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I've seen this story being mentioned in the NBA threads, but wanted to post about it separately as this is one of the craziest gambling stories I've ever heard of.  I'm not sure if any active pro sports player, at least here in the United States, has ever been permanently banned from their sport while the season is going on like this.  Do you guys think the punishment fits the crime? He broke all sorts of ethical rules and I believe he deserves the punishment he got.

Thoughts in general?

"A league investigation found that Porter violated league rules by disclosing confidential information to sports bettors, limiting his own participation in one or more games for betting purposes, and betting on NBA games," the statement read".

"The NBA also found that prior to the game, Porter disclosed confidential information about his health status to "an individual he knew to be an NBA bettor." A different individual associated with Porter also bet that Porter would underperform March 20 as part of an $80,000 parlay the bettor placed with an online sports book".

To read more about this crazy story- https://sports.yahoo.com/jontay-porter-receives-lifetime-ban-from-nba-for-violating-gambling-rules-162005615.html

I think he got what he deserved, it's totally against the rules of game to disclose such confidential information to anyone.

When someone knows about your state of mind, or state of health then that's going to be something which may allow them to use such information for betting purpose these days.

Jontay Porter intentionally disclosed such information and that's something totally unacceptable. I think that lifetime ban from NBA isn't injustice in anyway because such players can do that again.

The punishment is appropriate definitely, when he decided to cheat the bookmakers, he also cheated many gamblers who bet on his games.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/nba-bans-jontay-porter-after-gambling-probe-shows-he-shared-information-bet-on-games (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/nba-bans-jontay-porter-after-gambling-probe-shows-he-shared-information-bet-on-games)

I just find it very strange that someone is risking their future and much higher earnings for this little money. He must have known that something like this was forbidden and that there would be consequences, maybe he didn't believe that the consequences would be this big, but it seems that he will serve as an example to all other athletes who cheat.

Probably didn't expect he'd be caught. I was listening to the guy in the video and he said Las Vegas is out to get you. Looks like they know everything that went there including those who secretly disclose information.

It'd be good to know who the owner of the betting account who he used to bet. It's not mentioned in the story, I guess that guy has a close relationship with him? Or does he just have a loud mouth?

Anyway, a violation is a violation.

Jontay Porter worked hard most of his whole life to get into the NBA. He can never get it back and has many years left to try to beat back the sadness of having his happy dream explode into a nightmare. It's his fault and he deserves the tough punishment.

I'm seeing a lot of people on social media criticize this lifetime ban and talk about how much more severe the punishment is then what other players have received for more serious crimes.  While this is true, I think that one thing should be remembered for those that want to make this argument...  Jontay Porter didn't do something outside of basketball like assault a woman or get caught with drugs.  These are the typical things we're used to seeing players get suspended over.  From a basketball perspective though, Jontay tried to cheat the game.  On the court amongst basketball players, this is the worst crime imaginable.  You don't cheat the game.  He's being made an example of also because he's not a major player.  If it were someone with a bigger name, then he probably would've gotten a private suspension and spent a couple years playing baseball while he waits to get back in the league...

what a waste of opportunity, this guy basically just threw the job that secures his financial stability.

this guy is probably addicted to sports betting, I mean who in their right mind would risk their job that pays hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions of dollars just to bet on sports and win only thousands of dollars. what he did is extremely reckless and stupid on his part and has only himself to blame for what happened to his basketball career.

The punishment is equivalent to what he did; this is just like fixed match games where two teams or an entire team will have to agree about the outcome of a particular game either based on betting purposes or a mutual agreement between both teams, and one of the team members will then disclose this to their relatives or friends to place a bet based on that information. 

Such information being leaked can lead to a great loss for a company, which is against betting ethics, so he deserves what he got. If it were even possible, whatever was won by those who placed bets on that particular game should have been placed on him to receive a refund.

Just to mentioned as well that he is the brother of Michael Porter Jr, of the defending champion Nuggets.

And as far as I know, there are games that he will really be under performing, he even had a drive and then pass in the last minutes to not score in that game. And again, if I'm not mistaken, there are bettors who suddenly put a lot of money on him, and Vegas caught this odd, that there is something wrong with that particular bet causing it to be investigated.

Yeah, players that are involved in betting should get a lifetime ban no question about it.

This is what makes this even more puzzling, to play on the NBA is incredibly difficult, as there are many kids that have that dream and they train all their lives to do so and they fail, he was privileged enough to get a spot on an NBA team, and while his numbers were not impressive and it could have led to a short career on the NBA, at least he could look at his past achievements and share that with his kids, which will look up to him and want to be just like their dad, but now he has an immense stain on his career, one that could affect him when trying to get some other jobs, as who wants a person inside their company that could sell their corporate secrets?

He is not a well known NBA player, and probably he think that he can get away with it without the NBA knowing what he had done. But unfortunately, he could be doing it for years already and we all know that there is always a first time and so if someone bet on him and with huge amount of money and win, then just a matter of time for him to get caught.

And so with that, it was swift sentencing by the NBA and the guy deserved a punishment and for sure this ruling will echo on those current NBA players that are somewhat betting, specially on their games.

Sometimes these players just get far too greedy, I expect he was on a substantial wage and probably had to follow relatively few rules if he wanted to keep it. A lifetime ban seems a bit excessive, but realistically even if he was banned for 3 or 5 years it would put many players past their prime anyway. I'm guessing he made many of these bets over a long period and potentially profited quite a bit from it. The sort of very specific bets he would have been able to unlock as a player probably gave substantially higher odds than normal bets. I have zero sympathy for the sportbooks or the casinos that rake in huge profits, but cheating players are not exactly the best sort of people either.

well, before you do something, you need to think carefully about what will be the effect on yourself and most of all on the majority? Imagine, you are part of a team, but you are going to disclose information that someone can use to make money, that seems unfair to other bettors who have no idea at all while they trusting your ability, right? if he is banned from the NBA, I think that's right, he deserves it because he has no respect for the game rules, what he did when he disclosed about his health condition, seems like it was intentional for the sake of gambling winning and maybe he is also one of the Gambling participants that's why he could have done that incident.

