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Hi everyone, about a month ago I made a post about having insider info for a soccer match and I asked the community what the best way was to take out a large loan. I had a lot of people advise me not to do so, so I took your advice and didn't take out a loan, instead I just placed the amount I already had in my account.


Anyway, the bet won easily so I couldn't help but feel like I should've taken out the loan... :(

I wanted to share a match on here in case anyone wants to follow along, I'm unable to place a large bet on this so I'm hoping someone else takes advantage. I hope this isn't against any community guidelines.


FINLAND
Ykkonen

11:30 AM ET

Jaro vs Ekenas

Asian Total
Over 3 @ 2.14

1st Half - Asian Total
Over 1 @ 1.65


match link: https://www.flashscore.com/match/vFo3COwn/#/match-summary
telegram: bigchancegoal

Well, I think that this time you were very lucky that it accompanied you, however, if you plan to make a loan for the same thing, all or the most responsible of us would say no, because just like this time you were lucky, maybe next time you won't. This gambling thing must be taken with great responsibility, the most important thing is that you make a sustainable plan where you have options to have profits, even if they are small, but they are profits, it is not the same to win a little bit than to lose, because losing is having less money, winning even if it is not much, is winning and represents an increase in money, anyway I congratulate you on your victory.

I think it would be dependent on how much you trust the word of your "tipster" or "insider man" that you have. It's going to be a risk to take a large loan just to gamble it. You might regret it in the long run and you might have to pay for nothing. Imagine that outcome, would you want that?

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Did you bet on the match that you have shared here?

I'd rather have regrets than being haunted what could have happened if your bet goes south especially if you don't have the capacity paying it off.

Also, you can gauge how much money you can bet based on the odds of winning; if you have a gut feeling (backed by research) that you're likely going to win, you can increase the wager, and or decrease it if not. I'm not sure if anyone do this method in gambling since I just learned it through trading, but you can do it instead of taking out a loan.

I'm going to recommend you the opposite: take loans to bet, and follow what the tipsters tell you, you'll get very rich very fast.

For many years I have seen people saying that they take loans to bet or invest, and they usually end up badly, very badly. Either they get it wrong the first time, and stay for years paying the loan for a stupid thing, or they get it right, become greedy and keep betting or investing more, until they lose, and the result is the same, paying for years.

If you think that these picks are solid and no way in hell that these would lose, go big on each of these events and take the W. You will only take loans if you think that it will hit 100%, but even then the terms of the loan would require you to do staggered payments on the entire loan for the loaner to get some profit off of you, so accept the fact that you'll still not be cleared of debt even if you win this event. Your next move would be to keep the other half of your winnings intended for repayment of the loan, and then you can get greedy from there.

You missed the opportunity, LOL.

But this one, I think you should not miss it as long as you believe that the fixed game information is accurate. Thanks for sharing here but I think I'm gonna pass, I trust my own instinct rather than the tip from a so-called expert or insider.

It seems like you have regrets that you followed the community's advice and didn't take a loan to play the so called fixed game. Maybe you can next time so you see if it works for you. However the danger in developing such an unhealthy habit and why majority of forum members adviced you against it is that starting to take loans for gambling  can lead to you becoming accustomed to that dangerous culture of taking loans. If you take the loan and place on the fixed bet, if it works once...You will always want to try it till the day it gets you into trouble. So the advice is so that you avoid creating the problems for yourself before it starts.

The community just wants to save you, imagine what if the tip is not true, your life will be miserable you have a loan that you have not used for profitable investment, you will work long hours just to pay your loan, and you will be miserable, the community just want to save you from that scenario, but the final decision is always on you you are the captain of your life if you can live on your decision then go for it, don't blame the community the final decision is always on you.

The advice was meant to save you the risk of losing. You risked what you had in your account and if it went negative you will not start sourcing for funds to offset your loan.

You got lucky this time. But if you feel extremely confident about this insider of yours why not take the loan place the bet then feed us with your next outcome maybe by then a handful might become as convinced as your are that this insider is a sure bet.

OP, the community will never advise or support you to take a loan to gamble because one of the rules in gambling is gambling with the amount you can afford to lose. When you take loans to gamble, the game may not turn out well for you, and to pay the first loan you may end up taking more loans and this may lead you to become not just an addicted gambler but also a debtor. But when you gamble with your money, you may not win but the pains and pressure will not be as much as someone who took a loan and has no means of paying it back. Remember the information you got about a particular game may fall you as most soccer tipsters use the past history of a particular club to predict the outcome of a current match.

I think OP have won again if he finally put a bet on the pick he shared. Based on the livescore, the total score was 6, so these bets below have won.


Not sure what happened to OP now, but if he won for sure he will keep following the tips and enjoy the easy wins.
However, it's true that the community will not suggest you to borrow money to gamble as it will double the risk.

As much as possible, never take a loan just because you have a source of guaranteed win on a sportsbook. You just only win once and you already feel like it is your ticket to become a millionaire. Test your source for atleast 10 times with your own money and come back here to tell us its result. You're just digging your own grave if you really feel that you should take a loan just to gamble it.

Exactly.In the forum there have been guys in the past,shady ones to say the least in my opinion who offered such news and info.I believe them to be lucky because they won like 6 or more of the so called games and people here,the naive ones started to believe them until they were all disappointed when they lost big in two consecutive "fixed" matches with insider information.

What I want to say is that anyone who has a sure information that a certain game is fixed he can go ahead and test that of course with only money that he has available and never take loans for such events.Honestly I don't believe such information is being shared online as one who has such info just bet himself and get the money completely in silence.

As I understood from the start message, this result was meant as "guaranteed"? How can this be proven? The odds are quite modest - in almost half of the cases, the better will guess such an outcome without any prompts. In addition, if the "prediction" turned out to be unsuccessful, then you can simply delete the thread and, given the small number of commenters, few people will see it. I'm not saying that the OP would have done that, but the possibility exists nonetheless.

well how i see it is either go big and be satisfied with your win or you lose the bet but learn a life lesson (go small).

Are you saying you have an insider information anytime there will be a match fixing? If you have an insider information and you have gone to take a loan to play on it, you remember it is also a risk to go for a loan for gamble. You don't bet with loan and it is advised to bet with what you have so don't when you lose you don't get into debt with other people and that will reduce depression.

Not necessarily for us, you are having a hockey day, maybe we will have bad luck.

About loans, it's your right, the community here can only suggest the best, based on their experience, if you believe that loans can make you happy in gambling, do it, not with us.

Don't understand what you want, misleading, hopefully the gambling addicts who are here, avoid contacting you on telegram, no profit, greater risk than imagined.

I think this bet was pure luck or analysis from someone. Why i think this? Because if the bet was to be over 3 goals it should have been played as over 2.5 goals not over 3 incase of over 3 the bet would be considered as a void so this is why im sceptical. But the bet won and you got your money,but be carefull in the future

or maybe the 3 line was chosen to get higher odds.

You might have regrets but profit is still profit and at least you have used your personal funds rather than taking loans. What if you haven't been lucky that day and have borrowed funds? You might feel more regretful about the result. Keep in mind that you will not always be lucky in gambling so taking loans will never be a wise idea. Save funds and allocate them to gambling so you will not face the consequence of borrowing in case you won't get too lucky.

You did a good thing by not taking the loan for gambling and I will tell you why. There are 2 outcomes that would have happened.

1. You would have lost the bet and hence you would have to pay back the loan with interest.
2. You would have won the bet and it would have boosted your confidence.
You would repeat the same thing again and keep taking loans for betting.
But then at one point you would lose a big bet which will cause you a big stake.
It would have caused a physical as well as mental damage to your health.

I could say that listening to the advice of the majority here in the forum is a hold idea. Don't feel bad if you haven't won bigger because you didn't borrow funds but at the least, you will not face the risk of borrowing. Gambling is risky and using borrowed money to gamble might cause you a bigger problem in the future so it's better to get rid of it.

I think that askin for a Loan just to follow your tipster it is a crazy things, because if you'll not win your bet, I think that you're going to be ruined. You will not able to have any other loan from banks and also you'll have

to pay every month an amount of that loan, so, avoid it, and spend only what you can afford to lose.

