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Title: they are scamming us?
Post by: cafter on March 05, 2023, 03:59:45 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video: https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: UserU on March 05, 2023, 04:28:38 PM
That's why players stick to reviews or megathreads of casinos to see which ones are worthy over time. There are a few reputable reviewers here, like GOSU and GamblingBro that have reviewed casinos from time to time.

After all, gambling is all about luck and house edges hence it's a business for making money.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: klidex on March 05, 2023, 04:32:16 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M
Everyone who has been involved in the world of gambling for a long time must know that indeed in a casino, whether playing or betting, there must be such a thing as a special system where the casino will make it difficult for gamblers to get a win.
Casinos will also continue to do such things to be able to take as much profit as possible and of course casinos will not let gamblers beat them.
I think without you saying this we as gamblers already know it and it is our risk as gamblers.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Coin_trader on March 05, 2023, 04:41:26 PM
They are not scamming and actually the terms and condition will help you to understand how their business work. Gambling is a business. It’s normal that they will want profit from customers money by means of loss. They don’t need to do this shitty algorithms to scam players just to have a profit because they already have the house edge on all of the games which guarantee their win in the long run. They just need a good marketing and promotion to let player stay in the casino.

I watch this video long time ago. He might telling the truth about the casino he is working before but there’s no assurance that other casino is doing it too. Gambling doesn’t promise any profit at all that’s why casino always say to bet responsibly.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: CryptSafe on March 05, 2023, 05:14:32 PM
 Do not forget that casinos are more or less a business oriented organization. So therefore would want to make more profits to running the casino and also salary payment to her staff. Just like every individual, gamblers or bettors would want to make profit from gambling on casinos same it is applicable to casinos too. No one wants to loss. I some times feel the same way you too feel about casinos intentionally doing what they could to strap gamblers of their hard earned resources all in the name of gambling for fun. Although not all do it intentional but believe me you, they always want More gamblers to fail do they could make more profits to their coffers.  I think sometimes the issues of account ban and suspension must likely be that the casino might be running short of funds do would probably generate more funds from that act of theirs in banning and suspending accounts but they would not say it for us to know rather they would find fault and do the dirty job on people's account and funds.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: RapTarX on March 05, 2023, 05:32:21 PM
Casinos are here to make money; not to lose to their gamblers/customers. At the end of the day, they will be the winner and you, me or other gamblers will be the loser. It's pretty much simple than you are thinking as of. Well, play on casinos where you can verify your bets; if you are familiar with provably fair, so it shouldn't be an issue for you. If all of us keep winning, would this huge casino industry have existed? No. C'mon.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: seoincorporation on March 05, 2023, 05:36:13 PM
I watched the video and it's good, is nice to see that side of the coin. And the fact that casinos manipulate the bets is just crazy... As you mention some of the games are provably fair and the site can't manipulate those ones, but games like slots can be manipulated because users can't verify the bets in those ones, and since the casino has a license we don't have any option than trust on them.

My recommendation is to play games where you can verify the bets.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: cabron on March 05, 2023, 05:38:27 PM
Apparently, it's hard to resist that despite them warning us that casinos are not going to allow us to win in the long run but we're here. We are going to make some wins somehow and lose over time. It's not scamming but it's just designed for us to lose.

I think people though are starting to learn that more than half of the people here I guess are going for sports betting. That's a gradual escape from luck-based games.  

One thing that the video was saying is true even in online casinos was that the more you lose, you become a VIP. Yup ultimately you are a winner.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Oshosondy on March 05, 2023, 05:48:45 PM
@cafter, we all know that there is house hedge but we love gambling, if you think gambling site are cheating you and you do not want that again, you can stop gambling, but almost all people that re gambing know this and they just want to have fun while some people only just want to try their luck with just little amount of money.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: bettercrypto on March 05, 2023, 06:13:42 PM
It's really hard to win at any casino we go to gamble. Oftentimes, whether it's online or land-based casinos, the house edge lets a novice gambler who enters their casino platform win first.

    Until the house edge sees that the gambler is entertained and they see that he enjoys winning all the time until it becomes a habit of their gamblers. There are still winners but of course, there are still more losers.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: bitbollo on March 05, 2023, 06:17:49 PM
Gambling is an industry that probably should be regulated like other industries that sell "particular" products. Particular? Yes sure since these are products that can give addiction!

if you play without understand or underestimate the risk involved with gambling you are risking to get scammed/loss a big amount of money.

But, if someone is playing just for fun and enjoy spending time on such activity (with a defined wallet/amount to play) I don't see nothing wrong, and of course it's just a math issue if casino ending win...


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: o48o on March 05, 2023, 06:41:35 PM
The whole video can be summarized to the fact that house has an edge. That's not scamming, that's common knowledge. Casino makes profits, if that wasn't a sure thing they wouldn't exist.
And obviously when someone is winning irregular amounts of money compared to other users they are being investigated how are they doing that. Could be a hack or any number of things.

And suicide calls. I don't understand in what level company would need to react to them. Only thing you can do really is to report them, if you are taking them personally you will just go insane.
And not just casinos get them, if you are big enough you will get all sorts of crazy calls and letters.
Even the cryptocobain  (https://beincrypto.com/trader-commits-suicide-after-begging-influencer-for-help/)got his share of this.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: death69 on March 05, 2023, 06:42:38 PM
The questin of whether to trust those on-line gamblin' joints has been plaguin' me for days, man. It's like a puzzle that no one can solve, ya dig?On one side, you got these provably fair systems that are supposed to be legit, but on the other hand, it's hard to shake the feelin' that somethin's fishy, ya know what I'm sayin'? It's like, are they really on the up-and-up? But ya know what, fam? At the end of the day, life is full of risks, and gamblin' is no different. Ya can try to research and be all cautious, but you'll never have complete certainty. So just let it ride, and see where the dice fall. Ain't no need to stress over it


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Baofeng on March 05, 2023, 11:54:12 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M

It's gambling per se, you everything is base on luck, and of course there is what we call the house edge - a inbuilt mechanism in casinos that will give them favor, specially in you play long hours and it's going to be very difficult to beat than, unless you are "Lucky".

For provably fair system, you will have to check every casino on how they get the result in let's say a roll of a dice to see if it is really random or not. And if you know you are going to lose, then why gambling in the beginning? My point is that you have to understand how casino operates before you put your first bet and if you lose then maybe it's not your lucky day, or you may want to check how provably fair that casino is, or at least their games.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on March 06, 2023, 01:40:30 AM
  -    Gambling sometimes makes us wonder, despite everything that we know it won't bring us anything good as a gambler in the end except if we win of course we are happy, but we continue to gamble.

Perhaps because of the pleasure we experienced in winning here or we felt envious of other gamblers because we heard that they won a large amount so we also tried thinking that we would also get the luck that others achieved but in the end, we didn't.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Shinpako09 on March 06, 2023, 01:44:44 AM
No, they don't. That's how gambling works ever since, be it online or not. Those who think they have been scammed are players who don't fully understand how gambling works, about risk, chances, etc. Players who can not accept their losses will always think like that. Before an individual gonna try gambling, he should put in his mind that he will lose more than you win.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: piebeyb on March 06, 2023, 02:32:04 AM
casinos are looking for money not to give money, there are ways that can make gamblers rich, that is, to become a dealer, then you will be rich by yourself, not gambling, because basically it is difficult to become a rich person with the results of gambling, even though there will not be many, only a handful of people, if there are many rich people because of gambling of course the casino will go bankrupt, so actually it all comes back to the goals of each gambler in playing, to be honest I don't feel cheated because I just play for fun, I also don't think what's written in this thread is wrong, everyone returned to their respective mindsets to respond to the video.  ;)


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 06, 2023, 03:06:52 AM
If you find such evidence and have doubts about a proven fair system, you should not gamble because maybe that's what happened. But I don't think the casino will try to make us lose because I'm sure some of us make big money from gambling because of luck.

So that's how the gambling business is. Some lose and some win. It's always like that. Playing gambling is entertainment regardless of the results and risks, so if the casino really intends to prevent you from winning, you don't need to think about it because you are only using gambling as entertainment, nothing more. And you also do not chase victory but just have fun spending time limiting the amount of your money.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: kotajikikox on March 06, 2023, 04:13:09 AM
If you find such evidence and have doubts about a proven fair system, you should not gamble because maybe that's what happened. But I don't think the casino will try to make us lose because I'm sure some of us make big money from gambling because of luck.
actually just play in legit casino houses and you are trouble free, this is what the problem i find in most gamblers now as they continuously looking for new casino sites and then? after being scammed then blaming the system from their laziness .
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So that's how the gambling business is. Some lose and some win. It's always like that. Playing gambling is entertainment regardless of the results and risks, so if the casino really intends to prevent you from winning, you don't need to think about it because you are only using gambling as entertainment, nothing more. And you also do not chase victory but just have fun spending time limiting the amount of your money.
gambling business mostly win mate, it is not the player that take all the advantage but the site of course.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: coin-investor on March 06, 2023, 04:23:22 AM
This is an open secret many casinos operate that way based on the confession of the informer some of what he exposed are true and some are subject to speculation, gamblers need to understand that casinos are entertainment portal it has been that way since the inception of the internet, physical casinos will do everything to make you stay, play longer because this is their house edge, if you play long you are bound to lose.
It's the same with online casinos, they promote themselves as entertainment portals, not investment platforms so you have a low chance of winning but if you do the right things you have a high chance of enjoying playing. 


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on March 06, 2023, 04:26:42 AM
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
Don't you think gambling industry is here to do business? If your chances and their chances are the same then they will gamble like you and when they will gamble they will have chance to lose money in fact they will. I don't trust slot games and anything that is software generated. No matter how transparent they shows, there will be manipulation and with a piece of software you and me will have no clue.

The safest practice for gambling is big leagues. In sports betting at least you know that the chances for the gambling industry to manipulate you is lower than the slot games. There are match fixing but that part is another discussion.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on March 06, 2023, 04:38:42 AM
The point here is that they don't need to scam us to make money - far from it. I'm not saying that in some cases a casino might try to do it, but all a casino needs to do is to get customers and then be careful with their banrkoll management so that no whale will make them go bankrupt. That's all it takes for them to make a lot of money. RTP is what makes them money and for that they don't need to scam anyone.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Daltonik on March 06, 2023, 04:51:46 AM
I think that the video is very instructive, but it reveals the management of online casino X, according to the ranking of players, but it does not say a word that there is a way to manipulate fair provability. Online casinos, like any business, are designed to make a profit and naturally there will be stories like the one that is told in the video, in any business there are companies that do not work honestly and deceive customers, but use more ways to check gambling establishments in which you are going to bet, it's one thing to lose, but it's doubly insulting to lose not only the deposit but also the winnings.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on March 06, 2023, 08:09:54 AM
The same way we as gamblers are playing to win, so also are casinos in the business to win too, it's a football match between to team, both of the team are playing against each other to come out as the winner in the end of the game, but unfortunately, only one team can be announced as winner..

So also it so with we as gamblers and the casino we gamble on, casinos are offering us a platform to gamble on, so they can make profit, and gamblers who gamble against the casino stand a 50 50 chance of either winning or losing, but since the casino is one which the higher edge, their chance of winning over their users is higher, and this is why we discover that some gamblers always would lose more than the win, but then, they still keep gambling and hoping that luck smiles on them some day.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Fortune.st on March 06, 2023, 08:44:17 AM
Your win or loss depends on how fortunate you are in any game at any given time. You could lose today and ended up winning big tomorrow. In the game of Casino, you win some and lose some. Some win extremely big while others don't. I don't think any casino is out there intentionally scamming you. No. It is your chances that is playing out in real time. If you are lucky enough to hit the right number, you smile to the bank.



Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: BobK71 on March 06, 2023, 09:07:18 AM
It's really hard to win at any casino we go to gamble. Oftentimes, whether it's online or land-based casinos, the house edge lets a novice gambler who enters their casino platform win first.

    Until the house edge sees that the gambler is entertained and they see that he enjoys winning all the time until it becomes a habit of their gamblers. There are still winners but of course, there are still more losers.
Attracting novice gamblers may be a strategy of some gambling company. If a gambler enjoys winning, he will be willing to spend more time and money. However, this does not apply to all casinos. Moreover doing this kind of work will be known as scam. Because if the house can determine the victory and defeat then the house will gain. Such behavior towards gamblers is not possible in big and established casino platforms.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: robelneo on March 06, 2023, 12:10:06 PM
Although we can speculate that some of the masked guy's video words are true, we need to clearly verify all of this, we don't know if the guy is really a supervisor in one online casino, but some of the things that he expose are true and this is the house always win because they have the edge but that they are analyzing our bets and tracing who is winning and marked these gamblers are problem gamblers for the house is something speculative, could be true or not.
If you look at casinos as something to make money you will be frustrated by what the guy just exposed but if you're playing for fun you can just ignore it and just play for fun, if casinos are stealing their money outright then no one will win and all those data they presented on their winners are false, it's just the house edge that you find it hard to beat.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Wexnident on March 06, 2023, 01:10:55 PM
In the end, it's all speculation though. Said "truth" may be true in their cases, but we can't exactly say in some other cases. At this point, I rarely play in casinos but I just enjoy what I get and feel at that moment. Plus, I wouldn't say that their analysis "makes" you lose, though they do indeed do analysis, they instead create scenarios where you're forced to deposit more to redeem some of their bonuses, or even lock it behind certain rules so that you're forced to play. Plus some marketing stuff. Sounds simple on paper but it probably has a bunch of data analysis behind it.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: YOSHIE on March 06, 2023, 01:53:45 PM
what are your thoughts,
How many threads of members have warned gambling addicts here about losses and fraud, maybe countless more, YouTube, telegram, Whatsapp, Twitter, facebook, are hotbeds for fraud, various modes of tricks, analysis, predictions, gambling betting methods, facts, none of them are guided by social media like YouTube rich and successful in betting, all nonsense.

Many of them are ambitious in placing bets based on the YouTube channel, this is not a new mode, for that in the future try placing bets with your own instincts and beliefs, without connecting here and there, try to think in common sense, if what they say is true, I'm sure they will do it themselves to bet, YouTube has lots of DEMO wins hanging around, be careful.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: swogerino on March 06, 2023, 02:06:37 PM
I don't think a big casino has any interest in scamming anyone of us.Let's suppose that they do though,what is their gaining,it will not last long until they are found out that they are cheating at their players and this is enough when it is proven by trusted source for them to lose a lot of their user base and that would translate into big lost amount of money for them,as such I doubt they need to scam anyone of us.

They make money from the house edge which in the long run guarantees profit for them and the more users they manage to get,thanks to their bonuses,promotions and spreading of the word the better it becomes for them and as such I don't believe that bigger casinos have any advantage in trying to cheat us.May be the newcomers who want to make a quick buck but that is easy to avoid,keep playing in the well established ones as rarely new casinos offer you better terms than the bigger ones.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: abel1337 on March 06, 2023, 02:11:00 PM
This is why I only play on my trusted and reputable casinos and don't jump over to new casino that easily. Casino are still a business and for sure they know that it is a lucrative business where they can earn loads of money from their customers. They won't do attractive promotion and bonuses if they are losing on their business. But failing to commit on what they have declared about their fairness is considered straight cheating. One way to avoid those is to just play on your trusty casino where you won't get any problem, Where you just need to enjoy and play.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: RILWAN on March 06, 2023, 02:16:46 PM
I won't say they're scamming you in anyways since you read the terms and conditions and understand what you are signing up for, gambling is a business a d the system is designed in a way that gives the house the edge over the player and if you want ro know the probably fairness system you should play on blockchian base casino and reques for the game and to recheck how the game goes.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: len01 on March 06, 2023, 03:30:37 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M
therefore we should be responsible gamblers with our bets.
I mean we should gamble or bet using money that we really can afford to lose.
because any casino gambling is a very profitable business for gambling owners and gamblers will always lose, unless they are lucky.

gambling is a place to have fun in a luxurious way that sacrifices our money for our pleasure when betting.
gambling does not deceive us, but we are the ones who should be responsible for the risks we will get from gambling, especially losing.
but I am talking about popular gambling that has a good reputation, not gambling that has a plan to scamm.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Hispo on March 06, 2023, 07:15:14 PM
I just watched the video and I must say that even though those things he is saying are serious business, most of them are applied by other kind of companies that do not have anything to do with gambling and also have a tier system. It comes to mind corporations that offer software as service or even exchanges.

In the end, gambling is a business and we need to be aware of it. Casinos (specially those with big resorts and hotels) do not build their empires by turning people into millionaires. If someone wants to realistically earn money with a reasonable risk amount, then they should not go to a casino but hire a financial advisor in my opinion.

I personally believe in the probably fairness of the games in the industry, if we can effectively verify our plays beyond any reasonable doubt.
The money laundering also is not convenient for casinos, specially online ones, since it only hurts their position in the industry against competitors.



Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Wiwo on March 06, 2023, 07:25:56 PM
The point here is that they don't need to scam us to make money - far from it. I'm not saying that in some cases a casino might try to do it, but all a casino needs to do is to get customers and then be careful with their bankroll management so that no whale will make them go bankrupt. That's all it takes for them to make a lot of money. RTP is what makes them money and for that, they don't need to scam anyone.
You made a point here and that is why some reputable casinos remain in business even when others are failing, and on a contrary opinion to ops that point to a one-sided fact and compressing it to our face to believe that casinos are outright scams.

-Casinos are out to make profits and they have systems that they run their platform with but the contract with the player is spelt out in the T&C of the casino which a player is mandated to read and agree to before playing on the casinos.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Alisha-k on March 06, 2023, 07:41:13 PM
Perhaps the supervisor was speaking based on his own casino and not the entirety of them, you should have substantial proof before trying to talk down any business or organization, every business has it T&C's, read them and if you're at peace further ahead to trade, if not, check elsewhere, it's that simple


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: CryptSafe on March 06, 2023, 07:50:23 PM
The point here is that they don't need to scam us to make money - far from it. I'm not saying that in some cases a casino might try to do it, but all a casino needs to do is to get customers and then be careful with their bankroll management so that no whale will make them go bankrupt. That's all it takes for them to make a lot of money. RTP is what makes them money and for that, they don't need to scam anyone.
You made a point here and that is why some reputable casinos remain in business even when others are failing, and on a contrary opinion to ops that point to a one-sided fact and compressing it to our face to believe that casinos are outright scams.
-Casinos are out to make profits and they have systems that they run their platform with but the contract with the player is spelt out in the T&C of the casino which a player is mandated to read and agree to before playing on the casinos.
For sure casinos are definitely out to make more money but I think they are sometimes compelled to do otherwise when it seems that they are running short of funds which they would want to do at all cost to keep in track and forging ahead in the industry forgetting that karma would definitely bounce back at them. Lastly, in respect to the terms and conditions as stated by you, there is no doubt about that. Before a member get registered on board any casino, they must first sign up for their terms and conditions before playing any games on that casino which means they are agreeing to what ever the outcome of the terms and conditions they have signed up for may be, they are all up for it so therefore they would not go against or contrary to what they have signed for. I myself have come to realize that this is the aspect of registration where by casinos hold down members from taking some actions against them because of there are no terms and conditions for signing, I think some casinos would not see the light of the day.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Accardo on March 06, 2023, 08:04:40 PM
Not all casinos scam players, we need to be observant as gamblers, if a machine promises 98% payback, a player must watch closely to know if he receives 98% payback. Because sometimes the machine would pay 88% payback that's where the scam comes in and as a gambler you must not work with such casino again. It's you against the house, so don't come screaming to an enermy that you don't like the way he beats you. Find a way to keep winning the house or leave it and find another one. As for the video, though I didn't watch it, what makes you all Believe the supervisor? Is he trying to subbotage his business or what? However, only few people knows the right answer to how a the casino operates; pays users. And probably fair can be calculated to know if the casino is doing the right thing they is a way to check it on the gambling sites, for some I've reviewed myself.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: chaser15 on March 06, 2023, 08:10:39 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,

Since being fair is your top priority concern, then all you need to do is to only keep playing at those casinos that already established a good reputation in the gambling industry and no one else. Those reputable casinos will not ruin their name by doing cheats as reputation is a hard thing to establish.

Your issue is not that really hard to deal with since nowadays there are lots of reputable casinos around and you just have to explore and browse their respective ANN threads. I know you understand how browsing in the forum works and you should tell if you are in an ANN gambling thread that was having a good discussion or not.

If ever you found a casino that you think want to try, just ask directly at that thread and see what will be the responses for you.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: serjent05 on March 06, 2023, 08:48:15 PM
If you find such evidence and have doubts about a proven fair system, you should not gamble because maybe that's what happened. But I don't think the casino will try to make us lose because I'm sure some of us make big money from gambling because of luck.
actually just play in legit casino houses and you are trouble free, this is what the problem i find in most gamblers now as they continuously looking for new casino sites and then? after being scammed then blaming the system from their laziness .

Well, I agree that to be able to be sure that we are not scammed by casinos, we should be playing on the reputable gambling platform.  But as other say, no one can please everybody, so no matter how true that the casino is implementing provably fair some people will still think that they are being cheated.

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So that's how the gambling business is. Some lose and some win. It's always like that. Playing gambling is entertainment regardless of the results and risks, so if the casino really intends to prevent you from winning, you don't need to think about it because you are only using gambling as entertainment, nothing more. And you also do not chase victory but just have fun spending time limiting the amount of your money.
gambling business mostly win mate, it is not the player that take all the advantage but the site of course.

There is this house edge that will make the casino eventually win in the long run.  Whether we win against the casino or not depends on how we stop playing when we are winning.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Stable090 on March 06, 2023, 09:03:51 PM
Gambling sites are doing there business, they will do what will also favor them, if they are trying to favor there customers always how will they be able to make profit also, don’t think gambling sites are supporting you, they also want you to lose so that they can make money. But just try and use a reputable gambling site whenever you want to gamble, so that you won’t be cheated.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: harizen on March 06, 2023, 09:04:10 PM

You have to get out of that state where you think most gambling sites are sh*t.

If you are really serious about exploring everything about gambling, especially choosing a gambling site, you should realize later on that there are lots of sites where you can put your trust.

For a start, always head to the discussion community of that gambling site, if there is one, and just try to lurk there until you can now assume that the said gambling site is worth putting your trust in. Gambling sites especially popular and active in marketing will always do their best to satisfy their customers while attracting new users to their sites.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: BenCodie on March 06, 2023, 09:10:36 PM
I've seen and still see many casinos here operating with no provably fair statement or very laughable provably statements. A statement is not enough either...Certifying the RNG (random number generation) is one step, but having tools (both internal and external) that will allow users to verify their bets is important too. To answer whether you are being scammed or not, this is something no one will ever know for sure. If that makes you uncomfortable, don't play!


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: crzy on March 06, 2023, 09:13:07 PM
That’s how business works, they will not allow every gambler to win that much or else they will lose the business. Its a system generated game so what can you expect? The house will always win and this is the proof. They are not scamming us but again, this is a business for them and they have to stick on that. Even if they claim to be probably fair, there are still chances for them to have this on their system and for sure even the top site have this as well. If you think gambling is scamming you, you can just stop playing right away.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: uneng on March 06, 2023, 09:19:11 PM
If OP has something against any casino in particular he should present the faced issue besides proof to confirm what he is telling is legit through a fresh thread created at Scam Accusations section on this forum. To talk about scams in a general aspect won't be effective in anyways. Problems must be addressed technically, formaly and particularly to bring further conclusions at the gambler's favor or at the casino's favor, depending the final outcomes of the process.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: khaled0111 on March 06, 2023, 10:06:08 PM
Why is he hiding his face and changing his voice as if he was going to reveal a dangerous secret!?
He didn't say anything that most gamblers don't already know.
We all know that casinos are for-profit companies and not some charity organizations. Their games are designed to make you lose on the long run.

When it comes to provably fair games, you don't have to trust the casino as you can verify the results by yourself. Just make sure the pf algorithm they use is not flaw.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: samcrypto on March 06, 2023, 10:15:38 PM
There is no doubt about this, casinos will always have their way to earn more money from the gamblers and this one is a normal accusation especially if you came from the same industry but of course its not easy to prove this one and the public will not easily listen to this. If you can tell a site specifically doing this, then probably you might get a lot of attention here. Probably fair has been the issue since then, wondering if many gamblers still concern with this one.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Desmong on March 06, 2023, 10:42:24 PM
I can see that op sound very serious but how.many gamblers would believe all these op is writing. We are betting to make me oney from gambling and if we are making profits from what we bet on then no one will believe what op had written so far unless for those gamblers that had been having bad day having profits from there bets.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: ultrloa on March 06, 2023, 10:45:07 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M

If you just play on reputable casino you understand things that all is fair with them. Although its really hard to defeat the house since the main enemy of the gambler is their emotion and sometimes people do crazy decisions then lose that's why some other think that they been deceived but in reality all comes with our decision making while playing the game.

If you play on not reputable casino maybe we can say that since somehow their reputation and fairness is questionable.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: dothebeats on March 06, 2023, 10:49:51 PM
Better stick to trusted casinos and platforms nowadays. They have extensive documentation on how they came up with their own provably-fair algorithm and a lot of third-party auditors have already extensively reviewed this too. I personally just play a few games on new sites, get some money (or not) on these platforms and collect some bonuses, and forget about it. I stick to platforms that have been around for a long time and even though there are bad beats and a lot of losing streak, I don't suspect that they are doing something behind the scenes to make me lose that long.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Ebede on March 06, 2023, 10:50:12 PM
I can see that op sound very serious but how.many gamblers would believe all these op is writing. We are betting to make me oney from gambling and if we are making profits from what we bet on then no one will believe what op had written so far unless for those gamblers that had been having bad day having profits from there bets.
Actually many people have different understanding and different knowledge in gambling because in gambling many things is being involved and there is every possibility I you can lose everything you have and also gain from what you invested on, so at this point I will say that the writer or the original author of this post is having challenges or problems so we have to give it a listening ear beforeb another person fully experience such challenges again


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: suzanne5223 on March 06, 2023, 10:59:05 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system
Either you do not know how the provably fair crypto gambling site works or you don't know how to verify the game code to be sure about the fairness of the game because there's nothing shady there if the casino claim to be provably fair can also check it from your end.

that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do
One of the tips for making good gambling is to always play at the casino you trust, if you don't trust the casino don't play there.

i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
There are a lot of misinformation videos on Youtube if the Youtuber is not a reputable person don't totally trust what his video says but if you by any chance believe him then I will advise you not to use the casino and choose one of the most trusted one if we on this forum.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Desmong on March 06, 2023, 11:21:31 PM
I can see that op sound very serious but how.many gamblers would believe all these op is writing. We are betting to make me oney from gambling and if we are making profits from what we bet on then no one will believe what op had written so far unless for those gamblers that had been having bad day having profits from there bets.
Actually many people have different understanding and different knowledge in gambling because in gambling many things is being involved and there is every possibility I you can lose everything you have and also gain from what you invested on, so at this point I will say that the writer or the original author of this post is having challenges or problems so we have to give it a listening ear beforeb another person fully experience such challenges again
losing and gaining work in two different ways, you can be betting and making profits while some gamblers can be betting and making consistent loses. If we are lucky enough, we will not be having consistent loses like other gamblers could be having without them knowing about the cause of there problem.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Ebede on March 06, 2023, 11:26:16 PM
I can see that op sound very serious but how.many gamblers would believe all these op is writing. We are betting to make me oney from gambling and if we are making profits from what we bet on then no one will believe what op had written so far unless for those gamblers that had been having bad day having profits from there bets.
Actually many people have different understanding and different knowledge in gambling because in gambling many things is being involved and there is every possibility I you can lose everything you have and also gain from what you invested on, so at this point I will say that the writer or the original author of this post is having challenges or problems so we have to give it a listening ear beforeb another person fully experience such challenges again
losing and gaining work in two different ways, you can be betting and making profits while some gamblers can be betting and making consistent loses. If we are lucky enough, we will not be having consistent loses like other gamblers could be having without them knowing about the cause of there problem.
Gambling is not a skill whereby you can easily detect or identify when you are going to be at the negative part, so i believe that you have to know what you are doing in gambling, but it's difficult to know when or the cause of you losing in gambling, gambling is trading where you can easily identify what makes you lose


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: lienfaye on March 07, 2023, 02:16:13 AM
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me
There are reputable review sites where you can get idea on the player's experience for the particular casino, because they're using real money to make a review and not paid to do it. This way you can find a legit casino and not a scam one that takes advantage their players by doing like what the video you watched exposed.

But casino is a business and designed to profit when there's a gambler playing and had a loss. Moreover, it's not really easy to win since most games are solely depending on luck. That's why you need to play in moderation in order to limit yourself from spending money that you can't live without.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Reatim on March 07, 2023, 02:19:56 AM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,

scams are not just happening in gambling site mate but in all part of the world and all the area of profiteering in this means you need to dig deeper before dealing ,

 though it is more abusing happening in Online gambling as we can see how much money had been scammed from day 1.
even those site that has advertising here shows that they are scammers in bright morning.

many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me
There are reputable review sites where you can get idea on the player's experience for the particular casino, because they're using real money to make a review and not paid to do it. This way you can find a legit casino and not a scam one that takes advantage their players by doing like what the video you watched exposed.

