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I tried DuckDice.io in Aug- 2023 , but my experience was very disappointing, I suffered an incredibly rare 158 losses in a row with the wining chances of 15.5%, resulting in a total loss of 0.37 BTC while i understand that losses are part of gambling, this lengthy losing streak raised serious doubts about the fairness of the game. The odds didn’t seem to align with the results, and i couldn’t shake the feeling that something was off, i even reached out to the admins during this time, but all I got was a simple, “sorry, I can’t do anything.” After reading some of the current bad reviews on trustpilot. it seems I’m not alone in feeling this way, given my experience and the feedback from others, I’d strongly advise caution and recommend exploring other platforms with better transparency and verifiable fairness before risking your funds on DuckDice.io.

Scammer Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1676313.0

Amount Scammed: 0.37 Btc

My Account : https://imgur.com/a/2uC1yvl
Email from Duckdice: https://imgur.com/a/cQ7Gtot
Bet ID: https://imgur.com/a/Z852R43

Recently, I came across several posts and reviews online that raised similar concerns about Duckdice.io, with users alleging manipulated bets and scams. These posts prompted me to revisit my own experience and question the fairness of the platform. You can view the posts that influenced me to ask about my bets.
Here: https://imgur.com/a/8ljRi4n
https://imgur.com/a/OYcj7X9
Bets Unfairness confirmed https://prnt.sc/w5ws9b  and many more.

After reading some of the current bad reviews, it seems I’m not alone in feeling this way. Given my experience and the feedback from others, I’d strongly advise caution and recommend exploring other platforms with better transparency and verifiable fairness before risking your funds on DuckDice.io.

Losing 158 in a roll doesn't mean that the duck dice probably fair system is faulty or fraudulent to the point of opening a thread against them, and the admin or support you contacted is right because supoyhabe no access to prove either a game is won or lost and the support has a line of the job and stepping into verification and odds accuracy is out of their jurisdiction and should not be a bone of contention.

You should know how a casino operates and should always apply the right mindset and approach to whatever one saying or doing when a casino probably fairness is in question so we should avoid making accusations that don't count such as in this case, even as it is within your right to ask for games fairness, although I may be wrong on this, then the house is always at advantage so don't be surprised when you lose more than you win.

This can happen on any gambling site and not only on a single gambling site. We have seen people come to this forum to accuse a gambling site about this same thing exactly.

You were using a strategy and you are thinking it would work and got disappointed that it does not work. Leading to a huge loss. Do not think you can make money from gambling. Gambling sites have higher probability of taking your money than you can win from them.

I wonder if your bets were manual or if you placed a bet on lightning speed or something they have. Lightning bets have always been controversial, and I don't know if they are rigged. Having 158 loss bets in a row with a 15% win chance is too much. Even with a 10% win chance, the maximum losing streak I can think of is 100. I doubt their fairness if I get more than 100 losses in a row with a 10% win chance.

Unfortunately, we cannot say anything without proof. Their games are not open source, and no one can check if their game is rigged or not. After talking to a developer friend, I no longer trust the provably fair system. We never know if they did something behind. I am sorry for your loss. That is not enough to call them scammers.

to clarify my bets were not on lightning speed ro Flashbets it was just standard manual bets. i understand that losing streaks can hapen, but 158 losses in row with a 15% win chance feels extremely unlikely and raised serious concerns about the fairness. I agree that without proof it is hard to make definitive claims, but the lack of transparency and unhelpful response from the admins only adds to the doubts. i am trying to get log in and share the bets, I’m just sharing my experience and advising caution based on it.

I agree on this. I was initially commenting to ask the winning chance rate since I overlook the post but what you said is correct since 158 losing streak sounds like something is wrong since the WR 15.5%.

I think the duckdice representative can verify this since they still have the bet records of each player given that their dice game is provably fair.

Tagging @kirito89 here.

While we agree that anything can happen in gambling, we do not expect a casino to drain your entire balance, no matter how big it is. If you place bets on a 2x multiplier and increase 100% on loss, with a 100 satoshi base bet, you will lose 4.194 BTC in just 22 bets. If you get 27 losses in a row on a 2x multiplier, you will lose 134.2 BTC!

Now, what do you think about it? If someone comes and says they had 27 losses in a row with a 50% win chance, would you say that can happen because anything is possible in gambling? I doubt their fairness if I get more than 15 losses with a 50% win chance. The gambler should be aware of these stats.