The problem is what would have happened if the people who told you about the fixed match were wrong ? You would have not only lost all that amount but you would have been in debt for a really long time which also means that, these things can turn ugly instantly as well, i do think that you realise that you were lucky as well ! Congratulations you made some money 💰 that's great, well some people might try and use the new stats you provided to make a bet but for me personally I won't since at the end of the day I believe " these things can / cannot work " why risk that much !

Ofcourse sharing is not against community guidelines, well best of luck for everyone who is gonna make the bet you should make sure to update as well !

We’ll, always remember that gambling is based more on luck than your own skills or strategies. If you were once lucky that time when you gamble, the next time you gamble will be quite different. So it’s still a good idea that you never take that loan because the result in gambling always comes unpredictable. Once you start to develop taking loans, let’s say you end up winning in your first gambling activity then don’t tell me that you’ll not take the loan again the next time you gamble? Sometimes you have to avoid taking loans to avoid that addiction unless it’s necessary.

Gambling is all about coincidence. Everytime one can't be lucky to make big wins. I find OP to be good enough in making right prediction about the matches. So, his suggestion could bring in big win. Going for a loan is always risky, however with fixed matches this is an easy choice of making big money. Here we can't believe, because none knows how a match is concluded as a fixed one.

Oh so it was you? I still remember that one thread you have created. Sorry because I was among those who advised you to not take the loan. You already have a positive feeling that time but you still manage to open up a thread and ask the community here for a second opinion. That it was a nice move somehow. What important here is that you still win something but if you lose, you will lose huge and you will have a hard time paying that big loan you took.

Now that you are confident with your abilities, why are you betting small this time? Encouraging others here to bet on the same match doesn't increase your profit if ever the result is a win but they'll be glad and maybe tip you some.

Loan based gambling is identical to asset trading with leverage.

It increases the dollar amount of both wins and losses, proportionately.

A gambler with a 49% win average. Can expect to be unprofitable. Whether they gamble on loan based leverage or without it.

With trading or gambling it all comes down to consistency.

While there is insider gambling it is not always accurate.

To @Op

I do not "question" your knowledge on the subject and the real possibility of being able to obtain inside information ... but I wonder why you ask for a loan from complete strangers while also revealing "confidential" information? wouldn't you get a better result by asking for a loan from friends in private or through a bank account?
Why are you taking such risk?

I do feel that you are just trying out to scatter or market out your TG link. :)

Kidding aside on which it is good that you havent taken a loan and listen out on community feedbacks and suggestions but its not really that good if you do keep on regretting just because you hadnt
able to get all in with that particular bet but still we know that profit is a profit and that what really counts.Just like on what been questioned above is that why would making out some
sharing of those insider info if those are legit?  you could just be quiet and bet out for yourself once again since you wont really be getting any benefit into this community.

What did you mean by that expression? That the community is wrong at their advice? That you blame the community as you should bring big profit?

Then what's your goal of still posting here?

If you really believed in the inside information you are getting at whatever source, then just follow what you like to do and don't engage the community asking for any advice or suggestions so you won't feel regret next time. Go take a loan and take the risks. No one will stop you.

Simple as that. :)

Next time OP, don't ask the people here about what to do. If you trust your fixed match information then go for it.

If you take a loan, it's not our problem anymore. I don't like the way you said that it seems if you only didn't listen to us, you should bag more of a profit.

And if I remember it right, the amount you are asking for a loan is somehow decent. I don't even think you will be qualified for that amount. :)

Funny OP. If only you didn't listen to us you should make big earnings lol. I don't really have trust even though I have information about the fixed matches. It's not what I will think as a priority but what if that information leads to loss? How will you pay the loan? Do you even have any Plan B?

Taking a loan is risky. Why add another risk in the case your bet loses? Next time, go ahead with your decision. I just hope you won't be wrecked. That's a big problem and I doubt you can find a solution in case of losing your bet that comes from a loan.

What if the other way around happened? Are you ready to face the problem? It's like you are blaming us for the good advice we did. It's also better if you share your actual bet here and not just post it in words to make it real. If you really have information on fixed matches, posting 5-10 actual bets here should not harm you and it might boost your audience here. :)

Care to share it starting from now?

And what's the sense of sharing your Telegram link here? To promote your service and ask for a subscription in the future? :)

At this moment, you might wish that you should have taken the loan and would have won a lot more money but at the moment when you thought to take the loan you were not 100% confident and sure that you will win the bet. It was a risk at that time and it was wise for you not to take the loan.

Think for a moment, that you had taken the loan, place the bet and lose the bet. Now you would be in trouble as you have to return the loan which you have already lost in the bet.

I am not sure what you are up to. You got the insider information and you did not have a lot of money to place the bet. But now you are saying that someone else take advantage of the bets. This means that you keep on getting such news on regular basis ?

You have also given you telegram address seems like you are looking for clients who need such bets information  ::)

I also thought that he advertises his telegram channel as he has many different topics with intriguing content. Now I doubt that the content of his topics is true and not fictional from beginning to end. If he wrote the truth, then judging by past earnings, he could pay for channel promotion without any problems and get an audience much faster and more efficiently than just adding the address of his telegram channel at the end of his next strange topic.

And the funny thing is, OP is not even trusting the inside information since if he is really sure about it, he will disregard all the advice that he needs to take the loan. OP is still afraid and doubtful that his inside information might not win.

There's still a hesitation on his part that's why it makes me think now that inside information is not even reliable right from the start.

Nice play, OP. :)

Probably hyping is own work, will never trust anyone saying that the match is fixed and having a loan for such bet it not good at all.
Fixed matches is a bad image in sports, hopefully the regulator will closely monitor those rumors because if its true most probably they will suffer as well and penalty should impose right away. To OP, if you don't trust the signal don't make any excuses anymore just skip that offer and do your own analysis.

You cannot blame anybody because you're the one who will make the final decision, but the rule is never to take a loan to gamble, what if you lose what if the tip is fake or if there was a change of plan, it's better to sell some of the things that you don't need than taking a loan, that way you just rid the things that you don't need and have money to gamble, there will be more tips coming what if you take a loan this time and end up that its a fake tip, we just ease up your burden so take the situation as is don't blame anyone or yourself.

And if OP won that bet with the use of the loan, he will continue to take loans after loans since he thinks it was effective from the beginning.

Not all inside tips are accurate. What if on that 95% probability to win, OP hits bad luck with the 5% chance of losing.

He will end up broke on how to pay that loan. That's a worst-case scenario.

First time he did not take the loan and regret on his decision. How about he may take a loan now and again and try his luck on the next insider information. How unfortunate it would be if that information proves to be wrong and he loses the bet.

My point is how he is so sure that the match results were already known to the insiders. How about the insiders just predicted the winner and luckily the winner was the same as predicted.

That's the common practice of those who want to sell their sports tip. They don't bet their money in real and will just predict who will win.

And if quite some time that they were able to produce good winning stats they will now show their portfolio to people and will be claimed that their winning percentage is high. They will spread their words on most platforms as much as possible.

Maybe OP was also relying on those kinds of tipsters that claimed to have inside tips on the fixed or rigged matches. If that's the real story, OP will surely be in trouble if he subscribed and follow that specific tip with the use of the loan and the result was lose.

The rule of the thumb has always been and will always be to gamble with money that you can afford to lose, never gamble money that you just loaned, its very risky and you will be in a very bad situation that you will regret later on, that bet is right but there's no guaranty that the next tips are going to be the same, even if it's fixed you never know what's going on inside they might change the whole plan or revert their decision to fix the game, always be on the safe side and enjoy your bet.

Who are the regulators by the way?

If you are referring to the management of a certain league then I think we will have a hard time achieving that goal as there are rumors that even the management is part of the big scam. I mean, these are just rumors, but what if it's true. Thing is, we haven't heard that there are plenty of people being punished for game fixing despite the fact that there are a lot of rumors in different sports.

If OP is sensible and reading these posts/tips, he will not take the loan for betting. He followed our advice previously too and did not take the loan so I think he will follow the same.
However, after seeing some winnings, he may become greedy and take a loan for the bets, then again it will be risky indeed. Who knows he might win again but I am emphasizing that nothing is 100% confirm here and there is a lot of risk in the process.

