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Almost anyone reading this thread should know freebitco.in. It started as a faucet and has been one of the biggest faucets we've ever had. After a while, freebitco became a casino while still being one of the biggest faucets. Freebitco has been around for more than 10 years and is running a signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230893.0) on the forum.
If you visit FreeBitco.in thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320959.29140), you will see many complaints about their service in the past 2 months and their number is growing fast.
I didn't make this topic on Scam accusation board, as I hope the issues are solved soon.

The main issues in the past days have been as follows.

• Users don't get the authorization email when requesting withdrawals and only those users that have enabled 2FA could make withdrawal.
  
• Until a few hours ago, those users that had enabled 2FA could make withdrawal without any need to confirm the withdrawal via their email. According to reports posted by some users in their thread, in the past hours, even those users that have enabled 2FA have been unable to withdraw their fund.
  
• Some users reported they get an error saying the password is incorrect while they entered the correct password. Also, there is no way to reset the password, since they don't receive the email.
• Freebitco's representative, TheQuin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=143168) is no longer responsive to users. He was very active before. freebitco.in PR (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2723381) still makes the promotional posts without any notice to users issues.

TheQuin, can you please enlighten us on what's going on with the service?


Update May 30, 2024, 07:45 AM (GMT):

• According to the last posts made in FreeBitco.in thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320959.29200), it seems that some users were able to withdraw their fund. As authorization emails are received with a big delay or not received, there is no way to make withdrawal for those who don't have 2FA enabled and want to withdraw their fund to an address which is not linked to their account.
• Freebitco's support is still irresponsive to users and they don't say anything about what's going on with the service.
• Hhampuz put the signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230893.msg64144764#msg64144764) on HOLD.

Update:
freebitco.in PR (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2723381) made an announcement regarding users issues.



Users still have problem with receiving authorization emails and there are still users that can't log in to their account due to getting "Incorrect login details" error.


Update (June 02, 2024):
I just requested a withdrawal. I got the authorization email in a few seconds and received the payment.
It seems that the email issue has been solved.


Update (June 03, 2024):
I reset my password, enabled 2FA and also changed my withdrawal address in my profile. I received the authorization emails and could do all of them successfully.
It seems that the service is working well now.


Update (June 19, 2024):
Freebitco.in introduced a new representative (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3638285) on forum.

Sounds like another Betnomi case based on how the support becomes silent about the issue despite he is occasionally online to check the ANN thread.

Creating an official statement or answering all the question via chat support is a must on this kind of business that is trust basis. I wonder how long they can still keep up the marketing while the problem becomes bigger the longer he is silent.

It’s almost a month since all this issue started that is still unanswered by theQuin

Thanks for the heads up. The situation related to Freebitco is indeed alarming now. FYI, Freebitco signature campaign was paused on the 22nd of March (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230893.msg63844254#msg63844254) for not getting funds from Freebitco team and the campaign manager wasn't getting any response as well. However, it was resumed after one week and still running without any problem. @Hhampuz, is the wallet getting topped up automatically each week? When did you last receive a response from TheQuin/Freebitcoin?

I can confirm that it is a valid claim. But it only says 'incorrect password' after the first 3 login attempts. It will ask you to  authorize the login request (https://talkimg.com/images/2024/05/28/LYPHc.jpeg) in the first 3 attempts. Then it will automatically reset your password on  the 4th attempt (https://talkimg.com/images/2024/05/28/LYmb2.jpeg), and you will get 'incorrect login details (https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/28/LYnLI.jpeg)' message from the next login attempt. It is all happening because the confirmation emails aren't coming from Freebitco.

TheQuin last post was related to the deposit issue of 'jper3009' (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5489484.0). He took a few months to solve the issue of that user. TheQuin has rarely replied to any inquiries here in the forum in the last few months. I doubt we will hear from him soon.

I've just tried to withdraw a small amount that I have there and I haven't got the email to confirm. Don't have 2FA enabled.

Is the identity of theQuin known? 

Tagging Hhampuz, since he is running the campaign he may be able to let their reps know about this thread.

No one know about him here on this forum.

Even I also support this but most chances he is having no contact with them with just topping wallet is enough for him to keep Signature Campaign active, hopefully he will give some update about this here on this thread.

Actually, it took from 6 to 7 months for that case to be solved... Since then, freebitco.in has been going downhill. I guess the perfect opportunity to cash out funds from the platform was exactly on the instant the high rollers had a malicious script injected on their accounts, and their funds hacked to unknown addresses. We can't put so much trust in a service which doesn't have active support, as it's a clear sign they completely neglect their userbase's demands.

It's sad to see a long lasting and reputable platform like that, which is part of our nostalgic memories ending like that.

Users have been trying to call the attention of freebitco.in's team for their users for so long without any success. For that reason, I really don't think it's going to happen this time. Maybe there is a tiny hope if the main users of this forum pressure them...

Bad signs all around. It's likely that staff has been unpaid or underpaid for months. Who knows for how long the 2fa infrastructure had remained unmaintained for there to be failures for a simple withdrawal request. Huge failure on the part of such a service.

For the owners to not care about such fundamental issues I guess that they made their money and don't care anymore. Probably this site had long ago fallen off popularity and wasn't generating the expected revenues. It could have had a graceful shutdown that was fair though, shame to see it going down like that.

I won't take long to red tagging wetsuit, TheQuin and the PR. There is no way this would happen on a decent site like Pokerstars where I play regularly.

A pity that a successful case of a business made from 0 in the forum and that will have made so much money in an honest way is neglected like this.

You obviously don't know that it was a two-man operation - that was even confirmed on the forum. Whatever is happening, it is obvious that things no longer work as before, and there are only two people who can answer all the questions. For some reason, they don't want to do that and let everything go as it should until it collapses or things start moving in a positive direction.

How did this end?
Did you manage to withdraw, given that you did not confirm via the link in the email whether the "funds" are still in your account?
I have some BTC sitting there, it's not a significant amount, but I will probably withdraw it (at least try) depending on how this discussion goes.

btw. Interesting, but I can't find any contact options on their site at all. There is a link to Bitcointalk, but not to their ANN or official representative.

Red flags were raised months ago for me, I asked Quinn what the contingency plan was should the only two site operators fall ill, die, or something along those lines. His response was incredibly arrogant, but the short of it was they have NO contingency plan (as has become very apparent).

I withdrew 90% of my funds at that point.

I'm waiting over 24 hours now to withdraw the last of my funds (which is still $x,xxx) but it is not looking good at all.

I am hoping they will eventually make good on users funds and that there is some personal issues their end, but there is a chance our funds are gone for good at this point. Feel sorry for anybody who has got a large amount in here.

 my account is secure with 2fa, and email of too, and an month ago i did charge out of some sats from my account, was ok, , but, some days ago, my mother ask me to withdraw part of your balance because she needs, and i did two withdraw on your account, one for out of the site, two parts of balance and one part, to new address on site, your account is secure too, with 2fa and no email or recovery phones..and email are secure too... are four days that i did it, and theses two withdraws are pending, im are thougth about account of my uncle, that are enable 2fa , with no email or phone recovery, and is good amount...if is a new scam happening, i will have problem with him, and i dont have money to pay.... ...
 i think that are 3 possiblethings that atre happening, one is>  the site was hacked and our money are security on yours could wallet, caiuse this, them are stopping withdraws... two> should admin have injuries and now iswaiting forrecuperation of your health, three>> them are scammed all of your users, and  goes out with all coins......,

 i hope that should be alternative one, and with the time, we will can take our money, because the site are working normally, less withdraws that are no working for awhile.. 


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=319540.msg64140377#msg64140377

Are there any signs that someone is working on this at all? I see that almost everyting in the website is automated. After the xml injection last month, are the payouts somewhat manual now? I have 2FA activated but two withdrawals (one slow, one instant) are pending for 3 days now.

1. That could've happened as many casinos seemed to have been hacked within the last 2 years, but why the radio silence then? Most would say: "the hot wallet has been hacked, but we have covered the user deposits out-of-pocket". Unless they don't have enough money that is.

