Who is newbie and how long does it take to navigate the forum?

[hopenotlate]

I agree with what you state in opening post : I registered here more than 10 years ago but when browsing/reading some specific forum sections or reading some users posts ( the ones you mentioned for example) I still feel like a newbie. 

[Hyphen(-)]

You should keep in mind that a user's rank is a newbie here, but maybe he was a member of another forum like hacks forum, craked forum, or nulled forum. Maybe they have dip knowledge of coding or other sectors. Now, who should be considered a newbie, and how long would you consider him as a newbie and why?

If the user's forum rank still reads newbie then he or she is a newbie as far as the Bitcointalk forum is concerned. Even if the user has experience from other forums, he needs to get used to the bitcointalk forum to have at least 30 activity and one merit before he can be considered a junior member in this forum.
The time it will take for a user to remain a newbie, according to the forum, is a minimum of 30 days of activity in the forum, but it also depends on how serious the forum user is and how often the user interacts in the forum.

I often see people posts like don't teach others when you are a newbie. This is an absurd word in my dictionary. People like Powerglove or n0nce has far more better knowledge than some legendary members who has earned two thousands merits. So, what is wrong if a newbie try to correct you?

These users have knowledge of tech, some aspects of web development, and others; they are actually adding value to the forum because they are helping in its development, but if you look at how they ranked up, they must follow the forum pattern of activity. That is why, irrespective of the number of merits they have, they must reach the required activity for each rank before they rank up.

[Xal0lex]

I often see people posts like don't teach others when you are a newbie. This is an absurd word in my dictionary. People like Powerglove or n0nce has far more better knowledge than some legendary members who has earned two thousands merits. So, what is wrong if a newbie try to correct you?

A newbie on the forum is just an account on the forum and nothing more. It does not show the knowledge and experience of a person. You can't judge a person's experience and knowledge by a forum account. And personally, I don't see any problem if a forum newbie corrects a user with Legendary rank. The main thing is that it should be a really useful correction and not some trolling.

[Jegileman]

I often see people posts like don't teach others when you are a newbie. This is an absurd word in my dictionary. People like Powerglove or n0nce has far more better knowledge than some legendary members who has earned two thousands merits. So, what is wrong if a newbie try to correct you?

A newbie is just a name used to designate how long a user have spent in the forum by the number of his posts, activities and merit earned in the forum. Knowledge is another different aspect on its own and should not be related to the rank of the user. From the way a user communicates, you can tell how deep his/her knowledge is about what they’re talking about, they shouldn’t be shaded for making a comment and trying to teach or correct others.

Knowledge is not by rank but it is about what you’ve got upstairs in your brains. Although some newbies wants to teach others what they have no knowledge about, in such cases, they should learn instead of trying to teach. A newbie can teach and correct someone if they have the knowledge about it and we should all see it as something okay.

[Zoomic]

We have no yardstick to determine who has gathered much experience and who has not before creating an account in the forum. All we know is that a newbie is someone who is new to the system and has alot to learn from those who have been there before him. So when I begin to see a post from a newbie telling the 'oldbies' (whom they were supposed to learn from) how to go about the forum activities,  it looks kind of weird to me and I'm like "who is behind this account?

This might not be wrong in all cases because we really have newbies who have gathered years of experience from other forums/Platforms before joining Bitcointalk forum. So it is best we take the message they are passing across and forget about who the message is coming from. It should only be a problem if they are giving out misleading information.

[lovesmayfamilis]

A person who has recently appeared on the forum will show himself in one form or another. If a person is inexperienced and writes some kind of post that will be sharply different from his earlier posts, it immediately arouses suspicion, doesn’t it? This is what happens most often when we see a newbie using AI.
But another newcomer, who from the first days proved himself to be an experienced person in crypto, is also very noticeable; I cannot remember a case when anyone doubted such newcomers. If we talk about an alternative account of a person with good knowledge, then observations show that either such people do not have an alternative account, or they do have one, and the person does not hide it.
Therefore, people who come to the forum as beginners but are full of knowledge are unlikely to experience discomfort in communication, while others are viewed under a large magnifying glass.
Is there a problem here?