He deserve it. Selling your future for a couple of bucks
Can't understand why people seeing short term benefit neglect the long term effects.
As a professional there are certain information that shouldn't be disclosed and especially been exploited for their benefit.
Insider trading smells the same with punishment ranging from bad to worst.
I believe the punishment is worth it, This would limit the actions of those doing or planing it from engaging in such.

Yes, I put it in the NBA discussion thread prior to the decision, here. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1220979.msg63868078#msg63868078)

So good riddance to Jontay, and I urge everyone to look at some of his videos while him playing and you can really see that it's all fake about his injury inside, playing for like 5 minute and then be replaced by someone without scoring.

There's something off with this player and it's good that the NBA has ban, and he just throw off millions just for around $80k.

The restriction will definitely affect his well being, like wtf a lifetime ban for violating rules and not just common rules but real and standard rules, the act carried out by Jontay is cheating from my opinion, what was his impression aside the profit involve cause this is strange. Sometimes people should avoid making expensive mistake that can ruin their career or business within seconds.  Everything with an advantage must have a disavantage and consequences but he would have thought twice before making negative decisions just for gain. Lessons learnt and I'm sure people will learn from his mistakes as well

Sure. Examples needs to be made of to give a strong signal against others that are tempted doing that.

But what i am amazed of here, is that these aren't that big of amounts, so how exactly did he raise red flags so that he got caught? What kind of betting irregularities that fall under reasonable suspicion to be investigated further? Is increased betting interest for certain situations just enough for that?

And i can't find any data how did they even do that? It's not like NBA can tap phones or somehing.

I strongly believe that some insider had to have bragged about this hustle and got recorded or something.

I read in Fortune that it's the first time happened where NBA banned a player because of gambling in the last 70 years. Which is the reason why Jontay don't mind of doing that without thinking the cons of his actions.  Probably he didnt expect things will go south after doing things like that or he is just ignorance of the rules.

Now a part of gambling and professional sports history. Porter did himself a favor by thinking that while betting, he can maneuver the game as he's a player of that bet of his own.

And this is getting spicier, a parlay of $80k.. That's sick and he'd really do anything he can to win that bet and not the game itself if he's betting against his team.

So he sold he reputation and career for a mere $80K cashout bet when he was getting a lot more from the NBA. It is my belief that all of these players usually sign legal docs that effectively limits them from disclosing such information and that punishment, imo fits the crime really well. By disclosing such information, he gave his friend an unfair advantage in the game. The punishment is very harsh but if it mild, a lot of players will want to do it too especially if all they can get is a slap on the wrist.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

He worked so hard to throw everything away for a few grand that his salary would have paid more than 10 times in a year. He threw his career and hard work away, I feel pity for the people he has disappointed being his family, friends and fans. He may end going overseas to play but the news will never go away. But if players are not allowed to bet, what about the referees? What's the NBA rules on gambling for referees?

Well deserved imo. It seems like it's not just one, but multiple instances of matches that he did this and he probably went ahead and spread this out to a rather sizeable group of bettors. Pretty easy to see how this breaks the idea of fair play when it comes to sports betting and we all know how sports tournaments have a partnership of sorts with bookies. I guess the level of punishment would've been toned down if the issue was a bit lighter but only they can say really how heavy the violation was.

Also from a few threads I've read, looks like the man is a gambling addict? Guess that's why he gave up his life career for just that much lol.

Honestly I I get the ban.  Betting on the game you play ruins the integrity of the game and people question the legitimacy of it if players are betting or skewing the results.  But the NBA can't wash theor own hands of this.  They literally have the gambling sites advertising on the sport.  I mean what do they expect to happen if they are pushing the agenda?

I've read this news from a friend who sent me the link, two days ago if I remember it right. I was shocked that someone will have the guts to do it and we all know it is a violation. Even non-basketball player knows that and even the fans.

I don't know if that guy even tried to read his contract or the NBA rules and even if he didn't, that information is widely known.
Anyway, I think this is a better punishment to tell everyone in the NBA that violating that rule will have a severe punishment so that they won't even think about doing it.
They are earning millions of dollars for entertainment, don't let it go to waste with just gambling a bit of money and doing crazy shit.
It's sad that he had to work his way up and just fell down in a blink of an eye because of his foolishness.

In my opinion, this is the type of case in which a person has a job but is not satisfied with the salary he earns in that job because he is looking at the high salaries that other players earn while he earns little in his view. I say this because of what I saw in this article:


source: https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nba/news/raptors-jontay-porter-stats-contract-nba-ban-sports-betting/06bc1206b966c87ca217007e

when people get involved in gambling, it is because they want to make quick profits in most cases, so in this player's case, he saw gambling as being the only way to make a lot of money since in basketball the His winnings were small compared to many basketball players and I believe he knew very well that it was not correct to keep betting because he is a player. So he keeps betting because in his mind, he could win a lot of money, unlike his earnings in basketball. the problem with this wrong way of thinking, that one must make a lot of money quickly and that the person does not take the time to think and analyze very carefully the seriousness of the situation

see that now the guy will be left without a salary and without playing basketball, it has destroyed his entire future. when he could have been earning his salary (a lot or a little) and would have had a chance of one day earning a very high salary, but now that he has been banned he has lost all chance, and will probably get a job that will pay him a salary much lower than the salary he he received it when he played basketball. at the end of the day he made the worst choice, which one day he will regret

I know of similar criminal offences because it is criminal fraud to act that way but they have been taken back into the sport in a time below 10 years it might have been five even.   I dont think lifetime is the best option, getting caught at all is already as much deterrent as it can be.  I think ironically its better to reform people and let them back into playing in a cautionary way so they put their failure behind them and move on.

