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Title: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on January 13, 2023, 01:10:13 PM i would like to collect all the information here in this thread to create an overview of the extent of yesterday's action by yogg it would be very helpful for me if you can send me this information (here in the thread or via dm) Code: User: please use this thread only for this information!!! discussions can still be held in the other two threads Code: bc1qhalvedaa4ewexwzrts0d487p6h3sz89q4fclaf - golden halving set #23 - krogothmanhattan (refunded) Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 13, 2023, 01:10:58 PM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434597.msg61588507#msg61588507
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on January 13, 2023, 02:48:55 PM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434597.msg61588507#msg61588507 please dm me your BTC adress for refund Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Agrawas on January 13, 2023, 02:56:16 PM i would like to collect all the information here in this thread to create an overview of the extent of yesterday's action by yogg it would be very helpful for me if you can send me this information (here in the thread or via dm) Code: User: please use this thread only for this information!!! discussions can still be held in the other two threads Send u a pm few days ago with all the outstanding coldkeys pending for shipment and the loan pending from yogg. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on January 13, 2023, 03:09:38 PM ✂ Send u a pm few days ago with all the outstanding coldkeys pending for shipment and the loan pending from yogg. this is first and foremost about the users who were stolen from last night (cest) by yogg Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: PreciousMetapsICT on January 13, 2023, 03:53:04 PM ✂ Send u a pm few days ago with all the outstanding coldkeys pending for shipment and the loan pending from yogg. this is first and foremost about the users who were stolen from last night (cest) by yogg Not to be a downer, but even if by some miracle my swept funds (.0125 btc) were returned to me, that is a merely a small % of what was actually stolen. I am not btc rich. I buy btc to buy collectibles. I spent somewhere around $800 (also believe this auction was a steal - and seller originally paid much more) for that set which is now practically worthless. Putting a BTC figure on this based solely on what is swept is less than 1/3 of what was actually lost - conservative estimate as this same release sold for near $1200 to Yoda. Literally impossible to be made whole and I’d prefer Yogg’s damage is not diminished by being valued by what he stole. What he really did is so much worse - especially to you Cygan and to the forum members that have supported him for years. Such quality work - all destroyed Edit: I actually thought this was a post of gathering information - not of Cygan fixing part of it. Kind of unreal to get anything back and gives me a newfound respect for Cygan Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: owlcatz on January 13, 2023, 04:11:39 PM Not to be a downer, but even if by some miracle my swept funds (.0125 btc) were returned to me, that is a merely a small % of what was actually stolen. I am not btc rich. I buy btc to buy collectibles. I spent somewhere around $800 (also believe this auction was a steal - and seller originally paid much more) for that set which is now practically worthless. Putting a BTC figure on this based solely on what is swept is less than 1/3 of what was actually lost - conservative estimate as this same release sold for near $1200 to Yoda. Literally impossible to be made whole and I’d prefer Yogg’s damage is not diminished by being valued by what he stole. What he really did is so much worse - especially to you Cygan and to the forum members that have supported him for years. Such quality work - all destroyed This is true, and I'm very sorry to everyone as well. Yogg was what I thought was a good friend. he stole from me as well. I feel guilt for even helping him resurrect this project now even, but how could I have known? :-[ Anyhow, to get anything back at all in cases like this is the best you can possibly hope for/get... Most times, scam victims never get a dime back, this is better than nothing, but I feel your pain. I lost about 20k overnight all told... Poof... ??? Sorry again all, and thanks to the guys wanting to help make things right, you are truly the best - Kialara, Frank @ Alpen, Claycast, and others I may have missed, thank you and I am sorry this space feels like it will never be the same again. :'( So many burns on so many levels. Not how I planned on starting a new year at all. :( Edit - Cygan, Thank you, but I won't be asking for a refund for my silvers, you took a huge hit too here, and I'm not going to make it worse for you brother. Thanks to you sir, you have a heart of gold. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 13, 2023, 04:26:18 PM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434597.msg61588507#msg61588507 please dm me your BTC adress for refund DMd you as requested and thankyou Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: LitLitBit on January 13, 2023, 04:48:15 PM i would like to collect all the information here in this thread to create an overview of the extent of yesterday's action by yogg it would be very helpful for me if you can send me this information (here in the thread or via dm) Code: User: please use this thread only for this information!!! discussions can still be held in the other two threads LitLitBit Silver Halving Set S/N HALVING3-L.31 HALVING3-R.31 AP Gold Halving Set S/N HALVING3-L.AP4 HALVING3-R.AP4 Public addresses : bc1qhalvedlc9ndwzm5xx32g6x55n7felkq4g55esq bc1qhalvedjsn03fy6p2qm7kpd887rx0dnrzu723ql bc1qhalved3wnjf7anlm7eaqu75zr27f80699wn6df bc1qhalvedzy9f4euathjy73a8jr0n5qt0vek0dk3h https://i.imgur.com/a5jptVpl.jpg Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: tweetious on January 13, 2023, 06:23:13 PM i would like to collect all the information here in this thread to create an overview of the extent of yesterday's action by yogg it would be very helpful for me if you can send me this information (here in the thread or via dm) Code: User: please use this thread only for this information!!! discussions can still be held in the other two threads DM sent as requested! Thank you for all your efforts, really appreciated! Silver Halving Set S/N HALVING3-L.28 HALVING3-R.28 bc1qhalved6z79j6e68yfeh8a2rs700qlkn5alyasa bc1qhalvedqtpm7yjl8fct8ka9lsm7sxse7t4dxtfx https://i.imgur.com/scuQCQx.jpg Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: ChiBitCTy on January 13, 2023, 07:26:24 PM https://i.ibb.co/X8m1TCs/44-F2082-D-CA29-4777-A562-BE2975639217.jpg (https://ibb.co/pyCcpLz)
https://i.ibb.co/YQn66hW/F7-E3-ED91-8753-48-F5-9502-203-FE4456485.png (https://ibb.co/tKjSSDh) https://i.ibb.co/Hr8zqmg/59587-EE0-A51-E-4-CE9-882-A-C80-C2751-F693.png (https://ibb.co/Q6wNMsm) Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: MoparMiningLLC on January 13, 2023, 07:44:11 PM ... that shows your funds were swept at 630pm yesterday - that would put your sweeping at a time long after the others. Did he give his explanation to owlkatz and then start sweeping more cards?!?!? maybe provide txn id to see if additional cards were also swept at the same time. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: BobbyCoins on January 13, 2023, 07:52:37 PM You should start communicating in block height of last known CK swept by yogg because of time zones... last block of stolen funds I know of was 771.616 but the info is just from this funding-transaction of Silver Halving CKs: https://mempool.space/tx/27:a1afdd4e5e667bad1c499038a3ef96d6f85f656b737c16e7addb783640b2dd31
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: MoparMiningLLC on January 13, 2023, 08:09:18 PM You should start communicating in block height of last known CK swept by yogg because of time zones... last block of stolen funds I know of was 771.616 but the info is just from this funding-transaction of Silver Halving CKs: https://mempool.space/tx/27:a1afdd4e5e667bad1c499038a3ef96d6f85f656b737c16e7addb783640b2dd31 yes timezones can be an issue. would love to see his txn id to see if others were taken that late as well. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on January 13, 2023, 08:52:57 PM the first refund bunch has been sent to the users listed below
Code: heisty tomorrow we will continue ... i'm off now :P Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: YodasRedRocket on January 13, 2023, 09:43:35 PM the first refund bunch has been sent to the users listed below Code: heisty tomorrow we will continue ... i'm off now :P Confirmed Cygan refunded my stolen bits = .0125 BTC Still out .04723 BTC for premium I paid for the card but appreciative for getting my bits back... I know others are out much more than I am with lost premiums. Thanks Cygan... feel bad you're in this situation because of Yogg... but was good of you to do what you did! Yoda Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: tweetious on January 13, 2023, 10:06:20 PM the first refund bunch has been sent to the users listed below Code: heisty tomorrow we will continue ... i'm off now :P I can also confirm that Cygan has refunded my Silver halving set bits = .0125 BTC That was greatly appreciated & I kinda felt awkward since (if I understood this correctly) he is refunding us out of his pocket... Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: YodasRedRocket on January 13, 2023, 10:18:11 PM the first refund bunch has been sent to the users listed below Code: heisty tomorrow we will continue ... i'm off now :P I can also confirm that Cygan has refunded my Silver halving set bits = .0125 BTC That was greatly appreciated & I kinda felt awkward since (if I understood this correctly) he is refunding us out of his pocket... I believe so Tweetious. Because of his unfortunate affiliation w/ Cold Key. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: LitLitBit on January 13, 2023, 10:21:15 PM the first refund bunch has been sent to the users listed below Code: heisty tomorrow we will continue ... i'm off now :P Can confirm that cygan has refunded my stolen bits from both my silver and gold halving sets 0.025BTC in total. As tweetious mentioned this is such a fucked situation as I don’t know if cygan is refunding from bits paid to him from his work at coldkey or his personal bits or what’s going on. I’m thankful to recover this small portion. I’m out about ~1BTC in premiums paid for all my cards as I had 74 coldkeys in total. It’s been a devastating 48 hours. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Mitchell on January 13, 2023, 11:15:36 PM I've just sent in my official picture proof. Cygan has offered to refund me yesterday and I would like it to be known that I've refused. Whilst I appreciate the gesture, I do not want his money. I'll gladly take the hit if the money doesn't come from Yogg's pockets.