But casino is a business and designed to profit when there's a gambler playing and had a loss. Moreover, it's not really easy to win since most games are solely depending on luck. That's why you need to play in moderation in order to limit yourself from spending money that you can't live without.
this forum is enough to dig the site not unless it is a new site that has not advertised here .


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: traderethereum on March 07, 2023, 05:50:21 AM
I play at a reputable casino and have no doubts that it has a provably fair system so I don't get mixed up if the casino will cheat.
If you play gambling in a casino that you don't know or are not well known for, they may cheat the users to collect more profits.
The only way you can do this is to avoid less well-known casinos that you don't know and only play at reputable ones so that your mind doesn't think that the casinos will cheat.
So far, I don't doubt the casino because if we lose playing, it's because we're out of luck and on another day, we can get win.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: _act_ on March 07, 2023, 07:13:07 AM
scams are not just happening in gambling site mate but in all part of the world and all the area of profiteering in this means you need to dig deeper before dealing ,

 though it is more abusing happening in Online gambling as we can see how much money had been scammed from day 1.
even those site that has advertising here shows that they are scammers in bright morning.
What is a scam? If you know about a company and how they make their money is known to the public, it is not a scam. People and the government that are collecting tax from the people and the casino sites know that gambling sites are ever growing and making more money, while if gambler is not careful, he will continue to lose. That is clear enough to know that gambling sites that are known and reputable are not scammers.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: bettercrypto on March 07, 2023, 08:51:37 AM
Why is he hiding his face and changing his voice as if he was going to reveal a dangerous secret!?
He didn't say anything that most gamblers don't already know.
We all know that casinos are for-profit companies and not some charity organizations. Their games are designed to make you lose on the long run.

When it comes to provably fair games, you don't have to trust the casino as you can verify the results by yourself. Just make sure the pf algorithm they use is not flaw.

Those who make such content are only aiming for views. They will create sensitive content and then they are also afraid that what they did might come back to them.

      If you look at these content creators, they are doing their own damn thing. Of course, the casino is made to make heaps of money, and for that to happen they must get gamblers to put a lot of money into their gambling platform, that's just how simple it is to think.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Plaguedeath on March 07, 2023, 09:01:24 AM
Correct, online casino is scam because you haven't making any money through gambling isn't? of course when you've make a lot money and successfully to withdraw all of the winnings, you wouldn't think online casino is scam, right?

If you have such mindset and doesn't trust about provably fair system, you will always say online casino is scam. Anyway what if you go to the offline slot machine and then ask the operator how to verify your bet? also how we can know if the slot is reputable.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: death69 on March 07, 2023, 09:07:05 AM
scams are not just happening in gambling site mate but in all part of the world and all the area of profiteering in this means you need to dig deeper before dealing ,

 though it is more abusing happening in Online gambling as we can see how much money had been scammed from day 1.
even those site that has advertising here shows that they are scammers in bright morning.
What is a scam? If you know about a company and how they make their money is known to the public, it is not a scam. People and the government that are collecting tax from the people and the casino sites know that gambling sites are ever growing and making more money, while if gambler is not careful, he will continue to lose. That is clear enough to know that gambling sites that are known and reputable are not scammers.
Yo yo yo, my homie! I feel ya on that eternal struggle of the gambler, but don't worry, I gotchu covered. It ain't easy to find a dope casino that won't straight up rob you, but that's why you gotta do your research. But hold up, let me ask you this, what's really driving you? Are ya chasin that high from the thrill of the game, or are you trying to stack up them chips and ball out? Or maybe it's somethin else entirely? Take a step back and really think about what's important to you, cause sometimes the journey is way more lit than the destination.



Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: noormcs5 on March 07, 2023, 09:14:35 AM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M

First of all, you need to realize that not all the casinos are same and not everyone in this business comes to scam the gamblers. Yes, there may be many casinos that may not be provably fair and we cannot do anything about them except maybe not play at those sites.
I still believe that the most popular casino are provably fair and they never cheat their players. No business can survive for long if the intentions are bad from the owners.

If you feel that you are being cheated by the casino, have you tried changing the caisno and see the results? If you are still losing more than usual than i would say that it is your bad luck and the casino have little to do with it.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: BobK71 on March 07, 2023, 11:10:46 AM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
If you had chosen the gambling platform by doing your own research and not depending on someone else's word, you would not have faced such a situation. Gambling is widely discussed in this forum. A variety of new and old, reputable casinos are listed here and most of them have ANN threads where you can learn about their pros and cons. I think reviews from people who gamble there are most appropriate. What the majority of them would suggest is perfect. Common people who are bloggers or YouTubers highlight the advantages of gambling sites by money. But for gamblers and those who manage gambling regularly, Their review will be worthy for choosing any legit site.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 07, 2023, 12:46:55 PM
Correct, online casino is scam because you haven't making any money through gambling isn't? of course when you've make a lot money and successfully to withdraw all of the winnings, you wouldn't think online casino is scam, right?

If you have such mindset and doesn't trust about provably fair system, you will always say online casino is scam. Anyway what if you go to the offline slot machine and then ask the operator how to verify your bet? also how we can know if the slot is reputable.
But we know that some online casinos turn out to be scams and they have got many victims of scams that they do. So if he is frustrated by the deception, he should not gamble anymore because, after all, he will surely continue to think that way and will no longer be able to enjoy gambling as entertainment.

That must be done by people who often lose at gambling and cannot accept that gambling can give them more money to lose if they don't stop immediately. In addition, if he really plays in a casino that has been proven to deceive many people, he only deposits his money without being able to withdraw his winnings if he wins. He would regret it even more later and before that happened, he'd better leave and not return to any of the casinos.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: livingfree on March 07, 2023, 01:00:13 PM
A gambler is free to choose where he's going to gamble. If he thinks that it's no longer good for him to stay there any longer then you're free to flee from them.

Telling that they're scamming their users, gather some more proof that they do really scam you. It's like a service being offered to anyone in return for paying the fun and chance of getting back more money.

Thus, about the provably fair, you can verify seeds depending on the casino where you gamble.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: KarenOutWest on March 07, 2023, 01:01:10 PM
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Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Ronsbit on March 07, 2023, 01:10:50 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
If you had chosen the gambling platform by doing your own research and not depending on someone else's word, you would not have faced such a situation. Gambling is widely discussed in this forum. A variety of new and old, reputable casinos are listed here and most of them have ANN threads where you can learn about their pros and cons. I think reviews from people who gamble there are most appropriate. What the majority of them would suggest is perfect. Common people who are bloggers or YouTubers highlight the advantages of gambling sites by money. But for gamblers and those who manage gambling regularly, Their review will be worthy for choosing any legit site.

OP made a point but i was expecting OP to have given us the link to the video as claimed by OP for members to peruse. If we are to go by what OP is saying, it is some how  reasonable but we should not forget that casinos are also business ventures with structure of salary payment ans tax payment too. So therefore OP should not think that the casino would seat and watch while they make loss. They too would want to make profit as every other persons and businesses plans too. Nevertheless, it is also advised to do your own research as you have earlier stated so as to not enter into the wrong business but some people do not hid to that advise they just jump into  dealing with them because of the bonus give away they saw forgetting that most of the give away are just nothing but traps.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: TheGreatPython on March 07, 2023, 01:52:34 PM
Your win or loss depends on how fortunate you are in any game at any given time. You could lose today and ended up winning big tomorrow. In the game of Casino, you win some and lose some. Some win extremely big while others don't. I don't think any casino is out there intentionally scamming you. No. It is your chances that is playing out in real time. If you are lucky enough to hit the right number, you smile to the bank.
Though it's true that winning or losing in gambling depends on one's luck, and that a casino doesn't necessarily stop you from winning, but, casinos have a house edge which makes the house have more probability of winning over the gambler, and that's how the gambling business model works. So if someone questions that, I don't think they will be right.

About scams, I don't also believe that guy in the video that casinos actually make certain users lose based on analysis and statistics. Of course it's their marketing strategy to keep the big rollers engaged but it is only the house-edge that makes them lose in the long run.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Yatsan on March 07, 2023, 02:10:28 PM
Depends on the gambling site you are engaging yourself with. But the truth is, no one will know if the platform is already cheating their players not unless majority would experience continuous loss and players would be raising the concern. But for sure gambling sites won't allow such thing to escalate. They could cheat on a proportion of players but won't totally make it obvious. Best thing to do is to move towards other platform if you are just losing from time to time. Depends also on the game you are playing because in sportsbetting, outcomes are specific which makes it less risky for sites to cheat I guess, not unless it is a scam platform in the first place. Losing is a part of playing or gambling but if things do not occur as planned often, there could really be manipulations with result.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Solosanz on March 07, 2023, 02:14:46 PM
Just gamble on trusted and reputable casino to minimize the risk of scam.

When you want to gamble make sure you're only gamble for fun and not only looking to make money, otherwise you wouldn't feel happy during gambling. You need to know if you gambling for long term, you will always lose due to house edge, so you shouldn't expect you will make money if you keep gambling until you hit the jackpot.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Cling18 on March 07, 2023, 02:27:30 PM
Just gamble on trusted and reputable casino to minimize the risk of scam.

When you want to gamble make sure you're only gamble for fun and not only looking to make money, otherwise you wouldn't feel happy during gambling. You need to know if you gambling for long term, you will always lose due to house edge, so you shouldn't expect you will make money if you keep gambling until you hit the jackpot.

Casino is a business after all so they will do everything to make their business run continuously. We can expect issues like this in non reputable casinos that's why it is important to research the legitimacy and provably fairness of casinos before playing.
We can't conclude if casinos are cheating through their systems because they have complete access to them but I believe that as long as you are playing with a trusted site, you won't face cheating issues.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: aioc on March 07, 2023, 02:39:33 PM

i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M

Are you exposing something,  you need to come out with something solid, not just a masked guy who tells stories based on speculation and could possibly be a make-up story, he should expose his real identity and shows his evidence if someone is accusing then he should show proof, and if this is true it could be only on a casino that he is working on and not talking about in general about the whole online casino industry.
It's easy to get a lot of views on Youtube if you create a channel about exposing many subjects and it will attract if you talk about gambling.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: cafter on March 07, 2023, 02:44:19 PM
@cafter, we all know that there is house hedge but we love gambling, if you think gambling site are cheating you and you do not want that again, you can stop gambling, but almost all people that re gambing know this and they just want to have fun while some people only just want to try their luck with just little amount of money.

yes, I play gambling for fun
i just came accross this video, wanted to share this that it can happen or not ,
it can happen with small casinos who only came to make money not for making a brand


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: goldkingcoiner on March 07, 2023, 03:04:05 PM
That's why players stick to reviews or megathreads of casinos to see which ones are worthy over time. There are a few reputable reviewers here, like GOSU and GamblingBro that have reviewed casinos from time to time.

After all, gambling is all about luck and house edges hence it's a business for making money.

Yeah you say that and at the same time you trust reviews. I don't mean to sound negative but I would not trust any reviews that are not my own. Especially from review sites or some well known "review authorities". It does not really matter how the reputation of such reviewers looks like, they could at any time be taking bribes from the casinos they are supposed to be reviewing, only to give them a slightly higher review for no good reason.

I would say the best thing to do is to read through many reviews on a third party site like on a megathread on our Bitcointalk forum. And even then, I would take those reviews with a pinch of salt.



Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: serveria.com on March 07, 2023, 03:47:33 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M

I can't say this is something shocking or eye-opening. I guess many gamblers here know (or suspect) how a casino operates. They have no illusions regarding that. Yes, perhaps such videos can stop someone from starting to gamble, so they're not at all worthless.  8)


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: gunhell16 on March 07, 2023, 05:43:25 PM
That's why players stick to reviews or megathreads of casinos to see which ones are worthy over time. There are a few reputable reviewers here, like GOSU and GamblingBro that have reviewed casinos from time to time.

After all, gambling is all about luck and house edges hence it's a business for making money.

Yeah you say that and at the same time you trust reviews. I don't mean to sound negative but I would not trust any reviews that are not my own. Especially from review sites or some well known "review authorities". It does not really matter how the reputation of such reviewers looks like, they could at any time be taking bribes from the casinos they are supposed to be reviewing, only to give them a slightly higher review for no good reason.

I would say the best thing to do is to read through many reviews on a third party site like on a megathread on our Bitcointalk forum. And even then, I would take those reviews with a pinch of salt.



You said it right dude, and to this day there are still reviews that get paid just to say a good feedback review on a casino here on cryptocurrency.

But if you review with all honesty, even if you were paid, it's okay for the person who paid you to say something negative about gambling as long as it's true, I think it's okay.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Merit.s on March 07, 2023, 05:57:54 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
Casino do have a house hedge, and gamnot.rs can't beat the house hedge because they always win. They are out for business and if every gamblers wins almost all the time,I don't think that they casino will be able to pay the winners which would lead to their ruin. If most casino run at big lost and shut down,then how will we gamblers entertain ourselves. I see gambling as fun which I have to pay for and this doesn't bother me at all. Nobody will love to run a business that he or she will run at great lost. You see it is a scam but something that we are use to,therefore, I don't see it as scam because it is your choice to gamble or not.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: cydrix on March 07, 2023, 08:04:54 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M
Casinos operate with procedures intended to make it difficult for players to win, as long-time gamblers in the industry are probably aware of. These techniques help the casino to make the most money possible; it is unlikely that players will be able to constantly outperform them. Experienced gamblers are aware of this risk, so before engaging in any gambling activity, it is important to understand and accept it.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: pixie85 on March 07, 2023, 08:40:03 PM
yes, I play gambling for fun
i just came accross this video, wanted to share this that it can happen or not ,
it can happen with small casinos who only came to make money not for making a brand

All casinos want to make money. I'm sure there are ones that cheat but these are usually smaller, less popular ones.

If a casino has 100 people playing at any moment and each of them pays a fee the casino constantly makes money and what one player loses the other wins so the money is in constanc circulation and stays in balance. The casino operator doesn't have to cheat. He gets a steady flow of money 24 hours a day.

If they were cheating more and more people would have complaints over time. There would be open scam accusations and discussions in their forum threads. Out of those 100 people if only 1 per hour would notice that they're cheating and come to tell about it we'd have new threads coming up every day.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: uche6215 on March 07, 2023, 09:01:11 PM
Cheating is everywhere I know even in church people do cheat more in business, gambling that case, but come to think of it I don't think any casino 🎰 site will cheat their customers because they are looking for a way their site will grow and cheating will make customers run from them


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Agbe on March 07, 2023, 09:19:21 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M
I don't think there is any faithful casino company or site in the internet or online. Some are openly scamming gamblers while some are secretly scamming gamblers. Even the best casino you know online is not faithful to some extent. Your guest or doubt is correct, casinos use different languages to collect money from users or gambling but some are better off compares to others. Not all casinos are bad but the ones that bad are much more and they have spoiled the image of the good ones so it is very difficult to detect a good casino. The KYC is used by many to confused gamblers and siphoned gamblers filund to themselves.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: carlfebz2 on March 07, 2023, 09:41:13 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M
I don't think there is any faithful casino company or site in the internet or online. Some are openly scamming gamblers while some are secretly scamming gamblers. Even the best casino you know online is not faithful to some extent. Your guest or doubt is correct, casinos use different languages to collect money from users or gambling but some are better off compares to others. Not all casinos are bad but the ones that bad are much more and they have spoiled the image of the good ones so it is very difficult to detect a good casino. The KYC is used by many to confused gamblers and siphoned gamblers filund to themselves.
This is why its really that important that you should really be considering those funds that you had deposited on a gambling site is completely gone or you would be thinking that its considered 100% lost.

So that incase that there would be some problems then you wont really be that much in hurt because you are already anticipating it but somehow when you do win big then it just cant really be avoided
for you on not to be that reactive specially if we do speak about some significant amounts on here.This is why its always been that important that you should really know on where you do make yourself
getting involved.Its just common sense that you should really be sticking into those current reputable or known ones but just like been said that there would be no guarantee that they wont
really be scamming users.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Dunamisx on March 07, 2023, 09:49:49 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do

You can do many things if this thing you're saying happens to be true, why should you remain loyal to a casino scamming you, it's not by force choosing them, it's rather by choice, you can choose to stay or leave at any time, we have alot of casinos both new and old interested in making new gamblers have suitable experience with them.

that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose

This i may not agree, it's plain and fair, you gamble to win or loose, you can try betting at any settings aside from the common casino gambling, except if you already fall the hands of the scammed ones, i also don't believe in whatever i read online or watch because everyone at the end is after his own interest in everything they do.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: DoublerHunter on March 07, 2023, 09:59:41 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
Casino do have a house hedge, and gamnot.rs can't beat the house hedge because they always win. They are out for business and if every gamblers wins almost all the time,I don't think that they casino will be able to pay the winners which would lead to their ruin. If most casino run at big lost and shut down,then how will we gamblers entertain ourselves. I see gambling as fun which I have to pay for and this doesn't bother me at all. Nobody will love to run a business that he or she will run at great lost. You see it is a scam but something that we are use to,therefore, I don't see it as scam because it is your choice to gamble or not.
^ Definitely right.
The house edge of the casino is impossible for gamblers to consistently beat it.
And that is right, it matters that the casinos are businesses, and they need to make a profit to stay afloat. If they were constantly paying out large sums of money to every player who won, they would quickly go bankrupt. While it's not uncommon for some casinos to experience losses on a temporary basis, the vast majority of them are profitable in the long run. This is because the house edge ensures that they will win more often than not, which ultimately allows them to pay their bills and employees and stay in operation. While some may view gambling as a scam, others see it as a form of entertainment that they are willing to pay for. As long as players are aware of the risks and approach them responsibly, there is nothing inherently wrong with enjoying a game of chance now and then.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: khaled0111 on March 07, 2023, 09:59:44 PM
OP made a point but i was expecting OP to have given us the link to the video as claimed by OP for members to peruse.
OP already posted the link. Probably, you have missed it because it's unclickable. Anyway here it is:
https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M

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So therefore OP should not think that the casino would seat and watch while they make loss. They too would want to make profit as every other persons and businesses plans too.
Casinos' main aim, as any other business, is to make money. However, if a gambler wins big in a legit way, then casino's owner have to embrasse the loss and pay the winning. It's still a risky business even if the odds are, statistically, in the casinos favour.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Ryker1 on March 07, 2023, 10:08:43 PM
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So therefore OP should not think that the casino would seat and watch while they make loss. They too would want to make profit as every other persons and businesses plans too.
Casinos' main aim, as any other business, is to make money. However, if a gambler wins big in a legit way, then casino's owner have to embrasse the loss and pay the winning. It's still a risky business even if the odds are, statistically, in the casinos favour.
Of course, they made a profit on it, how they will survive if they won't? Besides, as we noticed, the number of gambling casinos has increased which means, it is a profitable business. Casinos are businesses that exist to make a profit --a legitimate casinos are also subject to strict regulations and oversight to ensure that they operate fairly and honestly. This means that if a player wins big in a legitimate way, the casino is obligated to pay out the winnings. But the odds may be in the casino's favor statistically, there is always a chance that a player may win big and cause the casino to take a loss. This is simply a part of the risk that the casino assumes as a business.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Daltonik on March 08, 2023, 05:51:17 AM
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So therefore OP should not think that the casino would seat and watch while they make loss. They too would want to make profit as every other persons and businesses plans too.
Casinos' main aim, as any other business, is to make money. However, if a gambler wins big in a legit way, then casino's owner have to embrasse the loss and pay the winning. It's still a risky business even if the odds are, statistically, in the casinos favour.
Of course, they made a profit on it, how they will survive if they won't? Besides, as we noticed, the number of gambling casinos has increased which means, it is a profitable business. Casinos are businesses that exist to make a profit --a legitimate casinos are also subject to strict regulations and oversight to ensure that they operate fairly and honestly. This means that if a player wins big in a legitimate way, the casino is obligated to pay out the winnings. But the odds may be in the casino's favor statistically, there is always a chance that a player may win big and cause the casino to take a loss. This is simply a part of the risk that the casino assumes as a business.

What is said on the video may be true, but then it is a reason for a trial in court, especially since, as a former employee of one of the largest gambling establishments says, without naming the company, otherwise it is just words casting a shadow on the entire industry.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Kakmakr on March 08, 2023, 05:59:14 AM
They are not scamming and actually the terms and condition will help you to understand how their business work. Gambling is a business. It’s normal that they will want profit from customers money by means of loss. They don’t need to do this shitty algorithms to scam players just to have a profit because they already have the house edge on all of the games which guarantee their win in the long run. They just need a good marketing and promotion to let player stay in the casino.

I watch this video long time ago. He might telling the truth about the casino he is working before but there’s no assurance that other casino is doing it too. Gambling doesn’t promise any profit at all that’s why casino always say to bet responsibly.

They actually do not need a "shitty algorithm" to cheat you, because they are in control of the configuration of the RTP for most of their in-house games. Just go to many of these Crypto casinos and you will find that they have a fixed house edge for these games, but we have tried to test those numbers and it is clear that it is not fixed.

They show you a piece of text that says "House edge = 1%" .....but they continuously change it slightly to balance their books. You also have third party Slots like Hacksaw games .... that offers casinos several different options for the RTP, so it is not a fixed house edge on those games.  ::)


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: QueenVera on March 08, 2023, 06:10:20 AM
Provably fair is fair mate and oke thing I finally accepted lately is the fact that gambling is a business and at such, is also profit oriented. I can't say for sure about any analysis but gambling is also a game of luck coupled with skills and with house edges then for sure it's a business of profit making.
Your link isn't active and you should try repasting the link as I'm also interested in eatch the video myself.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: TitanGEL on March 08, 2023, 10:21:43 AM
That's why players stick to reviews or megathreads of casinos to see which ones are worthy over time. There are a few reputable reviewers here, like GOSU and GamblingBro that have reviewed casinos from time to time.

After all, gambling is all about luck and house edges hence it's a business for making money.

Choosing a good gambling site is considered as a good move but still, it is not the key to make money in gambling. Gambling platform are earning because of what they called as a house edge, it is pretty normal because it is a way for them to make money in their industry. For me it is not considered as scam like what many people say because as a gambler you accepted the risk, rules and regulation of the game before you wager your money. If you want to win in gambling then play your money smartly, play with your edge and make sure that you will only wager the amount of money that you are willing to lose.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Unsoldier on March 08, 2023, 02:22:55 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
~~~

The casino does not promise to make its gamblers rich. It is simply impossible to make everyone rich. A gambling house is a business. The casino entertains you and you pay money for it. If you are lucky, you win a prize. But gamblers are rarely lucky. So don't count on luck. Earn money with your own work, not in the casino.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Tellek Garing on March 08, 2023, 02:31:15 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M
It is important to understand that gambling is a business, and like any business, its ultimate goal is to make a profit. This is why we see poor players and a very rich gambling and casino industry. The industry is designed to make money, and it does so by manipulating the odds in its favor.
But this does not mean that players cannot win. While the odds may be against us, there are still many skilled players who are able to consistently beat the system. These players understand the games they are playing, and they know how to use strategy and skill to their advantage.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Fullcoinese on March 08, 2023, 03:59:45 PM
It is important to understand that gambling is a business, and like any business, its ultimate goal is to make a profit. This is why we see poor players and a very rich gambling and casino industry. The industry is designed to make money, and it does so by manipulating the odds in its favor.
But this does not mean that players cannot win. While the odds may be against us, there are still many skilled players who are able to consistently beat the system. These players understand the games they are playing, and they know how to use strategy and skill to their advantage.
no matter how big the opportunities can be obtained from betting, still, the percentage of losing the gambler will be greater. You lose thousands of dollars and you are made to win by the bookies a thousand or two thousand dollars in one bet. that's the reality that happens in the casino.
but anyway, casino games are always fun. those who are already attached to gambling will find it difficult to get out. some even cannot control their desires related to finances. this business is fun but not necessarily profitable for gamblers. so the options are just to have fun or stress out about losing all the money.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Jody.Drummer on March 08, 2023, 04:15:13 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
~~~

The casino does not promise to make its gamblers rich. It is simply impossible to make everyone rich. A gambling house is a business. The casino entertains you and you pay money for it. If you are lucky, you win a prize. But gamblers are rarely lucky. So don't count on luck. Earn money with your own work, not in the casino.
It's true what you said that casinos don't promise to make you rich, so that goes back to our initial goal of playing gambling. Do we play gambling to make rich or just for fun. If we have the goal of getting rich by playing gambling, then I say we will experience the opposite. Because if you aim for that, it means that we bring ambition and emotion in playing, whereas in gambling games things like that are things that must be avoided because it will make us lose a lot of money.
I'm sure someone who feels cheated is someone who loses, it's different if you win.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: pawanjain on March 08, 2023, 04:50:14 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M

Owning a gambling casino is a profitable business which is why many people are trying to get into this business.
The house edge plays an important role in the gambling site's profits. It is what makes us lose our bets over the long term.
There are only few legit gambling sites whereas other sites just try to scam us in one way or other.
So we have to make sure we are using the right casino site before we make any deposits.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Crypt0Gore on March 08, 2023, 07:03:37 PM
The chances of losing when gambling is very high,  many people don't know this until they have lost a lot already, if casino owners make the winning chances higher for players, their business will go bankrupt very soon, for them, there is a lot to make when players lose. This is the reason why I gamble when I have good amount of money laying around somewhere, gambling is more than just winning, you can have some satisfying fun out of it, especially when you are into a particular type of games on the casino website.

Focus more on having fun than expecting to win some big money fast, winning on gambling websites comes when you least expected, this is why you need to gamble with money you can afford to lose.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: BVeyron on March 08, 2023, 07:06:06 PM
Casino and bets scamming is as old as the world, the only way to have protection is to know when to stop... Not only by means of gambling, but also by means of using the same platform...


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: South Park on March 08, 2023, 07:35:33 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
People can say whatever they want on those platforms with almost no repercussion for themselves even if they are lying, the probably fair system was created with the idea of demonstrating to the gamblers that the casino was not cheating them, and in my opinion this is a system that is relatively effective, could there be some casinos out there trying to cheat their customers? Yes, they exist, however an honest casino owner knows they do not need to cheat as the odds are already on their favor, they just need to attract more customers and that will be more than enough to make a lot of money.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Dickiy on March 08, 2023, 08:42:57 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M
I once talked to a live casino dealer and they said if you win it's because we won you not because you are good at tricks or anything like that, it's just a beautiful sentence you put out to your friends to seduce them.
The server controller has full control when you play gambling at their casino, if you happen to win the game you will definitely say that you are great and lucky but to be honest you have been loved by the casino controller.
That's what they specifically do but sometimes when you are given a win you are always greedy and want more.
You have to be aware of that my friend.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: jrrsparkles on March 08, 2023, 08:47:17 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M

When a casino claims they are provably fair and if they are reputed enough then we can trust their results are completely fair and you still can validate the results using provably fair validation tool so don't confuse with house edge and provably fair system and for your information the casino games are designed in a way to give high reward while lesser chance to achieve it.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Slow death on March 08, 2023, 08:55:48 PM
I do sports betting so there is no room for the casino to lie or manipulate anything when it comes to sports betting, I avoid casino games because they are games that depend on luck so I am not the lucky type of guy so I chose to just stay in the sports betting, as I don't play these casino games so I can't say for sure if casino x or y has been doing some sort of manipulation, I also don't know if people have been constantly checking whether casino x or y's games are provably fair, and I have not yet seen a site that is dedicated precisely to monitoring all casino games 24 hours a day to ensure that casino games are demonstrably fair

you, me and we all know that the license provider does little or nothing in relation to monitoring the casinos, so there is no authority that makes a constant check on the casinos, which every person needs to do always before starting to play in one and make the checking the game itself if it is a proven fair game or not, I think it is possible for people to be able to do this on their own, I hope I am not making any mistakes

Now about the video link, I confess I didn't click on it, for obvious reasons, you have the right to hear what these guys and so many other guys are talking about, but remember - these are their opinions, don't play based on that, check yourself whether or not the game is provably fair, this is the best path you should take.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Dunamisx on March 08, 2023, 09:36:40 PM
You need to carry your research about a casino before choosing them as your most preferred for gambling, you make deposit into their casino wallet and use your stake on varieties of bet all because you still trust them, then why must you know everything from their own end which does not have to concern you, once you start to doubt about a casino then it's better to give a pause and reset your choice by finding another which could be more preferred, but how long will you keep into this.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: d3nz on March 08, 2023, 10:28:50 PM
Casinos are here to make money; not to lose to their gamblers/customers. At the end of the day, they will be the winner and you, me or other gamblers will be the loser. It's pretty much simple than you are thinking as of. Well, play on casinos where you can verify your bets; if you are familiar with provably fair, so it shouldn't be an issue for you. If all of us keep winning, would this huge casino industry have existed? No. C'mon.

