"Jontay Porter receives lifetime ban from NBA for violating gambling rules"

[ChiBitCTy]

Thoughts in general?

"My thought". The NBA definitely chose the right player to make an example of in this matter. It brought the message/warning across, and it didn't give them a hard decision because he isn't a player whose name is spelled L-E-B-R-O-N. Because if it was actually a player such as Lebron or one of those "highly-endorsed" players, then we could truly expect the NBA to hide this matter from the public, OR  have the player make a "public apology" + a suspension, but not a life-time ban.

Maybe yes or no on this matter. It’s subjective because there’s rules about this specific matter which even popular names are not exempted to the punishment especially if there’s a player already received punishment on same violation.

I doubt popular player will do idiotic move like this because they already have enough salary and good career. Only minor role player can be tempted to this since they feel that their salary is not worthy while they don’t enjoy the game that much because they have few ball time.

But if Lebron caught doing this. The public will surely enraged if the punishment is not the same to Porter.

Lebron aren't gonna do that stupid thing, he is making a lot of money in the NBA and he is making his legacy, one mistake that like that will eliminate all the success he work hard from the very beginning. Let's admit it, after Kobe Bryant, it's currently Lebron James who are considered as the best player in the NBA although he is already aging, he is a living legend that is still playing actively and producing like he didn't get old.

The NBA can make a lot of story for Lebron, and that would result to money,.. so speculations that NBA might hide it, that could be possible but it's not necessary to reach at that level since Lebron is not gonna do that.

Lebron is the second best player ever imo. Kobe top 4-6. Second best shooting guard ever. But I’m not sure how even young kids who didn’t see MJ play and grew up idolizing Lebron are blind to the numbers that MJ put together, outweighing Lebron and Kobe. It’s not a stretch to say had MJ not taken time off he’d have had at least 1 more championship and possibly/more probable than not imo, two more.

Talking character, MJ was an asshole to his teammates, not the greatest guy all around in general and Kobe was pretty similar. Kobe also had his scandals. Lebron, class act through and through. Def a better player than MJ was in his final years, but Lebron is also built like an absolute freak of nature. Though he’s not the player he once was.

Thoughts in general?
These kind of Activity are deprecable and most of times also linked with criminale activities.
But in general have a strong impact to sport and gambling industry.
Without a serious sanction, even one so radical, people involved will never stop. I can't see other valid solution....

It could be link to criminal activities but what he is doing is not a criminal activity. Porter is probably not the only one doing this but he is one of the few that got caught. He is not a star player, so probably he thought he can increase his income if he will be betting since he know some information a typical bettors don't. I like that the NBA are very strict with implementing their rules, a lifetime ban maybe too much as that would kill the job of a player but its impact might not be good if they'll serve a light punishment. I hope this would not happen again and I'm sure it will send a message for player+gambler who are silently breaking the rules.

A former NBA ref spent time in prison for betting on games, not sure how this isn’t under criminal investigation atm, from what I can see. Doesn’t mean it won’t be, however.

Seems most did not read much in to this case or understand what he did …which was bet AGAINST his own team, as well as got caught purposely not playing to alter the outcome of games and more. This is quite different than simply betting the ML for your own team to win. Had he done that, likely would have been a temp ban.



Yall should watch the clsssic basketball movie Blue Chips. Great movie about college basketball players taking bribes, point shaving, game fixing etc.  A fictional story based on many true events. (Features a young Shaq and Penny Hardaway and other basketball legends). Also has one of the funniest scenes in movie history (Bobby Knight esk) https://youtu.be/5oAIVuFPUdQ?si=h1ni5DPojB3gu8Xo

[qwertyup23]

Thoughts in general?
These kind of Activity are deprecable and most of times also linked with criminale activities.
But in general have a strong impact to sport and gambling industry.
Without a serious sanction, even one so radical, people involved will never stop. I can't see other valid solution....

If proven to be true, then he deserved it 101%.

The problem with game fixing is that it involves a substantial amount of money. If you have at least the slightest power to gain a small advantage on the bets, then it completely ruins the gambling experience and its very essence.

