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Title: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on October 30, 2022, 11:12:39 AM
I am going to distrust you exactly for the reason of your strong urge of leaving feedback. There are no other reason. You are possibly a good fella in the community.

I don't think this is the best way to use your custom Trust list. "You should exclude users who leave inaccurate feedback." [reference (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0)] , but I guess that's your prerogative and you can do whatever you want with your trust list as far as I'm concerned. Although I'm not entirely sure what I did to step on your toes, I don't really care.
You did nothing and you did not step on his toes. He is an attention-seeking troll as you probably know from other threads where he and his buddies were defending the indefensible while spouting nonsense about me and other members that challenged them. For what it is worth, him distrusting you is meaningless because the troll himself is untrustworthy.

FatFork, I support your neutral tag, thanks for bringing this to your attention.  In this case, this is a clear abuse of the merit system, and in 2018, red tags were left for such cases immediately, so the neutral tag, written without any insults, it really is the place to be. But arguing with those who have double standards in the use of trust system, in my opinion, is pointless. :D
You are right, it is a clear abuse of the merit system and it most probably should be addressed and noted.

As for those that have double standards in the trust system (such as the troll following FatFork around), you are absolutely correct, it is pointless to either debate, engage with or argue because they are not worth giving any attention to. Speaking of which, I found this feedback that was left for you somewhat laughable because it is ridiculous and should never have been left but when they are driven by revenge the trolls and attention-seekers do weird things:

https://i.postimg.cc/c4kw3wTF/pathetic-liar-and-troll-Bitcoin-Girl-Club-Copy.png

I noticed several times JollyGood wants to devalue everyone with his words who do not support his feedback abuse. This is one of the example from many. You are seeing he is talking to FatFork (in a discussion which was already dead (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416930.msg61136290#msg61136290)) and deliberately choosing words which are troll, untrustworthy, spouting nonsense. He is doing it to justify his feedback leaving habit. The neutral I left for Ratimov was also found interesting by him as if it was supposed to be a negative.

The words he deliver towards the people he does not like, on his negative feedback he left for others at-least shows that he is disrespectful and feels happy when insulting the people he does not like. He also does not have the ability to admit his own mistakes. Obviously have egocentric issues. All these concludes me JollyGood may need to seek professional advice for his mental health. He do things out of overzealousness and obsession.

https://i.postimg.cc/NG89th5R/jg-feedback.png

Recently I am seeing he is leaving neutral feedback to others for low quality posts and as he is taking it as a matter in his own hand. He could just report the low value posts to the moderator and could have a personal note for himself using a plugin created by TryNinja.
His attitude is, he always wants to devalue others either it's with a negative feedback or neutral feedback (seems a new strategy for him because others are started to talk against the negatives recently*) or even in a dead conversation.

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418565.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5417940.0


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on October 30, 2022, 12:55:22 PM
Recently I am seeing he is leaving neutral feedback to others for low quality posts and as he is taking it as a matter in his own hand. He could just report the low value posts to the moderator and could have a personal note for himself using a plugin created by TryNinja.
All of the other points before this aside, leaving a neutral feedback for a shitposter is acceptable and in some cases desirable.  By putting into words on a member's trust page just how bad of a poster he/she is, you're (hopefully) warning campaign and bounty managers that they won't be a good prospect.

I've left those kinds of feedbacks plenty of times, and if you look on my trust page and see what I've left for people in the years 2016-2017 there will probably be zillions of neutrals related to post quality.

I think JollyGood is willing to listen to advice and change his habits. I'd like to see him remove all of those feedbacks that have nothing to do with anything forum-related.  Neutrals are another story, though.  If you ask others, they'd probably tell you that a neutral is the way to put a note on a member's profile.  Not a big deal.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: DaveF on October 30, 2022, 01:36:49 PM
I think I am in a very small group that would like to see more negative feedback and less neutral. I really thing nobody reads the neutral.
Perhaps, it's just me but I have had some people who I told to take a look at this board come back and say "nope, it's a crapfest would rather be on r/CryptoCurrency/ or one of the discord discussions"  Think about how bad we look when things like that are said.

I don't know if there really is a good solution, you want to have an open forum you have to put up with crap posters.
You start aggressively moderating people it annoys a lot of them.
Having users self patrol seems to work to a certain extent, but then you get what we have now which is people who don't like the way others are doing something and think their way is better.

-Dave


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: yahoo62278 on October 30, 2022, 01:47:59 PM
I have never had an issue in speaking with Jollygood. Every time we have interacted via pm, he has been nothing but respectful towards me, even if it's on a matter we might disagree upon. Sometimes he may be a little aggressive on leaving tags but unless it's just a bad tag he should be able to leave whatever tag he wishes. All of those neutrals IMO are fine looking at the examples you posted. I look at tags when filling a campaign, red or neutral, to determine if I want to give a user a spot.

Are you sure this is an issue, or does his tag on you bother you? Maybe if you guys tried having a respectful conversation with each other vs trying to force an opinion on one another, you might be able to resolve your differences?

We don't all have to like each other, but we should respect others' opinions and try to get along. If we cannot, use the ignore button.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on October 30, 2022, 02:40:31 PM
Aren't there people here complaining about spam in gambling threads? I think that by leaving a neutral mark on low-quality posts, Jollygood warns the user to start taking responsibility for what he writes. I have looked at the neutral reviews that Jollygood has left and many of them are true.
A simple example is a user with a neutral tag (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg61204466#msg61204466) from Jollygood and a trust review warning.
He is waiting for the moderators to ban him from visiting the forum :).


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: Little Mouse on October 30, 2022, 02:47:20 PM
We don't all have to like each other, but we should respect others' opinions and try to get along. If we cannot, use the ignore button.
That's where Jollygood wouldn't mind to use a negative feedback and later change the feedback when victim post in the reputation board. But I see no problem to leave a neutral feedback when it comes to detect a shitposter. That's not the first time here in bitcointalk. I have seen a lot of neutral tags from actmyname to the shitposters.
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Part of the Spammer Blacklist: this user has made at least 233 replies that are not up to forum standards.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: LoyceV on October 30, 2022, 03:24:30 PM
His mental illness is, he always wants to devalue others
You can't base psychological diagnostics on forum posts. And by calling it "mental illness", you're doing exactly what you accuse him of: devaluing him.

I think I am in a very small group that would like to see more negative feedback and less neutral.
As long as it's for the right reasons, that's okay. But if it's for the wrong reason, it reduces the warning potential of negative feedback by making it too common.

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I really thing nobody reads the neutral.
I sometimes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1003345) use neutral feedback to stand out.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: 1miau on October 30, 2022, 07:00:52 PM
I don't see anything controversial about the neutral feedbacks from JollyGood. Maybe it's because some spammers are quick to overreact when being caught and making a lot of drama. Spam is still a problem and the Gambling section is prone to it.

Neutral feedback is certainly helpful in some sort to "warn" spammers and make campaign managers aware of low quality posters. Spam and shitposting has to be discouraged. And shitposters should be aware that complaining too much after being caught could result in much more troble (ending on a blacklist / more neutral trusts or even possibly a negative trust from JollyGood). That's some sort of deterrence to avoid shitposting, see the post from DaveF (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418815.msg61211059#msg61211059). 
Of course, when submitting a neutral feedback, we should also provide a meaningful reference link to prove our feedback.

And the recent case is a good example (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418565.msg61200464#msg61200464) how the spammer admitted his mistake and the issue has been settled.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: Issa56 on October 30, 2022, 09:40:10 PM
I sincerely hope that what I'm about to say won't really annoy anyone here. I'm just trying to make a little contribution regarding neutral trust that has been given, I have nothing against jollygood or other members giving neutral trust, but my suggestion is that if a user is being tagged as a shit poster, remember that we all joined the forum as newbie, and over time, our posts quality have gotten better as a result of learning more about bitcon and cryptocurrency in general, am sure nobody will want to wake up every day to keep on seeing that their account has been tagged for the mistake made when they just joined the forum, so I'm only trying to make a suggestion, but am sure not everyone will agree with me, or let me say it won't really make sense to everyone.

I think it will be nice if we all go through our trust feedback after few months or even after one year just to check people that have been tagged as shit posters if there is improvement in their post quality and if you are satisfied with their post quality, I think the neutral trust should be removed and if there is not improvement in post quality, then the neutral trust should remain. This is just a suggestion which am sure not everyone have time for that, but have seen some accounts which have been tagged as shit poster since 2020, but if you check their post quality now, it has really improved but the neutral trust still remain, am sure nobody will be happy seeing that kind of review on their profile.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: Awaklara on October 31, 2022, 03:16:38 AM
am sure nobody will want to wake up every day to keep on seeing that their account has been tagged for the mistake made when they just joined the forum, so I'm only trying to make a suggestion, but am sure not everyone will agree with me, or let me say it won't really make sense to everyone.

if you look at the neutral Trusts that jollygood does, most are not newbie accounts. even the account is 1-4 years old.
is that too short a time for someone to study on the forums?
if the spam posting was done by an account with a high rating, and there is a history of changing passwords and emails. there is an indication the account has changed hands (hacking or trading).
that means there are newbies disguised as higher ranks just for the sake of getting paid from the campaign.

