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Online Casinos Without Online Presence/Community

From my observations, I think online casinos without online presence or community of users are likely to scam any user and get away with it easily, and it doesn't matter if they have a high trust rating, this is because when they refuse to process your withdrawal and the customer support is not responding or not helping, the user in reality have no place to complain that will force the casino to pay him of lose a great number of their users if not all...

Like for example, if a casino have a community on bitcointalk, and you are a user of that casino, at any time you have an issue with that casino and the customer support is not helping, bringing such issue to their community on bitcointalk will force the casino to find solution(s) immediately so that they don't lose their other customers in the case where they are the ones at fault..

But a casino without any kind of community anyway, if as a user, you encounter any problems and the customer refuse to help you, you are absolutely helpless, and complaining on forums where the casino is not even known won't help because it does not affect the casino on their business, they probably won't see your complaints, neither would their other customers do, so certainly, they won't answer and their other customers also don't know what is going on.. So it is best to avoid such casinos in my best opinion..

This is just one out of many types of online casinos to avoid, so let's make the discussion long, what other types of online casinos do you think gamblers should avoid? You never can tell, your advice might help someone in a short of long way.

We have seen how some newbie users on this forum make a complaint on casino ANN about their problem on the casino and the problem is attended to via their admin on their ANN thread, this shows that a casino with an active thread on this forum also helps to increase the chances of getting through to the dev team if all other options failed to yield result.

most casinos will rather prefer users to use the live support on the site but the problem some time with online support is the use of bots by the casino as live chat support but bitcointalk members are human and can understand some English differently from what a hot will understand.

The online casino to avoid are those that does not have an active admin here on bitcointalk even though their have various review scores.

That's more likely their chance to scam people since their casino isn't exposed that much in a community or other platform that can increase their popularity. I would also do the same if I want to scam people since if a person got scammed from that site then there's not much information for them to use against them and the gamblers could only open a scam accusation. Reaching them out won't be much faster or easier since they are not active on a platform or community and that's what I also think that we should be avoiding that kind of casinos even though there's some good reviews on other review sites.

Our forum became a top most forum discussing the crypto currency. So most of the casino based of crypto currency had a chances here, they can easily promote their casino for sure. As we know many projects running the long term promotion. The new gamblers should check the background of the casino they are going to play. Because some scam gambling websites are their and many good campaign was their. Most of the trusted gambling websites running the campaign in forum to do their promotion.

The only online casino i can advise to avoid are the ones with bad reputation, poor website functionality and inconsistent casinos, anyone found to be cheating on gamblers should be totally avoided and how we can know this for sure is through our fellow experienced gamblers who have been a victim of their acts, we only need a tangible live witness to attest on their reputation, this will go far better than online reviews that could be instigated, but we just need someone who has their gambling experience to give us clue before we fall a victim, casinos also scam gamblers even though it's not common but they do so by placing some irregular restriction on gambler's account.

There are literally hundreds of online casinos out there, spread across the internet in a maze of different affiliate sites and players' forums. Many casinos have been around for years, while others came and went before they could even be fully reviewed. In any case, there are simply too many to be able to keep track of, and many of them are simply not worth your time. Which means the best way to find the best online casino for your needs is to do some research and read reviews from reputable sources. But this is impossible if the casino does not have an online presence or a community on social networks and forums like this one. Just remember not to trust any single review site or player too heavily. It's up to you to research what kinds of things you should look for in a quality online casino - from design, quality of games, promotions, payouts and more - and then take those points into consideration when reading the reviews. It's important to remember that the best way to pick an online casino is to do your research. The internet is full of unreliable information and it can be hard to tell a safe bet from an online casino that you'll never hear from again. If an online casino wants your trust, they need to be more open and make more information available. Only then can you decide whether or not they're right for you.

This is one of the reason why every casinos encourages their players to join their telegram group, because this is where they started to communicate with the players and that could build a good relationship between the two parties so I agree, if there is no social media platform to communicate with them then I think, that's a red flag already. 24/7 support is always a good feature of any crypto gambling site, if they can do it on social media platform better. Though some site are still doing good even if they are not here in the forum so don't just limit your basis here in the forum.

Those that has an online community despite that, they're still poor in addressing concerns. I think there are still a few of it that does have a poor way of catering customer complaints.

And these days, if there's an online casino that's also accepting cryptocurrencies. It's essential to have their back on the forum with an announcement thread because it helps them build their online presence and gain reputation, and they have to learn from the first one's and as well as existing businesses that has been established today.

You pointed one of the major issue. Bitcointalk is one of well-known area for cryptocurrency. And if there is a company(it doesn't matter casino, exchange, phsycal or virtual product) which accept cryptocurrency they must know that building reputation in here is very important for their business. If I had to choose one company for purchasing with cryptocurrency; first thing must be checking their thread's messages (if its exist). The effort they put into problems here shows how successful a company they are. If they are not mentioned here, that means taking a risk, this is real gambling :)

Thank you for starting up this discussion. I think gamblers should also avoid casino's with very poor or no customer support. Not having any customer support or poor support for customers with issues and challenges is not a good sign for a casino that is interested in building a good name for themselves. And any casino that you observe is not interested very well on creating a good name for themselves, should be avoided because it also means they do not want to stay in the business for long, you can never tell their intentions with the many uncertainties, so best you avoid them and focus on casino's that are interested in building a name.

Just because a casino has an online rep here on the forum doesn't mean they will give a damn about any feedback they might get. Sure, we can complain if we have an issue but that still doesn't mean they will solve that issue.

It's kind of a what are you gonna do about it things. If someone is going to scam, they're going to scam no matter what is said or brought up on here. There are other ways to get help/complain to a casino or about a casino. Askgamblers is 1 option, Trustpilot and other review sites, most sites have an email address you can use to contact them, or they have live support.

This is another topic of yours that belongs in the gambling discussion section IMO. Doesn't matter if you're posting here for more visibility, it's still probably not the right section.

This won't help you if they do an exit scam.

Unfortunately scammers know that and they abuse this way of thinking. There were many casinos that scammed people. I remember some of them back in 2014 and 2015 were launching big signature campaigns trying to be the biggest ones on bitcointalk. 1xbit is considered a scam and it has a presence on the forum, running a campaign.

Bottom line is, you shouldn't think in these black or white terms. There can be legit casinos with no threads or campaigns on bitcointalk and the other way round.

I do not think that a casino without an online community presence or something like forum like this is an indication of  the Online Casino to be a scam.  Remember there is a chat panel in the Casino where the community can talk and share their game experience.  There is also a customer support to attend to all concerns.  It is indeed an advantage to have an online forum for a Casino but it isn't indicative of a Casino being shady or scam if they don't have it.

If the support can't fix the scam accusation issue, there is always an online platform that deals with this kind of cases and a governing authority where we can report possible scam attempt of the Online Casino.

If the casino read this they will try to grow up and begin to build the community. But of course, it will be hard to build in here if don't have enough knowledge, only spam and manipulated the newbie account. It's different when they build the community on Twitter because many services out there to grow the follower and retweet. So it's not necessary to believe that the casino has a million followers but nothing interactive for each other, we should pay attention to this, that possible fake to deceive people.

The user still has the option to complain on some sites like:

trustpilot.com
casino.guru

Even they can start a scam causation in this forum, it doesn't matter if the casino has an account here or not.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

But I think the same way as you, if the casino doesn't have the right reputation, then it doesn't worth risking our money with them.

Having an ANN thread here in this forum is a big plus for online casinos. There are chances that online supports or e-mail supports take time to respond and it's really a tough problem for gamblers, this forum is a good place to post your complaints to get the attention of the casino admin regarding your concern. To add, we can find information about the casino through this thread whether they are reputable, or if there are any existing scam issues about the casino, they can easily be tagged. It's also a good place to clarify such issues or even make announcements about updates or promotions. It's not a requirement for all casinos to have a thread here, but it boosts confidence and reliability.

I reckon most casinos have their own internal forum where you can discuss the issues they have (afaik), not to mention there are review sites out there where you can put out some of your misgivings about what the casino has done to you. I do agree with not trying out big on any casinos that are new or have no rep, trying them out would be fine with a small amount, just to test whether their games are working or they can allow you to withdraw, but anything long term should be put on hold till you're able to judge that a sizeable amount of people use it and deem it trustworthy.

We cant generalize that all Online Casinos without online presence/community are likely scam. If you use it as a standardization, how about 1xbit? This bookie has active representative in this forum, they are promoting themselves through signature campaign as well but in fact they are well known scammers. On the other side, there are also some casinos with no longer active presence in this forum such as Bitsler and Chips, but they are still reliable enough. Casino's presence/community is not a guarantee that they will not turn into scam. There are many other things to consider when it comes to which casinos to avoid.

I would like to avoid casinos that was using the same script as the other scam projects from before. Lately I've seen some new gambling sites that was using the same website script which I don't really trust and even though they have a community here in the forum it doesn't mean that they don't have the chance to scam you. I would consider to avoid gambling site that has no previous reputation, no active support or community, no active promotions and probably have some open scam accusations for my own safety.

1xbit is purely business and massive marketing. You can browse crypto pages and you can definitely find thier ads on them including the block explorers.

It likely will depend on the proof that the user has screenshots of his issues and the casino doing the right thing. But ultimately any casino with or without a community can scam. It's just a high possibility that a casino with a good reputation and a big community will protect to continue its online casino business.

Yes, they can promote it here, but the OP's observation is that if there is no community because it's new then most likely you should avoid it first. Why? Because nobody knows this casino in the beginning, they should built reputation first. So your chances of being scam is somewhat reduce if you will just follow this simply and yet effective method or strategy.

And so far this community is really good at finding scam casinos and labeling them. Obviously, it will have a bad effect on their reputation, so it's either they are pressure to solved the scam accusations against them or lost potential customers because of the negative that they will get here.

People shouldn't be blinded by big bonuses and special promotions new casinos organize to acquire new players. That's how they lure you in, and it works. People don't really care as long as they can get their hands on some juicy bonuses. Or they think they can. If you are a serious gambler, your money should only go to a handful of casinos that have been around for many years. From the top of my head, I can't think of more than 2-3. I generally avoid anything new, especially those trying to entice me with offers that are too good to be true.