In this example, Jontay Porter betted against his own team and he also has the power to at least influence and control the pacing of the game during his possession with the ball. Additionally, he also has sensitive information about his own team that if he tries to leak their plays, techniques, and system, the other team will gain a significant advantage in which betters would bet on the opposing team.

While it may be unfortunate for him, this is a good start in combatting any type of game fixing that can be possible. Again to reiterate, if you have the power to at least gain a slight advantage over your bets, then that is truly unacceptable and the punishment is fitting for him.

[jaberwock]

I've seen this story being mentioned in the NBA threads, but wanted to post about it separately as this is one of the craziest gambling stories I've ever heard of.  I'm not sure if any active pro sports player, at least here in the United States, has ever been permanently banned from their sport while the season is going on like this.  Do you guys think the punishment fits the crime? He broke all sorts of ethical rules and I believe he deserves the punishment he got.

Thoughts in general?

I mean this isn't as bad as people think it is, and a life time ban seems like a big deal. All he did was to let them know he will not be playing, that's it and him not playing can't be such a huge bet. I do not know where people would "jontay porter" focused bets, like how much he will score, over/under , or the minutes he is going to play etc etc. That seems like a very rare bet to find, but that's about it, only thing he did was to disclose he will not be playing. Let's not act as if he himself bet on the game and the winner and missed shots on purpose because of it or something like that.

In the end, he was given a punishment which I think is a lot, but at least he will have a chance to play in some other teams at other leagues.

[Yatsan]

Well, that's on the League's rules in the first place and for sure he's aware of it. Disobeying something regardless of awareness, means it is intentional, he could even be jailed for such since things are most likely written in his contract. Mistake of him and he's unfair to other gamblers who are betting their luck without assurance of winning, then there he was doing such things at full advantage. What saddens me is the amount; some people are just not really thinking well. If I'm not mistaken his total profit is around $54k on 13(correct me if I'm wrong) matches he got involved into. He should've just focus on his career given that he's being paid a good amount. Now everything's ruined in his basketball in particular with NBA. He can still play form leagues outside the said franchise and this should be enough for him to learn things as well.

[Findingnemo]

The punishment he got isn't even justified at all in my opinion, let's imagine a commoner disclosed confidential information to the bettors then he would be imprisoned along with a penalty that he can't able to pay even if he worked throughout his entire life. So ban from the NBA can end his career for now but from the eyes of a neutral party it's just a stunt to save the one who committed.

It got me thinking if he was punished for gambling or for making it too obvious. I think the NBA are being such hypocrites. You see them promote gambling with the ads but would not hesitate to ban players because they gambled.

If you want to stop people from gambling then don't take money from gambling ads.

Jontay may have needed a bit of extra money through sports gambling, but he went the wrong way. He could have at least gambled on other sports, and even if he didn't know the other leagues so well, he could not have gambled in his own league. That was a very stupid move.

If NBA rule states the player is not allowed to participate or be affiliated with gambling ads in any way then the player should have to abide it or need to have the influence to override it. The platform that create money making opportunities for people will always come with restrictions when someone is making more than they expected, surely they can leave the game but they can't afford to because they made billions by playing the same.

[Stepstowealth]

Thoughts in general?
These kind of Activity are deprecable and most of times also linked with criminale activities.
But in general have a strong impact to sport and gambling industry.
Without a serious sanction, even one so radical, people involved will never stop. I can't see other valid solution....

If proven to be true, then he deserved it 101%.

The problem with game fixing is that it involves a substantial amount of money. If you have at least the slightest power to gain a small advantage on the bets, then it completely ruins the gambling experience and its very essence.

In this example, Jontay Porter betted against his own team and he also has the power to at least influence and control the pacing of the game during his possession with the ball. Additionally, he also has sensitive information about his own team that if he tries to leak their plays, techniques, and system, the other team will gain a significant advantage in which betters would bet on the opposing team.

While it may be unfortunate for him, this is a good start in combatting any type of game fixing that can be possible. Again to reiterate, if you have the power to at least gain a slight advantage over your bets, then that is truly unacceptable and the punishment is fitting for him.