You have lost 158 times doesn't mean they have scammed you and it is obviously a part of gambling. And I think as they have not literally scammed you this should not deserve on scam accusation. I am not a fond of the site even I have never used this site but base on the assertion of you I think it should not be a scam.

You do aware that games on duckdice are protected by provably fairness (https://duckdice.io/fairness), right? As in you can ensure that both parties has no control over the outcome of each and every single bets as both parties [you and duckdice] contributed a factor to the outcome. Duckdice through server seed and the players through client seed. You can also verify the outcome through their verification tool (https://codepen.io/DuckDice/pen/abdNzQE).

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And guys, it's provably fair, not probably fair. As in it's prove-able, not probable.

There's no problem with the number of losing rolls either it's 500 or more, but we're talking a losing streak here (as per OP), it is still too much even for 15.5% chance. I will still consider it unfair regardless of the reason and will not come back to that casino lol.

But I still commend OP, who continues to roll even if it's already a matter of concern for such a losing streak, I already stop if I end up on 80 losing streak if it were me especially for that chance..

Actually I don't see what you can accuse them of here, if you have a big losing streak it's not the site's fault maybe it's your luck or your strategy is wrong.

What I find hard to understand is how you managed to spend 0.37BTC in a losing streak? You should have stopped after a certain number of losses.

That's a lot of money if you had hold Bitcoin for the long term or bought some promising coins you might have won many times what you expected from gambling. Anyway it's your choice and you are free to spend your money the way you like.

this isn't the first time I've seen someone posted here about a high losing streak in a row. yes, while extremely unlikely, it is still possible. anyway, were you playing on their dice game? as far as I know, their dice game if provably fair, you can check the bets you've made on their games through provably fair verification tools and see if the results of your bets are correct or not.

Losing streak is not extremely unlikely. If you gamble very often, you will noticed that is do occur frequently. I have gambled very well on three gambling sites that I experienced it. I thought there could be a manipulation when I first experienced it on the first gambling site, but later I make use of another gambling site and the same thing later happened. Also it happened when I used another gambling site.

Those sites know how people can use of some strategies to look for money. They use the house edge to make sure they lost the money. That is just it.

yeah I know, I've gambled enough to know how often a losing streak can happen but a "high loss streak in a row"(which is what you can see on my post) like the one OP experienced, which is 158 times in a row, is highly unlikely to happen but still not impossible.

That’s interesting! Would you mind telling us why you dev friend thinks pf systems should not be trusted?
Well, some pf algorithms might be flawed or might have some loopholes which allow the casino to manipulate the results but it’s usuall easy to spot those flaws.

OP, it’s true that the odds of hitting such a long loosing streak are very very low but it’s still possible. But as holydarkness already pointed out, duckdice games are provably fair. So, if you still can access your betting history, just use their verifier or this one (https://www.provablyfair.me/casino/duckdice-verifier/) to verify your bets and see if you will get the same results.

I was just wondering the same, if I’m not mistaken it means the Op spent $200 on every bets since he said he lost 158 games which amounted to .37BTC.


I believe I read that thread and from what I can recall that one played more games than this one and lost all of them and after verifying it turned that he wasn’t cheated  which he initially thought he was being cheated.

@op, I’m curious to see what you’ll get after verifying all your bets - if you do have the time to go through every single one of them please don’t forget to share with the community what the results were if there was any abnormal result amount them or if you were just unlucky to have lost 158 bets.

I was discussing with him in general, and he asked what you are doing. I said, um, playing games. He said never place the max bet. I asked him why. These games are designed with a provably fair system, and players can verify each bet. Since I do not know coding, I don't know how these things work; he did not bother to explain to me how they can be manipulated, but according to him. He could also design these games, and he believes that most online games are rigged. I did not debate because I didn't understand those things. I don't know what is possible and what is not possible. I still play in-house games but always play with what I can afford to lose.

I was just trying to wait for a win, hoping the odds would eventually balance out.i thought the losing streak would end, but unfortunately, it didn't, and i lost everything.

What made it worse was DuckDice’s lack of support during the whole ordeal. Their response was just “sorry, can’t do anything,” which felt really dismissive when I was losing so much. It wasn’t just about my strategy, i believe they were watching my rolls and they manipulate the results  —POV. the platform is not friendly and more like unfair

Anyway thanks for sharing your thoughts.

