A disheartening true life winning story

[piebeyb]

I just can't understand how gambling company prove the dishonesty of the winner if they previously said that their database had been wiped out

that means there is no evidence that the gambling company can show in court later if their database is deleted, the possibility that the winner of this case may win in court if he can't show strong evidence from the gambling company, this is an opportunity where the winner can show solid evidence against that gambling company

[l3pox]

I just can't understand how gambling company prove the dishonesty of the winner if they previously said that their database had been wiped out

that means there is no evidence that the gambling company can show in court later if their database is deleted, the possibility that the winner of this case may win in court if he can't show strong evidence from the gambling company, this is an opportunity where the winner can show solid evidence against that gambling company

how often a database is wiped clean nowadays?
seems like something quite rare

would probably count against the company in court, not in favour.

but you are right, the winner should have at least some evidence that they really won.

[nullama]

~snip~
how often a database is wiped clean nowadays?
seems like something quite rare

would probably count against the company in court, not in favour.

but you are right, the winner should have at least some evidence that they really won.

Maybe it was a mistake?, those things do happen from time to time at places where things are not run up to standard.

But there's also the possibility of them just not wanting to pay up, which sounds horrible really.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

It's hard to answer the question of whether this guy will win the lawsuit or not. 

It depends on the country in which this story took place and on the laws in force in that country. 

Sometimes, when filing a lawsuit, the plaintiff is faced with a situation where an online casino or bookmaker is not registered as a legal entity at all or is registered as a legal entity, but with nominee owners and general directors. 

In this case, it may be difficult to file a claim and win a lawsuit.

  - Do you mean the lottery may be operating under the jurisdiction of the government illegally? Because as far as I know, as long as you hold the ticket, the complainant has a high chance of winning. Although you have a point in what you mentioned dude.

But I agree with the complainant that the lottery appears to be legitimate, but I agree with you that no one knows what the outcome of that case could be between the winner and the lottery company.

[xSkylarx]

It's hard to answer the question of whether this guy will win the lawsuit or not. 

It depends on the country in which this story took place and on the laws in force in that country. 

Sometimes, when filing a lawsuit, the plaintiff is faced with a situation where an online casino or bookmaker is not registered as a legal entity at all or is registered as a legal entity, but with nominee owners and general directors. 

In this case, it may be difficult to file a claim and win a lawsuit.

  - Do you mean the lottery may be operating under the jurisdiction of the government illegally? Because as far as I know, as long as you hold the ticket, the complainant has a high chance of winning. Although you have a point in what you mentioned dude.

But I agree with the complainant that the lottery appears to be legitimate, but I agree with you that no one knows what the outcome of that case could be between the winner and the lottery company.

If it is done illegally, he can close it, but again, getting back the money he won is very difficult. That is mostly the case if the lottery is not government-regulated. When I was a child, I heard from my parents' friends that if someone won $200k, the lottery owner would say they didn't have money because they had gone bankrupt. Then they would close the lottery store, but the problem is that it is not legal, it is illegally put up, and people are aware of it, so my parents' friends didn't get anything, and the lottery store in our neighborhood closed down.

[Cookdata]

Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol. From every angle, we see that person would win the case even though the database has been wiped out because the result of it was public no matter what they say. Still, the problem is that if they give some money(the lottery) to the judge(possibly the other side will win) or they will win,  what I am scared of is that due to technical difficulties, the judge will declare that he won the case, but the issue is that the lottery will only give half of the amount.

Except it occurs in a nation where the law is not effectively implemented! Looking at this case, it occurred in Nigeria, and because the player did not have enough money to sue the gambling house, he may lose the case since the judge may be easily influenced by money by gambling owners, but if it is a country where nonsense is not tolerated, trust me, they will pay that money, as well as other damages and for lying that the games were not recorded on their database. As far as I'm concerned, this case will likely finish with the player being compensated and accepting the loss, sometimes we are deceived because of our limited strength.

[l3pox]

~snip~
how often a database is wiped clean nowadays?
seems like something quite rare

would probably count against the company in court, not in favour.

but you are right, the winner should have at least some evidence that they really won.

Maybe it was a mistake?, those things do happen from time to time at places where things are not run up to standard.

But there's also the possibility of them just not wanting to pay up, which sounds horrible really.

could be but it sounds really suspicious

indeed, it's an horrible situation
the classical case where a company prefers short term gain instead of staying in business and earning much more on the long run
makes no sense..

[Lida93]

Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

There a some gambling sites that are new in the business and don't have the financial wherewithall to pay a heavy and huge winning due to their infancy in the business only hoping that accumulation could be gotten from gamblers losses to meet up in building their financial strength but it becomes u fortunate for them when a huge win is what they experience as against what their plans were. This could be one reason why certain gambling sites shy away from paying him get amounts but rather elope or form one excuses.