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: El duderino_ on January 13, 2023, 11:55:37 PM I've just sent in my official picture proof. Cygan has offered to refund me yesterday and I would like it to be known that I've refused. Whilst I appreciate the gesture, I do not want his money. I'll gladly take the hit if the money doesn't come from Yogg's pockets. Agree with Mitchell... I've missed out on the gold halving card and bc of a not complete collection I have sold them all a while back, if I had my coldkeys and they would have been swept as well.... I would never take money of someone who isn't wrong .... Also I have been offered money for some occasions in the passed though I always refused in situations where someone wanting to pay while its nothing to do with them... Very kind gesture from cygan but not in need to do this. Cheers Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: MoparMiningLLC on January 14, 2023, 12:30:51 AM I agree - I think Cygan is approaching it from his role of being the CEO anything he spends ahould then either come from yogg now or at some future point.
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Agrawas on January 14, 2023, 01:33:04 AM ✂ Send u a pm few days ago with all the outstanding coldkeys pending for shipment and the loan pending from yogg. this is first and foremost about the users who were stolen from last night (cest) by yogg Got it bro.. your deserve a big kudos and big merit for doing this.. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: geophphreigh on January 14, 2023, 01:50:24 AM PM sent. TY
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on January 14, 2023, 09:00:57 AM I've just sent in my official picture proof. Cygan has offered to refund me yesterday and I would like it to be known that I've refused. Whilst I appreciate the gesture, I do not want his money. I'll gladly take the hit if the money doesn't come from Yogg's pockets. Agree with Mitchell... I've missed out on the gold halving card and bc of a not complete collection I have sold them all a while back, if I had my coldkeys and they would have been swept as well.... I would never take money of someone who isn't wrong .... Also I have been offered money for some occasions in the passed though I always refused in situations where someone wanting to pay while its nothing to do with them... Very kind gesture from cygan but not in need to do this. Cheers I agree - I think Cygan is approaching it from his role of being the CEO anything he spends ahould then either come from yogg now or at some future point. because this is what it looks like i can't just take credit for being part of Coldkey and be happy about any/alleged profits i also have to be there for the customers in times like these and my decision is this, that i will make these refunds out of my own pocket i am just a very positive person and think/believe that this will pay off/be appreciated someday... here i would like to thank again expressly for the very great gesture to Mitchell and Kryptowerk :-* Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 14, 2023, 10:04:09 AM the first refund bunch has been sent to the users listed below Code: heisty tomorrow we will continue ... i'm off now :P Can confirm made BTC whole by Cygan for the swept BTC. Thankyou Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: notocactus on January 14, 2023, 10:20:58 AM because this is what it looks like You are a good man, cygan and are doing great initiative to refund victims.i can't just take credit for being part of Coldkey and be happy about any/alleged profits i also have to be there for the customers in times like these and my decision is this, that i will make these refunds out of my own pocket i am just a very positive person and think/believe that this will pay off/be appreciated someday... here i would like to thank again expressly for the very great gesture to Mitchell and Kryptowerk :-* It is good for your reputation and Coldkey but something is damaged can not be restored completely. This accident is not your fault but it is marked in history of BTC related collectible products and companies, not only Coldkey. In addition, even you refund victims, the values for their items are no longer as same as before the accident. Imagine, the value of BTC stolen in each item is small but maybe previous value of the item was higher than BTC stolen by yogg (?) Maybe Bitcoin developers must think of it, because collectible items are one of Bitcoin use cases. They should develop something to make it safer. Anyone has idea, can join the discussion Change co-signers for Bitcoin multisig wallets, can it be developed? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434685.0). I think if we can come to a solution that is possibly to develop, it would be good for Bitcoin generally and Collectible industry in particular. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: El duderino_ on January 14, 2023, 11:16:00 AM Indeed there is damage in its belief… now people will always think with items like coldkey that funds can be stolen and what if ?? When pockets are not deep enough and a good person can’t refund all stolen funds, then the hart may be as good as it want but if one can not refund….
There is just a damage left here which will not go away Pity but also good for people to know… Understand people will think what if when a company sells more as 10-100x the volume of the coldkeys which where sold as now…. Then people will be much more afraid the creator might steal again bc the value is life changing… Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Kryptowerk on January 14, 2023, 01:45:28 PM I've just sent in my official picture proof. Cygan has offered to refund me yesterday and I would like it to be known that I've refused. Whilst I appreciate the gesture, I do not want his money. I'll gladly take the hit if the money doesn't come from Yogg's pockets. I think it is quite generous to offer refunds to those affected. Not sure if just paying out of Cygans own pocket is the right approach though - a little torn on this but didn't feel right for me to take that money. He offered to also refund the unfunded coldkey I had (it should have been funded but I never noticed since two days ago). So kudos to that! The main focus should be on trying to bring Yogg to return funds or get him to create a plan to make at least stolen AND unfunded card funds whole. Wouldn't the first step would be to talk/visit/dunno him and get a full picture of what he still has access to? Finding out which funds are truely LOST IN GAMBLING or maybe still sitting in some wallets to be returned to those that are the actual rightful owners of them? That's what I think of when I hear of the position of (former) CEO. A tedious and maybe hopeless task, but it should be tried at least. Just my 50 sats. It's a difficult topic for sure. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: YodasRedRocket on January 14, 2023, 03:18:57 PM I've just sent in my official picture proof. Cygan has offered to refund me yesterday and I would like it to be known that I've refused. Whilst I appreciate the gesture, I do not want his money. I'll gladly take the hit if the money doesn't come from Yogg's pockets. I think it is quite generous to offer refunds to those affected. Not sure if just paying out of Cygans own pocket is the right approach though - a little torn on this but didn't feel right for me to take that money. He offered to also refund the unfunded coldkey I had (it should have been funded but I never noticed since two days ago). So kudos to that! The main focus should be on trying to bring Yogg to return funds or get him to create a plan to make at least stolen AND unfunded card funds whole. Wouldn't the first step would be to talk/visit/dunno him and get a full picture of what he still has access to? Finding out which funds are truely LOST IN GAMBLING or maybe still sitting in some wallets to be returned to those that are the actual rightful owners of them? That's what I think of when I hear of the position of (former) CEO. A tedious and maybe hopeless task, but it should be tried at least. Just my 50 sats. It's a difficult topic for sure. Yogg isn’t going to make this right unless forced to do so by law enforcement, courts, asset seizure etc. Mopar mentioned in another thread that Yogg swiped someone’s copper halving set after he had been confronted & stated all other keys were safe. He’s a liar, thief & total shitbag. And the likelihood he has all private keys copied is very high. I don’t believe this stops with the raffle funds & halving sets. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: N8twon on January 14, 2023, 04:02:10 PM I own a silver set
link to image with my name and date, can't figure out how to upload image to bitcointalk https://imgflip.com/i/77gxxa dm'd receiving address Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on January 14, 2023, 04:38:13 PM the next refund batch has now been sent to the following users today
Code: ChiBitCTy Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Mbitr on January 14, 2023, 04:39:33 PM I own a silver set link to image with my name and date, can't figure out how to upload image to bitcointalk https://imgflip.com/i/77gxxa dm'd receiving address Quoted for you mate :) https://i.imgflip.com/77gxxa.jpg Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: lebnor on January 14, 2023, 06:04:07 PM I've just sent in my official picture proof. Cygan has offered to refund me yesterday and I would like it to be known that I've refused. Whilst I appreciate the gesture, I do not want his money. I'll gladly take the hit if the money doesn't come from Yogg's pockets. I echo that sentiment Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: N8twon on January 14, 2023, 06:27:51 PM I own a silver set link to image with my name and date, can't figure out how to upload image to bitcointalk https://imgflip.com/i/77gxxa dm'd receiving address Quoted for you mate :) https://i.imgflip.com/77gxxa.jpg Ty fren Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: N8twon on January 14, 2023, 06:28:40 PM the next refund batch has now been sent to the following users today Code: ChiBitCTy Not all heros wear capes Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: ChiBitCTy on January 14, 2023, 07:47:56 PM Heck of a guy Cygan. I'm still not sure how to feel about my refund. We will take care of you one way or another. Way to be a stand up dude , to say the least.