Just to add, a community for one online gambling site also helps with tackling the sudden malfunctions in their system. It's not like they can just pinpoint everything and there will be times when users will be the ones experiencing these errors first before their team finds out about it.
Their users will have a place to run to and tell about their experience which could be fixed at high speed.

In regards to what should be avoided, the so-good-to-be-true promises and events. There will be times a gambler will ask himself if it's real or not, better avoid that. Going to the process might lead to a dead end, worse, a scam.

So far I've never played at a casino where they don't have a support community on this forum, I've only played at gamdom where the thread no longer gets support from the creator but didn't face any problems at all and in my opinion what I would avoid is when there are forum members who found suspicious things at the casino, even though they were active and they representative always answered every question well, but I would prefer not to play because of the suspicion that arose.

Well, they do not need an Online presence... for us to hold them accountable. We can use social media/forums/websites to our advantage to spam accusations against them, if there are solid evidence that they are a scam site.   ;)

There are several casino review sites, where we can burn them ... and forums like this gives us a voice. (Scam accusation section) ==> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

The Online presence just leaves a "foot print" for us to follow, if we want to track them and eventually want to take it to court.  ;)

You are suggesting an online presence on your statement above too because it’s useless to spam scam accusation on social media or scam accusation board if they are not always online to read the concern. The word against them will still not reach them if casino is not active online which is ironic since their business is more on online.


It can be view it that way. But a good online casino should be active always online there market is in the web and not through physical players. OP suggestion somehow true because most of the trusted casino is always approachable online either social media or here in the forum when there support is not giving a fair conversation.

I agree with yahoo62278, although it is great if a casino has an online community where you can discuss events, promotions, issues, etc... it would still not matter if the casino simply does not care about your complaints or any negative feedback they might get from other gamblers.

what does this even have to do with the topic? if you are gonna advertise your review website do it properly.

I don't think there is any casino exists that doesn't have any community exposure. I mean, we know that they need to market their business, and in order to proceed with that, they have to engage themselves to different social media platforms, specifically on platforms that has good size of gambling community like our forum and other review platforms.
My thoughts, avoid casinos that you feel unsafe.
Also, avoid casinos that has existing unresolved scam cases.

The only thing that I am concerned about is when the casino does not have ANN on this forum, that is the casino that I should avoid. Even if the casino has ANN here, that does not mean the casino is safe because that will depend on how the casino can satisfy the members. We do not have to play on their site if they fail to give that.

So far, it is enough to select the casino on this forum, especially if the casino starts many conversations with the members and can give the best things for us. This forum is enough to be the one-stop place to select the right casino because this forum has all of that.

Generally, an online casino that has no community here in this forum should be a concern but it is in no way an absolute factor that will decide whether you should avoid it or not. In checking online casinos, always check their history and the time they have been operational. If you noticed that they are relatively new on the market, then you should do some extra research about them to see if they are genuine or not.

In addition to the above-mentioned factors, you must also look the general aesthetics of the gambling website. No kidding, there are some gambling websites that are poorly created in order just to scam people outright. Lastly, you must also consider if they have an active customer support service where you can reach with their support anytime.

if their casino supports crypto payments they should be required to be registered on this forum make ANN promote casinos on this forum and also actively create campaigns on this forum because basically it is to ensure that casino sites are really clean and not fraud, I'm more interested in casino sites that have ANN here and many active users of this forum also make long discussion in their ANN thread, it is more trusted than any other casino site promoting out there

1XBIT has an active ANN and a marketing campaign to promote their casino. I bet they also have a customer support system for their loyal users just like what the OP is asking. Does that ensure they are really clean and not fraudulent? Does that make them more trustworthy than crypto casinos with inactive ANN or without any presence here?

Having community is important with every possible online service that involves money. I don't use any service that doesn't have some sort of place for users to chat freely. That helps me determine that it's legit very fast. Also one good sign is having few negative comments with admin replying to them, among of hundreds positive comments from active users. That shows that they won't be trying to get rid of bad press but want to serve all of their users.

Most of the business today really needs community, mostly in those casinos. Unlike before, their customer service is enough. Now they need to have a bitcointalk thread, social media pages, and a group where users can freely say anything they want and also follow up on the tickets or issues that you've raised. Casinos or other online businesses that involve users who need to deposit money need to have a community, not just for support issues but also so that new users are aware of the problem and become more cautious..

Taking them to court are for those who have an enormous amount in the casino. The rest that has few can only say so much in the scam thread.
But all casinos reputable or not may topple and eventually scam especially if they are not marketing thier casino to build a bigger community.

FTX although its not a casino that has a big community full of well-known people. They turn out to be insolvent and scam.

I avoid such casinos like the plague. If they can't be bothered to establish their online presence, why should I even go out my own way to figure out what they have to offer. I ain't one to fck around and find out, I'll just go to online casinos which established themselves in the field and are known across the industry. That will save me a lot of frustration, anxiety, and regret should this obscure casino turned out to be a scam.

For small gamblers like me, I recommend avoiding casinos that charge high amount of miner fees for every withdrawal request. I know it's a bit obvious but there are still some casinos that try to overcharge withdrawal fees when most of the time the recommended amount is less than $1.

They're free to create a thread but it doesn't have to be a requirement because a lot of gambling sites are probably not aware of the forum and there are several ANN threads that slowly became inactive like Bitsler for example.

I tend to face this, the other way around. I usually do not use shady or new casino websites and prefer to use the most-rated ones. If you use a casino that is out there long enough it means that this is a trusted casino. So, to take matters simply, a player should always use known casinos and avoid chasing crazy offers from shady casinos.

That's the importance of choosing a casino with an ANN thread because you will be able to have your queries answered. It is important that we'll always make sure that a casino has its community because we could always check on the latest updates and happenings through it.
A casino with a dead or no existing community is definitely a manipulated casino or more likely scam which we have to get rid of.

I think this only applies to new gambling platforms, as they tend to start with a high trust rating on most review sites which they've likely paid in the first place. However, even if they have a great community on the forum, some of them tend to scam people later on. It's best to check everything first on new gambling platforms before even gambling there.

However, old casinos that have great reputations on different and legitimate review sites can be trusted even if they don't have a community here on the forum. Usually, review sites also factor in customer service and how responsive they are. If in any case, customer service won't be able to provide a general answer on your query, you can try and contact them via email so someone higher can answer it for you.

I think the other way around. I don't think of casinos to avoid, I think of casinos to bet from, which are not many, as I don't need 27 casinos. With the ones that have a good reputation on the forum I have plenty to choose from and as far as I remember I have only gambled in 5 or 6 over the years, never having a problem with any of them.

Most of the gambling are trusted one now, people loss their money only by the less knowledge toward the game. In the gambling people should learn the game and with the knowledge they can earn from gambling. You should check the gambling company owners and their support towards the issue. And you should check the people background. You need to check whether you had get into the correct gambling site. Because winning is different from get the cash out from the websites. We know real colours of gambling at the time of withdrawal of funds. Such type of check by the gambling sites should be avoided.

You are definitely not wrong, but this is you, how about others out there that enjoy trying out multiple casinos?
I am just like you, and even more loyal than you in terms of number of casinos we've gambled on over the years, you've gambled on 5 or 6, meanwhile I have gambled only 3 over the years, and they are namely..
Freebitco
Owl.games
Stake.com
Ive never had any issues with any of this casinos, but me knowing that there are alot of gamblers that take great pleasure in jumping from one casino to another is the reason I created this topic, also serving as an advice to incoming/new gamblers.

There are still casinos that is pretty inactive in this forum but I believe not a scam at all. I'm playing on bustabit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2897545.0) if I want to play crash game and they haven't failed me once in terms of service. I trusted them because I'm playing on that casino for a long time now and it is my first choice if I want to play crash game. Generalizing a scam casino is pretty harsh but I think you have a point given that I myself will also not play on a casino that has no ANN thread here. Having an ANN thread is an advantage for both player and the casino, I don't see why other casino won't do their own ANN thread here especially that it is FREE.

It's great if you've never had a problem with any of the casinos you've used.
But we know that some people often experience it because they are wrong in choosing the casino or violate the casino's rules.
We try to avoid casinos that are obscure or have a bad reputation because we don't want to get into trouble with those casinos.
And if there are still people who have lost money at the casino, maybe they are not looking to find the right casino for them.
If they can find one, they won't have any problems and won't move to another casino either.

The points you raise OP in this thread a valid. The community serves as a form of check against some illegalities. A casino company that has a community would do everything possible not the tarnish its image because it would discredit the company in the community. But most times some new casinos might not have a massive presence in some communities but they might have integrity. It takes sometime to establish a casino in a community and most renowned casino firms started building their companies gradually before they became well-known. But this doesn't dispute the fact that there are some casino firms that don't have an active community but they are doing a good job in the gambling sector.   

There are a few different techniques that casinos and sportbooks can use which are pretty poor practice from the customer aspect. Sometimes you'll find that customers can deposit very easily, without submitting things like KYC documentation to "activate" the account but when you want to withdraw they ask for such things, have hidden transaction fees or take excessive amounts of time to process a withdrawal. All of these can be incredibly frustrating for a customer but only become apparent after the customer has won (sometimes big). It's good to take a blend of reviews from different sources but also with some skeptisism, because if you just look at reviews from places outside of Bitcointalk you can often only find people who have lost money and naturally want to attack the site even if it was all legitimate.

It is reasonable to avoid them since there is a possibility that the same people are behind these casinos.  But in a more logical manner, I do not think that we should jump to conclusion that these new sites that bought the same script are scammers.  As they say, a person cannot be guilty of a crime unless proven.  So judging these newly created casinos as scams because they have the same script is somehow moot.


I think I would do the same, it is logical to avoid casinos that have a shady background and most of all have unsolved scam accusations.


I highly agree,  it isn't good to tag any cryptocurrency gambling platform as a scam if they don't have the stuff @OP is looking for.  This casino has its own way of marketing itself and besides,  if an issue arises, only the casino can solve it so that is probably one of the reasons why not all crypto casino gambling company does not pay attention much on the online community presence in other platforms because they already have a presence online via their customer support.

Yeah it's because they have established their names already, but it all starts here in our community.