Another could be that it was fraud intended from the start of it, and they probably might go at loss should they payout such huge amount so they resort to extinction of such site.

My advise is that gamblers should try get knowledge of the history of certain gambling site they engaged with and their reputation in the past years, etc.
It will really keep you away from such ugly experience. For we app know how painful losing money to gambling , and then the joy of winning after many loss and someone is trying to deny you of it.
It's really painful.

[Lida93]

Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol. From every angle, we see that person would win the case even though the database has been wiped out because the result of it was public no matter what they say. Still, the problem is that if they give some money(the lottery) to the judge(possibly the other side will win) or they will win,  what I am scared of is that due to technical difficulties, the judge will declare that he won the case, but the issue is that the lottery will only give half of the amount.

Except it occurs in a nation where the law is not effectively implemented! Looking at this case, it occurred in Nigeria, and because the player did not have enough money to sue the gambling house, he may lose the case since the judge may be easily influenced by money by gambling owners, but if it is a country where nonsense is not tolerated, trust me, they will pay that money, as well as other damages and for lying that the games were not recorded on their database. As far as I'm concerned, this case will likely finish with the player being compensated and accepting the loss, sometimes we are deceived because of our limited strength.

You may have your reasons subjective to yourself which probably might necessitate your diction but in a global setting as this I'll appreciate you give some regards to your nationality, it wasn't necessary mentioning name for no country is law perfected and corrupt free.
Nigeria is not the only country with corrupt judiciary or leaders. We are a great nation with great people.

[l3pox]

Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

There a some gambling sites that are new in the business and don't have the financial wherewithall to pay a heavy and huge winning due to their infancy in the business only hoping that accumulation could be gotten from gamblers losses to meet up in building their financial strength but it becomes u fortunate for them when a huge win is what they experience as against what their plans were. This could be one reason why certain gambling sites shy away from paying him get amounts but rather elope or form one excuses.

Another could be that it was fraud intended from the start of it, and they probably might go at loss should they payout such huge amount so they resort to extinction of such site.

My advise is that gamblers should try get knowledge of the history of certain gambling site they engaged with and their reputation in the past years, etc.
It will really keep you away from such ugly experience. For we app know how painful losing money to gambling , and then the joy of winning after many loss and someone is trying to deny you of it.
It's really painful.

yes, in these cases better to stay with reliable websites, or only test new waters knowing that you may not have a return from your gambles

but the thing is that on OP's case seems like this was an existing lottery irl, not virtual, right?
this makes a totally different situation.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

If it is done illegally, he can close it, but again, getting back the money he won is very difficult. That is mostly the case if the lottery is not government-regulated. When I was a child, I heard from my parents' friends that if someone won $200k, the lottery owner would say they didn't have money because they had gone bankrupt. Then they would close the lottery store, but the problem is that it is not legal, it is illegally put up, and people are aware of it, so my parents' friends didn't get anything, and the lottery store in our neighborhood closed down.

  - I get your point on this matter Sir, there are others like gambling platforms that can be their modus operandi, even in the lottery as in OP's story, if the investigation shows that the lottery is illegal, it will appear that the winner has no chance what he won.

Now as you said Sir, I also met someone who was a former secretary of an MLM(multi-level marketing) he told me that the company collected millions of funds and promised a high return, but in the end, nothing came back, now everything invested has complained because they wanted to recover their capital what the owner of the MLM company did was declare bankruptcy and the investors did nothing. It's just sad to think about and I just hope the lottery is legal so OP has a claim.

[AicecreaME]

Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

There a some gambling sites that are new in the business and don't have the financial wherewithall to pay a heavy and huge winning due to their infancy in the business only hoping that accumulation could be gotten from gamblers losses to meet up in building their financial strength but it becomes u fortunate for them when a huge win is what they experience as against what their plans were. This could be one reason why certain gambling sites shy away from paying him get amounts but rather elope or form one excuses.

Another could be that it was fraud intended from the start of it, and they probably might go at loss should they payout such huge amount so they resort to extinction of such site.

My advise is that gamblers should try get knowledge of the history of certain gambling site they engaged with and their reputation in the past years, etc.
It will really keep you away from such ugly experience. For we app know how painful losing money to gambling , and then the joy of winning after many loss and someone is trying to deny you of it.
It's really painful.

yes, in these cases better to stay with reliable websites, or only test new waters knowing that you may not have a return from your gambles

but the thing is that on OP's case seems like this was an existing lottery irl, not virtual, right?
this makes a totally different situation.

As far as my mind can comprehend this thread, OP is talking about an actual lottery and not really from an online website which is why it's painful knowing that you've won, but won't really get to enjoy your winning prize because of some sort of issue.

It's not really OP's fault that the company had glitch on their database resulting to wipe out of their crucial information. Because they should have a back up in the first place and make their security tight so that inconvenience like this won't happen. This could be some form of assurance for them too not only for the players. Really do hoping we'll get an update from the process of this case.