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Suzuki Matt on January 14, 2023, 08:45:56 PM As I did not lose funds and was able to peel mine and recover all of the btc. I just wanted to come and say that this is so generous of you Cygan. I commend you for standing by it all and doing your best to make people whole. We have all lost a great deal of money whether you had 1 card or 200. Its bullshit.... But you definitely earned my respect today. I just hope one day that these funds come from yogg at some point.
I'm really hoping someone files a report with the FR police. HE deserves to be in jail. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on January 15, 2023, 03:58:17 PM on the initial post i have now created a list of the users i have refunded so far including BTC-address and serial# of the halving sets with the help of this reference list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434506.msg61585760#msg61585760) from LoyceV
to keep this list completely transparent i still need some more infos from chronicsky, krogothmanhattan, N8twon, ChiBitCTy and heisty (see initial post) which are still missing Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on January 16, 2023, 01:47:13 PM next refunded scammed user:
Code: haloxon Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 16, 2023, 01:51:54 PM Both addresses that were swept to (`3BBNmksdPw63ghuNEeFsfPkwXaiqYJH9e7` and `3BZDT1rhf7vnabzASuiLzDBBbgDfHivdRd`) are now confirmed HitBTC addresses, as both were transferred to the HitBTC cold wallet. Looks like Yogg is going to cash it out/has actually sold it. I've messaged their legal team, which probably won't help, but it should at least get his account shutdown. Feel free to contact them as well. The more the better IMO. :) Just in case anyone missed this on the other thread! I implore you to contact https://hitbtc.com/legal-information https://hitbtc.com/ Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Becassine on January 16, 2023, 11:56:28 PM I had a cold key too, but without anything on it. So never mind. I recently lent Yogg some satoshis, I'm not very wealthy, but I thought I'd help him in his business. I have no idea what he did with them. Yogg told me that he would pay me back, before the disaster...
I'm so sorry for everyone, but especially for Cygan, Owlcatz and the others who invested money and time. In the meantime, I don't want Cygan to pay me back from his pocket, it's hard enough as it is. If one day you manage to get your money back, maybe you'll think of me, Cygan... In the meantime, if you need the btc address used for your possible investigations, you can send me a message. Good luck to all. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Kryptowerk on January 17, 2023, 10:04:14 PM Jfyi: I updated and moved my scam-summary: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315347.msg61612749#msg61612749
I'll try to update / edit as good as possible when new / more things come to light. Despite that will probably try to be a littles less involved in the topic for now - it was kinda soul-draining over the last few days. PS: I discovered one more of my CK cards was not funded from the start on (also a history 2020-2 card). Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: DaveF on January 17, 2023, 11:14:14 PM after checking all my coldkeys …
loss in total BTC 0.02531628 :-\ Probably NOT the same issue but: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422223 When you say different QR scanners were they all on the same phone? Would not put it past yogg to put on a bad code but someone I work with just had to deal with not being able to scan a decent sized QR code with an iPhone 13 when everyone else could with no issues; his nothing would not even recognize that it was a code. Same phone scanned every other QR with no issues. -Dave Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on January 18, 2023, 04:26:27 PM next refunded scammed user:
Code: synthylover furthermore, i received a message from a certain 'william' via telegram. so far, he could only provide me with a photo without his username and he supposedly only owns one card each of the halving series #113 and #115 since i want to be sure and don't want to fall for other scammers i wanted to ask you if anyone knows this user... https://i.ibb.co/8BtHn3q/61616273.png and if the user addressed here is reading this, it would be nice if you would respond here in this thread or at least send me a dm Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Hookzup1 on January 18, 2023, 04:38:49 PM I honestly cannot understand a single reason why someone would accept a single satoshi from kind hearted cygan for this issue he was no part of and probably took a larger hit than 99% of anyone affected by yogg 🤔 I have 3 complete halving sets including gold silver bronze I assume are all stolen but I would never expect or accept funds from another innocent victim :( I think it's sad others are taking advantage of his amazing offer to fix yoggs ridiculous brain dead mistake
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on January 18, 2023, 04:44:18 PM I honestly cannot understand a single reason why someone would accept a single satoshi from kind hearted cygan for this issue he was no part of and probably took a larger hit than 99% of anyone affected by yogg 🤔 I have 3 complete halving sets including gold silver bronze I assume are all stolen but I would never expect or accept funds from another innocent victim :( I think it's sad others are taking advantage of his amazing offer to fix yoggs ridiculous brain dead mistake as a former ceo, it was my personal decision to refund these users first, so that they can cope with at least part of their loss and continue to sleep a little more peacefully ;) i understand your point of view but i am not angry with any user now because he contacted me about the refundig. maybe yogg has balls and will pay me back all the money at some point... Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Hookzup1 on January 18, 2023, 04:55:14 PM I think smoothies auction idea to recoup affected user funds was a genius generous idea. As I see it accepting from cygan is kinda like an honest way of doing what yogg did and taking funds from an innocent victim. Unless cygan was getting the unpeeled cards in return as proof they were victims and couldn't pass on the cards to others in the future I guess would make this make a little more sense
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Agrawas on January 18, 2023, 06:55:45 PM as a former ceo, it was my personal decision to refund these users first, so that they can cope with at least part of their loss and continue to sleep a little more peacefully ;) i understand your point of view but i am not angry with any user now because he contacted me about the refundig. maybe yogg has balls and will pay me back all the money at some point... Kudos to you buddy for doing the refunds and I really respect what you did. As a CEO of coldkey, I am curious as to what made you prioritize the refund for the swept funds from Halving keys over the other impacted people related to coldkey issues. From all the threads related to coldkey in past week, I have gathered these 4 major issues that people have encountered: 1. Sweeping of Halving Coldkeys. 2. Past orders that were paid for but never delivered(As per Yogg's messages they were ready to be shipped the next day but that day never came). 3. People paid for funding their coldkeys but they were never funded. 4. Personal loans to Yogg. (This definitely should not concern you as a CEO since it was personal unless someone can proof that they loaned Yogg some money towards the development of Coldkey). #2 and #3 are much older issues than #1 and I am not sure if you were aware of either of them. Disclaimer: I am not impacted by either of the issues above except for loaning some BTC to Yogg. Had couple of small pending orders which doesn't concern me now since majority of the funds were in premiums and not in the actual coldkeys thay have all been swept now. I just want to reiterate that this is in no way against you but rather to bring up the issue of prioritizing the impacted people that will also come up after Smoothie's auction of how these funds will be distributed to the impacted parties by this whole Yogg's debacle. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on January 18, 2023, 07:02:38 PM ✂ I am curious as to what made you prioritize the refund for the swept funds from Halving keys over the other impacted people related to coldkey issues. ✂ as i have already written, it was entirely my decision alone. it has nothing to do with prioritization only i can't come up completely alone on the big and miserable mistakes of yogg. yogg was the founder and also had his shares at ck... and he should pay the other liabilities! Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Hookzup1 on January 18, 2023, 07:30:19 PM I was personally impacted by all 4 of the issues agrawas mentioned but I would never accept a single sat from cygan, however I would give him 100% of my merit, if I had to give, for his generosity in this case. And to be clear I fully understand the reasoning behind why cygan is offering his own personal crypto to those affected, what I don't understand is why members would accept it.
