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Title: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 07:43:45 AM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Reid on October 24, 2022, 07:58:15 AM
I think he will win it. The fact that the company is offering him money means there is legitimacy in his claim, there must be proofs of his win that's why he won't budge at the offers given to him. Now, the gambling company will have more problems after he wins this case.
Reputation is first. Instead of just paying the man, they took the risk of going this far so now their business will be in danger too.

I have not experienced this yet and I wish to never do.
Why do they do it? Well, when it's about the money anything can be done. But sadly, in this case, they are not looking at long term profits.




Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: NeuroticFish on October 24, 2022, 08:02:06 AM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

It's not that uncommon that (especially in "low rank" countries) national lottery or other lottery companies do rigged games. Meaning that the winners are usually not so random, instead they're linked to certain businessmen or parties.
I would not be surprised it's also the case here. There was indeed a technical error: it was not their man the one winning.


Whether he can win or not this, it's hard to tell. They afford to do this kind of shenanigans exactly because they expect the law enforcement be weak and take the side of the money, not the side of the truth (which may or may not be true).
It's now up to this guy get good proof and it's up to the judge prove the law works in your country. Best of luck (and I mean it)!


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Coyster on October 24, 2022, 08:02:42 AM
The guy can win the case if the judicial system in his location is transparent and not biased, thus if the guy has ample evidence to nail the gambling company for fraud and conspiracy to steal, then he definitely will be victorious.
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
I haven't experienced that before, i am usually picky on the platforms i play on anyway, i ensure they have a track record of paying winners and no record of unpaid wins, except in cases that the player cheated to get an unfair advantage.
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Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
The gambling company might prolly be a scam. OR they are a small company that is still growing and thus can't cover that huge win, but that is definitely not an excuse, before getting into this business, they ought to have sufficient funds to cover their maximum winnings, thus any player who wins either the exact maximum or anything under it ought to be paid.
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What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
As players, just ensure you are playing on reputable gambling platforms. Having said that, every country has their own body that checks gambling companies, so they can on their own part work harder to penalize gambling companies that are found guilty of fraud and ensure they pay whatever is owed.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Frankolala on October 24, 2022, 08:37:02 AM
The man will win the case if the judge in charge of his case is not corrupt and he also have his evidence or slip to show his winning, but if the judge is corrupt,then sorry he is only going to waste his money and time going to court. I guess the casino is a small one and might not be able to afford such amount of money because from the story he was offered almost the same amount twice at different time and reason, which means they might not even have up to $50000 to give to him,or they are scam.

I know of a gambling platform that when you win very bid like this,if they can't pay you because they are looking at just giving you alone this huge sum of money that can take care of so many persons winning, the casino might get broke so instead of depriving you of your money,in order to keep good reputation of the casino,they will give you a share in the casino by opening a branch for you to operate for them instead of you still playing, you will not be allowed by the casino to play their games. I haven't experience such before but I have heard of such



Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Bananington on October 24, 2022, 08:53:15 AM
Can this guy win the case?
If he has kept proof that he played with the amount you mentioned and proof that he won that amount mentioned as well, but the gambling platform is refusing to pay, he has a really good chance of winning the case if the justice system doesn't get corrupted. Hiding behind an excuse like a technical error is flimsy, would someone who didn't win from a gambling website or casino have the boldness to demand money saying that they won? I doubt. The excuse of a technical error is not sufficient, except they would look for something to pin their refusal to remit wining to.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Oshosondy on October 24, 2022, 08:54:40 AM
Please can you include the link for the authenticity of this information. I will also like to read the news in full.

I like what the guy did, the gambling site would be in panic by now, but as they do not have option, maybe they can go bankrupt if all the money is paid, or maybe the gambling site is not having up to that amount of money, not to talk if paying him.

Can this guy win the case?
I will say yes. Only want can happen is to convince him to accept low amount, which is what the gambling site is doing.

What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
That is life, nothing can stop this. Only what can help is for the person to be able to be in suit with the scammer (the gambling site).


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: swogerino on October 24, 2022, 09:05:34 AM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

If the gambling company where he played has any license and is operating from this license in this guy jurisdiction he is going to win at a 100% rate and that is why I strongly agree with him that he did not accept the sum of money offered from the company.The company maybe is saying let's try to give this guy one fifth of the money he won and let's hope he will be happy with that which he normally was not.Now that the case is in high courts it is extremely likely that he is going to win the case and ask for more money than he originally won because of the behavior of the company.

Below my answers to last three questions.
I have always been paid every time I have won but not those huge amounts as I never won more than 3000.
They take any huge amount of bets because company like this one thinks most of them will lose so why not enrich ourselves and do not think of consequences like this.
Put to jail the owners of such companies,this would surely curb the cheating.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Maestro75 on October 24, 2022, 09:10:05 AM

I do not know if your story is the same I heard making the rounds in a state in Nigeria and why the governor Charles Soludo decided to summon all the gambling companies in that state to issue them warning or it is a different one. And like Oshosondy said, you should put a link so we can read it up to get the whole story. Most casinos and gambling sites are that way. They are structured in a way that players will keep losing and when anyone escapes it, they find an excuse not to pay. It is either they accuse winners of KYC not being adequate or some double dealings. No, I have not encountered such. It is bad that casinos are set up and will not want to pay out when winnings are recorded. He will win the case. I hope no judicial manipulations happen to him.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Alisha-k on October 24, 2022, 09:12:14 AM
There is every indication he will win the case and get extra bonus for stressing the matter if presented to an appeal court. He did well by rejecting such tiny amount compared to what he won. As far has his Lottery ticket is intact and the claims to his winning is visible by him the case is a won deal already. There is no way this cheating can be permanently curbed the only measure that can be taken by gamblers is to always ensure their tickets are safe and take legal actions where the gambling company tries playing partial


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Wexnident on October 24, 2022, 09:20:48 AM
Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
They should, as long he has solid proof of the announcement of winners (whether it be via video, an official announcement, or whatever), as well as the lottery ticket that won. It also matters that said lottery should be a legal one though.

On the matter of experiencing it, I have to win first before I can  ;D

It might honestly be a real tech accident of sorts, it happens, I just think it's impossible for it to not leave any traces whatsoever though so them avoiding it like this kind of seems odd. It might be for money though I don't think they'd shy away from paying it that much since they're a lottery company, they'd inevitably win in the long run tbh. Put a punishment, a very heavy one for law breakers like in this scenario.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: robelneo on October 24, 2022, 09:24:10 AM


Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

Is there a link or a screenshot of the story this is the first time I heard of such, it will definitely ruin the lottery company for such a poor alibi, he will definitely win the case and he can also ask the company to pay the attorney's fee, I don't know the lottery in that country but all the lottery I know about, they are under the jurisdiction of consumer board and they are obliged under the law to pay their winners, he should not accept a settlement fee because that's not his fault but the lottery company.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Jating on October 24, 2022, 10:14:09 AM


Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

Is there a link or a screenshot of the story this is the first time I heard of such, it will definitely ruin the lottery company for such a poor alibi, he will definitely win the case and he can also ask the company to pay the attorney's fee, I don't know the lottery in that country but all the lottery I know about, they are under the jurisdiction of consumer board and they are obliged under the law to pay their winners, he should not accept a settlement fee because that's not his fault but the lottery company.

Yeah, would like to see which country is this one, because it seems that there are corruption with the lottery office. If this is government mandated lottery then they should pay the winner, no if or but.

And why are they offering him that money in the first place? they should give him full credit if by chance he really won fair and square.

So of course we are in the side of the man and hopefully he will get his full price.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: dothebeats on October 24, 2022, 10:35:44 AM
He got this case. He got the ticket, he got the proofs, and the company is trying to bribe him to not sue meaning he has a lot of sense in this lawsuit. Most of us would probably just take the L and get that $29,000, but luckily this man is very determined to get what he deserves. If anything, he could even get more than what he won if the court sees fit, and hopefully that would be the case to teach the lottery company a lesson that they cannot simply state that they voided winnings just because of an error on their part.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: danherbias07 on October 24, 2022, 10:47:00 AM
He got this case. He got the ticket, he got the proofs, and the company is trying to bribe him to not sue meaning he has a lot of sense in this lawsuit. Most of us would probably just take the L and get that $29,000, but luckily this man is very determined to get what he deserves. If anything, he could even get more than what he won if the court sees fit, and hopefully that would be the case to teach the lottery company a lesson that they cannot simply state that they voided winnings just because of an error on their part.
Yeah, if that's me, I might've accepted the first offer thinking there won't be a second one, well according to the story.
Me being lazy taking it to the high court and the hassle of doing all the paperwork and documents and then, asking a lawyer to handle the case.
I mean, that's still profit from a 690 bet. But the man is aching to receive what he deserves and I think he will get it, and justice will be served.

Is this a private lottery company?
I only know national lotteries, here in our country it's a nationwide thing and in the USA there's Powerball, mega, etc.. which is running per state.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Kemarit on October 24, 2022, 11:22:06 AM
He got this case. He got the ticket, he got the proofs, and the company is trying to bribe him to not sue meaning he has a lot of sense in this lawsuit. Most of us would probably just take the L and get that $29,000, but luckily this man is very determined to get what he deserves. If anything, he could even get more than what he won if the court sees fit, and hopefully that would be the case to teach the lottery company a lesson that they cannot simply state that they voided winnings just because of an error on their part.

Nah, I will still get my winnings and will not accept that bribe. and since he has all the proofs and the ticket then there's no way that he is going to lose this one. Unless they bribe the judge and whoever is involved.

But if this get the attention of the public, then there's no way that he should lose the case. And it's good that he is that determine, I mean it's a win-win for him. So he might as well get and fight it out till the end.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: gantez on October 24, 2022, 11:28:36 AM

Can this guy win the case?


If the casino is offering him some money and the gambling board that means he has evidence against them that he do play the games and that make him to claim the winning he has, so yes he will win the case. What matters is the evidence he present to the court and they will investigate the claiming. The gambling board has committed already in paying that means not a false claim but they want to reduce the winning amount and the winner disagree. I think the court will judge it that they will pay gradually until complete of the winning claim



Can this guy win the case?
I will say yes. Only want can happen is to convince him to accept low amount, which is what the gambling site is doing.


He will not be convince for low price because they offered to him low price and he refuse before approach to court. He will get the winning claim but not at once.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Mauser on October 24, 2022, 11:30:38 AM
Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

It's hard to say what his chances will be to win this case, without knowing the gambling laws in his country. With winnings of above 150,000 USD it makes sense to get an expert lawyer to take care of it. Since he was offered already two times money from the company his chances seem good. The lottery company know they are in the wrong and trying to get a cheap payout. It's good that he declined the payments avd I hope he is documenting everything properly. It shouldn't be an issue for him that the company lost the data for the winnings. If his lottery ticket shows the winning numbers and its legit than he deserves all the money. In my country the lottery company is partially owned by the state and there is no way that they could get out of paying out winnings. The winning numbers are broadcasted on TV and if you have the lottery winning slip with your name on it, its your money. Hopefully he gets all the money and doesn't except a partial payout.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Eternad on October 24, 2022, 11:33:18 AM
Care to share the link of the source to your story to verify the authenticity of this news? Why he needs to go on National Gambling Board while he already received settlement offer from the casino? It only means that casino is guilty and he should file a case against the casino on court to force them to pay the full amount. I fhe holds the winning number and all the conversation about casino refusing to pay. He will surely win if he has money to sustain his lawyer fee but I believe this will be a settlement close to the winning amount to aboid expenses on lawyer of both side if they continue the case.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: tabas on October 24, 2022, 11:50:42 AM
Can this guy win the case?
Yes.
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
I haven't.
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
It's either they're telling the truth that there's sort of bug but it's sketchy if they've said that they've wiped off their database. That sounds odd and crazy if it just happened recently when the guy tries to claim his winnings.
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
There's no way that we can avoid that.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Saisher on October 24, 2022, 12:10:31 PM
This is crazy is not possible and if this is possible then any lottery company can just refuse to pay those who won millions because of a database error, once the result shows up its final, any court will even penalize any lottery company that will do this its fraud and it will lose the confidence of the betting public, so far OP did not provide a link or screenshot of the story, so we'll know the whole story and what really happen.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Queentoshi on October 24, 2022, 12:38:38 PM
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

Which cheating are you referencing? The cheating from the gambling site or the cheating from individuals who play on those gambling sites? for both, stricter rules should be made and the penalty for defaulters be clearly mentioned to discourage gambling sites that take advantage of customers and look for a reason to cheat them, and individuals who take advantage of gambling sites somehow by cheating. There should also be a strong enforcement of penalty for defaulters.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: ethereumhunter on October 24, 2022, 12:38:52 PM
Maybe that person can win the case but I don't think it will be easy because it involves a lot of money to pay for the trial or something. But I don't know. I've never experienced anything like him so I'm not sure what will happen next.

Or maybe the casino doesn't have that much money so they refuse to pay the guy. But if so, the casinos should have thought about it before they launched that lottery program. And it's only natural that he refuses the payout from the casino because the amount is not as much as he won. But, if he could act wisely, he should have just accepted the winnings and asked the casino to explain what happened. And if the casino doesn't have enough balance to pay the winner, they have to be responsible for paying it.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: molsewid on October 24, 2022, 01:22:51 PM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
I think , he will gonna win this case. The company still make a negotiations, the higher the govt agency he go the money they offer gets higher as well, if they really think that his data is being wiped or they think that they already remove all the evidences that the man really won the jackpot price then why do they still offer such amount and gets higher everytime he complain?


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Mame89 on October 24, 2022, 01:23:37 PM
This is crazy is not possible and if this is possible then any lottery company can just refuse to pay those who won millions because of a database error, once the result shows up its final, any court will even penalize any lottery company that will do this its fraud and it will lose the confidence of the betting public, so far OP did not provide a link or screenshot of the story, so we'll know the whole story and what really happen.
if it's a system error it's not a reason not to give gifts to members. I don't think the lottery wants to pay big against winnings of up to million. on the other hand maybe those who own the casino don't match the money they have now that makes an excuse. If this appeal is going to be difficult, it will also require a lot of money. I've never experienced anything like this either


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: virasisog on October 24, 2022, 01:31:57 PM
This is crazy is not possible and if this is possible then any lottery company can just refuse to pay those who won millions because of a database error, once the result shows up its final, any court will even penalize any lottery company that will do this its fraud and it will lose the confidence of the betting public, so far OP did not provide a link or screenshot of the story, so we'll know the whole story and what really happens.

This is unfair to the bettor and if the guy who won would win the case, the casino will surely lose its credibility and will have its reputation ruined. That kind of casino should be avoided because the worst cases might happen in the future. They might be having a hard time paying that huge sum of winning but they should not lie about it or even accuse it of an error. The guy deserves justice so if proven guilty, the casino should also pay all the damages and expenses that the guy spent.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: rahmad2nd on October 24, 2022, 01:44:40 PM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?

I do not know in which country this case occurred, so it is difficult for me to analyze this case. we don't get much from the information you share, there is no link as a clear, accurate and definite reference source. so, we can only assume unilaterally from the information you convey.

however, it becomes important for you at least to choose a gambling platforms that has a reputation that is credible, trustworthy, fair and transparent. so you can make sure cases like this happen to you of course.
In this case, if there was some kind of conspiracy from the start that he claimed the lottery, then the person you spoke of in this case should have won the case in court. interestingly, if he were betting on a legal platforms, things like this wouldn't have happened. So I think it's important for you to choose on platforms that really have a really good reputation.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: cabron on October 24, 2022, 02:00:06 PM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?