I highly agree, this is a business. So you are playing and putting the money at risk. It's like a game of life in which you really depend on luck and winning in casino games has really a low chance. Having a strategy and analyzing the game can sure give you a chance of winning but still, you are playing with luck.

And not all casino games are scammers and maybe they think the odds are always stacked against them, and that they'll always lose money which I think could add to their reasoning about the scam.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: qwertyup23 on March 08, 2023, 10:37:06 PM
That's why players stick to reviews or megathreads of casinos to see which ones are worthy over time. There are a few reputable reviewers here, like GOSU and GamblingBro that have reviewed casinos from time to time.

After all, gambling is all about luck and house edges hence it's a business for making money.

House edges were designed in order to at least give the online gambling company the "edge" when it comes to the bets. Given that gambling is a double-edged sword, this somehow guarantees that the odds are on their side in order to avoid them from going bankrupt. As well all know, these gambling companies are businesses- in which their primary focus is the earning of profits.

In order to counter this, some reputable companies explicitly mention the percentage of their house edge in order to keep the advantage on their side. Of course, the players are free to choose whether to continue or not but this is what keeps these online casinos alive and profitable.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Wakate on March 08, 2023, 10:39:50 PM
You need to carry your research about a casino before choosing them as your most preferred for gambling, you make deposit into their casino wallet and use your stake on varieties of bet all because you still trust them, then why must you know everything from their own end which does not have to concern you, once you start to doubt about a casino then it's better to give a pause and reset your choice by finding another which could be more preferred, but how long will you keep into this.
I think op is just giving an opinion here about what he felt about some of the many casinos that we are using and we might not be aware of what is going on and how they might to cheating. This is time for many of us to be prepared and asking questions about some of the bugs some insincere casinos are having.

I have seen some gamblers complaining about some sites they are using and they keep making losing with knowing the cause. This could be real that is why we need to make sure that we are using a reputable casinos that are well to do.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on March 08, 2023, 11:05:53 PM
What did you expect? a 100% sure win? Well, a casino is also a business or company owned and managed by someone who also expects to make profit from his business, so if there is not one loss, they cannot make their profit. That's why it's called gambling; winning is not guaranteed. Also, it is not really a good idea to just have an account with any random casinos out there; if individuals who are not aware of the Bitcointalk forum should fall victim to some scam casinos, I expect every member of this forum to look out for a reputable casino in this forum.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: stomachgrowls on March 08, 2023, 11:19:43 PM
What did you expect? a 100% sure win? Well, a casino is also a business or company owned and managed by someone who also expects to make profit from his business, so if there is not one loss, they cannot make their profit. That's why it's called gambling; winning is not guaranteed. Also, it is not really a good idea to just have an account with any random casinos out there; if individuals who are not aware of the Bitcointalk forum should fall victim to some scam casinos, I expect every member of this forum to look out for a reputable casino in this forum.
If you are really that impulsive on finding new casinos and testing it out then you are really that bound on getting scammed because not every new casino turns out to be that legit and this is really a casual thing
that do happens around.
Its true and i agree on what you have said that gambling isnt always talking about winning and of course those casino or platform owners are here on making a business and not a charity on letting their
users do win up but we know that on a fair way and as long there's a house edge then gamblers would be always at disadvantage.

This is why if you are really that been bothered about being scammed, then always stick out with those known and reputable platforms.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Heartilly on March 08, 2023, 11:58:53 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,

Not all gamblers do know how provably fair works that's why your best shot that you are playing in a good casino is to look at its reputation. You can bet that these reputable gambling sites will not cheat their users as to why they should do it in the first place. Getting many users to play on their site is a hard thing to do and they won't surely ruin their famous status just for that.

If you always doubt gambling sites due to those issues then maybe, it's time to leave gambling and focus on other things.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Nrcewker on March 09, 2023, 02:18:28 AM
If you are playing on a trusted site, then you don’t have to worry about its provably fair system. These sites have been operating for many years and have won the trust of many gamblers, so rather than getting the feeling of being cheated, you should test the fairness of the games on these sites. I am sure that, along with the seeds and fairness, they also have features on how to test that the site is fair. I cannot guarantee you the same about the new sites, but the old ones are always fair. And regarding the loss you are making, gambling means equal chances of getting losses and profits. So play accordingly.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Lida93 on March 09, 2023, 05:41:49 AM
For an experience gambler you don't need to be told for you to know that these gambling sites or casinos ain't structured to function in your best interest. Should they keep having in flows of winnings how then cam they survive in the business environment, am not sure!
It's left for you the gambler to DYOR and reviews about the probable fair system of any gambling sites or casino you wish to gamble with over the years or better still sticking with older gambling sites that have proven themselves over the years is much reliable to these new emerging ones.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: len01 on March 09, 2023, 06:05:54 AM
What did you expect? a 100% sure win? Well, a casino is also a business or company owned and managed by someone who also expects to make profit from his business, so if there is not one loss, they cannot make their profit. That's why it's called gambling; winning is not guaranteed. Also, it is not really a good idea to just have an account with any random casinos out there; if individuals who are not aware of the Bitcointalk forum should fall victim to some scam casinos, I expect every member of this forum to look out for a reputable casino in this forum.
I really like your statement and it is true that gambling is a company or business that wants profit from its customers and also not all gamblers always lose and also don't always win.
because for fair betting, some of the bets on this forum also provide gamblers with profits or wins, even if sometimes it's just a small win.
so actually between gambling sites that win and gamblers who lose it is something natural. because this is a gambling site, we already know that gambling is just luck.

so it's like the OP who experienced a loss at any online gambling site, that's a natural thing and there's no need to share about the defeat and accuse the site of being a fraud.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Haunebu on March 09, 2023, 06:11:22 AM
You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Why? Because not all gamblers are naive and gullible. Many of them including me check whether such systems are truly fair or not before deciding to invest in those sites.

Some of them turn out to be legit while some turn out to be unfair. Do your research!


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on March 09, 2023, 07:03:42 AM
What did you expect? a 100% sure win? Well, a casino is also a business or company owned and managed by someone who also expects to make profit from his business, so if there is not one loss, they cannot make their profit. That's why it's called gambling; winning is not guaranteed. Also, it is not really a good idea to just have an account with any random casinos out there; if individuals who are not aware of the Bitcointalk forum should fall victim to some scam casinos, I expect every member of this forum to look out for a reputable casino in this forum.

    -   If we are not careful, we will fall prey to the scammers here who enter this industry. So we are free to do research first before entering a gambling casino that we are going to put money into.

Then we will not see a casino where all gamblers who entered and gambled on their platform that all gamblers won, instead most players lose on a gambling platform and this is the truth because it is simply a business field.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: KiaKia on March 09, 2023, 11:31:31 AM
If you gamble only what you can afford to lose in every game, you will have less to worry about when you start winning big. Making money through gambling may seem impossible at first, but if you risk only what you can afford to lose, you will have less to worry about.

To avoid scammers, make sure you practice your gambling skills on a reputable gambling website, I know some scammers have come up with attractive new gambling websites, and they have it in mind to never run the platform for too long, the only way to avoid them is using reliable gambling websites only.

Also, try to understand that you can't always win, it's a big loss for casino runners if all players keep winning.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Porfirii on March 09, 2023, 11:35:24 AM
You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Why? Because not all gamblers are naive and gullible. Many of them including me check whether such systems are truly fair or not before deciding to invest in those sites.

Some of them turn out to be legit while some turn out to be unfair. Do your research!

The video doesn't cheat, as it is true that some casinos manipulate every single bet, but it is made to give the impression that this is something common for all betting platforms, so it is normal that the OP thinks that way.

On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.

Moral: every single casino out there is designed to win money no matter the good or bad luck of their clients, but some of them more than others. In any case, play responsibly.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on March 09, 2023, 11:54:17 AM
You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Why? Because not all gamblers are naive and gullible. Many of them including me check whether such systems are truly fair or not before deciding to invest in those sites.

Some of them turn out to be legit while some turn out to be unfair. Do your research!

The video doesn't cheat, as it is true that some casinos manipulate every single bet, but it is made to give the impression that this is something common for all betting platforms, so it is normal that the OP thinks that way.

On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.

Moral: every single casino out there is designed to win money no matter the good or bad luck of their clients, but some of them more than others. In any case, play responsibly.
Well, for me personally, I've never really cared to know if a casino is probably fair or not, possibly because I don't know how to check this as well.
Knowing that casinos are designed to win in the long run, makes me put fun first when ever I decide to play some gambling games, this helps me not to count the losses as anything since i know beforehand that the losses are natural.

When winning money becomes paramount in my head, I go for betting instead, since I know that betting depends more on how good you know the team you are betting on, likewise a very small amount of luck.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Daltonik on March 09, 2023, 12:45:30 PM
You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Why? Because not all gamblers are naive and gullible. Many of them including me check whether such systems are truly fair or not before deciding to invest in those sites.

Some of them turn out to be legit while some turn out to be unfair. Do your research!

The video doesn't cheat, as it is true that some casinos manipulate every single bet, but it is made to give the impression that this is something common for all betting platforms, so it is normal that the OP thinks that way.

On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.

Moral: every single casino out there is designed to win money no matter the good or bad luck of their clients, but some of them more than others. In any case, play responsibly.
Well, for me personally, I've never really cared to know if a casino is probably fair or not, possibly because I don't know how to check this as well.
Knowing that casinos are designed to win in the long run, makes me put fun first when ever I decide to play some gambling games, this helps me not to count the losses as anything since i know beforehand that the losses are natural.

When winning money becomes paramount in my head, I go for betting instead, since I know that betting depends more on how good you know the team you are betting on, likewise a very small amount of luck.

Indeed, until it touches you, you will always assume that you have already checked and evaluated everything as required. But when faced with an unfair casino and losing your money there, you may have the illusion that this will not happen to you anymore and now you are already going to another gambling establishment in the hope of recouping, the truth is that there are actually not so many trusted online casinos.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Shamm on March 09, 2023, 02:11:17 PM
Do not forget that casinos are more or less a business oriented organization. So therefore would want to make more profits to running the casino and also salary payment to her staff. Just like every individual, gamblers or bettors would want to make profit from gambling on casinos same it is applicable to casinos too. No one wants to loss. I some times feel the same way you too feel about casinos intentionally doing what they could to strap gamblers of their hard earned resources all in the name of gambling for fun. Although not all do it intentional but believe me you, they always want More gamblers to fail do they could make more profits to their coffers.  I think sometimes the issues of account ban and suspension must likely be that the casino might be running short of funds do would probably generate more funds from that act of theirs in banning and suspending accounts but they would not say it for us to know rather they would find fault and do the dirty job on people's account and funds.
The owner of every casin always thinking that they will not getting loss be cause for them casino is business and also like you said above they have many personal or let says staff which is they need to pay all of them. And one the best of casino is that banning suspicious accounts which is they get that specific accounts cheating and that's against the rules and regulations then that will automatically banned that account .


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: worldofcoins on March 09, 2023, 03:57:53 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts

Not all casinos cheat their players; there are some scam casinos. Still, when choosing an online gambling site, it's essential to consider factors such as reputation, licensing, and player reviews. It's also necessary to set a budget and gamble responsibly.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: maydna on March 09, 2023, 04:23:13 PM
You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Why? Because not all gamblers are naive and gullible. Many of them including me check whether such systems are truly fair or not before deciding to invest in those sites.

Some of them turn out to be legit while some turn out to be unfair. Do your research!

The video doesn't cheat, as it is true that some casinos manipulate every single bet, but it is made to give the impression that this is something common for all betting platforms, so it is normal that the OP thinks that way.

On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.

Moral: every single casino out there is designed to win money no matter the good or bad luck of their clients, but some of them more than others. In any case, play responsibly.
We should think that the casino is proven to be fair rather than thinking of things that can affect the pleasure we will get from gambling. And if he still thinks something is wrong with the casino, he can move to other casinos that can better guarantee that what they do is fair. But if he remains like that and can't control his mind, he should not have to play gambling rather than he goes crazy just because he thinks proven fair or cheating.

It will not stop there because he must think that if he loses gambling, it is because the casino is cheating on him and maybe he will complain to the public even though he is the one who loses because he is disadvantaged. We know that gambling is a profitable business for casino owners and we should not gamble with big money so that we don't think things.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Haunebu on March 09, 2023, 04:34:36 PM
On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.
You don't need to be a technical genius in order to verify provably fair algorithms in crypto gambling sites. Just did a random google search and found some helpful links.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-manually-verify-provably-fair-wagers

https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/

https://dicetrue.com/provably-fair-checker/

These are just a couple of ways. Do your research!


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: paxmao on March 09, 2023, 08:59:05 PM
Everyone and anyone can judge on their own about these cases. The casinos are there to maximise the profit and players are aware of it of course. If you feel that the site is letting you down too often, to the point in which you can easily notice, then is time to think of migrating to another place. If you are suspicious, do some numbers - it is boring but useful.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Accardo on March 09, 2023, 09:34:34 PM
I think op is just giving an opinion here about what he felt about some of the many casinos that we are using and we might not be aware of what is going on and how they might to cheating. This is time for many of us to be prepared and asking questions about some of the bugs some insincere casinos are having.

I have seen some gamblers complaining about some sites they are using and they keep making losing with knowing the cause. This could be real that is why we need to make sure that we are using a reputable casinos that are well to do.

Aside the provably fair and a casino being reputable it's not hidden that casinos are taking profits from gamblers. Every player needs to choose wisely the machine that has the payback percentage that'll suit their bankroll, because that's where the con starts. On the long run players still lose, so it's not a surprise thing if the provably fair feature is been manipulated by some casinos. Come to think of it, any casino that boldly writes on their terms and conditions “No Provably fair" would gain lesser customers. So, I think some of the casinos add provably fair on site without having such feature. Between not everyone can check or confirm these features. It's good to use reputable casinos like you said, but it's better to know these techniques and study how slot machines work. That will enable easy swapping of casinos whenever they begin to get shady.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Ryu_Ar1 on March 09, 2023, 09:41:07 PM
Trying something new is very good but when there is no clarity for the site especially for a new site, I think it is risky and the condition is like what you experienced.
It would be good to be on sites that are proven to be trusted on this forum. until now I have tried almost all the sites that are trusted on this site and as long as I tried and even continued to play until now, I did not get any complaints about it because they really have been tested both in terms of performance and reputation.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: decodx on March 09, 2023, 09:51:08 PM
On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.

I don't think you need to have fancy technical skills to be able to verify your bets at a provably fair casino. To verify the fairness of a provably fair casino, there are a few steps you can take. Firstly, you can check if the casino has a "Provably Fair" section on their website that explains how their system works. This should include information on the cryptographic algorithms used and how to verify the results.

Secondly, you can use third-party verification tools to check the results of games. These tools use mathematical algorithms to check that the results of games are truly random and not manipulated.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Fatunad on March 09, 2023, 10:59:17 PM
On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.

I don't think you need to have fancy technical skills to be able to verify your bets at a provably fair casino. To verify the fairness of a provably fair casino, there are a few steps you can take. Firstly, you can check if the casino has a "Provably Fair" section on their website that explains how their system works. This should include information on the cryptographic algorithms used and how to verify the results.

Secondly, you can use third-party verification tools to check the results of games. These tools use mathematical algorithms to check that the results of games are truly random and not manipulated.
Usually you could see these pages or links on a top ranking or well established gambling sites on which you could be able to verify those hashes and see for yourself if they are really having those fair rolls.
For those who are really that having doubts about being fair then its up to you whether you would really be that going or being dubious about their fairness but for me i dont really care that much
as long i do deal with the known or popular sites on where most people been playing on.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: goinmerry on March 09, 2023, 11:59:51 PM
For those who are really that having doubts about being fair then its up to you whether you would really be that going or being dubious about their fairness but for me i dont really care that much
as long i do deal with the known or popular sites on where most people been playing on.

This is what I agree with. Even though I don't have that technical knowledge regarding verifying the provably fair of casino games, as long as I'm playing with a reputable gambling site, I should consider myself as somehow safe at using their service.

These popular sites will not just be turned into scams as they are registered legally and I don't they will exchange a small penny for the trust they have built.

If having trouble choosing a reputable site, OP can read those ANN threads and from reading the discussion there, OP should tell if the site is legit or not.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Hispo on March 10, 2023, 01:11:32 AM
For those who are really that having doubts about being fair then its up to you whether you would really be that going or being dubious about their fairness but for me i dont really care that much
as long i do deal with the known or popular sites on where most people been playing on.

This is what I agree with. Even though I don't have that technical knowledge regarding verifying the provably fair of casino games, as long as I'm playing with a reputable gambling site, I should consider myself as somehow safe at using their service.

These popular sites will not just be turned into scams as they are registered legally and I don't they will exchange a small penny for the trust they have built.

If having trouble choosing a reputable site, OP can read those ANN threads and from reading the discussion there, OP should tell if the site is legit or not.

While I personally feel that it is good to be able to verify fairness and probably fair games it is important feature for this industry, I agree with you and if someone is not tech-savvy enough to check the hashes/seeds of the games they are playing, then it is better just to stick to and only gamble on casinos with a long history of good reputation, solid liquidity and profitability.

It would not make sense (as you said) for a casino of those characteristics to risk their name and position in the industry just for some extra money/advantage, but also it would be matter of time before a group of people found out something weird would be going on when they tried to verify themselves the seeds/hashes.



Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Daltonik on March 10, 2023, 07:35:57 AM
Simply having provably fair for some games is certainly a desirable aspect in gambling, but it is not applicable in most modern licensed slots, and can also be used in simple newly created online casinos to create an impression of fair play, but then simply refuse to pay funds. Very vague rules prescribed in many TaC allow you to block a player simply by referring to abuse on his part.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: CODE200 on March 10, 2023, 12:02:51 PM
For those who are really that having doubts about being fair then its up to you whether you would really be that going or being dubious about their fairness but for me i dont really care that much
as long i do deal with the known or popular sites on where most people been playing on.

This is what I agree with. Even though I don't have that technical knowledge regarding verifying the provably fair of casino games, as long as I'm playing with a reputable gambling site, I should consider myself as somehow safe at using their service.

These popular sites will not just be turned into scams as they are registered legally and I don't they will exchange a small penny for the trust they have built.

If having trouble choosing a reputable site, OP can read those ANN threads and from reading the discussion there, OP should tell if the site is legit or not.
It is really doubtful if you will go to a casino or not so popular sites that are not registered. For you to have calmness while gambling in a casino or site, why try to do research about it first, right? Those sites do not force you to go in to them. In the end, it's still your decision. If you think it's a scam why go and spend money on it? As I was once a gambler before, I don't think it's not fair because in gambling you don't have a 100% probability that you will win or lose. Sometimes it's just timing and luck.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on March 10, 2023, 12:13:33 PM
Simply having provably fair for some games is certainly a desirable aspect in gambling, but it is not applicable in most modern licensed slots, and can also be used in simple newly created online casinos to create an impression of fair play, but then simply refuse to pay funds. Very vague rules prescribed in many TaC allow you to block a player simply by referring to abuse on his part.
One of the good reasons why I am always skeptical playing on new casinos, and I also, always advice gamblers to  start their gambling on a new casino with a very small amount of at all, they must,  else, it is always better to play on big reputable casinos, that have proven their genuinuety in the gambling industry.

But on the other hand, I always remember that the big casinos we prefer to play on today, sometime in the past was a small casino starting out as well, if gamblers avoided them because they were a small casino, probably, they would become a big casino today.
So because of this, I decided it still important to support the small casinos with our small bets, until they prove themselves legitimate and worthy of our big bets.

And also to add, any good casino wouldn't include shady stuff, or something that would give gamblers doubt about them, in their terms and conditions.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: tusandii on March 10, 2023, 01:22:00 PM
And also to add, any good casino wouldn't include shady stuff, or something that would give gamblers doubt about them, in their terms and conditions.
It seems that not only the good casinos but all the small to high ranking casinos would never do anything to make their customers feel doubtful.
Of course, every casino will do anything to make their customers have trust and confidence in them, because after all, casinos always have ways and conditions that are made to always have lots of loyal customers and new users.
We can also see that some scam casinos also have a way to make gamblers believe and not hesitate to enter and then deposit money at a scam casino.
The conclusion is that every casino will provide the best for customers and for the sake of the casino business that they run.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Wiwo on March 10, 2023, 01:29:18 PM
Everyone and anyone can judge on their own about these cases. The casinos are there to maximise the profit and players are aware of it of course. If you feel that the site is letting you down too often, to the point in which you can easily notice, then is time to think of migrating to another place. If you are suspicious, do some numbers - it is boring but useful.
Yes and as long as the player accepts the T&C the responsibility is laid on them to abide by all casinos rules and be willing to accept any judgement placed on them by the casino, so I wouldn't say that the casino is to be blamed if the player failed to meet any of the casino requirements and if the penalty is given.

-Casino is like every other business and the goal is to make profits but in doing so there must follow due process to avoid becoming a violator of player right and flag as a scam.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: TheGreatPython on March 10, 2023, 01:38:59 PM
You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Why? Because not all gamblers are naive and gullible. Many of them including me check whether such systems are truly fair or not before deciding to invest in those sites.

Some of them turn out to be legit while some turn out to be unfair. Do your research!
Whether it's a gambling platform or anything in general that involves money, research is required before putting the money at risk if the service provider turns out to be untrustworthy, there is nothing you can really do later other than just regretting your initial decisions which won't give you your money back.

So it's better if a person does his due diligence before getting into a casino, depositing money, and playing and then later find out that their provably fair system is rigged or they are basically compromising all the bets.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Cling18 on March 10, 2023, 03:43:38 PM
Everyone and anyone can judge on their own about these cases. The casinos are there to maximise the profit and players are aware of it of course. If you feel that the site is letting you down too often, to the point in which you can easily notice, then is time to think of migrating to another place. If you are suspicious, do some numbers - it is boring but useful.
Yes and as long as the player accepts the T&C the responsibility is laid on them to abide by all casinos rules and be willing to accept any judgement placed on them by the casino, so I wouldn't say that the casino is to be blamed if the player failed to meet any of the casino requirements and if the penalty is given.

-Casino is like every other business and the goal is to make profits but in doing so there must follow due process to avoid becoming a violator of player right and flag as a scam.

Casinos could rule over the site and if you completely understand their TOS and if you are on a trusted site, you might not have that kind of accusation. Of course, we can't always win over the house and we have no control over it and that's the risk of crypto casino gambling. If ever you are losing, don't think that they are scamming you because that's part of the risk that you have to deal with. If you are not comfortable with the recent casino that you are using, then you can simply switch to other sites.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: sujonali1819 on March 10, 2023, 04:12:07 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M

Yes, of course in the end house will win. This is how the games or gambling platforms are built. But you have to choose the trusted one to get more fairness. A lot of trusted gambling platforms are promoting them in this forum, you can choose one of them.

On the other hand you can play live games , basically the live blackjack which is much fair I think.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: bettercrypto on March 10, 2023, 04:21:28 PM
If you gamble only what you can afford to lose in every game, you will have less to worry about when you start winning big. Making money through gambling may seem impossible at first, but if you risk only what you can afford to lose, you will have less to worry about.

To avoid scammers, make sure you practice your gambling skills on a reputable gambling website, I know some scammers have come up with attractive new gambling websites, and they have it in mind to never run the platform for too long, the only way to avoid them is using reliable gambling websites only.

Also, try to understand that you can't always win, it's a big loss for casino runners if all players keep winning.

Are there "Skills" that are called upon when a gambler plays? isn't it true that playing in the casino is always based on luck and not on skills. That's why the house edge often wins.

     That's why most people don't believe that gambling can be a source of income, because there is no fixed income here to get instead of losing our capital later if we are careless in playing, so we should just consider it which is a hobby and winning is secondary.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: CryptoHeadlineNews on March 10, 2023, 07:25:21 PM
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
Casino businesses are created for profit making and as such, always at an advantage when people come to gamble. So in regard to this very statement of yours, I will likely say that the manipulation of the outcome of a game can only be common when it comes to slot games and not all kinds of games. Because when it comes to sports betting (I.e Football & Basketball), casinos can not analyze and try to make a gambler lose simply because they have no control over what could be the outcome of a sports betting game. Hence, makes it more interesting, as if you are lucky to predict the correct outcome, you get rewarded.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: cafter on March 10, 2023, 07:27:55 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M

Yes, of course in the end house will win. This is how the games or gambling platforms are built. But you have to choose the trusted one to get more fairness. A lot of trusted gambling platforms are promoting them in this forum, you can choose one of them.

On the other hand you can play live games , basically the live blackjack which is much fair I think.

yes, i like live games more than provably fair , i don't know why but every time in the end i definetly lose in provably fair,
in live games we can control emotions and we can think our next move in the next round timing.(means while playing provably fair like crash or keno we doesn't have time to think what will be our next move. like increasing the bet or decreasing the bet, doubling bet, etc., and in live games there is some seconds of time runs, in that time we can think about our next bet , that we need to increase the bet amount or decrease.and we can try to control our emotions)


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: decodx on March 10, 2023, 08:30:45 PM
yes, i like live games more than provably fair , i don't know why but every time in the end i definetly lose in provably fair,
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Yeah, I totally get what you're saying! I love live games too for pretty much the same reasons. There's just something about being able to see the cards being dealt or the roulette wheel spinning that makes it more exciting and easier to control your emotions.
Another thing I love about live games is the social aspect. It's just more fun to play with other people and have that sense of camaraderie and competition. With provably fair games, you're usually just playing by yourself and there's no real interaction with other players.



Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: serjent05 on March 10, 2023, 09:08:52 PM
On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.
You don't need to be a technical genius in order to verify provably fair algorithms in crypto gambling sites. Just did a random google search and found some helpful links.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-manually-verify-provably-fair-wagers

https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/

https://dicetrue.com/provably-fair-checker/

These are just a couple of ways. Do your research!

Besides, reputable casinos always give the hash of our bets so that we can verify the games are truly provably fair.


Yes, of course in the end house will win. This is how the games or gambling platforms are built. But you have to choose the trusted one to get more fairness. A lot of trusted gambling platforms are promoting them in this forum, you can choose one of them.

Not always, if we prolong our play, house edge kicks in and that is the time when we lost everything.  To be able to beat the house edge, we can just quit when we won a good amount to prevent gambling casino in getting back our winnings.

On the other hand you can play live games , basically the live blackjack which is much fair I think.

Not at all, there are some instances where dealer are caught cheating on live games see this video how the dealer flip the front card just to get the next card to win the round: https://youtu.be/7PGasgpAJ1o?t=20

I think a game operated by a person has way more flaw and prone to cheating than machines that follow provably fair games.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Heartilly on March 10, 2023, 09:14:58 PM
I will likely say that the manipulation of the outcome of a game can only be common when it comes to slot games

Regarding this, don't just look at the reputation of the gambling site but rather the reputation of the game provider.

There are game providers that are proven to have a fair algorithm that everything is really random.

I don't like to play on a game provider that is not popular and is not supported by the most popular online gambling sites.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Smartvirus on March 10, 2023, 09:21:47 PM
It's hard to say or prove online gambling to be fair or not. The most you could do is rely on the reviews from other players and the means to testing for fairness. There are some algorithms that have been preset which depends on the input from your data set to get a final result and there arr regulations to ensure this. I think it does work and you just have to go with it. In the event that you ain't sure, there are other things to do or parts to gambling that you could wrap your head around its fairness. Like in the sportsbook, though you might argue about games being fixed but, what plays out in the arena is the most you could get.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: BitcoinPanther on March 10, 2023, 09:54:12 PM
It's hard to say or prove online gambling to be fair or not. The most you could do is rely on the reviews from other players and the means to testing for fairness. There are some algorithms that have been preset which depends on the input from your data set to get a final result and there arr regulations to ensure this. I think it does work and you just have to go with it. In the event that you ain't sure, there are other things to do or parts to gambling that you could wrap your head around its fairness. Like in the sportsbook, though you might argue about games being fixed but, what plays out in the arena is the most you could get.

I do think that online games result such as slots, dice, crash are pre-programmed or pre-sets, its that it needs to be triggered to happen which gives way to provably fair which means once a pre-set result is triggered, it is verifiable and transparent and cannot be changed. 

Not at all, there are some instances where dealer are caught cheating on live games see this video how the dealer flip the front card just to get the next card to win the round: https://youtu.be/7PGasgpAJ1o?t=20

I think a game operated by a person has way more flaw and prone to cheating than machines that follow provably fair games.

Lol that guy expression show that he is planning to do something unexpected, alas he is not fast enough to get unnoticed. 

I will likely say that the manipulation of the outcome of a game can only be common when it comes to slot games

Regarding this, don't just look at the reputation of the gambling site but rather the reputation of the game provider.

There are game providers that are proven to have a fair algorithm that everything is really random.