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: MoparMiningLLC on January 19, 2023, 01:53:05 AM I think some may see it as Cygan was CEO - as with any company, those in charge accept responsibility for those under them. That also means the one at the top is then responsible to make sure the ones who are guilty are held accountable - yogg in this case.
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: DaveF on January 20, 2023, 02:31:32 PM I was personally impacted by all 4 of the issues agrawas mentioned but I would never accept a single sat from cygan, however I would give him 100% of my merit, if I had to give, for his generosity in this case. And to be clear I fully understand the reasoning behind why cygan is offering his own personal crypto to those affected, what I don't understand is why members would accept it. Because they might need it? If part of your needed income was buying / selling / trading collectables and all of a sudden a lot of it's value was wiped out it might be causing a bit of difficulty. It's not just the amount of the BTC on the card, it is also the amount that was paid as a premium because it was a collectable. They are not getting the extra back, so getting something back could make a difference. AND, with FTX along with all the other things that happened in the last few months even people who would not normally need it, may need it now. And so on. Or, and this is a respectable answer too, because he offered. Some people may not have gone out and asked for the BTC, but since he offered they will take it. Fine line, but I can see some people thinking that way. Just to be open, I took a hit but I have been doing this long enough and knew the risks of getting funded things from people so in my mind it is what it is. Not asking for anything back and just taking my lumps and moving on. But, as I said I can see other people acting differently. -Dave Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: TheBeardedBaby on January 22, 2023, 09:17:53 PM My case is a bit different, so I don't know if it fits here but I'll post my story.
After my kid was born I made a giveaway of my CM sig earning to celebrate it. Then yogg sent me a PM with a suggestion in a way to thank me, he was supposed to issue a special crypto bond (unique) for the kid, locked for 18 years for free, except that I had to fund it and cover the shipping. I agreed to that suggestion and sent him some 50eur in btc together with extra 20eur to cover the shipping expenses. That was in the beginning of 2019. Since then I never got the bond, I knew he was going through some rough times and I didn't want to push him about it, since the bond wasn't on my urgent stuff list. I sent a PM to yogg and cygan to ask who's gonna take care of case after the stepping down of yogg. But yogg never showed up... Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: MoparMiningLLC on January 22, 2023, 10:49:59 PM Yea sounds like you are in line with the rest of us who never got our cards - iirc the 20 card set was 650 - the 2 cards were paid by krogoth and the 3 other cards were supposed to be Q3 2021 cards as a “thank you” for loaning him .05 BTC
I questioned many times why there were more and more cards being sold while people were claiming they never got theirs - I was told all issues had been resolved… guess not. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: owlcatz on January 23, 2023, 01:21:54 AM My case is a bit different, so I don't know if it fits here but I'll post my story. After my kid was born I made a giveaway of my CM sig earning to celebrate it. Then yogg sent me a PM with a suggestion in a way to thank me, he was supposed to issue a special crypto bond (unique) for the kid, locked for 18 years for free, except that I had to fund it and cover the shipping. I agreed to that suggestion and sent him some 50eur in btc together with extra 20eur to cover the shipping expenses. That was in the beginning of 2019. Since then I never got the bond, I knew he was going through some rough times and I didn't want to push him about it, since the bond wasn't on my urgent stuff list. I sent a PM to yogg and cygan to ask who's gonna take care of case after the stepping down of yogg. But yogg never showed up... Just curious but was this deal made late at night off-forum? Telegram perhaps? He was likely wasted and gambled your money away that night then got lazy as fuck if so..... You aren't the only one he did this too either because the bonds were a pain in his ass to create lol... There will be more updates on this shit to come from Daniel or Cygan I'm sure, but let's be real - Yogg is not going to repay any debts. Cygan was left with a terrible ordeal as well ... 🤷♂️ Thank you all for your PM's and support, it means a lot. I've felt a lot of guilt about even helping him get this project back off the ground now, but hell, I didn't know and he was a master of deceit - Had I ever any inkling this would ever have happened, I wouldnt be writing this.... Also, I never got paid a dime by him either for all the work I did for him, and also got super scammed too... :( Yea sounds like you are in line with the rest of us who never got our cards - iirc the 20 card set was 650 - the 2 cards were paid by krogoth and the 3 other cards were supposed to be Q3 2021 cards as a “thank you” for loaning him .05 BTC I questioned many times why there were more and more cards being sold while people were claiming they never got theirs - I was told all issues had been resolved… guess not. Again, updates to come with any luck on this... Sorry but again he told me over and over it was sent to cygan for reship to you. I'm still not sure it ever was, but by the sounds of it, probably not. I'll let cygan chip in here once he's up etc.. 🤷♂️ Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: minerjones on January 23, 2023, 03:19:29 AM will there be anything added to the OP about cards that never got funded?
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on January 23, 2023, 08:32:37 AM will there be anything added to the OP about cards that never got funded? unfortunately, no. this is primarily about the incident almost 2 weeks ago, where all the halving sets were swept up@MoparMiningLLC to the other open orders (from the time when i had nothing to do with Coldkey) there will be a separate thread soon too @TheBeardedBaby i see the money/investment as lost unfortunately :-[ Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Kryptowerk on January 23, 2023, 01:40:23 PM will there be anything added to the OP about cards that never got funded? unfortunately, no. this is primarily about the incident almost 2 weeks ago, where all the halving sets were swept up@MoparMiningLLC to the other open orders (from the time when i had nothing to do with Coldkey) there will be a separate thread soon too @TheBeardedBaby i see the money/investment as lost unfortunately :-[ I think the auction with donations would be a good starting point to also distribute funds of those affected by unfunded cards. Has there been any discussion so far on how the funds would be distributed? Also, I don't have an overview but from the OP it seems 46 swept halving coldkeys were refunded by cygan. The remaining are probably either declined refunds or from owners that didn't show up in the forum yet. Wouldn't it make sense to refund - remaining swept cards for anyone that declined refunding from cygan - unfunded ck cards - open orders from the auction coming up? Ofc it needs a txid or clear evidence for payment / ownership of these cards. Any loans given to yogg could possibly be compensated if there are funds left after refunding (which doubt) but I think these are private contracts between yogg and the person giving the loan, making it a seperate issue from the ck exit-scam in way. Happy to hear more views / suggestions on the matter. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Becassine on January 23, 2023, 06:37:47 PM Hello,
I think that if there are some funds left, some can be allocated to Cygan, Owlcatz and those who invested, no? Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on January 23, 2023, 07:05:47 PM Hello, I think that if there are some funds left, some can be allocated to Cygan, Owlcatz and those who invested, no? i have already written somewhere that i don't want refunds from you - yogg is the guilty one and from him i want to see something like this ✂ You offered to refund my unfunded card which I gladly declined. ✂ i thought that you also had an affected silver halving set in your possession ✂ I think the auction with donations would be a good starting point to also distribute funds of those affected by unfunded cards. Has there been any discussion so far on how the funds would be distributed? Also, I don't have an overview but from the OP it seems 46 swept halving coldkeys were refunded by cygan. The remaining are probably either declined refunds or from owners that didn't show up in the forum yet. Wouldn't it make sense to refund - remaining swept cards for anyone that declined refunding from cygan - unfunded ck cards - open orders from the auction coming up? Ofc it needs a txid or clear evidence for payment / ownership of these cards. Any loans given to yogg could possibly be compensated if there are funds left after refunding (which doubt) but I think these are private contracts between yogg and the person giving the loan, making it a seperate issue from the ck exit-scam in way. Happy to hear more views / suggestions