We've seen casinos boom in the pandemic, like in 2020 wherein there are a lot of them being born and it all began here and then they move forward to our social media platform to promote. And so once they have gain their reputation, and then maintain it for a long time, then new gamblers will try to play with them to experience the same. And so they became a niche because of that and so I we don't need any other platform. Yeah probably 5-6 will do for now. Of course we can try new casinos, but still up to us to take that risk or not.

Well i really like your point because this is a major issues with some casino's that is  not fully recognized here and i believe many have encountered lots of issues due to aforementioned problems. What i don't want to see about casino's or gambling sites are delay to process payment and also avoid does casino's that do not asked for kyc at when deposit but during withdrawal they frustrate you with kyc.
In my opinion i think any casino site that would possibly request for kyc at time of withdrawal they should also request for kyc at time deposit so that after verification before depositing funds and not the other way round.

I think with this strategies, complain for late kyc verification would like reduced and make a better good names, lets say during withdrawal bettors won't be asked to further run a kyc before taking their funds.

Having a community here in the forum can be a big factor on choosing a casinos because usually, if you are here in the forum many will analyze if that site is legit or not and by this you can know if you are going to play with the site or just choose the old one. If there’s no community to talk with, then it will be hard to share some thoughts and experiences about that site, which I think is more risky to play.

I agree with you, and in fact I believe the opposite is also very valid...

A reliable casino will always want to show its presence in the community, generate rapport with users, publicize its products, create promotions, answer questions and mediate conflicts before they become bigger, anyway.

A site that hides from the community is because it is afraid of something or because it needs to hide to protect itself from attacks.
In fact, I don't think there is any big, reputable casino that doesn't have an active presence in the user community, either here on the forum, on telegram or on some other social network like facebook.

Anyway... I agree with you, every trusted site needs to have a presence in the community, if it doesn't, it's good that users don't deposit much trust or even money in it, it can be dangerous.

A casinos without community is just like a ghost casinos which you can’t find any details about it and the risk is more about getting scammed since you can’t even know if the site is legit or not. Having a good community tells a lot so if you are going to choose a casino, make sure that they have a good community and they are very active on that community. Every casinos should have this, or else that’s a red flag and better to avoid it.

I agree with you, and in fact I believe the opposite is also very valid...

A reliable casino will always want to show its presence in the community, generate rapport with users, publicize its products, create promotions, answer questions and mediate conflicts before they become bigger, anyway.

A site that hides from the community is because it is afraid of something or because it needs to hide to protect itself from attacks.
In fact, I don't think there is any big, reputable casino that doesn't have an active presence in the user community, either here on the forum, on telegram or on some other social network like facebook.

Anyway... I agree with you, every trusted site needs to have a presence in the community, if it doesn't, it's good that users don't deposit much trust or even money in it, it can be dangerous.

Good point.
Gambling sites with a discussion thread either here on this forum or outsides like Reddit or other names are easy to reach than those who just rely on their customer support. Most of the time, they are just recorded and it sucks to be in that position talking to a robot knowing anytime they can cut the line or just say "please try again later". Way different than a text form of service, some members could help with the query (just like what we are doing here) if they know the solution or support can answer anytime.

Is good to have a good casino website where people are gambling and gamble, not a situation whereby gamblers have decides on playing gamble to a site that gives bonus, and i believe that its bonus that always make people to think of gambling because gambling suppossed to follow a protocol or lane whereby people know very well and when you play you make very well.

Establishing an official announcement thread here in the biggest crypto forum is really a good thing for a crypto-gambling site. It will be a good reference for users that want to try a certain gambling site and real-user reviews are far better than a review site's reviews.

However, it doesn't mean that if there's no ANN thread here, we can assume right away that these sites will likely to turned scams.

It will now depend on users' choice of how they will improve their DYOR when choosing a gambling site to play with.

yes, some reputable casinos out there don't have their ANN threads in the forum. some started as fiat-based so they already got their loyal patrons, and they only integrated crypto payment later on. so it is understandable that some of them don't find promoting in this forum as advantage. it is always on the player himself who needs to do his due diligence before depositing to the site. at least do a brief background check if they have existing complaints or issues.

In my understanding, people who try multiple casinos, are only curious about the new casinos. They may be interested in the prizes/bonuses during the promotion period at the casinos. So, they won't stay a long time there.

Commonly, we only gamble constantly in a few casinos, maybe 1-3 casinos. The reason to choose the casinos should be the same as you, it is because the casinos are the most reputable or trusted casinos in this forum. If there are bad issues in the casinos, everyone simply avoids them, especially if the issues are proven. No matter how good the casino's rating is, people won't be interested anymore if they have bad issues.

Yep. New gamblers probably don't really understand this, especially if they are not a part of this forum or just join this forum. I appreciate your effort to remind everyone about this.

I don't think that we should avoid already a site that has no ANN thread. You can't apply that argument to fiat online casinos where in the first place, there's no discussion place about them or we will see them at other forums with gambling sections.

A reputable gambling site, either a fiat casino or a crypto casino surely has great reviews if we did research when we consider using them.

As long as every review we will encounter about that site that has no ANN thread, we should be good to go. But if not sure, then stick with those reputable gambling sites here that have an ANN thread.

Its good for a casino to have an online presence here on Bitcoin and on other platforms, they open themselves to criticism and are willing to address every issue of every player, but it should be when they are not satisfied with how the support addresses their issue, not all concern should be posted here or in other platforms, there are a lot of advantages for casinos and the community as well, casinos are running on the trust of the gambling community and having a presence here and addressing all concern will give them the trust of the community.

Only casinos that want to have more players and establish their reputation are willing to set up a community here and so it's very important for new casinos to include in their goal or roadmap to have an official announcement here its good marketing and advertisement and establishing its reputation, many casinos only have Bitcointalk and they are doing great

I think OP is right if a casino has an announcement here then surely they will have their representative's account, so If they scam any forum member, then we can give negative trusts so that other members know that casino is not safe for depositing funds and playing.

Yes, It is true that 1xbit ANN is active here and they have sig campaign too, but that does not mean any of our members will dare to play there, since we all know they are scammers. And if any one deposits there he risking his funds.

I think this is crypto and in the crypto world if you have the chance to wager on a place that has not just an ANN topic here, but also someone who works here as well, that would be a lot better. Most big places have people here, stake has symphonized, sportsbet.io has Steve, and many other places have a staff member that replies and that is good.

I am not saying that all others are bad, they might be good too, but why would I pick them when I could simply just focus on the ones that have people here and if I ever face a problem I would just be writing here to the ANN topic and get a response? Or pm that person and get a response again? Just the ticket number would be enough in most cases.

But at least if the casino has an ANN, we can discuss it with them about the casino and if we have questions, we can ask them directly. This is equivalent to having customer support always ready 24/7 to help customers. But that also depends on the representatives of each casino because there are casino representatives who can quickly provide answers from members and there are those who need time.

A well-known gambling site will develop if it can accept aspirations through criticism, suggestions, and so on because that's the nature of building their site to be even better. But if the casino site doesn't have an ANN and its customer support isn't quick to respond to questions from its members, where else should we ask our questions?

I have said several times on other threads and I will say it again here that before jumping and playing in a crypto casino it is always better to read the Gambling section and the ANN threads of different casinos.When you see that a certain ANN thread has only positive vibes in it and 0 complaints that is a big indication that you can go and play without worrying to much about if the casino will pay you or not and you can be sure in 99.99% of the cases that casino is not going to scam you.The longer the ANN thread in pages the better.

I think that the online community will matter when it comes to the a big community that already formed like BTT. The online casino will not try to have a problem with a member and try to fix the issue caused by it can destroy the reputation. Remember that if most of casinos in here were also using cryptocurrency. it can be said that those casinos were also getting so many members from here and then when those casinos make a mistake that destroy their reputation and none will not use those casinos anymore.
The community will matter once it has grown to be a big community. That will make casino think for twice before try to scamming its users. That's pretty much the same like 1xbit as a scam casino with so many problems that never be solved.
Mostly of members marked 1xbit as a scam exchange site that must be avoided.

Besides the absence of an Online Presence/Community, deception and manipulation are also one of the reasons and there are a lot of casinos that opened announcements here and are guilty of manipulation and deception one of which is faking a license, associating with known scam casinos and denying it, and ignoring legit questions and not open to suggestion from the community like getting a copper account.
We want to help these new casinos but they should show sincerity that they come here clean and open to suggestions and criticism.

If you talk about online crypto casinos, indeed lately online casinos have mushroomed and developed rapidly, they are easy to get on social media and elsewhere, almost everything on average moves from retail, entertainment, online games, maybe you could say that online casinos are a haven for solid gambling addicts, at the moment.

For me personally to make a choice and stay away from online casinos whether they are here or outside, I think there are many factors that I need to consider and I have to avoid them.
For example:
I will avoid if.
• For online crypto casino, which performs bad and careless service for its customers.
• I would avoid, if the online casino has limited games and the casino offers bonuses that are beyond common sense and terrible.
• The next thing I need to anticipate and avoid is if online casinos are unsafe and unlicensed and at the end of the review about them.

Maybe, that's what I can consider avoiding and betting on online crypto casinos, be it in this forum or out here.

They could have an announcement thread here but if they kept ignoring the accusations and the accusations are valid that makes them a casino to avoid, and if they are going to address issues about the complaints it should be satisfactorily whoever side it will be, there are a lot of casinos that are guilty of manipulating their investigations when presenting to the community, the gambling community is wise enough to avoid these kinds of casinos.

That makes sense. I have seen many services here with dead topics which means they got chance to introduce their service on bitcointalk but got no time to keep their topic alive. So, choosing a casino with active representative definitely lead to better experience for endusers.

Yeah, when you face problem with a services, a quick resolution means a lot for the case of mental stress; most people here may not able to get that but I have experienced that and that might be the reason I agree with you.

Community arent blind not to make out those impressions whether it would be proven out or not.Most of crypto based casinos does really have that ANN thread on this place on which people could easily make out some complaints and feedbacks or even suggestion which the entire community would be able to read up and specially into those visitors who had been looking for information in regarding a site.
Its really that somewhat impossible that we cant really see any information here on this forum and its impossible for a certain company on not to touch up this place.
This community is really that highly reactive when it comes scam and complaints which it is really that sensible on reading up on this place every now and then.

