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I don't know if this is the proper section to post it. I feel like MetaBoard will be a good fit for this topic. But, let's begin.

My question is: who is a newbie and how long they should be considered as a newbie?
I would love to give you some options and examples.

First one: A user with a very old registration date but made only a couple of posts, but did not earn merit to rank up and his login time is around 10 hours or so.

Second one: A user who registered two months ago and spent 7 days login time and earned around 250 merits in the last 60 days and made 500 posts.

Third one: A user who has been there for six months and spent 25 days login time but made only a hundred posts but his rank is member or Jr. member.

You should keep in mind that a user's rank is a newbie here, but maybe he was a member of another forum like hacks forum, craked forum, or nulled forum. Maybe they have dip knowledge of coding or other sectors. Now, who should be considered a newbie, and how long would you consider him as a newbie and why?

I often see people posts like don't teach others when you are a newbie. This is an absurd word in my dictionary. People like Powerglove or n0nce has far more better knowledge than some legendary members who has earned two thousands merits. So, what is wrong if a newbie try to correct you?

Well said, Besides, I didn't even know about these things until now.

I think this is a scary part that most people don't want to admit. Ideally, newbies are all categorized as learners just because they are new to the forum. Even if newbies have great experience in the crypto space, some people tend to look down on them. I stand to be corrected, but I have also noticed that newbies' ideas or opinions sometimes face altercation, unlike those of regular ranked members. I am saying all this from the experience I once had and maybe still facing. There won't be any change soon, we should just move on with it.

In my view, someone's actions on their account can say more than their rank. I've noticed many newly registered accounts with smart individuals behind them. Sometimes, these people earn over 100 merits in just one post or upon creating their first post. I see this as a significant achievement for many of us. Even if their ranks are low, there are individuals here with more experience than higher-ranked members. Unfortunately, due to discrimination, as you mentioned, they tend to hide and reduce their presence.

This forum is a place where anyone can share their knowledge and experience in their respective areas of expertise. They shouldn't let other members look down on them. A rank doesn't define a person, so we should control ourselves and avoid using violent or discouraging words on others just because their ranks are very low. They might be newbies, but their ideas are very experienced.

Me I'm always of the same opinion that not everyone who registers an account today is completely a newbie. The title tag can be a newbie, but the knowledge is far above that, and there is more to be learned from them than what we can even offer to some of those newbies by forum rank. Let's take the two members that you mentioned, for example.
 
In the aspect of newbies stopping teaching newbies when you need to learn, I have come across threads where newbies provided detailed information about how to use a particular thing. If I could remember correctly, it should have been some time last year. In that thread, it was educative, and if I'm not mistaken, it was just the OP's second post to the forum, but the knowledge and tips shared were helpful in situations like that. I encourage such users.
 
But in a situation where a member just registered and opened an account a few weeks or months ago without having any technical knowledge anywhere or even knowing about the forum very well, and the newbie starts making misleading tutorials about things that the OP should even be able to learn, in such a case where you see newbies who try to correct and other newbies who end up making mistakes because they don't have full knowledge of the information they are trying to pass on, these are the types of users who are being advised to learn more rather than trying to teach what they still need to learn.

I would like to classify them with two main criteria.

• Member rank.
• Knowledge.

If they have great knowledge, their newbie rank is only rank and they can rank up to any high rank if they spend time on the forum, make enough posts. Because with those knowledgeable newbie members, they can easily earn many merit.

Without great knowledge, you only can look at a member and judge bases on earned merit and forum rank that surely reflect their low knowledge level.

In addition, Bitcointalk articles and threads are often used as references on many websites and tweets. For example, I was searching about the Bitcoin timelock feature and how it works, and I found a thread where the writer wrote a great tutorial and mentioned that it is just a detailed version of TryNinja's post. https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@daan/how-to-create-time-locked-transactions-with-bitcoin-free-bitcoins-inside I felt proud when I saw that the Bitcointalk post was referenced. Often I see people tweet historical events and give Bitcointalk links as references. That's where new users come to this forum. Sometimes, I see a new user registered just to write one reply and then they never come back to this forum. But they get a couple of merits for their post. They were a newbie to this forum. But, they are not newbie on some specific field.

LoyceV has one topic about Bitcoin Timelock too.

Using Locktime for inheritance planning, backups or gifts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5180850.0).

Just like yesterday but that topic is already 5 years old.

If you're new in cryptocurrency and just join the forum, you're the type of newbie to be considered a newbie indeed because you're fresh and just starting, the more you're active on the forum, then you becomes more used to learning bitcoin a d getting used to the forum, then you will continue to experience growth in such a way that will influence the way you post from how you first started, also increasing in ranks is another thing to consider that you're actually progressing in growth.


That may not have to be a newbie, it may be that he doesn't have time to get online due to his busy schedules or way of life and uses bitcoin but having no time for the forum.


This one is probably to be an alt account.


Most likely bounty hunters, they are sometimes alts, spammers or those that post less of a quality post.

I have nothing against newbie teaching me about crypto (or almost anything else for that matter)  related stuff as there are many knowledgeable people around and I am first to admit that my technical knowledge is quite limited, but when I see a newbie telling other newbies how to behave on bitcointalk and what to do/what not do to on the forum, my bullshit alarm immediately goes on.

For example, before coming to bitcointalk I had almost 20 years experience on other forums and I didn't even think about giving other people advices on what to do around here right after I created the account and I am sure that no legit newbioe would do that.