I don't like to play on a game provider that is not popular and is not supported by the most popular online gambling sites.

Definitely we have to look at the reputation of the gambling site.  Reputable gambling site won't any provider to make their reputation bad, so they will select provider that offers the best service and also reputable.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Fatunad on March 10, 2023, 10:36:56 PM
For those who are really that having doubts about being fair then its up to you whether you would really be that going or being dubious about their fairness but for me i dont really care that much
as long i do deal with the known or popular sites on where most people been playing on.

This is what I agree with. Even though I don't have that technical knowledge regarding verifying the provably fair of casino games, as long as I'm playing with a reputable gambling site, I should consider myself as somehow safe at using their service.

These popular sites will not just be turned into scams as they are registered legally and I don't they will exchange a small penny for the trust they have built.

If having trouble choosing a reputable site, OP can read those ANN threads and from reading the discussion there, OP should tell if the site is legit or not.

It is really doubtful if you will go to a casino or not so popular sites that are not registered. For you to have calmness while gambling in a casino or site, why try to do research about it first, right? Those sites do not force you to go in to them. In the end, it's still your decision. If you think it's a scam why go and spend money on it? As I was once a gambler before, I don't think it's not fair because in gambling you don't have a 100% probability that you will win or lose. Sometimes it's just timing and luck.
Would really be just common sense on where you should really make yourself that get involved with on which it would be that preferable if you would be sticking into those known and reputable sites.
Even though its not really that we could say that they are 100% safe but basing up on the condition and the reputation that they do have then doing or acting up some shady things isnt something
that could happen or exchanging their reputation on just mere amounts but somehow its never been that a guarantee on giving out that full trust but well as long you do play on amounts
which you could afford to lose then it wont really be that much of an issue.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Bushdark on March 10, 2023, 10:49:28 PM
It's hard to say or prove online gambling to be fair or not. The most you could do is rely on the reviews from other players and the means to testing for fairness. There are some algorithms that have been preset which depends on the input from your data set to get a final result and there arr regulations to ensure this. I think it does work and you just have to go with it. In the event that you ain't sure, there are other things to do or parts to gambling that you could wrap your head around its fairness. Like in the sportsbook, though you might argue about games being fixed but, what plays out in the arena is the most you could get.
If op think that they are scamming us then it shouldn't be every casinos. It is still obvious that there are some casinos that would not mind to scam there customers just to make some bucks from them. There are many genuine casinos here in this forum that would not want to choose that part. Many op had have few bad experience with some casinos that is why he wouldn't mind tagging all casinos that they are using many ways to make sure that they keep eraning from us in an unfair manner.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: QueenVera on March 10, 2023, 10:55:22 PM
I'm obviously one of the persons who at some points doubted the casino especially when I'm making rapid losses in a roll and don't see any reason to make those loses.
I came to learn and realize lately that the casino is a business and at such, no matter how provably fair a casino might claim to be,  I believe that casino is a business and most times the games are been programmed to be at the favour of the game house and I'm also sure that no one starts any business to make loss and gambling and casino being a business, isn't exempted.
I can't tell if they're scamming us, but I want always see myself win if no matter what their intentions might be.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Alphie12 on March 11, 2023, 05:49:56 AM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video:https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M
they aren't scamming. The odds are set in the casinos favor.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: michellee on March 11, 2023, 07:24:43 AM
I'm obviously one of the persons who at some points doubted the casino especially when I'm making rapid losses in a roll and don't see any reason to make those loses.
I came to learn and realize lately that the casino is a business and at such, no matter how provably fair a casino might claim to be,  I believe that casino is a business and most times the games are been programmed to be at the favour of the game house and I'm also sure that no one starts any business to make loss and gambling and casino being a business, isn't exempted.
I can't tell if they're scamming us, but I want always see myself win if no matter what their intentions might be.
Casinos are a business, and we must realize they also want to benefit from those losing gamblers. We will find it difficult to win from the house because, in the end, the house will always get more money. And if we don't want to lose a lot of money, we have to be able to protect ourselves by limiting the use of money so that we don't lose a lot of money.

I don't think they are cheating, especially if I play in a trusted casino. Trusted casinos don't want to damage their reputation built for a long and only want to satisfy their customers.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: len01 on March 11, 2023, 07:37:32 AM
Regarding this, don't just look at the reputation of the gambling site but rather the reputation of the game provider.

There are game providers that are proven to have a fair algorithm that everything is really random.

I don't like to play on a game provider that is not popular and is not supported by the most popular online gambling sites.
I don't agree with your statement.
we as gamblers are definitely the first to choose gambling based on its reputation first. for me you say don't look at the reputation of gambling it's like the first mistake when choosing gambling. because for me a casino that has a good reputation of course they also have a provider that has a good reputation too.


and for me choosing good gambling by researching myself through real reviews like this forum. because this forum is for me one of the real gambling review places compared to review sites which usually have fake reviews. I mean there is a gambling review site that pays someone to leave a positive review even though the casino site is a scam.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Maslate on March 11, 2023, 07:49:59 AM
In general, gambling sites have the edge, which is why they operate their businesses profitably, and the industry as a whole is profitable as well. Choosing a site is very important, as some sites do not have a good reputation. It's not fun gambling on those sites, knowing that they are just cheating their customers. So always look at the reputation and start by looking at the sites listed in the forum. If you lose, it's because you don't have the edge.

With reputable gambling sites, you will win if you are lucky. For gambling sites that cheat, you'll never win. That's the huge difference.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Betwrong on March 11, 2023, 10:08:43 AM
I'm surprised that many posters in this thread take this suspiciously looking video seriously. Guys, it's just a clickbait, and nothing more than that. There's no logic in it, imo. "Gambling is used extensively around the world to launder money", says the mysterious guy in a mask. So, is it there for laundering money, or for scamming regular gamblers? Because, those are different things, you know.

Reputable gambling sites don't analyse your betting in any way. They don't have such software, and they don't need to do that, in the first place, because they are making good money from the house edge, and that's it. The guy is just a clown.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Hypnosis00 on March 11, 2023, 11:22:37 AM
I'm obviously one of the persons who at some points doubted the casino especially when I'm making rapid losses in a roll and don't see any reason to make those loses.
I came to learn and realize lately that the casino is a business and at such, no matter how provably fair a casino might claim to be,  I believe that casino is a business and most times the games are been programmed to be at the favour of the game house and I'm also sure that no one starts any business to make loss and gambling and casino being a business, isn't exempted.
I can't tell if they're scamming us, but I want always see myself win if no matter what their intentions might be.
Maybe yes or no, but these casinos are also monitoring our activity. Playing luck base games is somewhat easy to manipulate and has been programmed, unlike sports betting. But yes, as we are in gambling we can never expect to win all the time. If we lose, we never have to blame the sites unless we have a solid evidence that could point out that they are doing something.
It was to know that before we gamble, we expect losses already. Sounds disappointing but the house don't let things happen that they will bankrupt because everyone is winning.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Nwada001 on March 11, 2023, 12:24:10 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do.
I don't really call it cheating, but let me ask you a question: can you open up a business in which your primary purpose is different from making gain? If yes, from what end will you be making the money that you will use to cover all the expenses that it will cost you to maintain the business?Let's forget the fact that most casinos promise users a comfortable environment for fun. Casinos and their owners are primarily out there to make profit, so they design their systems to favor them most and favor a few of the players. That's just how I view it, no matter what angle I want to look at it from. That's why gambling is just like a game of luck; if you win, it's to the detriment of the other users who lose, and most of the time the losses are always greater than the number of wins casinos usually have, with the highest percentage going to the platform. It's just how it is. 


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: wiss19 on March 11, 2023, 12:58:09 PM
Simply having provably fair for some games is certainly a desirable aspect in gambling, but it is not applicable in most modern licensed slots, and can also be used in simple newly created online casinos to create an impression of fair play, but then simply refuse to pay funds. Very vague rules prescribed in many TaC allow you to block a player simply by referring to abuse on his part.
A gambler should simply stick to a trusted and reputed platform if they play with big money and don't want to face any issues like that. Having a provably fair system surely gives the casinos an edge over those that don't have it but as you said, new or not very trusted casinos can also misuse it, so a player should only play at a casino where they know their funds will be safe.

A casino that has been around for a while will likely never confiscate the funds of a player by making excuses, at least I've not seen that happening. But new and untrustworthy sources can surely do such things. So it's better to just stick with the best if you have a high value on stake.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Johnyz on March 11, 2023, 01:02:50 PM
They have the system and the access to our activities so probably they are doing this but they can't fully implement this or else their probably fair system will be compromise.

The house will always have the edge and advantage against the gamblers because this is how their business works and I don't think they are scamming us when we know in the first place that casinos always win no matter what strategy you are using against them, and somehow the law allows them to practice such system.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: btfoam on March 11, 2023, 02:26:36 PM
Here is my input as a high stakes gambler:

All of these casinos have departments or people specifically monitoring winning accounts (withdrawals etc)


If the account wins too much, they can limit their stakes. (Happened to me. Highly unethical.)

Another thing to consider, there is absolutely nothing stopping the casino from giving you bad seeds or adjusting your win percentage algorithm to stop you winning.

A casino is a business, if you take their money they eventually have to close. Although this should be offset by 99% of losing accounts.

However some casino's are so greedy that they won't even allow the 1% to win... (prime dice)


Essentially, casino's are nice as long as you keep giving them money. But if they start to lose more often than not you are an immediate problem - and it's no longer "fair".

My worst experience has been with primedice, where my account was destroyed with limits and then set to lose.

By the way a casino license from Curacao has as much regulation as a curry house in northern Cambodia.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Peanutswar on March 11, 2023, 03:50:47 PM
That the reason why some gamblers don't want to risk anymore with the casino just newly start because its hard to trust your money with the casino does not build already a good reputation and credibility for the users and we cannot blame them but those people who make a good feed back with this newly casino can bring a good chance of more players because by themselves they experience already getting with the things they need to make sure they enjoy the game which this is mostly happening as a personal preference.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: bettercrypto on March 11, 2023, 06:46:05 PM
It's hard to say or prove online gambling to be fair or not. The most you could do is rely on the reviews from other players and the means to testing for fairness. There are some algorithms that have been preset which depends on the input from your data set to get a final result and there arr regulations to ensure this. I think it does work and you just have to go with it. In the event that you ain't sure, there are other things to do or parts to gambling that you could wrap your head around its fairness. Like in the sportsbook, though you might argue about games being fixed but, what plays out in the arena is the most you could get.

So as a responsible gambler we should know to read whether a casino is a legitimate one and how many gamblers say whether it is a good place to gamble.

     Because sometimes even if a casino's reputation is good, that doesn't mean it can't make mistakes with their players on their platform,
of course that's not the case. Then others should also understand that the provider is different from the casino gambling platform itself as far as I know.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: RILWAN on March 11, 2023, 06:55:14 PM
No casino forced out money from our pocket so since we are not forced to gamble why then should we complain about being scammed because we gamble and lost, this is not appropriate and we should learn to accept our mistakes and take responsibility for our actions.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Hamphser on March 11, 2023, 09:39:24 PM
Anyway, let's assume that they really are scamming you guys then I think you should create a scam accusation to make them known here in Bitcointalk and people will know about their scheme of scamming people off of their money and we can avoid it right away unlike not knowing that they are scammers. You can help that way by creating scam accusation thread and to avoid having more victims. It is important to know if it's a legitimate casino or not and through SAT (scam acu thread) make people aware of it.
But on the time you do make out some thread about accusations then you should be sure on providing solid evidences because if you do really just make out some post basing up with some hunches then you would be ending up on getting ignored because you would be treated for some troll.This is why on the time that you would really be making out some claims that they are cheating then be sure that you
do really give out those solid proofs or else you would really be bashed.

We cant really make out some conclusions until its proven.If you do have hunches on being cheated or not fair then try to prove out, if failed then dont bother on
opening accusations in towards a particular site.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Dunamisx on March 11, 2023, 09:46:13 PM
If you think that the casino you're using is not fare enough in their activities and not been transparent as well to your taste and standard you're free to leave for another, but remember that you're not sure of where you're heading to as well because bo one is perfect, but we all were working towards perfection including you experiencing this, so why should you get bothered on something that's just not worth considering by some other people that gambles.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Hispo on March 11, 2023, 09:51:18 PM
Anyway, let's assume that they really are scamming you guys then I think you should create a scam accusation to make them known here in Bitcointalk and people will know about their scheme of scamming people off of their money and we can avoid it right away unlike not knowing that they are scammers. You can help that way by creating scam accusation thread and to avoid having more victims. It is important to know if it's a legitimate casino or not and through SAT (scam acu thread) make people aware of it.

If you check out the Youtube video shared by OP, you would realize that they are not taking about scamming people explicitly, but rather it is a anonymous denunciation of some alleged practices of the industry. A scam (in the simplest way) occurs when the casino denies you your money, but data collection, tier systems, customer management is neither illegal or a scam, as far as I know.

As I said, there are companies (of all kind, not only casinos) which have devious morals and seek profit through unmoral ways. It is matter of being aware or them and seek better alternatives. That is one of the reasons some people opt not to buy Apple, Adobe, or even Google products.



Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: capedbaldy on March 11, 2023, 10:40:37 PM
Anyway, let's assume that they really are scamming you guys then I think you should create a scam accusation to make them known here in Bitcointalk and people will know about their scheme of scamming people off of their money and we can avoid it right away unlike not knowing that they are scammers. You can help that way by creating scam accusation thread and to avoid having more victims. It is important to know if it's a legitimate casino or not and through SAT (scam acu thread) make people aware of it.
But on the time you do make out some thread about accusations then you should be sure on providing solid evidences because if you do really just make out some post basing up with some hunches then you would be ending up on getting ignored because you would be treated for some troll.This is why on the time that you would really be making out some claims that they are cheating then be sure that you
do really give out those solid proofs or else you would really be bashed.

We cant really make out some conclusions until its proven.If you do have hunches on being cheated or not fair then try to prove out, if failed then dont bother on
opening accusations in towards a particular site.
Each case regarding allegations must have specific explanations and concrete evidence that can be used as a review for the assessment of the casino site, so if it's just an assumption then you can't say they have deceived us.

So I agree with you, that we shouldn't waste our minds on vague accusations because many trolls accuse popular casino sites with unclear explanations and have no proof of accusations.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Hamphser on March 11, 2023, 10:50:18 PM
Anyway, let's assume that they really are scamming you guys then I think you should create a scam accusation to make them known here in Bitcointalk and people will know about their scheme of scamming people off of their money and we can avoid it right away unlike not knowing that they are scammers. You can help that way by creating scam accusation thread and to avoid having more victims. It is important to know if it's a legitimate casino or not and through SAT (scam acu thread) make people aware of it.
But on the time you do make out some thread about accusations then you should be sure on providing solid evidences because if you do really just make out some post basing up with some hunches then you would be ending up on getting ignored because you would be treated for some troll.This is why on the time that you would really be making out some claims that they are cheating then be sure that you
do really give out those solid proofs or else you would really be bashed.

We cant really make out some conclusions until its proven.If you do have hunches on being cheated or not fair then try to prove out, if failed then dont bother on
opening accusations in towards a particular site.
Each case regarding allegations must have specific explanations and concrete evidence that can be used as a review for the assessment of the casino site, so if it's just an assumption then you can't say they have deceived us.

So I agree with you, that we shouldn't waste our minds on vague accusations because many trolls accuse popular casino sites with unclear explanations and have no proof of accusations.
And we know that competition is really high when it comes to gambling industry on which there are really instances where trolls made out some false accusations just to make a certain gambling site or platform
looks bad and this is their primary motive and this is why it is really that important that we should really know how to differentiate in between legit accusations into those trolling or not real ones.
It is really just hard to believe that known gambling sites would really be doing such foolish things considering that they are running a long term business and not short ones.
They cant just afford on having those shady acts behind because they do know that it would really be over for their business if they would really be running on that way.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on March 11, 2023, 10:59:54 PM
Anyway, let's assume that they really are scamming you guys then I think you should create a scam accusation to make them known here in Bitcointalk and people will know about their scheme of scamming people off of their money and we can avoid it right away unlike not knowing that they are scammers. You can help that way by creating scam accusation thread and to avoid having more victims. It is important to know if it's a legitimate casino or not and through SAT (scam acu thread) make people aware of it.
But on the time you do make out some thread about accusations then you should be sure on providing solid evidences because if you do really just make out some post basing up with some hunches then you would be ending up on getting ignored because you would be treated for some troll.This is why on the time that you would really be making out some claims that they are cheating then be sure that you
do really give out those solid proofs or else you would really be bashed.

We cant really make out some conclusions until its proven.If you do have hunches on being cheated or not fair then try to prove out, if failed then dont bother on
opening accusations in towards a particular site.
Each case regarding allegations must have specific explanations and concrete evidence that can be used as a review for the assessment of the casino site, so if it's just an assumption then you can't say they have deceived us.

So I agree with you, that we shouldn't waste our minds on vague accusations because many trolls accuse popular casino sites with unclear explanations and have no proof of accusations.
Personally, I will assume the accusers of this casinos, are probably gamblers who might have lost some substantial amount of money to this casinos while gambling, and them feeling angry and having no other way of attacking the casino, result to publishing false and unverifiable accusations against such casino, even without any form of proof.

In the past, when going to a  land casinos was the only means of gambling, we have heard and read stories of how gamblers who were believed to have lost so much money on this casinos, went physical on them as a retaliation for the money they lost, some either resorted to robbing the casinos physically, or devising means through which they can hold the casino to randsome.

I believe the above, is simply what is playing out with most of the accusations we see here, but this time, in a digital way, since the casinos in question are online based, there is no way to go physical on them but online.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: QueenVera on March 11, 2023, 10:59:58 PM
I've never heard of a casino screening out bets just to make us loss because I believe there is this provably fair policy and I've never doubted that policy of recent not after I trained myself not to gamble with emotions.
I believe OP might have encountered alot of losses lately and that is one factor that always promotes such posts like this.
There were times I felt the provably fair policy wasn't fair enough and I at some point that there was a serious bais in the things they do and I had to write to customer care but I later discovered that I needed to invest more in knowing the rudiments of a business rather than assume that all is well because of some few successes we had while trying to recover your pocket.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Rufsilf on March 11, 2023, 11:02:27 PM
Anyway, let's assume that they really are scamming you guys then I think you should create a scam accusation to make them known here in Bitcointalk and people will know about their scheme of scamming people off of their money and we can avoid it right away unlike not knowing that they are scammers. You can help that way by creating scam accusation thread and to avoid having more victims. It is important to know if it's a legitimate casino or not and through SAT (scam acu thread) make people aware of it.

If you check out the Youtube video shared by OP, you would realize that they are not taking about scamming people explicitly, but rather it is a anonymous denunciation of some alleged practices of the industry. A scam (in the simplest way) occurs when the casino denies you your money, but data collection, tier systems, customer management is neither illegal or a scam, as far as I know.

As I said, there are companies (of all kind, not only casinos) which have devious morals and seek profit through unmoral ways. It is matter of being aware or them and seek better alternatives. That is one of the reasons some people opt not to buy Apple, Adobe, or even Google products.


Such immoral ways should be stopped, but how? Gambling sites are growing and so are gamblers as well. Might some of these gamblers be very particular about the activity of the site/s that they are using but I don't think the majority have done this because I was sure that many don't just think about it rather than just enjoy playing while suffering losses. It is possible that many sites are doing this and a reason that we need to choose legit sites.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: decodx on March 11, 2023, 11:34:17 PM
Such immoral ways should be stopped, but how? Gambling sites are growing and so are gamblers as well. Might some of these gamblers be very particular about the activity of the site/s that they are using but I don't think the majority have done this because I was sure that many don't just think about it rather than just enjoy playing while suffering losses. It is possible that many sites are doing this and a reason that we need to choose legit sites.

I don't think you got what Hispo was saying. To you, what does "legit sites" mean? Legit just means something that's not illegal, but that doesn't mean it's also the right thing to do. Hispo was trying to say that even some companies that are considered legit do some shady stuff to get people to buy from them or make more money. Just because something is legal doesn't make it morally right.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: redsun114 on March 12, 2023, 08:29:29 AM
Anyway, let's assume that they really are scamming you guys then I think you should create a scam accusation to make them known here in Bitcointalk and people will know about their scheme of scamming people off of their money and we can avoid it right away unlike not knowing that they are scammers. You can help that way by creating scam accusation thread and to avoid having more victims. It is important to know if it's a legitimate casino or not and through SAT (scam acu thread) make people aware of it.
By "they" they mean all the casino platforms, and I don't think it's possible to open a scam accusation against all the casinos. Generally speaking, I think there can be some scam platforms out there, but that doesn't necessarily mean that all the casinos are scamming their customers. They do their business and earn their share while players play their games and either win or lose.

People shouldn't blame a casino if they lose money while gambling since it's their own choice. If you can't afford to lose anything, simply don't gamble, it's simple as that. But if you gamble, you should be ready for any consequences you might have to face.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: kenshi222 on March 13, 2023, 07:05:36 AM
Many gambling websites are in market,only some of them are legit.Many people wrote a program to make us small win and big loss.When I had time with my old crypto friend and new gamblers he shared me this view.After the emergence of gambling based on cryptocurrency,he became a gambler.In 2017,he had multiple his crypto to x4 times.Then he used multiple crypto based gambling sites.With his analysis,he had said me.I have to use the same website repeatedly to avoid of big loss.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Ben Barubal on March 13, 2023, 09:43:12 AM
Anyway, let's assume that they really are scamming you guys then I think you should create a scam accusation to make them known here in Bitcointalk and people will know about their scheme of scamming people off of their money and we can avoid it right away unlike not knowing that they are scammers. You can help that way by creating scam accusation thread and to avoid having more victims. It is important to know if it's a legitimate casino or not and through SAT (scam acu thread) make people aware of it.

     And I can only add here to what you said, if someone is going to make an accusation against a casino, I hope they have evidence so that there is no problem. Because that is what is really important for the casino that is being complained about to take action.

    Because sometimes, the situation is reversed, the complaining casino ends up embarrassing the complainant or the accused because of the lack of what they say against the gambling site they gambled on.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: GxSTxV on March 13, 2023, 02:25:52 PM
The way i see gambling industry is similar to the alcohol industry to a very close point which is addiction and responsibility so we find that these companies always warn their customers to be careful with their gambling and the money they are willing to risk. Any adult who puts their money into a legitimate casino should take full responsibility for what may happen next. The games that you play have different algorithms and chances to win, but of course, the owner should always win in order to have a successful business. At the same time some casinos can easily go bankrupt due to bad management.

Regarding the video you shared where an advisor of a known casino was talking about how they don't care about customers and make sure to make them lose more for me it seems like a bad and suspicious casino that doesn't care about their customers. Money laundering is also always present and some people find ways to trick the system and that’s why sometimes KYC process takes time.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Desmong on March 13, 2023, 10:31:33 PM
Anyway, let's assume that they really are scamming you guys then I think you should create a scam accusation to make them known here in Bitcointalk and people will know about their scheme of scamming people off of their money and we can avoid it right away unlike not knowing that they are scammers. You can help that way by creating scam accusation thread and to avoid having more victims. It is important to know if it's a legitimate casino or not and through SAT (scam acu thread) make people aware of it.

     And I can only add here to what you said, if someone is going to make an accusation against a casino, I hope they have evidence so that there is no problem. Because that is what is really important for the casino that is being complained about to take action.

    Because sometimes, the situation is reversed, the complaining casino ends up embarrassing the complainant or the accused because of the lack of what they say against the gambling site they gambled on.
This kind of report or complain is mainly because of anger. My op is not happy like the way he was treated do he need to express himself in a harsh way. He supposed to post some evidence here so that we can take him very serious but we need to overlook it because the site he is complaining about is a good gambling sites with a lots of gamblers that are there betting and making Money frequently.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Ebede on March 13, 2023, 10:39:37 PM
Anyway, let's assume that they really are scamming you guys then I think you should create a scam accusation to make them known here in Bitcointalk and people will know about their scheme of scamming people off of their money and we can avoid it right away unlike not knowing that they are scammers. You can help that way by creating scam accusation thread and to avoid having more victims. It is important to know if it's a legitimate casino or not and through SAT (scam acu thread) make people aware of it.

     And I can only add here to what you said, if someone is going to make an accusation against a casino, I hope they have evidence so that there is no problem. Because that is what is really important for the casino that is being complained about to take action.

    Because sometimes, the situation is reversed, the complaining casino ends up embarrassing the complainant or the accused because of the lack of what they say against the gambling site they gambled on.
This kind of report or complain is mainly because of anger. My op is not happy like the way he was treated do he need to express himself in a harsh way. He supposed to post some evidence here so that we can take him very serious but we need to overlook it because the site he is complaining about is a good gambling sites with a lots of gamblers that are there betting and making Money frequently.
Do you know that some people does not control their anger in gambling even when they are losing and then when they are also benefiting or having profit in gambling so I think about the best thing to do in the gambling is to follow the method and have in mind that it will result out good or bad so anything can happen during the process


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: taufik123 on March 14, 2023, 08:03:57 AM
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The games that you play have different algorithms and chances to win, but of course, the owner should always win in order to have a successful business. At the same time some casinos can easily go bankrupt due to bad management.
The bookie must always win, no matter how the bookie or casino owner will continue to benefit, that's the reason why the gambling industry is in great demand to continue to make more profits from users who only gamble without caring about their money that keeps coming in.

The game algorithm system in it has been arranged in such a way. Those who are given luck with a large jackpot are only a few people, it is to lure others to play and continue to put their money hoping to get the jackpot too. But the defeat will certainly be more than the victory that can be obtained.

Regarding the video you shared where an advisor of a known casino was talking about how they don't care about customers and make sure to make them lose more for me it seems like a bad and suspicious casino that doesn't care about their customers. Money laundering is also always present and some people find ways to trick the system and that’s why sometimes KYC process takes time.
Customers are only used as a profit field, especially finding unfair gambling sites.
But of course, not all gambling sites apply such cheating rules.
There are still some gambling sites that give their customers a pretty good reward.

KYC is certainly a sign that the casino is wise in stopping various criminal acts that can occur.
KYC is done gradually and it will be checked by the people behind the casino site.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: tusandii on March 14, 2023, 08:08:43 AM
Many gambling websites are in market,only some of them are legit.Many people wrote a program to make us small win and big loss.When I had time with my old crypto friend and new gamblers he shared me this view.After the emergence of gambling based on cryptocurrency,he became a gambler.In 2017,he had multiple his crypto to x4 times.Then he used multiple crypto based gambling sites.With his analysis,he had said me.I have to use the same website repeatedly to avoid of big loss.
Previously, did you not think that everyone's luck must be different.
Maybe your friend has been gambling since 2017 and managed to multiply his crypto more and more on several gambling sites that he relies on.
However, if you follow in your friend's footsteps and use the same gambling site, it is not certain that you will be able to get the same luck as your friend because he has his own predictions and analysis in every gambling game he plays.
I am actually of the view that you can never become a great and experienced gambler if you keep following other people's steps even if they are your own friends.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Betwrong on March 14, 2023, 10:25:23 AM
Anyway, let's assume that they really are scamming you guys then I think you should create a scam accusation to make them known here in Bitcointalk and people will know about their scheme of scamming people off of their money and we can avoid it right away unlike not knowing that they are scammers. You can help that way by creating scam accusation thread and to avoid having more victims. It is important to know if it's a legitimate casino or not and through SAT (scam acu thread) make people aware of it.

The thing is that in the video posted in the OP a guy "from the industry" is talking about another kind of "scam". It is more like "the Earth is flat, but they all tell you otherwise", that kind of "scam". It's about online casinos watching your every step, like they analyse your bets, your preferences ... and all that conspiracy theory stuff. It certainly attracts the attention of the general public, but it's a lie.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 14, 2023, 12:07:49 PM
Do you know that some people does not control their anger in gambling even when they are losing and then when they are also benefiting or having profit in gambling so I think about the best thing to do in the gambling is to follow the method and have in mind that it will result out good or bad so anything can happen during the process
That's not good for those who can't control their anger in gambling because it can trigger them to continue gambling. And it should be noted that if you play gambling with anger, you will not be able to accept defeat after defeat that you get and you can continue gambling without stopping unless your money is up. But it also won't stop you from gambling because you could deposit more money to recover from previous losses.

And if that's the case, you'll end up with nothing but losing more. You should lower your anger first until you are completely calm, then you can try playing gambling. And if you can control your emotions after one round, you might be able to enjoy the gambling game you are playing.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: South Park on March 16, 2023, 06:51:04 PM
Do you know that some people does not control their anger in gambling even when they are losing and then when they are also benefiting or having profit in gambling so I think about the best thing to do in the gambling is to follow the method and have in mind that it will result out good or bad so anything can happen during the process
That's not good for those who can't control their anger in gambling because it can trigger them to continue gambling. And it should be noted that if you play gambling with anger, you will not be able to accept defeat after defeat that you get and you can continue gambling without stopping unless your money is up. But it also won't stop you from gambling because you could deposit more money to recover from previous losses.