Its definitely a corrupting influence far too widespread, its not just the player but the entire chain of people hoping to benefit from corruption in this way.

Jontay Porter is a professional, he sign a contract and I'm sure he is well aware of the rules.

The punishment is brutal but I think he deserve it because if that is tolerated with light punishment, it will be the reputation of the NBA that will be both put at risk. This news would somehow help the NBA clean their reputation as there are still rumors spreading that NBA is rigged, and now that they make a strong statement through big punishment, people will think they are serious in cleaning the league to make it transparent.

I saw in an article that he made only $20k + from his betting activities but his NBA contract was $2M +... that's a huge waste of opportunity, so where is he going now?

and also for this to be a warning to every sports person from basketball to any type of sports
to never violate or disclose information that should not be broadcasted by any chance.

this has been an issue for some time now and the problem is that there are still  doing this so
banning for me is not enough instead they must be in jail for at least short time for this.

That's really sad to hear, I got surprised by that actually. It's really hard to be part of that league and many players would consider themselves lucky if they get into any team but he is just less than 5 years in the league and managed to do something like this. Maybe the salary wasn't enough of him and try to look for some loopholes to get more money.

If I am not mistaken and if the source were true, they said that sometimes he bets that his team would lose, just imagine that. That's really sad.

Well, oldest trick in the book, insider betting.
This guy is more than stupid risking his whole career over this. With the right improvements to his game and some time development he could have had a NBA like his brother does, and he throws it away for a compared small pay day.  ::)

Funny thing, in the scam accusations here we had one guy who made bets on Jontay Porter's lines at stake ( on the first game that was flagged), 4 digit bets, like 7k and so on. Stake didn't pay him because it was under investigation so he made a thread about it here.
Back then, some months ago, I was also laughing at stake because even I said how hard it is to fix NBA games and this "investigation is bullshxt, well I have been corrected I guess, haha.

Although I feel sorry for him because his behavior might be a result of gambling addiction or influence from external sources I think the punishment is appropriate. Such actions can undermine the game and scare always investors. If these actions become rampant many fans will begin to lose interest in the NBA. So this harsh sanction is an indication that such actions are not tolerated in the NBA.

Greed is the cause of his sudden downfall. I wonder how a player who earns thousands of dollars that can make him live a comfortable life will still want to undermine the games to cheat the system. He is still young and would have made so much money from sports, but now he has been banned he would go to seek other means of earning to provide for himself and his family. All his years of training and hard work had gone down the drain.

This Jontay Porter guy doesn't seem very smart. He got what he deserved, but the problem is that many players are doing the same thing he did.
I'm 100% sure about this. He was just the first guy, who got caught. Maybe he wasn't cautious enough, I guess.
Many people might not agree with me, but I think that sports betting is slowly ruining all sports. Everything is a business now. Everything is about money. What happened to the passion for the game? Banning sports betting won't solve the problem. The sports betting industry is too big to fail nowadays.

What did dude expect when he did this shit? Get away with it? He's not on Ja Morant's level of basketball so he's not really allowed to do this kind of stupid thing, it's a sad thing though that he's going to go away for good just for this kind of thing, I guess that's why it's not a good idea to be gambling when you're a player in any kind of sports, you risk getting this kind of thing and you end up missing out on the money that you could be earning if you weren't banned. I hope that they appeal it to lower it to a less severe ban though.

The amount stated during the investigation might be undervalued, we might not know that this guy is already making millions with syndicates but he was only link to his bets. One can give an information to anyone without connecting his name. He earn millions but made a bad decision for less than $100k, that was the report I read, but there could be more that wasn't uncover, who knows.

All I can say is that he isn't smart because he got caught, and because of that he losses the opportunity to get some inside information and most importantly bet against himself which is a sure win.

Well, that proves that fixing matches is happening in any sport that can be in sports betting. That's also the reason why the referees in the NBA are being too strict or biassed towards the other team. Just maybe this one NBA player is not the only one that is doing this kind of thing; maybe in some other way, a staff or NBA player is doing things in order to manipulate the result of the matches so that the result in the sports betting will also be changed. Such a waste of a career. Just because of greed, he doesn't have a career that brings him money. The crime he commits is so heavy because, sports aside, it is very wrong to make public or share the information of certain players; it is confidential. Now this may be the start where the authority could investigate and catch more wrongdoers, but the worst is that the authority might be involved.

I don't think so the guy is not superstar on the team and he can bring big changes on the result since there are other guy that can contribute big numbers than him. The only problem with him is he violate the rules of NBA which cause him to get a severe result.

Figures seems convincing and maybe he do this regularly especially if he know the team they are facing are more stronger than them. This is prime example that other player should not follow what he do since same as Porter they would just waste their career and millions of earnings for that mistake he made.
That's not really a smart move and decision since for what action he did it cost his future and now for sure he might struggle to find a team that give him big paychecks.

This will be a lesson for players who want to be involved in this kind of foolish act and they need to think twice about which career they want because when going to the NBA, they need to follow the rules and avoid anything that can ruin their career. If they want anything else, then at first they really need to consider quitting their profession so that they can give room to others that are willing to play for the team and want to inspire others with their games, not those who want to cheat and make their way to the top.

What I found dumb on news is why the hell did Jontay Porter KYC his sportsbook account while he can use a crypto casino to remove tracks of his fiat transaction and use friends ID that is not related to him to place bets.

The amount of money he can earn from his whole career is much higher compared to the amount he won with this dumb sports betting that involves his own team. He just throw away his career that many players dream to be on his place. Sucks story just because he place bets.