Users needs to be wise enough to understand the right platform. There is a big list of cryptocurrency accepted gambling sites that don't have announcement thread on our forum. However they've gained the trust of users which is the success of the platform.

We've got a big list of trusted platforms, so it isn't a hard task to stay away from the platforms that have got bad reputation.

Exactly, it is on our own volition to check whether the gambling platform we are betting and playing on is a trusted one. Some casinos will have a massive range of community, but it doesn't exactly mean that they won't scam people out of their money. Trust and services should also be given as those are what makes a casino reputable.

As of now, the number of gambling platforms keeps on rising as days go by and we must be able to investigate on ourselves especially newer gambling platforms as they haven't built up their trust network on its community.

I think what you said is the best thing to do so far because you have to understand they kind of gambling platform that your birth weight before getting so many of us who is into gambling does not understand the kind of gambling platform they before gambling, that is why some people do lose their money because a gambling platform need to beat up their reputation and trust before some people can be relied on them all depend on them

I agree. It will depend on the player's way of doing their own DYOR strategy to determine if the said casino is something worth putting a risk.

There are lots of users here that already complained about being fuc*ked up with a gambling site and when they mentioned the gambling site's name, it's not even popular and familiar. It's not because these sites don't have an ANN thread but rather it is considered as users' fault for not doing their best DYOR so they end up being fuc*ed up.

Same case is with me and I think that trying in the gambling casino online is a wast if time cause they have set bots that can easily steal our money if you are gambling more and it sucks more. So also if you wanna go to casino than go to offline casino. And it could be gmae changer for someone.

I agree. Having an ANN thread here in the forum is a good thing because we can communicate to their representative and post a reviews for other gamblers to see. But it doesn't necessarily mean the casinos are shady if they have no existing ANN thread here. Probably they're not just aware of the forum's existence or maybe they prefer to market their casino to other social media platforms.

Hence, it's not only the basis to say if the casino can be trusted, because they can establish their reputation even outside of the forum. Moreover, let's not forget that there are also casinos that have a presence here but known to many gamblers as a scam.

If so, you don't need to visit casinos and gamble because it wastes time.
Losing money is a risk you can get from casinos.
If you are aware of that, you should avoid any casino.
There is no need to have other requirements to avoid that casino because you think it will steal your money.
But we know that casinos can also be life changers for many people so they keep trying to get their luck.

The most important thing that you should need to keep in your mind that, don’t go for new sites. No matter how attractive is there promotions, if you love your hard earned money, then definitely you should avoid those casinos completely. I am not saying that all casinos are bad or scammers. I am saying that it’s better to not take risks while choosing a casino. Also before playing in any online casino, do prior research on the reputation from multiple sources and then only deposit in it.

still asking for why people keeps in risking when they are playing in not so legit casino ? there are so much to choose from so let us not fall into scam sites that only looking for potential victims.

actually even legit casino will take out our money, but at least with small chance of winning that those scammers that you have no other chance but to lose.

There are only a few cases in which gamblers have experienced being scammed in legit casinos. If you want assurance and don't want to be a victim of scammers, always make sure that you have chosen a legit and reputable casino.
For me, it's fine to try out new casinos but it's still important to check feedback and reviews first and try not to invest huge funds in them. There are still new casinos with good potential that deserves to be given a chance but we still have to be wise upon choosing.

Unrealistic rewards are enough for me to decide whether to engage in a particular casino or not. But other things that I consider are delays on transactions and especially their technical support of that gambling platform. Various gambling games are being offered by many gambling platforms that is why it is not one of my criteria, and this also includes ither bonuses on a specific event or holiday perhaps.  There are many gambling platforms to choose from and for sure we do all have our preferences why we are sticking with a certain gambling sute. Luckily I'm goid with my current site.

Quite in contrast; legitimate casinos scamming players? I think legitimacy should be removed from that category or their names already. Not to victim blame but if the acusations to some platforms only involve a bit of players with not so big amounts, there could be conflict on the side of the players. Also, if the gambling site is legitimate they would be open for discussion of such matter so feel free to ask them.

I'm a little confused by your statement, "Only a few fall victim to a legit casino scam". in my opinion, legit casinos will not scam in any way. Because if in recent times they have committed fraudulent actions, then users will label them as a scam casino, no longer a legit casino. Indeed, we often find scam accusations against legit casinos, but most of these accusations come from users who violate the terms and conditions of the casino. That is, they did not get what they had won, the withdrawal was frozen because suspicious activity was found or other reasonable reason that makes user can't withdraw their money. If everything is clean, legit casinos will let users requests withdraw without any conditions. (IMO)

They won't take your money if you won't gamble. That's why it's called gambling because there's a winner and there's a loser. But on the side of the casinos, they'll always be the winner and even if we all know about that. We're still trying our luck if we'll be the winners and can have that much profit from them. No matter how bad the situation is with what we gamble with, still we keep on doing it with the hope that someday we'll beat them even if we're aware that the house always wins!

This is true but also make sure this community aren't bought because today companies are doing everything humanly possible to look legit when they just scammers looking for innocent individual to defraud. Don't just rely on community reviews as those can be pay for. We have seen companies come on this forum to ask for reviews in exchange for some Bitcoin.

Although those are not technically wrong but they can affect the kind of review they get from users because money is involved and since the participants of the tasks need it, they'll want to make the casino look good with positive reviews which mightn't be true.

Usually most of the cases that happened as you wrote in this thread, happened in fiat-based online casinos. there are tons of online casinos out there, especially those that are fiat based. but unfortunately, there is no data and statistics regarding online casinos that actually have clear licenses. I mean, casinos that are outside our forum are especially fiat-based.

in my country, there are many fiat-based local online casinos. either there are several hundred websites scattered, and what is certain is that it is very doubtful regarding its reputation. there are many complaints, from some of my friends who often play at fiat-based online local casinos.

Fortunately we have a community in this forum, plus the casinos that have been proven with the reputation they have. even so, it does not mean we are spared from the problems you wrote in your thread. even though we are in community. the reason is, there are several casinos that have red report cards. avoid it, is a must.

This thread is good, at least it will provide a little information for new members in our community.

Nothing can really guarantee that you will always be safe playing at casinos that have representatives on this forum, especially if their representatives do not care about the reputation of the casino and themselves. We have concrete proof of how the casino is here and continues to be promoted, so actually having a representative doesn't mean you are completely safe.

You may get the best attention and help and advice from the community when you have a problem with a casino that has representatives in the forums, but when the casino doesn't care about its reputation it becomes pointless.

Facebook like, Twitter followers, Any social media comments could really be bought up and be considered as digital good and this is why its indeed that worth to check out these aspects.
You should really be making yourself that watchful because if you do let it slide or slip then you would really be victimized and this is you should really be having these kind of verification first.
Just make use of your own common sense yet you could eventually get easily detect it out if you do see some shady act.Speaking about having no community
exposure or awareness then i would agree to this which does simply means that they arent known and its just right that we should avoid it.

Maybe they were tempted to see an offer from a casino that was not so valid that they continued to try it in the hope that they could win and withdraw their victory money.
But most did not get a pleasant experience from playing in the casino. Many of them suffered great losses, while others get fraud.
We must be careful not to just choose a casino from out there because not all casinos are good casinos.
Yes, that is true but that doesn't make us stop playing and even many of us continue to make more deposits and play because we hope to win some later.

Your advice is right and accurate, it's good to have more confidence in the old casinos and have so little confidence in the new casinos until they prove they are worthy of your money. The new casinos are the ones with the hugest bonuses, and some of them might practically be insane, which is a point of suspicion by a sensitive gambler.

This is not to discredit them entirely, but starting with them with a little amount after the gamblers had done their background checking is a wise idea.

Most of these casinos have forums where the discuss their winnings, bonuses, complaints, bugs and other gambling related news outside Bitcointalk. take for example feedspot (https://www.feedspot.com/fe/5218654?_src=folder) and casino.guru (https://casino.guru/forum) where most top online casinos hold good reputation but the biggest disadvantage with all this other forums is that they are centralised.  Bitcointalk brings in more safer deals because it is decentralised and everything discussed is more open and public.

I believe no casino is 100% transparent the tend to play with the ignorance of their clients and the ones who don't know where to make complaints incases where the fail to get good response from their customer care desk fall victim of losing their wins. It is important to look out for Casinos with good reputation on reputable forums that operate in a decentralised manner such as Bitcoin talk

There are definitely some casinos which we should avoid at any cost because once you deposit your funds over there you will never get them back as they will not allow you to withdraw the funds.I will suggest you to have the review from BTCGOSU from first to check which are good casinos.There are very limited casinos which I came to know from the forum and play on them only without choosing completely random casino.

I would say that it is better to avoid all that greedy small and niggling casinos. All that casinos that require to much attention from user on they “make a deposit - first bet”. They must be skipped. Because user is there to get emotions, but not to work his path to emotions. It is user that casino wants to get, not a casino user wants to find. And in case you have any troubles in the beginning - better skip that casino and forget about it. Troubles in the beginning means huge problems later.

When the casino offer to good to be true promotion, this like a welcome bonus that only need very low wager requirement. A new no KYC casino since most of them easily run away after a high rollers hit the jackpot, they will accuse the user is cheating since they don't have any way to verify the user and multiple accounts problem. The other thing is when the casino run a short signature campaign in order to gain trust from many gamblers, while it's just a trick to scam the high rollers.

I have a question and I don't want to create a new topic for it.

Is there any rating website or platform that rates gambling websites? We have coinmarketcap for crypto projects and people trust top 100 projects that those under top 100, is there something similar with gambling and online casinos?

this is one of the main reason why I don't trust sites that does not have exposure and advertising here in this forum (though there are many sites that is not present here in forum but they have legit operation) so I know that why need to risk when there are already safer sites that we have been trusted for many years ?
so if we wanted to play safe then best to play from what is being promoted and advertising here.
then enver gamble that is how simple it is mate.or better to play in real casino than online .

A very high welcome bonus with low requirements is very suspicious no matter how we look at it, I say this because probably one of the most important characteristics people are looking for when they are deciding in which casino they want to play is the size of the welcome bonus they will receive.