Hi everyone. Thanks for the responses! I didn't think anyone would respond so I haven't checked the forum in a little while.

Update: I did end up taking out a loan for the 2nd match and I won both bets, the match ended 3-3  :)


Question:

If you knew the result for a soccer match beforehand, how much would you risk on it and if you didn't have the funds, how would you maximize your risk in time before the match?

Here's another match for those interested. I will be going all in again! (what could go wrong!)  ;D

DENMARK
SUPERLIGA

10:00 AM ET

Brondby vs Nordsjaelland

Asian Total
Over 3.5 @ 2.75

1st Half - Asian Total
Over 1 @ 1.72


match link: https://www.flashscore.com/match/MoBAdeIS/#/odds-comparison/over-under/full-time
telegram: footy888

another day, another winner  :) does anybody know a sportsbook where I can place big bets? (50k+)
stake limited me  ???

You sure a lucky guy that you win the match that you did a risk by loaning. If I were ask for advise if I would recommend loaning to bet, My answer would be same as anybody here in this forum. just don't.

If the information of the match being fixed came from a reputable person or a person who put a large amount of money in the bet, I would probably put around 50% of my maximum bet budget. If my budget for that game is max $1k, I would probably put $1.5k in it since there's an information of a fixed match. I'm just trying to be safe about the amount that I will bet. If the information came from a very trusted person like the organizer or any insider that has done match making before. If I try to do it to maximum, I would probably go around 2-3x my budget. Though, Risk is still there.

I do not support gambling with loans. Because once you win gambling, you may not win next time. Then you have to take the responsibility of that money. And you have to repay that loan. How will you repay the loan if you lose the money you borrowed for gambling? This will then put you under mental pressure. So always try to avoid loan for gambling.

Sounds impossible but there are people who do really ending up with that kind of option or consideration just for them to make out some sports betting or even with online casino gaming which is totally absurd or dumb thing to be done by someone considering that you would be having high risk on losing those loaned amounts rather than on making it grow considering the risk involved in gambling then
it is really just not smart on doing such move because you are potentially putting yourself to have a miserable future in terms of finances because you are making yourself getting fall into debt pit.
I dont believe about fix matches information which do easily surfaced on or for someone to know.

You will really feel the regret because of the outcome if it's good. But if you've lost that bet, you'll think that you did a good job for choosing not to take a loan because you have lost the money.

But anyway, it's good that you've won that bet and don't regret any decision if it ain't your money. That's okay if you're thinking that you should have taken a loan because it's already done but in a situation like having a crucial one.

You just did it right of not borrowing.

Gambling will always be gambling, something that the house will always win. Well, you must be lucky in your first attempt but that won’t guarantee that the whole time you’ll gamble, you’ll eventually win. I guess it’s good enough that you never take a large loan, because if you do and you end up winning a huge amount, you’ll eventually take a loan again expecting that you’ll still be lucky. Taking loan is good if it’s necessary, but believe me it will never work in gambling, as you will only see yourself falling into gambling addiction in the end.

Taking a loan for betting on matches is extreme irresponsibility. If I were you, I would first build capital and test whether the information you receive will work in the long term. If everything is all right then you should be able to raise quite a lot of money in short time and only then, with the money you won, bet all in. Remember that if you fail to do something like this now, and the risk is always there, you will regret it for a very long time, and maybe even for the rest of your life.

It will only makes the worst thing for him. Having a loan that just for the him to gamble is not a good idea, many things will come up after this. He needs to learn that there's no guarantee that he will get back the money or it will return 100%  successful, his load will have an interest soon, I hope by reading this thread his plan will be change as early as possible, I hope he will learn that he should bet and gamble only the the money in his pocket or his extra money so that he will not regret it after.

However, because OP won the bet, it might give him more confidence to bet with the use of loan money. OP now thinks that the information he got is reliable and always close to winning especially if the said match is going to be a fixed or rigged match.

Aside from that, OP regrets that if only he takes out a loan, he is enjoying big profits right now. Because of what happened that he didn't take a loan but he won the bet, he won't likely want to slip away the next opportunity to bet on the fixed match with the use of loan money.

All I can say is good luck to OP and be ready for the big consequences in case of losing the bet.

That's your money, your rule, and the community's role is just to give advice.

YEs - most of the time people are stressed and they want advice but at the end they go with what they want even if they know they are on wrong track...
But of course - the owner has all the right to take care of their decision and how to deal with them. Good luck OP make a good decision

Why does someone have to gamble when the funds is not yours? or i mean coming from Loan when there is no complete or assurance even if this is a Fixed matches because the chance of losing is always there and this is why its called gambling.
and also those fixed matches does not comply with legit and fair gaming so better not to support those.

I think sometime we don't even know what is going on with us and we are just running after more and more money.
Taking loans and putting ourself in more trouble. However the loan at this has reached at 33% interest rate and is the highest in the history even then people do take loan and loose them in bets.

remember, some people really do gamble even if it is not their money. they are thinking that they can recover such money and win more. but even if we say, it's a fixed match, you can still never be sure what will happen during the game. be contented on what you have, don't aim for bigger takeout if you can't afford to. if it is not your money on the table, you won't be enjoying the game as your main target is to win and not to watch the game itself.

That's actually something that would push him with his future bets if he's got that confidence. But for me, I find that dangerous because that confidence could result into a negative result.

I'm not attracting any negativity but only speaking for the truth that it's not always what we feel that shall be the outcome of our bets. And it's really a bad thing to take out a loan for gambling.

Isn't it why we gamble especially on sport match as we already have a team we wanted to win and would like to bet on it to add more excitement and thrill. Also, lending money to loan on a probably sure win game isn't really a bad decision if the person will be able to repay it a later date but doesn't have a money at the moment. However, it is wrong and worst decision if you don't have any way of repayment and only trusting that you will win on it.

Loans for gambling is not good at all regardless if you can pay it or not, because eventually you will experience problems especially with your loans if you continue being like this. There can only be a sure win game if the top team is against the lower team but of course this is still gambling and anything can happen. If there’s a fixed match, and there’s a whistle blower better not to trust that much and bet only your extra money because again, you don’t know if that is reliable or not.

Aside from not being safe, that tip might be a trap and there’s a lot of incidents like this here in our local. The player are being caught asking for a money because he said the game is fixed, but the bettor gone mad as the result was different. Well, taking loans is not that bad if you use it for investments or with your business but for the purpose of gambling, I also don’t encourage this.

Never been that suggestable for you to take up some loan just for you to make it use for gambling because we know the risk of gambling of losing is high but if you are really that responsible on repaying

those amounts then go ahead but its not really that recommended because you would really be putting yourself into big trouble on the repayment days specially when you dont have some funds to use on.
Fixed matches information is something that you cant see in the public which it is really that doubtful when someone do make out some claims and asking small amounts for those information
which they do call for it to be some leakage but its not really that surprising or a bit common thats why people do commonly ignore.

You are right that it's alright to take a loan if that person has the capability to repay it later.

Based on OP's story looks like he's on the side of taking a loan and the repayment will come from the result of his bet. A risky thing to do as his hope will come from gambling. In the worst situation, if that bet is lost, how OP can repay the loan.

OP is just adding a problem over a problem. Not a good idea to take a loan in his situation where no other source of income is available.

It is very easy to borrow and so hard to pay off.
I have never met a single person in my life who has borrowed the money and paid off the way they borrowed the money. So the get practice is to stay away from borrowing and lending. Try to live within your means and you will be well..

I know people who take out loans for many weird things included gambling. Even though I believe loans can be useful for some situations it's definitely not appropriate to take out and use a loan for betting/gambling purposes.
First its killing whole your economic situation, if you are not able to win you need to do something different to payback loan. I think this completely kills fun nature of gambling and it can make you too addicted.

Those who freely do that are those who are salary earners. That's those working under the government, they believe that when they lose then they can repay the money from the salary that they earn but they don't know that lost money is not recoverable even if you replace it with salary earnings, you have succeeded to take yourself backward for the month. It is just not wise to take such risk but many people do it.