[Learn Bitcoin]

How long it should take for a newbie to navigate the forum? Given the forum boards/sub boards has well detailed description. How long it should take for a newbie to know some historical events? For example, How long it should take for a newbie to know that satoshi is inactive, Lauda is not here anymore, TECHSHARE died, light_warrior died, Ratimov's fall down and some other things (Not everything at once).

I don't know, but I don't even know if that really matters. Why do you think it's important to (quickly?) learn about forum events and historical facts? I'm interested to hear the motivation behind the question. I'd say let everyone discover the forum at their own pace..

If you ask me the same question I have asked, I would say it depends on how interested the person is, depends on how much time they spend on the forum, and how much they read the topics. No on how much they have posted and how many merits they have earned. I know a lot of members who have been there for ages but they have earned only a few merits in the last five years but they know almost all the historical events. I know some members who have been active since I joined and they were not able to earn 50 merits in the last year but there are some opposites too. A lot of members earned more than 500 merits in a year.

You have asked me what is the motivation behind the question. This is just came to my mind because I saw a lot of people were accused of being alt accounts or they know too much about the forum even though they did not spend a lot of time here in the forum. My question is, how do they know that how long the person spend online each day? There was a time when I didn't post anything but I have browsed the forum all day. Do you think it is necessary to write post to get knowledge from the forum? Or just reading is well enough?

[Sebas.tian]

 Newbies are those that newly join the Bitcointalk with confirmed registration, and they will have some particular activities and merits that will lift them from newbies to member or full member in the community before they will begin to apply for signature campaign to earn money. If I can still remember very well, they must have 10 merits before they can rank up to member and by then, they will have the knowledge of the cryptocurrency, and the rank up that will convince users in the forum that the person is no longer a newbies. I can still remember when I was a newbies with little knowledge of cryptocurrency and I found it difficult to understand some manual that related to cryptocurrency I was reading to understand cryptocurrency, but since I decided to be more active in the forum, I began to acquire cryptocurrency knowledge from the forum that help me to where I am today.

[Bushdark]

I often see people posts like don't teach others when you are a newbie. This is an absurd word in my dictionary. People like Powerglove or n0nce has far more better knowledge than some legendary members who has earned two thousands merits. So, what is wrong if a newbie try to correct you?

A newbie on the forum is just an account on the forum and nothing more. It does not show the knowledge and experience of a person. You can't judge a person's experience and knowledge by a forum account. And personally, I don't see any problem if a forum newbie corrects a user with Legendary rank. The main thing is that it should be a really useful correction and not some trolling.

Op is somehow wrong and he needs to understand that. For the fact that someone registered here and decided to keep updating their account is not necessarily mean that the person actually is a newbie. He might be a newbie in the forum but not to Bitcoin or the Crypto at  large. It is important for us to know how to go about figuring who is a newbie and who is not. The writing style of someone especially when they have so much knowledge in cryptocurrency do not actually make them newbies to the forum.

[suzanne5223]

There's Nothing if a newbie corrects a high-ranking member of the forum so far that it's does not disrespect the user.
From my understanding knowledge is vast someone who is knowledgeable is a certain field can be a newbie in another field since he/she is inexperienced in the space.
About how long it takes to navigate that depend on personal ability and understanding about how to use the forum.

[Sandra_hakeem]

I often see people posts like don't teach others when you are a newbie. This is an absurd word in my dictionary. People like Powerglove or n0nce has far more better knowledge than some legendary members who has earned two thousands merits. So, what is wrong if a newbie try to correct you?

Uhmmm... The problem isn't about you teaching others what to do or correcting them, the problem is about you trying to make requal sense, and at the same time, not being INSULTING... alot of peeps would see themselves on their high horses while creating a ridiculously- composed to thread, all in a bid to own a thread on BTT.
This is a Bitcoin forum and I don't think the ideas in here are conserved.. there are actually so many forums that share the same ideas like we do in here - so there's every possibility that someone would know much about Bitcoin and you don't, newbie or not. All they gotta do is to be INFORMATIVE.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[Learn Bitcoin]

Op is somehow wrong and he needs to understand that. For the fact that someone registered here and decided to keep updating their account is not necessarily mean that the person actually is a newbie. He might be a newbie in the forum but not to Bitcoin or the Crypto at  large. It is important for us to know how to go about figuring who is a newbie and who is not. The writing style of someone especially when they have so much knowledge in cryptocurrency do not actually make them newbies to the forum.