Scammers are very aware of this so they offer incredible welcome bonuses that they know no legitimate casino can match in order to attract more gamblers to their casinos, and this is because for them the size of the bonus is irrelevant as they have no intention of paying their customers anyway.

   -  I think that there will be no loss of other gambling owners here in the cryptocurrency business who will take advantage of other high rollers and when they win a large amount will be accused of something that is not true.

But in my conclusion, even if crypto gambling has KYC or no KYC a gambling casino has the same Pros and Cons to be honest. This is what I observed during my time in this industry.

it's not that casinos that have a community on this forum alone have a good reputation and always solve problems when a user has a big problem.
take a look at Askgambler, there are lots of reputable online casinos and also lots of gambling platforms which have good reviews there.
I have experienced choosing 1 gambling platform from the reviews on Askgambler and when I had a problem withdrawing funds from there, everything was resolved quickly by the platform.

and that doesn't mean the ones here also have a good reputation too and should be avoided. Let's take the example of 1xbit which currently has a bad reputation from this forum.
so the pros and cons of gambling platforms that should be avoided, we don't just have to rely on this forum, but we can look and choose from Askgambler to see which gambling platforms have bad reviews and should be avoided

Reviews these days are not that reliable anymore because they can be fake as well like the casino itself. This is already a lesson especially for new gamblers as they should always avoid those gambling sites that have no established Ann thread or any means that will enable the customers to communicate with the operators. But if those casinos have their intention to scam, of course making an Ann thread is purposely not on their list.

That is why creating an Ann thread is very essential so that players will eventually become aware if the casino is something to be more played and encouraged, or if it’s just another scam site that are waiting for victims to fall for them. So if Ann thread is missing, then we should learn not to trust the casino easily, they have to prove their credibility first before we start trusting them.

have experienced, many cases have happened like this, with big advertisements for the first person to get a big bonus just bullshit. I have experienced something similar and out there I have to be careful in choosing a gambling site. This is important to correct, whether the site is good or not. maybe there is a risk when we have deposited money but can't withdraw it just for some unclear reasons

Sometimes that works the other way around too. Scammers pool people into signature campaigns to advertise on their behalf only to be found as scammers once they have already dealt the damage. The one thing you must always keep in mind is make sure you are only collaborating with trusted and reputable people on the internet, especially in this forum. There are already established managers who would deem which is which for us but at the end of the day it doesn't hurt to do your own research as well. Again, communities can work either way, in favor of the scammer or against it.

The high welcome bonus is very unrealistic that the platform offers a bonus to attract new registrants but the bonus cannot be withdrawn and the platform increases the withdrawal amount above the welcome bonus or the bonus can only be used for betting only, you have experienced this already so the solution is to avoid the site its low reputation casino and gamble on top casino also offer real prize contest which can be used for withdrawal.

It's pretty obvious that we have alot of casinos without online presence here on BTT, but does that make peeps reject an offer to bet on their platform? The answer is NO!
People don't really care about it.. afterall, organizing a campaign on the forum is just an AFTERTHOUGHT and the whole project needs funds ; so an excuse (to anyone who might Wanna hear) would be that it incures extra expenditures -- after spending alot already on a customer care Bot? Or hiring a representative to attain to any complaints? That'll be too much. Most gamblers don't even consider that as a preference anyways.

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Right. Having an active Ann thread here in the forum could be a great factor that members will consider because it will make easier and comfortable for them to gamble if they can rely on the thread especially when they want to raise complaints and need immediate solution. However, if that online casino has none, i guess it could be a red flag from becoming a reliable casino.

Positive reviews should not be your only source if you want to gamble because they have become more unreliable these days. I guess those feedbacks coming from your friends experiences instead are a lot more helpful than those coming from strangers. But with Ann thread, its even more helpful for most of us as it can easily guarantee us that the casino is not illegal and is somehow reliable.

We do have several review and guide sites which are actually that reliable specially in this forum which isnt something that you could really be able to see or trust up considering that there
are lots which acts shady or something that really not precise or real time or realistic kind of feed backs which it is really just normal for people to have this kind of doubts on trusting
someones trust trading or recommendation.its true that reading up some ann thread on this forum could really help you out on picture whether the site you are
tending to play with is something that you could really trust up.

If you see a high welcome bonus that looks unreasonably high, you shouldn't try it even if you're curious about it, especially if it's from a new casino.
But if the bonus comes from a trusted casino, we will not have any problems unless we intend to cheat to get a bigger bonus.
But usually, in giving certain bonuses, casinos apply rules where gamblers must deposit a certain amount of money to get this bonus.
And casinos that you should avoid are casinos that are not clear and don't have an ANN here because this is important so that we can communicate with casino representatives if we have a problem or have something we need to ask them.

I'm ok with casinos without an online presence as long as they are an old casinos and have a long history of paying their players with almost zero complaints, and in case there is a complaint there are other independent platforms that their clients can post their issues, another type of casinos that should be avoided are those claiming to be something they are but they are not, like claiming to be the best when they just a week old, claiming to be the best is for old casinos with good reviews from the majority of the gambling community.

The big bonus from the casino should be ignored even though it comes from a trusted casino because usually it also contains high rules that are even very impossible to achieve, for example the 50x wager and even the last time I saw 60x more, it is extremely difficult, especially if we play to pursue it because it will increase the pressure on our mentally. The bigger the bonus given, the greater the number of wagers that must be passed and so far I have only been able to reach 40x and that is difficult to achieve. We don't need to avoid the casino just ignore the bonus and play normally.

Aside from the fact that players will feel more comfortable with casino with an ANN thread here in the forum, it's also allow for advert for the casino in the sense that as long as their ANN thread remain active, the casino name will be pumped up on the board and newcomers can easily notice the casino.

For me personally, I don't feel confident in any casino that does not have an ANN thread on bitcointalk even though there are running a signatures campaign it will not last.

A dedicated community is a representation of reputation which is being built over the years. It means you cannot have a community in your beginning days but only by showing honest practice and good support, you may able to build a strong community hence checking for active community must be a basic criteria, we must need to look up before starting a journey with a casino.

I simply follow the casinos which are active on this forum with campaigns and support topics before testing any casino. After months long testing, I do start depositing my funds to bet/play.

We better check if the people in their community is real because there are certain technology where they can fake those people keep bumping their thread or even continue to discuss something on their channels they can even pay people to do that. Also we should check how they perform and how many cases has been solve by them or if there are pending one because from this we can really figure out how those casino acts towards providing good service to their community. Also we can see if we need to avoid them since having numerous accusation is red flag already to us.

Just don't believe those too good to be true ads that you see. Because at most times, they're just there to attract anyone that it can attract with the numbers that it projects. Well, most of them are successful because of the sign ups that they get but they're unreal offers and bonuses.
That's why if you want to play, just go somewhere else and even if there are no bonuses but they're a legit casino that's been operating and you have the confidence that they won't fool their customers.

It won't be easy to check those people are real because we need to spend a lot of time just to check them. Maybe we need to check if many of the members on this forum are recommending the casino or if the members on this forum are suggesting avoiding the casino. It will be easier to find because each of us gives an honest rating for one casino and we have done it for a long time. And this is what allows us to find a good casino and use it so we don't have to worry about anything.

At least we have some trusted reviewer in this forum such as GamblingBro and BTCGOSU. I will avoid unknown review sites out there, because most review sites out there are just focusing to gain referral for their own benefits. I do not rely on review sites when I have to choose which casino to play. I believe I'm experienced enough to choose which casinos are reliable to play by spending my time to visit and look at the casino. If there is something that I feel suspicious, I'll avoid it.

But some casinos don't give high rules for example, casinos allow gamblers to use a bet of $ 0.2 for each spin so if you multiply it by 50x, it won't be too big.
But it also depends on our capital because if we deposit some money that is a ration for us to use to play, we don't have to deposit another amount of money to chase bonuses.
We also must look at our financial condition and always maintain existing limits.
Or usually, casinos provide relief for gamblers to deposit a certain amount of money to get bonuses such as Free Spins.
We can also use this if we really have money that is not used for anything.

It's true that a casino with a limited online presence and no community is a red flag and should be looked at more closely before depositing any money there. It could be that the casino is very new and only launched their operations a few weeks ago. If that is the case they might be trying to build up a community and I would consider giving them a try if there are some good promotions for new customers. But if the casino has been around for some time, then I would probably stay away from it. There must be a reason why the casino has no regular gamblers and it could be a scam. For me the first step with any casino I haven't used or heard of before is check for online reviews. I want to know how many people have played at the casino and if there have been any issues before, like someone winning money there and having trouble with the withdrawal process. There are lot of different review websites online, and everybody could write his own review without giving any proof if his claims are legit or not. That is why I also like to check here on the forum and see if some of the older members with high trust ratings have played at the casino before. It makes a big difference if someone you trust gives a review for a casino, or if it's a review from a random site online.    

There must be an online casino that doesn't have a community but it doesn't mean that all of them are a scam. Maybe they are not just a fan of those. They created an online casino for the sole purpose of earning a money. Nothing else.

And, not all casinos that are rated high were automatically mean legit because ratings can also be faked out easily. The only way for us to confirm if the casino is truly legit or not it is by playing with them using some amounts which we can afford to lose easily. A legit high rated casino must have a gaming license. If we have a concern, I think it's possible to report them in their license issuer. Also I heard that a licensed casino can be reported in askgamblers.com

well, about this community issue, in parts you are right, when a new casino doesn't have a community it starts to selectively scam and that makes it very difficult for people to find out early to avoid using the casino, and unfortunately there are many casinos all over the internet that has no community and they pay certain sites that have added casinos to get referrals, and these sites write good things about these scam casinos, unfortunately most people don't do research on other sites to see how reliable X casino is or not , people just rush to create an account at the first casino they find

The addition to that is the fact that if a place has thousands of people liking it, do you really think that it would be possible if they just scammed people? It means that if they have thousands who like it and not a single proven scam, that means it's good.

It is not just about thousands of people liking a place, it is also about proven that they are not scamming. No casino in the world who scams their customers could possibly have that many people following and enjoying them, it would be impossible. That is why a big follower count matters, and even topics here matters, because in here, we get to see complaints and if there is a proof, we would know about it.