I think it will be nice if we all go through our trust feedback after few months or even after one year just to check people that have been tagged as shit posters if there is improvement in their post quality and if you are satisfied with their post quality,

I think jollygood has already done that. I saw a few who created a thread on reputation asking for the removal of the tag on their account. as in the case of About My Red Trust (Remove Request) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5417940.0). jollygood gives 8-12 months to revisit the case.
In the case of I wish I could contact jolly good (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418565.0), the applicant also received a change in the tag from negative to neutral.

neutral feedback for the shit poster is not a problem. but if indeed those who are tagged make a change in post quality. submissions for deletion of feedback should be possible.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: dkbit98 on October 31, 2022, 11:19:56 AM
All these concludes me JollyGood may need to seek professional advice for his mental health. He do things out of overzealousness and obsession.
I don't know about his mental condition, but he is certainly name-calling and ignoring everyone who don't agree with his point of view.
You will notice that everyone who criticized his constant trust abuse is now called a troll or attention seeker, and he doesn't want any discussion so he often tells topic creators to lock topic after his final word.
It's like he is judge, jury and executioner all in the same time.

I think JollyGood is willing to listen to advice and change his habits.
Not really, until he is under pressure.
He continues with his trust abuse and he ignores everyone who don't agree with him.
Please look at his trust list and judge for yourself:
https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1016855.html

Anyone who is still trusting this guy is directly supporting him and indirectly doing trust abuse with him.

We don't all have to like each other, but we should respect others' opinions and try to get along. If we cannot, use the ignore button.
You obviously never said anything he didn't like, or you would be ignored by him long time ago.
Try to be objective and see what he is doing with trust system and his feedback.
This guy listens to nobody (in his eco chamber) until his actions get more attention from community.
I don't have anything against neutral feedbacks, but look at the bigger picture of things he is doing.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: examplens on October 31, 2022, 01:33:33 PM
I don't know why, but after the last removing JG neg tag appeal, I expected a thread like this  :D maybe I would have expected a thread called "Announce your inappropriate JollyGood feedback..."
maybe this could be a common thread for all those who feel that they have been unfairly marked by JG, to reduce the number of opening new topics with the same subject. Of course, OP can't be on their ignore list  ;)

Yes, really his feedback is a little sharper, seems to have less than zero tolerance for any hint of abuse. It is also obvious that he has made many mistakes and overreacted through negative tags.
I have actually seen several cases where JG changed the feedback after a suggestion, which in a way is the positive side of the whole thing. (for example, this was not the case for Lauda). now it's more a question for JollyGood himself, why did it happen that he often has to revise his feedback?
maybe he could review all his feedback once more and possibly change it to neutral, purely to prevent any new dramas. but I believe it is too much work.

As for the influence of such tags on participation in signature campaigns, I don't think it's a big minus. most serious managers know how to "read" this kind of feedback.

Recently I am seeing he is leaving neutral feedback to others for low quality posts and as he is taking it as a matter in his own hand. He could just report the low value posts to the moderator and could have a personal note for himself using a plugin created by TryNinja.

honestly, you're getting into a personal conflict here. A neutral tag is fine while it is only informative, but you try to turn his every word as a fact against him.

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All these concludes me JollyGood may need to seek professional advice for his mental health. He do things out of overzealousness and obsession.

His mental illness is, he always wants to devalue others either it's with a negative feedback or neutral feedback (seems a new strategy for him because others are started to talk against the negatives recently*) or even in a dead conversation.

This is a very serious diagnosis you are making, you sound like a psychiatrist.
what is the difference between your conclusion and the one he left on your profile as feedback?


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: dbc23 on October 31, 2022, 02:36:07 PM
Are you sure this is an issue, or does his tag on you bother you? Maybe if you guys tried having a respectful conversation with each other vs trying to force an opinion on one another, you might be able to resolve your differences?

We don't all have to like each other, but we should respect others' opinions and try to get along. If we cannot, use the ignore button.
It is really hard resolving differences with JollyGood and I doubt if after his tags he bothers revisiting the users whom he gave those tags for shit posting to see if there have been any improvement. And no matter how respectful the user's conversation might be he takes his final judgement even before any fair hearing.

I don't condemn his judgement especially when it has to do with quality of posts but there should be room for flexibility and adjustment preferably a room for a personal appeal other than giving out tags and still use the ignore button on them.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: Igebotz on October 31, 2022, 03:43:57 PM
Aren't there people here complaining about spam in gambling threads? I think that by leaving a neutral mark on low-quality posts, Jollygood warns the user to start taking responsibility for what he writes. I have looked at the neutral reviews that Jollygood has left and many of them are true.
A simple example is a user with a neutral tag (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg61204466#msg61204466) from Jollygood and a trust review warning.
He is waiting for the moderators to ban him from visiting the forum :).

I'm one of those gambling posters who has been trying so hard to clean up the gambling section by reporting and making a list of some of the bad posters on that section. I don't have the nerves to tag them yet, but I do monitor those on my list and remove them when I see some positive changes.

List]Gambling Board Spammers; Concerns, Solutions & Suggestions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403475.0;topicseen)

Those who want to tag can go ahead but don't let the neutral sounds like negative.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: mindrust on October 31, 2022, 05:28:27 PM
Back in my day, red trust ratings meant something. It wasn't something you would convert to a neutral rating so easily.

You youngsters don't know that but there was a hero...

Her name was "Lauda"...

She was the perfect scam buster and when you received a tag from her, it was impossible to get rid of it.

Once she marked you, it was over.

No second chances, no negotiations.

Appeals? Fuck em.

She would defend her position with clever arguments to the very end. She was convincing too. Never backed down. No apologies.

Those were the days...

Then eventually she got compromised. She apologized. :( That day I lost a piece of mine.

Aah...


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: Poker Player on November 01, 2022, 07:37:06 AM
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If I were you, either of you two, I would put the other on ignore and forget about it. Ignoring certain members has worked very well for me. The time I spend on the forum I don't want to spend angry, no more than absolutely necessary at least. And if you think that no matter how much of a reputation we have, we're just someone behind a nickname, it's not worth getting too upset.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: LoyceV on November 01, 2022, 09:10:53 AM
Back in my day, red trust ratings meant something. It wasn't something you would convert to a neutral rating so easily.
That's still how it should be, and that's how I leave feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=459836;page=sent;offset=0). Many of the accounts I tagged got Nuked, and the only reason I'm not removing the feedback is to serve as a historic reference. The ones that didn't get banned still deserve the feedback.

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Her name was "Lauda"...

She was the perfect scam buster and when you received a tag from her, it was impossible to get rid of it.

Once she marked you, it was over.

No second chances, no negotiations.

Appeals? Fuck em.
Lauda was too trigger happy. I remember the day he (she?) tagged 500 accounts, just to reclaim the record. You can't tag that many accounts and check of them individually.
Lauda often turned out to be right, but not always. And scaring Newbies with trigger happy tagging makes Bitcointalk look very hostile.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: DaveF on November 01, 2022, 02:32:23 PM
....And scaring Newbies with trigger happy tagging makes Bitcointalk look very hostile.

It's a very fine line as to where keeping it not a disaster ends and hostile begins.

I have left negatives for some users, not as much as a I think I really should but it's a time thing.

I have also removed a couple when asked to, by the users. Not being willing to change is not a good thing. Allowing, scammers, shit posters, and people who are causing issues on the forum and not having repercussions is also not a good thing. As I said it's a fine line and easy to cross it. Personally, I would rather be on the too harsh but willing to forgive side. But, as I said I am also too busy to tag a lot so it's kind of moot for me.

-Dave


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: dkbit98 on November 01, 2022, 05:58:28 PM
Lauda often turned out to be right, but not always. And scaring Newbies with trigger happy tagging makes Bitcointalk look very hostile.
Is there any way to see exact statistics for number of tags by each individual member?
I know Lauda tagged a lot of people, but this guy mentioned in this topic title could be worse than him (yes Lauda is a male), he could very well brake his bad record and he is not planning to stop.
Problem is that I see some members are thinking he is doing a good job (maybe because his username claims he is good  ::)) and they justify anything he does in this forum.
Just look how he is bumping certain topics, using altaccounts, tagging people left and right, and abusing trust all the time.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on November 01, 2022, 07:46:49 PM
I think JollyGood is willing to listen to advice and change his habits.
Not really, until he is under pressure.
He continues with his trust abuse and he ignores everyone who don't agree with him.
Often when someone receives advice, it's because they're not doing something right and/or are under pressure, so my statement still stands.  Regardless of whether he'd have changed any feedbacks all on his own or not, my point is that he's not someone who just hardens their position on something if they're challenged (like me sometimes, or like Lauda, TECSHARE, and some other members that come to mind).

And as I said, I had excluded JollyGood from my trust list well before I simply wiped it altogether, so hopefully no one here is taking my words to be a ringing endorsement for him.  I think his heart is in the right place and he's trying to do a good thing for the forum, but he's using the wrong tool to do it with.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: Bitcoin_Arena on November 01, 2022, 11:22:26 PM
And scaring Newbies with trigger happy tagging makes Bitcointalk look very hostile.
This is very accurate.

When my rank was still Newbie, I looked at this forum as very hostile at the beginning, especially when I read posts in Meta and reputations and saw how some individuals were behaving like gods.