I do not know in which country this case occurred, so it is difficult for me to analyze this case. we don't get much from the information you share, there is no link as a clear, accurate and definite reference source. so, we can only assume unilaterally from the information you convey.

however, it becomes important for you at least to choose a gambling platforms that has a reputation that is credible, trustworthy, fair and transparent. so you can make sure cases like this happen to you of course.
In this case, if there was some kind of conspiracy from the start that he claimed the lottery, then the person you spoke of in this case should have won the case in court. interestingly, if he were betting on a legal platforms, things like this wouldn't have happened. So I think it's important for you to choose on platforms that really have a really good reputation.

This is probably a local lottery. Tried to search it too but there is no article about it.
If the lottery company offered him $23,000 and then the National Gambling Board offered again for $29,000 then there must be truth to him winning the lottery  but the two are just in cahoots not paying him. I guess he can win the case since he can provide the details of his lottery ticket.

National Gambling Board seem to have more connection to a corrupt justice system. I would probably negotiate to at least 60/40 or something if I am in his shoe. Get more evidence from this deal.  :D


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: YOSHIE on October 24, 2022, 02:05:18 PM
The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.
yes, this is the right step taken by the lottery winner, there is no other way but to report to the relevant parties.

Can this guy win the case?
Cases like that, as far as I know, depend on the rules that have been set by the country, regarding gambling and lotteries.
• Countries that legalize lottery gambling sites, those who are cheated will win in this case, provided they have valid evidence, if the lottery agent is not willing to pay for the user's winnings.

Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
A lot, that often happens in the type of lottery gambling, what's more, users win a lot, in some cases I have seen agents run away, without paying the winnings.

Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
It is common knowledge, gambling parties do things like that, aka deceive users.

What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
Nothing, except: placing a bet on a responsible and reputable lottery gambling site.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: gunhell16 on October 24, 2022, 02:35:54 PM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

Based on your story, it is obvious that the man who won the Lottery will win. Why did I say? because if what the winner says is not true, why did the company offer the bettor 23k$ and the second attempt was 29900$? they showed and proved that the man won. The only reason they say this is that there was an erasure in the database or a technical error. In short, what they said is a false statement.

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Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
Maybe, there are gambling owners who do exactly that. If they don't expect someone to suddenly win a large amount of money, they have control over whether they will pay or not, because if they don't want to pay because of the large amount, they can the gambler's account is unopposed, and no matter what their support report is, they will ignore it, but if there is strong evidence and their gambling business will be compromised, they will settle the complainant.

But if the cryptocurrency gambling platform is legit like Stakes, Duelbits, Trustdice, Blackjack, Rollbit, owl, and others, I don't think they are the kind of gambling company that will just create an alibi so that their players don't get the prize.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: rbynxx on October 24, 2022, 02:48:54 PM
Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
* If it's still on, then, the possibility will always be there for the guy to win the case and I'm rooting that he can win it.
* I can't recall such.
* They're like certain that no one will file a case on them or that they think it will just a waste of time for the complainant if they do.
* I don't think that will be easy nor will be completely out of the picture in the industry, it may be done within a short period of time but in the future something will happen again.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: noormcs5 on October 24, 2022, 03:01:55 PM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.


Who is responsible of any technical error? For sure, the gambler cannot be deprived of the payment because of any technical error because it is the responsibility of the gambling house to ensure backups are in place in case any technical error occurs. Ideally the gambing house shoud pay him the full amount which he had won.

However, there could be a situation that gambling casino is using the technical error as an excuse to not give payment to the customer. In such a case, gambling house will not pay and i am not sure what else you can do if they refuses to pay you ?


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: coin-investor on October 24, 2022, 03:19:00 PM
He can charge the company in court for additional compensation, but there's no way he can be deprived of his winning because of technical error it's the obligation of the lottery company to pay their winners no one will trust and bet on their casino if their alibi is there is a technical error and database was deleted, so far should show us if this story is really true or just a made up story because it sounds unbelivable.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Doan9269 on October 24, 2022, 04:08:13 PM
In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

WTF! could this be true? such casino need to be sued to face the court of law, such are the type with bad reputation, but i think the gambker could go as far to any length with them as long as he still have the stake slip together with him, or maybe he should try contact the gambling real physical head office location, it could have been that the branch he went are the ones trying to play smart on him to take his winnings.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

Good moves, there's positive indications that he will winnthe case since we've seen the two moves at first, they wanted to eat up his winnings and have it to themselves, sometimes I just wonder the number of gamblers patronizing casinos each day with the amount of losses they make to those casinos, it's actually a huge amount each day because you rarely see a gambler making win, it happens but occasional.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: o48o on October 24, 2022, 04:28:16 PM
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Can this guy win the case?

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Well link to the source of the story would help for starters. You talk about USD conversion and we don't even know which casino was it or even the country this took in place, or if he even was a citizen of this country. Different countries have different resources to handle something that happens overseas.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: crwth on October 24, 2022, 04:33:24 PM
That lottery company shouldn't be trusted anymore, and it wouldn't be of any help to anyone if they cannot admit and be responsible for the actions that they are doing. Imagine being offered money if it was a technical error or something. It should've been fair and square. That lottery company might have shady owners, and they want as much as possible to have no winners of that kind. They know it's a substantial amount of money to be paid off.

I do hope that the guy will win that case. It's unfair for the gambler since his luck is included. I'm not that lucky to experience that kind of thing. If we're talking about cryptocurrencies and you play into a reputable one, I think you would have no problem cashing it out.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: gantez on October 24, 2022, 04:39:08 PM

Or maybe the casino doesn't have that much money so they refuse to pay the guy. But if so, the casinos should have thought about it before they launched that lottery program.

It may be the case that the casino doesn't want to lose the betting money that is also huge and they decide to stake it not expecting the bettor to win it. It is a hard trick of the game of chance, the casino also took a bet on that he can lose and all the betting money is turning to theirs but now unfortunately is not that way and they have to make payment to the bettor is simple.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Jemzx00 on October 24, 2022, 04:47:13 PM
Can this guy win the case?
Highly likely, but it still depends on his country's court and how they will be able to subdue the case.

Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
On an online casino, Yes. On a physical or offline casino, No.

Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winnings?
Because life is unfair and there will always be people who will avoid things such as losing money and cheat someone below them.

What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
Unfortunately, for me, I don't think that there will be a permanent solution to such a problem as people will always try to cheat someone else especially for money.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Cookdata on October 24, 2022, 04:49:41 PM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

You should have backed up your information with a source, but nevertheless, this is a big fraud.

What were the comments of the National Gambling board? Why are they taking sides with the gambling company in return to pay the player sum of $29k instead of $169k. This is not like a mistake from the player, it is an error from the gambling company and as long as there are no terms that state otherwise, the gambling company must pay the player his full payment.

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This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

I am confident that even with the error they are using as an excuse to make the full payments, they don't have the intention to pay the player. If the player stands his ground to the end, the lawyer will get to the root of the case and will definitely get his money.
Some gambling companies have a way they cheat players and this is just one of them, there are other ones that even lock up accounts for unknown or genuine reasons to get ahead of players, the solution lies ahead of regulators and the licencing agency.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Hispo on October 24, 2022, 05:35:54 PM
Yes, very outrageous how this lottery is trying to steal this guy in broad light even by trying to erase all kinds of evidence.
I would die of an anger episode if this happened to me, to be honest.  ::)




Can this guy win the case?

I dont know the full context of this case, I would say it would depends whether this lottery has "friends" and collaborators in the government, they could even try to bribe a judge for 30k$ to stop this case, in order not to give the money this guy deserves. So It would depend whether on how corrupt this country is and the connections of the lottery.

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Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?

Never

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Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?

Because they want to earn money by having a lottery but likely they do not have the liquidity to pay this big win or something similar.
it is quite ironic if you ask me, in general, when someone gets a big win in a lottery, legit lotteries take advantage of the situation to advertise the fact they actually pay their winners, giving a giant check and having a little party, ect, to make more people bet. This leads me to believe this lottery is far from being legit.

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What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

Decentralized contracts in some reputable blockchain or the lotteries could be forced by law to have their prizes in cash held by a third party, possibly a bank, so they cannot withdraw it or hide it in case there is a big winner; not the best solution but it would work for those lotteries unwilling to try blockchain technology.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Doell on October 24, 2022, 07:01:53 PM
Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?

Yes can if this guy have a proof and the law court in his country are fair. Before you play on an online lottery, you must to be a research the site to see if they have proof of payment of the winner's. I personally have never experienced it in an online lottery, because I always research before starting. So If I win they always paid, maybe the amount of wins is also small.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Fortify on October 24, 2022, 07:09:23 PM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

What actual proof does he have that he won this amount? That's one of the first pieces of evidence a court will ask. It seems like a rather amateur mistake for what presumably is a licensed lottery operator to make, to lose this information - are they saying his name is not present in a database of ticket buyers? Are they saying they don't know what the winning results were? I don't understand why they would offer such settlement figures unless they were fairly confident he had a case against them, in which case a judge will likely side with the claimant because he shows they are not competent operators. I don't understand how he charges them with anything, doubt he is a police officer and it would likely just be a civil court case against them.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Renampun on October 24, 2022, 07:20:16 PM
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This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

there have been many stories like this happen, bookies always have a trick if they feel threatened by a big win, they will surely bribe all the authorities so that the young man can agree on the number of lottery winnings they offer in court.
if the guy has money then he has to fight for it even though his time, money and energy are wasted, because the bookie is a scammer and has no desire to pay the guy who won the lottery from their company, I hope that guy can win.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: romero121 on October 24, 2022, 07:21:37 PM
Casinos should not get into these kind of activities. It looks like OP have played in a reputed platform, if not he can't go anywhere for help claiming his win. As the platform have enrolled with the National Gambling Board, he have reached them. The board in favour of the casino is unfair. Surely we can expect good result if the judge isn't corrupt.

End of the day everything is business. When the respective platform drops down of the calculated profit, automatically the management will support to do these kind of act. This isn't good, and I expect the gambler to stay strong.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Mahanton on October 24, 2022, 07:59:40 PM
Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
-If he does have that lottery ticket and some screenshots on the draw date then for sure that would be a solid evidence or proof which would be enough for those lottery operators to face up some shit.
-So far i didnt hit any lottery or huge wins, therefore i dont really have any experiences related to this.
-When they dont have any plans on paying since from the start then it does really simply means that they are just running lottery and hoping to have cash grab into those who do bet but on the time
that someone do able to hit then this is where alibis and reasoning do happen.
-This do usually take on legal action but of course you should really make yourself preparing up some funds considering approaching lawyers and other stuffs
would really be costing you.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: trendcoin on October 24, 2022, 08:03:23 PM
This story reminded me the importance of decentralized platforms... I think all centralized platforms should prepare to become decentralized platforms one day because we have no other way to get rid of such problems. Today, I use some central platforms with peace of mind, but there are always some doubts inside me, that's why I put some limits on myself in all my bets... As a result, I think the unfortunate hero of this story may not get the money he earned from the bet. I hope he will try his luck at more reliable betting sites from now on, and if we don't want to experience such things again, we should strive for the spread of decentralized platforms.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: minime0105 on October 24, 2022, 08:24:00 PM
Provided that the company have agreed that the man won a game and it was wiped in their database due to their error which is not the man's fault, so with the initial agreement or acceptance that the Man won a game and because of their system we're unable to pay because of the database got corrupted, it will win them in any place it take the matter to, except that it's a situation where by it don't want recover or take the money from them.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Scripture on October 24, 2022, 08:32:08 PM
This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
Definitely he will win on this, he won the lottery and whatever happened on the data base of that company is not his fault, he won and he deserve to get the right reward. Now that company will pay more because of this.

They refuse probably because of insufficient funds or they have no plans to pay at all.

Report to the authority and it’s good to file a case against them. As long as you have the evidence you can win on this. 


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: milewilda on October 24, 2022, 08:39:06 PM
This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
Definitely he will win on this, he won the lottery and whatever happened on the data base of that company is not his fault, he won and he deserve to get the right reward. Now that company will pay more because of this.

They refuse probably because of insufficient funds or they have no plans to pay at all.

Report to the authority and it’s good to file a case against them. As long as you have the evidence you can win on this. 
They shouldnt have run a lottery if they arent really paying to those possible wins.If they had lacked out some funds on giving the winning amount then they had just simply missed on putting up limits on how much
a winner could potentially win out on max manner or simply they arent really paying at all.Its true that as long that man does have the lottery ticket then it would really be a solid evidence
which he could really make some fight until the company would decide on paying him up.He do deserve those winnings and its just not a right reason for the company that there
were some internal errors because numbers had been published out then it would be considered as final.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: AmoreJaz on October 24, 2022, 08:43:50 PM
Damn, technical error can't be a reason to cut his winnings and offer lower rewards. It is the job of the tech team to control all possible errors, and attacks instead of blaming the winner and refusing to pay. Hiring a lawyer and looking for legal action looks like the only way for the company to pay promised reward as written on the conditions.

if the player has all the tangible proofs that he won on that day, he has big chance of winning this case. also, if the numbers are posted as the winning lottery numbers and it corresponds to the lottery ticket of the person. then, definitely he has valid proof of being a winner. he needs to find a good lawyer to get his winnings. the technical error is not his problem being wiped out in the system, because the winning numbers were already published on that day and fortunately the player has it.
cheating in gambling will always be here and i don't think it will be totally eradicated for good.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Viscore on October 24, 2022, 08:50:56 PM
I think he will win it. The fact that the company is offering him money means there is legitimacy in his claim, there must be proofs of his win that's why he won't budge at the offers given to him. Now, the gambling company will have more problems after he wins this case.
Reputation is first. Instead of just paying the man, they took the risk of going this far so now their business will be in danger too.

I have not experienced this yet and I wish to never do.
Why do they do it? Well, when it's about the money anything can be done. But sadly, in this case, they are not looking at long term profits.



The gambling casino has obviously at fault in this so they have to pay the gambler on his winning bet because that’s the right thing to do. Otherwise, if the casino continue to act like a scammer and continue to be greedy on their part, well they will lost their business in the long run because other gamblers will definitely most likely not to gamble their money at this certain casino. Losing their reputation will mark the end of their business.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: uneng on October 24, 2022, 09:01:28 PM
In my opinion, the company offering him smaller amounts of money in the court is a positive indicator forthe gambler, because the company is indirectly accepting the fact the man is right in demanding his prize when they offer him money, although they refuse to pay the whole prize. The question is, why is the company denying him full payment if they are willing to pay 29,900$?

If it were a technical error, the casino wouldn't be offering him a single penny!