This is a sign of addiction, infact at the time he was cashing out the 80k$ he might not be thinking straight. One have to keep the rules on anything he's doing on sports rules are ment to be maintained so that the games will be performed correctly. Just as football is planning to bring up new cards and another rules too. From the start, 80k$ is not much for one who's receiving more that 100k$, now he is not permitted to perform in the NBA again (so sad) but he deserves it.

He was probably not aware that there's crypto sportsbook that accepts high wagers, so he choose a KYC one to gamble. Actually, it's not illegal to gamble as long as you don't be on yousrelf or your team, but he was careless and give a sign that he was really violating the rules and that triggers the investigation.

The amount involved isn't that big, he will not go to jail but his punishment is worst than going to jail as it's his career that is over because of that, not only that, he was already banned in playing in the NBA. This is a lessoned learn for other NBA players, to those who are planning to do it or have been doing already but not yet caught, now is the time to stop and be honest.

he really deserved the punishment, because he had lied to many bettors, and fully and knowingly gave his health information to others and bet on other games using other people's names. this is an action that is inappropriate for an athlete, especially if he is an nba player, where many basketball players dream of playing in that league, but he threw it away just to chase some money. this is quite unfortunate, even though if he had played honestly and fairly, he should have been able to make a good name for himself in the league and his image would not have been tarnished like this.

Welcome to the Pete Rose club. I really don't understand why these players take the risks that they do. They are already paid well, but it's never enough. Hopefully this incident doesn't interfere with his brothers success.

I honestly wish that all sports would crack down on idiots. I would like to see players banned for other offenses. The leagues shouldn't condone stupidity.

Even if he gamble on crypto casino still there is a mandatory KYC will be asked so he might still busted on those betting activities he do on sportsbook.

What he did is dumb decisions he made in life since imagine he exchange his career on a short time fun only then cheat or sabotage their game so that he gets a high chance to win. Raptors seems like been betrayed on the action he do while still playing and he deserve that penalty has been dropped on him so that people would know that NBA is so strict regarding on their players betting on sportsbook or any casino. For sure he became a prime example that players should not do the same what Jontay Porter did.

cabron explained it well: Most likely he didn't think he was going to get caught. On the other hand, as far as I know, there is no IQ test to be passed in order to play in the NBA; maybe they should attach one to the multi-million dollar contracts ::)

BTW, in other jurisdictions that stupidity would mean jail time, no matter the amount of money earned.

You are right, the news about Porter has been hot and popular news in NBA sports circles for several days now, the case experienced by Porter, could be a valuable lesson for sports players, especially the NBA, Anyone who is involved in gambling has no tolerance for them, punishments are still enforced and enforced, it is better to lose one person than to lose 1000 NBA fans.

I have seen cases involving basketball players/Porters, as revealed by the NBA.

This is a fatal case for the NBA sports generation, we hope, especially for those who like to gamble on NBA sports, that in the future there will be no more cases like what happened to Porter which could harm NBA fans as a whole.

He deserves jail term for this as a deterrent for future offenders, the guy has no future in the NBA with the kind of stat he had and the Raptors have no problem in their lineup if they remove Porter.

I'm sure before entering the NBA he already knew that the NBA has rules against this, even if he did not win on bets that involved the Raptors he still deserves that punishment

The NBA is a multi-billion dollar industry and they will not let this come to pass, I'm sure they will implement stricter rules to avoid this happening again, the guy is addicted to gambling he exchanges his profession for a chance to win in gambling

Jail time would be too much for this. I'm sure the multi-billion-dollar industry would recognize how much he and his brother contributed to this business. Though he may have turned like a crook at one time in his life, I'm sure they can settle something in the middle. It would be too much to make him look like the worst criminal, I still think this is a victimless offense IMO and they understand that sports men are prone to gambling.

Big businesses like the NFL and NBA will save their people just like OJ Simpson.

What an idiot for making bets on his own team.

He was making something like 1.5 million each season, why throw it away for a few thousand dollars? It’s either total greed or he has a gambling problem.

IMO a long prison sentence would be just. These guys are paid millions per year and are role models for millions of kids. They should be held to a higher standard. All leagues need to come together and come up with a standard they expect their players to live by. Gambling on their sport, drunk driving, battery, domestic battery, murder, guns on instagram, etc all should be instant bans with instant loss of their contract and possible jail time.

These guys wanna have their cake and eat it too and know that they'll get a slap on the wrist basically. Shouldn't be tolerated by the leagues, the teams, the owners, or us the general public.

The punishment he got isn't even justified at all in my opinion, let's imagine a commoner disclosed confidential information to the bettors then he would be imprisoned along with a penalty that he can't able to pay even if he worked throughout his entire life. So ban from the NBA can end his career for now but from the eyes of a neutral party it's just a stunt to save the one who committed.

It got me thinking if he was punished for gambling or for making it too obvious. I think the NBA are being such hypocrites. You see them promote gambling with the ads but would not hesitate to ban players because they gambled.

If you want to stop people from gambling then don't take money from gambling ads.

Jontay may have needed a bit of extra money through sports gambling, but he went the wrong way. He could have at least gambled on other sports, and even if he didn't know the other leagues so well, he could not have gambled in his own league. That was a very stupid move.

Lol I read between the lines there, and while that is a popular conspiracy theory, MJ meant so much to the league I doubt Stern would actually hand out a private ban like some speculate to the guy who did more for the game than anyone in history by a county mile. I just don’t see them giving up all that income MJ made for the game in general. It’s a for profit business after all.  But if he did get a private punishment , we both know he almost assuredly never bet against himself or his team, that’s def the ultimate sac religious no no. Pulling a Pete Rose, ehh, not condoning it but he never bet against his team so ehhh.