It took me a while to start posting in the forum regularly.

I think we should at times be willing to adjust when it comes to feedback, especially if someone genuinely comes around seeking for forgiveness, especially for offenses that mods can handle like spamming.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: naim027 on November 02, 2022, 06:51:57 AM
Being on a DT Network is more demanding than becoming a Moderator/staff. I know it's not easy for someone to be a Moderator. I also believe moderators maintain many things, including how they will react to posts. I rarely see them tagging anyone. Moderators do their job with a lot of responsibility. But, When it comes to a DT member who is mentally sick, It's like a nuclear bomb. These DT members rule the forum.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: LoyceV on November 02, 2022, 11:02:57 AM
And as I said, I had excluded JollyGood from my trust list well before I simply wiped it altogether, so hopefully no one here is taking my words to be a ringing endorsement for him.  I think his heart is in the right place and he's trying to do a good thing for the forum, but he's using the wrong tool to do it with.
Well said. I've discussed his sent feedback a few times, but the result was he stopped trusting my judgement (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-05-28_Sat_05.06h/1016855.html). So it seems like a waste of time now.

Is there any way to see exact statistics for number of tags by each individual member?
I can't find back the link, but didn't BPIP keep track of that back in the days (maybe before theymos added pagination to the feedback page)?

When my rank was still Newbie, I looked at this forum as very hostile at the beginning, especially when I read posts in Meta and reputations and saw how some individuals were behaving like gods.
And then, a few years later, some of those users start doing the exact same thing to others.

Being on a DT Network is more demanding than becoming a Moderator/staff.
No it's not.
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When it comes to a DT member who is mentally sick, It's like a nuclear bomb.
No it's not. Does butthurt turn you into a drama queen now?


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on November 02, 2022, 02:21:26 PM
And as I said, I had excluded JollyGood from my trust list well before I simply wiped it altogether, so hopefully no one here is taking my words to be a ringing endorsement for him.  I think his heart is in the right place and he's trying to do a good thing for the forum, but he's using the wrong tool to do it with.
Well said. I've discussed his sent feedback a few times, but the result was he stopped trusting my judgement (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-05-28_Sat_05.06h/1016855.html). So it seems like a waste of time now.
Do you think most of the users who have him in their trust list don't suggest anything that will be against JollyGood or don't write any constrictive opinion about him because they think they will find themselves in his distrust list? Losing a DT vote with earning a negative vote (JollyGood will put you in his distrust list always) means the users are going to lose 2 voting points. For people who seek DT position, losing 2 points is a lot for them.

In another thread I was mentioning the users who have him in their trust list, but I am not sure how many of them really noticed it. I did not see many of them (except two I guess) to share their opinions yet. I can not quote from the topic but here they are again.
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JollyGood's judgement is Trusted by:
Vod, DiamondCardz, peloso, Coinfan, Lauda, digit, Timelord2067, jeremypwr, allyouracid, stompix, Avirunes, dopey, Gianluca95, SiNeReiNZzz, DaveF, owlcatz, examplens, nutildah, thandie, LFC_Bitcoin, s0nix, TwitchySeal, vlom, JaredKaragen, Jemzx00, Slow death, IconFirm, johnsmithx, blurryeyed, kurian, igehhh, CryptopreneurBrainboss, mosprognoz, KTChampions, icopress, indah rezqi, invincible49, logfiles, tvplus006, witcher_sense, darcon_pr, The Cryptovator, lovesmayfamilis, cryptobenn, TalkStar, Trade Runner, bitbottrader, zasad@, Rikafip, protrader786, FatFork, decodx, CryptoYar, villain_Mr.Burns, PaperWallet, wagmi.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418565.msg61198614#msg61198614

I noticed you and dkbit98 also mentioned them. It would be nice to hear from them. Why they think JollyGood is doing write thing and how don't they see the misuse he is spreading all over.

Clearly JollyGood's basics to add-remove members in his trust list is how other support or oppose his feedback leaving behavior where the basic of adding and removing a member is how accurate they are in leaving their feedback to others.

His mental illness is, he always wants to devalue others either it's with a negative feedback or neutral feedback (seems a new strategy for him because others are started to talk against the negatives recently*) or even in a dead conversation.

This is a very serious diagnosis you are making, you sound like a psychiatrist.
I realize I was too hard on wording him. It's updated and I shouldn't use such harsh word.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: LoyceV on November 02, 2022, 02:46:50 PM
Do you think most of the users who have him in their trust list don't suggest anything that will be against JollyGood or don't write any constrictive opinion about him because they think they will find themselves in his distrust list? Losing a DT vote with earning a negative vote (JollyGood will put you in his distrust list always) means the users are going to lose 2 voting points. For people who seek DT position, losing 2 points is a lot for them.
I can't say why people do or don't do things, but if you include someone hoping for backscratching, you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

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In another thread I was mentioning the users who have him in their trust list, but I am not sure how many of them really noticed it.
I assume most people don't use a notification system, so mentioning them doesn't mean they see it.

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I did not see many of them (except two I guess) to share their opinions yet.
For what it's worth, 4 people removed JollyGood from their Trust list in the past week:
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Trust list for: JollyGood (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1016855) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1016855)  +16 / =2 / -1) (DT1! (13) 1121 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1016855.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1016855.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=JollyGood)) (created 2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h)

JollyGood's judgement is Trusted by:
1. Vod (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30747) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=30747)  +27 / =2 / -1) (1934 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/30747.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/30747.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Vod))
2. DiamondCardz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=55122) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=55122)  +8 / =0 / -0) (98 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/55122.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/55122.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=DiamondCardz))
3. peloso (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81995) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=81995)  +1 / =3 / -5) (186 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/81995.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/81995.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=peloso))
4. Coinfan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=82709) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=82709)  +1 / =0 / -0) (117 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/82709.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/82709.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Coinfan))
5. Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101872)  +36 / =16 / -7) (1933 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/101872.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/101872.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Lauda))
6. digit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=123417) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=123417) neutral) (9 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/123417.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/123417.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=digit))
7. Timelord2067 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131361) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=131361)  +15 / =10 / -1) (DT1 (-2) 953 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/131361.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/131361.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Timelord2067))
8. jeremypwr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137185) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=137185)  +25 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (11) 2332 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/137185.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/137185.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=jeremypwr))
9. allyouracid (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=138833) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=138833)  +2 / =0 / -0) (271 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/138833.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/138833.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=allyouracid))
10. stompix (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=164749) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=164749)  +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 3741 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/164749.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/164749.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=stompix))
11. Avirunes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=175302) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=175302)  +12 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 420 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/175302.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/175302.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Avirunes))
12. dopey (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=193769) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=193769)  +1 / =0 / -0) (14 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/193769.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/193769.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=dopey))
13. Gianluca95 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=206159) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=206159)  +6 / =1 / -0) (181 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/206159.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/206159.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Gianluca95))
14. SiNeReiNZzz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=251328) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=251328)  +4 / =2 / -0) (792 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/251328.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/251328.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=SiNeReiNZzz))
15. DaveF (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=300014) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=300014)  +31 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 3752 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/300014.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/300014.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=DaveF))
16. owlcatz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=313016) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=313016)  +48 / =0 / -2) (647 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/313016.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/313016.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=owlcatz))
17. Removed examplens (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=314792) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=314792)  +4 / =4 / -0) (DT1! (16) 1037 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/314792.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/314792.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=examplens))
17. nutildah (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317618) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=317618)  +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 4637 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/317618.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/317618.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=nutildah))
18. thandie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=334684) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=334684) neutral) (360 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/334684.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/334684.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=thandie))
19. LFC_Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=379487) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=379487)  +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 6348 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/379487.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/379487.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=LFC_Bitcoin))
20. s0nix (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=432863) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=432863) neutral) (11 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/432863.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/432863.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=s0nix))
21. TwitchySeal (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538922) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=538922)  +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1263 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/538922.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/538922.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=TwitchySeal))
22. vlom (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=550439) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=550439)  +1 / =0 / -0) (113 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/550439.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/550439.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=vlom))
23. JaredKaragen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=553724) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=553724) neutral) (165 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/553724.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/553724.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=JaredKaragen))
24. Jemzx00 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=763568) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=763568)  +1 / =1 / -0) (37 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/763568.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/763568.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Jemzx00))
25. Slow death (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=783422) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=783422)  +3 / =2 / -0) (540 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/783422.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/783422.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Slow death))
26. IconFirm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=841288) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=841288)  +1 / =0 / -1) (74 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/841288.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/841288.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=IconFirm))
27. johnsmithx (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=880756) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=880756)  +0 / =2 / -1) (7 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/880756.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/880756.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=johnsmithx))
28. blurryeyed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885996) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=885996)  +1 / =4 / -4) (20 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/885996.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/885996.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=blurryeyed))
29. kurian (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1045367) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1045367) neutral) (2 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1045367.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1045367.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=kurian))
30. igehhh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1045971) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1045971)  +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1048 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1045971.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1045971.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=igehhh))
31. Removed CryptopreneurBrainboss (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1052091) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1052091)  +15 / =0 / -0) (3102 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1052091.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1052091.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=CryptopreneurBrainboss))
31. mosprognoz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1094569) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1094569)  +4 / =1 / -1) (177 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1094569.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1094569.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=mosprognoz))
32. KTChampions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1097370) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1097370)  +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1401 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1097370.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1097370.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=KTChampions))
33. icopress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137579) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1137579)  +21 / =0 / -0) (3432 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1137579.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1137579.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=icopress))
34. Removed indah rezqi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1189222) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1189222) neutral) (403 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1189222.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1189222.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=indah rezqi))
34. invincible49 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1215448) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1215448)  +1 / =0 / -0) (243 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1215448.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1215448.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=invincible49))
35. logfiles (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1247226) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1247226)  +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 1245 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1247226.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1247226.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=logfiles))
36. tvplus006 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1311641) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1311641)  +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 1522 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1311641.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1311641.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=tvplus006))
37. witcher_sense (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1433865) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1433865)  +16 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 3331 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1433865.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1433865.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=witcher_sense))
38. darcon_pr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1760753) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1760753) neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1760753.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=darcon_pr))
39. The Cryptovator (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1980983) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1980983)  +19 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 2029 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1980983.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1980983.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=The Cryptovator))
40. lovesmayfamilis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1982152) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1982152)  +27 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (15) 3171 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1982152.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1982152.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=lovesmayfamilis))
41. cryptobenn (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1991100) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1991100)  +0 / =0 / -1) (1 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1991100.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1991100.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=cryptobenn))
42. TalkStar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2136362) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2136362)  +11 / =0 / -0) (734 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2136362.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2136362.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=TalkStar))
43. Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312200) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200)  +0 / =1 / -1) (63 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2312200.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2312200.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Trade Runner))
44. bitbottrader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2598956) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2598956) neutral) (8 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2598956.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2598956.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbottrader))
45. zasad@ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2654005) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2654005)  +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (7) 3426 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2654005.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2654005.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=zasad@))
46. Removed Rikafip (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2658890) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2658890)  +11 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (16) 3951 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2658890.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2658890.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Rikafip))
46. protrader786 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2718720) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2718720)  +0 / =0 / -1) (61 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2718720.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2718720.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=protrader786))
47. FatFork (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2738899) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2738899)  +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1513 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2738899.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2738899.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=FatFork))
48. decodx (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2745549) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2745549)  +1 / =0 / -0) (532 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2745549.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2745549.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=decodx))
49. CryptoYar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2746686) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2746686) neutral) (593 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2746686.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2746686.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=CryptoYar))
50. villain_Mr.Burns (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2752168) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2752168)  +0 / =2 / -3) (25 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2752168.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2752168.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=villain_Mr.Burns))
51. PaperWallet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2807174) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2807174)  +0 / =1 / -2) (21 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2807174.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2807174.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=PaperWallet))
52. wagmi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3456416) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3456416) neutral) (75 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/3456416.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/3456416.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=wagmi))

Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.
Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0).
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/).


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: owlcatz on November 02, 2022, 03:25:58 PM
Since my name keeps popping up here, I assume these are taken from last weekend's trust dump. My trust list currently contains:

~JollyGood

Thanks!  ::)

In another thread I was mentioning the users who have him in their trust list, but I am not sure how many of them really noticed it.

I use one so yes, I noticed...


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: dkbit98 on November 02, 2022, 04:48:23 PM
Well said. I've discussed his sent feedback a few times, but the result was he stopped trusting my judgement (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-05-28_Sat_05.06h/1016855.html). So it seems like a waste of time now.
Maybe, but we should keep reminding everyone what JG is doing all the time.
Some people only look on good things he done in past, and ignoring this abuse and manipulations he is doing all the time.
He is calling other members a scammer without a single proof they scammed anyone, it's only in his imagination.

I can't find back the link, but didn't BPIP keep track of that back in the days (maybe before theymos added pagination to the feedback page)?
I can't remember how exactly this looked before, but I hoped you have some magical robotic skills to show this in same arranged table. ;)
Maybe someone could create a patch for this, it would be interesting to monitor this information for changes.

I noticed you and dkbit98 also mentioned them. It would be nice to hear from them. Why they think JollyGood is doing write thing and how don't they see the misuse he is spreading all over.
Yes I did mention them, and there are few of my good local board members on that list, so I will have to talk with them in private to reconsider their decision.
Easy recipe to get on JG blacklist and be ignored is to say something that he doesn't like, and in opposite situation you will be rewarded with merits from him.





Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: yahoo62278 on November 02, 2022, 05:00:58 PM
I read this thread and I feel like people are trying to force a user into their way of thinking. Conform to our thinking or we will keep trying to crucify you. I don't have JG on my trust list, hell I don't have anyone on my list as I wiped it, but even prior to wiping I didn't have him on my trust list or my ~ list. It's pretty simple and everyone is trying to make it a big deal.

If you trust someone then put them on your fucking list. If you don't then ~. If you could care less, wipe your fucking list and move on. Quit being drama queens.

It shouldn't be all about everyone thinking the same way. Most are going to have disagreements about this and that and there's a good amount that will agree on alot of topics, but if you don't agree with someone's opinion you shouldn't be trying to forcefeed your opinion onto them.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: owlcatz on November 02, 2022, 06:23:22 PM
I read this thread and I feel like people are trying to force a user into their way of thinking. Conform to our thinking or we will keep trying to crucify you. I don't have JG on my trust list, hell I don't have anyone on my list as I wiped it, but even prior to wiping I didn't have him on my trust list or my ~ list. It's pretty simple and everyone is trying to make it a big deal.

If you trust someone then put them on your fucking list. If you don't then ~. If you could care less, wipe your fucking list and move on. Quit being drama queens.

It shouldn't be all about everyone thinking the same way. Most are going to have disagreements about this and that and there's a good amount that will agree on alot of topics, but if you don't agree with someone's opinion you shouldn't be trying to forcefeed your opinion onto them.

I agree... However, after reviewing his feedbacks again after quite some time, I don't agree with them. I wasn't pushed to change it, I just did my own research and did what I thought was right. (I don't have time for crap like this either, which is why I'm blacklisted from dt1 on purpose, however I do value my list and feedbacks, even yours, @yahoo).  ;)


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: Igebotz on November 02, 2022, 08:06:06 PM
^ Since I get notifications from this thread, perhaps it's time I express my opinion and explain why I have JG on my trust list. I've had a serious PM with JG and we've discussed both personal and forum business, and he's someone I trust based on our conversations. Whenever he goes overboard with his feedback, I speak up and explain why. I'm not not p*ssy, and I'm not sure I've used -ve since I became DT1. I'm not on his trust list, so I'm not sure where the backscratching is coming from.

I've agreed/disagreed with Jollygood feedback in the past, and I've also told him my intentions; he's someone who listens but is difficult to persuade; JG may be very extreme in his feedback, which I don't like, but he's not a trade risk member, which is why I have him on my trust list.

I read this thread and I feel like people are trying to force a user into their way of thinking. Conform to our thinking or we will keep trying to crucify you. I don't have JG on my trust list, hell I don't have anyone on my list as I wiped it, but even prior to wiping I didn't have him on my trust list or my ~ list. It's pretty simple and everyone is trying to make it a big deal.  :)
The sentiment is embarrassing.

N/B: Beware of liars with hidden agenda! My trust feedbacks and trust list doesn't look like someone who's abusing or have no knowledge of the system.  :-\


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on November 02, 2022, 09:00:16 PM
JG may be very extreme in his feedback, which I don't like, but he's not a trade risk member, which is why I have him on my trust list.
This is wrong idea of your understanding for the DefaultTrust system 😉

Trade risk reflects on the trust feedback page. Example: Before doing a trade I visit your trust page (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1045971) and try to find if you have any previous trade history to feel confident about the trade I am about to do with you.

Trust list to vote/devote members based on the accuracy of leaving feedback to others. The list has very little relation with doing a trade with other members or to yourself. Example: In your trust list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust), someone without ~ leaves accurate feedback and with ~ leaves inaccurate feedback to others.

Easy recipe to get on JG blacklist and be ignored is to say something that he doesn't like, and in opposite situation you will be rewarded with merits from him.
I noticed it in many occasions that's how he motivate others to continue responding him and continue the conversations.

Recently, he is leaving notes (self notes in a neutral feedback form of-course) for others as spammers because of low value posts or whatever things he see there.  But he is fine to quote older posts, I call them dead topics (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416930.msg61202562#msg61202562) (Quote from: Ratimov on October 13, 2022, 02:47:35 AM, Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on October 14, 2022, 06:53:50 AM, Quote from: Ratimov on October 16, 2022, 05:20:08 PM, Quote from: yahoo62278 on October 16, 2022, 10:54:08 PM and of course the last quote was his recent from another user) and starts a re-conversation with the same repeating words that were told by others or by himself already. What kind of quality post are these? LOL 


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: allyouracid on November 02, 2022, 09:18:35 PM
I assume most people don't use a notification system, so mentioning them doesn't mean they see it.
I actually use a Telegram notification bot, but since I'm rarely active here, recently, I didn't put much focus on the notifications. It was just now that I saw a couple of new notifications.