And if that's the case, you'll end up with nothing but losing more. You should lower your anger first until you are completely calm, then you can try playing gambling. And if you can control your emotions after one round, you might be able to enjoy the gambling game you are playing.
People do all kind of stuff when they are in a highly emotional state and it is important to not do anything until that state goes away, now I will admit that like every single person out there I get mad as this is the natural reaction of our brain when something does not go our way and we are extremely frustrated, but nothing good comes from allowing those feelings to control us, especially when we are gambling and we could lose all our capital on a single bet.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Mate2237 on March 16, 2023, 08:19:07 PM
That's why players stick to reviews or megathreads of casinos to see which ones are worthy over time. There are a few reputable reviewers here, like GOSU and GamblingBro that have reviewed casinos from time to time.

After all, gambling is all about luck and house edges hence it's a business for making money.
Yes, gamblers should investigate, make some research on any casino they interested to play both here and other online sites. GamblingBro is a very good site to review a legit casino. I also thought that gambling is a lucky game but some gamblers said it is skill game. If gamblers know how to play well them he would be winning everytime. And that is where the skill comes in.

Gambling is for making money but not all are there to make money some are just to pass time with friends. And one thing I know is that nobody is willing to lost or waste money like that so gambling is to make money while GAME which is the general name in most times for fun. I think there is different between gambling and game.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: virasisog on March 16, 2023, 08:38:33 PM
Do you know that some people does not control their anger in gambling even when they are losing and then when they are also benefiting or having profit in gambling so I think about the best thing to do in the gambling is to follow the method and have in mind that it will result out good or bad so anything can happen during the process
That's not good for those who can't control their anger in gambling because it can trigger them to continue gambling. And it should be noted that if you play gambling with anger, you will not be able to accept defeat after defeat that you get and you can continue gambling without stopping unless your money is up. But it also won't stop you from gambling because you could deposit more money to recover from previous losses.

And if that's the case, you'll end up with nothing but losing more. You should lower your anger first until you are completely calm, then you can try playing gambling. And if you can control your emotions after one round, you might be able to enjoy the gambling game you are playing.
People do all kind of stuff when they are in a highly emotional state and it is important to not do anything until that state goes away, now I will admit that like every single person out there I get mad as this is the natural reaction of our brain when something does not go our way and we are extremely frustrated, but nothing good comes from allowing those feelings to control us, especially when we are gambling and we could lose all our capital on a single bet.

If we let our emotions take control of our gambling journey, we will surely lose track. It is very important that we are capable of managing our emotions in gambling because it has a huge impact on our decision-making. Those who feel mad due to losses could have a bigger chance of losing more and in ending, they might only be blaming the casino for the result. We should be mindful of our every action and decision and focus on how gambling could entertain us. I think having the proper mindset from the beginning will be a big help.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Hamphser on March 16, 2023, 10:51:54 PM
Do you know that some people does not control their anger in gambling even when they are losing and then when they are also benefiting or having profit in gambling so I think about the best thing to do in the gambling is to follow the method and have in mind that it will result out good or bad so anything can happen during the process
That's not good for those who can't control their anger in gambling because it can trigger them to continue gambling. And it should be noted that if you play gambling with anger, you will not be able to accept defeat after defeat that you get and you can continue gambling without stopping unless your money is up. But it also won't stop you from gambling because you could deposit more money to recover from previous losses.

And if that's the case, you'll end up with nothing but losing more. You should lower your anger first until you are completely calm, then you can try playing gambling. And if you can control your emotions after one round, you might be able to enjoy the gambling game you are playing.
People do all kind of stuff when they are in a highly emotional state and it is important to not do anything until that state goes away, now I will admit that like every single person out there I get mad as this is the natural reaction of our brain when something does not go our way and we are extremely frustrated, but nothing good comes from allowing those feelings to control us, especially when we are gambling and we could lose all our capital on a single bet.
On the time that it do happens then most of us would really be throwing and pointing out fingers mainly on the house on which we would really be having those thoughts that they arent fair at all and all of possible accusations that you would be throwing against them.Its not a shocking reaction anymore on which this is commonly people would be doing on raising up issues on the time that they had lost that much.
This is why its really important that you should really be that prepared for whatever things that might happen considering that you are dealing with gambling where risks is on the roof.
Stick with reputable and known platforms on which you could assure about fairness, of course they are building a business and they cant just let anyone to be winners.  ;D


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Ryu_Ar1 on March 16, 2023, 11:06:46 PM
If we let our emotions take control of our gambling journey, we will surely lose track. It is very important that we are capable of managing our emotions in gambling because it has a huge impact on our decision-making. Those who feel mad due to losses could have a bigger chance of losing more and in ending, they might only be blaming the casino for the result. We should be mindful of our every action and decision and focus on how gambling could entertain us. I think having the proper mindset from the beginning will be a big help.
Cases like this often happen, regardless of anything, things like this are very difficult to prevent as long as we always rely on emotions in the game. In the end, as you said, blaming the site is one of the most common actions taken because it is considered to hinder victory, even though it is. is just an alibi to cover up our frustration because we put too much emotion in the game which in the end looks for scapegoats in losing gambling.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: QueenVera on March 17, 2023, 01:55:34 AM
If you think that the casino you're using is not fare enough in their activities and not been transparent as well to your taste and standard you're free to leave for another, but remember that you're not sure of where you're heading to as well because bo one is perfect, but we all were working towards perfection including you experiencing this, so why should you get bothered on something that's just not worth considering by some other people that gambles.

I don't think the OP is actually sure of the accusations but his only making assumptions and I could understand the area from which his coming from as at some points especially when one is rapidly or persistently making losses in a roll beyond all odds, one tends to think that the house isn't fair and this very cases are very much synonymous with tradings where one wins and sees nothing wrong with the broker but the moment the losses starts coming, one begins to think the broker isn't good enough and are scamming them which isn't fair enough.
So OP it will be better if you take out your time to actually analyze where the problem or losses are coming from then fixing it would have been more better rather than coming to get pitied out here.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: benalexis12 on March 17, 2023, 03:36:42 AM
That's why players stick to reviews or megathreads of casinos to see which ones are worthy over time. There are a few reputable reviewers here, like GOSU and GamblingBro that have reviewed casinos from time to time.

After all, gambling is all about luck and house edges hence it's a business for making money.
Yes, gamblers should investigate, make some research on any casino they interested to play both here and other online sites. GamblingBro is a very good site to review a legit casino. I also thought that gambling is a lucky game but some gamblers said it is skill game. If gamblers know how to play well them he would be winning everytime. And that is where the skill comes in.

Gambling is for making money but not all are there to make money some are just to pass time with friends. And one thing I know is that nobody is willing to lost or waste money like that so gambling is to make money while GAME which is the general name in most times for fun. I think there is different between gambling and game.

Indeed, but sometimes there are some gamblers forgetting this things to do it, because in their mind probably they are excited to play, or probably they are lazy to investigate it which is supposed to apply it first anyway. Moreover, nobodys perfect in terms of playing gamble in every casino,  all gamblers wanted to win even they come in just to have fun.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: xSkylarx on March 17, 2023, 05:49:36 AM
For sure, it was only done at the casino that he is working for, but we don't know if others do it too. There is a possibility that they are doing it as they have control over their system, and again, gambling is a business, so anyone wants to gain profit, and it involves money. Reviews and opinions from other gamblers play a big factor in this also because we can make sure that the platform we are playing on is fair, but again, gambling is for entertainment; just bet what you can afford to lose.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: slapper on March 17, 2023, 07:41:05 AM
Do you know that some people does not control their anger in gambling even when they are losing and then when they are also benefiting or having profit in gambling so I think about the best thing to do in the gambling is to follow the method and have in mind that it will result out good or bad so anything can happen during the process
That's not good for those who can't control their anger in gambling because it can trigger them to continue gambling. And it should be noted that if you play gambling with anger, you will not be able to accept defeat after defeat that you get and you can continue gambling without stopping unless your money is up. But it also won't stop you from gambling because you could deposit more money to recover from previous losses.

And if that's the case, you'll end up with nothing but losing more. You should lower your anger first until you are completely calm, then you can try playing gambling. And if you can control your emotions after one round, you might be able to enjoy the gambling game you are playing.
People do all kind of stuff when they are in a highly emotional state and it is important to not do anything until that state goes away, now I will admit that like every single person out there I get mad as this is the natural reaction of our brain when something does not go our way and we are extremely frustrated, but nothing good comes from allowing those feelings to control us, especially when we are gambling and we could lose all our capital on a single bet.
On the time that it do happens then most of us would really be throwing and pointing out fingers mainly on the house on which we would really be having those thoughts that they arent fair at all and all of possible accusations that you would be throwing against them.Its not a shocking reaction anymore on which this is commonly people would be doing on raising up issues on the time that they had lost that much.
This is why its really important that you should really be that prepared for whatever things that might happen considering that you are dealing with gambling where risks is on the roof.
Stick with reputable and known platforms on which you could assure about fairness, of course they are building a business and they cant just let anyone to be winners.  ;D
I comprehend! Losing and assuming the game is fixed is upsetting. You're right that preparation and respected sites are crucial. Online gaming requires study and a reliable site. I suggest sites licenced and governed by agencies like the Curacao e-Gaming Licencing Authority or Malta Gaming Authority. These sites must follow justice and openness standards, so your chances of gaining are not diminished.

But what's more exciting? New winning tactics! Martingale and Fibonacci gaming systems? These methods can maximise your money and profits. With the right strategy and some luck, you can improve your odds of winning. Don't give up—with the right outlook and strategy, you can win and have joy gambling!


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 17, 2023, 09:37:07 AM
Do you know that some people does not control their anger in gambling even when they are losing and then when they are also benefiting or having profit in gambling so I think about the best thing to do in the gambling is to follow the method and have in mind that it will result out good or bad so anything can happen during the process
That's not good for those who can't control their anger in gambling because it can trigger them to continue gambling. And it should be noted that if you play gambling with anger, you will not be able to accept defeat after defeat that you get and you can continue gambling without stopping unless your money is up. But it also won't stop you from gambling because you could deposit more money to recover from previous losses.

And if that's the case, you'll end up with nothing but losing more. You should lower your anger first until you are completely calm, then you can try playing gambling. And if you can control your emotions after one round, you might be able to enjoy the gambling game you are playing.
People do all kind of stuff when they are in a highly emotional state and it is important to not do anything until that state goes away, now I will admit that like every single person out there I get mad as this is the natural reaction of our brain when something does not go our way and we are extremely frustrated, but nothing good comes from allowing those feelings to control us, especially when we are gambling and we could lose all our capital on a single bet.
We may have experienced this before and been in a situation of not being able to control our emotions while gambling and I think that is normal. But by having a lot of experience in gambling, I think we will gradually be able to overcome the emotions that increase because of the losses we get.

So self-control is the most important thing we must have in any case, not just in gambling, so we can think long and not rush into decisions. And when we feel very angry because of our loss at gambling, we have to leave immediately before things end badly.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: swogerino on March 17, 2023, 10:12:43 AM

So self-control is the most important thing we must have in any case, not just in gambling, so we can think long and not rush into decisions. And when we feel very angry because of our loss at gambling, we have to leave immediately before things end badly.


That is the most difficult thing to do,when we are in our rage of losing money in gambling and I am talking when we are playing slot machines because in sport betting it is more easy to quit because they take more time as bets to develop (you have to wait for the game to end) but when in slot machines and we are in the middle of the biggest rage which come from our continuous losses it is extremely difficult to quit right there,usually we end up raising our bets and making false promises to ourselves that we will only hit the spin button just a couple of times more when in reality we keep hitting that button until every single penny is lost.

When one of us masters the art of leaving a slot machine in the middle of the rage he is saved from the worse endings that the people who continue to play face.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Westinhome on March 17, 2023, 10:38:58 AM
Most of the casino was based on the program.They will allow to win lesser amounts and make some loss at high level.I had mean this for the trusted website,this strategy was used by the worth ethics Gambling sites.Which target on the money as compared to the ethical things.And expecting the profit from the gambling is also not a good one.If you expect the fun from the gambling,the gambling will gives you fun.It also gives you the thrill on the game.Since you are using the real money,you should build your own tactics.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: speedy963 on March 17, 2023, 11:27:08 AM
If we let our emotions take control of our gambling journey, we will surely lose track. It is very important that we are capable of managing our emotions in gambling because it has a huge impact on our decision-making. Those who feel mad due to losses could have a bigger chance of losing more and in ending, they might only be blaming the casino for the result. We should be mindful of our every action and decision and focus on how gambling could entertain us. I think having the proper mindset from the beginning will be a big help.
Cases like this often happen, regardless of anything, things like this are very difficult to prevent as long as we always rely on emotions in the game. In the end, as you said, blaming the site is one of the most common actions taken because it is considered to hinder victory, even though it is. is just an alibi to cover up our frustration because we put too much emotion in the game which in the end looks for scapegoats in losing gambling.
Sometimes when you keep winning you tend to be too emotional while playing, just like what happened to me the other day. I was gambling for a measly amount of $5 and manage to make it into $2,000. I didn't stop there and continued playing, it reached $10,000 and was still enjoying the game, until I was on a lose streak and I only manage to stop when it reached $1,500. Though regrets followed me that night it was still a nice profit in the end.

Also when luck is smiling upon you, you must know when to gamble all the way, coz as far as I'm concern, luck also plays a big role when you are gambling.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Daltonik on March 17, 2023, 01:08:39 PM
While the video that the OP mentions talks about how the casino deceives players, there is an article with a similar title that talks about what tricks can be used to influence players, ranging from collecting information about the player's environment to manipulating the psyche and using false winnings techniques, I think it will be especially useful for people who have addiction from gambling.

What the Gambling Industry doesn’t want you to know (https://fairgambler.com/what-the-gambling-industry-doesnt-want-you-to-know/)


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Dunamisx on March 17, 2023, 02:36:03 PM
For sure, it was only done at the casino that he is working for, but we don't know if others do it too. There is a possibility that they are doing it as they have control over their system, and again, gambling is a business, so anyone wants to gain profit, and it involves money. Reviews and opinions from other gamblers play a big factor in this also because we can make sure that the platform we are playing on is fair, but again, gambling is for entertainment; just bet what you can afford to lose.

Why some gamblers give this kind of complain is probably because they are yet to understand gambling itself as a matter of fact, am not disputing that all casinos are quite good and reliable but some things were there just for us to understand why before making excuses about them, everyone will come and accuse one or two casinos but forgetting that they also have their own mistakes being done, they want to gamble but avoid the risk entirely which is sometimes inevitable by most gamblers to do without.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Helena Yu on March 17, 2023, 02:54:02 PM
they want to gamble but avoid the risk entirely which is sometimes inevitable by most gamblers to do without.
Gambling is always have a risk to lose, so it's really a wrong mindset if gambling is always will make money.

If you gamble on trusted and reliable casino, it doesn't mean you will make money because there's a RTP rate where it make you have lower chance to win since the house has higher chance to win.

Just gamble for fun, don't only chase to make money because it will make you not happy and keep blaming the casino when you're not get what you're want.

Since Bitcointalk is a free speech forum and DT members are active to reduce scammer, this forum is really a best to read honest and reliable reviews of the casino before anyone start to gamble.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: piebeyb on March 17, 2023, 03:20:59 PM
For sure, it was only done at the casino that he is working for, but we don't know if others do it too. There is a possibility that they are doing it as they have control over their system, and again, gambling is a business, so anyone wants to gain profit, and it involves money. Reviews and opinions from other gamblers play a big factor in this also because we can make sure that the platform we are playing on is fair, but again, gambling is for entertainment; just bet what you can afford to lose.
that is why anyone who gambles must be responsible so as not to become a gambling addict, control yourself in playing and never play gambling just to seek wealth or make it a permanent job that will lead anyone to lose more, so play and have fun gambling, the thing that needs to be understood is that if anyone feels that the casino is not fair enough for that then try playing betting on sports betting and others  ;)


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: len01 on March 17, 2023, 03:25:27 PM
If we let our emotions take control of our gambling journey, we will surely lose track. It is very important that we are capable of managing our emotions in gambling because it has a huge impact on our decision-making. Those who feel mad due to losses could have a bigger chance of losing more and in ending, they might only be blaming the casino for the result. We should be mindful of our every action and decision and focus on how gambling could entertain us. I think having the proper mindset from the beginning will be a big help.
Cases like this often happen, regardless of anything, things like this are very difficult to prevent as long as we always rely on emotions in the game. In the end, as you said, blaming the site is one of the most common actions taken because it is considered to hinder victory, even though it is. is just an alibi to cover up our frustration because we put too much emotion in the game which in the end looks for scapegoats in losing gambling.
gamblers who cannot control their emotions are usually gamblers who always chase defeat and they will continue to bet with their emotions until the defeat is achieved. whereas chasing defeat will only be a waste of time. the longer you stay in the casino, the more you lose.

well, finally gamblers who always bet with their emotions will lose all their money and valuables. After frustration and stress, he will blame the casino or accuse as if the casino cheated him, even though it was his own fault, too chasing defeat.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Awaklara on March 17, 2023, 03:27:52 PM
Most of the casino was based on the program.They will allow to win lesser amounts and make some loss at high level.I had mean this for the trusted website,this strategy was used by the worth ethics Gambling sites.Which target on the money as compared to the ethical things.And expecting the profit from the gambling is also not a good one.If you expect the fun from the gambling,the gambling will gives you fun.It also gives you the thrill on the game.Since you are using the real money,you should build your own tactics.
no matter how tactic it is, in a game at the casino there will be more chances for us to lose than to win. I guess every gambler knows that too. different maybe for those who bet on sports betting. everything is speculation but we can see an opportunity worth betting on.
Even though some people say they won big from casino games, I believe they still lose more than the money they win.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Odusko on March 17, 2023, 03:35:15 PM
That's why players stick to reviews or megathreads of casinos to see which ones are worthy over time. There are a few reputable reviewers here, like GOSU and GamblingBro that have reviewed casinos from time to time.

After all, gambling is all about luck and house edges hence it's a business for making money.
Yes, gamblers should investigate, make some research on any casino they interested to play both here and other online sites. GamblingBro is a very good site to review a legit casino. I also thought that gambling is a lucky game but some gamblers said it is skill game. If gamblers know how to play well them he would be winning everytime. And that is where the skill comes in.

Gambling is for making money but not all are there to make money some are just to pass time with friends. And one thing I know is that nobody is willing to lost or waste money like that so gambling is to make money while GAME which is the general name in most times for fun. I think there is a difference between gambling and game.
That is so thoughtful of you guys because I have read some comments that some gamblers make, source as their there to pass time and have fun, but nobody wants to lose even though while cashing fun, I agree the fact that gambling is based on luck and skills but then winning is the purpose of playing the games.
We may gain while playing and having fun, that is the best mindset of an active gambler.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Ryu_Ar1 on March 17, 2023, 07:07:12 PM
Cases like this often happen, regardless of anything, things like this are very difficult to prevent as long as we always rely on emotions in the game. In the end, as you said, blaming the site is one of the most common actions taken because it is considered to hinder victory, even though it is. is just an alibi to cover up our frustration because we put too much emotion in the game which in the end looks for scapegoats in losing gambling.
Sometimes when you keep winning you tend to be too emotional while playing, just like what happened to me the other day. I was gambling for a measly amount of $5 and manage to make it into $2,000. I didn't stop there and continued playing, it reached $10,000 and was still enjoying the game, until I was on a lose streak and I only manage to stop when it reached $1,500. Though regrets followed me that night it was still a nice profit in the end.

Also when luck is smiling upon you, you must know when to gamble all the way, coz as far as I'm concern, luck also plays a big role when you are gambling.
Things like this are definitely bound to happen because of course we as humans always want more and are greedy, especially when we have made a huge profit.
Regret is definitely there but that is not an answer I think because indeed if we only regret but without any changes things like that will definitely happen again and again. At least there must be lessons that can still be taken so that we have more positive conditions even though it is likely to be repeated in a not short time but with the conditions that have been experienced at least we can remember that greed will not have a positive impact in the end.
btw from $ 5 to $ 1500 is also still a big profit, congrats on your big win buddy.

Cases like this often happen, regardless of anything, things like this are very difficult to prevent as long as we always rely on emotions in the game. In the end, as you said, blaming the site is one of the most common actions taken because it is considered to hinder victory, even though it is. is just an alibi to cover up our frustration because we put too much emotion in the game which in the end looks for scapegoats in losing gambling.
gamblers who cannot control their emotions are usually gamblers who always chase defeat and they will continue to bet with their emotions until the defeat is achieved. whereas chasing defeat will only be a waste of time. the longer you stay in the casino, the more you lose.
I agree with this, lingering in the casino for both offline and online is the same in the end only for defeat even though we might have won before.
This is where you have to be aware because sometimes things like this escape our awareness. we stop not only when we lose but we must also try to apply to stop when we win.

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well, finally gamblers who always bet with their emotions will lose all their money and valuables. After frustration and stress, he will blame the casino or accuse as if the casino cheated him, even though it was his own fault, too chasing defeat.
This is where causes start to appear when we say we were trapped by gambling and feel cheated by it, even though we already had options before but we forgot so when we lose it's clear that there must be a scapegoat there to blame :D right?


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Eureka_07 on March 17, 2023, 07:13:20 PM
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Casinos work very similarly to amusement park games wherein you have higher odds of losing. Games are intentionally created with the slight advantage of the casino over the player because this is business. It costs to operate, maintain, and subscribe to game providers. They also tend to lose if player(s) can hit multiple big wins. This is why people should not see gambling as a source of income.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: danadc on March 17, 2023, 08:47:12 PM
Most of the casino was based on the program.They will allow to win lesser amounts and make some loss at high level.I had mean this for the trusted website,this strategy was used by the worth ethics Gambling sites.Which target on the money as compared to the ethical things.And expecting the profit from the gambling is also not a good one.If you expect the fun from the gambling,the gambling will gives you fun.It also gives you the thrill on the game.Since you are using the real money,you should build your own tactics.
I also believe that as a player you must build your own tactics , I have searched a lot on gambling pages , but there is no strategy that can be adapted to what I want, but there are no strategies that are functional with 100% effectiveness, I don't see something like that statistic,but it's normal because otherwise the casinos would go bankrupt, but there are players who don't play much, they only place their bets every 8 or 10 days but they make them with a Large amount of money, And so they win or lose, they don't care.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: RILWAN on March 17, 2023, 09:04:06 PM
Casinos are just like every other business and at they will easily set the system to support only themselves and protect the interest of the casino's revenue generation is the primary aim of casinos so at that it will be better if we have the mindset of losing to the house but not all the time.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: serjent05 on March 17, 2023, 09:48:11 PM
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Casinos work very similarly to amusement park games wherein you have higher odds of losing. Games are intentionally created with the slight advantage of the casino over the player because this is business. It costs to operate, maintain, and subscribe to game providers. They also tend to lose if player(s) can hit multiple big wins. This is why people should not see gambling as a source of income.

Gambling operators see gambling as a source of income and actually, it is a good source of income if we are the one hosting the gambling games.  As a player, I agree with you that we should think twice if we want gambling as our source of income because more often than not, we are bound to lose since there is a house edge that makes the house at an advantageous position especially when we are gambling in the long run.

But regardless, I still believe reputable casinos are not scamming us and don't lie about the provably fair thing.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: blockman on March 17, 2023, 09:50:49 PM
Casinos are just like every other business and at they will easily set the system to support only themselves and protect the interest of the casino's revenue generation is the primary aim of casinos so at that it will be better if we have the mindset of losing to the house but not all the time.
They're here to make money and business and that's why if there's a need to modify their algorithm from someone who's been winning against them, that should be changed for them per se. But to say that they're scamming us? This has become an expression of many frustrated gamblers every time they lose. We have to change this type of complain if we think that they're playing against us, we're gambling and you should be wary that you can really be frustrated through losing and that's the part where we can't change as this is a business setup for making money and not to let all of their players win with every game that they bet. There's fairness on this but we just know that the house always wins no matter how many good bettors are there that keeps on winning, there will always be those bettors that shall have the opposite result through losing.



Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 18, 2023, 01:39:40 AM

So self-control is the most important thing we must have in any case, not just in gambling, so we can think long and not rush into decisions. And when we feel very angry because of our loss at gambling, we have to leave immediately before things end badly.


That is the most difficult thing to do,when we are in our rage of losing money in gambling and I am talking when we are playing slot machines because in sport betting it is more easy to quit because they take more time as bets to develop (you have to wait for the game to end) but when in slot machines and we are in the middle of the biggest rage which come from our continuous losses it is extremely difficult to quit right there,usually we end up raising our bets and making false promises to ourselves that we will only hit the spin button just a couple of times more when in reality we keep hitting that button until every single penny is lost.

When one of us masters the art of leaving a slot machine in the middle of the rage he is saved from the worse endings that the people who continue to play face.
Yes, I think almost all slot players have experienced being in that situation and it's difficult to stop amid continuous losses because our emotions are provoked to keep playing and trying to recover from losses. But instead of being able to recover losses, we will be stuck in a very difficult condition to decide because there is a whisper in our ear that says that our next round must be lucky and that causes us not to want to stop even though we have experienced defeat before.

But when we have had a lot of experience in that situation, we can try to calm down and maybe a glass of water can reduce the tension caused by the defeat and the mounting emotions. And if the tension can decrease after drinking the water, we better think about stopping immediately to reduce the losses that can get bigger.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Reatim on March 18, 2023, 01:51:01 AM
Casinos are just like every other business and at they will easily set the system to support only themselves and protect the interest of the casino's revenue generation is the primary aim of casinos so at that it will be better if we have the mindset of losing to the house but not all the time.
it is not easy to set a system in a casino business mate because this is full of important skills and knowledge to conduct , because if this is just like other business to set up then maybe half of us here are having a casino business now.
but what you have said is correct that only the generation of money is what they are concerned and just a bit for the players concern.
money will always be the main purpose as like what all business is.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: speedy963 on March 18, 2023, 03:01:00 AM
Cases like this often happen, regardless of anything, things like this are very difficult to prevent as long as we always rely on emotions in the game. In the end, as you said, blaming the site is one of the most common actions taken because it is considered to hinder victory, even though it is. is just an alibi to cover up our frustration because we put too much emotion in the game which in the end looks for scapegoats in losing gambling.
Sometimes when you keep winning you tend to be too emotional while playing, just like what happened to me the other day. I was gambling for a measly amount of $5 and manage to make it into $2,000. I didn't stop there and continued playing, it reached $10,000 and was still enjoying the game, until I was on a lose streak and I only manage to stop when it reached $1,500. Though regrets followed me that night it was still a nice profit in the end.

Also when luck is smiling upon you, you must know when to gamble all the way, coz as far as I'm concern, luck also plays a big role when you are gambling.
Things like this are definitely bound to happen because of course we as humans always want more and are greedy, especially when we have made a huge profit.
Regret is definitely there but that is not an answer I think because indeed if we only regret but without any changes things like that will definitely happen again and again. At least there must be lessons that can still be taken so that we have more positive conditions even though it is likely to be repeated in a not short time but with the conditions that have been experienced at least we can remember that greed will not have a positive impact in the end.
btw from $ 5 to $ 1500 is also still a big profit, congrats on your big win buddy.

Cases like this often happen, regardless of anything, things like this are very difficult to prevent as long as we always rely on emotions in the game. In the end, as you said, blaming the site is one of the most common actions taken because it is considered to hinder victory, even though it is. is just an alibi to cover up our frustration because we put too much emotion in the game which in the end looks for scapegoats in losing gambling.
gamblers who cannot control their emotions are usually gamblers who always chase defeat and they will continue to bet with their emotions until the defeat is achieved. whereas chasing defeat will only be a waste of time. the longer you stay in the casino, the more you lose.
I agree with this, lingering in the casino for both offline and online is the same in the end only for defeat even though we might have won before.
This is where you have to be aware because sometimes things like this escape our awareness. we stop not only when we lose but we must also try to apply to stop when we win.

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well, finally gamblers who always bet with their emotions will lose all their money and valuables. After frustration and stress, he will blame the casino or accuse as if the casino cheated him, even though it was his own fault, too chasing defeat.
This is where causes start to appear when we say we were trapped by gambling and feel cheated by it, even though we already had options before but we forgot so when we lose it's clear that there must be a scapegoat there to blame :D right?
Thanks for the kind words. Still there're lingering regrets I have but only a little bit, coz what would've happen if I wasn't greedy that night right? or what could've I've done if I let my emotions get the better of me? Well, as you've said in the end it is still a nice profit and would love to experience it once more, but somehow I'm hesitating coz I'm sure it wont ever be the same like last time, and what would be the result if by doing small bets all my accumulated loss would equal to the amount I won from that night? it would look like I didn't gain anything. I'll just try again but I wont expect too much, maybe I'll get lucky.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Betwrong on March 18, 2023, 10:37:35 AM
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well, finally gamblers who always bet with their emotions will lose all their money and valuables. After frustration and stress, he will blame the casino or accuse as if the casino cheated him, even though it was his own fault, too chasing defeat.