2. There are apparently two of them on-site. The chances of both of them getting injured at the same time is slim. The chances of them getting arrested at the same time though... that is non-negligible. Why, I don't know.

3. It would be quite petty if they indeed scammed everyone while their site still earns a lot of profit for them, but like I said, maybe the reserves are gone?

I doubt very much they have purposely stolen user funds. These guys have been around since the days of bitcoin being $1000, they are most likely multi millionaires assuming they've not completely mis managed their holdings.

Most likely it is personal illness, death, arrest, or some other circumstances like that.

yes it could be his/their illness(es), death (lost key risk), arrest or...

or murder (lost key risk) who murder who?

or lethal accident? (lost key forever)

or simply a scam stealing their users fund

or some clients are so lucky (like win 100-200 or 1,000-2,000 BTC or more and withdrew all the BTC) and caused liquidity issue with freebitcoin?

at least, their users should have the closure... knowing what is going on?

if it's accident/illness, I hope that they are not in a serious condition and get well soon

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freebitcoin was run by 2 individuals as far as we know with the PR help from wetsuit's friend?

it's non-KYC online BTC-casino

some clients use it for laundering

most people just bet for fun... gain some sats thru the faucet

the freebitcoin was business-registered in Curaçao (obviously they were not born there and they don't live there)

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TheQuinn and wetsuit guys are 100% anonymous (except that we can trace them via their PR account?)

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can Bitcoin-forensic expert trace them in the case that they become a scammer?

BTC-forensic expert

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lots of people said "freebitco has been operating for a decade... for 10+ yrs"

that why many people started to bet or deposit-for-earn-4.08%interest with them

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in general, every bitcoiner/HODLer/BTCmaxi/everyone should have a plan for bitcoin inheritance because [the common COD-causes of death] of humans are the following

suicide
murder
illness
accident
or
vanish... become a missing person

what will happen to ur private keys

multi-sig wallets

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the private keys to the vault-fund of freebitco.in

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I have 0.1BTC in my account... my 2FA is not activated so I had to withdraw via the confirmation email

the email came in my inbox 50-hr LATE! the confirmation link in the email is valid for only 1 hr

so I still cannot withdraw my BTC

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their PR account should let us know what's going on... as soon as they can contact TheQuinn/wetsuit

As I did not receive the confirmation email, the funds went back to the site's account, but I have them blocked there, so I cannot withdraw them.

After all that has been said, in my opinion it is clear that there is high risk, and I even think that the official thread deserves a newbie warning flag, otherwise we are giving publicity from the forum, to a site that has blocked the funds, with a multitude of technical issues and complaints, and without support.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3306

Well, their business is quite profitable, right? If so, why did their management decide to play like this and act like they don't care about their reputation which they have gained in the last ten years? Freebitco.in is the first website of many of us who have tried their faucet for the first time and had a chance to have some bitcoin without buying it. They have been running their business for a long time now and have a good reputation. I see Hhampuz did not responded here yet. Probably he is trying to contact them before he come here to write anything. I hope he bring some good news. But honestly speaking, this does not look good.

I use 2FA, so I don't need an email confirmation, yet they are still not approving the payments. 30 hours passed.. I think they are intentionally creating the email issue. I have been waiting for 32 hours for my withdrawal request to be approved. They stole all of our money.  Even Dplay says that they have no connection with Freebitco.in.  :'(

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/29/LV4PH.jpeg

So, I've just received now the email for confirmation. I've confirmed and I get this.

More than 24 hours since I created this topic and nothing has changed. It's still impossible to make withdrawal from freebitco.in.
I am still receiving promotial emails from freebitco.in as before, but I don't receive authorization emails. Their twitter account is also active and they posted their last tweet around 2 hours ago, but they don't say anything about users issues.

There is definitely something extraordinary happening and it looks like it has been going on for a while. TheQuin is coming online but not saying a word.

The worst part is, even if the casino was fine or half fine, now the players are queuing to withdraw their funds, it will trigger a bank run and I somewhat think the owners won’t be paying anyone from their own pockets. It get that impression because neither or them are saying a damn word.

TheQuin, blink twice if there is a gun pointed at your head please.

AFAIK, and if I remember correctly, the same group also runs "real" online casinos such as ClubRiches. Not very long ago, a ClubRiches manager reached out to me - I have just contacted him to see if he can be of any help - that is in case I am not mistaken. ;)

Edit: Interestingly, I requested a withdrawal in the near past (2FA has always been enabled for me) and both were processed perfectly fine - very small amount though.

Feel like its time for someone whose been affected to open a flag on them. Just let us know when its been done and I'll suport it. Will probably red tag wetsuit and TheQuin as well.

timeline

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May22
the last successful 2FA-withdrawal I saw was on May22

May23
TheQuinn last active on this forum on May23
I guess he logged in to check out whats-going on...
it's like he's a pyromaniac looking at the fire he started

May24
Friday 9am I started to panic because I can't withdraw my BTC due to the delayed email issue

it doesn't seem to be illness or accident because if it were, one of them (TheQuinn/wetsuit) would be telling us right now what's going on

unless, BOTH of THEM were murdered last week?
happened to be in the same serious accident?

something bad happened to both of them? I don't think so

they decided to steal the users fund?

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I saw a death-threat post to kill TheQuinn/wetsuit on their official twitter... it was from a user from South America I guess

look at the last 3 post on their twitter account, you'll see his post

everyone doesn't take him seriously... but even if they are 100%anonymous... I'm certain it's easy to geographically locate TheQuinn/wetsuit or even the nominee 3741-9370 fake lucky winner

they left some clues over the past 11 yrs on this forum

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can anyone find the way to see if their BTC-fund has any movement over the weekend?

As you making a allegation about being directly affected by freebitco.in you should create a thread in Scam Accusations to explain the circumstances. As matters currently stand it seems by looking through this thread that there will be a strong consensus to support flags and negative tags, At the moment there is one thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5495097.0) in the scam accusations board about them but if problems are widespread there needs to be more threads.

Also, if I'm not mistaken they also run another casino dPlay, though, haven't tried neither of them. But I kinda doubt that's possible to run multiple casinos smoothly when there is just two people behind the curtains.

Maybe that's only way how to get reaction from them. If they don't react to all questions, maybe they will pay ettention to something what damages their reputation.
Don't want to judge them too wuickly, but it's obvious that something doesn't works as it used to be. Previously they were known for great communication, transparency and looked like example how casino should work.

I posted this in the other thread, but people should try getting in touch with Samuel Das, he is the CEO of fun token who are tied closely to freebitco.in. He might have some info:

https://x.com/FUNtoken_io/status/1691020105553977344

I am beginning to wonder that they had a hot wallet compromised. On their site, they say only 5% of funds are in the hot wallet, but I don't think this is true. It's possible they've been hit and lost a very large amount of user funds. If that is the case, they are going to be thinking long and hard about what to do next, because its quite possible they may only have a small percentage of user funds left, and are unable to honour all the withdrawals.

Whatever has happened it does not look good at all right now, instant or slow withdrawals aren't going through, irrespective of whether email confirmation is required, or 2fa is used. Something is seriously fucked, because for the most part this system would have been automated. I get the impression they have STOPPED all withdrawals because of some serious issue, and the most logical explanation is stolen funds.

You are right about Dplay.
Dplay and Club Riches both are owned by them and according to the post made by TheQuin around two years ago, wetsuit may be involved in more businesses too.



Edit:
Here is another post which confirms Dplay is also owned by them

I had some FUN, up to 2500 left on Freebitco.in to get my daily bonuses. I tried to withdraw my FUN tokens right now and I didn't receive a withdrawal confirmation email. I confirm from my side that there is something wrong with Freebitco.

The same here but I tested it today and now FUN withdrawal doesn't work, can't talk about BTC.

Dplay looks professional, they even have online chat support but strangely none of them are represented on Bitcointalk, they don't even have ANN thread here as far as I know. Btw it's also very strange that Freebitco doesn't respond but their signature campaign still continues.