I put Jolly in my trust list quite some time ago – back then, he was actively exposing scammers. Sometimes a bit over the top, but I felt he generally did a good job.
I'll go through the information presented in this thread in the next days and see if I see any need to reconsider.
I have never had an issue in speaking with Jollygood. Every time we have interacted via pm, he has been nothing but respectful towards me, even if it's on a matter we might disagree upon.
So far, this pretty much aligns with my experience. But as indicated, I can't say much about recent times (yet).
We don't all have to like each other, but we should respect others' opinions and try to get along. If we cannot, use the ignore button.
👍


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on November 03, 2022, 01:23:50 AM
Seems I'm late to the party, huh.
Why's everyone just trying to be pragmatic ?? ...and I'm seeing a huge division in-between. Personally, I think JG is paving - too far apart from the DTs' Coast..... but, that doesn't make him wrong; just like I'd not accept the fact that I'm wrong in saying that 'JG' is rolling over his coast If anyone would say NAY. He's been given free-hands to rule over his discretions along time ago, ehhhhh ......but you see....JG, you just need to 'tender a lil justice with mercy'. I understand that it's your .... yunno, jurisdiction - per say - but sometimes you might over react and you don't know..... You surprised? No you shouldn't.. anything is possible; maybe, anything could cause an overreaction - weariness from the day's job, transfered aggressions, depression, a totally different perception when it comes to default-trusting OR someone could even decide to tag users to get FAMOUS, sounds weird right? :D what a level of callowness that would be.
JG has proven his actions to be genuine from those ref links but; it seems he played rugby 🏉 on the harmiside, in Massachusetts so he's a kinda tough, heavily built guy yunno.lol.. please don't tag me :P . Seriously, this is how I'll conclude: if I were JG, I'll quickly observe that alot of reputables -- just like myself -- are somewhat against my sternness ( reasons are not because they're right or because I'm wrong) but for the fact that it makes everyone else uncomfortable (as I feel), I'd never change my focal preference, but I'll change my tagging habits since 1,2,4,6,8,15 people think I'm overreacting, which won't yield anything better than getting everyone used to the Gaddamnnn tags (as loyce said). It might even get to a point when it ain't looked at, as a warning.
I don't have a trust list yet and I'm not sure I'm in anyone's trust list (the heck gives a f***?)? but I have people I can trust in here. Some peeps just need a few more days to keep it together, some don't think it's necessary.

Sandra 💇


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: LoyceV on November 03, 2022, 09:39:20 AM
he's not a trade risk member, which is why I have him on my trust list.
Please read my Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0):
Don't confuse your Trust list with feedback
Trust feedback: leave feedback to people you trust or don't trust. Or leave neutral comments.
Trust list: a list of people who's judgement on others you trust (username) or don't trust (~username).


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: Igebotz on November 03, 2022, 10:44:24 AM
Hey How about you both stop trying to own the system and start respecting people's opinions and stop trying to push your agenda on everyone who added JG to their trust list simply because you disagree with his feedbacks? and perhaps both of you should refrain from lecturing me on trust lists and feedbacks. If you didn't understand my previous comment, you should have politely requested some in-depth explanations.


This is wrong idea of your understanding for the DefaultTrust system 😉

Trade risk reflects on the trust feedback page. Example: Before doing a trade I visit your trust page (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1045971) and try to find if you have any previous trade history to feel confident about the trade I am about to do with you.

Trust list to vote/devote members based on the accuracy of leaving feedback to others. The list has very little relation with doing a trade with other members or to yourself. Example: In your trust list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust), someone without ~ leaves accurate feedback and with ~ leaves inaccurate feedback to others.
Please read my Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0):


His mental illness is, he always wants to devalue others either it's with a negative feedback or neutral feedback (seems a new strategy for him because others are started to talk against the negatives recently*) or even in a dead conversation.
Since you are his psychiatrist, why not tell us more so that the community will reconsider their opinions of him or donate to his mental illness? This does not appear be about his feedbacks, but rather an attempt to persuade the community to join your personal agenda against JollyGood. If you believe any of his feedbacks are an abuse of the system, why not quote them out and let the community discuss it, or send him a PM, as I have done in the past with positive results. Everyone makes errors.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: unibitcoinist on November 03, 2022, 10:50:55 AM
I'm not sure I've used -ve since I became DT1. ^^^^^
^^^
but he's not a trade risk member, which is why I have him on my trust list.
You don't know what is trust list and you managed to be DT1 member.
This proves DT system is a joke.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on November 03, 2022, 11:09:55 AM
You have exploded like a volcano and it's better not to talk about it with you since you are denying to understand the system.
It's frustrating to see there are still many out there who still do not understand the system. Perhaps as a community we failed completely and the work from theymos gone down in vain. I don't know if I have you in my TrustList or not but since you really do not understand how it works then you deserve to have the negative vote. I will recheck after few months to see if you have improved but right now your understanding of DefaultTrust system is wrong. It's not about own the system it's about right use of the system.

Hey How about you both stop trying to own the system and start respecting people's opinions and stop trying to push your agenda on everyone who added JG to their trust list simply because you disagree with his feedbacks?
It's better to quote (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.0) you what my main man suggested everyone when he had the idea of redoing the DefaultTrust system.
Quote
if someone on DT1 is doing something stupid, you can ask other DT1 members to distrust them.

His mental illness is, he always wants to devalue others either it's with a negative feedback or neutral feedback (seems a new strategy for him because others are started to talk against the negatives recently*) or even in a dead conversation.
Since you are his psychiatrist
The part with mental illness has changed yesterday. Sad to see you even missed to quote it from the topic post itself.

His mental illness is, he always wants to devalue others either it's with a negative feedback or neutral feedback (seems a new strategy for him because others are started to talk against the negatives recently*) or even in a dead conversation.

This is a very serious diagnosis you are making, you sound like a psychiatrist.
I realize I was too hard on wording him. It's updated and I shouldn't use such harsh word.
The reason for your explosion does not make any sense though. Sorry, if there were any hurt feeling.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: LoyceV on November 03, 2022, 11:37:50 AM
Hey How about you both stop trying to own the system and start respecting people's opinions and stop trying to push your agenda on everyone who added JG to their trust list simply because you disagree with his feedbacks? and perhaps both of you should refrain from lecturing me on trust lists and feedbacks. If you didn't understand my previous comment, you should have politely requested some in-depth explanations.
Your previous comment looked very clear to me, but feel free to share your in-depth explanations.
I couldn't care less who you include or exclude, but I do care if it's for the wrong reasons. As far as the "lecturing" goes: read what theymos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221908.msg53741011#msg53741011) has to say about it:
LoyceV's guide seems reasonable.
~
Trust lists

 - If you find someone who has sent accurate trust actions and has no inaccurate/inappropriate trust actions, add them to your trust list. Inclusion in trust lists is a more a mark of useful contributions than your trust in them, though at least a little trust is necessary.
 - If you think that someone is not using the trust system appropriately, or if you disagree with some of their subjective determinations, exclude them from your trust list. If bad outcomes happen in DT, this is partly the fault/responsibility of: the bad actors themselves; DT1 who include the bad-actors; DT1 who don't exclude the bad-actors; DT1 who include or don't exclude failing DT1; anyone else who includes failing DT1. While it's best to spend some time trying to fix things at the lower levels before escalating it, it's reasonable to complain to any of those people, as I did regarding Lauda that one time, for example. (Of course, the system itself is probably also imperfect, and that's on me.)

This proves DT system is a joke.
The joke's on the users who included him:
Quote
Trust list for: igehhh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1045971) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1045971)  +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1048 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1045971.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1045971.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=igehhh)) (created 2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h)

igehhh's judgement is Trusted by:
1. wwzsocki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131333) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=131333)  +16 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1316 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/131333.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/131333.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=wwzsocki))
2. kro55 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=209546) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=209546) neutral) (36 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/209546.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/209546.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=kro55))
3. LFC_Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=379487) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=379487)  +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 6348 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/379487.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/379487.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=LFC_Bitcoin))
4. Adbitco (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=853829) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=853829) neutral) (288 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/853829.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/853829.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Adbitco))
5. CryptopreneurBrainboss (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1052091) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1052091)  +15 / =0 / -0) (3102 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1052091.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1052091.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=CryptopreneurBrainboss))
6. lovesmayfamilis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1982152) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1982152)  +27 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (15) 3171 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1982152.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1982152.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=lovesmayfamilis))
7. 1miau (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2143453) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2143453)  +9 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (26) 4672 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2143453.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2143453.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=1miau))
8. YOSHIE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2363935) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2363935)  +11 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1568 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2363935.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2363935.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=YOSHIE))
9. Smartvirus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2737799) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2737799)  +3 / =0 / -0) (1008 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2737799.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2737799.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Smartvirus))
10. Stalker22 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2739454) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2739454)  +1 / =0 / -0) (911 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2739454.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2739454.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Stalker22))
11. NEW decodx (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2745549) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2745549)  +1 / =0 / -0) (532 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2745549.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2745549.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=decodx))
12. Apocollapse (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2789534) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2789534) neutral) (399 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2789534.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2789534.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Apocollapse))
13. Rruchi man (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2863343) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2863343) neutral) (840 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2863343.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2863343.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Rruchi man))
14. KingsDen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3333894) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3333894) neutral) (812 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/3333894.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/3333894.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=KingsDen))


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: examplens on November 03, 2022, 11:53:24 AM
why was this thread turned into an explanation (or even an excuse) of why someone put someone on the trust or distrust list?