I agree that it is very likely that at some point such gamblers will lose everything, but let's not forget that it is not guaranteed. First off, what time period we are talking about? If it's a several hours long one gambling session, I definitely want to object. But if its months of continuous gambling, I mean, 10-12 hours per day, then, yes, it is almost guaranteed that you will lose all your money, even if no one is scamming you or something.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on March 18, 2023, 11:32:30 AM
Casinos are just like every other business and at they will easily set the system to support only themselves and protect the interest of the casino's revenue generation is the primary aim of casinos so at that it will be better if we have the mindset of losing to the house but not all the time.
Well, I disagree with you mate, understand that casinos are not responsible for some of the games we play, most especially, sports betting, if casinos programed their system to only win and never loose, most of the casinos wouldn't support sports betting since they will likely loose their money to the bettor when ever the bettor is right with their bet, or maybe they could refuse to pay whenever the gambler wins his or her bet.

In conclusion, most casinos do offer their users a provably fair casino gaming, which simply means its not in their hand to determine who wins or loses while playing their casino games, though this does not dispute the fact that  there are still some scam casinos that find a way to tweak their system in  a way that gamblers keep losing money, but understand this is not something that is general with casinos, like i said, its some, and such casinos should be avoided whenever gamblers discover them.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Maslate on March 18, 2023, 12:06:46 PM
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well, finally gamblers who always bet with their emotions will lose all their money and valuables. After frustration and stress, he will blame the casino or accuse as if the casino cheated him, even though it was his own fault, too chasing defeat.

I agree that it is very likely that at some point such gamblers will lose everything, but let's not forget that it is not guaranteed. First off, what time period we are talking about? If it's a several hours long one gambling session, I definitely want to object. But if its months of continuous gambling, I mean, 10-12 hours per day, then, yes, it is almost guaranteed that you will lose all your money, even if no one is scamming you or something.

It's simple logic - casinos have the house edge, so regardless of how many hours you are gambling, you will still lose in the long run. You don't count your wins and losses per day but your overall performance. So, if you really want to know how you are doing, you need to record your ins and outs so you can calculate if you are in profit or not.

This is gambling, that's why it's called entertainment - just for us not to feel bad when we lose. But if we are ambitious enough to think we can make a living in gambling, then we should understand the risk.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: nimogsm on March 18, 2023, 01:41:20 PM
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Casinos work very similarly to amusement park games wherein you have higher odds of losing. Games are intentionally created with the slight advantage of the casino over the player because this is business. It costs to operate, maintain, and subscribe to game providers. They also tend to lose if player(s) can hit multiple big wins. This is why people should not see gambling as a source of income.
You are absolutely right.I like the amusement park comparison sounds cool.For me personally the game should be fun in the first place,I don’t think about the source of profit if something turns out to win, it’s like a nice bonus and nothing more. For me, gambling is just like a hobby and spending time with pleasure.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Sanitough on March 18, 2023, 02:49:02 PM
Casinos are just like every other business and at they will easily set the system to support only themselves and protect the interest of the casino's revenue generation is the primary aim of casinos so at that it will be better if we have the mindset of losing to the house but not all the time.
Accepting reality allows us to be realistic all the time. The problem for some of us is that we think we can beat the casino. That's why when we lose, we tend to become emotional and cannot accept it. Chasing our losses can lead to losing everything we have, especially if we gamble what we cannot afford to lose.

In gambling, winning is not an everyday occurrence. That's why it's important to control our emotions, especially when we experience losses, as regrets often follow. If we cannot learn from our mistakes, we should not blame the casino for scamming us because that is unfair.

My opinion is based on the assumption that we are talking about a legitimate casino.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: m2017 on March 18, 2023, 03:07:44 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video: https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M
I don't think that the casinos are openly deceiving us, that is, such conditions are created that it is almost impossible to win. Is it some kind of scam if you yourself bring money to them and leave money with them? Then don't play by their rules, that is, don't gamble in the casino at all.

Purely technically, nothing prevents the casino from pushing players to lose. In general, this whole industry is aimed at making players lose and enrich the casino. So they have clear motives to cheat in every possible way and without the players knowing it.

Is it really? It’s easier for me not to even try to check, because I realize at the expense of whose money the casino operates and I don’t want mine to be among it.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: tusandii on March 18, 2023, 03:22:18 PM
This is gambling, that's why it's called entertainment - just for us not to feel bad when we lose. But if we are ambitious enough to think we can make a living in gambling, then we should understand the risk.
There are lots of assumptions about gambling, some call it entertainment and fun, some really expect big things from gambling or use gambling as their place to make a living.
But it all depends on the gamblers themselves because everyone has their own goals and ways of thinking.
Not only when you have the ambition to make a living, but for fun entertainment, you also have to understand the risks because in gambling we use money to be able to play, so financial management is very important and needed by gambling players.
Usually those who are really involved in gambling will be able to accept and be responsible for all the risks that will occur.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Eternad on March 18, 2023, 03:29:54 PM
Usually those who are really involved in gambling will be able to accept and be responsible for all the risks that will occur.

This is not the reality, Most of the people that heavily involved in gambling loss their funds and even life savings on worst case. Only streamers manage to play gambling extravagantly due to their partnership to the casino that gives them extra credit to play and endorse gambling games.

Most of the addicted gambler know the risk but they usually ignores it by keep betting in the quest to get rich.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: traderethereum on March 18, 2023, 03:37:55 PM
Casinos work very similarly to amusement park games wherein you have higher odds of losing. Games are intentionally created with the slight advantage of the casino over the player because this is business. It costs to operate, maintain, and subscribe to game providers. They also tend to lose if player(s) can hit multiple big wins. This is why people should not see gambling as a source of income.
You are absolutely right.I like the amusement park comparison sounds cool.For me personally the game should be fun in the first place,I don’t think about the source of profit if something turns out to win, it’s like a nice bonus and nothing more. For me, gambling is just like a hobby and spending time with pleasure.
That's great if you can think of gambling as entertainment so you don't focus on chasing victory but only enjoy gambling games.
So whatever the result, we can accept it well and have no regrets because, for example, we lose.
We already realize that in gambling, there are only wins and losses, so we will not cross that line.
If people could think of gambling as entertainment, surely they would be fine and the number of addicts who are addicted to gambling could decrease.
But sadly, that's hard to be true because some people they think of gambling as a way to get quick money when it's not.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: erep on March 18, 2023, 05:12:02 PM
We already realize that in gambling, there are only wins and losses, so we will not cross that line.
If people could think of gambling as entertainment, surely they would be fine and the number of addicts who are addicted to gambling could decrease.
But sadly, that's hard to be true because some people they think of gambling as a way to get quick money when it's not.
So any facts found in the gambling system according to the OP's statement are based on video reviews from YouTube, but we agree with your discussion above that we place gambling only as entertainment and not passive income, so we choose sports gambling because pure winnings are determined based on match scores and not from the casino system.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Daltonik on March 19, 2023, 10:09:57 AM
We already realize that in gambling, there are only wins and losses, so we will not cross that line.
If people could think of gambling as entertainment, surely they would be fine and the number of addicts who are addicted to gambling could decrease.
But sadly, that's hard to be true because some people they think of gambling as a way to get quick money when it's not.
So any facts found in the gambling system according to the OP's statement are based on video reviews from YouTube, but we agree with your discussion above that we place gambling only as entertainment and not passive income, so we choose sports gambling because pure winnings are determined based on match scores and not from the casino system.

Yes, but bookmakers sometimes cheat, as well as the sports clubs themselves involved in match-fixing, you can also lose your money in sports betting as well as in online casino slot machines, provided that you really strive for a quick income.

Well, of course, if you do it moderately and under the mood, then yes, it can be fun.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: wiss19 on March 20, 2023, 05:24:01 PM
Casinos are just like every other business and at they will easily set the system to support only themselves and protect the interest of the casino's revenue generation is the primary aim of casinos so at that it will be better if we have the mindset of losing to the house but not all the time.
it is not easy to set a system in a casino business mate because this is full of important skills and knowledge to conduct , because if this is just like other business to set up then maybe half of us here are having a casino business now.
but what you have said is correct that only the generation of money is what they are concerned and just a bit for the players concern.
money will always be the main purpose as like what all business is.
What do you guys actually expect? Should casinos let themselves go bankrupt and out of business? They wouldn't do that, and to be honest, casinos don't hide the fact that they have an advantage over the players, they call it the house edge and almost every casino has it, for some, it is quite lower while for others it's higher. It also differs from every other game that you play in a casino.

So the house definitely has an edge over the gamblers, and almost every gambler understands this they still gamble because this isn't considered cheating if they are open about it as it is a part of the business.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Desmong on March 20, 2023, 09:37:47 PM
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Casinos work very similarly to amusement park games wherein you have higher odds of losing. Games are intentionally created with the slight advantage of the casino over the player because this is business. It costs to operate, maintain, and subscribe to game providers. They also tend to lose if player(s) can hit multiple big wins. This is why people should not see gambling as a source of income.
There are so many people that have been making money from gambling and this is not the first time, the major problem some persons are making is being too greedy. Greediness had made many gamblers to lose a lots of money from casinos because of this and that is why we need to be prepared and do the right thing to make money from gambling.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Ebede on March 20, 2023, 09:39:06 PM
I don't see gambling as scam because the selection you make for instance in sports bet is what you get if the outcome favours your selection unless if you are been deprived the opportunity to withdraw your money when you mean but in real sense gambling is not a scam and it can never be one.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Ebede on March 20, 2023, 09:44:13 PM
Gambling is a choice less we forgot that this companies are register with the appropriate authority of the particular country/state invloved so less not make this a major case here but is worth knowing that gambling as it stands has rules and those rules is been mapped out by individual gambling company.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Desmong on March 20, 2023, 10:24:56 PM
Gambling is a choice less we forgot that this companies are register with the appropriate authority of the particular country/state invloved so less not make this a major case here but is worth knowing that gambling as it stands has rules and those rules is been mapped out by individual gambling company.
We all have a choice to select and choose any casino that we want and losing a bet does not mean that we are going to be losing forever. Improvement is the key since luck does not work for anybody. Those who have luck had already worked from it and them using it to make more money is from there efforts they have made. In fact all of us can not be a winner as a gambler.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Newlifebtc on March 20, 2023, 10:32:06 PM
Gambling is a choice less we forgot that this companies are register with the appropriate authority of the particular country/state invloved so less not make this a major case here but is worth knowing that gambling as it stands has rules and those rules is been mapped out by individual gambling company.
We all have a choice to select and choose any casino that we want and losing a bet does not mean that we are going to be losing forever. Improvement is the key since luck does not work for anybody. Those who have luck had already worked from it and them using it to make more money is from there efforts they have made. In fact all of us can not be a winner as a gambler.
it is not mandatory that everybody must to make use of one casino game in order to play whatever time you want to play which is 13 or because of we know it very well and we'll have mustard such a particular casino that is why every person have the right to select any casino he wish


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: NicNacCoin on March 20, 2023, 11:01:48 PM
OP I clearly understood what you said. In fact there are many bets depending on which bets are fixed in some cases. Like wrestling game it depends on betting I think it is fixing. Then the wrestling game is probably fixing depending on the size of the bet. But you and all of us who are involved in gambling should bet on all the sports betting available. Then there will definitely be no possibility of cheating. However, gamblers never gamble with these things in mind. Gambling is a game entirely based on luck. With good luck you can definitely win from here.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Lanatsa on March 20, 2023, 11:59:10 PM
Gambling is a choice less we forgot that this companies are register with the appropriate authority of the particular country/state invloved so less not make this a major case here but is worth knowing that gambling as it stands has rules and those rules is been mapped out by individual gambling company.
We all have a choice to select and choose any casino that we want and losing a bet does not mean that we are going to be losing forever. Improvement is the key since luck does not work for anybody. Those who have luck had already worked from it and them using it to make more money is from there efforts they have made. In fact all of us can not be a winner as a gambler.
it is not mandatory that everybody must to make use of one casino game in order to play whatever time you want to play which is 13 or because of we know it very well and we'll have mustard such a particular casino that is why every person have the right to select any casino he wish
Always falls down on someones preference and since we do make use of our own money then it is really that our right on which place we would tend to stay up.It does really vary and speaking about gambling platforms then we do know that not all would really be that legit and truly that honest with their motives and this is why it would really be just that ideal and wise if we do really stick up into places on which
we do know that it does have that right reputation and credibility. Speaking about fairness then you can somewhat assure that you are on the right place if there would be lots of
people who had been staying on these platforms.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: tusandii on March 21, 2023, 12:54:43 AM
Usually those who are really involved in gambling will be able to accept and be responsible for all the risks that will occur.

This is not the reality, Most of the people that heavily involved in gambling loss their funds and even life savings on worst case. Only streamers manage to play gambling extravagantly due to their partnership to the casino that gives them extra credit to play and endorse gambling games.

Most of the addicted gambler know the risk but they usually ignores it by keep betting in the quest to get rich.
In gambling, it is clear to always bet as much as possible and there is no need to overdo it. If gamblers bet using their life savings, then obviously this is an inappropriate action so that it will only make it difficult for themselves in the future.
I said that as a gambler, you must be responsible and be able to accept all risks and that is true, all gamblers will definitely accept the risk.
Are you unable to think further ahead, with a gambling addict realizing and ignoring the risks to continue betting in the hope of getting wealth it's the same they can accept the risks that will occur because if they can't be responsible and accept the risks then it's impossible to be able to continue betting in gambling.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: traderethereum on March 21, 2023, 01:40:22 AM
We already realize that in gambling, there are only wins and losses, so we will not cross that line.
If people could think of gambling as entertainment, surely they would be fine and the number of addicts who are addicted to gambling could decrease.
But sadly, that's hard to be true because some people they think of gambling as a way to get quick money when it's not.
So any facts found in the gambling system according to the OP's statement are based on video reviews from YouTube, but we agree with your discussion above that we place gambling only as entertainment and not passive income, so we choose sports gambling because pure winnings are determined based on match scores and not from the casino system.
And we don't have to believe in the reviews on the website or social media like Youtube and others because that's not necessarily true.
We should look for casino sites from this forum which can be a place to enjoy playing gambling moments.
Maybe some casinos will be fraudulent, but as long as we can be careful in choosing the casino, we can avoid being scammed.
And I agree that just to make gambling entertaining and not think gambling is for passive income.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: xSkylarx on March 21, 2023, 01:57:10 AM
OP I clearly understood what you said. In fact there are many bets depending on which bets are fixed in some cases. Like wrestling game it depends on betting I think it is fixing. Then the wrestling game is probably fixing depending on the size of the bet. But you and all of us who are involved in gambling should bet on all the sports betting available. Then there will definitely be no possibility of cheating. However, gamblers never gamble with these things in mind. Gambling is a game entirely based on luck. With good luck you can definitely win from here.

Nah, he means that they are trying to analyze your bets and make you lose. Let's say you are playing crash games and you are always winning in 2.xx below in some time and they check that you already won a lot, so they will be altering their algorithm to make you lose in one bet and mostly when your betting huge. Though I don't have hard proof on this, I can feel something wrong, mostly when I keep winning.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: BobK71 on March 21, 2023, 05:29:43 AM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video: https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M
Casino will try how to get money from clients and the client will think how to earn money from the casino. However, the gambling will be a condition in the demands of the two. Who will win the game will get the money. And this is very clear concept. But if some casino sites try to violate the rules for corruption, it is different issue. Those who have achieved good reputation in the casino platform they will not do anything like corruption. But if many new casinos brings dishonest enthusiasm, such an image can be seen but these issues are often hidden.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: btc78 on March 21, 2023, 06:41:36 AM
Gambling is a choice less we forgot that this companies are register with the appropriate authority of the particular country/state invloved so less not make this a major case here but is worth knowing that gambling as it stands has rules and those rules is been mapped out by individual gambling company.
We all have a choice to select and choose any casino that we want and losing a bet does not mean that we are going to be losing forever. Improvement is the key since luck does not work for anybody. Those who have luck had already worked from it and them using it to make more money is from there efforts they have made. In fact all of us can not be a winner as a gambler.
it is not mandatory that everybody must to make use of one casino game in order to play whatever time you want to play which is 13 or because of we know it very well and we'll have mustard such a particular casino that is why every person have the right to select any casino he wish
why come to this conversation ? have you literally read the topic? or you are just posting to count for weekly obligation?
better tell these words to the victim of your scam site in signature .
OP I clearly understood what you said. In fact there are many bets depending on which bets are fixed in some cases. Like wrestling game it depends on betting I think it is fixing. Then the wrestling game is probably fixing depending on the size of the bet. But you and all of us who are involved in gambling should bet on all the sports betting available. Then there will definitely be no possibility of cheating. However, gamblers never gamble with these things in mind. Gambling is a game entirely based on luck. With good luck you can definitely win from here.

Nah, he means that they are trying to analyze your bets and make you lose. Let's say you are playing crash games and you are always winning in 2.xx below in some time and they check that you already won a lot, so they will be altering their algorithm to make you lose in one bet and mostly when your betting huge. Though I don't have hard proof on this, I can feel something wrong, mostly when I keep winning.
and that is how scam site works , changing their algorithm just to fool the players and take the win against Him?


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on March 21, 2023, 07:45:11 AM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video: https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M

I think this is something that I am not shocked to know since online gambling can be manipulated since there is a system that you do not fully understand how it works. Online gambling sites could probably use these tactics of making hard for the players to win since they want them to feel the adrenaline of losing so that they would want to play more. Also, these companies want to earn, and making it online makes it easier to manipulate and be susceptible to tricks. So, I think this is the reality with the online gambling scene.



Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Ben Barubal on March 21, 2023, 09:06:09 AM
Gambling is a choice less we forgot that this companies are register with the appropriate authority of the particular country/state invloved so less not make this a major case here but is worth knowing that gambling as it stands has rules and those rules is been mapped out by individual gambling company.
We all have a choice to select and choose any casino that we want and losing a bet does not mean that we are going to be losing forever. Improvement is the key since luck does not work for anybody. Those who have luck had already worked from it and them using it to make more money is from there efforts they have made. In fact all of us can not be a winner as a gambler.
it is not mandatory that everybody must to make use of one casino game in order to play whatever time you want to play which is 13 or because of we know it very well and we'll have mustard such a particular casino that is why every person have the right to select any casino he wish
Always falls down on someones preference and since we do make use of our own money then it is really that our right on which place we would tend to stay up.It does really vary and speaking about gambling platforms then we do know that not all would really be that legit and truly that honest with their motives and this is why it would really be just that ideal and wise if we do really stick up into places on which
we do know that it does have that right reputation and credibility. Speaking about fairness then you can somewhat assure that you are on the right place if there would be lots of
people who had been staying on these platforms.

      In other words, we should always consider the implementation of DYOR so that we are not fooled into thinking in the end that we have nothing to fight against or sue a casino that turns out to be Fraud.

      It is still different that we will play in a casino that has been tested in this industry and there are really many gamblers who play such as stakescom, Duelbits, Fortune jack, Rollbit and other gambling platforms that can be found here in the forum.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: EarnOnVictor on March 21, 2023, 02:26:33 PM
Casinos are just like every other business and at they will easily set the system to support only themselves and protect the interest of the casino's revenue generation is the primary aim of casinos so at that it will be better if we have the mindset of losing to the house but not all the time.
it is not easy to set a system in a casino business mate because this is full of important skills and knowledge to conduct , because if this is just like other business to set up then maybe half of us here are having a casino business now.
but what you have said is correct that only the generation of money is what they are concerned and just a bit for the players concern.
money will always be the main purpose as like what all business is.
What do you guys actually expect? Should casinos let themselves go bankrupt and out of business? They wouldn't do that, and to be honest, casinos don't hide the fact that they have an advantage over the players, they call it the house edge and almost every casino has it, for some, it is quite lower while for others it's higher. It also differs from every other game that you play in a casino.

So the house definitely has an edge over the gamblers, and almost every gambler understands this they still gamble because this isn't considered cheating if they are open about it as it is a part of the business.
It's not everybody that knows the fact that casinos can't be beaten, many believe they can be so rich through it and even make them bankrupt. But experience later convince them. If more people know that casinos can't be beaten and will be difficult to make any money from them, the patronage will be so little as they wouldn't even have tried it at all since it's a trap.

The naivety of many people makes them continue to play, and some with big money, but how many could vouch that they are winning than losing? It will be slim, which is why I like sportsbooks if you want to be fairly treated and gamble reasonably if you know your selection.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Victorybit1 on March 21, 2023, 04:21:15 PM
There is a particular gambling site I stumbled on. It was so obvious that they where manipulating the whole process. Some are programmed to favour only them but there are good number of gambling site that favours the players as well.

Always stake what you can afford to loss.

This is a business and sole aim of business is to make profit.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Dunamisx on March 21, 2023, 04:25:53 PM
Gambling is a choice less we forgot that this companies are register with the appropriate authority of the particular country/state invloved so less not make this a major case here but is worth knowing that gambling as it stands has rules and those rules is been mapped out by individual gambling company.

Nothing like they are scamming us when it is you by yourself that took yourself to them and chose them as your preferred casino, gambling is not by force, we decide where, which and how we do it, it's a creativity with fun, a series of events that should be pleasurable for us and if we detect any bug concerning a casino it's our duty to report such or take a leave from using such, that's why you gamble while your money is being involved in other for you to create value in what you're doing.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: maydna on March 21, 2023, 04:34:03 PM
There is a particular gambling site I stumbled on. It was so obvious that they where manipulating the whole process. Some are programmed to favour only them but there are good number of gambling site that favours the players as well.

Always stake what you can afford to loss.

This is a business and sole aim of business is to make profit.

Perhaps, there is some truth to it, but we should also be able to protect ourselves from these fraudulent gambling sites so that the casino does not fool us. But sadly, some people still end up being scammed by those scam casinos because they are tempted to get offers that are too good to be true. People don't see that they have exceeded their limits and continue gambling. This makes them fall for the scam and can't get their deposit money back because the casino doesn't want to know what happened to them. The casino only knows that their member has violated the rules and the casino closes the account.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on March 21, 2023, 04:34:51 PM
There is a particular gambling site I stumbled on. It was so obvious that they where manipulating the whole process. Some are programmed to favour only them but there are good number of gambling site that favours the players as well.

Always stake what you can afford to loss.

This is a business and sole aim of business is to make profit.

Exactly, this is one thing some gamblers fail to realize, they wrongly assume or see online casinos as an easy way to make money, forgetting that online casinos are running a business, and the sole purpose of running a business is to make profit.

I am an advocate of fairness for the gamblers and the casino, but the reality remains that, there are some casinos that would never want to play fair, even at the detriment of their reputation.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Betwrong on March 21, 2023, 04:44:55 PM
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It's simple logic - casinos have the house edge, so regardless of how many hours you are gambling, you will still lose in the long run. You don't count your wins and losses per day but your overall performance. So, if you really want to know how you are doing, you need to record your ins and outs so you can calculate if you are in profit or not. ~

Casinos have the house edge, yes. Does that guarantee that you, as an individual, will lose "in the long run"? It depends on what "in the long run" means. In a thousand years of constant gambling - very likely. Within 20-30 years, I don't think so. I mean, you can lose all you have within one hour, but if we are talking about what is guaranteed, then, no, the house edge does not have as much power as is attributed to it by some gamblers.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: TheGreatPython on March 21, 2023, 05:44:12 PM
So any facts found in the gambling system according to the OP's statement are based on video reviews from YouTube, but we agree with your discussion above that we place gambling only as entertainment and not passive income, so we choose sports gambling because pure winnings are determined based on match scores and not from the casino system.
Yes, but bookmakers sometimes cheat, as well as the sports clubs themselves involved in match-fixing, you can also lose your money in sports betting as well as in online casino slot machines, provided that you really strive for a quick income.

Well, of course, if you do it moderately and under the mood, then yes, it can be fun.
You will definitely lose the money that you are destined to lose, no matter what you do, and if you are supposed to win, you will win even if there is an attempt to cheat by the bookmaker or anyone. We all know and understand that sports betting is more dependent on research and analysis than luck, but we also know that it is a part of gambling, and there is no win in gambling if there's no luck at all.

I think a bookmaker who cheats will eventually be out of business as they can't really hide that forever, and once they get success in cheating, they will definitely do it multiple times again and will be caught sooner or later. And the teams or clubs that get involved in match-fixing are also ruined slowly because we have seen in the past that no cheater can hide in the dark forever and they will have to be exposed some day.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: danadc on March 21, 2023, 10:06:29 PM
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It's simple logic - casinos have the house edge, so regardless of how many hours you are gambling, you will still lose in the long run. You don't count your wins and losses per day but your overall performance. So, if you really want to know how you are doing, you need to record your ins and outs so you can calculate if you are in profit or not. ~

Casinos have the house edge, yes. Does that guarantee that you, as an individual, will lose "in the long run"? It depends on what "in the long run" means. In a thousand years of constant gambling - very likely. Within 20-30 years, I don't think so. I mean, you can lose all you have within one hour, but if we are talking about what is guaranteed, then, no, the house edge does not have as much power as is attributed to it by some gamblers.

That means that as long as we play what we are sure of is losing, because I don't think Anyone is going to play 20-30 years in a row every day, because they would have to have a lot of money or unless they make bets every day for Less than 1 dollar, And even though it is possible, it is very sad, what a player has in money can be Multiplied in a matter of seconds, what I think he Meant there is that even though he plays for a long time, that is, at 3-4 hours the probability is to lose.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: blockman on March 21, 2023, 10:46:27 PM
There is a particular gambling site I stumbled on. It was so obvious that they where manipulating the whole process. Some are programmed to favour only them but there are good number of gambling site that favours the players as well.

Always stake what you can afford to loss.

This is a business and sole aim of business is to make profit.

All gambling sites are favoring themselves, if they'll favor the gamblers then that means that at least they're giving some shot to their players. But that's nothing new, as all of them that has got a good reputation in the community do share the same chances that they provide to each of their players. It's a business as many have said and they need to make money but at the same time, it doesn't mean that they'll go wholly zero with the chances that they give to their players. Many still wins in casinos and they're go unnoticed because they just don't want to expose themselves but it's also known that, many are losing and that situation and result is very common for most gamblers.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: michellee on March 22, 2023, 10:12:42 AM
That means that as long as we play what we are sure of is losing, because I don't think Anyone is going to play 20-30 years in a row every day, because they would have to have a lot of money or unless they make bets every day for Less than 1 dollar, And even though it is possible, it is very sad, what a player has in money can be Multiplied in a matter of seconds, what I think he Meant there is that even though he plays for a long time, that is, at 3-4 hours the probability is to lose.
It is possible to do it but they need to have very strong self-control to keep limiting themselves in gambling. Maybe they make less than 1 dollar bets and only play one type of game. But it will be difficult to stay within the same limits every day for 20-30 years and almost impossible to do so even if someone does. But if he plays 3-4 hours, he may lose a large amount because no one knows when we can win. And we can only keep trying to play while hoping we can win in the next round.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: BVeyron on March 22, 2023, 04:33:09 PM
That means that as long as we play what we are sure of is losing, because I don't think Anyone is going to play 20-30 years in a row every day, because they would have to have a lot of money or unless they make bets every day for Less than 1 dollar, And even though it is possible, it is very sad, what a player has in money can be Multiplied in a matter of seconds, what I think he Meant there is that even though he plays for a long time, that is, at 3-4 hours the probability is to lose.
It is possible to do it but they need to have very strong self-control to keep limiting themselves in gambling. Maybe they make less than 1 dollar bets and only play one type of game. But it will be difficult to stay within the same limits every day for 20-30 years and almost impossible to do so even if someone does. But if he plays 3-4 hours, he may lose a large amount because no one knows when we can win. And we can only keep trying to play while hoping we can win in the next round.

Yeah, it's the core thing about all the gambling process. Next round... Avoiding next round when you win is a bit hard, but possible, but everything goes much worse with attempts to avoid next round when you lose. Especially novice gamblers don't fully realize this.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: redsun114 on March 22, 2023, 05:08:31 PM
This is gambling, that's why it's called entertainment - just for us not to feel bad when we lose. But if we are ambitious enough to think we can make a living in gambling, then we should understand the risk.
There are lots of assumptions about gambling, some call it entertainment and fun, some really expect big things from gambling or use gambling as their place to make a living.
But it all depends on the gamblers themselves because everyone has their own goals and ways of thinking.
Not only when you have the ambition to make a living, but for fun entertainment, you also have to understand the risks because in gambling we use money to be able to play, so financial management is very important and needed by gambling players.
Usually those who are really involved in gambling will be able to accept and be responsible for all the risks that will occur.
If all want you want is to get entertained, you can still play the game without making any deposit. Some sites allows you to play with zero balance, there is also faucet, play money and lastly demo mode. Faucet is better among them because if you get lucky you can withdraw your winnings straight in your crypto wallet.