I get where you are coming from but let me play the devil's advocate here. Trust rating should always be taken at face value and not be interpreted any other way. The matter with whether these ratings are manipulated or not is out of the question because if that is so then there's a good possibility that all gambling sites out there with an extensive community may as well skew the ratings to their favor. What I would highly suggest you look out for in a gambling casino is their customer service. A customer service that is subpar or non-existent is a telltale sign that something awry is afoot. Meanwhile like a post I saw here back then, if their customer service is great enough that even in forums like these they can help you once a complaint is made then that is a surefire sign you're in a fair and legit casino.

Well, in as much as I agree with you, I think you didn't get the original point of the whole discussion, me making reference to online trust rating is just as a corner stone laying foundation to the actual point I am trying to expose to the community.

Online casino without online presence simply means an online casino that have no community online where you and me and every users of that casino can interact with each other.

For example,
Stake.com have an announcement thread on bitcointalk, this ann thread also serves as a place where stake users can interact with each other.

Owl.games, Blackjack.fun, Freebitco.in all have announcements threads here on bitcointalk which also serves as a place where their users interact with each other..
On the hand, there are online casinos out there that do not provide this kind of means or facility for their users, which means their users don't know or interact with each other, such a casino can easily scam a user and other users of that same casino won't know about it because there is no means or place for the scam victim(s) to alert other users of that casino to be aware of leave the casino before they fall victim too.

I hope with the above explanation, you are able to understand the context of this topic.

I tend to avoid these websites, not only because I fear they are scam casinos, but also because I suspect they are phishing websites which can attempt to steal your personal informations, accounts or put virus on your device. It's easy to spot these services: you search on google and there are only reviews websites talking about them. The informations disponible are scarce as are the reviews given by users. From the few reviews, some will say these casinos are great (probably employees of the casino posting as users), while others will say they are complete and blatant scams. When you see there is a big imbalance between reviews, without any consistent replies from the casino official support itself, stay away.

Before one gets to choose a casino, I think they may have heard a testimony(s) or seen their name pop up severally on search engines during research on a choice online casino to stick with.
For this to happen, it means, there is an efficient system to ensure customer feedback either by having an active customer care service or a community/forum where interaction concerning such a casino site is open and most importantly, active.  In a case where one doesn't seem to observe this kind of system in place when trying to make the choice of joining a reputable online casino, it is better to look for one that does have the right active system in place, so as to avoid negative stories which might result from having no voice or platform to air complains or grievance.

Majority of us would be definitely be searching up with some relevant information or any feedbacks on a certain site that we are tending to make a deposit but mind bogglingly that there are still people
who do really end up on getting scammed just because they have dealt up on a site which is new and ends up on being a scam, and on the time that happens then this is where they do learn their
lesson that they should have at least put up some effort on making up some research before making any deposit which they should have done it earlier.So that they do able to save up their
asses on getting scammed but well this is where some people do make learnings which it does really come with a cost.

I don't think that there are any relations between gambling platforms that don't have a community like a thread here on the forum to phishing websites. Phishing websites are one way for scammers to scam people with their account and information by copying legitimate websites but differ in the website links. In short, all websites can have a phishing website and it depends on the scammer itself whether what website they'll copy.

When it comes to lack of community of some gambling platforms, they can still be trusted as there are various review sites out there that provides definite reviews whether they are trustworthy or not. Also, even if the casino won't start a community, the users or gamblers can make it on their own on various platforms such as discord and bitcointalk. For me, lack of community doesn't really decide whether the casino is good or not but it's a good to have.

There isn't a direct relation on every cases, but there are higher chances you will fall at a scam casino if you only stick to random reviews on the internet. I've already signed up in theoretically legit crypto websites and suffered phising and hacking attempts from them later. What I mean is that those sites collect your email and password, so what they do next is to try logging in your another accounts in exchanges, emails and more using those same credentials. They also send phising emails to your mailbox from the most diverses themes and subjects.

The problem with random reviews is that you don't know the history of those people, for how long they have been active on this niche, if they are legit gamblers or members of the casino itself or even haters from a rival company. With the forum it's more guaranteed, because you know the reviews here are legit are are posted in real time. There is more activity and as soon something shady happens at a crypto casino promoted on the forum, it's going to be immediately posted here. It's a more efficient platform for checking legitimacy of casinos, I mean.

the past, certainly won't repeat the same thing, but today there are still many founders doing such marketing to target newbies who lack knowledge. now I only believe in legal and trusted gambling

Online casino has a community but they just don't create a forum or an extra site for these community to discuss the casino.  It is reasonable because it is just an extra expenses and needs extra man power to moderate that outside the casino community platform when they have the chat room on the site.


We don't actually need to spend money to check if the casino is legit.  We just need to look for a legit review platform that does not modify the players' feedback.  There are lots of platforms like this on the internet so gathering information if a casino is legitimate or not can be verified through this kind of platform

A quick search over the internet will give us a lot of results, and those results are for us to validate such claims.
Check the source of the feedback, because at first glance, you will have the notion if it is authentic or not.
If you can't determine its legitimacy, check for other reviews or feedbacks, if there are a lot of negative reviews, doubt the site already.
You can always verify the claim if you will also try the site, but use small amount of bankroll to test the site.
Fortunately, on this forum, there are couple of good review sites regarding casinos, and you can check them out below-

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5335097.0 - Gamblingbro.com
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5262141.0  - btcgosu.com

Agree with this and indeed, instead of spending money, it is better to look for official reviews first, apart from minimizing the loss of our money, we also don't have to bother coming to their site.
Currently there are many sources that can be used as a reference especially with some reviews there and maybe here is also a good place to find it because at bitcointalk too I think we already know about some reviews that can actually be trusted in this regard.
Even though everything can't be done like that, especially for newbies, things like this are a good thing to minimize spending on gambling and at least our time isn't wasted.

I'd say those that have a poor support even if they have a strong presence online. I'd rather have the one that has no community and no strong online presence but by just staying on their site, you're getting all the help when needed.

That's what we want when we're playing in a casino and that's to be appreciated by the casino itself and by giving us the service through its own channels.

In that case, I think we should already know what's the best thing to do. Even with no active ANN thread here, we shouldn't be supposed to fall on a random gambling site that easily because we have all the common sense to determine if we are risking money on a considered good site or not. With lots of site checkers today, it's quite easy nowadays to determine if a site is trustworthy or not. Fiat online casinos don't have ANN thread but I do play on several fiat online casinos and I'm not worried about being scammed because I do the proper research before depositing money on those. So far, so good.

Obviously, if you end up not finding many reviews on a certain site, why should you use them? Skip and find another.

This response of mine is just in case a user doesn't know everything about the ANN thread since mostly and of course, only crypto-gambling sites are being discussed here but the subject should be generalized and also includes online fiat casino.

Well, I believe that won’t be necessary at all especially if we are already in a trusted and reputable casino, but for those who have just come out in the market and are still attracting new players, a good online thread will help them gain interested players since they can bargain there their bonuses and promotions and anyone that will be interested will be given chances to inquire first of the requirements to avail those games.

Slow customer support can without a doubt be a problem, especially if the support is also not of the best quality and you need to spend days to resolve an issue that in other casinos may take minutes.

And while I can understand that new or small casinos may not be able to afford such a high quality customer support, I have had some similar experiences with casinos which were very popular, and to me this is very discouraging to the point that if possible I would try to avoid gambling on that casino in the future.

A casino has to be flourished in all aspects to gain popularity. As the casino business continues to thrive, many scammers create new trap along with good casinos. But to get rid of all these various traps some things need to be well analyzed. I will say like others that this forum helps keep a gambler safe from those scam sites. There are ANN threads open for each site where a gambler can get support for any need. Moreover, a new gambler can easily select a casino site by looking at reviews from it. The best thing is that scam sites cannot promote in this platform. Moreover, giving utmost importance to a gambler's withdrawals, deposits and promotions etc. And in these cases when no solution is found after getting any error then those gambling or casino sites should be avoided.

The question is dude, do you have any idea how to know if their community is fake or legit? because nowadays, what you say may be true, but if we don't have evidence, we can ignore it.

They should also have an official channel on Telegram, Twitter, and other social media platforms so that the community knows where to look for them just in case there is a concerning issue that needs to be fixed.

Yes, you are totally right on this very statement of yours given above, because in most cases those might be paid reviews by the casino or it's representative to mere individuals so as to attract potential gamblers into patronizing their casino, haven't read lovely rating on websites such as "Trustpilot" and "Scamadvicer.com". And another casino to avoid is one who promises to offer huge first time deposit bonuses, and a casino without an active signature campaign here currently now on the forum. Because if a casino can't afford to run a signature campaign on the forum, how sure are you they will be able to pay you if you luckily happens to win huge profit?

There can be some exemption on this as there are some gambling platforms that don't have any relation or community to this forum but offers great services on the platform and even the gambling review platform provides great ratings to these. Some review websites might be low quality as they accept payment to review platform but there are review sites out there that can be trusted by anyone.

Also, Promotion and Bonuses that are too great, especially for first-time gamblers are pretty common and have no relation to whether the gambling platform can be trusted or not.

In regard to casinos that have a thread here but does not offer a signature campaign doesn't mean that they cannot be trusted, it just means that signature promotion on the forum did not provide the great result on their advertisement as signature campaigns are often effective only in the long run.

Creating social media platforms arent really that hard which it wont really be that a solid indication if we do speak about legitimacy of a certain platform on which you would really be that relying on it or thinking
off that it would be a solid indication that a certain site is legit.Everything could really be faked from social media accounts to feedbacks or something like that.As a human being then it would really be that impossible
that you wont really be able to determine or differentiate out on whats fake and whats real.Although there are some circumstances which it is really that hard to determine
and this is why this forum is really that relevant or really that helpful if we do speak about real time feedbacks and words towards a certain site.

People get only scammed sometimes because of their poor habit on making a research first before they start gambling. I know that gamblers are all for profits and that's the reality, but if they will rush to play games at an unreputable casinos, its like they're in suicidal. So maybe considering a good community might be the first step to predict that this casino is legit and has no records of scamming.