First off: remember that "newbie" is an actual word that means "an inexperienced newcomer to a particular activity."(source:Google)

So if someone said "don't teach others when you are a newbie", there's a good chance that the person is actually describing the dictionary term of newbie, not necessarily the Bitcointalk rank. Depends on who is saying it, of course.

I agree; it's just a matter of attitude. I had basically nothing but positive interactions here, after first registering on this forum, even though I was a 'Newbie' and posted guides & advice about various technical aspects of Bitcoin.

If you behave like a respectful adult person should, I think people will appreciate your posts, no matter your rank. So I don't agree with below quote, at all.

I think the rank system is good the way it is; personally had 0 issues with it honestly. A minor one was that I started getting invites for signature campaigns, but didn't have the space for it yet. Although I suspect I'm in the minority with this issue, and the manager kindly created a custom signature that fit in the space I had.

Exactly.

Now imagine if you started your forum adventure with countless "Newbies, this is what you have to do to rank up" or any of the other similar generic crap that we see on B&O bord, how would people react? Someone would call you out for being fake newbie because that's exactly what fake newbie do and then some would complain that bitcointalk is a hostile place while in fact people are just fed up with it.

Newbies with unique knowledge about crypto and advanced computer-related knowledge are only newbies for a while because when they start to post to share their knowledge, lots of users will appreciate it and for a few months, they will gonna be considered once the main characters in the community despite of their late participations in the forum. Unlike others who are not contributing but only reading and gathering some knowledge, these users are more popular, and most likely their opinions are considered strong and trusted. For me, this community suffice for all that I need to know about crypto-related matters because the users are quick to respond whenever we want to know something.

May I know what is the reason for that thinking? Do you think people with less experience in this forum are unable to read and write or what? Why do you think people who earn quick merits are alt accounts? What about the people I mentioned in the OP? I understand they have some extra ordinary skills, which is why they have earned many merits. But don't you think a person could have experience in other forums and know these things works? Don't you think people with less experience in this forum has a good writing capabilities?

I forgot another important thing which I mentioned in the title but didn't write in the OP.
How long it should take for a newbie to navigate the forum? Given the forum boards/sub boards has well detailed description. How long it should take for a newbie to know some historical events? For example, How long it should take for a newbie to know that satoshi is inactive, Lauda is not here anymore, TECHSHARE died, light_warrior died, Ratimov's fall down and some other things (Not everything at once).

I myself have no problem if a newbie corrects my arguments or others, about other general topic issues, such as bitcoin, economics, politics, trading, altcoins and so on which may be behind him is a person who does have previous abilities before entering the forum, and I think knowledge does not have a limit on rank on the forum, I myself feel I don't have much knowledge.

But I don't tolerate if a newbie for one month already knows the ins and outs of the forum and problems, or plays on the reputation board, a forum that not just anyone can easily find out, let alone someone who has just joined for one month.

I don't know, but I don't even know if that really matters. Why do you think it's important to (quickly?) learn about forum events and historical facts? I'm interested to hear the motivation behind the question. I'd say let everyone discover the forum at their own pace.. ;)

I think the word don’t teach if you’re a newbie is actually quoted or understood out of context. What I feel many people actually mean’t is if you’re sure your knowledge is limited then don’t teach. It doesn’t necessarily mean all newbies have to follow such advice. It is a bit funny when you see newbie in a thread they creates asking about such and such and later you see same member trying to teach others on that same topic because they have gotten little knowledge these are people that the warning is for.


I think navigating the forum actually depends on how active and dedicated the user is. There are lower rank members that actually know more historical information on the forum than some higher rank members because of the each accounts exposure. But still there are informations that no matter how dedicated the newbie is he will definitely not get information from except they ask or same thing occured because not everything can be researched that’s where old members actually poses more superiority because they were present then and can remember the event vividly

I guess there is a misconception of what the word newbie means; you could relate to Mk4's comment. Someone could have a lot of experience but still be considered a newbie in the forum because of the ranking system. but no matter how long one is here, it doesn't determine how much knowledge they could have about Bitcoin.

I suppose choice of word is what led to your misconception. I practically do not use the phrase to say the same thing; I prefer to say "you cannot give what you don't have," meaning you shouldn't teach what you don't know. So it's not bad for a newbie to teach what he or she knows. I have seen myself correct a couple of senior colleagues even as a newbie, what I get from that is merit because I actually know the truth, but I'm just low in rank. Right now as a member I still considered myself a newbie because I'm not well aquatinted with Bitcoin knowledge.

In a nutshell, your rank here in the forum doesn't determine how knowledgeable you are but only shows how long you have been or how active you have been participating in good conversations. The dictionary newbie is very much different from the forum newbie but still points in the same direction.

In my opinion, beginners and non-beginners depend on their proficiency in knowing a field.
The term beginner for a bitcointalk user is more appropriate if he is called a beginner according to the third point because he has been present on the forum for six months but is still a junior member and member.

This third point will also be in conflict with other people's assessments because the criteria for naming beginners based on rankings vary in their respective assessments.
Honestly, I look at a beginner not based on their high account ranking but on their ability to master a scientific field.

When some people register on the forum, they begin to create different terrible and unnecessary threads. They begin to share the same ideas that have already been shared in other threads that have been created before they joined the forum. Some of these newbies (by rank) don't usually contribute any positive ideas or discussions on the forum, and that's why they end up being criticized by some high-ranking members.

In another way, and just like you have said, most people are already knowledgeable about so many things related to cryptocurrency before they join the forum, and when they do join the forum, they don't create some unnecessary threads, and they don't spam or plagerize like some other newbies who are not crypto enlightened will do.