Most people in my locality gamble because of profit and not because of the fun side of it. It is also important to state that the job of an insider is illegal and should be discouraged because it is making the gambling company to loose money. Nevertheless,  I have never been a supporter of taking loan for any form of investment or other transactions. Repaying loans can cause a lot of challenges that can lead to health and family problems. Taking loan for a sports bet should be highly discouraged because a loss would be disastrous. In fact one can be ostracized, insulted and even beaten up by family members of such thing happens in my terrain.     

If the loan is taken for some good reason like for starting any business then it is good and it can be paod off. But for gambling or anything like that is pretty much awful decisions in my opinion.

People do this in greed, they think that one bet can change their whole life, so they should put all their money into that bet and some even take loans for this. Such people do not think even once, about what if they lose.

If the OP can verify the reliability of his insider information. Taking a loan will not gonna hurt much to boost his bets but not the point that loan an amount worth a forune and invest it on gambling. I agree to your opinion if we are talking about normal gambling here but the OP case is different because he is claiming that he has an insider information that will give him an advanced info on the outcome of the game which is really happening in sports on some countries.

Loan is a cure - if there is high interest rate. people are  down into this loan mud puddle and the gambling loss.
Kind of double loan. We avoid taking bank loans and we avoid gambling and alcohol and with out marriage sex - these are the trouble which can ruin your lives.

OP didn't take the loan to bet on the information he received. OP uses his money instead and won it but feels regret that he didn't take the loan. It means even OP is not sure how reliable the information is since if he is really sure about it, he won't consider following anyone's advice that doesn't take a loan.

OP is just taking chances and doesn't really have a legit way to find out if the source is valid or not. That will make things worst once he gets a loan and do a bet as there's no assurance that he will get the win on that source he is referring to.

Only he can answer how reliable those pieces of information that are coming to him, even in fixed games there are fake news or fake tips what if it turns out to be one of those fake tips, it's gambling, not business if he is taking a loan for a business he'll have his own business even if it collapses he can still sell his business and pay whatever amount is left but if he loses in gambling, all his money is wiped out and he will have to work to pay his loan, it's always a bad idea to take a loan to gamble.

Through this win the insider information seems to be legit. However we don't know whether it is an insider information or a prediction of OP which have won out of coincidence. OP have risked his money and have won good. Even if this bet have lost, this could've been a problem within him. If not, he used to answer each and everyone who paid getting a loan. So, it is something risky and people won't easily believe in it.

Is that how easy you believed that the inside information is legit because it was won? It's just a single bet. What if that match is just played as usual and the pick given to that game does make sense to happen? A total game rigged is where the result is not expected.

We should not care about OP's intention to have a loan since, in the first place, he just even feels regret for not taking a loan because the bet won.

If he has a mindset like that, we are just wasting our time here giving good advice to him.

It could not have been better said, I share your opinion, I think that making bets with money that is allowed to lose is the most responsible thing to do, however with borrowed money I would not be able to put it in a bet, perhaps what I would do would be to put it everything in Bitcoin and leave it there until the bitcoin rises in price and keep interest as low as possible, always paying so it doesn't accumulate, I think that would be the only way I would risk borrowed money, but making bets doesn't I would, because it is very likely that I would lose it, I would not play comfortably, I would be scared all the time and it is not good to play like that because obviously the emotions would do their job and not me.

Never borrow to gamble is the best rule.     Reason being that the rule saves you money in the majority of times, not that Im saying you are incorrect but think of all the possible outcomes and variables.   Get into a habit of taking risks and you will end up at one time or another losing that gamble even if you are the greatest and the leveraged nature means its a dangerous road to go down.


Setup a company to take the loan and losses or wins indirectly.  If the strategy is good then you pay yourself a dividend or wage from owning that company.  If the idea becomes a loss the company will go broke but you will not.  Also isolating the idea in a personal vs business way is highly recommended to stay level in your sound judgement.

I will also advise that you don't get a loan to gamble, the tip may be right this time but not all the time, and when you are gambling it should be money that you can afford to lose not coming from a loan if you got a loan and the tip turned out to be false, your life will be miserable gambling and loan is a bad combination, no company or person even if it's your close friend will lend you to gamble the risk is just too high.


You should not feel sorry or blame the community, you did the right thing, even if the tip is an insider tip, it can still change.

Taking a loan for a bet seems way too risky to me, but OP might have a different risk profile.

Gambling in general has a negative expected value in the long term, so it just doesn't make much sense to me to get a loan for it.

OP can of course get lucky and win with the extra money, which would multiply the earnings, but the flip side of that, which would be more probable, is to lose more than everything you have...

One of the the most important things to remember while gambling is to avoid ruin.

For me, I can never encourage anyone taking a loan to play fixed matches, because winning fixed matches is always a 50/50 luck.  I once bought a fixed match on Telegram and it was a total scam, but actually I don't know the authenticity of your fixed matches, but I will join the others by saying you should always try to play these kind of games with the available funds you have in your wallet. I just checked your previous threads,  and I can see you have actually made a lot of money from sportbetting, looking at the previous screenshot you shared on the forum. So please never allow greed make you take a decision you will someday regret

Finally Op chose not to take a loan to bet and this is good, in another post he is looking for a bookmaker who allows him to be able to bet big, the max bet is quite high, meaning he already has enough funds and is thinking of looking for a loan maybe to be able to bet on a fixed match with a value which is bigger because it is sure to win 100% and this can already be said to be greedy actually gamblers are very difficult to escape from greed although not always but sometimes it appears when they can't control themselves.
Many service from telegram channel is scam so you should becareful.

Its not the gambling itself is negative but every game has a cost.  Every product or service known has some cost or entry fee to participate.    Its not like he has to be wrong on the bet in isolated view but consider that when he takes out a loan there is an added certainty of higher costs.
   So we can say right from the start the odds of the bet are worse off and that done regularly that will stack up against OP success in his planned profit.   Its a trade off, be very careful you really love the bet odds vs the rewards as in effect the odds are harder to beat with a loan cost.  Its not often I'am 'certain' of outcomes personally.

Taking a loan for betting is the first red flag. Saying it was because he has insider's info of fixed match is a second red flag. No one sane enough to do all of that, taking loans to bet on a match from insider's info. OP, you need to make sure you aren't into the scam that usually lures gamblers with 'insider's info of fixed match' and are willing to give gamblers a loan.

And once you loose you don't find insider anywhere.
I have experienced that - when you are in trouble even your true friends are gone and at that moment you realize you are only your true friend. Don't be greedy and do not trust other.

Never ever tend nor expect that there's someone would gonna help you in times of those hardship or hardtimes because you are indeed the only one who could able to help yourself.
Basing up on real experience then i had really able to experience those things and i do heavily agree that taking a loan just for you to make bets or simply gambling is indeed a
red flag.Its not really worth for the risk because having some loan just for you to gamble is not a really good idea and also having those fixed matches information
is something that cant really be able to surface out that easily.

Fixed matches will never be made public. That is believing in fairy tales. Of course you get a 50-50% match that can go either way. And then when you see that bet and he wins, you think it's real. But the truth is you just got lucky. IS a matter of going wrong, because real fixed bets will never be shared with people on a forum, that's one thing for sure. You could only get some value bets but that's not that easy either. Can remember an example of Benfica from long ago, who had to play against a Covid team.

Heard about this scam as well and see that many are still getting into this kind of scheme. I don't really know if you can trust that guy about the insider's tip but for me,  getting the loan just because of that tip without any assurance are too risky, and in gambling we should not gamble if we don't have money at all, this can lead into a big debt trap and most probably if the result is not good, the loan might get defaulted and if you have that collateral, for sure the lender will get that.

I do think that you are lucky, considering that you won the sports event by purely basing it on an insider info. Remember, the bet that you are dealing on is so risky that if you were to take out a loan, there is no guarantee that you would win this amount of money even with the insider info.

In gambling, it is always better to be safe than sorry. Preventing a loss is so much better than actually paying for your loan in the event of a loss. Besides, almost all gamblers experience this "paranoia" that they should have betted more money in the process.

One advice which I would like to make is please dont take bank loan. Never in your life.
The installment eats you up like a termite and there is no end to it. Be very very careful

It won, but what would have happened if it didn't come through?  You would completely screw your entire life up over one bet.  Taking loans out to even invest is not the best advise, so of course people would guard against telling you to take that loan out.  Even if you think you know the outcome and what it might be, there's always the other side in which it doesn't happen.  Just be happy you won some money.