Considering that we mostly don't know each other personally, is the trust list crucial for judging our personalities?


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: naim027 on November 03, 2022, 12:51:41 PM
Quote
When it comes to a DT member who is mentally sick, It's like a nuclear bomb.
No it's not. Does butthurt turn you into a drama queen now?

I don't think it's possible. Don't miss judge my Gender, please.
I don't have anything to lose here. No need to create drama.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on November 03, 2022, 02:06:43 PM
Being on a DT Network is more demanding than becoming a Moderator/staff.
Jesus, you're still here.  I'd hoped those mods you're talking about would change their minds about the mercy they showed you, but apparently not.  And how in the hell would you know what being a DT member is like compared to a mod?  You're wrong about it, too.  Mods have a job to do; DT members don't have to do anything at all.

Well said. I've discussed his sent feedback a few times, but the result was he stopped trusting my judgement (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-05-28_Sat_05.06h/1016855.html). So it seems like a waste of time now.
Yeah, I'm currently having a PM chat with him about some stuff.  The truth is that I haven't looked at his sent feedback in quite a while, and I said I would do so.  And honestly, I'm going to have to re-read this entire thread to refresh my memory about what all the complaints against JG are.  


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: Stalker22 on November 03, 2022, 09:06:38 PM
The joke's on the users who included him:
~

I do not understand. Why is it bad to include igehhh in my trust list? I did not pay attention to his trust list, but I only looked at his trust feedback that he left for others. I haven't noticed any "inaccurate/inappropriate trust actions" from him lately. Am I wrong?


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: yahoo62278 on November 03, 2022, 09:13:16 PM
The joke's on the users who included him:
~

I do not understand. Why is it bad to include igehhh in my trust list? I did not pay attention to his trust list, but I only looked at his trust feedback that he left for others. I haven't noticed any "inaccurate/inappropriate trust actions" from him lately. Am I wrong?

I think they might be referring to those who have Jollygood in their list. Igehhh is just being talked about due to whom is in their list, but they can include whomever they want like anyone else.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on November 04, 2022, 09:09:48 AM
The joke's on the users who included him:
~

I do not understand. Why is it bad to include igehhh in my trust list? I did not pay attention to his trust list, but I only looked at his trust feedback that he left for others. I haven't noticed any "inaccurate/inappropriate trust actions" from him lately. Am I wrong?
I think it's difficult to know what criteria members who are in your trust list consider to add or remove someone in their trust list. Discussions like these are helpful. When we are adding or removing anyone in our trust list we should consider who they have in their list too. Ultimately it's a chain.

To clearly understand please read response from me (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418815.msg61228742#msg61228742) and LoyceV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418815.msg61231010#msg61231010). Adding someone (which igehhh said he added) in the trust list because they are not trade risk is a wrong use of DefautTrust system. Trade risk reflects on feedback page.



Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: Bitcoin_Arena on November 04, 2022, 03:05:55 PM
Being on a DT Network is more demanding than becoming a Moderator/staff.
No, it's not if you are doing the right things, conforming to the community standards.

But, When it comes to a DT member who is mentally sick, It's like a nuclear bomb. These DT members rule the forum.
People come from different walks of life, some are rude, others are humble, some are rigid, others are flexible. There's nothing much you can do to change one's character, especially on the internet.

Lauda was one member who couldn't be advised when it came to matters of the red trust. Fun fact; I got know about Lauda and red trust even before I joined the forum. He was so popular that some people discussed him in a certain crypto telegram groups. I even thought he was an admin of bitcointalk  ;D
He softened towards his exit, especially when some member uncovered some plagiarized posts and tried to get him banned.

No DT is a ruler or god here, well except maybe the admin, since he can do anything he likes with the forum.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: KingsDen on November 04, 2022, 08:40:33 PM
But, When it comes to a DT member who is mentally sick, It's like a nuclear bomb. These DT members rule the forum.
People come from different walks of life, some are rude, others are humble, some are rigid, others are flexible. There's nothing much you can do to change one's character, especially on the internet.

This is a fact most of us have refused to acknowledge. We came from different walks of life. Personally, I came from a background where elders are always right, you dare not argue with an elder. I came from a background where you don't abuse anyone for any reason. Possibly I haven't involved in fights or quarell since I was born, that's if my memory didn't fail me.

In the other hand, there are warriors, killers, abusers and hardened criminals who are here. Expecting to receive kind treatment from everyone is a total delusion.


No DT is a ruler or god here, well except maybe the admin, since he can do anything he likes with the forum.

Some DT members are gods because the system made it so. Assuming there is a system that measures your judgement, such that if you leave 10 wrong neg tags you will be excluded from DT as long as this forum lasts. Maybe someone whose DT life is remaining 3 will be more careful to leave feedbacks.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: 1miau on November 05, 2022, 03:55:03 AM
This proves DT system is a joke.
The joke's on the users who included him:
Quote
Trust list for: igehhh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1045971) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1045971)  +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1048 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1045971.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1045971.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=igehhh)) (created 2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h)

igehhh's judgement is Trusted by:
1. wwzsocki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131333) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=131333)  +16 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1316 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/131333.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/131333.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=wwzsocki))
2. kro55 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=209546) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=209546) neutral) (36 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/209546.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/209546.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=kro55))
3. LFC_Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=379487) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=379487)  +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 6348 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/379487.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/379487.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=LFC_Bitcoin))
4. Adbitco (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=853829) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=853829) neutral) (288 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/853829.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/853829.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Adbitco))
5. CryptopreneurBrainboss (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1052091) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1052091)  +15 / =0 / -0) (3102 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1052091.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1052091.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=CryptopreneurBrainboss))
6. lovesmayfamilis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1982152) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1982152)  +27 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (15) 3171 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1982152.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1982152.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=lovesmayfamilis))
7. 1miau (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2143453) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2143453)  +9 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (26) 4672 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2143453.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2143453.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=1miau))
8. YOSHIE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2363935) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2363935)  +11 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1568 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2363935.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2363935.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=YOSHIE))
9. Smartvirus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2737799) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2737799)  +3 / =0 / -0) (1008 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2737799.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2737799.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Smartvirus))
10. Stalker22 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2739454) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2739454)  +1 / =0 / -0) (911 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2739454.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2739454.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Stalker22))
11. NEW decodx (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2745549) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2745549)  +1 / =0 / -0) (532 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2745549.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2745549.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=decodx))
12. Apocollapse (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2789534) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2789534) neutral) (399 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2789534.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2789534.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Apocollapse))
13. Rruchi man (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2863343) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2863343) neutral) (840 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2863343.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2863343.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Rruchi man))
14. KingsDen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3333894) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3333894) neutral) (812 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/3333894.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/3333894.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=KingsDen))
I can't see any misjudgement here because igehhh's left feedbacks (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1045971) are generally of high quality and very beneficial to the community. In addition, igehhh has dedicated some time to compile a valuable list of abusers in the gambling section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403475.0). Yes, it's not related to trust but it's related to what's beneficial to the forum.
Considering his accurate feedbacks and his overall dedication to improve the forum, I trust igehhh's judgement and I don't see any valid arguments which prove otherwise.

The joke's on the users who included him:
~

I do not understand. Why is it bad to include igehhh in my trust list? I did not pay attention to his trust list, but I only looked at his trust feedback that he left for others. I haven't noticed any "inaccurate/inappropriate trust actions" from him lately.
+1
I don't see anything provably bad in having igehhh on our trust lists.
Quite the opposite: his accurate left feedbacks are good reasons to add him on our trust list.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on November 05, 2022, 11:23:43 AM
This proves DT system is a joke.
The joke's on the users who included him:
Quote
Trust list for: igehhh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1045971) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1045971)  +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1048 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1045971.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1045971.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=igehhh)) (created 2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h)

igehhh's judgement is Trusted by:
1. wwzsocki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131333) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=131333)  +16 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1316 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/131333.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/131333.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=wwzsocki))
2. kro55 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=209546) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=209546) neutral) (36 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/209546.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/209546.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=kro55))
3. LFC_Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=379487) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=379487)  +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 6348 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/379487.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/379487.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=LFC_Bitcoin))
4. Adbitco (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=853829) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=853829) neutral) (288 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/853829.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/853829.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Adbitco))
5. CryptopreneurBrainboss (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1052091) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1052091)  +15 / =0 / -0) (3102 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1052091.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1052091.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=CryptopreneurBrainboss))
6. lovesmayfamilis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1982152) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1982152)  +27 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (15) 3171 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1982152.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/1982152.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=lovesmayfamilis))
7. 1miau (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2143453) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2143453)  +9 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (26) 4672 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2143453.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2143453.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=1miau))
8. YOSHIE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2363935) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2363935)  +11 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1568 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2363935.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2363935.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=YOSHIE))
9. Smartvirus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2737799) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2737799)  +3 / =0 / -0) (1008 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2737799.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2737799.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Smartvirus))
10. Stalker22 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2739454) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2739454)  +1 / =0 / -0) (911 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2739454.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2739454.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Stalker22))
11. NEW decodx (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2745549) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2745549)  +1 / =0 / -0) (532 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2745549.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2745549.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=decodx))
12. Apocollapse (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2789534) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2789534) neutral) (399 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2789534.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2789534.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Apocollapse))
13. Rruchi man (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2863343) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2863343) neutral) (840 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2863343.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/2863343.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Rruchi man))
14. KingsDen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3333894) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3333894) neutral) (812 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/3333894.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h/3333894.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=KingsDen))
I can't see any misjudgement here because igehhh's left feedbacks (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1045971) are generally of high quality and very beneficial to the community. In addition, igehhh has dedicated some time to compile a valuable list of abusers in the gambling section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403475.0). Yes, it's not related to trust but it's related to what's beneficial to the forum.
Considering his accurate feedbacks and his overall dedication to improve the forum, I trust igehhh's judgement and I don't see any valid arguments which prove otherwise.
Being in the dt needs a good understanding of how the network works. Anyone can leave accurate feedback but they should not be in dt unless they understand the system correctly. Anyone have a place in DT should needs to understand who they should vote and shouldn't. Or for their wrong votes, abusers will take place in the system and will make the system unworthy.