on the matter. there have only been two users so far who have rejected my offer of refunding... one is you and the other i have also listed in the overview in the op ;) i think that the other affected users here are not so often on the forum and have not noticed what happened. maybe some sets were also resold - no one knows. and i also think that the loans that have been handled with yogg are unfortunately irrecoverable :-\ Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: TheBeardedBaby on January 23, 2023, 08:46:28 PM @TheBeardedBaby i see the money/investment as lost unfortunately :-[ I know that, I don't want any refined from you or anyone other except from yogg. I just wasn't sure if that's the place to share the story since it was a crytobond not Coldkey thing... And in addition if further actions are to be taken I would love to know. My case is a bit different, so I don't know if it fits here but I'll post my story. After my kid was born I made a giveaway of my CM sig earning to celebrate it. Then yogg sent me a PM with a suggestion in a way to thank me, he was supposed to issue a special crypto bond (unique) for the kid, locked for 18 years for free, except that I had to fund it and cover the shipping. I agreed to that suggestion and sent him some 50eur in btc together with extra 20eur to cover the shipping expenses. That was in the beginning of 2019. Since then I never got the bond, I knew he was going through some rough times and I didn't want to push him about it, since the bond wasn't on my urgent stuff list. I sent a PM to yogg and cygan to ask who's gonna take care of case after the stepping down of yogg. But yogg never showed up... Just curious but was this deal made late at night off-forum? Telegram perhaps? He was likely wasted and gambled your money away that night then got lazy as fuck if so..... You aren't the only one he did this too either because the bonds were a pain in his ass to create lol... There will be more updates on this shit to come from Daniel or Cygan I'm sure, but let's be real - Yogg is not going to repay any debts. Cygan was left with a terrible ordeal as well ... 🤷♂️ Thank you all for your PM's and support, it means a lot. I've felt a lot of guilt about even helping him get this project back off the ground now, but hell, I didn't know and he was a master of deceit - Had I ever any inkling this would ever have happened, I wouldnt be writing this.... Also, I never got paid a dime by him either for all the work I did for him, and also got super scammed too... :( No, actually he contacted me here on the forum. Here's the PM since things are not so private anymore.... Edited out some personal info :) Hey xxx, How are you doing ? How is it being a dad ? ;D Thank you very much for your kind words on the Coldkey threads. Sorry I didn't reply to your posts and for the late reaction. I'm rather busy other users have replied to you in between. :) Anyway, I much appreciated your comments and your questions. Thank you ! Also, if you want to purchase a Coldkey, you can find them in the shop on our website : https://www.coldkey.eu/shop/ Right now, available, there is the February and March History Coldkey. This serie is loaded with the equivalent of 50€ worth of BTC at the rate of the 1st day of each month. They're limited to 64 for February as well as 64 for March. This serie requires some BTC as for funding. The february one will be available until the 12th of March, and the March one until the 5th of April most likely. Our first release (Genesis Edition) is also available. It's limited to 250 and is available until it sells out. I also think you were super kind to share your ChipMixer sig campaign reward with us all, and I'd like to make something special for you to thank you. :) Please keep it for yourself, but I would like to create one of the first Cryptobonds for you, a special one, that is locked for 18 years. This is intended as a gift for your newborn child. I'll let you decide about the BTC loading amount, but keep in mind that I can't tell how BTC will run in 18 years. Please let me know what you think :) I wish you a great monday, Kind regards from Paris, yogg Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: TheBeardedBaby on January 26, 2023, 10:38:42 AM JFI, I made a thread in the Reputation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5436855.0), to sum up the total loss, like krogoth made here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434597.msg61588502#msg61588502) and added some reference links. It's difficult to follow a case when it is spread over a few threads.
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: seek3r on January 26, 2023, 09:36:58 PM JFI, I made a thread in the Reputation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5436855.0), to sum up the total loss, like krogoth made here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434597.msg61588502#msg61588502) and added some reference links. It's difficult to follow a case when it is spread over a few threads. At first I thought: ohhhhh no, not another thread about this topic. Firstly, because it is slowly getting out of the throat and especially because it has become so confusing due to all the created threads. ::) But when I saw that you just try to eliminate the second point with it, I was reassured again. :) I hope that this shit-show about CK has an end soon - I also have not come without damage from the matter. Maybe an addition for you: @cygan had offered to replace the lost coins (at least those loaded on the cards) out of his own pocket. The appropriate thread you have already included. I think it would be fair if you would remove the following part because krogoth got his loss replaced: Everyone who are affected by yogg's scam can post here the losses they have, of course if they want.
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: trankil on January 27, 2023, 08:00:29 AM picture send in dm
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: MoparMiningLLC on January 27, 2023, 01:43:38 PM Thebeardedbaby - your post concerning the bond not being funded - that is impossible, to timelock a transaction the funds are required. You have to broadcast the txn once the listed block has occurred. Currently only one card has matured past its block listed - the second will in a few months.
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 27, 2023, 02:02:26 PM JFI, I made a thread in the Reputation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5436855.0), to sum up the total loss, like krogoth made here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434597.msg61588502#msg61588502) and added some reference links. It's difficult to follow a case when it is spread over a few threads. At first I thought: ohhhhh no, not another thread about this topic. Firstly, because it is slowly getting out of the throat and especially because it has become so confusing due to all the created threads. ::) But when I saw that you just try to eliminate the second point with it, I was reassured again. :) I hope that this shit-show about CK has an end soon - I also have not come without damage from the matter. Vielleicht noch eine Ergänzung für dich: @cygan hatte angeboten, die verloreren Coins (zumindest die auf den Karten geladen waren) aus eigener Tasche zu ersetzen. Den passenden Thread hast du ja bereits aufgenommen. I think it would be fair if you would remove the following part because krogoth got his loss replaced: Everyone who are affected by yogg's scam can post here the losses they have, of course if they want.
Tha is list pretty good and the one that is not listed in there is the thousands in premiums that myself and others have lost ever since SKAMKEY creator DOGG stole from use....thats the biggest lost of them all Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: TheBeardedBaby on January 27, 2023, 02:05:27 PM Thebeardedbaby - your post concerning the bond not being funded - that is impossible, to timelock a transaction the funds are required. You have to broadcast the txn once the listed block has occurred. Currently only one card has matured past its block listed - the second will in a few months. The cryptobond was never made. I got the btc address, and the private key associated with it but was never funded. He said that had some issues with my cryptobonds and had to focus on the Coldkey series, so it was so much delayed that I almost forgot it. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 27, 2023, 02:08:09 PM Thebeardedbaby - your post concerning the bond not being funded - that is impossible, to timelock a transaction the funds are required. You have to broadcast the txn once the listed block has occurred. Currently only one card has matured past its block listed - the second will in a few months. The cryptobond was never made. I got the btc address, and the private key associated with it but was never funded. He said that had some issues with my cryptobonds and had to focus on the Coldkey series, so it was so much delayed that I almost forgot it. So far I have multiple people send me the Raw code for their bonds and all are not double spent, in other words when they broadcast the code the keys on the cards should become funded. I hope that by the time the Timelock date arrives they will stay that way! Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: MoparMiningLLC on January 27, 2023, 02:14:08 PM Sounds like his was never actually made? So that would be a card never received then right?