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: robelneo on October 24, 2022, 09:03:54 PM
Many are asking for a link or the screenshot of the news but so far OP is not providing anything until now, he even had it in his title
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A disheartening true life winning story
if this is a true story you should provide the source because this is considered a scam, I read a lot about online casinos not paying but not yet a lottery company because lotteries are under strict guidance by the government or they will be strip of their license to operate and they will get a lot of criticism and lose sales.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Issa56 on October 24, 2022, 09:49:47 PM
Can this guy win the case?
If the guy is having evidence then I believe he will win, since the casino is trying to compensate the guy then they believe if they are charged to court he will definitely win the case that's why they just want the case to die down.
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
I haven't experienced this before probably is because I use a reputable gambling site or because I haven't win big amount before, most of my wins are small amount that a gambling site won't want to lose their reputation because of the amount.
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
I think the gambling site is not a reliable site, no matter how big the amount you win, I don't think a reliable gambling site will hold your funds if you don't go against their rules and regulation. I think the gambling site see the guy's win as massive one and they can't really afford to pay the winner that huge amount of money.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on October 24, 2022, 09:50:41 PM
I read the same news which I believe is not in the news paper but in an online news outlet... Here is the link https://www.legit.ng/business-economy/money/1499198-man-plays-bet-n50000-wins-n727-million-company-refuses-pay/ (https://www.legit.ng/business-economy/money/1499198-man-plays-bet-n50000-wins-n727-million-company-refuses-pay/)

According to the article, the man in question won on two different lotto plaform.
From premier lotto - he won 48 million naira which they paid him.
From Green lotto - he won 72 million naira which they(green lotto) have refused to pay.
https://i.imgur.com/5SVM5Qb.png

The man is indeed very lucky wit the winnings, and I hope he wins the case and green lotto hand his money over to him.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: jossiel on October 24, 2022, 09:56:17 PM
Yes can if this guy have a proof and the law court in his country are fair. Before you play on an online lottery, you must to be a research the site to see if they have proof of payment of the winner's. I personally have never experienced it in an online lottery, because I always research before starting. So If I win they always paid, maybe the amount of wins is also small.
He's got the proof and that's why they've tried to pay him lower than his winning amount. The court should really be fair on this one and they shouldn't be bought out by the casino.

There are many silent cases like this that they're forced by the casino to pay little when they think that the winner has won it cleanly and legitimately.

This case is different since the winner can spend that much and willing to spend his time and money for it. Good luck to him and hoping that he'll get his outright money.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Slow death on October 24, 2022, 10:04:52 PM
Can this guy win the case?

yes he can win the case as it is a lottery and if he has the winning ticket and if the lottery company announced in public who the winner was then the court can ask some tv channel for the video showing that his ticket and the winning ticket, but the problem with that is that this is going to be a very lengthy process because the company can go to another court whenever they lose and the guy who won is going to spend a lot of time and money to recreate the amount he won, maybe make a fair deal with the lottery company

Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?

well, in my case i only use online casino

Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?

the reason is very simple: because the guys want to keep the players' money, just like the people from the scam casinos

What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

this is the government's job


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: kawetsriyanto on October 24, 2022, 10:09:33 PM
Can this guy win the case?
It depends on the evidence he has.
If he has strong evidence, he probably wins the case as long as the court is fair enough and serious to learn the case.

Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Never. Rarely won, but always got the prizes once winning the games.
Maybe they were small prizes, so the gambling company gave them easily.  ;D

Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
Only an untrusted gambling company that refuses to pay.
I am sure there will be no refuses if we win the games on a reputable/trusted gambling company.
That's why it is necessary to analyze the reputation of the gambling company first before we decide to gamble there.

What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
Be aware to choose reputable/trusted gambling sites or gambling companies.
There are too many options, just avoid those which have bad reputations.



Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Asiska02 on October 24, 2022, 10:21:19 PM
Can this guy win the case?

I have my doubts that the man will prevail in court. If the business that paid him so much decided to settle the dispute without going to trial, they may still pull off an unexpected maneuver in court and prevail.


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Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?

Maybe the casino will go wretched when they give out such amount to him. Some companies just entice people with offers that are not realistic to win and even themselves the company; don’t worth such amount.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: samcrypto on October 24, 2022, 10:30:47 PM
Many are asking for a link or the screenshot of the news but so far OP is not providing anything until now, he even had it in his title
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A disheartening true life winning story
if this is a true story you should provide the source because this is considered a scam, I read a lot about online casinos not paying but not yet a lottery company because lotteries are under strict guidance by the government or they will be strip of their license to operate and they will get a lot of criticism and lose sales.
If it’s already with the court, I’m sure they will handle this properly and address the issue. Not paying because of the system problem of the company is not a good excuse, most probably there is something more behind that and they have to provide more documents to the court to prove it. I’m also wondering if this story is true, nevertheless we should aware what to do if something like this happened to us.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: harizen on October 24, 2022, 11:15:32 PM
Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

A lottery is heavily regulated therefore chances of that winner winning the case is possible.

As you mentioned, the lottery itself claimed that the winning has been wiped off their database as a result of a technical error. That's clearly their fault!

The winner just needs to show his winning ticket. It's impossible to create such a ticket intentionally for that purpose that's why it's big proof that the guy won.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: serjent05 on October 24, 2022, 11:16:27 PM

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?

It is highly possible for the guy to win the case as long as he has all the evidence of his winnings.

Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?

I haven't experienced this kind of thing yet.

Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?

This is a common practice of fraud casinos.  they will accept the bet but they will deny the payment of winnings if it is huge.

What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

This is another reason that gambling should be regulated.  In times when a gambling platform is cheating its player, authorities will punish these fraud gambling platforms if proven.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: blockman on October 24, 2022, 11:18:26 PM
A lottery is heavily regulated therefore chances of that winner winning the case is possible.

As you mentioned, the lottery itself claimed that the winning has been wiped off their database as a result of a technical error. That's clearly their fault!

The winner just needs to show his winning ticket. It's impossible to create such a ticket intentionally for that purpose that's why it's big proof that the guy won.
They can't reason that out in the court and they'll have to be responsible for that error that has happened and not passes it on to the winner. The winner doesn't hold the system and the fact that he's been tried to get paid for him to retreat his complaints shows that he deserves it.
If the casino just hands out his actual winning, there won't be any problem for them but this could put a stain on their reputation that might impact and show a decline in their userbase. When in fact that there was a technical error that has happened, other gamblers will feel unsafe about them.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: goinmerry on October 24, 2022, 11:44:16 PM
In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

I think this should not even be a discussion as the case is pretty clear and sided with the winner.

The reason is because of the company's poor system. The lottery is always associated with a betting slip regardless if it's online or physical. That's already good support for that winner to win the case.

Can you share the link to that news here so we can know more details?


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: BitDane on October 24, 2022, 11:48:41 PM
Can this guy win the case?

I have my doubts that the man will prevail in court. If the business that paid him so much decided to settle the dispute without going to trial, they may still pull off an unexpected maneuver in court and prevail.

This depends on the victim if he approved of the offer.  This simply means the guy has already won the case since he get paid of his winnings.

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Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?

Maybe the casino will go wretched when they give out such amount to him. Some companies just entice people with offers that are not realistic to win and even themselves the company; don’t worth such amount.

Or possibly it is the practice of the casino.  Looking for reason to not pay the player of huge winnings.  This may sound absurd but this kind of things really happen especially when the gambling platform does not value reputation but how they can take advantage player.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: chaser15 on October 24, 2022, 11:53:36 PM
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

None. Just trust that the lottery company will be fair in all concerns. That was really unfortunate for the winner but since the company itself claimed that there was a technical error, then they are the ones to blame. The company is even offering money to end the case then which means, the winner fairly and legally won the lottery.

That will ruined the reputation of that lottery if they will insist to do such dirty trick.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: AicecreaME on October 25, 2022, 05:26:37 AM
It was such an unfortunate event that the winner didn't get to take home his prize because the gambling company don't want to pay him.

I applaud him for taking action about the incident because the money involved is big enough and he can utilize it over many things already. It was such a very wrong move that the gambling casino refused to pay him his winnings. If ever they really did technical error, then it is solely their fault and not the winner's. They should be held liable if they will refuse to compensate him according to his bet.

These greedy gambling company just shows that there are really rigged games. It's impossible that they don't have any backup database for that especially they are a business operating. Perhaps the winner they have chosen didn't turn out to be the one who technically won, hence the reason why they don't want to pay. I think the winner of the lottery will win the case if he has enough substantial evidences to show the court. After all, he already went too far by filing a case against them which just means he have so much on his hands to prove that he is the winner.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: EarnOnVictor on October 25, 2022, 07:03:40 AM
Please can you include the link for the authenticity of this information. I will also like to read the news in full.
Is there a link or a screenshot of the story this is the first time I heard of such
Here is the link: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

This is crazy is not possible
Did I just read it's not possible from you? Wake up, it's so possible, as a matter of fact, it is happening. Cheating casinos/lottery companies are everywhere, just be sure that you do your homework before entrusting your money to any of them.

It's hard to say what his chances will be to win this case, without knowing the gambling laws in his country. With winnings of above 150,000 USD it makes sense to get an expert lawyer to take care of it. Since he was offered already two times money from the company his chances seem good.
The amount he won is a good encouragement to employ a very qualified lawyer, but unfortunately, many are being swindled of their money because they can't afford that. However, there is no country that will be so poor in gambling law that would deny the guy his money in a court of competence.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: QueenVera on October 25, 2022, 07:21:29 AM


Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

I'm not a legal practitioner but I have this great feeling that with a sound lawyer, the guy has a 85% chance of winning the case, because how will a winning record be wiped out of your system? And he has his slip with him as a prove and why at several instances does the casino want to pay him those figures ?

I'm also proud of the guy, for not giving it up to settle for the little given to him and this will be a great lesson to other casinos and betting sites because if be finally wins the case, he wouldn't only be paid the $169,000 but other accumulating charges and compensations.

I personally haven't experienced this because I haven't won this amount or anything similar to it.

Just as you hope to win, I guess, this casinos and betting sites also hope you fail because there must be a loser to have a winner and maybe they took the money with expections of the guy losing which backfired a d the win got so heavy in them.
I think they would have contacted the winner and explain the terms to him and possibly come to a concrete agreement and conclusion with the guy rather than wanting to forcefully deprive him of his winnings. Guess this isn't the first of its kind for them but met their perfect match this time.

Good policing should be done in this casinos and bet sites and try to set examples with defaulters, so other canesrn from it.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Pierre 2 on October 25, 2022, 08:09:22 AM
I wonder if this one is true story or not. Although it's really discouraging if gambling company can't deal when their customer won. Their argument doesn't even make sense to me. How can it be wiped out from their systems anyways. I am sure he has proofs to claim that he won. But company probably has nothing to disprove so they went with totally empty "it was removed from our database" claim. Doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Kakmakr on October 25, 2022, 08:11:15 AM
The question is....

1. Was it a technical error or did they wipe the Bet ID.

The casinos keep very good records of ALL bets that are done on their platform, so they should be able to draw those reports. The first thing I do when I win something BIG ..is to record the BetID and also to make a screen capture of the Win. (The screen capture will have a time stamp of the time and date of it being taken, so you can use that as proof.)

I find that smaller casinos with a small Bankroll, will look for reasons not to pay people... so I avoid them. Play with the more reputable and large casinos, because they do not have issues when it comes to large payouts.  ;)


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: yazher on October 25, 2022, 08:26:22 AM
How bad it is when you finally get what you want and suddenly you won't get it due to those scammers that are not fair to their players. These kinds of people should be punish and make them pay twice or multiple times the money they planning to steal from this man who might be losing the game all this time and finally won the best time of his life.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: qwertyup23 on October 25, 2022, 09:52:50 AM
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This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

Interesting- I do think that he will win this case. As far as I know, in a game of chance, any technicality is construed and favoured against the gambling company due to the nature of such risk present. In this case, the gambling company cannot argue that they cannot pay the winnings on the person due to a mere technicality in their system.

Put it this way- assuming that the person lost the bet, can he claim back the amount he wagered due to technical issues experienced by the gambling company? This is really convenient for the gambling website as they can always argue and raise the issue of "technicality" to avoid paying their customers.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: ethereumhunter on October 25, 2022, 12:17:36 PM
How bad it is when you finally get what you want and suddenly you won't get it due to those scammers that are not fair to their players. These kinds of people should be punish and make them pay twice or multiple times the money they planning to steal from this man who might be losing the game all this time and finally won the best time of his life.
But that can be difficult to do, especially if the casino has a relationship with the local regulator, so the regulator will not take the case seriously and will not even allow the person to withdraw the winnings in full. Maybe the regulators will advise the person to take the money the casino has suggested and leave the case, but I don't know. Anything can happen regarding money. Maybe only the people in the regulators can pressure the casino to pay out the winnings in full and for that, these people have to have the integrity to uphold justice.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: bisdak40 on October 25, 2022, 01:03:26 PM
The question is....

1. Was it a technical error or did they wipe the Bet ID.

Judging from reading the attached link, I think there was an intent to cheat on the side of the casino company. He bet on two casinos and won on both of them, the other casino paid while this one did not so I think the technical error was just an alibi but the truth is they don't want to pay the winning so I think bringing the case to the court is the way to go and I hope that he will win the case so that this casino will be prosecuted and be banned/closed forever.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: 348Judah on October 25, 2022, 01:46:20 PM
Can this guy win the case?

Most likely but he should be ready to spend money as well during the process

Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?

Am yet to experience such an ugly encounter before and if anyone tries such in the future, they will definitely smell the taste of their ass

Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?

this is common to those kind of casinos with low reputation, am sure an established caeino with a brand name that is common to gamblers wouldn't have done such a silly act by depriving gamblers thier winning claim

What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

Know the type of casino you're gambling under, conduct your research on them and have fellow gamblers to attest to their being trusted, check thier history, know those behind the casino as founders or developers, then always have a law suit backup in case of any abuse.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: crytolad on October 25, 2022, 02:54:58 PM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

I think he has a shot on winning the case. If has has evidence of the lotto company trying to bribe him would be another plus and he could also used it against them. The case will only take a while and some money from him but I'm positive he's going to win the case.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Yatsan on October 25, 2022, 03:03:31 PM
How bad it is when you finally get what you want and suddenly you won't get it due to those scammers that are not fair to their players. These kinds of people should be punish and make them pay twice or multiple times the money they planning to steal from this man who might be losing the game all this time and finally won the best time of his life.
Sad to say but scammers would always exist as long as there are victims. I'm not blaming the victims but rather wanting to make a wake up call to be more cautious. This thing does not only exist in gambling industry, but to many fields as long as there is money involved. With OP's topic, as long as the victim has proofs, he'd win for sure let's just hope money won't determine the case.
Unfortunately, there are other instances alike with this scenario we are talking about;between gambling site and player. Worse case scenarios are players not even having a dime inspite of winning what he gambled. It would be an advantage for victimes if there are registrations involved with gambling sites because players could sue them but if not, no justice will be given; especially in this industry eherein anonymity is concerned so better be mindful of possibilities.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: JoyMarsha on October 25, 2022, 08:24:55 PM
What arrant nonsense, are the gambling company trying to bribe him to keep his mouth shot? He did well in rejecting their stupid offer. Let them explain in court their motive for giving him a flimsy excuse for not paying him when he demanded it. Gambling centres are just fond of this kind of attitude.

As for the court case, he's winning it no doubt about that, if he has a good barrister backing him up. This will serve as a lesson to other gambling companies



Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: l3pox on October 25, 2022, 08:41:48 PM
what a bizarre and unusual case
lotteries make a lot of money, why they'd refuse to pay? would totally break confidence for future games.

let's hope justice stays in the side of the guy who won...