Different clubs though. Pete never did anything to jeopardize the outcome for his own team. It’s wrong what he did sure, but not comparable to what this guy pulled. Had it been a Pete Rose situation, would have likely been a temp ban. At least as far as I can remember Pete never bet against his team in any way.

Btw is it NFL season yet bud? Lol. Withdrawals here big time!

IMO, he's addicted already.

It all started with small bet and then later on became big and have realized that he can make money from betting against his own team. A crazy dude indeed.

Many wants to be in his position but he just wasted it. The taboo with gambling athletes is going to stick in the minds of the fans and the brands that has trusted him and sure those contracts will be gone together with the ban that the NBA has given him.

This guy don't appreciate that he's in a better place than the majority of the people in the world. Poor guy.

Like I said, its definitely good riddance to a bad rubbish. He was fully aware of the reasons. Imo, he thought that if he doesn't bet on the outcomes himself but give / sell them to a friend then he isn't liable for any punishment as he was directly gambling against himself. But he was wrong and needs ro be punished as an example for other players.  The punishment is harsh but if it wasn't so, other players will try to take advantage of it.

He got what he deserved. If he's not performing well in a league wherein a lot of people compete to be in, then I don't think he deserves to be even there at all. He had it coming to him, and fortunately it was handed to him in a silver platter. This is similar to match fixing, and sports at the elite level don't need any of these people playing.

Dude's probably not satisfied with the paycheck he's rwceiving and the game that he's playing. I mean, he's got one of the easiest and most lucrative job in the world, why does he feel the need to throw games for a couple thousand dollars?

Then again, there are tons of people willing to sell their dignity for money, and this man right here is one of them.

"My thought". The NBA definitely chose the right player to make an example of in this matter. It brought the message/warning across, and it didn't give them a hard decision because he isn't a player whose name is spelled L-E-B-R-O-N. Because if it was actually a player such as Lebron or one of those "highly-endorsed" players, then we could truly expect the NBA to hide this matter from the public, OR  have the player make a "public apology" + a suspension, but not a life-time ban.

Maybe yes or no on this matter. It’s subjective because there’s rules about this specific matter which even popular names are not exempted to the punishment especially if there’s a player already received punishment on same violation.

I doubt popular player will do idiotic move like this because they already have enough salary and good career. Only minor role player can be tempted to this since they feel that their salary is not worthy while they don’t enjoy the game that much because they have few ball time.

But if Lebron caught doing this. The public will surely enraged if the punishment is not the same to Porter.

Lebron aren't gonna do that stupid thing, he is making a lot of money in the NBA and he is making his legacy, one mistake that like that will eliminate all the success he work hard from the very beginning. Let's admit it, after Kobe Bryant, it's currently Lebron James who are considered as the best player in the NBA although he is already aging, he is a living legend that is still playing actively and producing like he didn't get old.

The NBA can make a lot of story for Lebron, and that would result to money,.. so speculations that NBA might hide it, that could be possible but it's not necessary to reach at that level since Lebron is not gonna do that.

Thoughts in general?
These kind of Activity are deprecable and most of times also linked with criminale activities.
But in general have a strong impact to sport and gambling industry.
Without a serious sanction, even one so radical, people involved will never stop. I can't see other valid solution....

It could be link to criminal activities but what he is doing is not a criminal activity. Porter is probably not the only one doing this but he is one of the few that got caught. He is not a star player, so probably he thought he can increase his income if he will be betting since he know some information a typical bettors don't. I like that the NBA are very strict with implementing their rules, a lifetime ban maybe too much as that would kill the job of a player but its impact might not be good if they'll serve a light punishment. I hope this would not happen again and I'm sure it will send a message for player+gambler who are silently breaking the rules.

Lebron is the second best player ever imo. Kobe top 4-6. Second best shooting guard ever. But I’m not sure how even young kids who didn’t see MJ play and grew up idolizing Lebron are blind to the numbers that MJ put together, outweighing Lebron and Kobe. It’s not a stretch to say had MJ not taken time off he’d have had at least 1 more championship and possibly/more probable than not imo, two more.

Talking character, MJ was an asshole to his teammates, not the greatest guy all around in general and Kobe was pretty similar. Kobe also had his scandals. Lebron, class act through and through. Def a better player than MJ was in his final years, but Lebron is also built like an absolute freak of nature. Though he’s not the player he once was.


A former NBA ref spent time in prison for betting on games, not sure how this isn’t under criminal investigation atm, from what I can see. Doesn’t mean it won’t be, however.

Seems most did not read much in to this case or understand what he did …which was bet AGAINST his own team, as well as got caught purposely not playing to alter the outcome of games and more. This is quite different than simply betting the ML for your own team to win. Had he done that, likely would have been a temp ban.



Yall should watch the clsssic basketball movie Blue Chips. Great movie about college basketball players taking bribes, point shaving, game fixing etc.  A fictional story based on many true events. (Features a young Shaq and Penny Hardaway and other basketball legends). Also has one of the funniest scenes in movie history (Bobby Knight esk) https://youtu.be/5oAIVuFPUdQ?si=h1ni5DPojB3gu8Xo

If proven to be true, then he deserved it 101%.

The problem with game fixing is that it involves a substantial amount of money. If you have at least the slightest power to gain a small advantage on the bets, then it completely ruins the gambling experience and its very essence.

In this example, Jontay Porter betted against his own team and he also has the power to at least influence and control the pacing of the game during his possession with the ball. Additionally, he also has sensitive information about his own team that if he tries to leak their plays, techniques, and system, the other team will gain a significant advantage in which betters would bet on the opposing team.

While it may be unfortunate for him, this is a good start in combatting any type of game fixing that can be possible. Again to reiterate, if you have the power to at least gain a slight advantage over your bets, then that is truly unacceptable and the punishment is fitting for him.