They never advertise about Dplay here on this forum with also never have anything related to this site is understandable, but we have interesting thing few weeks back we have Freebitco signature campaign on hold and then paused, but suddenly we have @TheQuin who released the funds and signature campaign started again with he also gives few updates and solved few issues which was creating problems but now again as we need him he is not responding here with last appearance on 23rd May which is clearly showing he knows all things about this but not responding which is wired and creating mess-up about this site.

The people who might know them, upper management of FUNToken. I sent them a message, will post if I get any answers.

David Dobrovitsky / CEO since 28 Feb 2024: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ilya-dobrovitsky/
Andrew Haigh / CTO: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewhaigh/
Carol Chow / Head of Operations: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carol-chow-595878/
Sabine Roiss / Head of Business Development: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sabine-roiss-b4b670107/

Manager Hhampuz has just put the signature campaign on hold:

Introducing fun token was probably one of the worst moves they ever did. The other was shutting down freedogecoin. They said they did it because they didn’t have time to manage two casinos but they do manage dplay. (And there was one more I guess) fun token is crap and its tx fees are high so I doubt many people invested in it. It also has zero usecase outside freebitco.in. Those 2 were the major business mistakes.

That is all he can do actually. A couple of members including myself mentioned Hhampuz in this thread, but he did not responded and as I said in my previous post, probably he is trying to get an answer from freebitco.in the team. We cannot really expect more than this from him. Thanks for quoting him here.

It is strange why they are silent about this issue and not saying a word like, guys please be patient, we will fix it or something like that. This kind of behavior is smelling scammy. We don't want to see a reputed company become a scam again!

So this is kind of interesting. Some self-appointed representative of FUNToken is distancing themselves from freebitco.in

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/05/30/LL1fg.png

Meanwhile...

https://coingape.com/freebitco-in-takes-charge-of-fun-token-expansion-through-majority-acquisition/

Also kind of interesting is this:

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/05/30/LL47z.png

Maybe they were indeed hacked back then and the hacker planted some kind of backdoor in their server.

FUNToken down almost 3% today.

Also, I red tagged the 3 freebitco.in reps. They have a yellow flag active on their main thread.

i think no, i was saw on account of my mother again and again, and pending withdraw take  4 or five days, and now, i was see again, the transaction is went back to my balance, and i did the same thing that i did, same address, one to out and other amount to the new address on your account, and i see that, on the first time that i did the withdraw, was no showing the in time countdown left for send, and now, are three hours to let and go, i wait by now withdraw work, and is end of the nigthmare for all of us, and my account had no more than 100k sats, and for awhile, i dont need, and i will let on site, and if withdraw work, the account of my uncle had an good amount... and he dont need know about this, but the response is mine, and im are thinking in charge out half amount of, and sell to usdt on exchange, and lock for year interest, on polo
( https://cutt.ly/Sign_up_on_Poloniex_to_unlock_a_Mystery_Box_worth_up_to_10000_USDT_and_earn_a_10percent_fee_rebate (https://cutt.ly/Sign_up_on_Poloniex_to_unlock_a_Mystery_Box_worth_up_to_10000_USDT_and_earn_a_10percent_fee_rebate) ) is 10%...,


, no i dont think that is the end of this good site to teach some friends that dont understand of how btc work, and i will try teach people for use btc using this site how like before...
 freebtc is big to fall ... but FUN token are falling since beggining and my uncle buyed 100000 fun on launch on fbtc site, he lose 90% of your btc spended... maybe up more year, someones ten years fun back for your initially price on fbtc site.. i will back later for advice that transactions  goes...

good times for all, and i will back soon with proof of withdraw, so long.

https://i.ibb.co/84ZZC0R/image.png

https://i.ibb.co/pnrQMQW/image.png

I can also confirm that my pending transactions, one slow and one instant requested a few days ago, gone through today around 4 hours ago. I have 2FA enabled.
However we still need some explanation about what happened and surely better communucation with people.

According to the last posts made in FreeBitco.in thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320959.29200), it seems that some users were able to withdraw their fund. As authorization emails are received with a big delay or not received, there is no way to make withdrawal for those who don't have 2FA enabled and want to withdraw their fund to an address which is not linked to their account.

Maybe people are getting paid only when some other person makes a deposit? Till then the withdrawal requests are queued because their wallet is empty? (That also would mean the casino died already) Just making a wild guess. Whatever the problem is, they should come over and make a statement immediately. It is damn sad to see a 10+ years old casino going down like that. This casino made history and made lots of people super rich. I’ve also watched the youtube video that explained what’s going on and I saw how people used bots to abuse this website. They are dealing with these scammers every day.

Today, after receiving a payment from fbc, I checked the transactions and noticed that the wallet from which it came had a balance of 9 BTC. It turns out they still have the funds to pay or someone replenished this wallet

4ffa50ddbec54aa0291dc95a820d9b540fc365c2f683e5d39926958c820ffe2d

I tried to make a withdrawal, but so far it is unsuccessful - because the confirmation e-mail did not arrive, and before that I had problems with the amount I tried to withdraw - it simply does not allow me to withdraw the max amount (minus fee). I hope that everything ends well in the end, because it would really be a shame if the owner does not come out of all this with clean hands after so many years.

I barely read anything about freebitco these past few years, so I might be wrong, but if a past scam accusation case about FUNToken may be used as our reference, the shared responsibility, jurisdiction, and other things involved between both sites are indeed limited to shared ownership [perhaps, from the article you provided, in form of majority token ownership].

Other than that, they are separate entities in sense of staff and responsibility. This was confirmed by TheQuin in the past, long before situation with freebitco escalated,



So, though I find it a bit ironic since the situation is now turned, where the statement above was TheQuin separating freebitco from the burden of responsibility from a situation with FunToken, and now it's the complete flipped situation, I am leaning to believe that the telegram post above holds its weight.

yesterday, i don't know why, i checked the the freebitcoin thread after years and i saw all this (i was still using the site daily).

i made a withdraw, it arrived after 10 hours. it wasn't the whole balance, half is still in the site because after being in the crypto world for years you start seeing a pattern so i didn't withdraw everything.

so... it was half the balance (just a few k in $), instant withdraw, the withdraw was made only using 2fa so no emails involved, i used another wallet and not the one linked in the site, and the wallet address i used was a native segwit address (bc1)

Hello, I made my withdrawal 2 days ago and finally I've recieved it. Here is the hash of the transaction: c0f89a351f1bd759bfd6d70e8592d858548f042127d403a1339702d6cb62bcbb

I STILL CANNOT WITHDRAW MY FUND via email confirmation!

I didn't have 2FA activated at the first place, I didn't set up the default "received BTC address" either so my withdrawal is dependent on the 1-hr-valid confirmation EMAIL

and the confirmation email is delayed!!! 48-72 HRS delay

if you want to activate the 2FA, you still need to click the confirmation-link in the email

so the non-2FA WITHDRAWAL IS NOT WORKING now

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the problem now is the DELAYED EMAIL confirmation in withdrawal/2FA-activation/change BTC address/change password

Obviously, there is already a lot of pressure on freebitco, I will be quite disappointed if one of the oldest Bitcoin services fails to handle this situation.

I also requested a withdrawal. My account has activated 2FA and has a profile address set.
It seems that in this case a confirmation email is not required and the transaction should be processed without it.
This is the message.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/05/30/Lc8hJ.png

Of course, even though I chose the instant withdrawal option, where everything should be processed in ~15 min, nothing has happened yet.
however, it seems that I have to wait for manual withdrawal approval, which can take up to 24 hours. OK waiting.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/05/30/LceZg.png

Finally, we have an update from 'freebitco.in PR' who is known as bot in the forum :)

This Freebitco.in PR finally reacts after receiving negative trust. But still he didn’t tackle about the security issue raised by different user about withdrawal to different address.

This negative feedback should be remained temporarily until all the issue was resolved. It’s surprising that thequin is still not making an statement despite that their PR is already aware on the situation.

Excellent news. Long-overdue on hiring more people though ;D

Probably he's the one who working to solve the mail backlog issue?