With greed, everyone can be blinded with money. So as much as we want to increase our bets and chances of winnings, we end up taking loans even if we know its not appropriate because if we get lucky, we could have huge amount in an instant. That is why even if the loan interest is mostly unbearable, but we always end up believing that taking risk through taking loans will always be worth it once we win the jackpot prize. But as expected, most of the gamblers end up losing more and then they get into troubles on how to pay the loan.

Aside from it being a headache to pay for that monthly loan, it's risky in the first place to get a loan without a strong financial source of income. Since all the loan money was busted in gambling, that will just give a much heavy toll on that person since the loan wasn't used for a good purpose.

And give me a break, since when a regular bettor will have access to fixed match information?

OP just may be a victim of those services claiming they have access to a fixed match. Since some of those bets win, OP thinks that they are legit and accurate which in the long run, the result will be worst and the company just let OP take the bait to subscribe to their service.

I am glad you won the bet, but taking out a loan to gamble was a bad life decision which could have taken a very bad turn. I hope your latest gambling win does not inspire you to take out more loans to gamble with. As far as betting goes, I only bet with money I can afford to lose without having to take out any borrowed money. In fact, I hate asking for loans. How did you even convince someone to loan you money to use for betting? Hopefully that was not mafia loans  ::) :P. That could have turned out really badly.

This is the point we try to explain OP, risks are there and it can cause very bad consequences if something goes wrong. Imagine taking a loan with a high-interest rate and not being able to pay at the requested time as you made an agreement during the application period, the interest will grow to the moon after a few months and the gambler will only pay an extra interest % without paying a single dime on the main amount. I would never go for this type of deal even if there is a 10% chance to win the Jackpot. Nothing worth ruining your weeks and mood.

When it comes to loan then first thing comes in mind is interest which means as a borrower then it would really be your responsibility on paying it back with interest in due time or specific date.
If you do make yourself get involved with gambling then it doesnt really give assurance for have a winning which you might be thinking on repaying those loans on using gambling activity profits
which is really a very wrong mindset to have.You cant really just having that kind of set-up because we know on how risky gambling is and you are putting yourself into a big trouble
if you do took a loan and repaying with gambling profits because you cant assure whether you would be losing or winning on those bets made.

That might be what happened now after that win. Since the information of the fixed match is correct, OP was being encouraged more to place a bet for that inside information, and probably after winning some consecutive bets, the loan will be the next one at risk. OP doesn't have a direct insider but it's just that it was just also passed to his source.

And since there's a hesitation on the part of OP, it makes me think that the information is not really a sure bet but just timing it was won.

It's the same on other tipster's services that will just predict a match without actually placing a bet nor will give any analysis then if able to get good winning stats and records, they will call themselves successful and will try to lure some subscribers to follow them with pay.

Well for me this always represents a risk, because even if they say that the game or the results are fixed in advance, it also represents a great risk, I would not be so confident in that, although this type of practice does not surprise me because obviously in everything it has always been fulfilled, besides this reminds me of the series called "Peaky Blinders" which they do this type of practices that was also done at that time, this is something that happens not only in sports games, I think in many They fix things and their business model increases greatly, as well as the large raffles that are held, which are very common.

There’s always a risk in gambling regardless if it was fixed or not because you can’t assure about the reliability of your source if it’s legit or not. Trust is the only thing you will hold on this kind of illegal gambling activities. I’m familiar with the Peaky Blinder match fixing on horses. It’s actually on old horse racing but I doubt this is still existing right now since regulators nowadays is much stricter compared before. That series is so good to watch.

Risk is also present even we expect that the games are fixed, there are influences that can affect the outcome of the game, might be possible that there are underground deals and changes will take place, but yes, game fixing are present everywhere and if it happen that you encounter people who are really serving as insiders they are the key factor that might give you the win that you are desiring to take.

It's all about the risk and if you trust the insider that much then you can gamble some money but I don't suggest to take any loan just to have a bet like this which is more risky than the ordinary games in gambling. Fixed matches are real, sometimes the coaching staff also planned for this especially if the game didn't affect their status.

Like in our current local league, the top team is already in the finals but still have 1 remaining game in the semis, guess what their aces player didn't play at all the second stringer played the match all through out and as expected, they lose on that match that can be consider as a fixed match but then again, it will depend on the situation and your risk tolerance.

You can still bet but it should be money from your saving but not all of it or by pawning some of your unused stuff but never take a loan even if a friend guaranty it, there's still such a thing as a last-minute change of plan I see that happen when they are exposed and your source does not know that there's a change of plan and its too late to change your bet, that's a disaster if that happens to you.

Yes, no matter how accurate OP signal will be, still I won't recommend him taking out a loan, whether it is for gambling or not loan can only be hard to pay in the next few months because the interest will increase, and also you will not know when will the accuracy of the signal will stop, if that happens OP will just buried in debt if he will go bankrupt after that.

I’m curious how you knew that the match would turn out a certain way first of all? Second off I’m curious if you felt any level of guilt apparently already knowing exactly how the event was going to turn out? I’m not myself I could actually bet on a fixed matched like this.

Getting a loan just for you to make bets or make some gambling activity is really just a suicide because there's no such thing about assurance and we know about gambling on being risky.
Also having those fixed match information is something that you cant really get easily or something that cant really surfaced easily unless if you are part of a mafia or does shell out
big money on someone who had been secretly arranging these things then it could be possible but we know that acquiring these info's arent something that you could get.
So dont easily believe that you would really able to get information and you cant be sure if those are real or not.

OP has included his telegram in the post. Why would any normal poster do that??

This seems like an elaborate attempt, to seem like someone who has access to "fixed" matches and will probably scam you of your money. Anyhow, betting on such matches will endanger your account and you will be at the risk of losing your initial deposit as well due to suspension.


He has posted another so called "fixed" result lmao
Definitely a scammer. Stay far awaaaay from this user else you will definitely lose your money  :)

Here it doesn't look like a scam. Even in the past he have mentioned of his big wins through the fixed match. If it is a scam approach he could've been flagged. He has posted proof of his bets in the past and what he have done is just a suggestion out of his analysis. Very few find it a way, because we ourselves can take the risk than spending with someone.

His choice of going for a loan is really a risky thing to consider for gambling.

thanks for the responses everyone, I am placing bets using my own funds now I just needed to win a few big bets first and both of the matches I posted won :)

While you're at it you could take out a loan to play Russian roulette, and if you don't die of a bullet, you come here to boast that taking out loans to play Russian roulette is a good way to stay alive and earn money.

The logic of your reasoning is overwhelming, I don't know how you didn't get an award for it.

So are you up and you started putting bets against your own money then?  Much less stressful playing with your own money then gaming away a loaned amount of money right?  Hope you do well, cheers!

yes that was my plan, I just needed to win a few big bets first and now I am using only my funds!  :)

I believe winning in gambling is an uncertain thing. I am never in favor of taking loans for such gambling. Because it may be a fixed match but if there is an anomaly then you have to face a big loss. So borrowing should never be done in such activities. You should gamble what you are able to loss.

I agree, nobody should follow my actions. Hopefully I do not have to do it again.

Much lesser stress as you don't need to think about how to pay your loan plus the interest, using your own money will let you focus, though the worst thing is the chance of being careless might affect your betting strategy. But again, it's gambling and even you are expecting that you are placing your money on a high edge team/player. Something might happen along the way and your pick might lose.

and I own a billion dollars.

Sorry but I am not that gullible.  It's very easy to fake a bet, want to see my 10 billion dollar winner on Phillies? lol

If there's a way(as you say it), then he would be grinding it instead of faking it here and trying to lure people :)

His questions about loan is an act, where he pretends that he has a genuine "doubt" whilst passively providing the information that he may have access to "fixed matches" and even providing his contact details in the OP(when there was no need for it) LMAO
This IS a scam. And whoever supports this guy is probably his alt or in cahoots or plain stupid.