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: dezoel on October 25, 2022, 09:21:20 PM
Interesting that the company offer him money right after the guy attempted to report them. This tells that the gambling company is guilty for not paying the money. If this happens to some gamblers I think they are willing to accept the offer because for them it is better than nothing but our views about it will be bad.

The winner is supposed to get his full winnings not just a fraction of it and what if the same act happens to other gamblers? This company can repeat the same modes. Their company needs to be shutdown before it happens. I salute this guy in the story, that he didn't get tempted for the small amount but he wants a real justice.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Wakate on October 25, 2022, 09:27:23 PM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
This is really a big money and I don't think the gambling platform has that kind of fund to pay him because paying him that money can make them go bankrupt which is one of the reason why many casinos leaving the gambling world because of bankruptcy. Well I don't know what will be the outcome because this is a big case that need lots of information and prove for the person to finally win the casino.
I still don't know why the gambling company does not want to pay the winning amount because that money is not too big for them to pay their customer.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: milewilda on October 25, 2022, 10:43:48 PM
what a bizarre and unusual case
lotteries make a lot of money, why they'd refuse to pay? would totally break confidence for future games.

let's hope justice stays in the side of the guy who won...
One winning payment decline would really be over for their business which people would flock away because they do already have that bad reputation.Its totally over.
They might be able to get out of the situation but the reputation that had been tarnished would really be permanent and this is where they do really end up
on closing if there were people wont be putting up their bets.
Its impossible that they wont really be able to pay up winnings considering on how many and how big amounts that they would accumulate overall.
If they refuse on paying up the winnings then they shouldnt have run a lottery on the first place.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: piebeyb on October 25, 2022, 11:08:30 PM
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Can this guy win the case?
I think he can win in my country, because the law in my country can be paid where people who have enough money can win it, but unfortunately gambling is strictly prohibited in my country

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Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
most of what I hear on social media a lot is also paid for from lottery companies and maybe you are finding this story which is also sometimes unpublished

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Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
usually such companies don't have that much money and only play their users' money, but we also don't know the real case here I'm not siding with lottery winners or lottery companies it's just that I hate it if any lottery company or gambling site doesn't pay our money or hold our money

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What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
his steps were correct, namely to go and take legal action if gambling is legal in his country and the law can also be purchased in his country, as an experience always make sure to play in a place that has a good reputation as well as legal so that it is easy to process through legal channels if there is a company that does cheating like this


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: alegotardo on October 26, 2022, 12:40:50 AM
Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

Can this guy win the case?
This depends on how dishonest the site administrators are, what the reputation and size of the company is, and also how well their cash flow is.

Has anyone ever experienced not getting paid for their real wins?
Luckily I've never faced something like this, I think it's because I've never earned such a high amount :D

Why would they take your big money but refuse to pay big wins?
There were probably two reasons: The first is that they didn't believe he would go that far and now they are not willing to give in and assume the mistake for fear of losing more clients/players. Second, because they do not have this money, it is necessary to know how the company's financial position is doing.

What could be done to permanently contain this cheating in the game?
Betting on sites that have a good reputation is a good start, second is betting on sites where you can audit bets in a decentralized way and store the results yourself.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Strongkored on October 26, 2022, 05:43:12 AM
Can this guy win the case?
For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
If gambling is legal in the country then there is a good chance for him to win the lawsuit he did, and he should get the money without a doubt.

The gambling company believes not guilty (based on the news you include) but strangely they multiple times offer to pay but with a lower value than the player won, because the steps taken by the gambling company are enough to indicate that they have withheld the player's money, which means refusing to pay with the actual amount.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: justdimin on October 26, 2022, 06:26:12 AM
Can this guy win the case?
I think the guy can win the case because he look so dedicated to take this case in the court and then the lottery company also offer him money to stop him.

Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
It happened to me before on a faucet/gambling site. The winning is kinda big but when im about to withdraw it, it says pending. I've waited for more than a day. I return to the site and I wonder my account were logged out so I login in again but I can't do it anymore.

I suspect that they ban my account without letting me know the real reason.

Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
I don't know, maybe because they are a scam? Or should I say doing a selective scamming only since their site is still active until now and some users are not complaining.

What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
We can try to report them. If only I have the money I will do what the guy did in the story. I wouldn't mind wasting energy and money but what important for me is that I can take my revenge and the scam site will be close down.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Oasisman on October 26, 2022, 08:10:16 AM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

He have a higher chance to win this case, most especially if he have secretly documented that moment when the gambling company has offered him money to take back his charges against them. That alone could be used as a huge evidence that the gambling company did something wrong.
Database malfunction is also a hard thing to believe on especially if there were a lottery result already. It is the gambling company who will be held liable for any database malfunction and they're obliged to pay the winner regardless.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: EarnOnVictor on October 26, 2022, 08:36:54 AM
What actual proof does he have that he won this amount?
It's clear that he has some undeniable proof. This is now a court case, there will be a thorough investigation. They will have to grant access to their internal server, and expects would be engaged in that service to unfold irregularities and what the company might be covering up. Also, the company is liable since they offered him money in police station nad with the gambling board.

This story reminded me the importance of decentralized platforms... I think all centralized platforms should prepare to become decentralized platforms one day because we have no other way to get rid of such problems.
If such like decentralization could be achieved in gambling and exchanges, it would have been best. This would increase trust as no one will be able to steal your money unauthorized.

The gambling casino has obviously at fault in this so they have to pay the gambler on his winning bet because that’s the right thing to do. Otherwise, if the casino continue to act like a scammer and continue to be greedy on their part, well they will lost their business in the long run because other gamblers will definitely most likely not to gamble their money at this certain casino.
Unfortunately, penalties are mostly not meted out on erring companies like this in my country, corruption and politics are everywhere. Nonetheless, the judiciary here is trusted to some reasonable extent, and I am sure the guy would be vindicated.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Jating on October 26, 2022, 08:44:23 AM
Again, if this will cornered media attention in your attention in your country, then for sure the companies should be meted out with penalties or worst even the owner should be put to jail because of the way they handled the situation and not giving out the pay to the winners.

And for the person, vindication will come and it will be a bitter sweet. Hopefully though, there will be no free loaders as for sure his relatives will suddenly comes out and ask for free money because of his winnings.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Daltonik on October 26, 2022, 09:07:50 AM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.


Deception and fraud are quite common in national lotteries, since the system is not transparent and closed, that is, there is a temptation for manipulation in this area, it may also turn out that the winners actually represented may be just figureheads, and this is of course sad.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Cryptomiles1 on October 26, 2022, 11:11:55 AM
What i noticed is that i don't think if the company has such huge amount of money to pay and they are looking for a way of shortening the payment which is why he was offered that Sum of $26k maybe there was lots of winning which the company can't afford to pay all and his winnings. But i wonder's why they aren't transparent enough to inform him about their out of funds which might have been put into consideration to pay partly or within a short time frame.

1. He might win the case but the company may not pay his winning at a go
2. The payment might not be huge as the initial because they could be out of fund.
3. If the bettor who won the game is not financially balance, he might lost the case because i know how the Nigerian system works.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: madnessteat on October 26, 2022, 11:39:09 AM
^

The idea is that if a gambling company does not have that kind of money, they should limit the maximum possible winnings at the software level. The fact that they deleted the winnings information shows that they are trying to cheat this guy. It will be very difficult to prove that he really won, but if he has money for good lawyers, he could win in court and get his winnings, albeit with a delay. 


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: ethereumhunter on October 26, 2022, 12:26:22 PM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

He have a higher chance to win this case, most especially if he have secretly documented that moment when the gambling company has offered him money to take back his charges against them. That alone could be used as a huge evidence that the gambling company did something wrong.
Database malfunction is also a hard thing to believe on especially if there were a lottery result already. It is the gambling company who will be held liable for any database malfunction and they're obliged to pay the winner regardless.

But not many people will realize that they have to document the moment to turn it into evidence that will help them in court later. And if they can get full evidence to show at trial, that could prove that the casino really did wrong and should pay for it. It's very rare cases of database crashes occur in casinos because we're talking about huge cash flows and how casinos can profit if they don't count it in their database. But I don't know, we as ordinary people don't know the truth. But hopefully, this case can be finished well.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: l3pox on October 26, 2022, 01:44:05 PM
Interesting that the company offer him money right after the guy attempted to report them. This tells that the gambling company is guilty for not paying the money. If this happens to some gamblers I think they are willing to accept the offer because for them it is better than nothing but our views about it will be bad.

The winner is supposed to get his full winnings not just a fraction of it and what if the same act happens to other gamblers? This company can repeat the same modes. Their company needs to be shutdown before it happens. I salute this guy in the story, that he didn't get tempted for the small amount but he wants a real justice.

well, that was their try to bribe the guy and saving some thousand dollars of the prize
hoping the guy wouldn't have the guts to proceed
maybe if they offered 50% or even 80% of the prize the guy would accept, but not so little compared to what he won.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: aioc on October 26, 2022, 02:05:18 PM


For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

This is both fraud and stealing and the regulators should stop their operations, this is the first time I read that a winner was refused his prize because of an error when the result comes out it is final, they will end up paying more because the complainant can ask for additional damages, another surprise is the defendant pleaded not guilty, even if the case drags on the complainant is assure of victory that is if the complainant will not settle for less.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: goldkingcoiner on October 26, 2022, 02:17:05 PM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

Its exactly these reasons why we need drop centralized gambling and make decentralized gambling (with provably fair, audited protocols) the new norm. Gambling companies think they can get away with everything and its disgusting to see when they do get away with it.

As far as the guy is concerned, I doubt he will be able to win his case unless he has some hard proof which they have not been able to wipe away, quickly. As far as your question to why anyone would take your money and refuse to pay you your winnings, the answer is simple: because they can. And they have absolutely no moral qualms about screwing you over, if they can. But that goes for all businesses, not just gambling.   


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: freedomgo on October 26, 2022, 02:25:26 PM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

I believe these things really happening in reality but just rarely or the lottery company were able to pay a much lower amount compared to what is won while threatening the man/woman to be silent as they won't even win the case even if they were to file a case. Anyway, reading the story made me furious and saddened on the man's behalf because he wasn't paid the right amount, the lottery company was already guilty when they tried to bribe him.

One thing is for sure, that man will win the case because I bet the court will make an example for these company. There's enough evidence to confirm that the man has won the lottery but the company chose to neglect him.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: jrrsparkles on October 26, 2022, 02:36:17 PM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

Honestly speaking, if he is not rich and living in a country where corruption always wins then I don't think he can win the case even if he company can't make him to lose they can drag the case for years and they shut everything silently by giving money to the people later. This is really annoying thing happen when we are lucky and unlucky at the same time.

About the question you asked

1. Personally I didn't faced anything which maybe fortunately or unfortunately. :D
2. Money is the reason
3. Every casino either its offline or online should be regulated to operate but obviously it can take away the privacy still we can put the money is on higher priority list for most of the people.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: ralle14 on October 26, 2022, 06:18:09 PM
Can this guy win the case?
There's a good chance for him to win the case based on what happened and hopefully, he gets every single amount of his winning and not just a portion.

Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
I experienced it a few times when the sportsbook overturned my winning tickets as their provider was faulty at that time.

Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
There could be different reasons why casinos don't pay big wins, most casinos usually have a max win amount so they could only pay up to a certain amount regardless of the money their players put in. Or they don't have enough bankroll to pay the user. In online casinos, it's because of the terms and conditions as most casinos would require KYC whenever big winnings are involved.

What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
There needs to be some sort of authority in their place that keeps casinos in check so there'd be a much more convenient way to resolve those kinds of issues.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: noormcs5 on October 26, 2022, 06:30:35 PM
what a bizarre and unusual case
lotteries make a lot of money, why they'd refuse to pay? would totally break confidence for future games.

let's hope justice stays in the side of the guy who won...

Well. lotteries do not make a lot of money. In my experience, lotteries make you lose a lot of money as it's too hard to win in the lottery. Secondly, how unfortunate is it that you won something in lottery and the gambling house does not let you withdraw your money?


Deception and fraud are quite common in national lotteries, since the system is not transparent and closed, that is, there is a temptation for manipulation in this area, it may also turn out that the winners actually represented may be just figureheads, and this is of course sad.

You are right as in most of the lotteries, no real person is declared as a winner. The decision or selection of the inners in lotteries are never transparent. They are done hiddenly and in most of the cases, the near and dear ones are nominated as winners and the prize money remains with the person who initiated or arranged the lottery.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: EarnOnVictor on October 27, 2022, 09:35:59 AM
If it’s already with the court, I’m sure they will handle this properly and address the issue. Not paying because of the system problem of the company is not a good excuse, most probably there is something more behind that and they have to provide more documents to the court to prove it. I’m also wondering if this story is true.
Of course, the story is true. How I wish you know me, I will never share an untrue story. Also, the company is complacent and liable to the criminal charges filed against them, and there is no way they would be exonerated because no company would operate at that large scale without having a backup. So they are lying.

The reason is because of the company's poor system.

Can you share the link to that news here so we can know more details?
There is no poor system here as Green lotto is not a small company, they only want to steal his money. Green lotto is the name of the company and the link to the story has been updated on the first page.

How bad it is when you finally get what you want and suddenly you won't get it due to those scammers that are not fair to their players. These kinds of people should be punish and make them pay twice or multiple times the money they planning to steal from this man who might be losing the game all this time and finally won the best time of his life.
But that can be difficult to do, especially if the casino has a relationship with the local regulator, so the regulator will not take the case seriously and will not even allow the person to withdraw the winnings in full. Maybe the regulators will advise the person to take the money the casino has suggested and leave the case, but I don't know. Anything can happen regarding money. Maybe only the people in the regulators can pressure the casino to pay out the winnings in full and for that, these people have to have the integrity to uphold justice.
You have a very good point there, politics is everywhere, so I don't trust regulators and police in some countries. My country is a good example of that, the police and the gambling board that made the company offer the guy some amount knew that he won the bet but tried to cover it up. And if it were to be a good country, the gambling board must have helped the guy get his money and even sanction the gambling company.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: judeafante on October 27, 2022, 11:58:56 AM
If it’s already with the court, I’m sure they will handle this properly and address the issue. Not paying because of the system problem of the company is not a good excuse, most probably there is something more behind that and they have to provide more documents to the court to prove it. I’m also wondering if this story is true.
Of course, the story is true. How I wish you know me, I will never share an untrue story. Also, the company is complacent and liable to the criminal charges filed against them, and there is no way they would be exonerated because no company would operate at that large scale without having a backup. So they are lying.

The reason is because of the company's poor system.

Can you share the link to that news here so we can know more details?
There is no poor system here as Green lotto is not a small company, they only want to steal his money. Green lotto is the name of the company and the link to the story has been updated on the first page.