Honestly I don't believe if they will turn become scam, they've built their reputation for 11 years and very known as the oldest faucet that still exist till now, although faucet is no longer popular nowadays, but they're still making a good amount of money from the partnership and ads.

I have been waiting for the payment to be approved for 3 days. How is it that all payments are sent? Please send my MONEY! still waiting for manually review for 3 DAYS!

All of you who are still having trouble with withdrawals just try the instant one without changing the address. I've done that and I've been able to withdraw.

I'm open to withdraw my support to the flag and change the feedback but I have to see that everything is fine for a while.

the transaxtion is not done and the coins is back again...

the problem with the withdrawal of my and other users’ funds to the changed addresses of hackers has not yet been resolved.
I made a video confirming it. at the end of the video you can see how the address changed to the address of the hackers

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rsu1hq8tgj810e2p8bqj7/video_20240505_093225_edit.mp4?rlkey=me946bfe2utlhz2vtc3yqjgg7&st=ywer9mzb&dl=0

Did you get the same message as examplens (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498013.msg64146317#msg64146317)?

In the past, even when everything was working fine, some withdrawals required to be processed manually and it didn't matter whether they were instant or slow.
My guess is that your withdrawal has been flagged by their system to be checked manaully and they haven't checked your withdrawal yet. If everything was working well, your withdrawal would take up to 24 hours to manually processed.

Please update us on the status of your withdrawal if anything changed.


Were you required to confirm your withdrawal via email? If that's the case, there are many other people having the same issue as you.

The unlock day for my locked coins has arrived, and I am receiving emails about it. However, when I log into my freebitco.in account, it appears that the coins have not been credited to my account. Additionally, my withdrawal request has still not been approved. In 12 hours, I will be entering the 4th day.

  how i said here before, the account is security with 2fa enabled on fbtc account and on email linked with both without phone recovery, and no emails needed to confirm, i will do withdraw again, for awhile, an print about coins back to balance again..., but, isee some diferent, the new address generate was received 0.02.... and i sent only 0.01... for this internal address, and 0.0212... for external address,.(*seemsly maybe they dont have funds to do this, but i think no, is did an issue could are happening, or not)  now, i will generate new address to receive on fbtc account and send to new one external address, that need 0.0212...   and i will post here>>>  

https://i.ibb.co/3CbZvTv/image.png

https://i.ibb.co/dMXgq2s/image.png

, i did withdraw again, with new addresses, and are 4 hours  countdown to next payout>>>  lets see if work>>   

https://i.ibb.co/HNYZSJG/Image.png

Things escalated quickly after red trust was given and trust flag was raised. Good to see that issues is getting resolved. And I hope that promises about improving support won't be just words, but it will turn into actions.
It would be nice to get few words from TheQuin or wetsuit, but maybe they think that statement from PR account will be enough.

Until I wrote this post - the two accounts mentioned above were still not active. @wetsuit has been inactive for a long time - even before this concern or issue started [Last Active: November 26, 2023, 02:52:26 AM], while @TheQuin [Last Active: May 23, 2024, 02:23:11 AM].

@TheQuin is the most likely user or representative to step in here and provide clarification on what's going on - but it doesn't seem like there's much need for that as long as all the issues are resolved.

Update: The payment I have been waiting for 3 days was made an hour ago, for everyone's information.

Even few members are having positive input after this thread but still few things needs to be fixed like why suddenly we are having @TheQuin out of the support because 6 years back @wetsuit posted about him as he will check all things related to site and take care of forum as well but in last six months he is not giving anything with problems are increased, and many issues are having not settled which bring down this site's reputation down.
Maybe someone still having all check from their site, but now they are having enough money to have no interest, or we are having change of management but no update mean things are going not as these were going few years back which needs to be updated soon.

You're a lucky guy obviously. Congrats bro. But your payment was an "instant" or a "slow" withdrawal precisely? And its amount was above 1mbtc or it was less than that? Because I've made a request of a slow withdrawal of several mbtcs at least 4days ago IIRC and it's still pending unfortunately. I have the 2FA enabled so it's not a matter of email confirmation missing for me, but maybe they don't process the withdrawal requests on a first asked, first served basis.

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__For A moment id tought that the admin of this thread deleted this, but no, here it are., ..

    - im back again, speaking about withdraw whithout email confirmation and 2fa enabled was gone correctly, .

_here are  the proof:

https://i.ibb.co/jgtvfFT/Image.png
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https://i.ibb.co/4N9ZQdd/Image.png

, i still not verify the final receiver, but, i think is ok too, after i will see.

, now i ask, when the this problem went solve you will delete this thread
or will let for documentation about, and futures updates? @hosseinimr93

 _Thanks for create this thread to clarify this big issue about withdrawals and no answers
 that was cause of panic and lost of reputation,


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 if it was true about scam,  i thought over btc price... if this will should have  relavance on price... only think over...

I think he is waiting for everything to be clarified before he actually speaks up about it but this was wrong because as it seems before everything was left in the dark and he didn't take us well because when all these reports came earlier no body believed such users at first until there were constant flooded reports and this was not about monetary reasons but simply because Freebitco has si much gained trust here.

Let's see what he had to say about this when everything comes back to normal and better

A little off topic, but if the BTC price keeps going up then they will eventually have to shut the faucet down. But with the way things have been breaking on the platform I wouldn't be surprised if they just shut the whole site down.

No, this thread will be still available even if all issues are resolved.

It may worth mentioning that threads can be deleted only by moderators and I can't delete this thread, even if I want to.


I don't think freebitco.in is that big so that it can affect the bitcoin price.

Yeah, this is the most interesting part, we don’t whether this PR is still in regular communication with thequin and wetsuit because he keeps ignoring all the concerns for almost a month of continuous posting of announcement on that specific thread.

If his recent announcement is a general statement of freebitco.in then why does the 2 important account still doesn’t step in while this PR account is just merely an account for posting news that typically doesn’t interact with user. I’m confused whether this PR guy is still connected with the core member or he is just doing his part of the job due to the contract while the core member doesn’t in contact with him.

The reward on the faucet can always be adjusted to the BTC price - even if that means it will be less than 1 satoshi per claim. Given that it is not a direct payment, but that the minimum threshold is currently 30 000 satoshis, in theory the reward can be less than 1 satoshi. The price of BTC should be much higher than it is now in order to make it no longer profitable to pay even 0.1 satoshi per claim.

Let me do an update here. Less than 24 hours have passed since I requested the withdrawal. I hereby confirm that I have successfully withdrawn from the freebitco.in site, coins have been in my wallet since a few hours ago.
It's not a large amount, under $100, but if manual approval of the transaction is required, it seems that someone is still actively behind.

Use Bonuses, if the BTC price is higher the RP's price for bonuses: 100%, 500% and 1000% is smaller and your RP amount you receive every free roll is the same. Then you can afford these bonuses faster than now.

Thanks for the update @examplens. It confirms that FreebitcoinPR is guy responsible for the approval of withdrawal since everything went fixed after he was notified about the issue in the form negative feedback on his trust page.

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Still the same old problem didn’t resolved or answered on the recent update about the security issue being experienced by some users which is the main reason why the doubt to their reputation started to arise.

TheQuin is still dodgy until so it better to withdraw all the balance in there and wait for the official response. Their lack of communication is already long overdue.

Not everything has been fixed. Only those users that had 2FA enabled or withdrew their fund to their profile address were successful.

You can't withdraw your fund, if you don't have 2FA enabled and you want to withdraw your fund to an address which is not in your profile.
You can't withdraw your fund, if you don't have 2FA enabled and you are not already logged in to your account.
You can't withdraw your fund, if you get "Incorrect login details" error and you need to reset your password.

I agree with you, while it's possible to reward users with any amount of coins, even with the lowest one, the low number isn't attractive. I think their best bet to keep the faucet and business running, will be to add altcoins, for example BNB, SOL, XRP, LTC and etc. They had freedoge.co.in years ago but for some reason they closed it and kept freebitco.in
Btw Freebitco.in also owns Dplay and ClubRiches. Dplay looks very professional and I think if they ever decide to close the faucet, they'll build a new big casino or support Dplay via 301 redirect.