That's better. Regardless if you're winning or lossing as long as you're betting with your own money and not the loaned one, you're perfectly fine and free from stress and depressions.
Though, someone reliable told you about fixed matches, but still there is no assurance that the game is indeed being fixed. If it turns out that they got your trust, you'll probably going to get a huge loan and put it all in one bet. From there, you should be able to imagine how it would turn out when you lose?

You would only get stressed when you do lose your money but its normal rather than on having from both stress which is losing your money and you would need to pay up some loan with those losses which is totally
a disaster if you do have this kind of consideration on handling up things because its never been ideal on taking up some loan just for gambling purposes and it would be more worth if you do make
some considerations like these but if it would be solely be spend for gambling then you are just creating some real big problems ahead on the time  that you would need to repay those amounts.
Dont take loan for gambling purposes.Period.

Either he had a tip from someone and believed it to be true, even though such tips are usually made up, because the tipster has nothing to lose and all to win, or he's lying to us and there was no fixed match in the first place.

I would bet on it if I knew the info comes from a real insider, but such tips are extremely rare and reserved for people who bet big money, gangsters and politicians. You can't get your hands on a real tip, unless it's like the lowest league of pro football or something. These guys fix matches on a daily basis.

A person doing this can be addicted into gambling that he didn't thought of the risks if he losses the money he will borrow. Getting a loan just to gamble puts your life at risk not just physically but also mentally because you will definitely experience depression if you lose those money. Recovering from those situation could really be difficult if no one would be willing to help you especially your family to overcome those struggle.

This usually happens in low leagues specifically .
It’s obvious from the post that OP had already the info about the fixed match for which he placed the bet so smoothly.
If the bookies know about this earlier, then definitely they gonna cancel the betting on that particular event.
Nevertheless what’s passed cannot be changed, so yes OP congratulations on making easy money.
I am also glad that you didn’t take any loan in order to gamble and risk other’s money.
Thanks for listening to community’s suggestions.

This is also one of the reasons, many people out there are struggling with economic problems and often this makes them think about how to get money quickly, one of which is by gambling, especially when the person is so sure of winning, that borrowing money to gamble is no longer a problem for him.

What comes to my mind when I see someone borrowing money just to play gambling is how he will repay the loan, especially if he has no other income and only depends on winning at the gambling table. It must have been very difficult for him because, after all, he had to win to repay the borrowed money, while he also knew that to win at gambling would never be easy. This is what he will face if he keeps borrowing money. Even though he has income that can be used as collateral to return the money, it will still not be easy because when he borrows, there is a possibility that he will deposit other money to recover his losses.

indeed and that is why I prevent looking for gambling when I am broke because the more eager I play is the more chance to lose my Money .
and also Loaning just to gamble is a No No to me ., because the assurance of winning is very tin and the chances of losing is completely there.
I rather stay away of gambling when there is no money than borrow at all.

If we are talking about Fixed matches then we are also Dealing with Multi risking event here? because you are risking because of gambling , then risking because of borrowed money and the main part is risking because of the fixed match that mostly a scam attempt for a Noob or greedy gamblers?

i am not sure  if playing with this is safer than Fire but using a borrowed money will double if not  triple your chance of being a loser.

So gamble only with your own money and if necessary is that those funds must be your excess money.

What do you mean not sure if playing with this is safer than fire?
Man, there's nothing safe there in the first place. Taking out a loan to gamble is another of level of risk than just plainly gambling with your own money. How much more If you're taking out a loan to gamble to a said fixed match which sounds very shady for exposing it publicly.
There's not a chance of triple of being a loser here to be honest, coz the first time you took the loan intended to place a bet to the said fixed match, means you're already a loser. 

man do you understand what I am saying?  if not then do not quote me for that reason ,  i clearly said that this will multiply the chance of losing and who told you completely that there is a losing to come? there are several claims that they bet and won in Fixed matching and we also have learn that there  are some rigging happening in sports occasion so I believe that we should take some look also in how a gambling world works now , there are instance that betting had been organized with criminal because we are talking about money here and we knew how this will come to reality most of the time.

Gambling itself is already risky, so if you take a loan for gambling, that will add more risks to it. Good thing if the result will always end up positive, but if you’re not lucky and so you lose everything you bet, I guess that will eventually cause you a lot of troubles. That is why it’s never advisable to take a loan no matter how good you are in predicting, because the result is uncontrolled and it’s the house that always wins, and you can’t beat that fact. However, if you are lucky enough and you were able to hit the jackpot, I think the amount you win would still not compensate on how many years you’ve been losing huge amount in gambling.

Believing yourself that you could really get fixed matches information is something that you cant really able to obtain unless if you are part of some mafia or big organizations then you would really able to acquire these
things but speaking about on an ordinary day and you do able to see some claiming that these are fixed matches information then better not to believe those things and its true that whenever you  do make use of
your own money and losses then you would really make things even more worst if you do consider on taking up some loan and pushing on the same intent.

And OP isn't really sure honestly if that information is legit. If he is really sure, then he should just go ahead and ignore our advice.

It's already clear that the information was just passed by other sources from other sources and so on. OP is not a part of a big group or organization that is involved in the fixed match but rather maybe he was lured to a service of the fixed match which is a paid service.

I hope OP will not always take the bait and be responsible for his future decision.

Yes, as I said before, this type of games arranged like this reminds me of that Peaky Blinders series where they arrange the bets and decide which horse will win, however, I think I also have the same thought, even if it is a rigged bet and that is fully verified with information that will not fail, it is better to take certain precautions, not to risk everything, because the order of events can change only with the smallest detail and it is a lot of money that can be risked, we have to have that minimum of enough responsibility to have control of what could happen in case it doesn't work out, in the case of the player he was very lucky, but personally I wouldn't do something like that.

And you also didn't think the other way round?
What if you had taken the loan and the bet end up nothing winning? Would you have posted a sad face here?

We all should avoid ever taking a loan for risky ventures like betting where there is no guarantees,  it is better to lose your money,  you know how to cope with the lose and you have no body adding to your frustration,  but when you lose some one elses money,  you worry about the lose and also worry about how to pay the persons money back.

Mostly this do came from paid services which same as you do said but we know that these informations arent really that sure if its a fixed match information a legit one or just simply a speculation
and those services will really be trying out to claim that it was real when it do really end up on a win which we cant really even assure if its real or not on the first place thats why you should really
be careful on dealing with these type of groups who do claim having those fixed matches information and the most dangerous thing to be done is to take up some loan
for you to make out some bets which it isnt always been recommendable to do so.

In his last post, he said that;


That makes it clear that he has the result and he understands that the risk isn't really worth taking if this plan is being carried out by the others.

It isn't worth taking loans for this reason and if the loaner knows the reason before they hand out the money, they'll not approve anyone on having this reason, to gamble.

let him be because it is His decision and this is His money to spare , loan or not? it is His part and his obligation in the future .

But I am not respecting a loan for a gambling that is what my decision is.

yups, risking for loan and risking for fixed matching ? this is a total discouragement to mean and gamble.

I am glad that you won your bets and that you only used your own money in our to do so instead of taking a loan, however in the OP you express that you think that maybe you should have taken that loan, but you need to understand that there are things that regardless of the outcome should not be done, and taking a loan to gamble with that money is one of those things, it is simply a bad idea to make a bet with money that is not yours, it doesn't matter if you think that it is a sure thing, this is something that must never be done.

I will appreciate if you subsequently drops games maybe i will love to try out but i won't go for loan to place a bet. You can initiate it every weekend lets see those lucky winners, next do not go take any loan because this is a game of probability you might win or lose and the probability of you winning is 1 and probability of you losing is 0 and i think you knows what means to your health coupled with taking a loan it might be disastrous to wellbeing which would probably affects your mental faculty. Always learn to bet with the little amount you have and don't apply Greed and much interest.

This is what we can do for him. Let him make his own decisions because we have given him the best advice by not taking borrowed money if the borrowed money is only for gambling. He will suffer the consequences later if he ends up taking the loan; if he loses, he will also have to settle it. Taking a loan to play gambling is risky because there is no guarantee that we will win and can return the loan using the winning money.