I like what igehhh said in the post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418815.msg61216261#msg61216261). He is doing a great job for cleaning up the gambling section and not trying to get noticed at all. That's how it should be and igehhh should be a good asset for the forum; he is, there are no doubt. But JollyGood, giving self notes on others feedback page which seems like he wants others to see the negative judgment and take a bad take from it, looks bad. He his judging users who are here years before even he started to wear diapers. Constantly devaluing them with his abusive behaviors, acting like a prosecutor in everything, spreading false sense of fear; all looks like he wants all attention of whatever he is doing. No doubt the abuse he is doing all the time with his negative feedback and complains coming up against him all the time, all are not good at all.



Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: decodx on November 05, 2022, 12:16:03 PM
I can't see any misjudgement here because igehhh's left feedbacks (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1045971) are generally of high quality and very beneficial to the community. In addition, igehhh has dedicated some time to compile a valuable list of abusers in the gambling section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403475.0). Yes, it's not related to trust but it's related to what's beneficial to the forum.
Considering his accurate feedbacks and his overall dedication to improve the forum, I trust igehhh's judgement and I don't see any valid arguments which prove otherwise.

That's exactly why I added igehhh to my trust list recently.

I have been spending some time reading his feedbacks and if I approve of igehhh's judgement than I think it's the right way of using the trust system to add him to my trust list. I'm not saying that everyone should do the same. I think personal trust lists are a very subjective thing and should be an expression of your own judgement and not a copy of other people's. I'm just saying that igehhh is someone who's feedbacks I trust, and if you want to know why then you should read his feedbacks.

Being in the dt needs a good understanding of how the network works. Anyone can leave accurate feedback but they should not be in dt unless they understand the system correctly. Anyone have a place in DT should needs to understand who they should vote and shouldn't. Or for their wrong votes, abusers will take place in the system and will make the system unworthy.

If that's the case, then the whole DT voting system is flawed. Why should I care about someone else's trust lists? Why should anyone? It's their personal opinion, and everyone is entitled to it.

I believe that only through diversity can a community remain fresh and vibrant. If everyone were the same, how boring would that be? I like diversity because it helps me to see things from different perspectives. That's why I don't mind you doing whatever you want with your trust lists, even if it seems strange to me. I don't mind that you have a different opinion than mine. I know we're all unique individuals with our own experiences and thoughts, and it's okay if we disagree about things.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on November 05, 2022, 02:41:30 PM
I would call this topic a clarification of the personal claims of one person to another. If one says that the other person is doing something wrong, one can go further and see what many people in DT are doing, which is the same thing they think is "wrong." It's just that no one pitted these people against each other, and therefore there are no new dramas. (not yet)
But if the system needs to be radically changed, let's tell everyone when and what they are doing wrong.
All adults are here, and it is challenging to judge who and when wore diapers. I think you will hear a lot of feedback about whom these teachers are and why they began to use the word "should." Why do they allow themselves to communicate in a not-quite-decent tone? And also appoint a new position as a lawyer.
The best thing that has been invented is the tilde sign. Does everyone know how to use it?


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: PaperWallet on November 07, 2022, 11:15:54 PM
His mental illness is, he always wants to devalue others
You can't base psychological diagnostics on forum posts. And by calling it "mental illness", you're doing exactly what you accuse him of: devaluing him.

It has nothing to do with psychiatric diagnosis, but it is rather ignorance, because "wanting to devalue others" is not a psychiatric diagnosis.

It is no wonder though since most of the "Lengendary" and "Hero" members here have very low value, both moral and monetary, and it would be justified for one of the few good members here like JollyGood to point it out. Unless the OP wants to believe that being of "low value" does not exist and thus no one should be "devalued".


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on November 08, 2022, 01:49:12 PM
It is no wonder though since most of the "Lengendary" and "Hero" members here have very low value, both moral and monetary, and it would be justified for one of the few good members here like JollyGood to point it out. Unless the OP wants to believe that being of "low value" does not exist and thus no one should be "devalued".
Do you really think you are in a position to lecture value and devalue? In all your forum life you are spreading rumors and supporting rumors that makes you happy to underestimate reputable forum members. JollyGood is just a wanna be reputable forum member who in my opinion is a sadist. He feels good when he insults others. He takes it a pleasure in seeing others are suffering.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: Oluwa-btc on November 10, 2022, 02:12:46 PM
In as much as I hate to admit, I dread the Profile Username JollyGood but honestly speaking, if you watch and analyse the effort he has shown and done towards combating and tackling low quality post in the gambling section you'll give him the regards and applause for his tirelessness. The Red trust given to some user's from JollyGood to some user's over months are wrong reading from replies have seen innit this thread, but if that would help reduce the shvt posting and spammers down that end then so be it.

I personally don't have issues with him, but if I should me genuine suggestions on thr gambling section and board, since users who starts thread are just too lazed to follow up those threads and help curb those shvt posting, then I'll go by saying, those football threads should be self moderated by JollyGood alone. This is just my opinion, a lot might not dance to it though.

The only thing I find faulty with him is that, he was a bit biased when I wrote innit his self- moderated thread deleting a post I bashed Chelsea for a game they lost. ( Knowing very well that JollyGood is a Chelsea football fan ). Maybe he will be neutral if Theymos eventually makes him a moderator in that gambling section. ( That's for Biq T Theymos to decide though )

I'm certain he is fit for that, this are no flattering, I'm no friends with JG. I just hope to see changes drastically. Peace ✌️


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on November 10, 2022, 05:47:50 PM
He softened towards his exit, especially when some member uncovered some plagiarized posts and tried to get him banned.
Really?  I certainly don't remember it that way at all, though I admit my memory is faulty more often than I'd like it to be.  Lauda didn't exactly rage quit the forum, but I could have sworn that, like Vod, Lauda started leaving some very questionable feedback and I began to lose trust in him somewhat.  I'm just too tired and/or lazy to go back and look at Lauda's trust page to verify that.  Perhaps I will later.

I also knew of Lauda and some others before I became a member, as I was a lurker for months before joining and found the drama here to be more than a little bit interesting.  It's been dull as of late, but man....when something pops off, bitcointalk can be the most entertaining site on the net.

If that's the case, then the whole DT voting system is flawed. Why should I care about someone else's trust lists? Why should anyone? It's their personal opinion, and everyone is entitled to it.
To be fair, people have been calling the DT list flawed for a very long time, especially when it came from the top down, i.e., before Theymos changed it to the rotating system we have now.  I think it's worse now, and it's gotten to the point where being on DT is practically meaningless (which isn't how it used to be).

I believe that only through diversity can a community remain fresh and vibrant. If everyone were the same, how boring would that be? I like diversity because it helps me to see things from different perspectives. That's why I don't mind you doing whatever you want with your trust lists, even if it seems strange to me.
I agree with that.  At the same time, there's always been a need to define a set of members who've demonstrated their trustworthiness, especially since this forum has always scammers stacked up from the floor to the ceiling, coming out of the cracks in the woodwork, and jumping out of the cereal box when you open it.  I couldn't say if it's gotten better over the years, but the DT system always did have a purpose, even if its setup was highly flawed.

Anyway as I've said before, my trust list now consists of exactly this: ~DefaultTrust.  I've opted out of the game I no longer care to play.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on December 15, 2022, 12:24:10 AM
JollyGood, you do realize, you don't even have balls to response me directly. Who did you even addressed when you quoted me on that thread?

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Sending PMs to nearly all members that trust me
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5428335.msg61444043#msg61444043

https://i.postimg.cc/cCbjFWQT/liar.png

Sadist liar JollyGood, I dare you. Prove it.

Really, I need mental stability? Or you do. Aren't you such a bully who do things behind the closed doors to seek PM-help from oldies to get favour (at least you reached to The Skeptical Chymist)? It's okay, when children are in diaper, they need help from parents and grand parents. But when you keep looking for opportunity to leave negative feedback (red or plain), misuse DT power to harass forum users, eventually create unnecessary controversy but then runaway to response the victims without giving a justification; you will find users like me stood up and standing by the victims. It does not matter if the bully is a diaper baby like you or an OG of the community.