Would you mind pointing out where I am wrong? Would you mind correcting me, please? Your post is full of contradictions. At first, you said I was wrong and I needed to understand something. But, you have pointed our several things that match my idea. I didn't even say what I think in the OP. So, how did you know that I was wrong? If you think so, I would love to correct myself. Would you mind helping me?

This is a Bitcoin forum and I don't think the ideas in here are conserved.. there are actually so many forums that share the same ideas like we do in here - so there's every possibility that someone would know much about Bitcoin and you don't, newbie or not. All they gotta do is to be INFORMATIVE.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Exactly. For example, when I registered to this forum, I was a newbie here but I had other forum experiences like Hacksforum and nulled. But the fact is, those forums are mostly operated to make money and people do unethical things to make money. Scammers everywhere. Even though Bitcointalk do not moderate scams, still it has one of the best system to prevent scammers.

[n0nce]

Do you think it is necessary to write post to get knowledge from the forum? Or just reading is well enough?

Reading is essential. You don't get a lot of knowledge from writing your own stuff; at least for me, it's a way to share my knowledge.

I've been a 'silent reader' (no account) in this and other places for a whole while before registering here, myself. I'm a big proponent of 'DYOR' and learning as much as you can from the plethora of information that's already out there, before asking a question for the thousandth time.

[Learn Bitcoin]

Do you think it is necessary to write post to get knowledge from the forum? Or just reading is well enough?

Reading is essential. You don't get a lot of knowledge from writing your own stuff; at least for me, it's a way to share my knowledge.

That's correct. I agree with that. But most of the people in this forum think differently. For example, if they see a person registered a few months ago but know about the forum, they accuse them of being of an alt account or not a genuine newbie. What do you want to say about it?

I've been a 'silent reader' (no account) in this and other places for a whole while before registering here, myself. I'm a big proponent of 'DYOR' and learning as much as you can from the plethora of information that's already out there, before asking a question for the thousandth time.

If this is the case for you, do you think this could be for other members as well? Do you think there could be more members who did the same as you? If people can read the forum without creating an account, is it necessary to create an account? Even though I have an account, sometimes I scroll the forum without even logging in on my mobile. I write from my desktop only. I also write from phone, but that's only when I am away from home. Thanks for sharing your opinion, n0nce.

[n0nce]

But most of the people in this forum think differently. For example, if they see a person registered a few months ago but know about the forum, they accuse them of being of an alt account or not a genuine newbie. What do you want to say about it?

This has not been my experience, to be honest. I never got accused of something like that. However, I actually did not know a bunch of things before I registered, since I was only ever browsing Development & Technical Discussion and its sub-boards and using web search to find what I needed.

If this is the case for you, do you think this could be for other members as well? Do you think there could be more members who did the same as you? If people can read the forum without creating an account, is it necessary to create an account?

Sure; I'm not anything special, of course other members may have done the same thing. And no, you don't need an account for just reading; especially as a Bitcoin beginner, it's really good to just read and not clutter the forum with questions that have most certainly been answered before (here or elsewhere, like StackExchange).

[PytagoraZ]

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In my opinion, newbies in forums are those who don't understand forum rules, and actually it doesn't take long to find out how forums work as long as we diligently read and view as many threads as possible. I think a month is enough time to understand how this forum works

Newbies in bitcoin are those who don't know about bitcoin and how it works. Even though in theory it may be easy to know, without practice it will be difficult to understand it thoroughly. I still feel like a newbie when it comes to bitcoin because I don't know much about bitcoin

[Razmirraz]

I will try to answer logically based on my views on this question.

First one: A user with a very old registration date but made only a couple of posts, but did not earn merit to rank up and his login time is around 10 hours or so.