What were you actually wanting from them after getting such losing streak? Had you reached the admin to get some lossback? Personally, I think they should have credited some lossback to you if your losing streak was true. The chance of getting 158 losses in a row at DuckDice is (0.845)¹⁵⁸ = 2.78e-12 or 2.78e-10%, which is extremely rare. Every gambler will blame the game as rigged or unfair after having such rare losing streak. However, I won't say that DuckDice game is unfair. You can also verify your bets on 3rd party verifier like: https://btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/

Hi there, Kirito89 from Duckdice Support here :).


I usually take these types of threads with a grain of salt especially since you came up with a scam accusation 1 year + after the incident, as other users have mentioned our game is provably fair, and you can use 3d party verifiers to confirm the fairness of the rolls.

Leaving that aside, can you tell me your duckdice username, and I'll look into it, to see if if this streak of 158 losses actually happened? Also for further proof you could actually download the bets aswell and post them here :).

Waiting on your username so I can look into it,

Have a nice day!

This is one thing i don't usually do because there are may fake review and most of the site that rates about gambling site are mostly bought /paid review and can likely put one into danger. So what I does is that I quickly come here to see the best review from users because I believed that there are real time gamblers here and only them can give a direct rate from their experience. Like some of the review from this scam accusation would like go very far from people that wants to choose gambling site they want to gamble with.

Still waiting on this OP to provide his username to see if his claims are actually true.

I'm certain its not, and this is simply another blackmail attempt, we used to have a certain user doing this the past few years.

We are currently being spammed with fake reviews on Trustpilot, and it coincides with this thread being created :).


https://imgur.com/a/OKAlIXC




Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

a lot of gamblers have felt the same way when they kept losing. sorry but as I mentioned before, while what happened is extremely rare it is still possible to happen. creating scenarios like "i believe they were watching my rolls and they manipulate the results" to make yourself believe that the casino is cheating is pointless since it is based on no facts but feelings only. As I mentioned before, use their provably fair verification tools to see if the result of your bet is correct or not.

I am not trying to be rude but gambling especially luck-based games can be unpredictable and a lot of things you might think will not happen could happen.

With no supporting evidence to back up the accusation, I have to mark this one as invalid. Uh, wait. The nature of the case itself, though, grants for an invalid status, as OP complained and accuses the games to be rigged while everything can be proven through several verifier that's been provided to him by many members.

So, OP, if you're interested to mark this case as valid [on process], I'll suggest you to validate your claims that the game is rigged through a result that is different from the verifiers.

Hello Kirito89,thanks for your response. I understand your position, but my concerns is the rare streak of 158 losses, which felt very unusual.and after reading some of the reviews on Trustpilot and here i realized that i was tricked, I’ve reached out to DuckDice support that time and no one was as helpful as you are here ,i  wasn’t helped by any moderators at the time, and the admin’s response was rude and unhelpful.

Now, I appreciate you addressing this here on Bitcointalk.my duckdice username is SEZMISENK41.

Edit: my account is deleted as it wasn't ended well with the duckdice.io and now i can not login to the account.

We don't actually delete accounts unless its user requested,  but I will look into it.    Also this part " and after reading some of the reviews on Trustpilot and here i realized that i was tricked"  you do realize you admitted you are behind those reviews?  as can be seen here:  https://imgur.com/a/OKAlIXC


Regardless, I'll look into it.


Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

i want to clarify that my review on bitcointalk and tustpilot was based purely on my personal experience with duckdice.io.i have no involvement in any email or other actions demanding money.

I simply shared my honest feedback, and i am not behind any other posts or communications.

 Edit:if you delete the account the bets info get disappear or i can recover it?

I might be wrong, but since you're asking for account termination, and they are bound by GDPR, upon such request, all of your personal data will be erased and the process is irreversible. So... I don't think you can still get those bet info.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/12/04/ptRT3.jpeg

unless, you didn't ask for account deletion and it was simply being suspended.

As i mentioned in my post, i reached out to your admins multiple times earlier and never received any meaningful assistance but "sorry we can't help". It's been 3 days since your last reply. I’m still waiting for any updates regarding my account. I’m unable to log in, and it seems my account might have been deleted or my bet history has vanished. This only adds to my concerns, as I feel I’ve been misled and treated unfairly. If you can provide my bet history here, as requested, that would be greatly appreciated.

Am currently waiting on information to see if this "SEZMISENK41" account you claim ever existed.