Newbie is only a rank on the forum, and the only way to know if the person behind the account is really knowledgeable about crypto or anything is if they are able to create generic threads, share new ideas about what they know, and contribute positively to discussions.

The ranks on the forum don't determine how knowledgeable, educated, and versatile the person behind the account is.

Although some high-ranking members are very knowledgeable about programming and other technical issues, that's also how some other members (both newbies and members ranks) are also knowledgeable about wallet and Bitcoin transaction technical issues, while some others are also very knowledgeable and have experience in gambling, games, and rounds, some are good in economics discussions and some also have very good knowledge about Bitcoin mining.

On this forum, there is a lot of different knowledge that is being shared, and the forum rank is not a barrier to the level of knowledge anyone is supposed to possess. As a matter of fact, some low ranks, like Newbies, Jr., and full member ranks, can even make a very generic post that is better than that of some heroes or legendary ranks.

With all that being said, a newbie is someone who doesn't really have sound knowledge about any new thing that they just got themselves attached to, and to know who a real newbie is on the forum, just take note of the level of knowledge their idea or comment carries.

I agree with what you state in opening post : I registered here more than 10 years ago but when browsing/reading some specific forum sections or reading some users posts ( the ones you mentioned for example) I still feel like a newbie.  :)

If the user's forum rank still reads newbie then he or she is a newbie as far as the Bitcointalk forum is concerned. Even if the user has experience from other forums, he needs to get used to the bitcointalk forum to have at least 30 activity and one merit before he can be considered a junior member in this forum.
The time it will take for a user to remain a newbie, according to the forum, is a minimum of 30 days of activity in the forum, but it also depends on how serious the forum user is and how often the user interacts in the forum.


These users have knowledge of tech, some aspects of web development, and others; they are actually adding value to the forum because they are helping in its development, but if you look at how they ranked up, they must follow the forum pattern of activity. That is why, irrespective of the number of merits they have, they must reach the required activity for each rank before they rank up.

A newbie on the forum is just an account on the forum and nothing more. It does not show the knowledge and experience of a person. You can't judge a person's experience and knowledge by a forum account. And personally, I don't see any problem if a forum newbie corrects a user with Legendary rank. The main thing is that it should be a really useful correction and not some trolling.

A newbie is just a name used to designate how long a user have spent in the forum by the number of his posts, activities and merit earned in the forum. Knowledge is another different aspect on its own and should not be related to the rank of the user. From the way a user communicates, you can tell how deep his/her knowledge is about what they’re talking about, they shouldn’t be shaded for making a comment and trying to teach or correct others.

Knowledge is not by rank but it is about what you’ve got upstairs in your brains. Although some newbies wants to teach others what they have no knowledge about, in such cases, they should learn instead of trying to teach. A newbie can teach and correct someone if they have the knowledge about it and we should all see it as something okay.

We have no yardstick to determine who has gathered much experience and who has not before creating an account in the forum. All we know is that a newbie is someone who is new to the system and has alot to learn from those who have been there before him. So when I begin to see a post from a newbie telling the 'oldbies' (whom they were supposed to learn from) how to go about the forum activities,  it looks kind of weird to me and I'm like "who is behind this account?

This might not be wrong in all cases because we really have newbies who have gathered years of experience from other forums/Platforms before joining Bitcointalk forum. So it is best we take the message they are passing across and forget about who the message is coming from. It should only be a problem if they are giving out misleading information.

A person who has recently appeared on the forum will show himself in one form or another. If a person is inexperienced and writes some kind of post that will be sharply different from his earlier posts, it immediately arouses suspicion, doesn’t it? This is what happens most often when we see a newbie using AI.
But another newcomer, who from the first days proved himself to be an experienced person in crypto, is also very noticeable; I cannot remember a case when anyone doubted such newcomers. If we talk about an alternative account of a person with good knowledge, then observations show that either such people do not have an alternative account, or they do have one, and the person does not hide it.
Therefore, people who come to the forum as beginners but are full of knowledge are unlikely to experience discomfort in communication, while others are viewed under a large magnifying glass.
Is there a problem here?

If you ask me the same question I have asked, I would say it depends on how interested the person is, depends on how much time they spend on the forum, and how much they read the topics. No on how much they have posted and how many merits they have earned. I know a lot of members who have been there for ages but they have earned only a few merits in the last five years but they know almost all the historical events. I know some members who have been active since I joined and they were not able to earn 50 merits in the last year but there are some opposites too. A lot of members earned more than 500 merits in a year.

You have asked me what is the motivation behind the question. This is just came to my mind because I saw a lot of people were accused of being alt accounts or they know too much about the forum even though they did not spend a lot of time here in the forum. My question is, how do they know that how long the person spend online each day? There was a time when I didn't post anything but I have browsed the forum all day. Do you think it is necessary to write post to get knowledge from the forum? Or just reading is well enough?

 Newbies are those that newly join the Bitcointalk with confirmed registration, and they will have some particular activities and merits that will lift them from newbies to member or full member in the community before they will begin to apply for signature campaign to earn money. If I can still remember very well, they must have 10 merits before they can rank up to member and by then, they will have the knowledge of the cryptocurrency, and the rank up that will convince users in the forum that the person is no longer a newbies. I can still remember when I was a newbies with little knowledge of cryptocurrency and I found it difficult to understand some manual that related to cryptocurrency I was reading to understand cryptocurrency, but since I decided to be more active in the forum, I began to acquire cryptocurrency knowledge from the forum that help me to where I am today.