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on January 27, 2023, 03:05:37 PM next refunded scammed user:
Code: trankil Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: seek3r on January 27, 2023, 04:21:31 PM Tha is list pretty good and the one that is not listed in there is the thousands in premiums that myself and others have lost ever since SKAMKEY creator DOGG stole from use....thats the biggest lost of them all Got you. I am in the same boat aswell, lost a lot of premium aswell. I just meant that you should also list that a certain part (loading value) has already been refunded. Unfortunately, we have all lost the fat premiums. :-\ Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 27, 2023, 05:44:52 PM Tha is list pretty good and the one that is not listed in there is the thousands in premiums that myself and others have lost ever since SKAMKEY creator DOGG stole from use....thats the biggest lost of them all Got you. I am in the same boat aswell, lost a lot of premium aswell. I just meant that you should also list that a certain part (loading value) has already been refunded. Unfortunately, we have all lost the fat premiums. :-\ Sad but true....I think these will go back up in time as people will look at these as part of the history and risk taken by us in the collectable world of ours.... I know I bought the Alitin scam coins and paid dearly to get the Joan of Arc one which rarely ever comes up on the market. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on January 29, 2023, 09:48:59 AM in a way time heals the wounds and the ck-cards might reach a value with certain hardcore collectors where you might get weak and want to sell them yourself
i keep all my peeled cks in my blue ck folder for now and as krogoth already wrote, this is a part of the collectors history that we have personally witnessed Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Becassine on January 29, 2023, 10:23:57 AM Tha is list pretty good and the one that is not listed in there is the thousands in premiums that myself and others have lost ever since SKAMKEY creator DOGG stole from use....thats the biggest lost of them all Got you. I am in the same boat aswell, lost a lot of premium aswell. I just meant that you should also list that a certain part (loading value) has already been refunded. Unfortunately, we have all lost the fat premiums. :-\ Sad but true....I think these will go back up in time as people will look at these as part of the history and risk taken by us in the collectable world of ours.... I know I bought the Alitin scam coins and paid dearly to get the Joan of Arc one which rarely ever comes up on the market. Hello, What's the Alitin scam coins and Joan of Arc please ? Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 29, 2023, 11:26:34 AM Tha is list pretty good and the one that is not listed in there is the thousands in premiums that myself and others have lost ever since SKAMKEY creator DOGG stole from use....thats the biggest lost of them all Got you. I am in the same boat aswell, lost a lot of premium aswell. I just meant that you should also list that a certain part (loading value) has already been refunded. Unfortunately, we have all lost the fat premiums. :-\ Sad but true....I think these will go back up in time as people will look at these as part of the history and risk taken by us in the collectable world of ours.... I know I bought the Alitin scam coins and paid dearly to get the Joan of Arc one which rarely ever comes up on the market. Hello, What's the Alitin scam coins and Joan of Arc please ? You can read it here if you like as well.... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315347.0 ALITIN COINS https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/14/blob63515bb00c1b39e7.png (https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/14/blob63515bb00c1b39e7.png) This is as per their website…. On February 26, 2017, at roughly 1:30 to 2:30 am, our company experienced a breach of a limited number of our coins. The coins in question had their BTC removed and we are in the process of determining how this could have happened. We are in contact with the FBI and we expect a full investigation to begin shortly, to which we will offer our total cooperation and effort to bring the perpetrator(s) to light. Please contact us at raforsyth@alitin.com if you believe your coin may have been compromised, and we will do our best to work with you individually to resolve the issue to your satisfaction. Our current policy includes the refunding of the face value of BTC of your coin with all verified purchases where a breach has occurred. We cannot guarantee how long this will take, but we wish to provide satisfaction to everyone as quickly as possible. You patience is very much appreciated and we hope to bring this matter to a very swift and satisfactory conclusion. Thank you! The Alitin Team UPDATE: We have begun the process of verifying persons whose coins have been compromised and the first BTC refunds have been issued. We will process your application for refund carefully and as fast as we can, and in order of receipt. We will do our best with our available funds to reimburse everyone who we can determine to be a verified victim of the breach and theft of February 26, 2017, and we will offer this refund until April 5, 2017. After this date, and due to the price volatility of Bitcoin, we simply cannot be sure we will have the funds necessary to refund stolen BTC. We will need a photo of your unbroken case to show it has not been previously opened, and we urge you to not sell or open your coin casing before we can process your request. We do have a certified customer database, and this will certainly help in the verification process if you are an original purchaser of your coin(s). If you bought your coin from someone else, it may be more difficult to determine your status, and it may take more time, but we will still do our best. For further reading you can read a great article on https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qkmj3x/the-great-physical-bitcoin-robbery https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1815933.0 **************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** **************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Becassine on January 29, 2023, 02:57:18 PM Tha is list pretty good and the one that is not listed in there is the thousands in premiums that myself and others have lost ever since SKAMKEY creator DOGG stole from use....thats the biggest lost of them all Got you. I am in the same boat aswell, lost a lot of premium aswell. I just meant that you should also list that a certain part (loading value) has already been refunded. Unfortunately, we have all lost the fat premiums. :-\ Sad but true....I think these will go back up in time as people will look at these as part of the history and risk taken by us in the collectable world of ours.... I know I bought the Alitin scam coins and paid dearly to get the Joan of Arc one which rarely ever comes up on the market. Hello, What's the Alitin scam coins and Joan of Arc please ? Merci, et Jeanne d'Arc ? have a nice day/evening :) You can read it here if you like as well.... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315347.0 ALITIN COINS https://i.imgur.com/0eH0l5E.png (https://i.imgur.com/0eH0l5E.png) This is as per their website…. On February 26, 2017, at roughly 1:30 to 2:30 am, our company experienced a breach of a limited number of our coins. The coins in question had their BTC removed and we are in the process of determining how this could have happened. We are in contact with the FBI and we expect a full investigation to begin shortly, to which we will offer our total cooperation and effort to bring the perpetrator(s) to light. Please contact us at raforsyth@alitin.com if you believe your coin may have been compromised, and we will do our best to work with you individually to resolve the issue to your satisfaction. Our current policy includes the refunding of the face value of BTC of your coin with all verified purchases where a breach has occurred. We cannot guarantee how long this will take, but we wish to provide satisfaction to everyone as quickly as possible. You patience is very much appreciated and we hope to bring this matter to a very swift and satisfactory conclusion. Thank you! The Alitin Team UPDATE: We have begun the process of verifying persons whose coins have been compromised and the first BTC refunds have been issued. We will process your application for refund carefully and as fast as we can, and in order of receipt. We will do our best with our available funds to reimburse everyone who we can determine to be a verified victim of the breach and theft of February 26, 2017, and we will offer this refund until April 5, 2017. After this date, and due to the price volatility of Bitcoin, we simply cannot be sure we will have the funds necessary to refund stolen BTC. We will need a photo of your unbroken case to show it has not been previously opened, and we urge you to not sell or open your coin casing before we can process your request. We do have a certified customer database, and this will certainly help in the verification process if you are an original purchaser of your coin(s). If you bought your coin from someone else, it may be more difficult to determine your status, and it may take more time, but we will still do our best. For further reading you can read a great article on https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qkmj3x/the-great-physical-bitcoin-robbery https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1815933.0 **************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** **************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 29, 2023, 04:52:22 PM Merci, et Jeanne d'Arc ? have a nice day/evening Smiley Yes it is.....read more here .... https://www.cryptonumist.com/coin/jeanne-darc-limited-1st-edition/ Jeanne D‘Arc Limited 1st Edition Manuf. Alitin Mint Year 2014 Denom. 1 BTC Type PF Mintage 600 Material .999 Silver Diameter 44.45 mm Thickness 5 mm Weight 2 ozt Country USA Category: Alitin Mint Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Becassine on January 29, 2023, 07:24:29 PM Merci, et Jeanne d'Arc ? have a nice day/evening Smiley Yes it is.....read more here .... https://www.cryptonumist.com/coin/jeanne-darc-limited-1st-edition/ Jeanne D‘Arc Limited 1st Edition Manuf. Alitin Mint Year 2014 Denom. 1 BTC Type PF Mintage 600 Material .999 Silver Diameter 44.45 mm Thickness 5 mm Weight 2 ozt Country USA Category: Alitin Mint Merci ;) Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 29, 2023, 07:33:16 PM To all the ColdSkam victims like myself....to ease the pain a bit please reach out with an addy and I will send you an NFT as follows..