But there are a certain number of things about this thread and you OP that make me believe we're dealing with yet again another scammer/blackmailer (or same one as before):

1.  You come after 1 year, with a wild accusation/scenario, but no proof is added on your side.  Why have you waited 1 year for this?
2.  You follow the MO of the usual scammer/blackmailer we've been dealing with on bitcointalk which is a) make an absurd accusation with no proof to back it up, b) start spamming our trustpilot page with fake reviews, c) send us a message in order it to "make the reviews go away" to give you a bonus. ( I attached a screenshot in an earlier message)
3.  You claim you've been in touch with our admins multiple times,  can you provide some screenshots of this? As the only way to get in touch with our admin team is via email, so you should have an email correspondence with them? I searched the live support history for the username you provided, and there are 0 chatlogs regarding it. Which I find weird since surely you'd contact live support aswell regarding this issue and not only admins via mail.

Regardless, I'll come back with an update once I get more info from our dev team about the "SEZMISENK41" account, if it existed.



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

point to be noted, if multiple users are experiencing similar issues, it may indicate that the platform uses a common method that leads to unfair outcomes for many players. this could explain the negative reviews and complaints and i urge you to consider this rather than dismissing them as isolated cases.

As I’ve stated, i have no involvement in blackmail or fake reviews. my goal is simply to share my experience and raise awarenes. regarding my communication with your team, I did not contact the admins via email but through live chat and private messages with multiple admins. I’m unsure why you can’t find the chat logs, but i assure you i reached out several times.
why I’m coming forward after a year?  I’ve recently read several posts here from other users with similar complaints, which made me realize that i may have been scammed (Tricked) as well.
i hope this clears up any confusion. my intention is to highlight concerns about fairness on your platform. also since i no longer have access to the account, i request that you provide the bet history so we can all review it and clarify the BETS results.
Thank you.

Interesting,  as can be seen in this screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/OKAlIXC  you clearly state that your reviews! (multiple ones) have taken our rating from a 4.1 to a 2.7, also interesting that you're saying you will remove them for a bonus ( while here you claim your intentions are to highlight concerns about fairness), so how is this not a blackmail attempt? :)

I'll re-iterate that our system is provably fair, which can be verified independently by anyone.

Also, admins/devs are not reachable via live support, you could only get in touch with live support agents such as myself via live support. We use a 3d party app for livechat, so we don't have back-end access to be able to delete livechat tickets, so again, don't really understand why I can't find any call from you there.

There are no other users here with "similar complaints",  every other bitcointalk thread with similar or exact pattern such as yours, were proven to be scamming and blackmail-ing attempts :).



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Once again i want to clarify that i am not behind the emails or messages demanding money or offering to remove reviews in exchange for compensation. It seems someone else, using a name similar to mine, is attempting to exploit this situation. i strongly advise you not to pay such individuals. If possible, i suggest you ask him if he can edit this post before you pay him so it can help you find out who is behind this post, (sounds funny).
as for reviews, iwant to emphasize that the post i made on bitcointalk is my first public complaint about my experience. On trustpilot, i left a single review detailing my concerns, which you’ve already responded to. Beyond these, I’ve had no involvement in any other posts or actions that might have impacted your platform’s ratings. my intention remains unchanged to share my personal experience and raise awareness about the issues i encountered with duckdice.io. i encourage you to focus on investigating my original concerns rather than conflating them with unrelated actions from other individuals.

Look, I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt, but there are so many things about your post, that make me very doubtful, starting with the username.

So there is a way in which we can asses from your side, if at least you are telling a part of the truth,  in your mail account, which you used to register on duckdice, you will have emails from Duckdice that state the username aswell, please attach here publicly a screenshot of an email that shows its from duckdice, containing the username SEZMISENK41 you claim this happened on.  Even if the account was deleted by us as you claim (we never delete accounts without an user's request) we can not delete the emails from your personal account :).

per example:  https://imgur.com/a/1tR3IOy

Looking forward to hearing from you.


Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

I’ve attached a screenshot of an email from DuckDice.io showing my user during a change of email request. I trust this confirms the account’s existence and addresses any doubts.
https://imgur.com/a/2uC1yvl

i hope we can now focus on the concerns i initially raised regarding the extraordinary losing streak and the fairness mechanisms in place.

Looking forward to your response.

If I may...