How bad it is when you finally get what you want and suddenly you won't get it due to those scammers that are not fair to their players. These kinds of people should be punish and make them pay twice or multiple times the money they planning to steal from this man who might be losing the game all this time and finally won the best time of his life.
But that can be difficult to do, especially if the casino has a relationship with the local regulator, so the regulator will not take the case seriously and will not even allow the person to withdraw the winnings in full. Maybe the regulators will advise the person to take the money the casino has suggested and leave the case, but I don't know. Anything can happen regarding money. Maybe only the people in the regulators can pressure the casino to pay out the winnings in full and for that, these people have to have the integrity to uphold justice.
You have a very good point there, politics is everywhere, so I don't trust regulators and police in some countries. My country is a good example of that, the police and the gambling board that made the company offer the guy some amount knew that he won the bet but tried to cover it up. And if it were to be a good country, the gambling board must have helped the guy get his money and even sanction the gambling company.

Even if the regulator side with the lottery people will lose their trust in that company, and the court will eventually prevail and make that company pay, gambling establishments and sites thrive on trust if they lose the trust of the betting public they will cease to exist, so if they refuse to pay they get the wrath of the betting public and that's the end of their company.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: freedomgo on October 27, 2022, 05:18:22 PM
Surely this situation just rarely happen, we don't even know if the lottery is telling the truth that there is indeed some technical malfunctions that is why the winner's ticket will be considered as void. But that is just too unreasonable especially when winning the lottery doesn't happen to someone that often, in fact, you might win a lottery but that will happen once in your whole lifetime. Anyway, what's the update of this case?


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: darkangel11 on October 27, 2022, 07:20:17 PM
The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

If he was offered so much money by the casino so that he wouldn't go to court, it means they recognize his win and admit to an error on their behalf. Why not give him all the money that he won? IMO the reason for that is they were trying to cheat him. They blamed it all on a convenient technical error thinking he'd walk away, but since he was fighting they gave him some money. Losing 30k is much better than losing 169.

I'm sure that if he keeps pushing the offers will go up. They're ready to pay at least half of the money before going to court.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Lanatsa on October 27, 2022, 09:15:44 PM
The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

If he was offered so much money by the casino so that he wouldn't go to court, it means they recognize his win and admit to an error on their behalf. Why not give him all the money that he won? IMO the reason for that is they were trying to cheat him. They blamed it all on a convenient technical error thinking he'd walk away, but since he was fighting they gave him some money. Losing 30k is much better than losing 169.

I'm sure that if he keeps pushing the offers will go up. They're ready to pay at least half of the money before going to court.
This is true which it is really just a solid indication that you are on the right path on fighting for your right on getting your full winnings.Dont let them able to pay out some small amount for the settlement.

It do really sucks when you do experience on holded or locked up funds or withdrawals in case you do win big for some reasoning which you dont even know on what you had done specially if you do able to

hit those numbers legally or on a fair way.If they do refuse to pay and if its a significant amount then it wont really be that a waste on putting it into some legal action.
You should fight on what you do own or had win up.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Finestream on October 27, 2022, 09:28:28 PM
I think he will win it. The fact that the company is offering him money means there is legitimacy in his claim, there must be proofs of his win that's why he won't budge at the offers given to him. Now, the gambling company will have more problems after he wins this case.
Reputation is first. Instead of just paying the man, they took the risk of going this far so now their business will be in danger too.

I have not experienced this yet and I wish to never do.
Why do they do it? Well, when it's about the money anything can be done. But sadly, in this case, they are not looking at long term profits.



The gambler should pursue this case because it’s very obvious that the casino has a big lapse on this. I guess as long as money is involved, there are always cheating that are bound to happen, when it’s not supposed to. Otherwise, if the gambler quit, he’ll eventually lose all his winnings, but if he will pursue the case, he will definitely win in the end.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Marykeller on October 27, 2022, 09:42:39 PM
Please can you include the link for the authenticity of this information. I will also like to read the news in full.
I don't know where he gets the information on the case from but this case sounds similar to what happened in one of the African cities "Lagos, Nigeria". The court case of a Nigerian guy that won the sum of a 72million naira after playing one of its games ''Green lottery" in 2019. Since then the lottery company refused to pay him because of alleged engaged irregularities. And he charged them in court
Link to similar case information.
Why we didn't pay the lottery winner (https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/10/why-we-didnt-pay-lottery-winner-his-n72-7m-claim-green-lotto/)





Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on October 27, 2022, 10:13:07 PM
If the casino is licensed, then he'll have every advantage over 'em but If not, that's fucked up man..... believe me, those greedy Hamsters will just cut a huge piece of cake outta the lump-sum .... Have you cared to ask: why was he offered $23,000 and $29,000 respectively? From a mere casino branch? Reason out....if they had their database wiped, it should be a widely reached international damage (from the control office wherever it is), so how does a single database for a branch casino gets wiped? When payments of won bets are sents from the control office, so how come they didn't receive the increase in funds to pay up the dude?

Look, ......I don't participating in falsified, un-acertain discussions, whatever..... Is either the branch casino received the funds and refuse to payout -- giving out that little cut portion just to see if he'd give up on the case so they'd claim the rest OR, the whole story is a BLATANT LIE.

Sandra 💇


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: DoublerHunter on October 27, 2022, 10:35:44 PM
Surely this situation just rarely happen, we don't even know if the lottery is telling the truth that there is indeed some technical malfunctions that is why the winner's ticket will be considered as void. But that is just too unreasonable especially when winning the lottery doesn't happen to someone that often, in fact, you might win a lottery but that will happen once in your whole lifetime. Anyway, what's the update of this case?
^Local lottery will not let this happen and that is right, this is a rare case that I have heard in a lottery based on an offline casino.
There are too many possible reasons why he did not claim his prize and probably how about the ticket that he has, it should be there is no scratch and this should not be crumpled. Bu if that is a licensed casino, there is no reason they did not pay winners, because they have a reputation to care not unless they are ready to shut down their business.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: EarnOnVictor on October 31, 2022, 02:13:14 PM
If it’s already with the court, I’m sure they will handle this properly and address the issue. Not paying because of the system problem of the company is not a good excuse, most probably there is something more behind that and they have to provide more documents to the court to prove it. I’m also wondering if this story is true.
Of course, the story is true. How I wish you know me, I will never share an untrue story. Also, the company is complacent and liable to the criminal charges filed against them, and there is no way they would be exonerated because no company would operate at that large scale without having a backup. So they are lying.

The reason is because of the company's poor system.

Can you share the link to that news here so we can know more details?
There is no poor system here as Green lotto is not a small company, they only want to steal his money. Green lotto is the name of the company and the link to the story has been updated on the first page.

How bad it is when you finally get what you want and suddenly you won't get it due to those scammers that are not fair to their players. These kinds of people should be punish and make them pay twice or multiple times the money they planning to steal from this man who might be losing the game all this time and finally won the best time of his life.
But that can be difficult to do, especially if the casino has a relationship with the local regulator, so the regulator will not take the case seriously and will not even allow the person to withdraw the winnings in full. Maybe the regulators will advise the person to take the money the casino has suggested and leave the case, but I don't know. Anything can happen regarding money. Maybe only the people in the regulators can pressure the casino to pay out the winnings in full and for that, these people have to have the integrity to uphold justice.
You have a very good point there, politics is everywhere, so I don't trust regulators and police in some countries. My country is a good example of that, the police and the gambling board that made the company offer the guy some amount knew that he won the bet but tried to cover it up. And if it were to be a good country, the gambling board must have helped the guy get his money and even sanction the gambling company.

Even if the regulator side with the lottery people will lose their trust in that company
You have a very good point here. The damage has been done to the company already, no one would trust them anymore. And the good news is that there are alternatives, so they will lose more customers as the guy even wins the case in court.

Surely this situation just rarely happen, we don't even know if the lottery is telling the truth that there is indeed some technical malfunctions that is why the winner's ticket will be considered as void.
This is not rarely happening in my country, a state governor recently give a stern warning to all gambling companies in his state due to similar cases. But the only difference is that the money in most cases is often small to be published/referenced.

If the casino is licensed, then he'll have every advantage over 'em but If not, that's fucked up man
This is beyond being licenced or not, they are liable since they run the lottery inside a country. It might not be at the jurisdiction of the National Gambling Board if it is not licenced, but the reach of the court is beyond that.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: panganib999 on October 31, 2022, 06:53:07 PM
Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Honestly, as long as the court and the jurisdiction isn't rigged the plaintiff will have a very high chance of winning and possibly earning more than the prize he's supposed to get, given the fact that multiple grievances are put on the name of this website. Goes to show how important it is to know your rights and what you even as an individual is capable of. I could tell you so much about the people in this country losing potential millions of dollars against large corporations and/or businesses just because they are afraid of the power that these companies have, not being aware or insecure about their very own abilities.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on October 31, 2022, 07:57:43 PM
~Snip~

I could tell you so much about the people in this country losing potential millions of dollars against large corporations and/or businesses just because they are afraid of the power that these companies have, not being aware or insecure about their very own abilities.
First, i will like you to understand that in this current world we live in, if you have no money, you gat no rights, i dont know about your country but this is simply how it is in my country currently, you need money to be able to have a say, almost everything resolves around money - No wonder the Holy book categorically made it clear that money is a defense.

So this is to tell you that this people you think loose their potential millions of dollars to large cooperation do not or did not do so out of fear, they simply lacked what it takes to get hold of what rightfully belongs to them, they need money to start a case with the supposed large cooperation, they need money to hire a good lawyer, they need money to sort out all the miscellaneous bills that might arise in the process of the case, and this might be someone that's not been able to feed well or even wear good clothes....
This is the major reason why most easily give up what is rightfully theirs when the power holding it refuses to give it to them willingly.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Smartvirus on October 31, 2022, 08:15:17 PM
The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no. A sure should there be any truth to the development of fault by there system, there are those that lost there bets and still can't make any claims on refunds. Hence, its only right that the company pays the customer what he rightly won and stop trying to cut corners. Gambling is a probable stake where you either win or lose and not try to compensate.
Its good his got funds enough to push the case to court and I hope its just enough to sustain the case as long as it would last. Its within his rights and I think he would win.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: n0ne on October 31, 2022, 08:19:19 PM
The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no. A sure should there be any truth to the development of fault by there system, there are those that lost there bets and still can't make any claims on refunds. Hence, its only right that the company pays the customer what he rightly won and stop trying to cut corners. Gambling is a probable stake where you either win or lose and not try to compensate.
Its good his got funds enough to push the case to court and I hope its just enough to sustain the case as long as it would last. Its within his rights and I think he would win.
Yeah, there is some issue. The problem have made the authorities bargain the winning amount settlement at different levels. Now, victim have taken it to the court. Here too he might be offered with certain amount to end the case. I don't know how fair the hearings will take place. This is really bad winning big and unable to get the winning amount.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: swogerino on October 31, 2022, 08:39:47 PM
The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no. A sure should there be any truth to the development of fault by there system, there are those that lost there bets and still can't make any claims on refunds. Hence, its only right that the company pays the customer what he rightly won and stop trying to cut corners. Gambling is a probable stake where you either win or lose and not try to compensate.
Its good his got funds enough to push the case to court and I hope its just enough to sustain the case as long as it would last. Its within his rights and I think he would win.
Yeah, there is some issue. The problem have made the authorities bargain the winning amount settlement at different levels. Now, victim have taken it to the court. Here too he might be offered with certain amount to end the case. I don't know how fair the hearings will take place. This is really bad winning big and unable to get the winning amount.

This is a sad story as we said but I bet that you don't see a case like this in US,Germany or Italy to name a few countries where people win the lottery,yeah the huge national lottery and they don't get the money.I worked in Italy in the early 2000 and there was this super popular game called "Super Ena Lotto" if I remember it correctly where you had to find 13 games correctly (not correct scores,just correct outcome) between Serie A and Serie B,of course most of the games being from Serie A and a few persons won it really big because the odd for 13 games were really big and they were being shown on TV and they were like some gurus of gambling.The same with Powerball in Australia.

What I want to say is that stories like this do not happen usually in Western developed countries running by the rule of law.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Cookdata on October 31, 2022, 09:28:00 PM
Surely this situation just rarely happen, we don't even know if the lottery is telling the truth that there is indeed some technical malfunctions that is why the winner's ticket will be considered as void. But that is just too unreasonable especially when winning the lottery doesn't happen to someone that often, in fact, you might win a lottery but that will happen once in your whole lifetime. Anyway, what's the update of this case?

To be honest at least and from my understanding, machines don’t lie, for every output, there should be an input that was already sent in the first place, it is obvious that the lottery company is lying and using that excuse to cover their tracks not to pay the player.
I’m very familiar with Lotto machine and I have seen how it operates, the fact that the lotto machine printed out his ticket, there was something that was processed, why did the machine didn’t failed to record other transactions, it was only the won tickets that was omitted in their record.

They did deliberately removed that number from the machine probably before he came back because they as the operator know this result when it is announced and for them to be pleading with the winner to accept 27% of his winnings shows they are trying to bury the matter at all cost but good that he didn’t accept the cut.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: dunfida on October 31, 2022, 09:41:37 PM
The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no. A sure should there be any truth to the development of fault by there system, there are those that lost there bets and still can't make any claims on refunds. Hence, its only right that the company pays the customer what he rightly won and stop trying to cut corners. Gambling is a probable stake where you either win or lose and not try to compensate.
Its good his got funds enough to push the case to court and I hope its just enough to sustain the case as long as it would last. Its within his rights and I think he would win.
Yeah, there is some issue. The problem have made the authorities bargain the winning amount settlement at different levels. Now, victim have taken it to the court. Here too he might be offered with certain amount to end the case. I don't know how fair the hearings will take place. This is really bad winning big and unable to get the winning amount.
I cant really blame myself on getting paranoid or having those impressions that things turns out to be always shit and unfair for those who doesnt have money that could settle out or taking up advantage from it.

We know on how corruption and injustice does work where even those complainants or victims are the ones should be clearly be helped but ending up on being dismissed or they dont have sufficient evidence or
make things amicable or something like that.
This is the truth into those things which does have that financial capacity which we could really do whatever we do have in mind or simply using up money
to take advantage.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: nullama on October 31, 2022, 10:59:17 PM
We might know later how this case ends up, but I think he might win it.

Also I think there's a possibility that the company actually had a technical issue, as those things happen, specially at small companies. Although it could well be that they don't want to pay the full sum and that's why they wanted to settle for way less.

At the end of the day, casino operators aren't very happy paying big prizes, they just want to take your money, so they will do anything they can to do so.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on November 01, 2022, 04:51:07 AM
I agree with most of the comments, the lottery company has to pay him. If they have had a problem with the database, it is their problem.

I hope we will have updates on this case, which according to the article will have the next hearing on 21 November. The thing is that trials can take a long time.

But if I were him, I would go all the way. I'm sure they haven't given the money back to the people who didn't win because they had a problem with the database, so in this case, whoever won, should get paid.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Smartprofit on November 01, 2022, 09:51:11 AM
I think he will win it. The fact that the company is offering him money means there is legitimacy in his claim, there must be proofs of his win that's why he won't budge at the offers given to him. Now, the gambling company will have more problems after he wins this case.
Reputation is first. Instead of just paying the man, they took the risk of going this far so now their business will be in danger too.

I have not experienced this yet and I wish to never do.
Why do they do it? Well, when it's about the money anything can be done. But sadly, in this case, they are not looking at long term profits.




It's hard to answer the question of whether this guy will win the lawsuit or not. 

It depends on the country in which this story took place and on the laws in force in that country. 