Op is somehow wrong and he needs to understand that. For the fact that someone registered here and decided to keep updating their account is not necessarily mean that the person actually is a newbie. He might be a newbie in the forum but not to Bitcoin or the Crypto at  large. It is important for us to know how to go about figuring who is a newbie and who is not. The writing style of someone especially when they have so much knowledge in cryptocurrency do not actually make them newbies to the forum.

There's Nothing if a newbie corrects a high-ranking member of the forum so far that it's does not disrespect the user.
From my understanding knowledge is vast someone who is knowledgeable is a certain field can be a newbie in another field since he/she is inexperienced in the space.
About how long it takes to navigate that depend on personal ability and understanding about how to use the forum.

Uhmmm... The problem isn't about you teaching others what to do or correcting them, the problem is about you trying to make requal sense, and at the same time, not being INSULTING... alot of peeps would see themselves on their high horses while creating a ridiculously- composed to thread, all in a bid to own a thread on BTT.

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This is a Bitcoin forum and I don't think the ideas in here are conserved.. there are actually so many forums that share the same ideas like we do in here - so there's every possibility that someone would know much about Bitcoin and you don't, newbie or not. All they gotta do is to be INFORMATIVE.

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Would you mind pointing out where I am wrong? Would you mind correcting me, please? Your post is full of contradictions. At first, you said I was wrong and I needed to understand something. But, you have pointed our several things that match my idea. I didn't even say what I think in the OP. So, how did you know that I was wrong? If you think so, I would love to correct myself. Would you mind helping me?


Exactly. For example, when I registered to this forum, I was a newbie here but I had other forum experiences like Hacksforum and nulled. But the fact is, those forums are mostly operated to make money and people do unethical things to make money. Scammers everywhere. Even though Bitcointalk do not moderate scams, still it has one of the best system to prevent scammers.

Reading is essential. You don't get a lot of knowledge from writing your own stuff; at least for me, it's a way to share my knowledge.

I've been a 'silent reader' (no account) in this and other places for a whole while before registering here, myself. I'm a big proponent of 'DYOR' and learning as much as you can from the plethora of information that's already out there, before asking a question for the thousandth time.

That's correct. I agree with that. But most of the people in this forum think differently. For example, if they see a person registered a few months ago but know about the forum, they accuse them of being of an alt account or not a genuine newbie. What do you want to say about it?

If this is the case for you, do you think this could be for other members as well? Do you think there could be more members who did the same as you? If people can read the forum without creating an account, is it necessary to create an account? Even though I have an account, sometimes I scroll the forum without even logging in on my mobile. I write from my desktop only. I also write from phone, but that's only when I am away from home. Thanks for sharing your opinion, n0nce.

This has not been my experience, to be honest. I never got accused of something like that. However, I actually did not know a bunch of things before I registered, since I was only ever browsing Development & Technical Discussion and its sub-boards and using web search to find what I needed.

Sure; I'm not anything special, of course other members may have done the same thing. And no, you don't need an account for just reading; especially as a Bitcoin beginner, it's really good to just read and not clutter the forum with questions that have most certainly been answered before (here or elsewhere, like StackExchange).

In my opinion, newbies in forums are those who don't understand forum rules, and actually it doesn't take long to find out how forums work as long as we diligently read and view as many threads as possible. I think a month is enough time to understand how this forum works

Newbies in bitcoin are those who don't know about bitcoin and how it works. Even though in theory it may be easy to know, without practice it will be difficult to understand it thoroughly. I still feel like a newbie when it comes to bitcoin because I don't know much about bitcoin

I will try to answer logically based on my views on this question.

This type of newbie will never feel ranked up due to the short login time and limited knowledge. The time spent browsing the forum is very limited, there is no increase in posts. It is very difficult to get out of the Newbie circle as long as there is no desire to explore the forum deeper and improve the quality of posts.

This type of user is not a new member on the forum, maybe he is an old member hiding behind Newbie (that's my opinion based on the very fast progress achieved). He really understands how to get merit, his extensive knowledge about crypto and being very close to the forum makes it easier to find a way to get merit.

This user is still unable to interact with the forum due to his limited knowledge, he is very careful when making posts with all the fears that are still bothering him. Maybe he spends more time reading than posting, he tries to absorb the knowledge spread here to increase his knowledge about crypto. Users like this are true newbies, they try to explore forums to expand their knowledge without rushing to rank up.

Interesting discussion- I think this really depends on how you define a "newbie" on a given platform or topic.

According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, a "newbie" is a person who has recently started a particular activity.¹ Given the examples that you provided OP, I think the best person that falls under this category is the first example, which is:


The second and third person had already spent a time on this forum since they have accumulated at least 7 days and 25 days of total log-in time in this forum. It is safe to say that they have already read some posts and even made threads about BTC even if they failed to garner some merit.

Though again this can be a technical discussion since there may be people who are considered as "newbies" despite having lots of total log-in time, the definition of what a newbie is best describe the first person you have mentioned.

Personally, however, I consider all of them as newbies as there are more factors that may upgrade a newbie to an expert.

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1 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/newbie

I really agree with you, mate. A newbie account doesn't always reflect the knowledge of the user, it is just a level of forum account. A newbie account can have a better knowledge and experience than high rank accounts. I often saw newbies that can explain very well about certain matters related to crypto or this forum. So, we can't judge the knowledge and experience based on the level of account forum only. I believe some experts or experienced people, may have newbie accounts. It is because they don't focus on growing their accounts in this forum, they just have the intention to discuss with others. Also, they may have a little time to build their account level since they are busy with their activities in trading or investment.