I don't understand what's wrong with him, he doesn't even visit this forum regularly. Thank god their PR team responded to us.

Guys, did anyone withdraw a FUN token? Did you receive an email? The withdrawal fee is 1911 FUN now, it's ridiculous.

HI!, only an new update about the withdraw, today, my mother receive  an email from freebitco telling that the  withdraw was cancelled because the address was invalid, ... once 7days after trying some times... hshshrrshrhs.... maybe them didn t had problems with charge outs, only emails delays, that i think is happening  up to now.

 i ever disclosure freebitco on some groups on facebook, that  theQuin dont like...i had no more than 129 refers, and no more than five are actives some times, that i earn from them no more than 1k sat month,  very rarely, appear one that bet formuch, this, your last  active, i think was more than one year..., i guess that now
is ok to keep disclosure them..., sure, i feel about theses that hadding your account hacked... this  still it are clear...i dont know about  scrpts was true or not, i think that i need wait this clarify, to me back spread yours link  again, i use freebitco since 2016...

I wonder what happened to TheQuin, and why he is no longer active on the forum?  As far as I recall, he was always available and quite quick to deal with customer queries. If TheQuin did quit for some reason, they should definitely hire a new representative.

This is a new update related to my withdrawal from freebitco.in. 20 hours after the Bitcoins were deposited in my wallet, I received a confirmation email indicating that the transaction was processed. This looks like a problem with email delays, whatever the cause.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/06/01/LbKxG.png

I've tried several times to make a withdrawal, but those of us who don't have 2FA can obviously just wait for someone to fix what is causing the confirmation emails to not arrive at all - while at the same time the promotional emails are coming up to several times a day. However this ends (even positively), I think this is the beginning of the end, because the way things have been happening for months has already destroyed their reputation to a large extent.

Too many members still are facing problems like these with good thing happening many are now able to have their funds like I was not able to login for many days, but now I have access to my account but as mentioned withdrawal process is not working due to 2FA issue hopefully we will have this fixed as soon as possible with special thanks to @hosseinimr93 just because of him and this thread now we are having special intention from the Freebitco team which is now giving some service to users which were having serious problems due to their funds were stuck here and nothing positive were happening.

That's sad, I mean if your email works on one way and it doesn't work the other way, wouldn't it be really weird. I feel bad that this might be the conclusion for Freebitcoin, I mean they've been a staple casino here and they've helped so many people with their signature campaign but this will end them, I guess this is what happens when you mess up really bad in your end. Hopefully the issue would still be resolved though, the people that are being inconvenienced by this issue needs to have theirs resolved, hopefully we would see the process and resolving for this expedited.

I think that they could have an email problem and that's why some emails had delivery issues. Usually, companies use email hostings that have whitelisted IPs to get promotional emails delivered to client's inboxes instead of spam folder (or even undelivered) and I think they were using different SMTP provider (or maybe their own SMTP) for account-related emails. I hope that this is nowhere near the beginning of the end, I love Freebitco, it's the first website that introduced me to Bitcoin and I hope they'll have a success without an end. They also have other casinos, Dplay and ClubRiches. It means that they are expanding, not ending.

Btw I requested a FUN token withdrawal and I can confirm that this time, I received a confirmation email without a problem and soon after that, I received my FUN token in my wallet (I don't use 2FA).

I just requested a withdrawal. I received the authorization email in a few seconds and I could confirm the withdrawal.
It seems that the email issue has been solved.

I selected slow option. I will update this post with the status of my withdrawal.


Edit: I received the payment.

User ID 5119790

"Instant" withdrawal pending over 48 hours.

Support form submissions not answered.

Freebitco.in does not pay out even small amounts. They didn't pay me $5 for my post here about winning $20 (link to it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855.msg64064137#msg64064137).
All conditions were fulfilled by me back on May 11 - within 48 hours Freebitco.in was obliged to pay me $5 (~8300 satoshi at that time). You can compare my balance as of May 11 and the current balance (link to screenshot: https://imgur.com/ph0WyZa) - the payment has not been made. I wrote them a letter on their website, but never received a response.
My user id is 9652968.

Did they recently change ownership or something?

This is not my largest withdrawal, had some over 5K in the past, all without issues.

It's very disappointing to not get the money on time.

Received.

I received my withdraw today too

I'm waiting for my next payments today.

As I said in my previous post, I was able to withdraw my fund yesterday.

Today, I reset my password, enabled 2FA and also changed my withdrawal address in my profile. I received the authorization emails and could do all of them successfully.
It seems that the service is working well now.

I can confirm that I managed to make a withdrawal - it seems that the problem with the confirmation e-mail is solved (at least for now). However, considering everything that has been happening in the past months with lost deposits, problems with e-mail confirmations and support that practically does not exist, I would advise caution to anyone who does anything other than regular faucets claims there.

Seeing that little by little the problem is being solved, the only thing I find missing to change my feedback, if things continue to improve, is an official statement from TheQuin or wetsuit explaining what has happened and what they plan to do to prevent it from happening again. I don't know if those of you who have supported the flag and those of you who have left negative feedback agree with me.

Why wetsuit and not TheQuin or both of them?
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Because wetsuit is the original poster of Freebitco.in announcement thread, flagging wetsuit is better than flagging TheQuin because the yellow/red banner only show on the original poster, but you can do both if you want.

It seems Poker Player isn't the victim, if not a victim want to flag a scammer, he should create flag type 1 which he did correctly.

Are you one of the victim and you still not able to withdraw your money? then you can create flag type 2 or 3 if you want.

I think the issues have been solved. The website is working well now. Authorization emails are sent without any delay and withdrawals are processed.

I agree with you on the point that they should make an official announcement regarding what happened. I think freebitco.in PR's post  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320959.msg64146490#msg64146490) wasn't enough and more explanation is required. Freebitco.in has been around for more than 10 years, it has been a popular service and they should have a better communication with their users. Their twitter account is also active and they can post a tweet about the recent issues there.

TheQuin was very active before and was always responsive. He became much less active after October, 2023 and has been offline since May 23.
Maybe, TheQuin stopped working with freebitco.in and all the issues arose after that. This is just a guess and whatever happened, users need an explanation.


I am not sure whether I should remove the negative feedback and I also want to know others opinions.
Maybe, we can consider changing the feedback type to neutral for now? or remove it? I am not sure.

It was obviously a technical problem and not an intention to deceive users. The flag and negative tags that were left and based on this reference are obviously no longer appropriate. I don't know if there are any other active scam accusations, but I would consider this as solved.
Looking at everything that happened here, I personally did not get the impression that there were any scam intentions.

What about the users that had their BTC sent to an address that wasn't theirs?

FreeBitco.in Appears Hacked - Monthly Prize Money Stolen From Multiple Users (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5495097.0)

I'd like to know more about what happened here before withdrawing support for the flag.

Quite another case.

The currently active flag (which I just oposed) refers to this thread and the problem with withdrawal. We cannot reward the user with a flag when he obviously tried his best and managed to solve the problem.
The flag related to this thread is not appropriate. It can be quite confusing for someone who is not familiar with the whole thing.

Later, I will go through this thread that you linked to familiarize myself with the whole thing. Of course, if there are elements of risk in that case, a new flag should be created that will refer to that case, or if there are several cases, they should all be combined into one thread.

1. As I wrote above, Freebitco.in still has not credited me (since May 11) $5 for a post about winnings. This problem has not been solved, although I have written about it several times, including about who uses the Freebitco.in PR-account here.

2. Today, about two hours ago, I requested the withdrawal of all funds on my balance (~0.00380000 BTC) in the “Slow” mode.
First, a notification was displayed about the satoshi being credited within 6 hours. However, after some time, the notification “Your payout requests are waiting to be manually reviewed. This process might take up to 24 hours” appeared. Immediately after this, Freebitco.in began to block my IP address (now I can’t collect satoshi), although there were no such problems before! I don't think this is a coincidence.
I have always had one account, I have been using 2FA identification for a long time and have never used scripts, programs, etc. I feel that Freebitco.in, under a far-fetched pretext, will delay payments or will not make payments at all. I'll let you know how the situation turns out.