Sometimes, when filing a lawsuit, the plaintiff is faced with a situation where an online casino or bookmaker is not registered as a legal entity at all or is registered as a legal entity, but with nominee owners and general directors. 

In this case, it may be difficult to file a claim and win a lawsuit.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: peter0425 on November 01, 2022, 09:58:14 AM
The company is trying their  power to push believing the Person/victim will not run far against them, that is why they are settling twice with small amount , but now that they find it serious  , they will use that said amount to fight and win the battle.

in this will be needing a trustworthy court and government because this is a David and Goliath fight that the advantage will always towards the Big or the giant.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Pmalek on November 01, 2022, 10:03:15 AM
If he still has the winning ticket with the drawn numbers, and there is a record of those numbers being drawn on the official website or on TV (I am not sure how that lotto works), he has a case against the organizers. They can claim their software experienced bugs and whatever, they want, if the winner can prove he won, the lotto has got to pay and he will win the court battle.

However, all this takes place in Nigeria. Corruption and fraud isn't unknown there. But that can be said about many other regions. If the court is independent and the judge doesn't get bribed or threatened to rule against the player, he should get his winnings eventually.     


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: fortunecrypto on November 01, 2022, 10:05:44 AM
I agree with most of the comments, the lottery company has to pay him. If they have had a problem with the database, it is their problem.
I also agree anyone you ask will tell you that its not the fault of the bettor its the company's fault for having a defective database

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I hope we will have updates on this case, which according to the article will have the next hearing on 21 November. The thing is that trials can take a long time.
There could be a settlement because the lottery company will lose their reputation and their bettors will dwindle you never do that to your bettor, if they can get away with this they can get away with anything.

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But if I were him, I would go all the way. I'm sure they haven't given the money back to the people who didn't win because they had a problem with the database, so in this case, whoever won, should get paid.
He should, he has a strong case he should teach this lottery company a lesson it's a bad precedent the winner in a lottery should always deserve its prize, any alibi is invalid, especially if it's about a database that is not the fault of the bettor.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: xSkylarx on November 01, 2022, 10:22:06 AM
Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol. From every angle, we see that person would win the case even though the database has been wiped out because the result of it was public no matter what they say. Still, the problem is that if they give some money(the lottery) to the judge(possibly the other side will win) or they will win,  what I am scared of is that due to technical difficulties, the judge will declare that he won the case, but the issue is that the lottery will only give half of the amount.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: AicecreaME on November 01, 2022, 10:53:58 AM
I agree with most of the comments, the lottery company has to pay him. If they have had a problem with the database, it is their problem.

I hope we will have updates on this case, which according to the article will have the next hearing on 21 November. The thing is that trials can take a long time.

But if I were him, I would go all the way. I'm sure they haven't given the money back to the people who didn't win because they had a problem with the database, so in this case, whoever won, should get paid.

Very much agree.

The company must really pay him regardless of the challenging circumstance they are facing. The winning has nothing to do already about the error in the company's datable. It is their responsibility to always double or even triple check their system before and after making a draw to ensure that no unfortunate situation such as this will happen. I believe it is the company's negligence that brought them into the situation. I'm really glad the winner pursued legal action because if he won't it might happen again in the future. It is their duty to fulfill their obligations and pay the winning prize to the winner.

For sure, the winner and now, the complainant has enough evidences to support his claim to reach this far. I really do hope he'll win in the court and make the company pay for his winning prize as well as all the damages done such as wasted time by just filing and taking the necessary actions as well as the emotional stress it brought him. Hopefully, the winner will give us an update about this case because it is really disheartening to know you just won, but turns out you suddenly don't because of some bullshit of the lottery company.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: piebeyb on November 01, 2022, 12:02:19 PM
Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol.
that's why we need a reference from people who are experienced in their fields so that we don't choose the wrong lottery company or online gambling site, I also used to think like that what if I win big can I withdraw the winning money, therefore I always withdraw money even though get a little win because I'm worried that when I win big there will be problems like that


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: michellee on November 01, 2022, 06:31:40 PM
There should be suspicion for the company because how can they run a gambling company if there is a problem with the database in their company? And if there is another trial, I can only imagine that it will not end in the next trial and if that happens, it looks like the company really wants to buy time so that the case doesn't go public again. And if the case sinks because no one picks it up, the company doesn't have to bother to prepare many things or else there will be another diversion of such issues.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: l3pox on November 03, 2022, 02:46:10 PM
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Its exactly these reasons why we need drop centralized gambling and make decentralized gambling (with provably fair, audited protocols) the new norm. Gambling companies think they can get away with everything and its disgusting to see when they do get away with it.

As far as the guy is concerned, I doubt he will be able to win his case unless he has some hard proof which they have not been able to wipe away, quickly. As far as your question to why anyone would take your money and refuse to pay you your winnings, the answer is simple: because they can. And they have absolutely no moral qualms about screwing you over, if they can. But that goes for all businesses, not just gambling.   

dropping centralized gambling for decentralized is a great point, I totally agree
but you think we'll reach a turning point where decentralized becomes bigger than centralized? seems like due to the technical barrier and even some tech things people usually prefer convenience over security and comfort over choosing the best option in terms of fairness.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: BitcoinPanther on November 03, 2022, 04:50:36 PM
I think he will win it. The fact that the company is offering him money means there is legitimacy in his claim, there must be proofs of his win that's why he won't budge at the offers given to him. Now, the gambling company will have more problems after he wins this case.
Reputation is first. Instead of just paying the man, they took the risk of going this far so now their business will be in danger too.

I have not experienced this yet and I wish to never do.
Why do they do it? Well, when it's about the money anything can be done. But sadly, in this case, they are not looking at long term profits.




It's hard to answer the question of whether this guy will win the lawsuit or not. 

Holding the winning ticket (if there is any) is the valid proof.  If the guy kept the ticket for sure there is a huge chance he will win the case

It depends on the country in which this story took place and on the laws in force in that country.

I do not think it depends on the country, i rather think the result will depends on the judge or juries that is holding the case.  If they (judge or juries) can be bought then we know what will happen.

Sometimes, when filing a lawsuit, the plaintiff is faced with a situation where an online casino or bookmaker is not registered as a legal entity at all or is registered as a legal entity, but with nominee owners and general directors. 

In this case, it may be difficult to file a claim and win a lawsuit.

I think the case is very strong, the alibi of the company is too weak and might end up for more than 1 count of offense.
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The agent and Green Lotto were brought to court on June 6, 2022, over alleged stealing of N72,700,000.

They are facing three counts of conspiracy, obtaining under false pretences and stealing, charges preferred against him by the Lagos State Government.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Fatunad on November 03, 2022, 07:56:53 PM
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Its exactly these reasons why we need drop centralized gambling and make decentralized gambling (with provably fair, audited protocols) the new norm. Gambling companies think they can get away with everything and its disgusting to see when they do get away with it.

As far as the guy is concerned, I doubt he will be able to win his case unless he has some hard proof which they have not been able to wipe away, quickly. As far as your question to why anyone would take your money and refuse to pay you your winnings, the answer is simple: because they can. And they have absolutely no moral qualms about screwing you over, if they can. But that goes for all businesses, not just gambling.   

dropping centralized gambling for decentralized is a great point, I totally agree
but you think we'll reach a turning point where decentralized becomes bigger than centralized? seems like due to the technical barrier and even some tech things people usually prefer convenience over security and comfort over choosing the best option in terms of fairness.
Even though lets talk not only limited on gambling sites or platforms but also in exchanges as well.We know that being decentralized is good but there are things which we do actually need for us to be convenient and
easy access on some certain things which we can only find on centralized platforms which its no surprise that it is really getting more users and been preferred compared over security.
We cant deny nor ignore that fact which it is something that we do really need to realize.

Back on topic which getting some legal actions towards these companies about not on paying your winning then it would really be just worth on doing so.
As long you do have the evidences and the winning amount is just worth for you to fight on then dont really be afraid.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: l3pox on November 04, 2022, 01:39:48 PM

dropping centralized gambling for decentralized is a great point, I totally agree
but you think we'll reach a turning point where decentralized becomes bigger than centralized? seems like due to the technical barrier and even some tech things people usually prefer convenience over security and comfort over choosing the best option in terms of fairness.
Even though lets talk not only limited on gambling sites or platforms but also in exchanges as well.We know that being decentralized is good but there are things which we do actually need for us to be convenient and
easy access on some certain things which we can only find on centralized platforms which its no surprise that it is really getting more users and been preferred compared over security.
We cant deny nor ignore that fact which it is something that we do really need to realize.

Back on topic which getting some legal actions towards these companies about not on paying your winning then it would really be just worth on doing so.
As long you do have the evidences and the winning amount is just worth for you to fight on then dont really be afraid.

you are right we should also consider exchanges
the thing is that exchanges have another variable that is not the most important in gambling: liquidity.
before liquidity was a big deal with order books, uniswap pretty much solved it with their pool model, but it's still an issue when it comes to bridging in an out of crypto from fiat.

totally agree to regarding the topic that justice should be on the side of the winners in case they have all the proof for the contests/lotteries


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: EarnOnVictor on November 04, 2022, 01:44:39 PM
Well. lotteries do not make a lot of money. In my experience, lotteries make you lose a lot of money as it's too hard to win in the lottery.
I disagree that lottery companies do not have money, if they don't why are they doing it? This is a business for them and it's a lucrative one as well, which is making them increasingly common these days.

Honestly, as long as the court and the jurisdiction isn't rigged the plaintiff will have a very high chance of winning and possibly earning more than the prize he's supposed to get, given the fact that multiple grievances are put on the name of this website. Goes to show how important it is to know your rights and what you even as an individual is capable of. I could tell you so much about the people in this country losing potential millions of dollars against large corporations and/or businesses just because they are afraid of the power that these companies have, not being aware or insecure about their very own abilities.
I understand the angle from which you are seeing this case, but I believe there is still justice in Nigeria's court in a case like this. No powerful people could intimidate him ian this case. If they had the power, they would have done that before it gets to the court.

The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no.
Never! They will not refund a lost game, but they want to deprive the winner of a won trade. I detest a thing like this, cheating gets me most annoyed.

The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no. A sure should there be any truth to the development of fault by there system, there are those that lost there bets and still can't make any claims on refunds. Hence, its only right that the company pays the customer what he rightly won and stop trying to cut corners. Gambling is a probable stake where you either win or lose and not try to compensate.
Its good his got funds enough to push the case to court and I hope its just enough to sustain the case as long as it would last. Its within his rights and I think he would win.
Yeah, there is some issue. The problem have made the authorities bargain the winning amount settlement at different levels. Now, victim have taken it to the court. Here too he might be offered with certain amount to end the case. I don't know how fair the hearings will take place. This is really bad winning big and unable to get the winning amount.

This is a sad story as we said but I bet that you don't see a case like this in US,Germany or Italy to name a few countries where people win the lottery
They dare not do rubbish with the stated countries, these are sane countries that don't take the rights of their citizens lightly.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Awaklara on November 04, 2022, 02:06:29 PM
I disagree that lottery companies do not have money, if they don't why are they doing it? This is a business for them and it's a lucrative one as well, which is making them increasingly common these days.
That's right, lottery companies do have money to pay for winnings. but they don't want to pay for big wins that might hurt their business finances.

hoping justice will be served, but seeing as how the lottery company has plenty of money to be able to stop the case. hopefully, no bribery case will harm the plaintiff.

Stopping scam practices from casinos or gambling companies is quite difficult. especially when it comes to online casinos. they can close and then create a new online casino again. then cheat again.
just a suggestion, find a really good one and pay. and keep playing there. don't switch to a new one, because a new one doesn't necessarily pay off.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: rahmad2nd on November 04, 2022, 02:48:35 PM
Well. lotteries do not make a lot of money. In my experience, lotteries make you lose a lot of money as it's too hard to win in the lottery.
I disagree that lottery companies do not have money, if they don't why are they doing it? This is a business for them and it's a lucrative one as well, which is making them increasingly common these days.

As far as I know, the lottery gambling business makes a lot of money for these business people. so I'm not sure, if the lottery company is not financially sound. as for this case, I think we should try to be fair in this judgment from both sides.
in @obari's thread, the company refused because the man was allegedly involved in irregularities. here is the link
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

I think this case must be determined from the court results later, how both of them prove it with the evidence they have.
if this man is proven not to have cheated, the lottery company must be willing to pay the money he deserves. however, unfortunately we do not have further information regarding this lottery case.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: CryptoHeadlineNews on November 04, 2022, 03:17:54 PM
Sometimes, when filing a lawsuit, the plaintiff is faced with a situation where an online casino or bookmaker is not registered as a legal entity at all or is registered as a legal entity, but with nominee owners and general directors.  

In this case, it may be difficult to file a claim and win a lawsuit.
But with the way I see this case, for the casino to agree to pay $29,900 out of $169,000 total winning is a sign that the casino must be a registered one, who is scared of not having its license seized because had it been the casino wasn't legit, I doubt if he would have seen a penny. Because for me, this guy has all the right to request his full payment, in as much as he won the game legitimately.

However, this is not the first time me seeing a casino refusing to pay huge winnings, because thou I know some casino has a monthly withdrawal limit of around $10k to $20k, and if that's the case for this casino, they would have equally told the winner and promise to a monthly installmental payment of either $20k for 8 consecutive months, instead of keeping mute.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Strongkored on November 04, 2022, 03:27:40 PM
I think this case must be determined from the court results later, how both of them prove it with the evidence they have.
if this man is proven not to have cheated, the lottery company must be willing to pay the money he deserves. however, unfortunately we do not have further information regarding this lottery case.

Looking at article mentioned by Op November 21 is the continuation of the trial and it can be a long journey for them because the outcome of the trial will definitely not be pleasant for one of the parties so there is a high chance that the losing party will appeal and so on.
I just can't understand how gambling company prove the dishonesty of the winner if they previously said that their database had been wiped out


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: pawanjain on November 04, 2022, 03:40:48 PM
Can this guy win the case?

Yes ofcourse there's a chance, provided he is in a country where judicial system is strong.

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Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?

I haven't personally been through this but I have read other people on this forum who has gone through the same.

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Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?

It's simple, they want to scam you.

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What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
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Raising your voice against them just like how this man has raised his appeal to the court.
This will teach the gambling company a solid lesson.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: 348Judah on November 04, 2022, 03:47:32 PM
The company is trying their  power to push believing the Person/victim will not run far against them, that is why they are settling twice with small amount , but now that they find it serious  , they will use that said amount to fight and win the battle.

in this will be needing a trustworthy court and government because this is a David and Goliath fight that the advantage will always towards the Big or the giant.

I wish to also receive an update about this case on the said date fornthe next trial, if the lawyer is sound and experienced enough it's already a winning case, I've seen people winning case against a government notbto talk of gambling site or casino, though it all requires financial aid but nevertheless the case can also warrant the attraction of additional fine on the casino for the gambler as compensation.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: fullhdpixel on November 05, 2022, 04:41:31 PM
Even though lets talk not only limited on gambling sites or platforms but also in exchanges as well.We know that being decentralized is good but there are things which we do actually need for us to be convenient and
easy access on some certain things which we can only find on centralized platforms which its no surprise that it is really getting more users and been preferred compared over security.
We cant deny nor ignore that fact which it is something that we do really need to realize.