[l3pox]

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As far as my mind can comprehend this thread, OP is talking about an actual lottery and not really from an online website which is why it's painful knowing that you've won, but won't really get to enjoy your winning prize because of some sort of issue.

It's not really OP's fault that the company had glitch on their database resulting to wipe out of their crucial information. Because they should have a back up in the first place and make their security tight so that inconvenience like this won't happen. This could be some form of assurance for them too not only for the players. Really do hoping we'll get an update from the process of this case.

supposing the company story about having a glitch on the database is true, how come this would be a problem? they wouldn't be able to verify if the winner is legit?

Am I the only one who think "glitch in the database" really looks like these stories of people "losing their private keys on boating accidents"?

[Cling18]

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As far as my mind can comprehend this thread, OP is talking about an actual lottery and not really from an online website which is why it's painful knowing that you've won, but won't really get to enjoy your winning prize because of some sort of issue.

It's not really OP's fault that the company had glitch on their database resulting to wipe out of their crucial information. Because they should have a back up in the first place and make their security tight so that inconvenience like this won't happen. This could be some form of assurance for them too not only for the players. Really do hoping we'll get an update from the process of this case.

supposing the company story about having a glitch on the database is true, how come this would be a problem? they wouldn't be able to verify if the winner is legit?

Am I the only one who think "glitch in the database" really looks like these stories of people "losing their private keys on boating accidents"?

That's possible but it's their recklessness if they won't have a backup to avoid incidents like this. If they won't secure their database, then more players would experience the same thing which is really unfair for they have spent funds just to win such an amount.
I think the complainant will win the case and has provided enough evidence because he has the guts to reject their offer and push through with the case. If he has all the evidence, then it's a good move to fight for his right and this will also serve the casino a lesson. If I were them, if there were enough funds to pay the gambler, I would pay him so the case scenario won't get worse which can affect their reputation.

[348Judah]

Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol. From every angle, we see that person would win the case even though the database has been wiped out because the result of it was public no matter what they say. Still, the problem is that if they give some money(the lottery) to the judge(possibly the other side will win) or they will win,  what I am scared of is that due to technical difficulties, the judge will declare that he won the case, but the issue is that the lottery will only give half of the amount.

Except it occurs in a nation where the law is not effectively implemented! Looking at this case, it occurred in Nigeria, and because the player did not have enough money to sue the gambling house, he may lose the case since the judge may be easily influenced by money by gambling owners, but if it is a country where nonsense is not tolerated, trust me, they will pay that money, as well as other damages and for lying that the games were not recorded on their database. As far as I'm concerned, this case will likely finish with the player being compensated and accepting the loss, sometimes we are deceived because of our limited strength.

Well let's assume there are countries whose human rights were not considered with utmost priority to be fought for especially in cases like this when one individual is challenged by the other through oppression and this one one of the typical reasons you got the gamblers in retaliation to what they have experienced in the past when the government regulations guiding this isn't effective especially with gambling.

[maydna]

Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol. From every angle, we see that person would win the case even though the database has been wiped out because the result of it was public no matter what they say. Still, the problem is that if they give some money(the lottery) to the judge(possibly the other side will win) or they will win,  what I am scared of is that due to technical difficulties, the judge will declare that he won the case, but the issue is that the lottery will only give half of the amount.

Except it occurs in a nation where the law is not effectively implemented! Looking at this case, it occurred in Nigeria, and because the player did not have enough money to sue the gambling house, he may lose the case since the judge may be easily influenced by money by gambling owners, but if it is a country where nonsense is not tolerated, trust me, they will pay that money, as well as other damages and for lying that the games were not recorded on their database. As far as I'm concerned, this case will likely finish with the player being compensated and accepting the loss, sometimes we are deceived because of our limited strength.

Well let's assume there are countries whose human rights were not considered with utmost priority to be fought for especially in cases like this when one individual is challenged by the other through oppression and this one one of the typical reasons you got the gamblers in retaliation to what they have experienced in the past when the government regulations guiding this isn't effective especially with gambling.

Lucky for that person if he really lives in a country that stands up for human rights and helps solve the problems that occur in his country because in such a case, that person will have a chance to win, and the casino will have to pay for that person's victory. But if not, that person will have to spend a lot of money to win in court because their opponent is a casino with a lot of money and can do a lot for that person. But the casino has given a ridiculous excuse saying that their database has been deleted.

[EarnOnVictor]

The company is trying their  power to push believing the Person/victim will not run far against them, that is why they are settling twice with small amount , but now that they find it serious  , they will use that said amount to fight and win the battle.

in this will be needing a trustworthy court and government because this is a David and Goliath fight that the advantage will always towards the Big or the giant.