There are players who prefer to use real money. If this was the case then yeah they will need to manage their bankroll properly so that they can get achieve the satisfaction that they want and won't end up busted quickly making them to deposit again because they haven't get enough yet. Gamblers are responsible for their actions but there are still gamblers who ended up blaming the casino and the end when their lives gets destroyed by it.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: slapper on March 22, 2023, 07:18:51 PM
There is a particular gambling site I stumbled on. It was so obvious that they where manipulating the whole process. Some are programmed to favour only them but there are good number of gambling site that favours the players as well.

Always stake what you can afford to loss.

This is a business and sole aim of business is to make profit.

All gambling sites are favoring themselves, if they'll favor the gamblers then that means that at least they're giving some shot to their players. But that's nothing new, as all of them that has got a good reputation in the community do share the same chances that they provide to each of their players. It's a business as many have said and they need to make money but at the same time, it doesn't mean that they'll go wholly zero with the chances that they give to their players. Many still wins in casinos and they're go unnoticed because they just don't want to expose themselves but it's also known that, many are losing and that situation and result is very common for most gamblers.
Everyone wants to win in this industry. Although most gambling sites favor themselves, they nonetheless provide players a reasonable chance to win. Several casinos offer a payout rate of 95%, meaning you can expect to earn 95 cents for every dollar wagered. This is merely an average; some players will win big and others will lose everything.

Here's the real deal: gambling isn't just about victories and defeats. It's the electrifying sensation of the game, the adrenaline rush from taking risks, and the camaraderie of playing alongside others. Research confirms that most gamblers aren't counting on a windfall, but they revel in the gambling escapade anyway. So, despite some losses, the vast majority will relish the experience and bag some earnings.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on March 22, 2023, 07:41:51 PM
There is a particular gambling site I stumbled on. It was so obvious that they where manipulating the whole process. Some are programmed to favour only them but there are good number of gambling site that favours the players as well.

Always stake what you can afford to loss.

This is a business and sole aim of business is to make profit.

All gambling sites are favoring themselves, if they'll favor the gamblers then that means that at least they're giving some shot to their players. But that's nothing new, as all of them that has got a good reputation in the community do share the same chances that they provide to each of their players. It's a business as many have said and they need to make money but at the same time, it doesn't mean that they'll go wholly zero with the chances that they give to their players. Many still wins in casinos and they're go unnoticed because they just don't want to expose themselves but it's also known that, many are losing and that situation and result is very common for most gamblers.
Everyone wants to win in this industry. Although most gambling sites favor themselves, they nonetheless provide players a reasonable chance to win. Several casinos offer a payout rate of 95%, meaning you can expect to earn 95 cents for every dollar wagered. This is merely an average; some players will win big and others will lose everything.

Here's the real deal: gambling isn't just about victories and defeats. It's the electrifying sensation of the game, the adrenaline rush from taking risks, and the camaraderie of playing alongside others. Research confirms that most gamblers aren't counting on a windfall, but they revel in the gambling escapade anyway. So, despite some losses, the vast majority will relish the experience and bag some earnings.

Well, aside the loses, gambling can indeed be very fun, but unfortunately, most of the gamblers today do it for the money, they don't care about fun or  anything related and outside money.

This has contributed greatly to majority of the gambling addictions we hear and read about, if only gamblers can begin to be less dependent on gambling for money, life would be much more easier.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: RILWAN on March 22, 2023, 07:49:26 PM
The question is how many of those gambling sites are truly fair in their system most of them have they system is designed to only favor the house and the player will feel cheated at all time, but we also have some casino that have a fearly favourable  system that give players some form of fairness.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: milewilda on March 22, 2023, 11:30:24 PM
The question is how many of those gambling sites are truly fair in their system most of them have they system is designed to only favor the house and the player will feel cheated at all time, but we also have some casino that have a fearly favourable  system that give players some form of fairness.
House do always wins and this is what you should bare up in mind.Lets say that they are totally that fair but we do know that there's a house edge to begin with which it would really be that normal that as a gambler on which we are really that on disadvantage.The thing that what matter most on here is that we do prefer on losing a game on a fair way or something that been rigged nor being altered.
This is where these companies do gain up trust despite those hindrances and trust issues but it would really be wipen out overtime on the time that they do get that sufficient
recognition and this is why its ideal that you should stick on places which are reputable.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: kingvirtus09 on March 23, 2023, 07:37:03 AM
    When we play gambling, we don't know if that day we will be lucky or unlucky to play. If we are unlucky on the day we gamble, I am sure that no matter what we do, we will not win and if we do win, it will be a small amount, and we will still be taken back by the loss until we realize that we are no longer equal, this is often the case. that happens to gamblers who play in every casino.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: piebeyb on March 23, 2023, 07:48:02 AM
The question is how many of those gambling sites are truly fair in their system most of them have they system is designed to only favor the house and the player will feel cheated at all time, but we also have some casino that have a fearly favourable  system that give players some form of fairness.
you need to remember this that you play gambling in casinos and casinos are not charities where it is a place to distribute money to other people in need, if you want big money you should build a business and be a successful person not a gambler, I'm sure everyone knows casinos also want to make money just like you so understand the marketing concept of fair play, everything talks about money. if you gamble then be ready to lose and not talk about the best casinos that don't cheat.  :D


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: rammy2k2 on March 23, 2023, 10:56:22 AM
i doubt there is ONE crypto casino who aint rigged these days, we all know that, we see it every time we gamble
remember, the house always wins, and that dosent mean they win fair


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: hZti on March 23, 2023, 11:02:17 AM
i doubt there is ONE crypto casino who aint rigged these days, we all know that, we see it every time we gamble
remember, the house always wins, and that dosent mean they win fair

Well if the code can be reviewed and is provable fair then you at least can make sure that there is no obvious scam involved. What you should always consider is that even fair casinos can earn enough money to keep sites running and have a profit for themselves. So if you simply stick to the big casinos that don't need to scam because they simply earn enough anyway then you have the best chances.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: rammy2k2 on March 23, 2023, 11:09:59 AM
i doubt there is ONE crypto casino who aint rigged these days, we all know that, we see it every time we gamble
remember, the house always wins, and that dosent mean they win fair

Well if the code can be reviewed and is provable fair then you at least can make sure that there is no obvious scam involved. What you should always consider is that even fair casinos can earn enough money to keep sites running and have a profit for themselves. So if you simply stick to the big casinos that don't need to scam because they simply earn enough anyway then you have the best chances.

i met casinos that are cheating even provability fair checked , they simply display another result, u can see they are cheating only if u check bet by bet, and no one is doing that


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: benalexis12 on March 23, 2023, 02:24:44 PM
Aside from the house edge always winning gamblers and most losing players in every casino, the house they have the capability to control the game, not the gambler can ever control the game, unless the casino has a high reputation and many gamblers play, in this kind of situation it can be said that a gambler can be lucky to win and bad luck to lose.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Shamm on March 23, 2023, 02:37:07 PM
We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video: https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M
There are many scams casino out there so we need to be vigilant to prevent being catch by the traps. And also before we play in a specific casino it's better to find some good reviews or let day before we play we need to do a research to know more about the casino we want to gamble. But we need to know at all that in the gambling world it's all about luck and if we have our luck in our side then it's expected that it's easy win for us but if we don't have luck then a big loss is waving.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on March 23, 2023, 06:41:34 PM
The question is how many of those gambling sites are truly fair in their system most of them have they system is designed to only favor the house and the player will feel cheated at all time, but we also have some casino that have a fearly favourable  system that give players some form of fairness.
House do always wins and this is what you should bare up in mind.Lets say that they are totally that fair but we do know that there's a house edge to begin with which it would really be that normal that as a gambler on which we are really that on disadvantage.The thing that what matter most on here is that we do prefer on losing a game on a fair way or something that been rigged nor being altered.
This is where these companies do gain up trust despite those hindrances and trust issues but it would really be wipen out overtime on the time that they do get that sufficient
recognition and this is why its ideal that you should stick on places which are reputable.

At the end of the day, it's key to remember that, sure, there's always gonna be that house edge, but that ain't no reason to throw in the towel and quit gambling. It is all about enjoying the moment, whether it is alone or with someone else

Completely agree with you mate, using myself as an example, with all the bad experiences I've experienced in gambling, I shouldn't be gambling anymore, but then, here I am, still doing it from time to time..
Gambling isn't all about making money or profit, most at times, the fun and relaxation it gives counts more than the profit that should have been made.

But I understand that as our faces are different, so is our heart desires, by this, it is certain that no matter how much we preach that gambling is not all about profiting, but all about having fun, many will never listen, their major reason for gambling will always be to make money, nothing else.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Mate2237 on March 23, 2023, 06:59:10 PM
Aside from the house edge always winning gamblers and most losing players in every casino, the house they have the capability to control the game, not the gambler can ever control the game, unless the casino has a high reputation and many gamblers play, in this kind of situation it can be said that a gambler can be lucky to win and bad luck to lose.
Smile!!! No gambler is wins, the matter how luck the gambler is, he would definitely loss some games in some days. And the same to the opposite, no gambler is always loss, there must be a day that you will win even though it is a small amount of money. Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: tabas on March 23, 2023, 08:05:18 PM
Don't be too quick to believe anything that's posted on YouTube or any video sharing platforms. Yes, it could be true that the one who's exposing it really came from the casino industry or it's just someone that has overheard things over the counter and then managed to make a video and creates accusation about such.

Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
Winning isn't difficult because it's given to every gambler and we'll win no matter what and how much we've been losing. But that's it, we have to understand that the house always wins and we can't defeat them if that's the purpose. If you feel cheated by the casino you're playing at then, complain to them and give them the proof or show it to the community for us to decide whether it's cheated and we won't go there anymore.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Odusko on March 23, 2023, 08:12:52 PM
Aside from the house edge always winning gamblers and most losing players in every casino, the house they have the capability to control the game, not the gambler can ever control the game, unless the casino has a high reputation and many gamblers play, in this kind of situation it can be said that a gambler can be lucky to win and bad luck to lose.
Smile!!! No gambler is wins, the matter how luck the gambler is, he would definitely loss some games on some days. And the same the opposite, no gambler is always lost, there must be a day that you will win even though it is a small amount of money. Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
Most gamblers are already aware of the fact that gambling does not go in one direction and since the house has a bigger advantage against the players, and luck can favour the player sometimes, it now shows how volatile gambling is and one can not rely on one direction.
But then in gambling some days, it favours the player where he will be winning and other days the house edge will take it all leaving the player with a loss.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Jossque on March 23, 2023, 09:16:31 PM
I witnessed this once, I think it was in a roulette game, someone won with a 5 percent chance, and it was actually the bot account of the site. Seeing this, I decided not to play on untrusted sites. A friend of mine once experienced this event. After these events, I decided to play on sites that host other style games, whether roulette or roulette, except for certain sites. The site must have some documents, as far as I know, and these documents are taken from certain places.
Although most of them do not have such a problem, sometimes luck is not on your side, unfortunately. For this, the only thing to do is not to get involved in this business again :D


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Lida93 on March 23, 2023, 09:29:04 PM
No, they don't. That's how gambling works ever since, be it online or not. Those who think they have been scammed are players who don't fully understand how gambling works, about risk, chances, etc. Players who can not accept their losses will always think like that. Before an individual gonna try gambling, he should put in his mind that he will lose more than you win.
Maybe OP doesn't know that gambling is n activity that you either lose or win and there's a higher possibility of you losing like 9 times out of ten times of bets made. Whether you lose or win it should be on you, for I have seen any gambler that wom and attributed it to the gambling site but should they lose they they feel they were cheated or tricked but not the case.
As long as there are others that are winning in same casino or gambling site then you need to step up your betting strategy cause it could be as a result of poor analysis on your side as the gambler that's why you are having streaks of losses when there are others winning in same casino or gambling site.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: milewilda on March 24, 2023, 12:22:21 PM
The question is how many of those gambling sites are truly fair in their system most of them have they system is designed to only favor the house and the player will feel cheated at all time, but we also have some casino that have a fearly favourable  system that give players some form of fairness.
House do always wins and this is what you should bare up in mind.Lets say that they are totally that fair but we do know that there's a house edge to begin with which it would really be that normal that as a gambler on which we are really that on disadvantage.The thing that what matter most on here is that we do prefer on losing a game on a fair way or something that been rigged nor being altered.
This is where these companies do gain up trust despite those hindrances and trust issues but it would really be wipen out overtime on the time that they do get that sufficient
recognition and this is why its ideal that you should stick on places which are reputable.

At the end of the day, it's key to remember that, sure, there's always gonna be that house edge, but that ain't no reason to throw in the towel and quit gambling. It is all about enjoying the moment, whether it is alone or with someone else

Completely agree with you mate, using myself as an example, with all the bad experiences I've experienced in gambling, I shouldn't be gambling anymore, but then, here I am, still doing it from time to time..
Gambling isn't all about making money or profit, most at times, the fun and relaxation it gives counts more than the profit that should have been made.

But I understand that as our faces are different, so is our heart desires, by this, it is certain that no matter how much we preach that gambling is not all about profiting, but all about having fun, many will never listen, their major reason for gambling will always be to make money, nothing else.
If you do continue on having such reason then you are really that simply putting up yourself into big trouble since you would really be that desperate when it comes on making money via gambling which we know that it do really always matter on how lucky you are and we know that not all would really be lucky on a particular gambling sessions.This is where people do make out some realizations whether they should be treating it the other way around or would really be sticking out on what they had been thinking since from the start. Desperation + emotion would really be making things even more messy if you arent really that good on controlling it.
Gambling is for fun and winning is just a bonus and on the time that you do aware on whats the risks including into it then you do know on what are your limitations.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: rby on March 24, 2023, 12:37:48 PM
No, they don't. That's how gambling works ever since, be it online or not. Those who think they have been scammed are players who don't fully understand how gambling works, about risk, chances, etc. Players who can not accept their losses will always think like that. Before an individual gonna try gambling, he should put in his mind that he will lose more than you win.
Maybe OP doesn't know that gambling is n activity that you either lose or win and there's a higher possibility of you losing like 9 times out of ten times of bets made. Whether you lose or win it should be on you, for I have seen any gambler that wom and attributed it to the gambling site but should they lose they they feel they were cheated or tricked but not the case.
As long as there are others that are winning in same casino or gambling site then you need to step up your betting strategy cause it could be as a result of poor analysis on your side as the gambler that's why you are having streaks of losses when there are others winning in same casino or gambling site.
There is no perfect system anywhere in the universe, but when you come to gambling I can say that some of these casinos we gamble in are very far from being fair.
The system is rigged and the Machine. I mean some of them are manipulated to keep them in business. Be it 98% or 97% the level of the fairness favours the casino owner
This is why it is important to treat gambling as fun instead of using it as a means of making money.
You make the money being the casino owner than being that gambler that patronises


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: paxmao on March 24, 2023, 05:27:33 PM
Don't be too quick to believe anything that's posted on YouTube or any video sharing platforms. Yes, it could be true that the one who's exposing it really came from the casino industry or it's just someone that has overheard things over the counter and then managed to make a video and creates accusation about such.

Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
Winning isn't difficult because it's given to every gambler and we'll win no matter what and how much we've been losing. But that's it, we have to understand that the house always wins and we can't defeat them if that's the purpose. If you feel cheated by the casino you're playing at then, complain to them and give them the proof or show it to the community for us to decide whether it's cheated and we won't go there anymore.

Winning has to be difficult. What kind of games would you play if not? If you always win, the rewards would have to be minimal for the house to be sustainable and that would probably would not be as fun as if you score an epic win from time to time. The concept of playing is that a victory must mean something ant that is about making it just the right level of difficult.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Hamphser on March 24, 2023, 07:46:30 PM
Don't be too quick to believe anything that's posted on YouTube or any video sharing platforms. Yes, it could be true that the one who's exposing it really came from the casino industry or it's just someone that has overheard things over the counter and then managed to make a video and creates accusation about such.

Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
Winning isn't difficult because it's given to every gambler and we'll win no matter what and how much we've been losing. But that's it, we have to understand that the house always wins and we can't defeat them if that's the purpose. If you feel cheated by the casino you're playing at then, complain to them and give them the proof or show it to the community for us to decide whether it's cheated and we won't go there anymore.

Winning has to be difficult. What kind of games would you play if not? If you always win, the rewards would have to be minimal for the house to be sustainable and that would probably would not be as fun as if you score an epic win from time to time. The concept of playing is that a victory must mean something ant that is about making it just the right level of difficult.
If gamblers do keeps winning then there would be no gambling platforms or business at all in the first place.We know that they arent charity on giving out free money to those who do play and make them win often.

They had built up a business which it is really just that normal that they would be setting out terms and advantageous ways for them to make money but of course in a fair way but its understandable that they would be always having the edge because they cant really sustain in this business if they werent really that doing.Losing doesnt always mean that they are scamming us.

It is really just that part of the cycle on where people do earn by winning and losing most of the time if they arent that lucky which is understandable since we do touch up gambling after all.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: khaled0111 on March 24, 2023, 08:03:53 PM
there's a higher possibility of you losing like 9 times out of ten times of bets made

Games algorithms are designed in a way that gives advantage to the casino. The casino will always win (on the long run) but saying the gambler will lose nine rounds out of ten isn't accurate (unless you are playing on a scam casino). On most casinos, the house edge is usually between 2 to 5%. Therefore, you are likely to lose ~5.5 rounds out of ten and I believe this is fair enough.

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The system is rigged and the Machine. I mean some of them are manipulated to keep them in business. Be it 98% or 97% the level of the fairness favours the casino owner
This has nothing with manipulation or the system being rigged. As long as they provide publicly the rtp or the he and give you a way to verify the results (pf games) it should be fine.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: South Park on March 24, 2023, 08:39:41 PM
There is no perfect system anywhere in the universe, but when you come to gambling I can say that some of these casinos we gamble in are very far from being fair.
The system is rigged and the Machine. I mean some of them are manipulated to keep them in business. Be it 98% or 97% the level of the fairness favours the casino owner
This is why it is important to treat gambling as fun instead of using it as a means of making money.
You make the money being the casino owner than being that gambler that patronises
I think it is important to differentiate from the house edge the casino gives itself to rigged games, in a game with a house edge you can still win, it is just that the casino has a slight advantage over the player and over the long term this allows the casinos to remain in business, however a rigged game is one in which the gambler will never win, even during the short term, as the casino is hiding some things from the gamblers, like the odds being manipulated or changing the results of a bet after the fact.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: khaled0111 on March 24, 2023, 11:42:18 PM
I think it is important to differentiate from the house edge the casino gives itself to rigged games, in a game with a house edge you can still win, it is just that the casino has a slight advantage over the player and over the long term this allows the casinos to remain in business, however a rigged game is one in which the gambler will never win, even during the short term, as the casino is hiding some things from the gamblers, like the odds being manipulated or changing the results of a bet after the fact.
Exactly! There is a huge difference between loosing on the long run because of the house edge (which is completely normal) and losing unfairly because the games are rigged.
Many gamblers start complaining when they hit a long losing streak and immediately accuse the casino of being rigged without doing the math and realizing how big are the chances of seeing such long losing streaks.
To avoid all of this, all you have to do is to play provably fair games and always save the server and client seed so you can verify the results by yourself and know whether the game is rigged or not.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 25, 2023, 01:55:42 PM
There is no perfect system anywhere in the universe, but when you come to gambling I can say that some of these casinos we gamble in are very far from being fair.
The system is rigged and the Machine. I mean some of them are manipulated to keep them in business. Be it 98% or 97% the level of the fairness favours the casino owner
This is why it is important to treat gambling as fun instead of using it as a means of making money.
You make the money being the casino owner than being that gambler that patronises
I think it is important to differentiate from the house edge the casino gives itself to rigged games, in a game with a house edge you can still win, it is just that the casino has a slight advantage over the player and over the long term this allows the casinos to remain in business, however a rigged game is one in which the gambler will never win, even during the short term, as the casino is hiding some things from the gamblers, like the odds being manipulated or changing the results of a bet after the fact.
Casinos may cheat their players but we never know about that and instead of just thinking about and finding out about their cheating, it's better for us to have fun playing gambling and enjoy playing gambling. And gambling is really not a place to make money, so because of that, we don't have to try so hard to keep trying to make money. Better to be gambling as entertainment. And if we want to make money from gambling, we better be casino owners because that is a way to make money. In addition, as a gambler, we may find it difficult to make money from gambling.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Negotiation on March 25, 2023, 02:36:20 PM
Aside from the house edge always winning gamblers and most losing players in every casino, the house they have the capability to control the game, not the gambler can ever control the game, unless the casino has a high reputation and many gamblers play, in this kind of situation it can be said that a gambler can be lucky to win and bad luck to lose.
Smile!!! No gambler is wins, the matter how luck the gambler is, he would definitely loss some games in some days. And the same to the opposite, no gambler is always loss, there must be a day that you will win even though it is a small amount of money. Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
I agree but it is possible to win in gambling only if you are lucky but it is not possible to control it all the time. The game is good either as a form of entertainment because the loss will be won here the gamblers do not have much chance of losing and can control. Earning money here is not a job, only play and pleasure and relaxation in other words you earn by playing.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on March 25, 2023, 02:57:58 PM
Aside from the house edge always winning gamblers and most losing players in every casino, the house they have the capability to control the game, not the gambler can ever control the game, unless the casino has a high reputation and many gamblers play, in this kind of situation it can be said that a gambler can be lucky to win and bad luck to lose.
Smile!!! No gambler is wins, the matter how luck the gambler is, he would definitely loss some games in some days. And the same to the opposite, no gambler is always loss, there must be a day that you will win even though it is a small amount of money. Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
Well, though very rare, but there is actually a way to win in gambling and remain a winner all the days of ones live.
I will give you a scenario - just imagine your first day in gambling, on playing your first game/your first bet ever, you luckily won an amount that could be considers huge, you withdraw the money, and never returned back to gambling - this is a scenario that looks or feels impossible to happen, but it can actually happen, but it is very rare like i said initially..

Any new gambler that can pull this off, and stick to it would be a gambling winner for life.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: BobK71 on March 25, 2023, 03:30:58 PM
There is no perfect system anywhere in the universe, but when you come to gambling I can say that some of these casinos we gamble in are very far from being fair.
The system is rigged and the Machine. I mean some of them are manipulated to keep them in business. Be it 98% or 97% the level of the fairness favours the casino owner
This is why it is important to treat gambling as fun instead of using it as a means of making money.
You make the money being the casino owner than being that gambler that patronises
I think it is important to differentiate from the house edge the casino gives itself to rigged games, in a game with a house edge you can still win, it is just that the casino has a slight advantage over the player and over the long term this allows the casinos to remain in business, however a rigged game is one in which the gambler will never win, even during the short term, as the casino is hiding some things from the gamblers, like the odds being manipulated or changing the results of a bet after the fact.
Casinos may cheat their players but we never know about that and instead of just thinking about and finding out about their cheating, it's better for us to have fun playing gambling and enjoy playing gambling. And gambling is really not a place to make money, so because of that, we don't have to try so hard to keep trying to make money. Better to be gambling as entertainment. And if we want to make money from gambling, we better be casino owners because that is a way to make money. In addition, as a gambler, we may find it difficult to make money from gambling.
Some cheats are hidden. Which are not easily revealed outside. However, when organized ‍such scam incident gambler can be resolved based on specific evidence. Casino who engage in this kind of scamming will lose their reputation. But in order to avoid all these issues a gambler must first select a reliable platform otherwise he has a high chance of losing. But if a gambler is not overly greedy then the probability of getting into such a situation will be less.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 26, 2023, 02:56:31 AM
There is no perfect system anywhere in the universe, but when you come to gambling I can say that some of these casinos we gamble in are very far from being fair.
The system is rigged and the Machine. I mean some of them are manipulated to keep them in business. Be it 98% or 97% the level of the fairness favours the casino owner
This is why it is important to treat gambling as fun instead of using it as a means of making money.
You make the money being the casino owner than being that gambler that patronises
I think it is important to differentiate from the house edge the casino gives itself to rigged games, in a game with a house edge you can still win, it is just that the casino has a slight advantage over the player and over the long term this allows the casinos to remain in business, however a rigged game is one in which the gambler will never win, even during the short term, as the casino is hiding some things from the gamblers, like the odds being manipulated or changing the results of a bet after the fact.
Casinos may cheat their players but we never know about that and instead of just thinking about and finding out about their cheating, it's better for us to have fun playing gambling and enjoy playing gambling. And gambling is really not a place to make money, so because of that, we don't have to try so hard to keep trying to make money. Better to be gambling as entertainment. And if we want to make money from gambling, we better be casino owners because that is a way to make money. In addition, as a gambler, we may find it difficult to make money from gambling.
Some cheats are hidden. Which are not easily revealed outside. However, when organized ‍such scam incident gambler can be resolved based on specific evidence. Casino who engage in this kind of scamming will lose their reputation. But in order to avoid all these issues a gambler must first select a reliable platform otherwise he has a high chance of losing. But if a gambler is not overly greedy then the probability of getting into such a situation will be less.
Casinos that are used to cheating will surely hide their cheating and deny that it is cheating. If we find out that the casino is cheating, we must immediately look for another casino before we experience fraud or have experienced it but didn't realize it. Yes, we must avoid being greedy and not suffer too many losses because we also don't know if the casino is cheating or being fair. It's better for us to anticipate it before losing a lot of money because it's not worth it.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: xSkylarx on March 26, 2023, 03:02:45 AM
There is no perfect system anywhere in the universe, but when you come to gambling I can say that some of these casinos we gamble in are very far from being fair.
The system is rigged and the Machine. I mean some of them are manipulated to keep them in business. Be it 98% or 97% the level of the fairness favours the casino owner
This is why it is important to treat gambling as fun instead of using it as a means of making money.
You make the money being the casino owner than being that gambler that patronises
I think it is important to differentiate from the house edge the casino gives itself to rigged games, in a game with a house edge you can still win, it is just that the casino has a slight advantage over the player and over the long term this allows the casinos to remain in business, however a rigged game is one in which the gambler will never win, even during the short term, as the casino is hiding some things from the gamblers, like the odds being manipulated or changing the results of a bet after the fact.
Casinos may cheat their players but we never know about that and instead of just thinking about and finding out about their cheating, it's better for us to have fun playing gambling and enjoy playing gambling. And gambling is really not a place to make money, so because of that, we don't have to try so hard to keep trying to make money. Better to be gambling as entertainment. And if we want to make money from gambling, we better be casino owners because that is a way to make money. In addition, as a gambler, we may find it difficult to make money from gambling.
Some cheats are hidden. Which are not easily revealed outside. However, when organized ‍such scam incident gambler can be resolved based on specific evidence. Casino who engage in this kind of scamming will lose their reputation. But in order to avoid all these issues a gambler must first select a reliable platform otherwise he has a high chance of losing. But if a gambler is not overly greedy then the probability of getting into such a situation will be less.
Casinos that are used to cheating will surely hide their cheating and deny that it is cheating. If we find out that the casino is cheating, we must immediately look for another casino before we experience fraud or have experienced it but didn't realize it. Yes, we must avoid being greedy and not suffer too many losses because we also don't know if the casino is cheating or being fair. It's better for us to anticipate it before losing a lot of money because it's not worth it.

No one will really admit that they are cheating, but if you have hard evidence, you can post it here, because there are still instances where we can't shut down those casinos, but at least other gamblers are aware that they are cheating and won't be playing on them. Also, if you noticed, try to find another casino for you to play at, but it is best to stick to those top casinos as we are sure that they are legit and not cheating on us.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: len01 on March 26, 2023, 04:32:40 AM
Aside from the house edge always winning gamblers and most losing players in every casino, the house they have the capability to control the game, not the gambler can ever control the game, unless the casino has a high reputation and many gamblers play, in this kind of situation it can be said that a gambler can be lucky to win and bad luck to lose.
Smile!!! No gambler is wins, the matter how luck the gambler is, he would definitely loss some games in some days. And the same to the opposite, no gambler is always loss, there must be a day that you will win even though it is a small amount of money. Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
in gambling there will be bad days and there will be good days where gamblers will feel victory or defeat and it all depends on luck.
we can't see how lucky all gamblers are. I know when someone has lost a large amount of gambling the next day, he gets a bigger win than the previous loss.

like when someone gambles in slot games loses $300 with minimum bet. the next day the gambler returns with the same gamble budget but increases the bet amount and ends up getting a big multiplier reaching maxwin.
that's what I'm saying there are bad days and lucky days.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: lienfaye on March 26, 2023, 04:59:11 AM
like when someone gambles in slot games loses $300 with minimum bet. the next day the gambler returns with the same gamble budget but increases the bet amount and ends up getting a big multiplier reaching maxwin.
that's what I'm saying there are bad days and lucky days.
Well, it's not often happening because usually there are more bad days than lucky days where you can win huge and able to recover some of your losses.