Back on topic which getting some legal actions towards these companies about not on paying your winning then it would really be just worth on doing so.
As long you do have the evidences and the winning amount is just worth for you to fight on then dont really be afraid.
If only in terms of convenience then decentralized platforms can win because there is no sign up functions on them or KYC but you can just connect your wallet, verify the connection and you're good to go. It is also more safer because once we are done, we can disconnect our wallet along with our funds. Not unlike to a centralized platform where it's possible for users to leave their funds there and what if the platform turn into a scam later on? Or what if they will be hacked?

You will easily lose your funds that way. On topic, the excuse made by the lottery company looks so funny. Wipe out? When the results are already out in public. The guy can easily win the case as long as he have the winning ticket.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: piebeyb on November 06, 2022, 09:43:43 AM
I just can't understand how gambling company prove the dishonesty of the winner if they previously said that their database had been wiped out
that means there is no evidence that the gambling company can show in court later if their database is deleted, the possibility that the winner of this case may win in court if he can't show strong evidence from the gambling company, this is an opportunity where the winner can show solid evidence against that gambling company


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: l3pox on November 08, 2022, 08:20:15 PM
I just can't understand how gambling company prove the dishonesty of the winner if they previously said that their database had been wiped out
that means there is no evidence that the gambling company can show in court later if their database is deleted, the possibility that the winner of this case may win in court if he can't show strong evidence from the gambling company, this is an opportunity where the winner can show solid evidence against that gambling company

how often a database is wiped clean nowadays?
seems like something quite rare

would probably count against the company in court, not in favour.

but you are right, the winner should have at least some evidence that they really won.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: nullama on November 09, 2022, 02:53:00 AM
~snip~
how often a database is wiped clean nowadays?
seems like something quite rare

would probably count against the company in court, not in favour.

but you are right, the winner should have at least some evidence that they really won.

Maybe it was a mistake?, those things do happen from time to time at places where things are not run up to standard.

But there's also the possibility of them just not wanting to pay up, which sounds horrible really.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on November 09, 2022, 05:49:53 AM
It's hard to answer the question of whether this guy will win the lawsuit or not. 

It depends on the country in which this story took place and on the laws in force in that country. 

Sometimes, when filing a lawsuit, the plaintiff is faced with a situation where an online casino or bookmaker is not registered as a legal entity at all or is registered as a legal entity, but with nominee owners and general directors. 

In this case, it may be difficult to file a claim and win a lawsuit.

  - Do you mean the lottery may be operating under the jurisdiction of the government illegally? Because as far as I know, as long as you hold the ticket, the complainant has a high chance of winning. Although you have a point in what you mentioned dude.

But I agree with the complainant that the lottery appears to be legitimate, but I agree with you that no one knows what the outcome of that case could be between the winner and the lottery company.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: xSkylarx on November 09, 2022, 08:25:29 AM
It's hard to answer the question of whether this guy will win the lawsuit or not. 

It depends on the country in which this story took place and on the laws in force in that country. 

Sometimes, when filing a lawsuit, the plaintiff is faced with a situation where an online casino or bookmaker is not registered as a legal entity at all or is registered as a legal entity, but with nominee owners and general directors. 

In this case, it may be difficult to file a claim and win a lawsuit.

  - Do you mean the lottery may be operating under the jurisdiction of the government illegally? Because as far as I know, as long as you hold the ticket, the complainant has a high chance of winning. Although you have a point in what you mentioned dude.

But I agree with the complainant that the lottery appears to be legitimate, but I agree with you that no one knows what the outcome of that case could be between the winner and the lottery company.


If it is done illegally, he can close it, but again, getting back the money he won is very difficult. That is mostly the case if the lottery is not government-regulated. When I was a child, I heard from my parents' friends that if someone won $200k, the lottery owner would say they didn't have money because they had gone bankrupt. Then they would close the lottery store, but the problem is that it is not legal, it is illegally put up, and people are aware of it, so my parents' friends didn't get anything, and the lottery store in our neighborhood closed down.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Cookdata on November 09, 2022, 08:34:16 AM
Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol. From every angle, we see that person would win the case even though the database has been wiped out because the result of it was public no matter what they say. Still, the problem is that if they give some money(the lottery) to the judge(possibly the other side will win) or they will win,  what I am scared of is that due to technical difficulties, the judge will declare that he won the case, but the issue is that the lottery will only give half of the amount.

Except it occurs in a nation where the law is not effectively implemented! Looking at this case, it occurred in Nigeria, and because the player did not have enough money to sue the gambling house, he may lose the case since the judge may be easily influenced by money by gambling owners, but if it is a country where nonsense is not tolerated, trust me, they will pay that money, as well as other damages and for lying that the games were not recorded on their database. As far as I'm concerned, this case will likely finish with the player being compensated and accepting the loss, sometimes we are deceived because of our limited strength.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: l3pox on November 09, 2022, 06:51:21 PM
~snip~
how often a database is wiped clean nowadays?
seems like something quite rare

would probably count against the company in court, not in favour.

but you are right, the winner should have at least some evidence that they really won.

Maybe it was a mistake?, those things do happen from time to time at places where things are not run up to standard.

But there's also the possibility of them just not wanting to pay up, which sounds horrible really.

could be but it sounds really suspicious

indeed, it's an horrible situation
the classical case where a company prefers short term gain instead of staying in business and earning much more on the long run
makes no sense..


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Lida93 on November 09, 2022, 07:19:52 PM
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
There a some gambling sites that are new in the business and don't have the financial wherewithall to pay a heavy and huge winning due to their infancy in the business only hoping that accumulation could be gotten from gamblers losses to meet up in building their financial strength but it becomes u fortunate for them when a huge win is what they experience as against what their plans were. This could be one reason why certain gambling sites shy away from paying him get amounts but rather elope or form one excuses.

Another could be that it was fraud intended from the start of it, and they probably might go at loss should they payout such huge amount so they resort to extinction of such site.

My advise is that gamblers should try get knowledge of the history of certain gambling site they engaged with and their reputation in the past years, etc.
It will really keep you away from such ugly experience. For we app know how painful losing money to gambling , and then the joy of winning after many loss and someone is trying to deny you of it.
It's really painful.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Lida93 on November 09, 2022, 07:31:28 PM
Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol. From every angle, we see that person would win the case even though the database has been wiped out because the result of it was public no matter what they say. Still, the problem is that if they give some money(the lottery) to the judge(possibly the other side will win) or they will win,  what I am scared of is that due to technical difficulties, the judge will declare that he won the case, but the issue is that the lottery will only give half of the amount.

Except it occurs in a nation where the law is not effectively implemented! Looking at this case, it occurred in Nigeria, and because the player did not have enough money to sue the gambling house, he may lose the case since the judge may be easily influenced by money by gambling owners, but if it is a country where nonsense is not tolerated, trust me, they will pay that money, as well as other damages and for lying that the games were not recorded on their database. As far as I'm concerned, this case will likely finish with the player being compensated and accepting the loss, sometimes we are deceived because of our limited strength.
You may have your reasons subjective to yourself which probably might necessitate your diction but in a global setting as this I'll appreciate you give some regards to your nationality, it wasn't necessary mentioning name for no country is law perfected and corrupt free.
Nigeria is not the only country with corrupt judiciary or leaders. We are a great nation with great people.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: l3pox on November 10, 2022, 12:33:27 PM
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
There a some gambling sites that are new in the business and don't have the financial wherewithall to pay a heavy and huge winning due to their infancy in the business only hoping that accumulation could be gotten from gamblers losses to meet up in building their financial strength but it becomes u fortunate for them when a huge win is what they experience as against what their plans were. This could be one reason why certain gambling sites shy away from paying him get amounts but rather elope or form one excuses.

Another could be that it was fraud intended from the start of it, and they probably might go at loss should they payout such huge amount so they resort to extinction of such site.

My advise is that gamblers should try get knowledge of the history of certain gambling site they engaged with and their reputation in the past years, etc.
It will really keep you away from such ugly experience. For we app know how painful losing money to gambling , and then the joy of winning after many loss and someone is trying to deny you of it.
It's really painful.

yes, in these cases better to stay with reliable websites, or only test new waters knowing that you may not have a return from your gambles

but the thing is that on OP's case seems like this was an existing lottery irl, not virtual, right?
this makes a totally different situation.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on November 10, 2022, 12:45:57 PM
If it is done illegally, he can close it, but again, getting back the money he won is very difficult. That is mostly the case if the lottery is not government-regulated. When I was a child, I heard from my parents' friends that if someone won $200k, the lottery owner would say they didn't have money because they had gone bankrupt. Then they would close the lottery store, but the problem is that it is not legal, it is illegally put up, and people are aware of it, so my parents' friends didn't get anything, and the lottery store in our neighborhood closed down.

  - I get your point on this matter Sir, there are others like gambling platforms that can be their modus operandi, even in the lottery as in OP's story, if the investigation shows that the lottery is illegal, it will appear that the winner has no chance what he won.

Now as you said Sir, I also met someone who was a former secretary of an MLM(multi-level marketing) he told me that the company collected millions of funds and promised a high return, but in the end, nothing came back, now everything invested has complained because they wanted to recover their capital what the owner of the MLM company did was declare bankruptcy and the investors did nothing. It's just sad to think about and I just hope the lottery is legal so OP has a claim.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: AicecreaME on November 10, 2022, 01:06:36 PM
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?
There a some gambling sites that are new in the business and don't have the financial wherewithall to pay a heavy and huge winning due to their infancy in the business only hoping that accumulation could be gotten from gamblers losses to meet up in building their financial strength but it becomes u fortunate for them when a huge win is what they experience as against what their plans were. This could be one reason why certain gambling sites shy away from paying him get amounts but rather elope or form one excuses.

Another could be that it was fraud intended from the start of it, and they probably might go at loss should they payout such huge amount so they resort to extinction of such site.

My advise is that gamblers should try get knowledge of the history of certain gambling site they engaged with and their reputation in the past years, etc.
It will really keep you away from such ugly experience. For we app know how painful losing money to gambling , and then the joy of winning after many loss and someone is trying to deny you of it.
It's really painful.

yes, in these cases better to stay with reliable websites, or only test new waters knowing that you may not have a return from your gambles

but the thing is that on OP's case seems like this was an existing lottery irl, not virtual, right?
this makes a totally different situation.

As far as my mind can comprehend this thread, OP is talking about an actual lottery and not really from an online website which is why it's painful knowing that you've won, but won't really get to enjoy your winning prize because of some sort of issue.

It's not really OP's fault that the company had glitch on their database resulting to wipe out of their crucial information. Because they should have a back up in the first place and make their security tight so that inconvenience like this won't happen. This could be some form of assurance for them too not only for the players. Really do hoping we'll get an update from the process of this case.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: l3pox on November 11, 2022, 02:35:46 PM
<...>

As far as my mind can comprehend this thread, OP is talking about an actual lottery and not really from an online website which is why it's painful knowing that you've won, but won't really get to enjoy your winning prize because of some sort of issue.

It's not really OP's fault that the company had glitch on their database resulting to wipe out of their crucial information. Because they should have a back up in the first place and make their security tight so that inconvenience like this won't happen. This could be some form of assurance for them too not only for the players. Really do hoping we'll get an update from the process of this case.

supposing the company story about having a glitch on the database is true, how come this would be a problem? they wouldn't be able to verify if the winner is legit?

Am I the only one who think "glitch in the database" really looks like these stories of people "losing their private keys on boating accidents"?


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Cling18 on November 11, 2022, 03:30:21 PM
<...>

As far as my mind can comprehend this thread, OP is talking about an actual lottery and not really from an online website which is why it's painful knowing that you've won, but won't really get to enjoy your winning prize because of some sort of issue.

It's not really OP's fault that the company had glitch on their database resulting to wipe out of their crucial information. Because they should have a back up in the first place and make their security tight so that inconvenience like this won't happen. This could be some form of assurance for them too not only for the players. Really do hoping we'll get an update from the process of this case.

supposing the company story about having a glitch on the database is true, how come this would be a problem? they wouldn't be able to verify if the winner is legit?

Am I the only one who think "glitch in the database" really looks like these stories of people "losing their private keys on boating accidents"?
That's possible but it's their recklessness if they won't have a backup to avoid incidents like this. If they won't secure their database, then more players would experience the same thing which is really unfair for they have spent funds just to win such an amount.
I think the complainant will win the case and has provided enough evidence because he has the guts to reject their offer and push through with the case. If he has all the evidence, then it's a good move to fight for his right and this will also serve the casino a lesson. If I were them, if there were enough funds to pay the gambler, I would pay him so the case scenario won't get worse which can affect their reputation.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: 348Judah on November 11, 2022, 03:58:35 PM
Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol. From every angle, we see that person would win the case even though the database has been wiped out because the result of it was public no matter what they say. Still, the problem is that if they give some money(the lottery) to the judge(possibly the other side will win) or they will win,  what I am scared of is that due to technical difficulties, the judge will declare that he won the case, but the issue is that the lottery will only give half of the amount.

Except it occurs in a nation where the law is not effectively implemented! Looking at this case, it occurred in Nigeria, and because the player did not have enough money to sue the gambling house, he may lose the case since the judge may be easily influenced by money by gambling owners, but if it is a country where nonsense is not tolerated, trust me, they will pay that money, as well as other damages and for lying that the games were not recorded on their database. As far as I'm concerned, this case will likely finish with the player being compensated and accepting the loss, sometimes we are deceived because of our limited strength.

Well let's assume there are countries whose human rights were not considered with utmost priority to be fought for especially in cases like this when one individual is challenged by the other through oppression and this one one of the typical reasons you got the gamblers in retaliation to what they have experienced in the past when the government regulations guiding this isn't effective especially with gambling.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: maydna on November 11, 2022, 04:18:10 PM
Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol. From every angle, we see that person would win the case even though the database has been wiped out because the result of it was public no matter what they say. Still, the problem is that if they give some money(the lottery) to the judge(possibly the other side will win) or they will win,  what I am scared of is that due to technical difficulties, the judge will declare that he won the case, but the issue is that the lottery will only give half of the amount.

Except it occurs in a nation where the law is not effectively implemented! Looking at this case, it occurred in Nigeria, and because the player did not have enough money to sue the gambling house, he may lose the case since the judge may be easily influenced by money by gambling owners, but if it is a country where nonsense is not tolerated, trust me, they will pay that money, as well as other damages and for lying that the games were not recorded on their database. As far as I'm concerned, this case will likely finish with the player being compensated and accepting the loss, sometimes we are deceived because of our limited strength.

Well let's assume there are countries whose human rights were not considered with utmost priority to be fought for especially in cases like this when one individual is challenged by the other through oppression and this one one of the typical reasons you got the gamblers in retaliation to what they have experienced in the past when the government regulations guiding this isn't effective especially with gambling.
Lucky for that person if he really lives in a country that stands up for human rights and helps solve the problems that occur in his country because in such a case, that person will have a chance to win, and the casino will have to pay for that person's victory. But if not, that person will have to spend a lot of money to win in court because their opponent is a casino with a lot of money and can do a lot for that person. But the casino has given a ridiculous excuse saying that their database has been deleted.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: EarnOnVictor on November 11, 2022, 05:08:52 PM
The company is trying their  power to push believing the Person/victim will not run far against them, that is why they are settling twice with small amount , but now that they find it serious  , they will use that said amount to fight and win the battle.

in this will be needing a trustworthy court and government because this is a David and Goliath fight that the advantage will always towards the Big or the giant.