Lucky that he's not a type of addicted gambler who still have a good control inside him, unlike with addicted gambling, where most of the time instinct and aggressions are the factors that pushed them to do things that shouldn't be done while in gambling. Taking loans is a big risk not because you into gambling but more on the side that if you lose your bet the loan money needs to be paid, it will be a pain in your butt finding ways to pay the bills realizing that everything just went to one mistake that will continue to chase you while paying the loan amount.

It's good that afterwards, he realized that it's not good and things like this should not be backup or be followed. Always use spare money when gambling, an amount that you can easily let go.

Making bets with those loan or borrowed amounts is considered suicide even putting up on investment is already risky,How much more if you do make out betting or gamble out with those funds?
Gamble with your extra funds or which is only allocated for the sake of leisure things and never ever consider on taking up some loan because you would eventually lose it all in the end.
Im aint saying that you cant make winnings with sports betting but it wont really be giving out any guarantees that you would really succeed on this one.So its better
gamble on the amount that you can afford as always which is always been the primary rule when it comes to fund management.

Yes there's no guarantee nor assurance in gambling, better not to take a risk with this. Yes there will be a chance that he will earn by using that loan but the thing what if a sudden change may come? having a loan is such a pain, many people love to take loans just for them to use in other things that aren't necessary or using it to gamble and getting in a big trouble because they can't afford to pay the loan. Better not to play for awhile, rather than taking loans.

Using borrowed money for gambling is highly discouraged even though he has measured high chances of winning from gambling bets, but things can change so that he can lose the borrowed money that has been used on gambling and he will be required to pay it on the agreed date, if the borrower finds out borrowed money used in gambling would be much worse and he would never lend again ever.

Yeah I think it is better to trust your own instinct and follow your mind, I see.it as a highly irresponsible act to get a loan to ace a bet. This act have made so many gamblers to go bankrupt in the past and if I will advise ops he should never take alon for such a high-risk gamble as there is nothing like fixed matches and he was just lucky to have won this time but he may not be that lucky to win next time. That is how the scam works.

I had a similar experience some time ago where a member on social media contacted me with his acclaimed fixed match games and he even went as far as asking me to pay half as upfront and when the game won I balance him, but I was curious and I decided to follow my mind not to get involved in the such risky act so I blank the user to avoid scam am not saying the user is scam but again the possibility of that is kind of high.

Even though OP now decides to use his money instead and not take a loan, it doesn't change the fact that OP is still relying on those fixed match information.

Since OP also records a winning, it will create a thing in his mind that the fixed match information is legit, real, and accurate. After a series of more winnings, he might again think of getting a loan to increase his bets as he will surely regret that if only his bet is large, he might be able to earn more.

I hope not.

It is a bizarre action on the part of ops, and from the look of things he is relying on those fixed games now since his first attempt the matches were won, but if he will ever read comments on thos threads he should know better now from the advises posted here that it is a.bad idea to take loan for betting on fixed games as he said because to me there is nothingg like fixed games and he should be careful because the effect of his action may lead him into financial problems in the future.

That's correct, OP will continue to rely on fixed game information for his betting.

If ever he will establish consecutive wins, there's a chance he might think of now pushing for the loan. I hope he will stick to his previous statement here on not getting a loan and will use instead his own money.

OP needs to just take things easy. There should be no rushing things in order to get a profit.

And this is where you do end up on;

1. Losing your assets
2. Losing your wife
3. Losing your loved ones
4. Losing everything

If you arent that good on controlling your gambling addiction plus taking up some loan
then you would really be ending up on miserable life.

Sometimes, we have to take risk in order to have high rewards. However, this is applicable if only the money we are going to risk is really ours. At the very least we have to be responsible of the money that isn't really ours to begin with. In my principle, I wouldn't gamble the money I don't initially own. This is because of the risks gambling possess.

Afterall, not everyday is a good day in gambling. There would be times that you will lose unexpectedly. Maybe that time that you risked, the odds were just on your favor. But how about if the circumstance that happened was the other way around? How would you bounce back? You should think of the repercussions before deciding so that you won't be in the losing end.

That's right because there is no guarantee for us to be able to win in the gambling, making it difficult for us to return the money.
It will be more difficult for the borrower of money when he has no money at all, no income, and only wants to borrow money to play gambling.
I've met someone like this but luckily, he quickly realized his mistake and didn't repeat it.
But there are also these types of people in some places who don't seem to care that what they're doing is wrong and they've lost things in their house just to borrow money.

And this is not the only risk, once you take a loan to gamble even if you happen to win this will in a way make such behavior normal in your mind, so the next time you find yourself in the same position then you will be more inclined to take the loan, and as long as you repeat this behavior then you will eventually get unlucky and find yourself in the difficult position of not having any money plus owing a loan, which could lead such person to look for yet another loan to try to dig themselves out of this difficult situation.

I can agree to that, and one mistake will lead him to suffer more. That chance of thinking that the foxed information is for real can force him to push forward and take that loan. Wishing him not as well, but it's instinct and most of the time, wrong decision making has been done when you are already engaged in gambling. A human failure that cause by greed and desire to win a lot.

A matter of how he can manage handling his lust in terms of his gambling appetite. We can't speak for him though it' s only him who can agree or denied the opinions about it.

It is good if op skip his decision taking loan for gamble . coz gambling is high risky and it will more risk if someone gamble with borrowed money. I like gambling very little and dislike it even more when someone gambles on loan . Because it can completely destroy a person. i Appreciate it if op cancel his decision about gambling with borrowing money

The fixed match information is going to end badly.  False confidence and a bet placed with too high an amount for a result that one day doesnt deliver leading OP to lose possibly all his gains.   Fixed matches have to be considered just as high risk and borrowing with money not yours.   I cant see this ending well overall, take money off the table so you dont end up with nothing.   Dont be greedy, simple advice hard to take I guess

Given that the OP wanted to bet on borrowed money, this is complete madness. Firstly, I don't believe that his information about fixed games was real. Secondly, even if the game is really fixed, this does not guarantee the desired result. For example, if a tennis player who is the favorite wants to lose a set or the whole game to a weaker opponent, he is faced with the fact that his opponent gets injured and loses the game. What can he do in this situation? Nothing. Thus, even a bet on a fixed game can be lost.

He already learn about it, as you can see on his last post where he said he wouldn't do it anymore. I think the way how he really think a skill based games are actually can make money isn't really bad, but if he's using borrowed money, then it's really a bad idea.

I think if he really have a good analysis to know the possible outcome of the match, he can just using his money even though with small amount, as long as he keep winning, he can increase hit bets.

OP is not relying on his own analysis.

If you missed the part, OP is relying on fixed match information where he didn't know actually if that even came from a legit source. That's the reason why OP wants to consider taking a loan as those bets he already did are all WIN.

It's good that taking a loan is not considered for the meantime and I hope it won't change in case OP will hit several winning bets.

I think it's still a good thing that he didn't take a loan for betting on unverified information that he heard of. Because if ever the information turned out wrong, he would definitely lose all the money he borrowed for in a snap. It's just fortunate that the odds were in his favor before. But if ever something similar happens again, who would have know if the same scenario will happen again, right?

I also do hope that OP won't be dragged down in betting continuously without risk assessment. Because no matter how big the winning prize would be, just one wrong decision could cost him so much. Bet small, win small. Bet big, lose big amount too.

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How about sharing how much have you've got from betting in fixed matches? though i am not a fan yet i love hearing that this is truly profitable and not just a wrong place for regular gambler.

he had explained this several times and look he is sharing some telegram group that shows about the place and team to bet on.

hey, it's not a group it's my username because I can only share so much information on the forum, if you look at my previous posts you'll get a better understanding of my betting amounts etc  :)

I also agree that because the first condition to start gambling is that you invest as much as you can afford to lose. There is high provability to loose all the fund. And there is no question of gambling on loans. Gambling should take as entertainment purpose not that way. I think If he can really avoid gambling by taking debt then I think he saved his life from ruin.

We might add that many people will not think about how they will pay back the borrowed money; even when they win, they don't return the money immediately and instead use it to gamble again. Borrowing money to gamble is a mistake they must realize before it's too late because, in the end, if a loss comes to us while we are not prepared for it, we can be stressed and frustrated. And if it is so, we can use any means to have more money to gamble and even use illegal ways to have money.