The punishment is well deserving for Porter if actually what we have read in this story is true.
We have seen how soccer teams get to lose their spot and drop points and also had to pay huge fines for match fixing allegations and for an individual to have the guts to do such at this day and age, am sure he may not be playing I'm a very long time because this crime is as worse as doping in sports.

It is a warning to people who are in control of determining the outcome of certain game plays. Many match fixing for huge gambling wins always have repercussions when the results seem too good to be true and for sure, the information would leak just as in this case and it will be a walk of shame.

[Lanatsa]

I've seen this story being mentioned in the NBA threads, but wanted to post about it separately as this is one of the craziest gambling stories I've ever heard of.  I'm not sure if any active pro sports player, at least here in the United States, has ever been permanently banned from their sport while the season is going on like this.  Do you guys think the punishment fits the crime? He broke all sorts of ethical rules and I believe he deserves the punishment he got.

Thoughts in general?

"A league investigation found that Porter violated league rules by disclosing confidential information to sports bettors, limiting his own participation in one or more games for betting purposes, and betting on NBA games," the statement read".

"The NBA also found that prior to the game, Porter disclosed confidential information about his health status to "an individual he knew to be an NBA bettor." A different individual associated with Porter also bet that Porter would underperform March 20 as part of an $80,000 parlay the bettor placed with an online sports book".

To read more about this crazy story- https://sports.yahoo.com/jontay-porter-receives-lifetime-ban-from-nba-for-violating-gambling-rules-162005615.html

Rules are rules and there's no exemption to that because once you do make out those kind of violation then you would definitely facing up the consequences and just like been said that there would be no exemption for this one and you would really be ending up that regret for your entire life. Imagine about that life time ban on which means that its all over for his career which he had just exchanged it out for some insider information on which it is really just that too impossible that he's not aware about those things but still there are shit decisions that would really be ending up on shit conditions on which there's no turning back
once its been done. So hows the situation of that NBA bettor he do know? For sure he's the one who do make out some good money but in exchange with his career which its not worth.

[darkangel11]

I mean this isn't as bad as people think it is, and a life time ban seems like a big deal. All he did was to let them know he will not be playing, that's it and him not playing can't be such a huge bet. I do not know where people would "jontay porter" focused bets, like how much he will score, over/under , or the minutes he is going to play etc etc. That seems like a very rare bet to find, but that's about it, only thing he did was to disclose he will not be playing. Let's not act as if he himself bet on the game and the winner and missed shots on purpose because of it or something like that.

In the end, he was given a punishment which I think is a lot, but at least he will have a chance to play in some other teams at other leagues.

I agree that the punishment was too big for what he did. Players are just people, they get drunk, they talk a lot, they aren't reminded every day that they are to keep their mouth shut.
Think of a situation that could happen to you. You're a pro player and you throw a party where a lot of people gather up. You're all having fun and they ask you if you can drink because you probably have training tomorrow because there's a match coming up and you say that you have a couple days off because your leg hurts and you had a doctor look at it today and that's it - they figure the rest out that since you're not going to be at training sessions they're not going to let you play in that match. Is that really something that can get you a lifetime ban? I guess it can, but should it? Definitely not. Players aren't some trained spies that can't leak any personal info to friends and family.

[goaldigger]

Well, that's on the League's rules in the first place and for sure he's aware of it. Disobeying something regardless of awareness, means it is intentional, he could even be jailed for such since things are most likely written in his contract. Mistake of him and he's unfair to other gamblers who are betting their luck without assurance of winning, then there he was doing such things at full advantage. What saddens me is the amount; some people are just not really thinking well. If I'm not mistaken his total profit is around $54k on 13(correct me if I'm wrong) matches he got involved into. He should've just focus on his career given that he's being paid a good amount. Now everything's ruined in his basketball in particular with NBA. He can still play form leagues outside the said franchise and this should be enough for him to learn things as well.

NBA is already a good market but Porter chooses the other way, for sure everything is on their contract as it is part of the process to explain the do’s and don’ts while you are still part of the certain league. With this, giving up your career in NBA over gambling can tell something, most probably he’s in dip with gambling and that could be the real problem here. Other league might still be a good option but i believe, he will still ended up like this if he will continue with his gambling activity.