I would like to know more about this user. Why do you think he is an old user hiding behind a new account? We know that only posts earn merits for the user. If a new user is capable of generating good content, he should be able to earn quick merits. What's wrong with that? Did you see the two users I mentioned in the OP? What do you think about those users? user n0nce wrote 3400 posts and earned almost 6000 merits. He has earned his first 500 merits in less than 60 days. What do you want to say about it?

Why do you think they are a newbie when they have already spent 25 days of login time? When a user spends 25 days login time, that means he has spent 600 hours just reading the forum and he has only posted when he needed to ask something. It's better to say that the user has no interest in ranking up or earning merits. All he want is to learn more from this forum. That's why he spend 600 hours just reading the forum.

I think this will depend on what you are looking for for example mining, altcoins, bitcoin trading , gambling , but it think it will take more time if you will navigate and explore everything but for sure you are not new, but for sure your number one goal is to know bitcoin.

I totally agree with you OP. that a Person's forum account rank does not indicate if he's generally a newbie in crypto or not.. i think it is very easy to figure that out by style and way of their posting and participating in discussion. and in which sections and boards they discuss.
Sadly some high rank members are so egoistic and arrogant that they don't take any correction from users with newbie or lower rank users, they don't think the person behind that account might be smarter and have more experience with them.

For someone that have knowledge about trading, Bitcoin, altcoins and the general crypto market, that kind of person is not never a newbie even though they are new in this community. That does not signify that they are newbies in cryptocurrency. For someone that does not have idea or understand the cryptocurrency market at all, that kind of person can be seen as a newbie and nothing more. The person would have to learn from the scratch about what the forum, Bitcoin and the general crypto sphere is all about. The forum is open for learn and anyhow can ask questions where they seem not to understand. Learning is continuous so we should always keep learning.

Something I agree with you though, a newbie simply means someone that is new to…

Now, being newbie on the forum doesn’t necessarily mean you’re new to cryptocurrency or Bitcoin, it simply means you’re new to the forum. Though you might be a pro on some order platform and have got the bases to the cryptocurrency or bitcoin idea, you remain a beginner on the forum, as the rank states and that’s how your going to be addressed.

Now, the trick is, you’ve hot to learn the ways of the forum and how to adjust to fit in and that’s what makes you a newbie on the event that, your not new to cryptocurrency or Bitcoin.

Something I don’t very much agree with though is,
Your calculations on the logged in time. Forum takes into account minutes spent active online and I tell you, we don’t often spend much time online like we think.
I’ve been on the forum for at least 3years and my total time logged in is just about 51days.
Hence, 7hours or days might actually be a lot and we could as well find users to have been well above the newbie rank.

Forum logged-in time surely affects your forum knowledge. If you have spent 51 days of login time on this forum, that's equal to 1224 hours and you have made a lot of posts. Now, Imagine that another user has spent 51 days of login time but they have not reached 100 posts yet. I believe that the user has similar forum knowledge as you. His rank as a Jr. member or Member does not mean he does not know anything about this forum. The guy spends 1224 hours on this forum scrolling and reading. I believe some users do not write anything but they read the forum posts and they are up to date with the historical events of the forum. You might have a different point of view. But, I respect that.

When I came here I find out that what the members of this forum consider as a Newbie is not knowledge, but base on your ranking position in the forum, and they rank total numbers of merits someone earn as quality poster, for me a newbie is someone who is in the rank of brand new and Jr members and it doesn't matter how many posts that the person make, someone who registered over two years but have not coming online to communicate with other people is still a newbie

Because the person don't know anything concerning the forum despite that registration date is given a data reference of two years or three years thereabouts of registration, what matters is that can the person solve a problem or bring idea that we help to tackle a problem, a newbie is like a novice that doesn't know anything and is being deem it fit to master what the surrounding is all about

If that's what the OP asked then my answer is relative. Why? because everyone has different experiences and seaching, or browsing abilities topic in this forum. For example, for question number one, you say that you are an old member but are not active. It's normal if rank is still doesn't increase. Because to increase the rank what is needed is merit and that is as you said in question number 2.

Look, I think my statement is clear. Even though I haven't added my opinion in the OP, I have shared it in another post. Xal0leX posted a better response and I agree with him. Newbie is just ranked in this forum and nothing else. A simple forum rank cannot be used to determine how knowledgable a person is. It's possible that the user is already a Bitcoin developer but has not created an account yet. Now, If he register and start writing post, would you consider him as a crypto newbie? Even if you do, this is not correct. Some people judge others based on their ranks which I have been watching for a year now. This is why I have created this thread to discuss  the matter.

Exactly this.
It's impossible to say if someone is knowledgeable just by having a look at their Account rank.

There are so many possibilities:
- Account has not many posts and it's very old: I can be logged in all the time in my account, it's still a Member account but my knowledge keeps increasing due to reading (type less, read more).
- Account has not many posts and it's very new: I can even have no knowledge about Bitcoin at all right now, put in some massive effort by investing some time and I'll gain knowledge quickly.
- Account has many posts and it's very new: Some people have a lot of time and might do both, writing posts and reading to gain more knowledge.
- Account has many posts and it's very old: Heck, there are even Legendaries in this forum, they are completely clueless how Bitcoin etc. works.
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There are so many possibilities, it's just impossible to judge the knowledge of some Member / Full Member / Sr. Member...
And that's not limited to Bitcoin, it's like that for basically anything, like traditional investing or science of all sorts...

Sometimes I'm even not logged in, like when I'm just browsing this forum. This is also a case, where neither my post count nor my time logged in will increase from.