People do only make out some search after that they had been scammed and this is where they do learn up their lessons which is really just too absurd because they could really be able to avoid those things if they
had just able to make search first before taking any actions.This is really a very common behavior of people on which they do take out actions without having that researching first on things.
If they are really just that minding off on how to deal up with things, then making out some research first isnt really that a bad idea.You would really be that
able to avoid and learn up things before and save yourself into those problems.

To be honest, i don't have many problems with the casino i play often. here in our forum. it is very easy to track down casinos that already have a good reputation. some of them even become one of the leading casinos. So, if there are still people who are victims of casino scams. it was their own fault, because they didn't try to find out in advance whether the casino they were going to play at had a good reputation or not. at least, by just browsing in this section of the forum. we can find casinos that are absolutely to be avoided, especially casinos that have a red record.

To be honest, I don't play in many casinos, only one or two casinos. even so, until now I have never experienced the slightest problem, be it a fast deposit or withdrawal. So, guess we should be grateful, that we have a community and can help when we have a little problem with one of the casinos.

The meaning of lighting up and trusting may well have a large definition. When is a site a scam site? There are often situations where players have violated the terms and conditions and that way problems arise with the gambling site. However, this does not always seem right to me, because casinos are still within their rights to take measures when the general terms and conditions are violated. There is not really 1 type of casino that you should avoid. Using a gambling license also has little value. You will have to look at the reputation and rely on the findings of other players to see what their experiences are like.

It seems like a natural evolution that a casino or sportbook would grow a presence online as they try to attract their customer base. One of the best ways to grow customers in this lucrative and highly competitive business is to make sure your name sits among all the other casinos on places like this or review sites. The only way to do that is by making connections, keeping customers engaged on this type of community and dealing with situations where a customer feels aggravated. If you were to ignore places like this, leaving complaints in the public forum unhandled, then it gives an impression that your site is not trustworthy which is a major part of getting customers to deposit in the first place.

In my opinion - excess of everything is bad be it gambling or the power one should have balanced approach for everything
And one should not waste much amount to the casinos - because it goes quickly and never comes back

On the time you do make out deposits on a gambling site then consider those amounts to be lost already and other relatable to risk which you should really be anticipating for it to happen.
Its true that everything which is too much would be that bad and it is really that needing to have that balance.Our own will would tell us which is bad and which is right.
You cant really be that dumb on not to notice which is really that bad and which is good.We do have this forum where lots of users could able to
tell if we are dealing with a legit or bad site.

It depends on the negative review, when the review is quite emotional without any evidence I tend to disregard the negative review as I just assume the gambler lost money and it is simply salty about it.

However if the negative review is articulated and it is very precise on describing what is wrong with the casino then I give it way more weight, and quite honestly just one of those reviews can be more than enough for me to not gamble at that casino, because as we know in this market once your coins are no longer in your wallet it is impossible to get recover them, unless the other person is willing to send you those coins back, something unlikely if you happen to be gambling at a scam casino.

And that's pretty much how scammers take money off of others. They're rather vulnerable and are ignorant of how the internet can answer most questions if you look up properly, and can pretty easily let you off from being scamed.

It actually depends even if the review was precise, I'd rather look for proof or guarantees that said complaints were actually understandable. Negative reviews that hate on a casino due to say, UI, slow website, and other tech-ish stuff like that, I usually ignore (but I still don't look at them preferably) and do not really consider it as a scam site. I'd only ever consider a review as "negative" if the casino was a legit scam, otherwise, I'd see it as a simple review.

I don't really believe in reviews like that if they don't come from this forum because I already consider this forum the most trusted source of reviews. If some members say negative reviews about a casino and are corroborated by several other people's opinions, that's enough for me to avoid that casino. I better keep looking and try other casinos. I'm sure they have positive reviews. The reviews out there probably won't be honest about what they get from the casino, whether it's the service, the games, or even about deposits and withdrawals. But the members here will give an assessment based on what they experienced. And this is where the role of the casino or its representative is to be able to help every member who has this problem.

Bla bla bla and you're keep promoting a scam casino under your signature, a complete bullshit :D
If you've know how to find a casino is scam, then why you're promoting them? are you think getting a payment from victims were scammed is good?

Yeah this forum is really the best option to choose a right site, not only about casino, but everything that has a relation with Bitcoin or cryptocurrency. When someone get scammed, we only need to avoid to use that service, if the developer or team don't care with that, they will lose most of customers. However there's many people who still not use this forum to gather information, that's why many people still get scammed until now (especially the 1xbit scam).

There are a whole lot of other casinos one should avoid a d I also agree with you in avoiding casinos without presence in online forums because just as OP said, there are possibilities of a casino getting away with a crime if they don't have a community presence, no matter the trust ratings they might have but if they are present in a community, you can easily get in touch with them and firnyhe sake of their reputation, might be forced to respond to you and get this issues resolved.
One other casino one should run from are those ones with negative reviews because even with a negative review and no resolving of the issues is a prove that the casino isn't a trustworthy casino and ahojld b avoided.

Always the best for everything, be it in casino bets or in trading, the best thing is that when you get good profits, it is better to get 50% of the profits and enjoy them, buy, travel, enjoy that money, take it to something tangible and enjoy it The best thing is that, and if the person wants to continue playing, they can do it with the other 50%, which is not bad either, although in my opinion I would not leave 50%, I would leave 10% to risk and leave them totally willing to lose , because it would be playing with my earnings, but losing 10% no longer hurts to lose all 100% of what is earned, I always see it that way, just like trading.

Bro according to men I have seen that many casinos runs with Cheap domain names and also they try some new users to offer more deposit bonus, daily challenge rewards and also Cashback Upto 50%. They lure need users and when they try to get withdraw rewards and than it shows pending and their admins also do not help them.
I have seen these types of casino in my life and thanks God I am safe for now on cause I get knowledge.

Well, it does not mean actually that all those online casinos who do not prefer to build an online community are most likely scams and should never be trusted. Of course it’s never the case. But on the part of the users, even myself, I see it more reliable if we can easily communicate with them with regards of our problems and concerns, and even suggestions. With ANN thread, I can see there is more transparency not only on the part of the operators of the casino but even to the players too. Especially for newly build online casinos, they can be more known easily if there is an ANN thread present.

At least every casino has a telegram group community to communicate directly with the team and other members, aiming to increase trust and positive feedback from each member because every problem is handled quickly, but ANN threads are also good for responses from the community but not all teams that manage official accounts respond problem in the ANN thread because the account is rarely active, so it's better to improve the service for the community group on telegram for the best service.

Most especially for newly built online casinos as they can be misjudged easily and pointed out as a scam if they can't make connections and unable to reach out to their customers particularly in giving solutions to their problems and concerns. Although having no online community is never a guarantee that its a scam, but casinos like this will never be free too from doubts and accusations that this certain casino will turn into a scam later on.

That's because they found the site from a search engine when they must have looked at these forums and made no effort to visit them to find information about the casino they were looking for. Those who do that will experience fraud from an unknown casino and only then will they visit this forum to complain, while we also don't know anything about the casino because the casino doesn't have an ANN here. That gets them in trouble and we can only advise them to contact customer service so that they can solve their case as soon as possible. At least they should be observant in finding the right casino to avoid scams from that casino site.

And this is what happens when people fail to do their due diligence, they read a bunch of fake reviews on social media or in review websites in which shady casinos can buy positive reviews and they think that is more than enough to guarantee the casino in which they are playing is managed by honest people.

And that is is in many cases the best case scenario as there are many other people which simply make a search and play on the first casino that it appears on the results, and unfortunately this carelessness is very common in this market which explains why so many people lose their money in this market.

A casino with no provably fair policy is a red flag and players are not expected to use such online Casinos because their betting outcomes is fabricated in favor of the casino, and players tend to loss out massively too. Aside from this forum, Casinomeister is a good forum that reviews the authenticity of an online casino for players. We must avoid any Casino with poor customer representative, and slow to solve a critical problem like payout or withdrawal issues. So, if a casino has a track record of withholding people's money, then its a red flag for players; such Casino shouldn't be patronized.

I agree with you that we should be doing research online before choosing a new casino for us. Reading reviews in forums like bitcointalk is my go to source to determine if a casino is legit or not. Trusting in a forum where you can see the user who wrote about the casino is much better than trusting in any of the many review websites. For example, if a senior or hero member here on the forum has an issue with the casino than I would give that claim much more weight than from an anonymous review online. Checking the provably fair policy is a good start, also looking at the ToS is a good indication how sophisticated the new casino is. The main issue would be of course if there are problems with withdrawals, withholding money from the gamblers is a big red flag and leads me to avoid that casino.

The word not provably fair is red flag already since whatever you do and how big your capital to play on their casino you cannot defeat the house with that so its so useless to pick that casino because you are just wasting your money for nothing. Much better stay away with that casino and find another more better platform since there are to many reputable casino we can choose to spend our time on. Withdrawals also is big concern so any casino doing manual withdrawals should also need to be avoid it should be automated so that there's no problem we encounter with them.

Supposedly if this happens to the same person, they will be reminded of their past experiences to look for other, more trusted casinos. And if it happens to new people, they should have read many articles about the fraud case to avoid it. But I realize many people will still get into that scam, especially if they read many fake reviews on social media or other review sites. And we can't do anything to help them because it's their own fault.

I want to add one factor: if a casino started to delay withdrawals it's probably a sign that the casino have some difficulties finding liquidity or is using your money for other things. Apart from this, I don't know what makes players go to unknown casinos if all type of games and sportsbook are available on the well known trusty ones which are easy to be detect using this forum as it has many threads that rate most of crypto casinos in terms of many aspects, making it easy for any player to make decision about which casino to play on, so everyone should be responsible in case they got scammed.

Provably fair only exist in a crypto gambling but a regular online casino can still be legit even they use a different system for their games. It's just there is no way to verify your bets when you play on them. This is why some of us loves crypto gambling because there are provably fair casinos on here.

Another advantages of crypto betting is the speed of withdrawals or even the deposits. They are faster than on most non-crypto betting sites. I think that's because there are less regulations here in crypto. This is a good thing because we can attain maximum anonymity. It also gives us a confidence when we see that the money is already in our accounts in a short period of time.

