A disheartening true life winning story

[Smartprofit]

I think he will win it. The fact that the company is offering him money means there is legitimacy in his claim, there must be proofs of his win that's why he won't budge at the offers given to him. Now, the gambling company will have more problems after he wins this case.
Reputation is first. Instead of just paying the man, they took the risk of going this far so now their business will be in danger too.

I have not experienced this yet and I wish to never do.
Why do they do it? Well, when it's about the money anything can be done. But sadly, in this case, they are not looking at long term profits.

It's hard to answer the question of whether this guy will win the lawsuit or not. 

It depends on the country in which this story took place and on the laws in force in that country. 

Sometimes, when filing a lawsuit, the plaintiff is faced with a situation where an online casino or bookmaker is not registered as a legal entity at all or is registered as a legal entity, but with nominee owners and general directors. 

In this case, it may be difficult to file a claim and win a lawsuit.

[peter0425]

The company is trying their  power to push believing the Person/victim will not run far against them, that is why they are settling twice with small amount , but now that they find it serious  , they will use that said amount to fight and win the battle.

in this will be needing a trustworthy court and government because this is a David and Goliath fight that the advantage will always towards the Big or the giant.

[Pmalek]

If he still has the winning ticket with the drawn numbers, and there is a record of those numbers being drawn on the official website or on TV (I am not sure how that lotto works), he has a case against the organizers. They can claim their software experienced bugs and whatever, they want, if the winner can prove he won, the lotto has got to pay and he will win the court battle.

However, all this takes place in Nigeria. Corruption and fraud isn't unknown there. But that can be said about many other regions. If the court is independent and the judge doesn't get bribed or threatened to rule against the player, he should get his winnings eventually.     

[fortunecrypto]

I agree with most of the comments, the lottery company has to pay him. If they have had a problem with the database, it is their problem.

I also agree anyone you ask will tell you that its not the fault of the bettor its the company's fault for having a defective database

I hope we will have updates on this case, which according to the article will have the next hearing on 21 November. The thing is that trials can take a long time.

There could be a settlement because the lottery company will lose their reputation and their bettors will dwindle you never do that to your bettor, if they can get away with this they can get away with anything.

But if I were him, I would go all the way. I'm sure they haven't given the money back to the people who didn't win because they had a problem with the database, so in this case, whoever won, should get paid.

He should, he has a strong case he should teach this lottery company a lesson it's a bad precedent the winner in a lottery should always deserve its prize, any alibi is invalid, especially if it's about a database that is not the fault of the bettor.

[xSkylarx]

Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol. From every angle, we see that person would win the case even though the database has been wiped out because the result of it was public no matter what they say. Still, the problem is that if they give some money(the lottery) to the judge(possibly the other side will win) or they will win,  what I am scared of is that due to technical difficulties, the judge will declare that he won the case, but the issue is that the lottery will only give half of the amount.

[AicecreaME]

I agree with most of the comments, the lottery company has to pay him. If they have had a problem with the database, it is their problem.

I hope we will have updates on this case, which according to the article will have the next hearing on 21 November. The thing is that trials can take a long time.

But if I were him, I would go all the way. I'm sure they haven't given the money back to the people who didn't win because they had a problem with the database, so in this case, whoever won, should get paid.

Very much agree.

The company must really pay him regardless of the challenging circumstance they are facing. The winning has nothing to do already about the error in the company's datable. It is their responsibility to always double or even triple check their system before and after making a draw to ensure that no unfortunate situation such as this will happen. I believe it is the company's negligence that brought them into the situation. I'm really glad the winner pursued legal action because if he won't it might happen again in the future. It is their duty to fulfill their obligations and pay the winning prize to the winner.

For sure, the winner and now, the complainant has enough evidences to support his claim to reach this far. I really do hope he'll win in the court and make the company pay for his winning prize as well as all the damages done such as wasted time by just filing and taking the necessary actions as well as the emotional stress it brought him. Hopefully, the winner will give us an update about this case because it is really disheartening to know you just won, but turns out you suddenly don't because of some bullshit of the lottery company.