I mean this isn't as bad as people think it is, and a life time ban seems like a big deal. All he did was to let them know he will not be playing, that's it and him not playing can't be such a huge bet. I do not know where people would "jontay porter" focused bets, like how much he will score, over/under , or the minutes he is going to play etc etc. That seems like a very rare bet to find, but that's about it, only thing he did was to disclose he will not be playing. Let's not act as if he himself bet on the game and the winner and missed shots on purpose because of it or something like that.

In the end, he was given a punishment which I think is a lot, but at least he will have a chance to play in some other teams at other leagues.

Well, that's on the League's rules in the first place and for sure he's aware of it. Disobeying something regardless of awareness, means it is intentional, he could even be jailed for such since things are most likely written in his contract. Mistake of him and he's unfair to other gamblers who are betting their luck without assurance of winning, then there he was doing such things at full advantage. What saddens me is the amount; some people are just not really thinking well. If I'm not mistaken his total profit is around $54k on 13(correct me if I'm wrong) matches he got involved into. He should've just focus on his career given that he's being paid a good amount. Now everything's ruined in his basketball in particular with NBA. He can still play form leagues outside the said franchise and this should be enough for him to learn things as well.

If NBA rule states the player is not allowed to participate or be affiliated with gambling ads in any way then the player should have to abide it or need to have the influence to override it. The platform that create money making opportunities for people will always come with restrictions when someone is making more than they expected, surely they can leave the game but they can't afford to because they made billions by playing the same.

The punishment is well deserving for Porter if actually what we have read in this story is true.
We have seen how soccer teams get to lose their spot and drop points and also had to pay huge fines for match fixing allegations and for an individual to have the guts to do such at this day and age, am sure he may not be playing I'm a very long time because this crime is as worse as doping in sports.

It is a warning to people who are in control of determining the outcome of certain game plays. Many match fixing for huge gambling wins always have repercussions when the results seem too good to be true and for sure, the information would leak just as in this case and it will be a walk of shame.

Rules are rules and there's no exemption to that because once you do make out those kind of violation then you would definitely facing up the consequences and just like been said that there would be no exemption for this one and you would really be ending up that regret for your entire life. Imagine about that life time ban on which means that its all over for his career which he had just exchanged it out for some insider information on which it is really just that too impossible that he's not aware about those things but still there are shit decisions that would really be ending up on shit conditions on which there's no turning back
once its been done. So hows the situation of that NBA bettor he do know? For sure he's the one who do make out some good money but in exchange with his career which its not worth.

I agree that the punishment was too big for what he did. Players are just people, they get drunk, they talk a lot, they aren't reminded every day that they are to keep their mouth shut.
Think of a situation that could happen to you. You're a pro player and you throw a party where a lot of people gather up. You're all having fun and they ask you if you can drink because you probably have training tomorrow because there's a match coming up and you say that you have a couple days off because your leg hurts and you had a doctor look at it today and that's it - they figure the rest out that since you're not going to be at training sessions they're not going to let you play in that match. Is that really something that can get you a lifetime ban? I guess it can, but should it? Definitely not. Players aren't some trained spies that can't leak any personal info to friends and family.

NBA is already a good market but Porter chooses the other way, for sure everything is on their contract as it is part of the process to explain the do’s and don’ts while you are still part of the certain league. With this, giving up your career in NBA over gambling can tell something, most probably he’s in dip with gambling and that could be the real problem here. Other league might still be a good option but i believe, he will still ended up like this if he will continue with his gambling activity.

Pretty clear most of yall didn’t read the story.

“disclosing confidential information to sports bettors, limiting his own participation in one or more games for betting purposes

The NBA's investigation found that Porter purposely limited his participation in the Raptors' March 20 game against the Sacramento Kings specifically to influence the outcome of one or more bets on his performance. Against the Nets, Porter claimed he felt ill after playing just three minutes.

NBA also found that prior to the game, Porter disclosed confidential information about his health status to "an individual he knew to be an NBA bettor." A different individual associated with Porter also bet that Porter would underperform March 20 as part of an $80,000 parlay the bettor placed with an online sports book.

he did bet on the Raptors to lose as part of three different parlay bets”

AND he made some non-personally/team related bets quite a few times on top of that stuff.

If he goes to jail at all, hes got a potential familiar bunk mate in his brother (not the NBA player) who was sentenced to 6 years in prison for DUI manslaughter the day he got his ban. What a mess for their parents, though typical the apple doesn’t fall very far

Is it the popular Tim Donaghy who spent some time in jail due to game fixing crime?

This guy IIRC admitted that he is betting on games he is officiating, and as a referee, he has a big influence to change the outcome of the game unlike a player who plays that aren't really getting a lot of minutes. Also, I believe Porter didn't admit of the case but the investigation revealed he had committed a violation, so for me, it's enough to put him into lifetime ban in the NBA.

When you are making this much millions of dollars, and he was making millions, even the smallest paid player in the NBA, ends up getting paid millions, why would you consider this as an option? I have watched a referee scandal on netflix I believe (not sure if it was netflix) and one of the refs back in the day had something similar, he didn't wagered on anything, he just told someone else, and that person wagered on it, and that is how it worked, and eventually that lead to him getting a lifetime ban and even a jail time.

I think it is quite obvious that we are talking about a situation that is serious in the NBA world, we only know these ones, but I am pretty sure that there are a lot more that is going on that we are not aware of yet.

Please get the context.

I didn't say Lebron would do something like that. I'm merely saying that, in general, if someone becomes popular enough I believe that it would be very hard for the NBA to make the unpopular decision even if the person deserves it. Jontay Porter is the best situation for the NBA because they can make an example of him, and it would absolutely be NOT a loss to ban him from playing in the NBA for life.