Kirito89, perhaps this is a different user from the one who send you that extortion message and only have small similarities between their username. My first reaction upon reading the extortion message [the username, to be precise], was to conclude the same, so I can see why and how you think they're the same person.

However, further reading the message body, the sender claimed that his thread has been read by more than 1,000 users and got 74 replies. This is nowhere near the stat of this thread. Not then, not now. So perhaps a different person.

I can't find a current thread against DuckDice that fits this criteria either, so perhaps that user lied.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/12/07/pVM2b.png

Point is, perhaps this is indeed a different user and maybe it'll be best to just dig this user's betting history [suppose he didn't ask for erasure] and provide him the log so he can prove the PF himself and satisfy his curiosity.

I believe that should conclude his case.

And, OP, Horsbyname,

I believe that part has been explained, at least the fairness mechanism, that duckdice has PF set in place that anyone can verify through the verifier they provided, or through other verifier site that's been suggested by others.

With PF being explained, I believe it should significantly disprove the claim that they intentionally put you in a lose streak, given each and every round is provably fair and can't be manipulated, both sides contribute to a factor that influence the outcome of the bet.

However, if you need further proof to ease your doubt, we can only hope that you did not ask for account closure on your last situation with them, as it'll trigger data erasure due to GDPR compliance, and both you or DuckDice can no longer access your betting history to verify the one by one.

If they still have your data because you [hopefully] did not ask for it to be deleted, upon confirmation from Kirito89 that he can find your account, I am sure you won't mind to formally write to them from the email address used to register that username, asking for that log, as I believe they'll only allowed to share it with the account holder, as proven by writing the request from the email associated with the account.

yup I understand the concept of provably fair systems, I’ve recently come acros several detailed posts on this platform regarding unfair betting patterns on duckdice.these accounts, combined with my own experience, now make me confident that the duckdice has the ability to manipulate bet results despite PF claims.

I stand by my concerns and hope this issue is investigated thoroughly.

Edit: I’ve raised a red flag against Duckdice.io for scamming me. You can view it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3350. i also asked their representative to share my bet history here for transparency, but they have ignored my request so far.

It’s been some time since i shared my concerns, and I’ve yet to receive a response. The representative previously asked me to provide proof of my account, which I did by sharing a screenshot of an email from duckdice confirming the username. however, I have not received any follow-up or acknowledgment regarding this.

Your continued silence on this matter only makes the situation more suspicious and raises further doubts about the platform’s fairness. can you please provide an update on the status of my request to review the bets in question?

For hypothetical purpose, I really love to hear your theory on how a PF being manipulated. Though you've stated that you understand the concept of PF, it seems you missed the part where --as reflected by the name-- it is prove-able.

Again, I'll repeat my correction to some error and misconception that some user said earlier on this thread about what PF stand for. Prove-able, not probable, as in being able to be checked and proven, not having a chance of something. Any user from any casino with PF can check the real outcome of their bet using several PF verifier tools. I think it's hard to manipulate the result as it would mean the result will differ from the third party verifier.


If the claim proven to be correct, then yes, I will support the flag and tag DuckDice myself. Without them, though, that'll be DT power abuse and I can't do that.


I'll page them, perhaps they handled other matter and forgot to reply here. It shouldn't take long to look for an account in their database and determine whether it's still in their record or it's been deleted according to the user's request.

Sorry for the long delay on a response, I've received confirmation that unfortunately you have self-deleted the account, basically revoked the customer agreement according to GDPR, so all data about your account has been deleted, while the bets are still in our backlog, there is no actual way to link the bets to an account if its been deleted.

And in all honesty, I'd consider this a closed case, and a weak attempt at trying to discredit our provably fair system. 1. Its a claim with no actual proof behind it, like previously repetead by myself and other members, our system is provably fair.  2. I still find it weird that this is a claim that comes up after 1 year since it apparently happened, I'd think for someone who claims lost money on a "unfair" streak, they'd make noise and accusations as soon as it happens, not 1 year later. 3. It coincidentally happens at the same time while we're getting spammed with fake reviews on trust pilot, same pattern we used to have in the past with other blackmailers here on bitcointalk.

So unless there is some actual proof on this, I'll limit the response in this thread.


Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

I need to address a few points. First, as mentioned earlier, i recently came across several posts on bitcointalk detailing concerns about duckdice.io manipulating bet results, which prompted me to question my own experience; I will share one here for references https://imgur.com/a/OYcj7X9 . while there is several and everyone who lose such amount and read this will have such reaction. Second, i did not request account deletion, nor was I aware such an option existed until users mentioned it, so your claim appears to be a convenient way to avoid addressing my request for bet history. Third, it is contradictory that you initially stated my username didn’t exist, but now claim it was deleted, raising serious doubts about your transparency. For the fifth time, I want to emphasize that I have never contacted your team to demand money or bonuses, and I urge you to stop bringing up unrelated accusations to divert attention from this issue. While your provably fair system may work theoretcally, these inconsistencies and reports from other users suggest possible manipulation within your platform, and I stand by my concerns, seeking clarity on these issues.

Amongst the points you raised, I have foreseen that it'll be an issue and had mulled a best approach to get that validated/invalidated, so I can probably help this one cleared.

If you don't mind to dive into your email with them, which evidently you still have, as you can procure that email with username, can you perhaps provide it here your few latest email with them? To show what wording you use that lead you both to this situation below,

Thank you for your input. as per the representative's earlier request, I have already provided proof of my account via a screenshot from my email. Additionally, I recall sharing a screenshot of one of my winning bets with a friend, either on Instagram or Telegram. I am currently trying to locate this screenshot, and if I find it, I will post it here as further evidence. Maybe it will help them to locate the other bets as well.

If more emails are requested, i can look into it, but what I really want is for the representative to provide my bet history here. This would allow me to verify the outcomes and ensure my losses were fair, which would help satisfy me and put my mind at ease regarding this matter.

I guess their official representative already commented that they can't filter the history of a deleted account, and that's a fair response. However, it would be great if they might somehow manage to share the history of your bets as that will clear many of your doubts.

I feel bad for you OP because losing that much money is quite tough, but if you had such thoughts about them then why haven't you created this accusation when you had the doubts instead of creating it now.

Thank you for your concern and understanding. regarding the delay in raising this issue, I genuinely didn’t consider it at the time that duckdice is not 100% fair. It was only after reading posts from others on this platform, highlighting similar concerns about duckdice.io practices, that i started questioning my own experience. I have also mentioned several times before that I came across multiple posts here regarding fairness issues with Duckdice.io, and a quick search on Google reveals numerous similar complaints across different platforms.
they claimed my account didn’t exist. Later, they acknowledged that it had been deleted. This inconsistency only adds to my doubts. Additionally, as I’ve stated before, I was not aware that accounts could be deleted on their site until I came across posts and reviews mentioning this possibility.

I urge them to explore every possibility to retrieve and share my bet history. Doing so would clear doubts and provide clarity on whether my losses were fair. I hope they reconsider and prioritize this step to address the concerns raised.

Actually, what I asked is not screenshots of your winning bet that you shared with your friend in the past to retrieve its betID, though it might be helpful as they still have their big data of betID and simply unable to tie those betID on their database to your account as anything that ties you to their database has been severed due to GDPR compliance. What I asked, though, is the latest email exchange you had with them that brought you to your account closure.

From it, we might be able to see if you indeed asked for an account closure in such wording that prompt them to delete all your personal data due to GDPR or other broader context.


Actually, through a lens, what they said is consistent. They can't find your username, thus thinking that it didn't exist. Upon given proof that you had an email from DuckDice under that username, they concluded that the account existed in the past and no longer exist in the present, thus deleted. Regarding account being deleted, it's actually written on their ToS, I believe I pointed that somewhere in my older post in this thread.

Moving to your urge to retrieve your betting history, as you perhaps still unable to grasp the situation that applies here, if I may try to explain, your latest exchange of communication with them prompt them to delete your account and wipe everything clean [how true their claim is, that you asked for account deletion, can easily be proven or debunked by you digging your inbox and unearthed those last communications]. There is nothing left for them to tie a bet with your account, thus there is nothing retrievable. GDPR require all of private data to be wiped from a platform's database upon request and they complied to it.

Yes, I assume they still have their raw data of betID and the details, as it is required by their regulator, but those data can no longer be tied to you. Simply put, "SEZMISENK41" can no longer be found on their database. That account no longer exist. No bets, no balance, no withdrawal or deposit record. Nothing.

The best step you can try right now, from where I stand, is to find those latest email with them, to see if you do asked for an account deletion or they said it just to help their narrative. We shall see where should we move from that point.