[piebeyb]

Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol.

that's why we need a reference from people who are experienced in their fields so that we don't choose the wrong lottery company or online gambling site, I also used to think like that what if I win big can I withdraw the winning money, therefore I always withdraw money even though get a little win because I'm worried that when I win big there will be problems like that

[michellee]

There should be suspicion for the company because how can they run a gambling company if there is a problem with the database in their company? And if there is another trial, I can only imagine that it will not end in the next trial and if that happens, it looks like the company really wants to buy time so that the case doesn't go public again. And if the case sinks because no one picks it up, the company doesn't have to bother to prepare many things or else there will be another diversion of such issues.

[l3pox]

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Its exactly these reasons why we need drop centralized gambling and make decentralized gambling (with provably fair, audited protocols) the new norm. Gambling companies think they can get away with everything and its disgusting to see when they do get away with it.

As far as the guy is concerned, I doubt he will be able to win his case unless he has some hard proof which they have not been able to wipe away, quickly. As far as your question to why anyone would take your money and refuse to pay you your winnings, the answer is simple: because they can. And they have absolutely no moral qualms about screwing you over, if they can. But that goes for all businesses, not just gambling.   

dropping centralized gambling for decentralized is a great point, I totally agree
but you think we'll reach a turning point where decentralized becomes bigger than centralized? seems like due to the technical barrier and even some tech things people usually prefer convenience over security and comfort over choosing the best option in terms of fairness.

[BitcoinPanther]

I think he will win it. The fact that the company is offering him money means there is legitimacy in his claim, there must be proofs of his win that's why he won't budge at the offers given to him. Now, the gambling company will have more problems after he wins this case.
Reputation is first. Instead of just paying the man, they took the risk of going this far so now their business will be in danger too.

I have not experienced this yet and I wish to never do.
Why do they do it? Well, when it's about the money anything can be done. But sadly, in this case, they are not looking at long term profits.

It's hard to answer the question of whether this guy will win the lawsuit or not. 

Holding the winning ticket (if there is any) is the valid proof.  If the guy kept the ticket for sure there is a huge chance he will win the case

It depends on the country in which this story took place and on the laws in force in that country.

I do not think it depends on the country, i rather think the result will depends on the judge or juries that is holding the case.  If they (judge or juries) can be bought then we know what will happen.

Sometimes, when filing a lawsuit, the plaintiff is faced with a situation where an online casino or bookmaker is not registered as a legal entity at all or is registered as a legal entity, but with nominee owners and general directors. 

In this case, it may be difficult to file a claim and win a lawsuit.

I think the case is very strong, the alibi of the company is too weak and might end up for more than 1 count of offense.

The agent and Green Lotto were brought to court on June 6, 2022, over alleged stealing of N72,700,000.

They are facing three counts of conspiracy, obtaining under false pretences and stealing, charges preferred against him by the Lagos State Government.

[Fatunad]

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Its exactly these reasons why we need drop centralized gambling and make decentralized gambling (with provably fair, audited protocols) the new norm. Gambling companies think they can get away with everything and its disgusting to see when they do get away with it.

As far as the guy is concerned, I doubt he will be able to win his case unless he has some hard proof which they have not been able to wipe away, quickly. As far as your question to why anyone would take your money and refuse to pay you your winnings, the answer is simple: because they can. And they have absolutely no moral qualms about screwing you over, if they can. But that goes for all businesses, not just gambling.   

dropping centralized gambling for decentralized is a great point, I totally agree
but you think we'll reach a turning point where decentralized becomes bigger than centralized? seems like due to the technical barrier and even some tech things people usually prefer convenience over security and comfort over choosing the best option in terms of fairness.

Even though lets talk not only limited on gambling sites or platforms but also in exchanges as well.We know that being decentralized is good but there are things which we do actually need for us to be convenient and
easy access on some certain things which we can only find on centralized platforms which its no surprise that it is really getting more users and been preferred compared over security.
We cant deny nor ignore that fact which it is something that we do really need to realize.