I wish to also receive an update about this case on the said date fornthe next trial, if the lawyer is sound and experienced enough it's already a winning case, I've seen people winning case against a government notbto talk of gambling site or casino, though it all requires financial aid but nevertheless the case can also warrant the attraction of additional fine on the casino for the gambler as compensation.
I will try to follow the court proceedings about the case, it is worth it. However, the last meeting in court was in late October, and it looks like the company (Green Lotto) is ready to make its case. It claimed it was an error and that they had deleted similar cases before without any issues.

On that ground, they pleaded "Not guilty" to the charges preferred against them. The judge had adjourned the case to a date I can't remember now, but will further update you on the stance as it unfolds.

Well. lotteries do not make a lot of money. In my experience, lotteries make you lose a lot of money as it's too hard to win in the lottery.
I disagree that lottery companies do not have money, if they don't why are they doing it? This is a business for them and it's a lucrative one as well, which is making them increasingly common these days.

As far as I know, the lottery gambling business makes a lot of money for these business people. so I'm not sure, if the lottery company is not financially sound. as for this case, I think we should try to be fair in this judgment from both sides.
in @obari's thread, the company refused because the man was allegedly involved in irregularities. here is the link
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

I think this case must be determined from the court results later, how both of them prove it with the evidence they have.
if this man is proven not to have cheated, the lottery company must be willing to pay the money he deserves. however, unfortunately we do not have further information regarding this lottery case.
The lotto company is not small, so it has the money to pay but just making excuses. Truly, they claimed irregularities, how? Did the guy go and manipulate their games internally or what? We would find out later.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: deathcode on November 11, 2022, 05:52:43 PM
<...>

As far as my mind can comprehend this thread, OP is talking about an actual lottery and not really from an online website which is why it's painful knowing that you've won, but won't really get to enjoy your winning prize because of some sort of issue.

It's not really OP's fault that the company had glitch on their database resulting to wipe out of their crucial information. Because they should have a back up in the first place and make their security tight so that inconvenience like this won't happen. This could be some form of assurance for them too not only for the players. Really do hoping we'll get an update from the process of this case.

supposing the company story about having a glitch on the database is true, how come this would be a problem? they wouldn't be able to verify if the winner is legit?

Am I the only one who think "glitch in the database" really looks like these stories of people "losing their private keys on boating accidents"?
That's possible but it's their recklessness if they won't have a backup to avoid incidents like this. If they won't secure their database, then more players would experience the same thing which is really unfair for they have spent funds just to win such an amount.
I think the complainant will win the case and has provided enough evidence because he has the guts to reject their offer and push through with the case. If he has all the evidence, then it's a good move to fight for his right and this will also serve the casino a lesson. If I were them, if there were enough funds to pay the gambler, I would pay him so the case scenario won't get worse which can affect their reputation.

Well hopefully the complainant will win the case, but we know he's had several offers from the company and from the national gambling board to stop his reporting.
It's an indication that maybe he's not just dealing with a small casino but dealing with something or a bigger group and has money and power.
I think there might be some manipulation done to stop or possibly beat the complainant on her lawsuit.
We all know that money and power can regulate the laws that are running according to their will.
Hope justice goes well there and hopefully indeed he is with the right team to win this case and will fully accept his dues.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Cookdata on November 13, 2022, 01:36:46 PM
You may have your reasons subjective to yourself which probably might necessitate your diction but in a global setting as this I'll appreciate you give some regards to your nationality, it wasn't necessary mentioning name for no country is law perfected and corrupt free.
Nigeria is not the only country with corrupt judiciary or leaders. We are a great nation with great people.

Before you become emotional with my comments, it became an open discussion the moment I see the quote below:

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

It was open for further reading for everyone, now tell me where it has become a crime to mention the country and besides, where are the lies in my statement? This wouldn't happen in a developed country considering the fact that is gambling within its jurisdiction. If you followed up on the investigations, you would agree with me that they are only trying to reap the player and they are trying to bribe him because they will lose so much amount of money.

If you really gamble, I hope you don't become a victim because you will do worse if you have ever lost a game to a gambling vendor, keep the nationality brouhaha and let's say some facts.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Wakate on November 13, 2022, 02:11:30 PM
I just can't understand how gambling company prove the dishonesty of the winner if they previously said that their database had been wiped out
that means there is no evidence that the gambling company can show in court later if their database is deleted, the possibility that the winner of this case may win in court if he can't show strong evidence from the gambling company, this is an opportunity where the winner can show solid evidence against that gambling company

how often a database is wiped clean nowadays?
seems like something quite rare

would probably count against the company in court, not in favour.

but you are right, the winner should have at least some evidence that they really won.
It is so disheartened to read this news that looks very suspicious that the gambling platform purposely wipe out their data base so that the gambler will not get the full money that was won. This is will take time before full judgement will take place against the platform that refused to pay the necessary fund.
This is why we need to be very careful on the kind of platform we make bets because some casinos do have a scamming attempt to refuse payment for winners especially when the fund is big.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: EarnOnVictor on November 13, 2022, 03:43:50 PM
You may have your reasons subjective to yourself which probably might necessitate your diction but in a global setting as this I'll appreciate you give some regards to your nationality, it wasn't necessary mentioning name for no country is law perfected and corrupt free.
Nigeria is not the only country with corrupt judiciary or leaders. We are a great nation with great people.

Before you become emotional with my comments, it became an open discussion the moment I see the quote below:

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

It was open for further reading for everyone, now tell me where it has become a crime to mention the country and besides, where are the lies in my statement? This wouldn't happen in a developed country considering the fact that is gambling within its jurisdiction. If you followed up on the investigations, you would agree with me that they are only trying to reap the player and they are trying to bribe him because they will lose so much amount of money.

If you really gamble, I hope you don't become a victim because you will do worse if you have ever lost a game to a gambling vendor, keep the nationality brouhaha and let's say some facts.
I don't expect anyone to take anything personally here, @Lida93 is making it looks different with the tone of the reply. I am also a Nigerian, and what? I should not say the truth anymore? Well, I will always spit things out the way they are and call a spade what it is, not call blue a red.

A lot is happening there that is an abomination elsewhere, especially in the developed countries. Aside from all that, can the lottery company try that rubbish of not paying the guy in Europe or the US? Even the attempt to bribe him for his winning would have put them in real trouble. Let alone that government officials were involved in the bribery. Let's be realistic.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: QueenVera on November 15, 2022, 04:30:36 PM
There are 85 percentage chances of that guy winning the case if he has a good and competent legal practitioner and if the judge will be fair enough. I really don't see reasons why most casinos act this why and try to rub gamblers of their winnings and it is really bad.

Data been wiped off their system isn't the players fault but rather their fault and it's their problem to deal with as long as his winning slip is still with him.
But why will they offer to pay him such amount of money at different instances when if they know and certain he never win.
I think he has more chances of winning the case



Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: l3pox on November 15, 2022, 04:59:04 PM
<...>

As far as my mind can comprehend this thread, OP is talking about an actual lottery and not really from an online website which is why it's painful knowing that you've won, but won't really get to enjoy your winning prize because of some sort of issue.

It's not really OP's fault that the company had glitch on their database resulting to wipe out of their crucial information. Because they should have a back up in the first place and make their security tight so that inconvenience like this won't happen. This could be some form of assurance for them too not only for the players. Really do hoping we'll get an update from the process of this case.

supposing the company story about having a glitch on the database is true, how come this would be a problem? they wouldn't be able to verify if the winner is legit?

Am I the only one who think "glitch in the database" really looks like these stories of people "losing their private keys on boating accidents"?
That's possible but it's their recklessness if they won't have a backup to avoid incidents like this. If they won't secure their database, then more players would experience the same thing which is really unfair for they have spent funds just to win such an amount.
I think the complainant will win the case and has provided enough evidence because he has the guts to reject their offer and push through with the case. If he has all the evidence, then it's a good move to fight for his right and this will also serve the casino a lesson. If I were them, if there were enough funds to pay the gambler, I would pay him so the case scenario won't get worse which can affect their reputation.

exactly
reputation could take months to years to build but can be destroyed in a couple days
the case we're seeing with SBF/FTX is an example of that
in one week it was ruined (maybe a couple months if you consider it started with Luna's colapse)

if the lottery is reliable and has the money to do it they should pay and stay in businnes


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: harizen on November 15, 2022, 08:47:18 PM
There are 85 percentage chances of that guy winning the case if he has a good and competent legal practitioner and if the judge will be fair enough. I really don't see reasons why most casinos act this why and try to rub gamblers of their winnings and it is really bad.

Data been wiped off their system isn't the players fault but rather their fault and it's their problem to deal with as long as his winning slip is still with him.
But why will they offer to pay him such amount of money at different instances when if they know and certain he never win.
I think he has more chances of winning the case

The fact that the lottery tried to bribe the winner, should be an obvious attempt that there's a clear anomaly here. However, the article is not complete if that said bribe incident is proven to be true. Of course, the lottery will claim it's not true I doubt too that they will consider that as that will ruin their famous reputation. But again, we don't know the truth.

We really don't know what's the real score between the two parties as we only rely on the details mentioned in the article. Almost a month since this news was posted, requesting for OP if he can found some additional progressing development about this story.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: dunfida on November 15, 2022, 09:15:34 PM
I just can't understand how gambling company prove the dishonesty of the winner if they previously said that their database had been wiped out
that means there is no evidence that the gambling company can show in court later if their database is deleted, the possibility that the winner of this case may win in court if he can't show strong evidence from the gambling company, this is an opportunity where the winner can show solid evidence against that gambling company

how often a database is wiped clean nowadays?
seems like something quite rare

would probably count against the company in court, not in favour.

but you are right, the winner should have at least some evidence that they really won.
It is so disheartened to read this news that looks very suspicious that the gambling platform purposely wipe out their data base so that the gambler will not get the full money that was won. This is will take time before full judgement will take place against the platform that refused to pay the necessary fund.
This is why we need to be very careful on the kind of platform we make bets because some casinos do have a scamming attempt to refuse payment for winners especially when the fund is big.
The key here is that its always been ideal and sticking into reputable or known gambling site or platforms which you could make bets is into those which are popular which you could really be having the confidence that

you would really be get paid in case you do hit up big wins.I dont know on why there are really people who do really touch up non popular gambling sites or betting sites if we do have currently which are known
and popular.If the said amount pending is big then you could really be able to file some legal actions but if evidences arent strong enough then it would really be sadly be ignored.

This is why some people do end up on suicide because of the huge money involved and able to go into other extreme means due to desperation.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Vaskiy on November 15, 2022, 10:42:59 PM
There are 85 percentage chances of that guy winning the case if he has a good and competent legal practitioner and if the judge will be fair enough. I really don't see reasons why most casinos act this why and try to rub gamblers of their winnings and it is really bad.

Data been wiped off their system isn't the players fault but rather their fault and it's their problem to deal with as long as his winning slip is still with him.
But why will they offer to pay him such amount of money at different instances when if they know and certain he never win.
I think he has more chances of winning the case

The fact that the lottery tried to bribe the winner, should be an obvious attempt that there's a clear anomaly here. However, the article is not complete if that said bribe incident is proven to be true. Of course, the lottery will claim it's not true I doubt too that they will consider that as that will ruin their famous reputation. But again, we don't know the truth.

We really don't know what's the real score between the two parties as we only rely on the details mentioned in the article. Almost a month since this news was posted, requesting for OP if he can found some additional progressing development about this story.
There is no progress information posted. If the judiciary have made the proper investigation, then this needs to be a win for the person who have won the lottery. To keep the reputation the platform will surely try to bribe the judicial system. In that point this will be in favour of the gambling house. Data recovery isn't a big thing, with experts it can be done. Thing is that, whether the judiciary system allows it or show interest on it.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: STT on November 15, 2022, 11:12:26 PM
Strange case, he needs a specialist lawyer who might argue the fine detail on this one but extreme wins can upset the expected cash flow in a game which is a problem for any operation.  Not sure why it would be his fault at all or allowable by the rules and conditions of the game but also its hard to argue as just one voice.  It could be more complicated then it appears, I would not have the guts and would have given into the offers but also I would not play there or maybe anywhere for that game again tbh.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Wakate on November 15, 2022, 11:37:29 PM
Strange case, he needs a specialist lawyer who might argue the fine detail on this one but extreme wins can upset the expected cash flow in a game which is a problem for any operation.  Not sure why it would be his fault at all or allowable by the rules and conditions of the game but also its hard to argue as just one voice.  It could be more complicated then it appears, I would not have the guts and would have given into the offers but also I would not play there or maybe anywhere for that game again tbh.
This is a big case and the person should not take the case easily with such casinos. Many casinos are found of not paying gamblers and this is very bad. I know this is not there first time of depriving winners of their funds and I am happy if the person which is the gambler finally win the case.

This is one of the reasons why we need to look for a reputable casinos that has good history for a very long time of paying gamblers their winnings. It this continues it will become an habit for this kind of casino to always keep gamblers winnings if they are not able to take it legally.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: chaser15 on November 15, 2022, 11:52:52 PM
There are 85 percentage chances of that guy winning the case if he has a good and competent legal practitioner and if the judge will be fair enough. I really don't see reasons why most casinos act this why and try to rub gamblers of their winnings and it is really bad.

Data been wiped off their system isn't the players fault but rather their fault and it's their problem to deal with as long as his winning slip is still with him.
But why will they offer to pay him such amount of money at different instances when if they know and certain he never win.
I think he has more chances of winning the case

The fact that the lottery tried to bribe the winner, should be an obvious attempt that there's a clear anomaly here. However, the article is not complete if that said bribe incident is proven to be true. Of course, the lottery will claim it's not true I doubt too that they will consider that as that will ruin their famous reputation. But again, we don't know the truth.

We really don't know what's the real score between the two parties as we only rely on the details mentioned in the article. Almost a month since this news was posted, requesting for OP if he can found some additional progressing development about this story.
There is no progress information posted. If the judiciary have made the proper investigation, then this needs to be a win for the person who have won the lottery. To keep the reputation the platform will surely try to bribe the judicial system. In that point this will be in favour of the gambling house. Data recovery isn't a big thing, with experts it can be done. Thing is that, whether the judiciary system allows it or show interest on it.

If we speculate things with only the details in the article, yes, the winner of the lottery should win the case.

First, it's the lottery's fault that made the mistake.
Second, they tried to bribe the winner

If these 2 things are proven true by the court, then the winner is supposedly enjoying his winnings now.


Title: Re: A disheartening true life winning story
Post by: Free Market Capitalist on November 16, 2022, 04:35:23 AM
According to the article, in 5 days will be the next hearing, and I hope we will have news of what happens, although trials can drag on for a long time and maybe nothing relevant will happen.

I also believe like most who have commented that the lottery winner has everything to win the trial before the Lagos lottery company, although in matters of law you can never take anything for granted. In any case, if the company had a problem with its system, the user does not have to pay for it.