We built the community with our blood and sweat for the development of Bitcoin. It's not built for power seeker sadist like you who spend all their time to harass forum members. Sadly since the merit system placed in action, people like you are spreading fear on the web all the time. You are cashing out from the false sense of scam busting. It's not scam busting but an very proven easy way to benefit for your own interest. You are using it to earn merit, take a place in DT then eventually earn from signature campaign. But sadly all your activities are resulting a huge denial from new crypto startup to newly interested people who wants to register with us. The forum is a scary place for low rank members and new crypto business. You are not useful for bitcoin development.

P.S: To prove my point can someone bring a topic where JollyGood had a knowledgeable conversation about bitcoin and its development? I don't find any after looking at his post history. All his posts were made at announcements (sltcoins), gambling discussion, scam accusations, gambling, tokens (sltcoins), reputation, sltcoin discussion, speculation (sltcoins), politics & Society and Meta.

It's interesting, 33% of your post are in shitcoin spammer heaven boards and you are leaving personal notes to others, justifying it's fine because it's a neutral feedback. Ironic 🤣


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: yahoo62278 on December 15, 2022, 12:39:08 AM


 Aren't you such a bully who do things behind the closed doors to seek PM-help from oldies to get favour (at least you reached to The Skeptical Chymist)? It's okay, when children are in diaper, they need help from parents and grand parents. But when you keep looking for opportunity to leave negative feedback (red or plain), misuse DT power to harass forum users, eventually create unnecessary controversy but then runaway to response the victims without giving a justification; you will find users like me stood up and standing by the victims. It does not matter if the bully is a diaper baby like you or an OG of the community.


You appear to be the 1 trying to keep the drama going IMO. You take every opportunity to call out JG that you can. The reality is you come off as a bully who is also trying to harass a user instead of just moving on and ~JG. If all the DT wanted him off then they would have removed him by now. You're closer to being ~ than he is IMO at this point.

I don't care if you like each other or not. Can't get along, then don't reply in topics about the other. Hit ignore and grow the fuck up. You made your point and stood up to him, so isn't it time to stop being 12? So tired of forum drama queens.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: dkbit98 on December 15, 2022, 11:10:21 PM
You appear to be the 1 trying to keep the drama going IMO. You take every opportunity to call out JG that you can. The reality is you come off as a bully who is also trying to harass a user instead of just moving on and ~JG. If all the DT wanted him off then they would have removed him by now. You're closer to being ~ than he is IMO at this point.
Maybe he would stop if we didn't saw other members popping up all the time complaining about JollyBad and his feedback and/or behavior.
Just look at his post history, feedback to other members and than say who is acting like a kid and drama queen.
He is obviously enjoying this and he gave you a merit for your post, so good work in his eyes :D

@BitcoinGirl.Club you should really stop feeding the troll, and leave him in his duplicated gambling topics.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on December 16, 2022, 01:29:55 PM
You appear to be the 1 trying to keep the drama going IMO. You take every opportunity to call out JG that you can. The reality is you come off as a bully who is also trying to harass a user instead of just moving on and ~JG. If all the DT wanted him off then they would have removed him by now. You're closer to being ~ than he is IMO at this point.

I don't care if you like each other or not. Can't get along, then don't reply in topics about the other. Hit ignore and grow the fuck up. You made your point and stood up to him, so isn't it time to stop being 12? So tired of forum drama queens.
Yahoo yahoo, come on brother.
Yes, I may look like a bully but against which member? The only way to stop a bully is to bully him back and for the sake of wellbeing of entire forum, a bully is necessary against a sadist.

Theymos specifically suggested if anyone is misusing their DT status and abusing feedback then take a stand against him. Your job is done by just saying ~JollyGood which I understand you don't want to go for any personal conflict with anyone. I also understand many people like you do not want to go against a personal conflict with anyone especially not against JollyGood. You find out why is that, I don't want to write another few paragraphs of why very few people stand against him and why some don't.

I do not care to have a personal conflict with anyone for greater benefit of the forum. I was expecting a better response, as response to the concerns raised against JollyGood from many users. I would appreciate if you would find me how is JollyGood helping the bitcoin ecosystem and bitcoin development? I could not find any. I doubt he even know how to set up a MultiSig bitcoin wallet unless he starts studying it now. How is he helping the forum? All he is doing is spreading fear to members. Why?

If you answer me, he is a good scam buster, that's bullshit. He may used to, started it to gain merit, to build a reputation and to have attention of good vibe but from a year or more, he is not a scam buster anymore, he turned into a bully. He proved himself that he is a sadist. Just look at the topics created against him requesting to remove unwanted feedback left on their walls. It keeps going from last few years. When red feedback became harder for him, he invented an new way of leaving negative feedback. What else you need from him to justify that he is not a sadist?

Unfortunately when it is about JollyGood, there are very few people are talking about it. Some in his favour and some against his works. You are one of them of this small group. If you are so tired of it then just ignore anything related to JollyGood, in fact ignore the entire reputation board.



Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: saxydev on December 27, 2022, 03:12:06 PM
I have posted 3 times so far, nobody even quoted or reply to my problem.
Received a feedback of being alt of the Rock trading by JollyJonnyBeGood.
I have talked about it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5431185.msg61494792#msg61494792
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg61204690#msg61204690
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418565.msg61204784#msg61204784


Thank you everyone ignoring my posts and thank you JollyJonnyBeGood for being such a BeGood personality.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: examplens on December 27, 2022, 11:59:51 PM
I have posted 3 times so far, nobody even quoted or reply to my problem.
Received a feedback of being alt of the Rock trading by JollyJonnyBeGood.
I have talked about it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5431185.msg61494792#msg61494792
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg61204690#msg61204690
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418565.msg61204784#msg61204784


Thank you everyone ignoring my posts and thank you JollyJonnyBeGood for being such a BeGood personality.

what exactly do you want to say here?
you didn't even try to explain that he was wrong. also as far as I can see, his feedback is based on his assumption, and anyone who wants to do business with you will have a dose of suspicion, and there's still nothing wrong with that.
what is the problem you want to present here?


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: saxydev on December 28, 2022, 12:18:55 AM
I have posted 3 times so far, nobody even quoted or reply to my problem.
Received a feedback of being alt of the Rock trading by JollyJonnyBeGood.
I have talked about it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5431185.msg61494792#msg61494792
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg61204690#msg61204690
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418565.msg61204784#msg61204784


Thank you everyone ignoring my posts and thank you JollyJonnyBeGood for being such a BeGood personality.

what exactly do you want to say here?
you didn't even try to explain that he was wrong. also as far as I can see, his feedback is based on his assumption, and anyone who wants to do business with you will have a dose of suspicion, and there's still nothing wrong with that.
what is the problem you want to present here?

Anyone can assume whatever they want, but tag someone based on assumption and without any basic logic proof just because you can and his feedback is stronger than mine, ain't that fair right?

What can I say? And why is there a need for an explanation that he is wrong? How can I explain something obvious already?! Tell me, how can I prove I am not someone? In any way with any means!? He just sends feedbacks left and right because he is bored, this is what happens.


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on December 28, 2022, 07:23:07 AM
what is the problem you want to present here?
His problem is, he is not an alt of the account that JollyGood is thinking or would like to think.

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his feedback is based on his assumption
He really needs to learn to have self note in a dairy or in a notepad. I don't understand why he is so triggered to write anything on others feedback page and he has to be always in the reputation section. You will rarely find weeks where there are no complain against his feedback left for someone else. All of us are in the forum from years even before half a decades before JollyGood heard about the forum but none of us have many complains about feedback leaving for others.

Without him in the DT network, members will live in peace. He is a curse to the DT network.

saxydev, all you can do is ~JollyGood on your trust page : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust


Title: Re: JollyGood and his devaluing attitude
Post by: saxydev on December 28, 2022, 08:22:43 PM
what is the problem you want to present here?
His problem is, he is not an alt of the account that JollyGood is thinking or would like to think.

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his feedback is based on his assumption
He really needs to learn to have self note in a dairy or in a notepad. I don't understand why he is so triggered to write anything on others feedback page and he has to be always in the reputation section. You will rarely find weeks where there are no complain against his feedback left for someone else. All of us are in the forum from years even before half a decades before JollyGood heard about the forum but none of us have many complains about feedback leaving for others.

Without him in the DT network, members will live in peace. He is a curse to the DT network.

saxydev, all you can do is ~JollyGood on your trust page : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

Oh ya, did that, I feel much better, anyway he changed it:
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Revised: I suspected "saxydev" was possibly an alt-account but regardless of whether he is or not, the previous warning from BlackHatCoiner should be taken seriously. I advise to avoid dealing with this attention-seeker.

I will revise/modify the tag in future if deemed appropriate.
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I just can't, I mean, my brain is feeling demaged. He just wants to be there, to have his opinion written on all the walls, because that's a right. Like kids when they write their name on any table they sit on, like an attention seeker.

At least I also changed my feedback for him:

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Revised: I suspected "JollyJonnyBeGood" was possibly an alt-account but regardless of whether he is or not, the previous warning of BitcoinGirl.Club should be taken seriously. I advise to avoid dealing with this attention-seeker.

I will revise/modify the tag in future if deemed appropriate. (Delete)