Back on topic which getting some legal actions towards these companies about not on paying your winning then it would really be just worth on doing so.
As long you do have the evidences and the winning amount is just worth for you to fight on then dont really be afraid.

[l3pox]

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dropping centralized gambling for decentralized is a great point, I totally agree
but you think we'll reach a turning point where decentralized becomes bigger than centralized? seems like due to the technical barrier and even some tech things people usually prefer convenience over security and comfort over choosing the best option in terms of fairness.

Even though lets talk not only limited on gambling sites or platforms but also in exchanges as well.We know that being decentralized is good but there are things which we do actually need for us to be convenient and
easy access on some certain things which we can only find on centralized platforms which its no surprise that it is really getting more users and been preferred compared over security.
We cant deny nor ignore that fact which it is something that we do really need to realize.

Back on topic which getting some legal actions towards these companies about not on paying your winning then it would really be just worth on doing so.
As long you do have the evidences and the winning amount is just worth for you to fight on then dont really be afraid.

you are right we should also consider exchanges
the thing is that exchanges have another variable that is not the most important in gambling: liquidity.
before liquidity was a big deal with order books, uniswap pretty much solved it with their pool model, but it's still an issue when it comes to bridging in an out of crypto from fiat.

totally agree to regarding the topic that justice should be on the side of the winners in case they have all the proof for the contests/lotteries

[EarnOnVictor]

Well. lotteries do not make a lot of money. In my experience, lotteries make you lose a lot of money as it's too hard to win in the lottery.

I disagree that lottery companies do not have money, if they don't why are they doing it? This is a business for them and it's a lucrative one as well, which is making them increasingly common these days.

Honestly, as long as the court and the jurisdiction isn't rigged the plaintiff will have a very high chance of winning and possibly earning more than the prize he's supposed to get, given the fact that multiple grievances are put on the name of this website. Goes to show how important it is to know your rights and what you even as an individual is capable of. I could tell you so much about the people in this country losing potential millions of dollars against large corporations and/or businesses just because they are afraid of the power that these companies have, not being aware or insecure about their very own abilities.

I understand the angle from which you are seeing this case, but I believe there is still justice in Nigeria's court in a case like this. No powerful people could intimidate him ian this case. If they had the power, they would have done that before it gets to the court.

The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no.

Never! They will not refund a lost game, but they want to deprive the winner of a won trade. I detest a thing like this, cheating gets me most annoyed.

The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no. A sure should there be any truth to the development of fault by there system, there are those that lost there bets and still can't make any claims on refunds. Hence, its only right that the company pays the customer what he rightly won and stop trying to cut corners. Gambling is a probable stake where you either win or lose and not try to compensate.
Its good his got funds enough to push the case to court and I hope its just enough to sustain the case as long as it would last. Its within his rights and I think he would win.

Yeah, there is some issue. The problem have made the authorities bargain the winning amount settlement at different levels. Now, victim have taken it to the court. Here too he might be offered with certain amount to end the case. I don't know how fair the hearings will take place. This is really bad winning big and unable to get the winning amount.

This is a sad story as we said but I bet that you don't see a case like this in US,Germany or Italy to name a few countries where people win the lottery

They dare not do rubbish with the stated countries, these are sane countries that don't take the rights of their citizens lightly.

[Awaklara]

I disagree that lottery companies do not have money, if they don't why are they doing it? This is a business for them and it's a lucrative one as well, which is making them increasingly common these days.

That's right, lottery companies do have money to pay for winnings. but they don't want to pay for big wins that might hurt their business finances.

hoping justice will be served, but seeing as how the lottery company has plenty of money to be able to stop the case. hopefully, no bribery case will harm the plaintiff.

Stopping scam practices from casinos or gambling companies is quite difficult. especially when it comes to online casinos. they can close and then create a new online casino again. then cheat again.
just a suggestion, find a really good one and pay. and keep playing there. don't switch to a new one, because a new one doesn't necessarily pay off.

[rahmad2nd]

Well. lotteries do not make a lot of money. In my experience, lotteries make you lose a lot of money as it's too hard to win in the lottery.