Its really a big mistake and people should really be that mindful whenever they do have some loans specially on paying it back so that they wont really be end up on a big debt or much deeper problems later on.

Taking out some loan just for you to gamble is really a big risk thing to take on someone specially if you dont have any others sources or way for you to repay back those loans or debts.

Fixed matches information arent real most of the time or cases because these information cant really surface out easily or legitimately thats why dont ever believe that there are ones
who do claim out.

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I have a suggestion.

Please include all those bets that came from your trusted source regardless if it's a fixed game or not in a single post.
Make a compilation of it on the first page and try to make it organized.

Of course, bets should be posted before the match and not after. And it's also better if you will place an actual bet for those and not just post picks.

Yes, it will cause problems if they take loans just to play gambling. But some people take loans, say to the bank, they use the loan money for urgent needs, but they will not use all of it, while they will use the rest for other things. From here, they will see that there is free money and end up using some money to gamble.

So taking out a loan might be risky but if they believe in what they are doing and can pay back the loan, I think they can move on. But as much as possible, avoid borrowing money before we realize the risks, especially if it's for gambling.

- In my opinion, you did the right thing to follow the advice of others not to take out a loan just to get a large amount, and because you
  followed that advice for you, it is a big regret because if you would not listen to the advice to you and you made money, I hope you won
  more. It seems like that's what you said before according to my understanding of your story.

  Then now you're looking for other bettors who will bet bigger so you can get a bigger win, that's what you want to happen, but do you know
  that it's just a game of luck and you just realized that you won that time. So the risk of you thinking that is quite high even with a gambler
  that you are looking for in that matter as well.

Actually gamblers can say anything they want to the bank to justify a loan, but the bank doesn't care their reasons at all. The only thing what matters for the bank is if the borrower has a collateral, so they can go after him in case the loan isn't paid back. Gamblers need to learn bank wins on long run, exactly like casinos also win on long run. That is an immutable and essential gambling rule. Everyone who ignores this fact ends very badly.

To borrow money to bet is one of the most stupid ideas someone can put in practice, because the effect achieved is exactly the opposite of the effect desired.

I second this your particular idea. To make it more convincing he should include his play ticket also. Although, no matter how legit and authentic the source or insider might be, I won't support the idea of taking a loan to bet. I will personally maximize my stake with some of my savings depending on how I feel about the game but definitely not taking loan.

Yeah, taking a loan and then losing puts you deep into negative territory, whereas losing your savings at least keeps you positive, so it's not that bad when all is considered.

I wouldn't be comfortable betting with a loan.

Gamble just for fun and dont ever intend to have that kind of mindset that you could really make yourself rich with gambling and since you dont have that kind of capital
then this is the time you would be considering on taking up a loan and make use of it and believe that you could really be able to pull off some wins which is really totally wrong.
Its true that its none of our business if ever we do make out decisions on taking up some loan for some purposes which is totally right but it is really just cant able to avoid
not to make out some words or to say up against it specially if we are aware on where those funds would be gonna used.

One of the issues with problem gamblers is that part of the fun is the idea that they will become rich by gambling, that's the whole point.

And the thing is that some people actually have become rich by gambling, like Australian professional gambler David Walsh.

But even he has said that it's all just luck and feels a bit bad about the whole thing, so he created the Museum of Old and New Art (MONA) with the profits of his gambling.

It is very important to remember that this is an unbreakable rule, for example I have read cases of very talented poker players that made a lot of money during their professional careers but they were not very good when it came to managing their money and as such many times they found out themselves in economic difficulties and they borrowed money from the banks in order to gamble, and even if they were good at some point things did not went according to plan and their economic situation got even worse.

Banks as lenders will be careful if anyone borrows because they will get interest income on the loan so they continue to provide attractive offers to people who need money. If the borrower reasons to delay the payment, the bank will easily confiscate the collateral until the person can pay the loan money. This is the difficulty that must be faced by money borrowers who want to borrow money from the bank because if they have no income, they must have money to return and they also have to make ends meet. This is why it is highly discouraged for people who want to borrow money from the bank not to do so because returning the money can be difficult for them.

Yes, I agree with those of you who make gambling a tool for fun so that it will not give us trouble later. And when we want to borrow money, we better use it for useful things and never use the money for gambling. Of course, we want to do something with the money and if we think more about our existing business and want to develop it with the borrowed money, I believe our business can grow even more. And even though we gamble, we don't use the money because we are more concerned with other important things.

Damn right! Even how good you are but if you don't know how to manage your finances, you'll always see yourself ending up broken when you are involve into gambling, most of the time the person who earn a huge amount of money while playing will spend the amount as if it's an unlimited and they can keep winning more.

Using the money in every luxurious way of lifestyle, not realizing that with just one mistake, they will end up doing more.

Loaning/borrowing money will be an added problem if you have that same system inside. You will suffer from heavy debts as you miss-manage your finances.

I have read about people that were once rich before but they were no more rich later, some can be linked to gambling, because some people had a luck day or time and won big, instead to divert the money won to business, they use it to gamble and expecting more return, it later lead to borrowing in bank and the opportunity later turned to brokenness.

This is the reason I have not preferred to leand money from bank, also other places like online lenders, they have high interest rate and the longer the time the money is not paid, the more the interest. It is highly unwise to borrow money from bank to gamble.

That it looks like someone is trying to fool us. I know that some people, gamblers are not being that bulgar to show that they are profiting in that strategy. I have no clue but something it was trying to put bait on greedy people and become a victim of their greediness. I couldn't assume or maybe I was wrong but just like what you are thinking now, OP is trying to trick us and pretending that he is okay and earning from betting fixed matches and acted of having an insider to give OP a huge chance to win.

That is if they will gamble without any experience and will only try their luck for the last time but for the op, he seems very confident to win the game because he got an insider info. He can try to take a loan and see if he can double or triple the money in an instant. He just want to make sure that he will pay the loan that he take immediately before he spend the money again in gambling because his luck may not be the same as last time.

For those who loan and use the money on other things and not in gambling, I think that's more better because they will surely see what they spent not unlike to gambling where there's no guarantees.

OP seemed even regretful because he has not placed a large bet on the first game since the game won easily. So most likely, he will eventually take a loan in the next games and place a large bet hoping that these games will favor his side and give him big profits. I just hope his decisions will never put him into frustration and depression later on as he still want to follow those fixed match information even though the real fact is no one can rightly predict the gambling outcome.

You would really be that confident once you do hear off or getting some fixed matches information and you do really convinced yourself that those informations were real and legit but totally not really an assured

thing which i have said that gaining or getting these information isnt really something that would surfaced out easily.If you do believe on that way and make some all-in type of bet then you are really that risking

your entire life with that in terms of finances.If you do win then that would be a huge profit but if you do lose then you would really lose everything.Taking up some loan for the benefit on having something to bet
on is really just suicide or dumb decision to be done by someone.

If it's just a small amount of savings, just don't go that far if you happen to use it. But honestly, it's better than taking a loan but for me, if ever I'm into this situation. What I'll do is only spare money and that is where I should start and take it or leave it depending on the outcome.
So, there's no hard feelings on that if I lose, that's totally fine and if I win then I'll grow it then until I get back that spare money that I've used but using a loan, never.

I also try not to borrow money from the bank. I once got an offer from the bank by paying a small interest for a long time but after I recalculated, I found that the refund amount was bigger than the amount I borrowed. That's why I don't like to borrow money from the bank because the bank will get a very large profit from that interest.

But the risk will still be there, whether he can win the match or he loses later. And I think he can get a loan easily, but he must be able to make sure that he can return the loan no matter what results in he gets later. Many of those people did not think about how they could repay the loan money. But they should think again if they want to use the borrowed money to play gambling because they will have a greater risk of losing.

Loaning from the banks will really cost you so much because they have high interest rate. Most of the time, the money they lend you will even be lower than the interest you are going to pay especially if you plan to play with long duration.

Regarding loaning just for the sake of gambling, it's really risky. Because despite having a tip of a fixed match, there's still a possibility that you'll lose if the tip turns out false. And if that happens, you'll lose the money you borrowed instantly. If ever someone plans to borrow money to bet, they must ensure that they can pay the amount regardless of the outcome of the bet. Otherwise they might face so many troubles later on.