Refs are more easily get tempted as they are the one officiating the game, hence it's easier for them to manipulate the game on their favor.
As for my research, ref make an average of ;

source (https://www.dunkest.com/en/nba/news/132562/nba-referee-salary-who-is-the-highest-paid#:~:text=NBA%20referees%20are%20some%20of,%24150%2C000%20to%20%24550%2C000%20per%20year.)
So they aren't really making big money unlike those NBA players. It's definitely a waste of opportunity for Porter as in the coming years, if he played better, he might be able to get a bigger contract, with the mistake he made, everything is gone.

Lifetime ban? No doubt, sir. Play silly games, win stupid rewards. Porter broke the rules, not merely bent them. This gamble betrays everything the NBA stands for. Fans give their time, money, and hearts to this game. They want players to always give their utmost. A man betting on himself and manipulating results? It disrespects everyone

Destroying game integrity kills everything. When results become unreliable, what happens? Porter's example was risky. You think younger players won't see this and think it's okay? Accountability is our duty to fans and the sport. Does punishment fit? The hell yes. This isn't about penalising mistakes, but creating boundaries. Cheating gets you expelled. Show fans the NBA takes this seriously by protecting itself. This can't be reversed. Harsh? Maybe. But necessary

I have always been eager to know if there were no punishments for players like Jontay Porter who bet on themselves to lose so they can share in the profit whoever they struck a deal with wins because crazy stuffs like this happen alot and I don't seem to see anyone get punished. No one will take NBA games seriously if cheating becomes a norm. The NBA should be applauded for fishing out cheats like Jontay who play with their fan's loyalty so the integrity of the game can be preserved. This should serve as a deterrent to other players who have nursed the intention of cheating from getting involved in such an act.

You can hear what Michael Porter has to say about his brother here,

https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1781916633726058800


And in related news, Coban Porter sentenced to 6 years in prison for deadly DUI crash same week his brother Jontay banned from NBA. (https://sports.yahoo.com/coban-porter-sentenced-to-6-years-in-prison-for-deadly-dui-crash-same-week-his-brother-jontay-banned-from-nba-221216304.html)

Another bad luck for the Porter family as another one of them will have to go jail.

Well, there's nothing we can do if they had been ended up on being banned forever. Organization wont really be that tolerating such as this kind of violation on which this would really be a good example into those
people who would really be tending to do the same. Yes, its really partly thats too much for this kind of decision making where banning up forever but well its their decisions been made and there might be some revokation for such decision or would really be completely having no chance. This is why if you do really know that the stuff is really that a violation then you shouldnt really be that making yourself that telling those information.
Getting drunk or whatever reason you would be having isnt a solid thing that you could really be able to defend. Yes, we are just humans but theres no such thing about tolerance for whatever violations that you would really be able to commit out. There are really just those people who cant be able to abide with the rules until its too late or giving out that kind of regret that cant be forgotten.

Fans and other stakeholders should see that they are seriously implementing the penalty/punishment to restore the reputation they have for this sports. Otherwise, this will happen again and again and people would lose their trust to this popular sport. As the information can easily be read today via social media, people can easily catch up what is really going on with the sports they are always watching out for.


Some may be happening at a very discreet manner and we only heard rumors about it. But if it is like Jontay's case, then it is already very clear that NBA need to do something with it. Else, people will lose respect to this sports.

Though what he did was wrong by betting on same NBA games, and most especially his team, which is against the NBA rules, but I'm sure by now he must have learnt his lessons and willing to make amends, as a temporal ban would have been okay than a lifetime NBA permanent ban and a six years imprisonment for violating the NBA rules, which kind of seems harsh. But however, this should act as an example to many NBA players not to mess with the rules.

However, in regards to your suggestion above, I think it will be unfair to place whatever amount that was won by the leaked information on him for refund, because from information I was able to get from online, I was made to understand that the the bet was placed by the leaked information (i.e $80k to win $1.1 million) was frozen, which means the leaked information was useless simply because they are yet to have access to the fund.

It's like saying he is ok and life has to move on for his other siblings, the two brothers who are in trouble are old enough to decide their fate so Michael needs to be on his brothers who are not mature enough to decide for themselves

It will hurt their family's reputation but it's more painful for the victim's family, Porter admitted in court that it wasn't the first time that he chose to drink and drive, his behavior is one of waiting for an accident to happen.

That's good to hear.

But with this issue, he can't do anything but just to move on. So, if his brothers have already somethings to deal with their own lives, it's out of the scope already.

And as for everyone, we all just need to move on. He's already received that lifetime ban, means no coming back but hopefully he'll bounce back with any career that he'll do in the future.

Hear a term today for this very incident "No Jontay".

From an article I remembered reading about this when it broke earlier in the week that one bet that was placed on his health condition for a match against Sacramento would of won $1.1 million just for fudging his props:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/04/22/j8fcm.jpeg

Oh I completely agree so I guess I got confused by what you were saying.  There’s no chance that Adam Silver would ever ban Lebron unless he was publicly caught doing something pretty bad. There’s a few players like that, which are damn near untouchable (if they didn’t get publicly caught), of course.  I love Lerbon, and this is partly why, he’s never put himself in that kind of spot.


Who said anything about a 6 year jail sentence? He likely won’t serve any time at all. Being expelled from the NBA is 100% justified. For those that don’t think so, I’m not sure they understand that the what he did was far beyond just betting on games.

I think all NBA players are still popular because all are good players but there are only some who excels a little than the rest and they do because they prove they can. They are most importantly honest about their plays but I think NBA won't give an exception even to them once proven guilty of getting involved in such act.

They need to be fair and transparent or else their reputation is the ones who will get affected and many people won't support them anymore. Doing such disciplinary measures is great, so that there will be no or there are only less players who will attempt of committing such act. I'm sure most players will choose both fame and money over money only and get a bad name.