I disagree that lottery companies do not have money, if they don't why are they doing it? This is a business for them and it's a lucrative one as well, which is making them increasingly common these days.

As far as I know, the lottery gambling business makes a lot of money for these business people. so I'm not sure, if the lottery company is not financially sound. as for this case, I think we should try to be fair in this judgment from both sides.
in @obari's thread, the company refused because the man was allegedly involved in irregularities. here is the link
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

I think this case must be determined from the court results later, how both of them prove it with the evidence they have.
if this man is proven not to have cheated, the lottery company must be willing to pay the money he deserves. however, unfortunately we do not have further information regarding this lottery case.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

Sometimes, when filing a lawsuit, the plaintiff is faced with a situation where an online casino or bookmaker is not registered as a legal entity at all or is registered as a legal entity, but with nominee owners and general directors.  

In this case, it may be difficult to file a claim and win a lawsuit.

But with the way I see this case, for the casino to agree to pay $29,900 out of $169,000 total winning is a sign that the casino must be a registered one, who is scared of not having its license seized because had it been the casino wasn't legit, I doubt if he would have seen a penny. Because for me, this guy has all the right to request his full payment, in as much as he won the game legitimately.

However, this is not the first time me seeing a casino refusing to pay huge winnings, because thou I know some casino has a monthly withdrawal limit of around $10k to $20k, and if that's the case for this casino, they would have equally told the winner and promise to a monthly installmental payment of either $20k for 8 consecutive months, instead of keeping mute.

[Strongkored]

I think this case must be determined from the court results later, how both of them prove it with the evidence they have.
if this man is proven not to have cheated, the lottery company must be willing to pay the money he deserves. however, unfortunately we do not have further information regarding this lottery case.

Looking at article mentioned by Op November 21 is the continuation of the trial and it can be a long journey for them because the outcome of the trial will definitely not be pleasant for one of the parties so there is a high chance that the losing party will appeal and so on.
I just can't understand how gambling company prove the dishonesty of the winner if they previously said that their database had been wiped out

[pawanjain]

Can this guy win the case?

Yes ofcourse there's a chance, provided he is in a country where judicial system is strong.

Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?

I haven't personally been through this but I have read other people on this forum who has gone through the same.

Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?

It's simple, they want to scam you.

What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

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Raising your voice against them just like how this man has raised his appeal to the court.
This will teach the gambling company a solid lesson.

[348Judah]

The company is trying their  power to push believing the Person/victim will not run far against them, that is why they are settling twice with small amount , but now that they find it serious  , they will use that said amount to fight and win the battle.

in this will be needing a trustworthy court and government because this is a David and Goliath fight that the advantage will always towards the Big or the giant.

I wish to also receive an update about this case on the said date fornthe next trial, if the lawyer is sound and experienced enough it's already a winning case, I've seen people winning case against a government notbto talk of gambling site or casino, though it all requires financial aid but nevertheless the case can also warrant the attraction of additional fine on the casino for the gambler as compensation.

[fullhdpixel]

Even though lets talk not only limited on gambling sites or platforms but also in exchanges as well.We know that being decentralized is good but there are things which we do actually need for us to be convenient and
easy access on some certain things which we can only find on centralized platforms which its no surprise that it is really getting more users and been preferred compared over security.
We cant deny nor ignore that fact which it is something that we do really need to realize.

Back on topic which getting some legal actions towards these companies about not on paying your winning then it would really be just worth on doing so.
As long you do have the evidences and the winning amount is just worth for you to fight on then dont really be afraid.

If only in terms of convenience then decentralized platforms can win because there is no sign up functions on them or KYC but you can just connect your wallet, verify the connection and you're good to go. It is also more safer because once we are done, we can disconnect our wallet along with our funds. Not unlike to a centralized platform where it's possible for users to leave their funds there and what if the platform turn into a scam later on? Or what if they will be hacked?

You will easily lose your funds that way. On topic, the excuse made by the lottery company looks so funny. Wipe out? When the results are already out in public. The guy can easily win the case as long as he have the winning ticket.