It’s a discussion on views isn’t it. So it’s okay and I tell you, it’s a point of view I didn’t give much consideration like, do people actually do that? Be online or should I say, active for that long and not make nag post?
Why such motive, go the length of account creation, having to login every now and then but somehow, don’t manage to make posts or participate in forum discussions.
Bounty hunters I might understand but for those who knows what goes on in the forum, I can imagine how reluctant that might mean.

Yeah for sure. I sometimes visit the forum as a guest, person I’m seeking out some information or just want to be up dated on what’s going on and those aren’t taken into account after all, am a guest but still, I’ve got in on the news. These I get.

There is no fix time to tell how much time will it take to learn something. This forum is an ocean of crypto knowledge with many big sharks owning enormous knowledge. You should really try to read the forum topics if you really want to know about crypto rather asking these questions

You have brought up a good topic that has never been seen here but is certainly important. "Newbie" it doesn't mean he is not knowledgeable. Maybe he has more experience than other known forum users but he doesn't add to this forum or doesn't know.

In this forum not all members but some should behave more politely. Because if the novice who is advanced in terms of knowledge is treated differently, he may feel uncomfortable even if he does not say anything. In this concern if we can treat the newbies politely or if we don't devalue them instead of inspiring them then those knowledgeable newbies can make better contributions.

I don't want to blame them entirely because some genuine newbies may be experts in certain areas, but they have been here for a couple of weeks only. If a member is only one month old here and posts about forum-related things only like how to get merit, how the merit system works, how the feedback system works etc etc, then it does not look good at all.

I understand their point of view as well. But, if a member registered a day ago and writes something knowledgeable about Bitcoin, it's completely fine in my eyes. If a member write something about the forum events after six month of his joining date, would you think it's unusual?

Not all are total newbie in crypto since maybe they already exist on other platforms and they just late to find out that this community exist then they just recently join the scene, We can see a lot of that and I meet a lot this kind of people on Linked and facebook. That's why its really good to guide them properly on how the forum works so that they can co-exist with us for longterm and maybe we can also learn from new guys base on what they have experience on crypto.

If they ask about merit that's fine since that maybe caught them up and been curious about it, but if they spam even if they already have those good answer then that's not good at all.

Also maybe there's something unusual there especially if they claim that they are total newbie in the platform. But if they just said that just for the merit then post something interesting which a old timer here can do then I think that's really suspicious.

I remember creating a thread where I advised newbies not to teach when they are supposed to learn but the essence of creating the thread was not because newbies can't teach what they know but because some newbies actually teach even when they don't know probably because they intend to get attention or something else. In the right sense, someone who's new to a particular platform ought to get use to the place, learn the ways things are done where he or she just got into before bringing in ideas that can be helpful to where he or she got registered to I believe that's how things should be. Correct me if am wrong but I think even the names you mentioned here didn't start teaching what they know on their first day in the forum rather they spent some time to navigate around before bringing in their own information and ideas which is visible even to the blind. There are knowledgeable newbies no doubt but if you do a proper check you will find out that most newbies who got registered here in recent times have no knowledge of the forum before now nor that of cryptocurrency even with their write ups.

Newbie or Grand maestro depends on the place where he is. Everyone has their own expertise, and that expertise is also divided into many places.

IMO, the measure of someone categorized as a newbie or not here is Merit. Because you posted this in this forum, I think the correct point of view is from this forum, which is presented in the form of activity, merit, trust and so on.

A Bitcoin expert may enter and discuss on this forum for the first time and be called a Brand Newbie, but outside the forum he is a maestro.

A carpenter has joined this forum for a long time and got a legendary rank. Because this is a Bitcoin forum and maybe he failed to learn Bitcoin and doesn't know much, so he couldn't contribute much to the forum and never got any merit. In this forum he is legendary, but in the real Bitcoin environment he is a newbie.

It's not important to have forum knowledge on the day a person signs up in this forum. This is not the only forum that exists on the internet. There are hundreds of forums on the internet and they may have forum experience. For example, I was the forum member of Masterland which does not exist anymore. I remember trying a lot of nulled script from master land when I was reading in high school.

There are some crypto forums as well. But, Bitcointalk is the most popular forum. I believe hundreds of newbies have better technical knowledge than some of us. Just like some other forum members said, there are some legendaries as well who don't have Bitcoin knowledge.

well, this is just like what happens in the real world where no matter your level of experience, as long as you don't have a recertification that suggest that you've attained a particular level of knowledge, no one really gives a damn about you.

Their are expert in crypto and tech that just got to know about the forum and because this platform doesn't show ones level of knowledge, if he makes a contribution that is very matured, people might even attack him that he is just a new user and how come is he this experienced in the forum.

Well, this is how the forum is designed by default and the reality is that regardless of your level of experience, until you have the required level of merit and activity, you are still going to be considered a jn member of the forum. It's just left for you to put in the needed effort and push yourself to the top because in reality, it won't take time before growing in the forum since you already know your way around the discussion in the forum.

No doubt I believe there are so many other crypto forums out there and yes BTT happens to be the best I have come across so far, yeah I think there are some newbies with some technical knowledge true but saying that there  are some legendary members here without Bitcoin knowledge sounds confusing to me because being in the forum for years can improve the knowledge of a person and reaching the rank of a legendary member here means the person has spent more than two years on the forum which is enough for the person's growth in the Bitcoin knowledge if such person has been an active member. I don't think there is a legendary member here with zero Bitcoin knowledge I disagree.

I didn't say there are legendaries with zero Bitcoin knowledge. People can't be in a Bitcoin forum and be legendary without knowing anything about Bitcoin. At least 90% of the forum members have a Bitcoin wallet and they know how to send Bitcoin and how to receive Bitcoin. If you count that, they are not people with zero knowledge about Bitcoin. I said there are some Legendaries who don't have Bitcoin knowledge.