A situational thing but it would be depending on the severity or it do becomes common if those withdrawals becomes too delay which you could really say that there's
something wrong happening on the platform.Actually its really hard to make out some conclusions directly specially on a new site, we cant really just tell if they
are scam or something to be trustworthy which we know that these platforms should do their very best on getting that trust and recognition out of the public
or community which doesnt involved a very short time but rather longer ones.You arent that dumb on not to be able to make out some comparison.

The same question I got, but I come up with an idea as to why some people are still willing to try new casinos which literally is very risky to begin with. That's all because they are usually encouraged and tried to take advantage of the promos and give aways. Most of these gambling websites offers the most indulging promos to entice more users to register and deposit, then eventually and gradually run away with your money.

Well, delay in processing withdrawals can sometimes be as a result of bad network on the blockchain, that is network congestion, I could remember some few year back when Ethereum had a really bad network, at times, when I send a coin over to someone, I will be showed the tx id, but when i search that tx Id in the blockchain explorer, nothing will show up.
This is not me trying to defend any casino that shows up with this attitude, all am saying is that this should be considered as well,, not just to jump into conclusions that they are having liquidity issues and all that.

But on the other hand as well, you are right, there will always be a sign before any casino will completely go bankrupt and possibly run away, starting to delay the processing of withdrawal, which they normal process faster before, could be a sign as well.

it is true!
however, there can always be a "physiological" delay in managing withdrawals, also because it is a way to prevent fraud or scams on the site. reputable casinos typically process requests within minutes.
it will be that I only use first order platforms but I have never seen casinos send payments with delays.

Well personally I don't think it's their own fault to read fake reviews on social media and review sites.

We need to imagine if we're not know this forum and want to gamble on online casino, of course you will type "review x casino" on google or visiting every social medias of this casino. Since this forum doesn't have a good SEO, it doesn't appear on the first page, so they wouldn't aware of this forum.

Maybe they've look it, but they're not pay enough attention since it's for "Bitcoin" not for "gambling".

Well, that's why, every casino that has just built its business must prepare everything in advance if they really want their business to grow and can be trusted by their users even though the online casino is relatively new. So, it's only natural that many gamblers misinterpret it and think it's a scam especially if they can't make connections and can't reach their customers like you said in this post. if an established casino, even though it is relatively new. they will design such a way, before they launch the casino.

at least, in a professional manner to make its business acceptable to its users. there are stages that they have to plan well, so after they release the casino they won't have many problems related to providing solutions and problem worries for their customers, just like you said. So, like the casinos that we have here, especially the ones that have a high reputation. they have prepared beforehand, both in terms of service, connections that reach out to their customers, licenses, and everything that makes the casinos here become one of the most trusted casinos with a high reputation.

We are already on the trend where withdrawal request and processes are already that instant and if a certain gambler does have that kind of experience in other old sites that he had been dealing off with and
on the time that he had experienced delays and holds for those new ones then it isnt surprising that they would really be that impulsive and reactive and this is where they would be throwing out
some issues and complaints without giving some chance to the platform on making out some reasoning on why it do happen or whether it is really just their protocol
on processing up in not an instant manner.

That's usually the reason why many are ending up with a new casino and they're willing to take risk. It's all because of the newness of the casino and the promos that they've got during their launching.
Also, people are falling for these new ones because they have no idea about what are the most reputable ones in the market so, what they do is they pay a visit to whatever casinos that's popping on their ads.

Well, there are many cases where casinos can comply with signature campaigns to do a great marketing job and thus obtain more customers, but the most important thing here I think is whether they comply with withdrawals, as I said before, when a casino does not comply. With the withdrawal requirements, it is very likely that everything will go wrong, or that at this point in life, a casino says that they have to process a payment manually, I think that is worse, because I would already consider it a scam, It is good to avoid these types of casinos, although later in the future I can fix them, they are things that keep me far away so as not to have bad experiences.

one thing that I have seen in the last few months that I am very shocked and perplexed is that there are some old casinos and other new casinos where a person appears on this forum and posts a scam accusation, the first posts of other people are always critical of the person who created the accusation thread, people are criticizing so much that it seems that the accuser is about to destroy the casino business, at least people could be kind and ask more meaningful questions so that the truth can be found

but unfortunately people are not on a neutral side, they take a position on the side of the casino and are against the accuser even if they have not yet seen the accuser show evidence and on the casino side show evidence and an even sadder thing in all of this is that even when the accuser shows evidence and the casino shows up and just makes a post in which he puts the TOS of the casino, people already believe that the casino is right and the case is closed

people don't even think that the casino took days to come and respond on the forum and that all the casino did was post their TOS and didn't show any proof, I think people need to look at how each casino behaves in the face of a problem of a customer, how does the casino behave in solving a customer's problem, because today the problem could be with someone else, but tomorrow the problem could be with anyone else on the forum and nobody is happy to see their money unfairly withheld in some casino

Casinomeister is not just a review site, just like this forum, member on there have their responses on different Casinos. However, I'm skeptic about your response on Hero members or legendary members being a better source to trust than review sites, people differs and one complaint from a reputable member here doesn't make a casino bad. Unless such a dispute is confirmed true and took till the end of time to get resolved. Users can then change their choice. Besides these, it's important to note that these casinos are being operated by different bodies, and can be far from perfection despite the technologies, and man power used to run the business. In essence, what you said about review sites is right on one hand, but on the other hand, not all casino is announced or listed on this forum. So, in such a scenario, online casino reviews can be a strong tool to help players have an internal view of the casino before signing up and depositing money.

One of the best practical sources of information to know if a casino is good or bad in the forum is the signature campaign managers. The campaign managers are incentivized to make sure that the casinos they represent are legit, or else they might get a red trust rating and they might lose their incentives for being campaign managers. Although it might not be perfect, it is still better information than no information.

I agree with you hundred percent because what should be the concern of casinos is to first create a team of customers support system that can administer to every challenges of it gamblers on a platform, just as we have casinos representatives here on the forum fully representing their gambling company and its brand name, this also gives confidence on gamblers to be rest assured that they will always be attended to whenever the raise alarm on complaints, this kind of thing should be imbibe by others to crate an avenue that can bring it entire users to discuss about the whole gambling experience from using their casino.

Yeah, casinos should prioritize building a team of customer support representatives who can effectively address the complaints of their players. This kind of support helps to establish confidence and trust among customers and can lead to a positive overall reputation. In addition, having a strong online presence and engaging with customers through forums and other platforms can help to foster a sense of community and promote transparency in discussions and feedback. Ultimately, effective customer support and an active online presence can contribute to a positive and enjoyable experience for all casino players. The casino industry is constantly evolving, and it's important for operators to keep up with the latest trends. This means that they need to be able to respond quickly in order to provide players with an engaging experience that makes them want to come back again and again.

Well, after we find a review about one casino, we can try to find other reviews that might be more "honest" in giving that assessment. And if they want to keep looking for more information, they will come to this forum and be able to find more information about reputable casinos.

And even though this forum doesn't have good SEO, it does have links on many sites to support this forum in getting to the top of search engines for certain keywords.

We could really make out some comparison and its a must thing to be done and not just making direct or on point decision basing up on just 1 or single search.It cant really be just
that ideal if you do have that way because chances of being scammed is high because not all newly launched casinos or simply those new would really be ending up on legit ones.
You could eventually able to point it out though because non so well designed alone does indicates that it is really not that something you could trust with.

By making comparisons of various assessments carried out by many people, we can see which assessments are really honestly given and which ones just want to get referrals or have already been paid by the casino. From there, we can see what kind of casino we want to use because we have to find a good and safe casino. But if it's a newly launched casino, it's better not to get your hopes up and wait until the new casino can get a good reputation and a good reputation from others. Then, we can give it a try with little money.

although this forum is a very reputable casino but unfortunately people outside the forum don't know about this forum.
so some gamblers out there sometimes gamble at casinos that don't have good reviews or don't have a good reputation and then they get scammed.
even though as an online gambler, before investing in a gambling site that is not yet well-known, he should have done detailed research first. but they ignore that and in the end they are deceived.

This is why a gambler should first make a decision after researching the casino platform. A gambler can lose everything when the hard -earned money is stolen by a scam site. So a gambler should choose a gambling platform after doing a good review. In this case, if a gambler comes in tough with the Bitcointalk forum, it will be very easy for him to select the best casino and gambling platform.

It is true, our forum discussion and the announcement threads give an outline about the gambling platforms. Finally it is the user to choose the best, as we've got more number of gambling sites available. People who aren't part of the forum easily gets trapped. Even the review sites doesn't give clear information about the gambling sites with cryptocurrency acceptance. In most of the review sites it is possible to see unpopular platforms listed at the top. Those reviews seems to be paid ones.

This a sad reality and that's the always scenario for most users that just want to gamble.

Even though users do their work searching for reviews on the web, sometimes they are not ended up in this forum because search engine results are filtered with the majority of review sites and those will be the top results.

But even without referring to this forum, there are ways to check for the legitimacy of a gambling site. It just shows that even if a user did their best to look for reviews, the spend time and effort applied are still lacking as they are not ending up with a result that will lead them to this forum.

lucky if the gambler stumbled this forum, because they can get very good reviews and feedbacks when it comes to crypto casinos. the 2 boards- gambling and this discussion board are very good references when it comes to gambling and all the other topics related to it. you can even get good insights on where to bet on different sports. but if the gambler is outside this forum, definitely, he may look from other review sites or check the trustpilot. we don't know how authentic are reviews on those platforms.

I avoid these casinos as much as I avoid casinos that "randomly" KYC you, aka KYC you if you win something big. Withdrawal delays are nothing more than a strategy by the casino to incline a player to gamble away winnings by capping the amount you can withdraw at a time and forcing you to wait before submitting another withdrawal request. They'll have the withdrawal increments be extremely small too so in some cases you might have to way over a week until you're able to fully withdraw the entirety of your balance.

It's only a matter of time until those people find this forum, especially if they want to find more information from search engines. Or we can also invite them to join this forum so they can find the right information about crypto. If the gamblers can get the right casino from this forum, they can avoid the scams that the casino commits. Hopefully, after having a bad experience or experiencing it themselves, gamblers can learn that not all casinos out there can provide comfort in playing gambling and make them able to really find and get the right casino for them.