https://opensea.io/assets/matic/0x2953399124f0cbb46d2cbacd8a89cf0599974963/19315192129586075638665246013012855449076103288975182165644953945979270201444 Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on February 05, 2023, 09:32:40 AM BTCump
for those who haven't contacted me yet (and according to my list there should still be some) or haven't noticed that their halving sets aren't worth anything anymore :-\ Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on March 11, 2023, 01:13:34 PM after a long time there is again a next refunded scammed user:
Code: Sarduk Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on March 25, 2023, 09:06:47 AM next refunded scammed user:
Code: seek3r tx-id was communicated by dm. list in the op has been updated Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: owlcatz on March 25, 2023, 04:09:50 PM next refunded scammed user: Code: seek3r tx-id was communicated by dm. list in the op has been updated Hmm... So was a bronze swept, or just unfunded? ??? Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Bitbuddy60 on March 26, 2023, 05:04:43 PM next refunded scammed user: Code: seek3r tx-id was communicated by dm. list in the op has been updated Hmm... So was a bronze swept, or just unfunded? ??? Report this to the IRS for potential tax evasion. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: krogothmanhattan on March 26, 2023, 05:12:38 PM next refunded scammed user: Code: seek3r tx-id was communicated by dm. list in the op has been updated Hmm... So was a bronze swept, or just unfunded? ??? Report him to the IRS for tax evasion. DOGG is in France...so outside of IRS jurisdiction....but people have reported him to the legal authorities and hopefully that will have him incarcerated and hold him accountable for his despacable crimes Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Cueneyt1986 on March 30, 2023, 07:23:33 PM Hi @ all,
It's been a very long time since I was last logged in here. After that I read here what yogg did to all of us Coldkey lovers... How can someone destroy his own unique brand like this? I was rugged too and have checked only my Diwali and Halving Coldkeys... The Diwali editions are not rugged. My copper halvings are not rugged too, but he has stolen the funds from my golden and silver Coldkeys... Here are the details: HALVING3-L.18 bc1qhalved049lyyf0xfz8s696ec8z0qwvtsutagap https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qhalved049lyyf0xfz8s696ec8z0qwvtsutagap (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qhalved049lyyf0xfz8s696ec8z0qwvtsutagap) HALVING3-R.18 bc1qhalvedmwqj2s8w8zwxyrk0skwf40tcg5ey5q9x https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qhalvedmwqj2s8w8zwxyrk0skwf40tcg5ey5q9x (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qhalvedmwqj2s8w8zwxyrk0skwf40tcg5ey5q9x) https://i.postimg.cc/w7WjdFBw/20230330-205820.jpg (https://postimg.cc/w7WjdFBw) HALVING3-L.64 bc1qhalvedrvl4ydzshj2kxlddekmst5yv09ctywqk https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qhalvedrvl4ydzshj2kxlddekmst5yv09ctywqk (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qhalvedrvl4ydzshj2kxlddekmst5yv09ctywqk) HALVING3-R.64 bc1qhalved9qxuzun55easq5yy3c3kznztg46g9veu https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qhalved9qxuzun55easq5yy3c3kznztg46g9veu (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qhalved9qxuzun55easq5yy3c3kznztg46g9veu) https://i.postimg.cc/gwtJqDCw/20230330-210430.jpg (https://postimg.cc/gwtJqDCw) The damage is 4 x 0.00625BTC = 0.025BTC BTC/XBT I will check my other Coldkeys like the prototypes, history etc. also and I will keep you posted. And by the way, can some one please explain to me how do I implement exactly a picture with the "insert image"-funtion: [ img ] [ /img ] ??? UPDATE: I have checked my other Coldkeys and it seems that yogg was only able to rug the golden and silver Coldkeys. All other Coldkeys were not touched by him. I have also crypto bonds, but the BTC there are not released yet. My complete Coldkey collection: https://i.postimg.cc/QBf2FYRz/20230331-001543.jpg (https://postimg.cc/QBf2FYRz) Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Becassine on March 30, 2023, 09:16:27 PM And by the way, can some one please explain to me how do I implement exactly a picture with the "insert image"-funtion: [ img ] [ /img ] ??? You can go here : https://postimages.org Example : https://i.postimg.cc/pXQ6YJnw/t-l-chargement-11.png (https://postimages.org/) Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: sweeteye on April 03, 2023, 01:42:59 PM Hey Community,
Evidently Yogg is not finished with his thievery. I *had two funded Playtoshi's that were compromised today. I knew the risk, took the chance, and got fucked - poor decision on my part. Just wanted everyone to know that this lost shell of a human being is still up to his felonious bullshit. Karma's a motherfucker... Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: guigui371 on June 21, 2023, 11:05:27 AM Hello,
It turns out that I am too affected. One bronze set and then some buyer funded Gold / silver and normal ones. sending Cygan a message on telegram to work out a refund. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on June 21, 2023, 11:12:55 AM ✂ sending Cygan a message on telegram to work out a refund. there is a refund pool (0.4003BTC) that was created by this auction (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434623.0) at that time. i would suggest that this pool should be used for other victims. but first i need some proofs (including pics) from you (via pm) about which series you are talking about here Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: guigui371 on June 21, 2023, 11:31:56 AM ✂ sending Cygan a message on telegram to work out a refund. there is a refund pool (0.4003BTC) that was created by this auction (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434623.0) at that time. i would suggest that this pool should be used for other victims. but first i need some proofs (including pics) from you (via pm) about which series you are talking about here Messaging you on telegram as we have now established communication and verified correlation between BTT user / telegram user Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Hookzup1 on June 21, 2023, 06:28:12 PM I guarantee I lost more than anyone due to yoggs actions and I never recieved a single satoshi from the victim auction, and I will not accept anything from cygan (another victim with huge heart)
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: MoparMiningLLC on June 21, 2023, 07:21:25 PM I dont think anyone has received anything except from Cygan's direct pocket so far.
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Spokanistan51 on June 21, 2023, 08:11:55 PM Agree, this pool to reimburse is a skamtastic disaster waiting to happen. Nothing against Cygan but the scammers that will come out of the woodwork and scoop up anything available. I really do hope all of you that experienced losses do get something in the end. I am licking my wounds and moving on, but small beans I'm sure compared to you Hookz.