The organization should really be fair and square on whatever the decisions that they are making and they wont really be that obviously making out some decisions which it would be showing that they are really bias
because once the public will really be able to notice something in regarding about those decisions then it would really be that bringing out that huge question and would really be making issues.
There should really be no exemptions that if ever there's a player that would be able to violate those terms then it would really be that understandable that they would be face up those consequences.
In regarding about this Porter's violation then i do somewhat agree that it is really just that too much on having that lifetime ban. Isnt there some sort of 1st or 2nd warning in regarding with these
kind of violations? If this turns out to be final then there's nothing we can do but to accept it out.

Trust me if you're a big enough name you can get about anything swept under the rug. The most infamous murder trial in US history is one where former HOF legendary NFL RB killed his wife, her bf, drove his white ford bronco on a high speed chase (after the cops had been called to his home on domestic violence disputes 9 times previously), and he was found not guilty. He was, in fact, 1 zillion percent guilty and everyone knows it. Yes this guy wasn't a current player but it's just the most infamous example of athletes getting free passes. He just died, and good riddance to him. ( I doubt I have to say his name for most to know whom I speak of).

Kobe Bryant potentially raped a woman & he was back in the league in no time. It's pretty damming too - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant_sexual_assault_case

Adrian Peterson, one of the best RBs of all time, beat his child (and later caught doing it again), but was back in the league in no time- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2014/09/12/the-details-of-adrian-petersons-arrest-are-disturbing/

Tyreek Hill, former Chiefs now Dolphins super star WR had audio recording admitting he beat his wife and child, Floydd Mayweather, same thing (not to mention Floyd had been a part of so many ponzi schemes it's not even funny, but gets no jail time and back to fighting like they never happened, over and over again (big crypto scam promoter too).  So in sports, where BILLIONS of dollars are on the line, money often trumps justice if you're good enough.  Just a few examples of MANY!

If you're not that great, you get this kind of punishment (see MLB player Addison Russel for another example).

I think the NBA are fair, they've even suspended Ja Morant last year when he was caught caught flashing a gun on a social media. And this is not the first time that we have seen players being banned for life for whatever reasons like point shaving or drug substance abuse.

And this players know the risk, we even have one referee as well. Imagine a referee officiating the game and changing the course of the outcome because he had a huge bet on it. Like this one on Jontay, the NBA has suspected that he did tell someone about his condition before the game.

There is no condition. He made an injury they didn't find or treated yet. Just feeling something suspicious in his eye and therefor can't continue playing.
He made that because he saw getting the under on all his props gets tricky. Sometimes they ball is just coming to you for a rebound, it's hard to not grab that ball without looking super suspicious.

Morant was a different story. Flashing a gun has no victims, it's just bad for the "clean" image of the NBA and it's role model status. So he just got a short band, followed by another one, so he can learn from it.
Fixing games is bad for the league as a whole since it tarnishes it's reputation.

I agree with it, fixing games could really affect the NBA as a whole because it will loss its integrity if they'll not put an action to it. Just imagine how much the NBA loss when slowly people are leaving and will not be interested in watching the league because they think the league is a joke and games are rig.

No excitement, a loss of business opportunity, so they'll need to send a strong message that "game fixing" is not allowed and it's a mortal sin.

Ja Morant may not be a good role model but the NBA have made actions to it, and he came back strong and maybe a new man with a clear vision.

But that is not what happened, he purposely revealed information about his health, faked injuries and bet against his own team using the account of other gamblers, this clearly show intent on his part to manipulate the results, cheat the sportbooks, his team, teammates, the NBA and the fans as a whole, and the rules are very specific about the kind of punishment that he deserves and that is exactly what he got, and it is even possible he will get jailed and he will have to return all the money that he was paid for those bets and by the Raptors, as this is clearly a breach of contract on his part.

Totally got what was coming for him. Couldn't picture why people who get paid literal millions, with shoe deals and a whole life of success ahead of them manage to fuck things up just cause they couldn't either keep their dicks inside their pants, or because they couldn't stop gambling, and not even just regular gambling, like literal sportsbetting which is strictly prohibited as an insider, given the fact that most of these games are fragile, and even a slight sway of "hey I made a bet that you guys will lose this game, I'll get you half the winnings if I win" could do something for the integrity of the game.

And apparently that's not all, he purposely orchestrated a series of events that would eventually lead to him "getting away with betting", good thing he was caught red-handed cause what else would he be able to do if he wasn't caught doing this, against his team of all things too lol.

Fixing is a bitch man, and more so these people who are literally set for life ruining their shit and the integrity of the game all because they don't know how to control their gambling urges, or plain greed when they practically have everything in their hands.

The right definition of it, it's greed. It's a disgrace to the NBA and also to his brother Michael Porter Jr. who is an NBA champion and is set to receive a huge salary when he renew for the Denver Nuggets. they are a successful family but due to greed, he made some stupid mistakes that he cannot hide anymore and that resulted to the biggest punishment of his life although he wasn't jailed. Just imagine, you work for your passion, achieve your ambition to be in the  NBA and in just one mistake, everything was taken from you, I wonder how he is feeling now, I hope he can still recover.

We all make mistakes because we are just human but this kind of mistake is too serious that it has destroyed his dream. Well, there's no one he could blame but himself since he was knowingly violating the rules and he knows the sanction for that. I don't have news about him now, but maybe he continue gambling and no more hindrance since he doesn't have a job anymore, he can just focus on sports betting.


For sure he can still recover, but life is not the same as before as he is not anymore making millions, unless he will become a successful gambler and proved to the world that he can make a living in gambling.

Probably that is the exact reason why he ruined his career by doing that shitty bet. He probably pressured by the career of MPJ that’s why he doesn’t care anymore on his career and just do this kind of bets in able to get extra salary that cause him everything.

I’m can’t comprehend how dumb this player by using his own identity to create casino account and bet to match that involves his own team. This is madness to think that he should just use proxy account for his bets to hide his identity.