[ChiBitCTy]

Pretty clear most of yall didn’t read the story.

“disclosing confidential information to sports bettors, limiting his own participation in one or more games for betting purposes

The NBA's investigation found that Porter purposely limited his participation in the Raptors' March 20 game against the Sacramento Kings specifically to influence the outcome of one or more bets on his performance. Against the Nets, Porter claimed he felt ill after playing just three minutes.

NBA also found that prior to the game, Porter disclosed confidential information about his health status to "an individual he knew to be an NBA bettor." A different individual associated with Porter also bet that Porter would underperform March 20 as part of an $80,000 parlay the bettor placed with an online sports book.

he did bet on the Raptors to lose as part of three different parlay bets”

AND he made some non-personally/team related bets quite a few times on top of that stuff.

If he goes to jail at all, hes got a potential familiar bunk mate in his brother (not the NBA player) who was sentenced to 6 years in prison for DUI manslaughter the day he got his ban. What a mess for their parents, though typical the apple doesn’t fall very far

[Distinctin]

Thoughts in general?
These kind of Activity are deprecable and most of times also linked with criminale activities.
But in general have a strong impact to sport and gambling industry.
Without a serious sanction, even one so radical, people involved will never stop. I can't see other valid solution....

It could be link to criminal activities but what he is doing is not a criminal activity. Porter is probably not the only one doing this but he is one of the few that got caught. He is not a star player, so probably he thought he can increase his income if he will be betting since he know some information a typical bettors don't. I like that the NBA are very strict with implementing their rules, a lifetime ban maybe too much as that would kill the job of a player but its impact might not be good if they'll serve a light punishment. I hope this would not happen again and I'm sure it will send a message for player+gambler who are silently breaking the rules.

A former NBA ref spent time in prison for betting on games, not sure how this isn’t under criminal investigation atm, from what I can see. Doesn’t mean it won’t be, however.

Seems most did not read much in to this case or understand what he did …which was bet AGAINST his own team, as well as got caught purposely not playing to alter the outcome of games and more. This is quite different than simply betting the ML for your own team to win. Had he done that, likely would have been a temp ban.



Yall should watch the clsssic basketball movie Blue Chips. Great movie about college basketball players taking bribes, point shaving, game fixing etc.  A fictional story based on many true events. (Features a young Shaq and Penny Hardaway and other basketball legends). Also has one of the funniest scenes in movie history (Bobby Knight esk) https://youtu.be/5oAIVuFPUdQ?si=h1ni5DPojB3gu8Xo

Is it the popular Tim Donaghy who spent some time in jail due to game fixing crime?

This guy IIRC admitted that he is betting on games he is officiating, and as a referee, he has a big influence to change the outcome of the game unlike a player who plays that aren't really getting a lot of minutes. Also, I believe Porter didn't admit of the case but the investigation revealed he had committed a violation, so for me, it's enough to put him into lifetime ban in the NBA.

[FanEagle]

When you are making this much millions of dollars, and he was making millions, even the smallest paid player in the NBA, ends up getting paid millions, why would you consider this as an option? I have watched a referee scandal on netflix I believe (not sure if it was netflix) and one of the refs back in the day had something similar, he didn't wagered on anything, he just told someone else, and that person wagered on it, and that is how it worked, and eventually that lead to him getting a lifetime ban and even a jail time.

I think it is quite obvious that we are talking about a situation that is serious in the NBA world, we only know these ones, but I am pretty sure that there are a lot more that is going on that we are not aware of yet.

[Wind_FURY]

Thoughts in general?

"My thought". The NBA definitely chose the right player to make an example of in this matter. It brought the message/warning across, and it didn't give them a hard decision because he isn't a player whose name is spelled L-E-B-R-O-N. Because if it was actually a player such as Lebron or one of those "highly-endorsed" players, then we could truly expect the NBA to hide this matter from the public, OR  have the player make a "public apology" + a suspension, but not a life-time ban.

Maybe yes or no on this matter. It’s subjective because there’s rules about this specific matter which even popular names are not exempted to the punishment especially if there’s a player already received punishment on same violation.