Unfortunately, at the moment I have little understanding of how this forum works. I don't know how I can get my funds. If anyone can help me, I will be very grateful.

Let everyone decide what to do with their flag support or feedback - but it's not just e-mails that didn't arrive, but as @nutildah says there are many more red flags that still remain unexplained. People who waited for months for their deposit to be credited (some are still waiting), and those who claim that their accounts were blocked for no reason, would certainly not agree that everything is back to normal.

Something is rotten in freebitco and until one of the official representatives comes forward and tries to give some explanation, my opinion is that the warning should remain. Considering the successful withdraw, I can only change my feedback, but it will still remain negative.

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When you mention it, it was strange to me that immediately after a successful withdrawal they reduced my basic reward on the faucet, and now I have to solve the captcha, which was not the case before. Fortunately, my IP is not blocked, although today I could not log in without confirmation via e-mail.

First I've heard of IP blocking other than for multi-accounting and botting abuse.

This sounds more and more to me like new management, no support in place yet, and maybe starting to enforce T&Cs

TheQuin maybe looks in occasionally to see how things are developing but is in no position to post any responses.

Hope I'm wrong on all counts.

Agree with your thoughts. Yeah, part of issues got resolved, things looks better than it was few days ago. But still, there is still issues remaining and like said, starting to block users for no reasons doesn't looks good.
I doubt that they want to scam their users or something similar, but it's just obvious that things doesn't wotlrks as it used to be. And we can only speculate what is reason behind this.

As many are mentioning things are coming back on normal but still we need some updates and reviews about few things which are having trouble and many users those fail to received their prizes belong to them @nutildah pointed out about few things with most wired thing is happening now after 23rd May we are having no @TheQuin on this forum even he was regularly coming and checking few things with no giving any updates.

Hopefully we will have more things to be settled in next few days, and they will also bring some communication with members which will increase their reputation which is hurt in last few days.

If you are going to oppose a flag, the least you can do is to read the OP of the thread it links to as it doesn't just talk about the withdrawal problem and "the problem of withdrawal" doesn't appear anywhere in the flag.

I've supported the flag not only because of the aforementioned problems but also due to the fact that there is no talk about any of these events from the upper management of Freebitcoin. There was literally only the PR account making a statement about email backlogs and that's it. None of the other problems were acknowledged. No other announcement on other social media, nothing.

I received my ~380000 satoshi, but ~8300 satoshi for my post about winning Fribitco.in have still not been credited to me.

Read the entire first post again, there were several updates, maybe you missed something.

The flag is based on this:

In the meantime, many users have confirmed that they have successfully verified the withdrawal request via confirmation email, as well as that they have successfully received withdrawal funds. As the OP confirmed adding an update

It could be concluded that the initial problem (technical problem with email authorization reflected on the withdrawal process) when opening this discussion has been solved.
A flag that has a "solved" mark in reference, cannot be suitable.


This flag is not directly related to their poor communication and support. I guess they should have informed us about everything, which part of the code caused the problem or which line in the firewall stopped processing the email.
I agree that they have poor support, in fact, it's better to say that they don't have it. But this problem has existed with them for years.


What message are we sending to all other services if we don't want to acknowledge someone's effort to fix the issue? There are many services that I don't like, but my personal views are not enough to label someone negatively if there are no real elements for it.
To be clear, I'm not here defending Freebitco, I just think that the wrong flag diminishes the value of the trust system on this forum.

^ @examplens is right about the reference of the flag since this thread only mention about the pending withdrawal issue.

But the real problem that is not addressed yet aside from this pending withdrawal is the security due to changing of withdrawal address during the withdraw process. Many whale user experience this including high rank member here. You can read this thread as reference https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5495097.msg64024210#msg64024210



This post above is from one of the user that experienced this same security issue which is never addressed by the PR on his recent announcement. This issue started all the doubt about freebitco.in before this delay withdrawal problem.

People are free to speculate as they wish.

Is it possible TheQuin stole our wagering contest prizes?

TheQuin hasn't responded to any of us. Our private messages ignored by him.

Maybe that's why they are looking for new staff?

This was a targeted attack on the high-rollers and wagering contest winners.

Why were only the wagering contest winners targeted?

And perhaps the email backlog was caused by an SMTP DDoS attack by a disgruntled victim or staff

How can the PR account acknowledge the email issue yet ignore the stolen funds. Why be silent on this

I have no options. No response from support. TheQuin ignores us.

I am left with nothing other than to post a scam accusation.

I will delay this only another week or two.

I'm all out of options.

I've been using fbtc for over six years. Never had a problem until my funds were stolen.

I doubt very much this a scam, they are just disorganized and basically just an amateur operation. Let's hope they hire a decent support team and actually explain what went wrong.

This their original account or might be connected to the team in some way Name free-bit.co.in Registered June 08, 2014
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=341170

Maybe TheQuin left his position and they are having a hard time to find somebody as dedicated as him. When theQuin was active, he was quick to respond to every accusation. Most of the time the accusers were cheaters and he was posting proof to show everyone the scammers’ real intentions. Maybe he had enough money and decided that it is not worth to deal with the scammers for the rest of his life. I can’t blame him. What good is it to have lots of money but you don’t have time to enjoy it? Wetsuit has been probably doing the same thing for the last 7-8 years. Now they need to find somebody else who will carry the burden.

freebitco.in if you are not responsible for our lost funds then say it.

Don't be silent. Say something. Anything.

We need truth and certainty.

I am a premium member in game ( buy FUN) and i must receive free roll every day, but 3-4 days i do not see me 4 free roll (((

The bad signs were there for years, but massively ignored. Read Freebitco.in provably cheating (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5045277.0):

To me, it always seemed like he just wanted to silence the accusations, and that worked quite well.

Except for the case in which he knew he couldn't bully me, so he didn't respond at all:

Tbh I don’t give a rat’s ass if they have been cheating the free rolls because the players also do cheat. Some people even use bots which act like a real player because you can program a bot with random behavior. No business can survive against thousands of scammers that look for any potential crack to be abused.

They have been paying 4% annual interest like a clockwork, I have never experienced any problems withdrawals and many people also haven’t for years and their sports betting uses parimutuel betting which doesn’t exist on any other crypto casino as far as I am aware.

When I add up everything together, I can easily say freebitco.in is a net positive, by a yuge margin.

It still does not excuse the fact that he's literally still browsing the forum so has to make at least one post explaining what is going on with all this stuff. Then he can bow out if he wants.

(No, I am not affected by the freebitcoin shenanigans)

Few times I already send messages to @TheQuin, but I never have any reply just because of this now I am also having feeling he is not part of this team and already part away with now after 23rd May he is no coming online because this he was checking things even not giving any reply or update, but he was 2 or 3 times in weeks coming online.

Admin of the site is also having never visit but hopefully now we will have some updates as they are working on few PRO which will give updates and also give replies to users about their concerns because now this is huge business, and they need to care about this.

Really? One can tell you have no idea about gambling. Tell the same to the Euromillions lottery to see if they pay attention to you. Anyone who knows a little about gambling knows that Euromillions collects so much precisely because it does the opposite of what you suggest.


You know that such a small sample doesn't prove anything, don't you? Every day I see plays that have a 5% or less chance of happening.

Not all players cheat. Casinos are supposed to be fair.

Nobody in their right mind would gamble at a casino with 5% house edge, when competitors offer a 1% house edge. This is a faucet, and people spent years clicking them.
By using this "random" number, they can easily manipulate it. All they have to do is reset the server seed once in a while. It's quite obvious they did it for the $200-winners, but unclear if they also did it for the $20 winners. Just a few resets every 10,000 rolls would be enough to reduce the total cost of their faucet (which is after all meant to get people hooked to gambling) by up to 90%. They couldn't do that with a fixed faucet amount.