This type of newbie will never feel ranked up due to the short login time and limited knowledge. The time spent browsing the forum is very limited, there is no increase in posts. It is very difficult to get out of the Newbie circle as long as there is no desire to explore the forum deeper and improve the quality of posts.

Second one: A user who registered two months ago and spent 7 days login time and earned around 250 merits in the last 60 days and made 500 posts.

This type of user is not a new member on the forum, maybe he is an old member hiding behind Newbie (that's my opinion based on the very fast progress achieved). He really understands how to get merit, his extensive knowledge about crypto and being very close to the forum makes it easier to find a way to get merit.

Third one: A user who has been there for six months and spent 25 days login time but made only a hundred posts but his rank is member or Jr. member.

This user is still unable to interact with the forum due to his limited knowledge, he is very careful when making posts with all the fears that are still bothering him. Maybe he spends more time reading than posting, he tries to absorb the knowledge spread here to increase his knowledge about crypto. Users like this are true newbies, they try to explore forums to expand their knowledge without rushing to rank up.

[qwertyup23]

Interesting discussion- I think this really depends on how you define a "newbie" on a given platform or topic.

According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, a "newbie" is a person who has recently started a particular activity.¹ Given the examples that you provided OP, I think the best person that falls under this category is the first example, which is:

First one: A user with a very old registration date but made only a couple of posts, but did not earn merit to rank up and his login time is around 10 hours or so.

The second and third person had already spent a time on this forum since they have accumulated at least 7 days and 25 days of total log-in time in this forum. It is safe to say that they have already read some posts and even made threads about BTC even if they failed to garner some merit.

Though again this can be a technical discussion since there may be people who are considered as "newbies" despite having lots of total log-in time, the definition of what a newbie is best describe the first person you have mentioned.

Personally, however, I consider all of them as newbies as there are more factors that may upgrade a newbie to an expert.

1 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/newbie

[kawetsriyanto]

A newbie on the forum is just an account on the forum and nothing more. It does not show the knowledge and experience of a person. You can't judge a person's experience and knowledge by a forum account. And personally, I don't see any problem if a forum newbie corrects a user with Legendary rank. The main thing is that it should be a really useful correction and not some trolling.

I really agree with you, mate. A newbie account doesn't always reflect the knowledge of the user, it is just a level of forum account. A newbie account can have a better knowledge and experience than high rank accounts. I often saw newbies that can explain very well about certain matters related to crypto or this forum. So, we can't judge the knowledge and experience based on the level of account forum only. I believe some experts or experienced people, may have newbie accounts. It is because they don't focus on growing their accounts in this forum, they just have the intention to discuss with others. Also, they may have a little time to build their account level since they are busy with their activities in trading or investment.

[Learn Bitcoin]

Second one: A user who registered two months ago and spent 7 days login time and earned around 250 merits in the last 60 days and made 500 posts.

This type of user is not a new member on the forum, maybe he is an old member hiding behind Newbie (that's my opinion based on the very fast progress achieved). He really understands how to get merit, his extensive knowledge about crypto and being very close to the forum makes it easier to find a way to get merit.

I would like to know more about this user. Why do you think he is an old user hiding behind a new account? We know that only posts earn merits for the user. If a new user is capable of generating good content, he should be able to earn quick merits. What's wrong with that? Did you see the two users I mentioned in the OP? What do you think about those users? user n0nce wrote 3400 posts and earned almost 6000 merits. He has earned his first 500 merits in less than 60 days. What do you want to say about it?

Third one: A user who has been there for six months and spent 25 days login time but made only a hundred posts but his rank is member or Jr. member.

This user is still unable to interact with the forum due to his limited knowledge, he is very careful when making posts with all the fears that are still bothering him. Maybe he spends more time reading than posting, he tries to absorb the knowledge spread here to increase his knowledge about crypto. Users like this are true newbies, they try to explore forums to expand their knowledge without rushing to rank up.

Why do you think they are a newbie when they have already spent 25 days of login time? When a user spends 25 days login time, that means he has spent 600 hours just reading the forum and he has only posted when he needed to ask something. It's better to say that the user has no interest in ranking up or earning merits. All he want is to learn more from this forum. That's why he spend 600 hours just reading the forum.