The better approach is, if you gamble don't expect to win or become rich in snap because this is usually the mistakes of gamblers thinking that gambling is the answer to change their lives. It's understandable to have a desire to win but it should not be our priority but to have fun. Because it's more satisfying to win while you're just enjoying the game.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: slapper on March 26, 2023, 10:19:27 AM
Aside from the house edge always winning gamblers and most losing players in every casino, the house they have the capability to control the game, not the gambler can ever control the game, unless the casino has a high reputation and many gamblers play, in this kind of situation it can be said that a gambler can be lucky to win and bad luck to lose.
Smile!!! No gambler is wins, the matter how luck the gambler is, he would definitely loss some games in some days. And the same to the opposite, no gambler is always loss, there must be a day that you will win even though it is a small amount of money. Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
in gambling there will be bad days and there will be good days where gamblers will feel victory or defeat and it all depends on luck.
we can't see how lucky all gamblers are. I know when someone has lost a large amount of gambling the next day, he gets a bigger win than the previous loss.

like when someone gambles in slot games loses $300 with minimum bet. the next day the gambler returns with the same gamble budget but increases the bet amount and ends up getting a big multiplier reaching maxwin.
that's what I'm saying there are bad days and lucky days.
I'm with you 100% – luck be that fickle friend in the gambling game, blessing us with wins and cursing us with losses. Gamblers, man, they fixate on those massive scores, straight-up forgettin' the stacks they've dropped along the way. Gotta keep it real – gambling's just entertainment, so keep that bankroll in check, and don't risk more than you can handle. Am I right?

Recent studies show that gamblers believe they got the Midas touch, thinking they can control the game's outcome. That's how they end up losing. But hey, there are ways to boost your odds, like rocking those basic strategies and steering clear of sketchy bets. Just keep a level head, set their boundaries, and never try to recoup the losses, right?


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: BVeyron on March 27, 2023, 01:34:47 PM
Aside from the house edge always winning gamblers and most losing players in every casino, the house they have the capability to control the game, not the gambler can ever control the game, unless the casino has a high reputation and many gamblers play, in this kind of situation it can be said that a gambler can be lucky to win and bad luck to lose.
Smile!!! No gambler is wins, the matter how luck the gambler is, he would definitely loss some games in some days. And the same to the opposite, no gambler is always loss, there must be a day that you will win even though it is a small amount of money. Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
in gambling there will be bad days and there will be good days where gamblers will feel victory or defeat and it all depends on luck.
we can't see how lucky all gamblers are. I know when someone has lost a large amount of gambling the next day, he gets a bigger win than the previous loss.

like when someone gambles in slot games loses $300 with minimum bet. the next day the gambler returns with the same gamble budget but increases the bet amount and ends up getting a big multiplier reaching maxwin.
that's what I'm saying there are bad days and lucky days.
I'm with you 100% – luck be that fickle friend in the gambling game, blessing us with wins and cursing us with losses. Gamblers, man, they fixate on those massive scores, straight-up forgettin' the stacks they've dropped along the way. Gotta keep it real – gambling's just entertainment, so keep that bankroll in check, and don't risk more than you can handle. Am I right?

Recent studies show that gamblers believe they got the Midas touch, thinking they can control the game's outcome. That's how they end up losing. But hey, there are ways to boost your odds, like rocking those basic strategies and steering clear of sketchy bets. Just keep a level head, set their boundaries, and never try to recoup the losses, right?

Sense of golden touch is really a problem among gamblers, and many people start gambling being aware of the statement: "when you win, then you can't stop and lose everything you won", so they tell themselves that it's easy to stop when they win. And real deal happens that they start losing without any wins at all, but continue making bets, they are just unaware that it works not only in the way that "its hard to stop winning", but also in the way that it's hard to stop losing.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Betwrong on March 27, 2023, 03:19:09 PM
i doubt there is ONE crypto casino who aint rigged these days, we all know that, we see it every time we gamble
remember, the house always wins, and that dosent mean they win fair

Nope, we don't. Do you think all of us here working in sig campaigns knowingly collaborate with scammers? If you could provide any proof to your words, I would love to read it. But the thing is, you can't. Apart from some bs like this clown is saying in this video (https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M), where "Everything this guy is saying is absolutely true." according to one of the comments, you can't provide much.

I mean, why declare about something you don't have a clue about? "the house always wins" Do you even know what that means?

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i met casinos that are cheating even provability fair checked , they simply display another result, u can see they are cheating only if u check bet by bet, and no one is doing that

So, you met casinos, or all casinos are like that? That's a big difference, you know.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: serjent05 on March 27, 2023, 07:41:05 PM
i doubt there is ONE crypto casino who aint rigged these days, we all know that, we see it every time we gamble
remember, the house always wins, and that dosent mean they win fair

If you are claiming that all crypto casinos are rigged, then why not prove that they are really rigged?  The scam accusation board is waiting for anyone who has a complaint and report about scams and alike.  I also don't agree that the house always win, it can be refuted by simply playing on a dice.  If the house always wins then why do we win oftentimes when betting on dice and other games?  The problem is on us, getting greedy and not controlling ourselves to stop when we are winning.  So as a result we tend to lose to the house because we failed to control ourselves.  And we all know that the house has and edge, it is not kept secret from us, so we cannot whine about losing because of the house edge.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Wiwo on March 27, 2023, 09:35:49 PM
i doubt there is ONE crypto casino who aint rigged these days, we all know that, we see it every time we gamble
remember, the house always wins, and that dosent mean they win fair

If you are claiming that all crypto casinos are rigged, then why not prove that they are really rigged?  The scam accusation board is waiting for anyone who has a complaint and report about scams and alike.  I also don't agree that the house always win, it can be refuted by simply playing on a dice.  If the house always wins then why do we win oftentimes when betting on dice and other games?  The problem is on us, getting greedy and not controlling ourselves to stop when we are winning.  So as a result we tend to lose to the house because we failed to control ourselves.  And we all know that the house has an edge, it is not kept secret from us, so we cannot whine about losing because of the house's edge.
What the mate failed to settle with is the fact that casinos are businesses and just like every other business there is a  need for profits in other to keep the businesses working and at the same time expand.

-So the casino designed with a house edge that makes the casino to be at advantage at all times, but then that is not enough reason to call it a scam, since there is a probably fair system in place.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Desmong on March 27, 2023, 09:46:03 PM
I think it all depends on what op means by they are scamming us. You don't expect a casino that is giving us the privilege of using there platform to make bet to nit benefit from us. This is business and they must pay there workers and do some certain things to make sure that there platform keep moving. Money is involved here and that is why a casino will keep benefiting from us whether we like it or not.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Newlifebtc on March 27, 2023, 09:49:17 PM
I think it all depends on what op means by they are scamming us. You don't expect a casino that is giving us the privilege of using there platform to make bet to nit benefit from us. This is business and they must pay there workers and do some certain things to make sure that there platform keep moving. Money is involved here and that is why a casino will keep benefiting from us whether we like it or not.
To get a proper casino website and you must have to access the site to know if the particular site is running a scam project or not, what I believed so far is that we have to think and they make a proper research of any particular platform will want to patronize in case they are built by a scam people


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Ebede on March 27, 2023, 10:59:50 PM
I think it all depends on what op means by they are scamming us. You don't expect a casino that is giving us the privilege of using there platform to make bet to nit benefit from us. This is business and they must pay there workers and do some certain things to make sure that there platform keep moving. Money is involved here and that is why a casino will keep benefiting from us whether we like it or not.
To get a proper casino website and you must have to access the site to know if the particular site is running a scam project or not, what I believed so far is that we have to think and they make a proper research of any particular platform will want to patronize in case they are built by a scam people
so what I'm trying to tell you enough is that even though you are such that particular platform without knowing the reputation or the functions of it you will not be able to know what the platform is all about so therefore I'm of the opinion that you don't have to embrace any platform that you see online so I believe such


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: bettercrypto on March 28, 2023, 03:56:57 AM
i doubt there is ONE crypto casino who aint rigged these days, we all know that, we see it every time we gamble
remember, the house always wins, and that dosent mean they win fair

Nope, we don't. Do you think all of us here working in sig campaigns knowingly collaborate with scammers? If you could provide any proof to your words, I would love to read it. But the thing is, you can't. Apart from some bs like this clown is saying in this video (https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M), where "Everything this guy is saying is absolutely true." according to one of the comments, you can't provide much.

I mean, why declare about something you don't have a clue about? "the house always wins" Do you even know what that means?

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i met casinos that are cheating even provability fair checked , they simply display another result, u can see they are cheating only if u check bet by bet, and no one is doing that

So, you met casinos, or all casinos are like that? That's a big difference, you know.

I kind of get what you mean, it's been said that if no strong evidence can be shown, it will just appear to be a rumor or rumor. Anyone can talk like that, if there is no evidence, it will just remain speculation, right?

     Also, most people here in this forum know that the house always wins in a casino and this is normal because the casino was not built for charity, let's also think if all the gamblers win in a casino how long will the gambling? of course not.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: tusandii on March 28, 2023, 04:55:56 AM
-So the casino designed with a house edge that makes the casino to be at advantage at all times, but then that is not enough reason to call it a scam, since there is a probably fair system in place.

True, friends, in essence, casinos are made for business and all the games in casinos are designed to take advantage of every bet issued by gamblers.
I don't think there is a system that is designed to be fair in a casino game. If the system is designed to be fair, then the benefits that can be obtained by the casino are still uncertain and uncertain because the system that runs and gamblers both have a 50% winning percentage.
With the exception of sports betting, it might seem fairer because each bet follows the final result of the sports match itself.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 28, 2023, 09:13:06 PM
No one will really admit that they are cheating, but if you have hard evidence, you can post it here, because there are still instances where we can't shut down those casinos, but at least other gamblers are aware that they are cheating and won't be playing on them. Also, if you noticed, try to find another casino for you to play at, but it is best to stick to those top casinos as we are sure that they are legit and not cheating on us.
We have seen many reports of cheating from casinos before but some casinos have not given any explanation that they have been cheating. And when we know that, we can enter the casino into suspected casino and we don't need to play at the casino. Yes, instead of having an unpleasant experience playing at the casino, we can play at a top and reputable casino that will not cheat its players. That will make us feel comfortable and safe while playing and we don't need to think about things.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Hamphser on March 28, 2023, 09:38:14 PM
No one will really admit that they are cheating, but if you have hard evidence, you can post it here, because there are still instances where we can't shut down those casinos, but at least other gamblers are aware that they are cheating and won't be playing on them. Also, if you noticed, try to find another casino for you to play at, but it is best to stick to those top casinos as we are sure that they are legit and not cheating on us.
We have seen many reports of cheating from casinos before but some casinos have not given any explanation that they have been cheating. And when we know that, we can enter the casino into suspected casino and we don't need to play at the casino. Yes, instead of having an unpleasant experience playing at the casino, we can play at a top and reputable casino that will not cheat its players. That will make us feel comfortable and safe while playing and we don't need to think about things.
Not that much but there are really incidents like this about those casino or platforms that had cheated out their players but it didnt really take that long considering that once its proven then players would really

be normally flocking out which it would really be definitely over for the business.They are really that in exchanging their long term profitability on just scamming or being non fair into their users suddenly.

If we do look on the sensible side on which it is really just that dumb if there's someone would really be considering on scamming their users for pennies if they could actually be able to
generate that money in a period of time.It is really just that too foolish for them to do so.This is why only the fair ones would really sustain on this industry.We cant be sure about
100% fairness but its better to stick into these places.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on March 30, 2023, 12:48:26 AM
We already realize that in gambling, there are only wins and losses, so we will not cross that line.
If people could think of gambling as entertainment, surely they would be fine and the number of addicts who are addicted to gambling could decrease.
But sadly, that's hard to be true because some people they think of gambling as a way to get quick money when it's not.
So any facts found in the gambling system according to the OP's statement are based on video reviews from YouTube, but we agree with your discussion above that we place gambling only as entertainment and not passive income, so we choose sports gambling because pure winnings are determined based on match scores and not from the casino system.

Well in comparison, for example, with trading, the casino can give you quick results and you don't need to know much to play, some games that are quite complex, such as poker, are what most players look For, because a strategy is established and that is very It is possible that they can win Due to that strategy, but some other games are given only to luck and what the person decides to do, like slots, in my case I use them to relax, I never seek to win at slots, some if they do and big, I still don't have the ability to Make big bets on a slot machine.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Oasisman on March 30, 2023, 03:12:55 AM
We already realize that in gambling, there are only wins and losses, so we will not cross that line.
If people could think of gambling as entertainment, surely they would be fine and the number of addicts who are addicted to gambling could decrease.
But sadly, that's hard to be true because some people they think of gambling as a way to get quick money when it's not.
So any facts found in the gambling system according to the OP's statement are based on video reviews from YouTube, but we agree with your discussion above that we place gambling only as entertainment and not passive income, so we choose sports gambling because pure winnings are determined based on match scores and not from the casino system.

Well in comparison, for example, with trading, the casino can give you quick results and you don't need to know much to play, some games that are quite complex, such as poker, are what most players look For, because a strategy is established and that is very It is possible that they can win Due to that strategy, but some other games are given only to luck and what the person decides to do, like slots, in my case I use them to relax, I never seek to win at slots, some if they do and big, I still don't have the ability to Make big bets on a slot machine.


If you're looking to gamble for fun, huge bets ain't necessary, in fact it's considered as a gambling technique to get rid of having huge losses. Huge losses doesn't sound fun though.
Playing competitive games like poker is also fun, especially when you're skeptical about the casino being provably fair with games like dice.

Anyway, bettors doesn't really care about whether or not a casino is provably fair as long as the casino is reputable enough for their clients to just ignore the legitimacy of being a provably fair casino.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: BVeyron on March 31, 2023, 09:30:41 PM
We already realize that in gambling, there are only wins and losses, so we will not cross that line.
If people could think of gambling as entertainment, surely they would be fine and the number of addicts who are addicted to gambling could decrease.
But sadly, that's hard to be true because some people they think of gambling as a way to get quick money when it's not.
So any facts found in the gambling system according to the OP's statement are based on video reviews from YouTube, but we agree with your discussion above that we place gambling only as entertainment and not passive income, so we choose sports gambling because pure winnings are determined based on match scores and not from the casino system.

Well in comparison, for example, with trading, the casino can give you quick results and you don't need to know much to play, some games that are quite complex, such as poker, are what most players look For, because a strategy is established and that is very It is possible that they can win Due to that strategy, but some other games are given only to luck and what the person decides to do, like slots, in my case I use them to relax, I never seek to win at slots, some if they do and big, I still don't have the ability to Make big bets on a slot machine.


If you're looking to gamble for fun, huge bets ain't necessary, in fact it's considered as a gambling technique to get rid of having huge losses. Huge losses doesn't sound fun though.
Playing competitive games like poker is also fun, especially when you're skeptical about the casino being provably fair with games like dice.

Anyway, bettors doesn't really care about whether or not a casino is provably fair as long as the casino is reputable enough for their clients to just ignore the legitimacy of being a provably fair casino.

It's really a trouble in gambling to stop losing money, that's why, yes, huge stakes are not the option for either casino or gambling as a whole. I rarely face troubles to stop after even a small win, but troubles with stopping after several losses were way more difficult for me some time ago. As for huge bets, it's only a thing when your favourite team plays - so that the match becomes really intriguing! In other cases it's not a good idea...


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Odusko on March 31, 2023, 09:41:01 PM
i doubt there is ONE crypto casino who aint rigged these days, we all know that, we see it every time we gamble
remember, the house always wins, and that dosent mean they win fair

If you are claiming that all crypto casinos are rigged, then why not prove that they are really rigged?  The scam accusation board is waiting for anyone who has a complaint and report about scams and alike.  I also don't agree that the house always win, it can be refuted by simply playing on a dice.  If the house always wins then why do we win oftentimes when betting on dice and other games?  The problem is on us, getting greedy and not controlling ourselves to stop when we are winning.  So as a result we tend to lose to the house because we failed to control ourselves.  And we all know that the house has an edge, it is not kept secret from us, so we cannot whine about losing because of the house's edge.
Any gambler that believes that casinos are rigged entirely to favor the house and at the same time made in a way that the gambler loses at all time make it look as if casinos are entirely scams, even though we have a few number of casinos that are known scams.
But for the fact that we have some well-known casinos that have 100% scores in reputations, with probably fair system.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Hamphser on March 31, 2023, 10:18:29 PM
i doubt there is ONE crypto casino who aint rigged these days, we all know that, we see it every time we gamble
remember, the house always wins, and that dosent mean they win fair

If you are claiming that all crypto casinos are rigged, then why not prove that they are really rigged?  The scam accusation board is waiting for anyone who has a complaint and report about scams and alike.  I also don't agree that the house always win, it can be refuted by simply playing on a dice.  If the house always wins then why do we win oftentimes when betting on dice and other games?  The problem is on us, getting greedy and not controlling ourselves to stop when we are winning.  So as a result we tend to lose to the house because we failed to control ourselves.  And we all know that the house has an edge, it is not kept secret from us, so we cannot whine about losing because of the house's edge.
Any gambler that believes that casinos are rigged entirely to favor the house and at the same time made in a way that the gambler loses at all time make it look as if casinos are entirely scams, even though we have a few number of casinos that are known scams.
But for the fact that we have some well-known casinos that have 100% scores in reputations, with probably fair system.
Just stick on where most gamblers  do hang out on which you could somewhat assure that you would really be dealing up with the right place.We cant say its 100% fair but at least this one has been trusted up by
many which means the features and qualities of a good site is indeed high and this is the reason on why people been playing on a certain place rather than on considering on depositing on places which arent that
known or not something that popular.

It is really that a very common human being behavior on pointing out fingers and blaming up someone specially on casino that they arent fair on the time that they had lost their money which it isnt that shocking
nor surprising thing because it is really that part of the reaction and emotions that been mixed up.This is why its better to stick into those top ranking ones and wont be minding about being cheated or rigged.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on March 31, 2023, 11:43:40 PM
i doubt there is ONE crypto casino who aint rigged these days, we all know that, we see it every time we gamble
remember, the house always wins, and that dosent mean they win fair

If you are claiming that all crypto casinos are rigged, then why not prove that they are really rigged?  The scam accusation board is waiting for anyone who has a complaint and report about scams and alike.  I also don't agree that the house always win, it can be refuted by simply playing on a dice.  If the house always wins then why do we win oftentimes when betting on dice and other games?  The problem is on us, getting greedy and not controlling ourselves to stop when we are winning.  So as a result we tend to lose to the house because we failed to control ourselves.  And we all know that the house has an edge, it is not kept secret from us, so we cannot whine about losing because of the house's edge.
Any gambler that believes that casinos are rigged entirely to favor the house and at the same time made in a way that the gambler loses at all time make it look as if casinos are entirely scams, even though we have a few number of casinos that are known scams.
But for the fact that we have some well-known casinos that have 100% scores in reputations, with probably fair system.
It is really that a very common human being behavior on pointing out fingers and blaming up someone specially on casino that they arent fair on the time that they had lost their money which it isnt that shocking
nor surprising thing because it is really that part of the reaction and emotions that been mixed up.This is why its better to stick into those top ranking ones and wont be minding about being cheated or rigged.
Very well said mate, it is already a well known human nature to complain and point fingers when things don't go as expected or maybe predicted, most especially when it involves losing something, which in the case of gambling, Is money.

Check out all the physical attacks that non internet casinos have experienced in both the past and the present time, those attacks were carried out majorly from those who have played on that casino and lost - then, they begin to find ways and means through which they could try to get their money back.
But then again, if the gambler wins, unlikely will you ever find such a user attacking the casino, except on occasion where the casino refused the user withdrawal.



Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: len01 on April 01, 2023, 10:00:18 AM
Aside from the house edge always winning gamblers and most losing players in every casino, the house they have the capability to control the game, not the gambler can ever control the game, unless the casino has a high reputation and many gamblers play, in this kind of situation it can be said that a gambler can be lucky to win and bad luck to lose.
Smile!!! No gambler is wins, the matter how luck the gambler is, he would definitely loss some games in some days. And the same to the opposite, no gambler is always loss, there must be a day that you will win even though it is a small amount of money. Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
in gambling there will be bad days and there will be good days where gamblers will feel victory or defeat and it all depends on luck.
we can't see how lucky all gamblers are. I know when someone has lost a large amount of gambling the next day, he gets a bigger win than the previous loss.

like when someone gambles in slot games loses $300 with minimum bet. the next day the gambler returns with the same gamble budget but increases the bet amount and ends up getting a big multiplier reaching maxwin.
that's what I'm saying there are bad days and lucky days.
I'm with you 100% – luck be that fickle friend in the gambling game, blessing us with wins and cursing us with losses. Gamblers, man, they fixate on those massive scores, straight-up forgettin' the stacks they've dropped along the way. Gotta keep it real – gambling's just entertainment, so keep that bankroll in check, and don't risk more than you can handle. Am I right?

Recent studies show that gamblers believe they got the Midas touch, thinking they can control the game's outcome. That's how they end up losing. But hey, there are ways to boost your odds, like rocking those basic strategies and steering clear of sketchy bets. Just keep a level head, set their boundaries, and never try to recoup the losses, right?

Sense of golden touch is really a problem among gamblers, and many people start gambling being aware of the statement: "when you win, then you can't stop and lose everything you won", so they tell themselves that it's easy to stop when they win. And real deal happens that they start losing without any wins at all, but continue making bets, they are just unaware that it works not only in the way that "its hard to stop winning", but also in the way that it's hard to stop losing.
the bigger wins the gambler gets, the harder it is to stop gambling. this is a bit of psychology when winning big in our minds we will always have the mindset of winning bigger. even though they unconsciously lose even more from gambling.
this big win is sometimes like a gambling strategy to get us addicted to continuing to bet when we get several wins, of course the gambler will continue to look for bigger wins but always lose all the balance. In my opinion, this is not fraud, but this is just a strategy from the casino to give wins to gamblers so that they continue to bet on gambling.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: rodskee on April 01, 2023, 10:19:11 AM
No one will really admit that they are cheating, but if you have hard evidence, you can post it here, because there are still instances where we can't shut down those casinos, but at least other gamblers are aware that they are cheating and won't be playing on them. Also, if you noticed, try to find another casino for you to play at, but it is best to stick to those top casinos as we are sure that they are legit and not cheating on us.
We have seen many reports of cheating from casinos before but some casinos have not given any explanation that they have been cheating. And when we know that, we can enter the casino into suspected casino and we don't need to play at the casino. Yes, instead of having an unpleasant experience playing at the casino, we can play at a top and reputable casino that will not cheat its players. That will make us feel comfortable and safe while playing and we don't need to think about things.
who will accept or admit that they are scammers or cheating? and also what they can only provide is words against words but they will never provide proofs because they are hiding from their privacy.
so choose the site that has been surely safe and those site that has complete and working advertising here in this forum.



Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Jawhead999 on April 01, 2023, 11:20:56 AM
who will accept or admit that they are scammers or cheating? and also what they can only provide is words against words but they will never provide proofs because they are hiding from their privacy.
so choose the site that has been surely safe and those site that has complete and working advertising here in this forum.
Yep it's really hard when a brand new account vs small casino without any reputation debate in scam accusations section when the case isn't clear enough and both of them can't provide a transparent proof. Where should we trust and how can we know who's lying? usually people will leave it until there are many people experienced same and make a complaint toward the casino.

It doesn't mean a big casino can scam and everyone will believe their words, but sooner or later anyone will realized something fishy and the casino is actually the scammer.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: slapper on April 01, 2023, 12:12:32 PM
i doubt there is ONE crypto casino who aint rigged these days, we all know that, we see it every time we gamble
remember, the house always wins, and that dosent mean they win fair

If you are claiming that all crypto casinos are rigged, then why not prove that they are really rigged?  The scam accusation board is waiting for anyone who has a complaint and report about scams and alike.  I also don't agree that the house always win, it can be refuted by simply playing on a dice.  If the house always wins then why do we win oftentimes when betting on dice and other games?  The problem is on us, getting greedy and not controlling ourselves to stop when we are winning.  So as a result we tend to lose to the house because we failed to control ourselves.  And we all know that the house has an edge, it is not kept secret from us, so we cannot whine about losing because of the house's edge.
Any gambler that believes that casinos are rigged entirely to favor the house and at the same time made in a way that the gambler loses at all time make it look as if casinos are entirely scams, even though we have a few number of casinos that are known scams.
But for the fact that we have some well-known casinos that have 100% scores in reputations, with probably fair system.
It is really that a very common human being behavior on pointing out fingers and blaming up someone specially on casino that they arent fair on the time that they had lost their money which it isnt that shocking
nor surprising thing because it is really that part of the reaction and emotions that been mixed up.This is why its better to stick into those top ranking ones and wont be minding about being cheated or rigged.
Very well said mate, it is already a well known human nature to complain and point fingers when things don't go as expected or maybe predicted, most especially when it involves losing something, which in the case of gambling, Is money.

Check out all the physical attacks that non internet casinos have experienced in both the past and the present time, those attacks were carried out majorly from those who have played on that casino and lost - then, they begin to find ways and means through which they could try to get their money back.
But then again, if the gambler wins, unlikely will you ever find such a user attacking the casino, except on occasion where the casino refused the user withdrawal.


Oh, gambling! The capricious nature of chance, folks! A phenomenon in which people react so differently to victory and defeat - some feasting on the bubbles of champagne, while others bathe in a pool of tears. And then there are those few who cross the line, attacking the casino itself! An excessive act, to say the least.

Nevertheless, gambling remains a game of luck - an endless cycle of wins and losses. Online gambling takes this to another level of uncertainty, as you never know who you're pitted against or whether the game is rigged.

But don't worry folks! If you play your cards right and have a little luck on your side, you might just get lucky at the casino (or in life in general) and never have to worry about assaulting it again. If you get lucky, remember to share your good fortune with others, because "it is in giving that we get."


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: Hirose UK on April 01, 2023, 06:30:30 PM
who will accept or admit that they are scammers or cheating? and also what they can only provide is words against words but they will never provide proofs because they are hiding from their privacy.
so choose the site that has been surely safe and those site that has complete and working advertising here in this forum.
Yep it's really hard when a brand new account vs small casino without any reputation debate in scam accusations section when the case isn't clear enough and both of them can't provide a transparent proof. Where should we trust and how can we know who's lying? usually people will leave it until there are many people experienced same and make a complaint toward the casino.

It doesn't mean a big casino can scam and everyone will believe their words, but sooner or later anyone will realized something fishy and the casino is actually the scammer.
Several cases of fraud and accusations were filed in this forum thread, the majority were new accounts and small casinos although there were also major casinos complained about here.
Surprisingly, of the many cases of fraud that were reported, only a few were able to provide clarity and detailed evidence for the truth of the fraud case, and many even attached accusations of nonsense.
We will not know the truth of who is at fault if both parties concerned do not want to provide full and honest details.
But I never believe in anyone unless there is genuine evidence and clear details of events. If it were just giving words, then I would only consider it a short story of a play.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: capedbaldy on April 01, 2023, 06:46:29 PM
Several cases of fraud and accusations were filed in this forum thread, the majority were new accounts and small casinos although there were also major casinos complained about here.
Surprisingly, of the many cases of fraud that were reported, only a few were able to provide clarity and detailed evidence for the truth of the fraud case, and many even attached accusations of nonsense.
We will not know the truth of who is at fault if both parties concerned do not want to provide full and honest details.
But I never believe in anyone unless there is genuine evidence and clear details of events. If it were just giving words, then I would only consider it a short story of a play.
Most new accounts report casino accusations without valid evidence and even they tend to damage the reputation of the casino, but the team should respond to these accusations so that their reputation is restored and their gambling community doesn't think negatively about reports from new accounts, for experienced members they can filter every accusation but new users may be affected by the report and they will avoid gambling at casinos related to the report.


Title: Re: they are scamming us?
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on April 01, 2023, 07:55:48 PM
Surprisingly, of the many cases of fraud that were reported, only a few were able to provide clarity and detailed evidence for the truth of the fraud case, and many even attached accusations of nonsense.

Why is that so surprising? If you catch a thief with his hands in your pocket what are you expecting him to say if you ask him "What are you doing?". Do you actually expect an answer like "Not much, I wasmerely trying to pickpocket you"? Or, most likely, he'll say a gibberish nonsense or something like "I was trying to make sure your pocket doesn't have a hole in it, thus you won't lose your money"?

We will not know the truth of who is at fault if both parties concerned do not want to provide full and honest details.
But I never believe in anyone unless there is genuine evidence and clear details of events. If it were just giving words, then I would only consider it a short story of a play.

This is why it's recommended for anybody opening a topic in Scam accusation board to post all the possible evidence he has (screenshots, chat logs etc.).