For example, if you ask them how SegWit helped the bitcoin network? They won't be able to answer. Some of them don't even notice the difference between Segwit and taproot address and many more basic technical things. Also, please do not forget that there was a time when people were able to rank up just by posting useless posts and increasing their activity. A lot of shitposters ranked up to legendary with airdropped merits and since then, they have earned less than hundred merits in the last couple of years.

I am beginning to also think that the word is not supposed to be used generally for all newbies because of how knowledgeable some of them can be. The words can be rephrased so that they are only directed at newbies who have no prior knowledge of the forum or bitcoin but want to teach others. I have also seen low ranked members that when they comment in some posts I'm awed by how they give detail solution to those posts, such low rank members (newbies, jnr members) are definitely not a novice in the crypto space, but to this forum they are and as such they are to teach others rather than them being taught because of the ample knowledge they already have about bitcoin.

Yeah. Sometimes some newbies pretend like they know many things and correct others with wrong information. But there are always some active members who check topics and posts and usually correct others with the right information. It's not true that only newbies give wrong/incorrect information. Sometimes we make mistakes as well. I did not understand how the activity system worked for a long time. I needed to spend a couple of weeks asking questions via private message to other members to understand how it works. Some high-rank members don't know how the trust system works, how DT voting works (I have doubts too), and how the feedback system works. Even some DT members left incorrect feedback and that is why the DT network is still questionable. I have been in the forum for over a year and if a 6 month old member could explain me how the DT voting works, I don't see any problem. Because they paid attention to it and I didn't. It's not his mistake to know more than how much I know.

There are many new forum users who already know a lot about cryptocurrency and bitcoin forums. But they didn't account on the forum. Now opening a new account they describe the details. So we should all talk to newcomers with respect. Also there are many other forum users who are new to bitcoin forum. So basically we think they are new but they are very old veterans.

To me a newbie is a novice who is new to any system and knows nothing about it. In novice we have different types ,
 Newbie with experience  
1. Newbie with knowledge and understanding who is quick to understand anything and make good use of it.
2. Newbie which is granded in cryptocurrency but has not yet find a place like BTT.
3. Newbie but member of the forum, but was ban and started with a new ACC or also a newbie under alt ACC.
 
 Newbie without experience
1. Newbie which just come to the forum and want to quickly rank up, without learning anything but keep creating thread to gain attraction.
 
Sturbon newbie without experience and don't want to learn
1. Newbie that thinks he/she has no guider. who thinks that here is a place where they can do how it pleases them, and nobody will question them to what dey do and how they make post. They also are newbie that seems stubborn and can't be controlled by any body without knowing that such thing might hinder there progress here.

You are one of the examples. You have been in this forum since 2013 yet your forum rank is Member. Now, if someone thinks that the user is completely new, it will be their mistake. There are a lot of forum members who haven't been on this forum, but they know many things about Bitcoin that some of the legendary members don't know.

The problem is, that some new members start to teach other newbies about the forum. If they teach each other about technical things, then it should be okay. But, when you see that a newbie teach other about how this forum works, then they could be alt account.

I actually don’t have issues newbies educating these higher rank positions in the forum regardless of any topic. They have all the means to do that since this forum is not limited only to higher rank members to teach lower positions. As long as they are stating facts and they are giving us relevant information, then I think that will do more good to us.

Meanwhile, it’s also our obligation to evaluate those information we perceived if they’re legit or not. Otherwise, it’s a shame for us if we cannot differentiate those right from wrong information, which I think even newbies are capable of doing that through doing extended researches outside the forum.

I also do not have a problem if a newbie corrects me. But, some people do not accept this from newbies. If they see something knowledgable from a newbie account, they say it's an alt account. Someone is hiding behind this account. But, why don't they understand that newbie is just a forum rank and nothing else? Someone could be new in this forum, but that does not mean that they are new in everything.

Their argument could be, well, they are not new in crypto, but they are new in this forum, then how do they know about old forum events? Well, do you think someone has to spend over a year to know some historical forum events? I don't think so. If someone spends a lot of time exploring the forum, it may take only a few weeks to learn about the forum events.

It really depends on the person, Newbie is just a rank shown when you create an account, but the thing is that is are you a actually newbie, what is I am trying to say is that, this forum is not the only place to learn about cryptocurrency or bitcoin. If you already know a lot about crypto and bitcoin, and you just make an account, your account actually show newbie but you are not, You happened to know all the things before this. maybe you just got familiar with this forum. So you are not called a newbie. because you know a lot about a lot of things you may see in this forum.

On the other hand, Someone who just got familiar with bitcoin and cryptocurrency, at the same time you also heard about bitcointalk, So he makes an account on the forum, he doesn't know anything yet, doesn't know what is bitcoin, doesn't know what is cryptocurrencty, as he spends time on this forum, starts to learn and gain knowlegde about this forum and bitcoin and cryptocurrency gradually starts to rank up. he is called a actual newbie.

That isn't what everyone thinks or says about newbies unless they find something suspicious about them or their activities.  ::) Allegations are only put if there are hints seen by the members about the newbie in question. Otherwise, it's not something unique for a user with a newbie rank having vast knowledge about certain things including cryptocurrencies and the forum.

It would be foolish for someone to blame someone for being an alt just because they have knowledge and they understand the forum because as you stated, it's not rocket science, anyone spending some time in the forum reading everything can learn a lot of things about it.