I doubt popular player will do idiotic move like this because they already have enough salary and good career. Only minor role player can be tempted to this since they feel that their salary is not worthy while they don’t enjoy the game that much because they have few ball time.

But if Lebron caught doing this. The public will surely enraged if the punishment is not the same to Porter.

Please get the context.

I didn't say Lebron would do something like that. I'm merely saying that, in general, if someone becomes popular enough I believe that it would be very hard for the NBA to make the unpopular decision even if the person deserves it. Jontay Porter is the best situation for the NBA because they can make an example of him, and it would absolutely be NOT a loss to ban him from playing in the NBA for life.

[stadus]

When you are making this much millions of dollars, and he was making millions, even the smallest paid player in the NBA, ends up getting paid millions, why would you consider this as an option? I have watched a referee scandal on netflix I believe (not sure if it was netflix) and one of the refs back in the day had something similar, he didn't wagered on anything, he just told someone else, and that person wagered on it, and that is how it worked, and eventually that lead to him getting a lifetime ban and even a jail time.

I think it is quite obvious that we are talking about a situation that is serious in the NBA world, we only know these ones, but I am pretty sure that there are a lot more that is going on that we are not aware of yet.

Refs are more easily get tempted as they are the one officiating the game, hence it's easier for them to manipulate the game on their favor.
As for my research, ref make an average of ;

with a salary that range from $150,000 to $550,000 per year.

source
So they aren't really making big money unlike those NBA players. It's definitely a waste of opportunity for Porter as in the coming years, if he played better, he might be able to get a bigger contract, with the mistake he made, everything is gone.

[slapper]

Lifetime ban? No doubt, sir. Play silly games, win stupid rewards. Porter broke the rules, not merely bent them. This gamble betrays everything the NBA stands for. Fans give their time, money, and hearts to this game. They want players to always give their utmost. A man betting on himself and manipulating results? It disrespects everyone

Destroying game integrity kills everything. When results become unreliable, what happens? Porter's example was risky. You think younger players won't see this and think it's okay? Accountability is our duty to fans and the sport. Does punishment fit? The hell yes. This isn't about penalising mistakes, but creating boundaries. Cheating gets you expelled. Show fans the NBA takes this seriously by protecting itself. This can't be reversed. Harsh? Maybe. But necessary

[Zoomic]

Lifetime ban? No doubt, sir. Play silly games, win stupid rewards. Porter broke the rules, not merely bent them. This gamble betrays everything the NBA stands for. Fans give their time, money, and hearts to this game. They want players to always give their utmost. A man betting on himself and manipulating results? It disrespects everyone

Destroying game integrity kills everything. When results become unreliable, what happens? Porter's example was risky. You think younger players won't see this and think it's okay? Accountability is our duty to fans and the sport. Does punishment fit? The hell yes. This isn't about penalising mistakes, but creating boundaries. Cheating gets you expelled. Show fans the NBA takes this seriously by protecting itself. This can't be reversed. Harsh? Maybe. But necessary

I have always been eager to know if there were no punishments for players like Jontay Porter who bet on themselves to lose so they can share in the profit whoever they struck a deal with wins because crazy stuffs like this happen alot and I don't seem to see anyone get punished. No one will take NBA games seriously if cheating becomes a norm. The NBA should be applauded for fishing out cheats like Jontay who play with their fan's loyalty so the integrity of the game can be preserved. This should serve as a deterrent to other players who have nursed the intention of cheating from getting involved in such an act.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

You can hear what Michael Porter has to say about his brother here,

https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1781916633726058800

“some bad and sad stuff happening with a couple of my brothers. But I've got, you know 15, 16 more brothers in here. I knew I had to be here for them.”

And in related news, Coban Porter sentenced to 6 years in prison for deadly DUI crash same week his brother Jontay banned from NBA.

Another bad luck for the Porter family as another one of them will have to go jail.

[stomachgrowls]

I mean this isn't as bad as people think it is, and a life time ban seems like a big deal. All he did was to let them know he will not be playing, that's it and him not playing can't be such a huge bet. I do not know where people would "jontay porter" focused bets, like how much he will score, over/under , or the minutes he is going to play etc etc. That seems like a very rare bet to find, but that's about it, only thing he did was to disclose he will not be playing. Let's not act as if he himself bet on the game and the winner and missed shots on purpose because of it or something like that.