I guarantee I lost more than anyone due to yoggs actions and I never recieved a single satoshi from the victim auction, and I will not accept anything from cygan (another victim with huge heart) Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: Hookzup1 on June 21, 2023, 08:27:33 PM I can't think of anyone I'd rather meet more than Patrick (yogg)
Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: MoparMiningLLC on June 21, 2023, 09:29:30 PM I can't think of anyone I'd rather meet than Patrick (yogg) would love to meet him as well. between the undelivered cards, the loan and the bullshit - he needs an ass whoopin. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: tldr-hodl on June 22, 2023, 07:33:49 AM I don't consider it important, especially when reading what everyone else lost, so just if anyone's keeping some sort of total tally he also got my 0,0065 BTC for a set of 3 personalized Bas Coldkeys. Were supposed to be finished last year in October, but I thought hey, I can wait, I can trust this guy ::)
Again, just for info, not claiming anything... Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: krogothmanhattan on June 22, 2023, 07:55:41 PM I can't think of anyone I'd rather meet more than Patrick (yogg) You ain't the only one matey! Perhaps someday we can organize a trip to France and see the city of lights and how beautiful it is....never been to France except when I had to transfer flights at the airport....but never stepped outside. And we can also take some photos for the memories as well. I am sure we will have fun! Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: guigui371 on June 28, 2023, 11:18:23 AM Alright, so this my claim :
I claim that I own the following Cold key : https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/28/SJ0gb.png I have with me the card that say HOME, I've emptied them on 13th Jan 2023 once i was made aware of yogg activities. (keep in mind that at this point, i hadn't connected or visited BBT in like over 1 year). My claim is supported by : 1) a google spreadsheet created 17 mars 2022 The day i loaded all my card at the same time : [img width = 600 ]https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/28/SJxuv.png[/img] I have removed my name, but just to show that I created a list of my card in march 2022, long before any YOGG suspicious activities. 2) a blockchain transaction loading all the cards i claim to own at the same time, on the day i created my spreadsheet. Code: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/66cc4f379e9a72c8953b37811e618a90194a3eba8b3bc4326a0eb9a8e7a810cd 3) I have with me the 4 cards from my list https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/28/SVuj5.jpeg 4) i can actually sign a message from the adress that funded my card and the one emptied by Yogg. (screenshot from electrum first) https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/28/SVSvc.png Code: Guigui371 owns this adress https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/28/SVZiP.png So, no i don't have access to the card that yogg emptied, they are located 24h by plane from my current location and the cost to retrieve is about $6000 usd Plus about 4 days of my life ( 1 day in plane each way, one day to collect, and one day to recover from jet lag). I was assured by Cygan that only the halving set were affected on January 14th 2023 [img with = 400]https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/28/SVCuq.jpeg[/img] (not that it matters too much, because even if he said that all cards were affected, it was and still not possible for me to go and retrieve the cards) The reason why the cards were left behind after i moved was for them to become available when my children turn 18 (now 1 and 2) during a trip back to the country they were born (but not grew up). It is only on 19th of June that i realised that yogg emptied more cards on april 23rd and that I contacted Cygan again. Anyway, this is the end of my message, I may not have been the one impacted the most, but the 0.01 x 2 + 0.05 and 0.1 BTC lost (total is 0.17 BTC = USD $5,134) as well as one copper set (not on the list, and nothing to prove ownership) are of sentimental value to me as they would have been kept for 18 years. So now, i'm asking to be considered for a full or partial refund based on the information shared above. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: guigui371 on June 28, 2023, 11:21:01 AM Alright, so this my claim : I claim that I own the following Cold key : https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/28/SJ0gb.png I have with me the card that say HOME, I've emptied them on 13th Jan 2023 once i was made aware of yogg activities. (keep in mind that at this point, i hadn't connected or visited BBT in like over 1 year). My claim is supported by : 1) a google spreadsheet created 17 mars 2022 The day i loaded all my card at the same time : [img width = 600 ]https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/28/SJxuv.png[/img] I have removed my name, but just to show that I created a list of my card in march 2022, long before any YOGG suspicious activities. 2) a blockchain transaction loading all the cards i claim to own at the same time, on the day i created my spreadsheet. Code: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/66cc4f379e9a72c8953b37811e618a90194a3eba8b3bc4326a0eb9a8e7a810cd 3) I have with me the 4 cards from my list https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/28/SVuj5.jpeg 4) i can actually sign a message from the adress that funded my card and the one emptied by Yogg. (screenshot from electrum first) https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/28/SVSvc.png Code: Guigui371 owns this adress https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/28/SVZiP.png So, no i don't have access to the card that yogg emptied, they are located 24h by plane from my current location and the cost to retrieve is about $6000 usd Plus about 4 days of my life ( 1 day in plane each way, one day to collect, and one day to recover from jet lag). I was assured by Cygan that only the halving set were affected on January 14th 2023 https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/28/SVCuq.jpeg (not that it matters too much, because even if he said that all cards were affected, it was and still not possible for me to go and retrieve the cards) The reason why the cards were left behind after i moved was for them to become available when my children turn 18 (now 1 and 2) during a trip back to the country they were born (but not grew up). It is only on 19th of June that i realised that yogg emptied more cards on april 23rd and that I contacted Cygan again. Anyway, this is the end of my message, I may not have been the one impacted the most, but the 0.01 x 2 + 0.05 and 0.1 BTC lost (total is 0.17 BTC = USD $5,134) as well as one copper set (not on the list, and nothing to prove ownership) are of sentimental value to me as they would have been kept for 18 years. So now, i'm asking to be considered for a full or partial refund based on the information shared above. two post in a row, sorry, I just had to modify a [img] code to show message between me and cygan and didn't want to edit, as people are usually suspicious of edited message. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: seek3r on June 28, 2023, 11:34:51 AM snip two post in a row, sorry, I just had to modify a [img] code to show message between me and cygan and didn't want to edit, as people are usually suspicious of edited message. So sad and sorry to hear about ur loss but I guess that you will not get refunded. cygan started to pay out of his own pockets when things got started. At that time it was said that only the halving sets were affected and cygan then decided to refund them although he was not to blame for the matter. That the whole thing then assumed such proportions was not necessarily clear. So u can't blame cygan after it was already a significant amount that he paid for. That was very commendable, especially when u consider that he also took a big hit himself. I'm really sorry for u but maybe you can still prove ownership of the halving cards. I've only been back for a short time and saw that all my cards (and there were quite a few) were cleared by yogg too. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: cygan on June 28, 2023, 11:45:11 AM very well explained by seek3r.
especially since there is now also the refund pool and this should then be used exclusively for other victims (if the proof of ownership of the cards are available). at that time this pool did not exist and i tried to keep the damage and also the emotions of the respective user as low as possible Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: guigui371 on June 28, 2023, 11:49:33 AM very well explained by seek3r. especially since there is now also the refund pool and this should then be used exclusively for other victims (if the proof of ownership of the cards are available). at that time this pool did not exist and i tried to keep the damage and also the emotions of the respective user as low as possible Then, can i be included in the refund pool ? I know it is 100% yogg fault, but were you not the CEO of coldkey at the time of the incident? I am french, and will be going to France in August (not where the cards are). I am aiming to officially file a complaint to the police about Yogg. (depot de plainte). Money will not be returned, he probably will not go to jail, but if criminal record will forever be tainted and it will make it hard for him to have a job or start a new business. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: seek3r on June 28, 2023, 11:57:42 AM Then, can i be included in the refund pool ? I know it is 100% yogg fault, but were you not the CEO of coldkey at the time of the incident? I am french, and will be going to France in August (not where the cards are). I am aiming to officially file a complaint to the police about Yogg. (depot de plainte). Money will not be returned, he probably will not go to jail, but if criminal record will forever be tainted and it will make it hard for him to have a job or start a new business. If I am right its not 100% decided how to use the funds from the pool. Unfortunately, there are many victims of him.. cygan joined (or even bought into) Coldkey towards the end of 2022 A really, really gross move by yogg... >:( cygan paid a big amount of BTC only to be attacked a short time later. This just goes to show what a disgusting and unlikable person Patrick (yogg) is. I would strongly say that cygan was unaware of all the dealings and yogg had "good" uses for a new CEO in his plan. So cygan got dragged into it unnecessarily. But all of yogg's intentions are guesswork, he didn't have balls to make a statement. In reality, he lied to the people who have always been loyal to him. What we do know is that all our funds on the coldkeys are gone.. ::) Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: guigui371 on June 28, 2023, 12:19:44 PM I started a thread in Investigation to get the ball rolling on suing Yogg in France by a french victim.
Unsure to where it will go, but if people are wiling to assist with their time (no financial support is asked) you can find the thread here : Starting a thread, PS : unsure if I've use the right board (investigation) to do my thread and/or if it is allowed. I am asking for Moderator's forgiveness if i didn't follow the proper rules. Title: Re: [INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey Post by: MoparMiningLLC on June 28, 2023, 12:56:13 PM I started a thread in Investigation to get the ball rolling on suing Yogg in France by a french victim. Unsure to where it will go, but if people are wiling to assist with their time (no financial support is asked) you can find the thread here : Starting a thread, PS : unsure if I've use the right board (investigation) to do my thread and/or if it is allowed. I am asking for Moderator's forgiveness if i didn't follow the proper rules. I believe there are also other threads in investigations on this matter - might be good to link those into yours as well. I had approx .75 BTC invested into coldkey via cards bought, loads, prepayment for cards never delivered and for a loan made directly to coldkey. While there is a refund pool, it is not enough to barely pay half of what I lost and I am, by far, not the biggest loser. That said, I do not expect to ever see a full recovery of what I lost. I would like to see a refund for the loan and for the cards never delivered though. |