I manually counted 10 pages. If you think my sample size is too small, feel free to count all 152 pages (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855.0) for a much larger sample size.

Math time!
118 rolls (and correcting my mistake from 2018):
1 number pays $200 for every 4 numbers that pay $20 (I'm ignoring all rolls other than the 2 highest winners).
Expected outcome: around 23.6 times $200, and 94.4 times $20.
Reality: 2 times $200, and 116 times $20.
What are the odds of this happening?
My statistical math is rusty so I'm taking shortcuts: let's say it took 59 rolls to hit $200.
Odds of hitting $20 at the first roll: 0.8
Odds of hitting $20 in the first 2 rolls: 0.8²=0.64
....
Odds of hitting $20 in the first 58 rolls: 0.8⁵⁸=0.00000239452. That's 0.000239% chance. Note that I ignored the other half of the counted rolls.
So, and correct me if my math is wrong: this doesn't have a 5% chance of happening, it's 20,000 times less! And this is exactly what I meant when I said the bad signs were there, but were massively ignored. The odds of this happening twice in a row are several orders of magnitude lower. Count the rest of the topic, and you'll see this pattern continues.

The difference is due to the way that FBC rounds the number. I believe it was TheQuin who actually explained how it works once, but basically he said the chance of spinning a 10000 is only half of how it appears... I can't find the exact post that explains it but this is why the $200 win happens disproportionately less often than the $20 win.

Regardless, it seems to me the prudent thing to do is to continue supporting the flag on wetsuit until management explains what happened with user funds in these incidents (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5495097.0).

That means anything under 9999.5 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5045277.msg48558394#msg48558394) is rounded down. I accounted for that in my post above. There's still a factor 12.5 unaccounted for.

Is it possible that not all winners came to the Bitcointalk forum and reported their winnings? 5 or 10 big wins in this statistic can significantly change the final assessment, and that is quite a possible scenario.

See, that's why I'm telling you that you have no idea how gambling works. And, on the contrary, wetsuit did. The business casinos don't do with people who think about the House Edge, because gambling already doesn't make much sense to begin with when there is a House Edge. You are inevitably going to lose money in the long run. The difference between 1 and 3 or 5% to those players who are profitable for the casino does not matter, many of them do not even know what it is, and many others have some idea but do not care, they prefer to play on a site with 5% than in another 1% if certain things they like more of the site.

You probably understand House Edge and mathematics better than 99% of those who write in the gambling section, that's why you don't bet, but what you don't understand is how the business works. The audience that wetsuit and other casino owners are looking for is not you or me.



There's no way I'm going to waste my time. You know that sample size doesn't prove anything, because if it did, no matter how conservative you are with your feedbacks you would have red tagged them long ago. Not even counting everyone in that thread one by one would do it. I'm used to in poker that to get an idea the minimum sample size is 50K hands. And as brutal as variance can be, to prove things, better half a million hands.


In any case, with such a small sample, it seems quite a high deviation from what the mean should be, I agree.


That is another point. It is a sample of those who reported the winnings. Not a record of casino rolls.

TheQuin's silence is nothing short of incriminating.

We are not talking about the casino function though. Nobody has a complaint about their casinos fairness as far as I am aware.

We are talking about its faucet. Something they give away for clicking a button, for free practically.

When hundreds of players cheat with the faucet clicks, the casino has to protect itself. In the end the fair clickers will pay for the damages the cheaters caused and receive less awards.

That’s of course, if freebitco.in is doing what you are claiming they are doing which I haven’t made my mind on yet

But that's the thing. Even if we had an exact record of all casino rolls, statistical improbabilities are still possible.  Randomness is a key part of gambling, after all.

The point examplens raises about unreported wins is very valid.  A small sample size, especially with missing data, can definitely skew the overall picture.  But, while a complete record of every roll would be fantastic for analysis, it wouldn't eliminate the possibility of outliers entirely. Actually, that's why martingales and similar strategies don't work well in gambling. Even with a perfect 50/50 chance, there's still a very real possibility of hitting a losing streak of twenty, or even more, rolls.

That possibility was brought up before (probably back in 2018). But I don't think that's likely: they get paid $5 to post on Bitcointalk, and we're talking about people who clicked captchas to earn $0.002 per hour. They literally earn 2500 times more by posting on Bitcointalk, so I don't think the larger prize winners are less likely to post. And they'd have to be 12.5 times less likely to post than $20 prize winners to make the prize distribution plausible.
The website's need for publicity turns out to be the smoking gun.

It's hard to convince people a tag is justified, when it comes to statistical evidence.

That's peanuts compared to the sample I mentioned. With half the data from 10 out of 152 pages, I got a 0.00000239452 chance of it happening. Assuming (I'm not going to count 152 pages) that continues on the other pages, the chance of so little $200 prizes is (give or take) 0.00000239452³⁰. That's around 2.4*10^-169. Your one in a million poker hands are going to happen eventually. The E-169 thing confirms foul play.

That's all I wanted to hear :)

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Quick math:
I checked the "BITCOINS WON BY USERS" counter on their website. It increases by about 1 Bitcoin every 40 seconds. That's about 15 Bitcoin per hour. 360 per day. At 5% house edge, the house earns about 18 Bitcoin per day. That's $1.25 million. Could that be anywhere near the truth?

In casinos it is even worse, because you never have 50 to win. It is 48.64% in European roulette and 47.37% in American roulette.


That's what I was thinking.


I have to agree with you, I had the numbers in my head and it already seemed to me a deviation too far from the mean but I started to look at the other pages and they look the same, so everything indicates that with the larger sample we would still have similar numbers.

I think I flopped one Royal Straight Flush in my entire life (and only won the blinds because my opponents folded), which has a probability of 0.000154%. And I've played millions of hands. It's two orders of magnitude more likely than this.


This should be kept in mind in case they come back claiming to have solved all the problems. The numbers don't add up.


Well, you have just convinced me. Although I had already red tagged them for other reasons. You didn't consider a neutral tag then?

Nope, the topics about it were mostly ignored so I didn't bother. I guess TheQuin's "bullying" of people who complained worked well back then. I remember him posting he's just not going to respond anymore.

Any reason why you say that the Freebitco players get paid $5 to post on Bitcointalk? This is the first time I hear it.

Their counter must be fake. If it was 2014, I would believe that users win 1 Bitcoin every hour because the price was very low but there is no way users win 1 Bitcoin every hour. Look at their registered users counter. It goes up with a regular speed, doesn't matter when you visit the website, the speed of users registering on Freebitco is the same, I haven't seen a little delay in a number of registered users. To be fair, I never trust any live statistics that shows the number of registering users in live with some other live statistics.

Btw is Freebitco really as popular as this article claims? [urk=https://decrypt.co/11005/bitcoin-casino-third-largest-internet-gambling-site-in-the-world]Bitcoin casino Freebitco.in is the third-largest Internet gambling platform in the world[/url]

It's not that they pay anyone posting on the forum.
They give $5 to anyone posting screensheet of winning the two biggest prizes of their faucet.

Visit this thread for more information: Big wins at FreeBitco.in (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855.0)



Read the old post made by TheQuin about the live stats.

Another post by @freebitco.in PR in which all the blame for what happened with the hacking of a certain number of users is shifted to the users themselves. There is no explanation about the deposits that have been stuck for even 8 months. As for @TheQuin, we now at least know that he will no longer be active on BTT, so no explanations should be expected from him.

One would have to make a presumption that with it being a website they have their own customer base and not all of them are associated with this forum therefore would have no reason to post here about their winnings (or alleged winnings).

I cannot concur about his silence being incriminating but according to the post freebitco.in made today in another thread, it seems TheQuin will longer be posting in the forum. It does somehow look very suspicious as far as timing is concerned but the way he framed it was to appear as a business decision to allow him to focus on fraud prevention.

No, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

This is our newest video about the saga with freebitco, video #2 in these "series":

https://youtu.be/Rui3BNMFc2o

I've seen that I appear on the video, lol. But I'm just a nickname here. Congratulations for having warned of the problems three months ago as well.