I won’t measure the extent of newbie with any of the examples you’ve given above. A newbie is beyond all this you’ve made examples with and looking at this your examples deeply, we might find none as newbie in this category and just find out that it is just a tag to their name that was given to them by the forum and nothing much.


A newbie should just be a name attached to a user when they come new to the forum and not on how well knowledge they’ve had about cryptocurrency. We vary on how we are able to learn and assimilate fast when we are new into a place. A user can still have a newbie tag and would have gathered more knowledge than the person having a full member or senior member rank. The knowledge a user has about bitcoin and cryptocurrency should be what they use to describe such user when they come across their post and not their rank. A person will continue to be a newbie to me until they’re able to understand the concept of bitcoin technology and can confidently teach others when they go wrong on it.


There is this general impression in almost everyone’s mind that when a user is still having the tag newbie on their profile, that means they have no knowledge of bitcoin or cryptocurrencies, so they should try as much as possible to learn first before trying to teach others about what they don’t know or just have little knowledge about. Not all newbies are actually that and some of them are just joining the forum which everyone in their first time have to beat for sometime before they begin to rank up. A users post overtime can tell whether they’re actually a newbie to the forum or a newbie to cryptocurrency. When you see such users post in the forum, you can tell which type of newbies they are.

I am not talking about everyone. I am talking about a group of people who always talk to newbies like they are everything here and newbies do not know anything. If newbies start to write something logical and express how deep knowledge they have about Bitcoin or the forum, some of them think it's definitely an alt account.

Let's talk to me about myself. I have some boards on my tracked board list and I always get notifications when new threads get created. In the last few months, I have responded to some threads and done some transactions with forum users. But, another forum member thinks I am farming trust and it's pre-planned. These people's always find something negative about others.

I think you are right, because all the people who are talking or sharing their real experience in this forum are skilled people in one way or another. Some may be experienced in gaming, some in economics, some in trading etc. Many newbies have great experience in the crypto space but some people tend to look down on them. I would like to give an opinion that newbies can never be disrespected they can also have great writing in this forum. We should be go on forward.

I agree with that. But, as I said in my other posts, there are some exceptions as well. Some newbies try to teach others when their own basic is not correct. That's why sometimes they get criticized. But, should we criticize all of them just because of minority number of people? I don't think we should. People should write where are expert. If you are expert in economic, you should write in that section.

I do not see any problem when a person write in other section where they are not expert. They should not try to teach something that they don't know about. Some of us don't even know what we are trying to say. LOL.

I think it’s all coming from the rank name on the forum. If we had these names called things like “Bronze, Gold, Diamond, etc” people wouldn’t really get the feel that a newbie is trying to correct me. For me I respect everyone because you never really know if you could learn from them. Most of the people who join this forum aren’t actually newbies, they just weren’t on the forum and now want to be a part of it. I just think we should be kind in how we relate to people.

In this case it is complicated because everyone knows who is a beginner and who is not a beginner but in normal circumstances you can said that a beginner in cryptocurrency generally or in Bitcoin in particular is someone who does not know anything that concerns Bitcoin but he really have a passion into it. Sometimes when you see a numerous offtopic that is being discussed in this forum, it becomes as a result of unable to understand the system before venturing into cryptocurrency investment or bitcoin investment. The discussion or conversation of a beginner is different from someone who knows the rudiment of cryptocurrency so it beginner in someone who want to know of cryptocurrency and the is ready to learn that is a particular people that is called a newbie.

As far as I know to me a newbie is a person who just signed up and have never moved to the next rank meaning we are just justifying that person based on his or her rank but when a user is dedicated and committed also knowns what he his doing then such person is not a newbie because, he already gained the knowledge but his rank is what limiting him or her from not becoming a higher ranked member.

Furthermore, ranks doesn't determines whether you are newbie or not, your knowledge is what defines you to either be newbie or not that is why when they keeps telling newbies not to do some certain things it gets me weird why because I know very that such person can be a guru in that field but since he or they recently join here newly people would see them as armature or someone who doesn't know what they are doing that is why sometimes when they are posting I do give them and interact with them to learn some different things from the because I believe that not everyone has overall knowledge concerning some certain things.

Giving them space and time to express themselves also shows that we are practicing what the forum is advertising or saying about, which is just freedom for you and I to do whatever thing we wish to do irrespective we are not doing the wrong thing at the wrong time. Rather we should do the right thing at the right time. In nutshell everyone has the right to say whatever thing they have to say, it is left for the user to decides whether they are saying is right or wrong hence requires you to go make your personal findings and if you discovers that what they are passing on to the forum is wrong is then you can also stand a better chance to have them corrected as well.

Just my views
If I am asked to define newbie:: is a person new to this forum.

In correcting others or airing of views, it should be seen based on that person not newbies generally. Since being new here doesn't mean new to crypto and other areas of expertise.

Some might find it hard to receive reviews or rethink (I don't want to say correction). Doing without bias is important in this case so that if a person makes an outstanding point it should be seen for that not be ignored because he or she is a newbie.

In one time or the other we are being reminded of even things we knew. You can imagine that...

Although the statistics of new people without crypto knowledge might be higher when compared to others with the crypto knowhow. But this cannot be a yardstick to use when a newbie proffers their views. Since learning is on going here and outside.

For new people with crypto knowledge being new here could just be to know about the forum, that means they can give good crypto advice. Others must have doubled their learning of btc to also be able to make a valid point.

I believe that by implication, this matter is not different from every day life.. We stand to be guided aright or corrected as the the need be irrespective of membership level. That makes the whole thing centered on the person not the general membership level...