In the end, he was given a punishment which I think is a lot, but at least he will have a chance to play in some other teams at other leagues.

I agree that the punishment was too big for what he did. Players are just people, they get drunk, they talk a lot, they aren't reminded every day that they are to keep their mouth shut.
Think of a situation that could happen to you. You're a pro player and you throw a party where a lot of people gather up. You're all having fun and they ask you if you can drink because you probably have training tomorrow because there's a match coming up and you say that you have a couple days off because your leg hurts and you had a doctor look at it today and that's it - they figure the rest out that since you're not going to be at training sessions they're not going to let you play in that match. Is that really something that can get you a lifetime ban? I guess it can, but should it? Definitely not. Players aren't some trained spies that can't leak any personal info to friends and family.

Well, there's nothing we can do if they had been ended up on being banned forever. Organization wont really be that tolerating such as this kind of violation on which this would really be a good example into those
people who would really be tending to do the same. Yes, its really partly thats too much for this kind of decision making where banning up forever but well its their decisions been made and there might be some revokation for such decision or would really be completely having no chance. This is why if you do really know that the stuff is really that a violation then you shouldnt really be that making yourself that telling those information.
Getting drunk or whatever reason you would be having isnt a solid thing that you could really be able to defend. Yes, we are just humans but theres no such thing about tolerance for whatever violations that you would really be able to commit out. There are really just those people who cant be able to abide with the rules until its too late or giving out that kind of regret that cant be forgotten.

[AmoreJaz]

Lifetime ban? No doubt, sir. Play silly games, win stupid rewards. Porter broke the rules, not merely bent them. This gamble betrays everything the NBA stands for. Fans give their time, money, and hearts to this game. They want players to always give their utmost. A man betting on himself and manipulating results? It disrespects everyone

Destroying game integrity kills everything. When results become unreliable, what happens? Porter's example was risky. You think younger players won't see this and think it's okay? Accountability is our duty to fans and the sport. Does punishment fit? The hell yes. This isn't about penalising mistakes, but creating boundaries. Cheating gets you expelled. Show fans the NBA takes this seriously by protecting itself. This can't be reversed. Harsh? Maybe. But necessary

Fans and other stakeholders should see that they are seriously implementing the penalty/punishment to restore the reputation they have for this sports. Otherwise, this will happen again and again and people would lose their trust to this popular sport. As the information can easily be read today via social media, people can easily catch up what is really going on with the sports they are always watching out for.

I have always been eager to know if there were no punishments for players like Jontay Porter who bet on themselves to lose so they can share in the profit whoever they struck a deal with wins because crazy stuffs like this happen alot and I don't seem to see anyone get punished. No one will take NBA games seriously if cheating becomes a norm. The NBA should be applauded for fishing out cheats like Jontay who play with their fan's loyalty so the integrity of the game can be preserved. This should serve as a deterrent to other players who have nursed the intention of cheating from getting involved in such an act.

Some may be happening at a very discreet manner and we only heard rumors about it. But if it is like Jontay's case, then it is already very clear that NBA need to do something with it. Else, people will lose respect to this sports.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

Such information being leaked can lead to a great loss for a company, which is against betting ethics, so he deserves what he got. If it were even possible, whatever was won by those who placed bets on that particular game should have been placed on him to receive a refund.

Though what he did was wrong by betting on same NBA games, and most especially his team, which is against the NBA rules, but I'm sure by now he must have learnt his lessons and willing to make amends, as a temporal ban would have been okay than a lifetime NBA permanent ban and a six years imprisonment for violating the NBA rules, which kind of seems harsh. But however, this should act as an example to many NBA players not to mess with the rules.

However, in regards to your suggestion above, I think it will be unfair to place whatever amount that was won by the leaked information on him for refund, because from information I was able to get from online, I was made to understand that the the bet was placed by the leaked information (i.e $80k to win $1.1 million) was frozen, which means the leaked information was useless simply because they are yet to have access to the fund.