But you put too long ads before the video. For a channel that barely has any followers it doesn't seem like a good strategy. Better to put few and short ads at the beginning.

Sincere apologies.
We don't control the ads, looks like youtube is doing whatever they want. Truly sorry about that.

We tried to use a different platform previously (e.g. Odysee) but youtube is simply the best from what we've seen.

Use brave (disable its native adblocker) + ublock origin and you won’t be seeing any ads unless it embedded in the content video which seems not to be the case according to the reply above. I still find it fascinating seeing people using the internet without any adblocker software. The internet is the new TV. Unless you fight back, you’ll get overflowed with ads

uBlock is one option and there are many out there but without commenting specifically about the member that has his videos online, just in the general sense (when it comes to gathering data about what the average viewer is doing) ads are doing much more than just showcasing a product or service. They are used as trackers too therefore should be blocked to increase privacy.

This method will no longer work once Brave imports the Manifest V3 crap that Chrome just added. I guess just use Firefox instead.

What if we stop using sites cluttered with ads? You close it and move on. (From an SEO aspect, it will certainly harm domain authority)
I never use an ad blocker and I have nothing against the site having some discreet advertising (something has to bring money into my pocket), but if the ads (or any pop-up) are dominant, then I am not interested in the site's content.


Opera is even better than Firefox.

How so? I am genuinely curious.

I normally don't see the ads, but the link opened in another browser and I thought I'd watch the ads as they sometimes last seconds but he has put at least two very long ads. As not everyone uses blockers, I recommended him not to use such long ads while he has so few followers, as such long ads can turn people away.

Now, can we stop the discussions about ublock, Firefox and Opera please? They are off topic in this thread.

There are basically two internet browsers at the moment.

1- Firefox and firefox based browsers (which are not many)
2- Chrome and chrome based browsers (basically everything that is not forefox. Opera, brave etc)

If chrome adds the new update that kills adblockers, firefox will be the only option left.


Agreed. Let’s stay in topic. Do not talk about browsers. If you want to talk about browsers, create a thread and talk there. Cmon people

I didn't know about that because I don't visit Games and rounds section. It surprised me that wetsuit says Freebitco.in has a lot more users than this forum. Then why does he advertise here for 4 years?

At first I didn't believe there was a problem because bunch of newbie accounts were reporting issues, I thought it was a spam attack from their competitors but now it's clear that this website left carelessly, which I don't really understand. Wetsuit probably has bunch of coins, if he has no time, he could hire a team that would take care of freebitco. TheQuin is a DT member and this was the leverage of freebitco.in to my mind, now they lost this leverage. It's very pity that TheQuin, DT member doesn't care about forum members and didn't tell us a single word about what's going on. He hasn't logged in since 23 May. This isn't the Freebitco.in that I loved and was supporting.

I just checked some pages of his post history: he started as a normal forum user, but in the past 6 years, he almost exclusively posted about freebitcoDOTin. It looks like he went from forum member to casino employee, and that's where his loyalties shifted.

I suppose there is a possibility his employer to him to not post a goodbye or change of duties message, we do not know.

Why they thought it was a good idea to remove a familiar name and replace him with someone else as a forum representative is confusing but he has had his duties allocated away from the forum according to this post by freebitco.in PR (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320959.msg64189937#msg64189937) and that move has caused controversy because those members interested in freebitco.in viewed him as a reference point for the website.

and

Yes, I remember that he was posting in Freebitco's ann thread very often and that's how he got hired but I don't know if he had connections with Freebitco before that. In the end, it's very disrespectful from him to ignore forum members. I think he shouldn't be a DT member.

You mean that probably wetsuit prohibits him from posting on this forum? Despite the fact that he is employed, wetsuit still has no right to prohibit this action. It's okay to prohibit to post under the name of Freebitco but we at least want to hear a thing from him, whether he is alive and well or what's happening.

Either way, wetsuit and TheQuin will not benefit from this. wetsuit ruined the reputation of Freebitco and it will be very hard to fix, TheQuin might be removed from DT list and wetsuit will lose TheQuin as a DT member on Bitcointalk.

You are wrong. Wetsuit has that right actually. If wetsuit is theQuin’s employer, which he is, and then told theQuin to stop posting here, then theQuin has to follow that command.

Or else what?

Or else he will get fired that’s what. You might consider that decision “mean”, “unjust” or even “evil”, it doesn’t matter.

companies do that kind of stuff all the time.

McDonald’s employees wear a red/yellow uniform. They wear a hat and a name tag. What happens when an employee doesn’t like that and wears something else? He gets fired.

He has the right to ignore the employer’s command.

The employer has the right to fire the employee.

Welcome to capitalism.

I don’t know how important this is, but it seems like yesterday I saw on one tor forum that someone is distributing software that allows you to receive a reward every hour automatically (for free). I asked icoress if this is a scam that requires a public warning but have not yet received an answer.

It is completely wrong to associate DT status with any service in any direction. It is not mandatory or crucial that a service has a DT member as its representative.
I'm not sure if TheQuin was added to the default trust list of some users just because he is in front of the freebitco service or if he deserved it with his contribution to the forum.

What are the chances that you can explain to us nicely what you wanted to say and what it all has to do with the problem related to FBin, which is the main topic of this thread?

How can this software solve hcaptcha?

Oh no, this scammer has woken up and is back again? We are doomed!!!

- You are entering in that industry?

No, but why did most sites switch to hcaptcha then?

Can you explain why you are calling me a scammer? Is it possible to become a scammer just by posting (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5406561.0) on a currency exchange board?

Freebitco.in has a new representative on the forum:

Good news. In their main thread Freebitco.in PR account confirmed that this is actually their representative. There was quite many worying signs on Freebitco.in , but now it seems that things is getting back to normal and I hope that their weakest part - customer support finally will get better.
Also, maybe we can expect that their signature campaign will be re-opened.

Solves nothing this account as no confidence on the forum. Just created a week ago.
They could just deceive and not have an ounce of remorse for anything. Their account is a throw away.

I'm not really sure what's your point here. It's all ok to be careful when things comes to money. It doesn't matters much that account was made just week ago because Freebitco.in staff (PR account to be precise) confirmed that this account belongs to their support emplyee. So, don't know how they can deceive with this one or use it as throway account.

CSFBC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3638285)'s last post was 9 days ago. Why isn't this account tagged yet? If you tag the main account, and the accused creates a new account to look clean again, that's not good.

I didn't tag the main accounts, so I didn't tag the alt.

Why haven't you tagged it yet?

As far as I can see the red tags still stand as well as the flag supports. I imagine that nobody tagged this account because it came apparently to solve problems, and so we gave it the benefit of the doubt.

But you have a sound argument for tagging all of them, which I will rely on to keep a red tag even if all the problems that gave rise to the flag and the current red tags are eventually solved.

So, that you don't even leave a spiritually negative neutral tag on it seems too conservative to me.

I think that Neutral tag would be a good idea for CSFBC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3638285) account. I say neutral instead of negative because this account came to solve problems and is only part of Freebitco's customer support team but on the other hand, it looks very strange to me that such a famous and big Bitcoin faucet and casino didn't even have a customer support member before. It's also very strange that the website is poorly structured, using only HTML/CSS and JavaScript (no CMS, no headless CMS, no famous framework).
I don't understand how this website was functioning smoothly till 2024.

TheQuin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=143168) was responsible for their customer support for years. He was responsive to tickets and emails and was also active in the forum. He became less active after October 2023 and offline after May 23, 2024.

A bit off-topic here, but why wouldn't it be?  There are plenty of reasons such a site might prioritize simplicity over bells and whistles. Sticking with basic code can mean lower maintenance costs and less chance of bugs.  Believe it or not, a simpler site can be more secure. Less code means fewer potential vulnerabilities for attackers to exploit.  Besides, you have no way of knowing that they are not using some headless CMS for their backend (maybe even custom made). The very definition of the headless CMS is that it has no impact or input on the front-end.