I wish to also receive an update about this case on the said date fornthe next trial, if the lawyer is sound and experienced enough it's already a winning case, I've seen people winning case against a government notbto talk of gambling site or casino, though it all requires financial aid but nevertheless the case can also warrant the attraction of additional fine on the casino for the gambler as compensation.

I will try to follow the court proceedings about the case, it is worth it. However, the last meeting in court was in late October, and it looks like the company (Green Lotto) is ready to make its case. It claimed it was an error and that they had deleted similar cases before without any issues.

On that ground, they pleaded "Not guilty" to the charges preferred against them. The judge had adjourned the case to a date I can't remember now, but will further update you on the stance as it unfolds.

Well. lotteries do not make a lot of money. In my experience, lotteries make you lose a lot of money as it's too hard to win in the lottery.

I disagree that lottery companies do not have money, if they don't why are they doing it? This is a business for them and it's a lucrative one as well, which is making them increasingly common these days.

As far as I know, the lottery gambling business makes a lot of money for these business people. so I'm not sure, if the lottery company is not financially sound. as for this case, I think we should try to be fair in this judgment from both sides.
in @obari's thread, the company refused because the man was allegedly involved in irregularities. here is the link
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

I think this case must be determined from the court results later, how both of them prove it with the evidence they have.
if this man is proven not to have cheated, the lottery company must be willing to pay the money he deserves. however, unfortunately we do not have further information regarding this lottery case.

The lotto company is not small, so it has the money to pay but just making excuses. Truly, they claimed irregularities, how? Did the guy go and manipulate their games internally or what? We would find out later.

[deathcode]

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As far as my mind can comprehend this thread, OP is talking about an actual lottery and not really from an online website which is why it's painful knowing that you've won, but won't really get to enjoy your winning prize because of some sort of issue.

It's not really OP's fault that the company had glitch on their database resulting to wipe out of their crucial information. Because they should have a back up in the first place and make their security tight so that inconvenience like this won't happen. This could be some form of assurance for them too not only for the players. Really do hoping we'll get an update from the process of this case.

supposing the company story about having a glitch on the database is true, how come this would be a problem? they wouldn't be able to verify if the winner is legit?

Am I the only one who think "glitch in the database" really looks like these stories of people "losing their private keys on boating accidents"?

That's possible but it's their recklessness if they won't have a backup to avoid incidents like this. If they won't secure their database, then more players would experience the same thing which is really unfair for they have spent funds just to win such an amount.
I think the complainant will win the case and has provided enough evidence because he has the guts to reject their offer and push through with the case. If he has all the evidence, then it's a good move to fight for his right and this will also serve the casino a lesson. If I were them, if there were enough funds to pay the gambler, I would pay him so the case scenario won't get worse which can affect their reputation.

Well hopefully the complainant will win the case, but we know he's had several offers from the company and from the national gambling board to stop his reporting.
It's an indication that maybe he's not just dealing with a small casino but dealing with something or a bigger group and has money and power.
I think there might be some manipulation done to stop or possibly beat the complainant on her lawsuit.
We all know that money and power can regulate the laws that are running according to their will.
Hope justice goes well there and hopefully indeed he is with the right team to win this case and will fully accept his dues.

[Cookdata]

You may have your reasons subjective to yourself which probably might necessitate your diction but in a global setting as this I'll appreciate you give some regards to your nationality, it wasn't necessary mentioning name for no country is law perfected and corrupt free.
Nigeria is not the only country with corrupt judiciary or leaders. We are a great nation with great people.

Before you become emotional with my comments, it became an open discussion the moment I see the quote below:

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

It was open for further reading for everyone, now tell me where it has become a crime to mention the country and besides, where are the lies in my statement? This wouldn't happen in a developed country considering the fact that is gambling within its jurisdiction. If you followed up on the investigations, you would agree with me that they are only trying to reap the player and they are trying to bribe him because they will lose so much amount of money.

If you really gamble, I hope you don't become a victim because you will do worse if you have ever lost a game to a gambling vendor, keep the nationality brouhaha and let's say some facts.

[Wakate]

I just can't understand how gambling company prove the dishonesty of the winner if they previously said that their database had been wiped out

that means there is no evidence that the gambling company can show in court later if their database is deleted, the possibility that the winner of this case may win in court if he can't show strong evidence from the gambling company, this is an opportunity where the winner can show solid evidence against that gambling company

how often a database is wiped clean nowadays?
seems like something quite rare

would probably count against the company in court, not in favour.

but you are right, the winner should have at least some evidence that they really won.

It is so disheartened to read this news that looks very suspicious that the gambling platform purposely wipe out their data base so that the gambler will not get the full money that was won. This is will take time before full judgement will take place against the platform that refused to pay the necessary fund.
This is why we need to be very careful on the kind of platform we make bets because some casinos do have a scamming attempt to refuse payment for winners especially when the fund is big.