Thank you for your explanation. To clarify, I never requested account deletion or closure in any communication with Duckdice, I only learned about this possibility after reading posts and reviews. The inconsistency in their responses remains concerning—they initially claimed my username didn’t exist, only to later acknowledge it had been deleted after I provided proof.This lack of transparency raises serious doubts about the platform’s handling of user data and complaints.

I have also shared another screenshot showing that I received a Hot Friday bonus for weekly wagering and losing https://imgur.com/a/cQ7Gtot as well as a screenshot showing my username along with a bet ID that I shared with a friend after wining a bet : https://imgur.com/a/Z852R43 I am confident I never requested deletion. again my only goal is to ensure my losses were fair and to seek clarity on this matter.

I kindly request users to support my red flag against Duckdice.io to raise awareness about these concerns: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3350.

Hello again,

There have been 0 incosistencies in my responses, I've stated that the username doesn't exist, that I can't find it in the database, when you provided proof that you infact had that username, I've stated an account can be deleted/wiped out only via removing GDPR consent by an user.

While the bets continue to exist in the database, there's no actual way to tie them to an account if its been deleted from the database.

How exactly is a flag against Duckdice warranted here?  Where you have provided 0 evidence of supporting your claim,  when you somehow come after 1 year of allegedly this loss happening?

I must ask: why was my account deleted if I never requested it to be? As I mentioned earlier, I never asked for my account to be deleted, and the claim that I did remains unsubstantiated. If you have any proof of such a request, please provide it.
As I’ve mentioned multiple times, I came forward with my concerns a year later after recently reading other users' reviews and posts on Bitcointalk, where many shared similar experiences of being scammed or having their bets manipulated. This is what prompted me to speak out about my own experience.
You mention that I’ve provided 0 evidence to support my claim, but I have already shared several pieces of evidence, including my account, bet history, and bonuses, which I have provided here.  Now you acknowledge this evidence and address my concerns more transparently please.

The red flag was created to raise awareness about these ongoing concerns, and I believe it’s important for the community to be informed, especially given the lack of clarity and transparency regarding my account and the bets.

To make things more clear, and if I have to repeat, only you can provide a way to prove or disprove the statement of you asking for account removal. From their side, there were not any single data tied to your account. Not email, not chat, nothing. From your side, though, you still have email that you exchanged with them near the end of your stay with them, that you described as "wasn't ended well",


and if you could satisfy my curiosity, may I know how did you ended up with the thread you put in your opening post through edit; https://imgur.com/a/8ljRi4n?

No, you provided an username, you have provided 0 evidence of what you allegedily say happened.



Oh, thank you for this holydarkness, I actually missed it. It makes a lot more sense now.  Now that trustpilot message we received makes sense aswell :).

As I mentioned, they have deleted my account along with all the chat history, which was tied to the account itself. I never used email to communicate with them, as all interactions were conducted through the platform. The only emails I received from them were promotional ones.


To answer your curiosity, I came across posts and reviews raising concerns about Duckdice's practices. That post caught my attention, where a user shared their experience about manipulated bets. The most compelling part was that Duckdice admin, the same one I interacted with, confirmed the issue in their reply to that user.
Here: https://prnt.sc/w5ws9b

Sorry if my previous question was not clear enough. I am wondering about how did you ended up with that post that caught your attention in the first place? Was it linked from other discussion forum or platform or blog? Or were you stumbled upon it yourself?

It’s been a few months since I joined this forum. As I recently got into crypto, I often search for various topics about it. That’s how I found this forum, created an account, and began exploring.

If you search within this Bitcointalk forum for Duckdice.io reviews, you’ll find numerous complaints from users. Many raise concerns about unfairness, bad behavior (which I’ve personally experienced), and even serious cases like Duckdice confiscating 9 BTC from a user after they won. These posts, along with my own experience, highlight significant issues with the platform.

How did you recently get into crypto, *a few months* when you were gambling with crypto!  1 year + ago?

Kirito89, what are you trying to prove here? Isn't it better to oil your own machine? Stop finding flaws in his writing, you should act professionally as you are representing Duckdice here. So, you should provide answers to the questions and stop fingering these silly things. He said it's been a few months since he joined the forum. Joining the forum and getting into crypto isn't the same thing.

He could say that he was gambling for years with crypto but never felt he would be in it like how he is today. A lot of people used crypto for the first time because they needed crypto to deposit at a casino. But later, they fully get into crypto.

Honestly at this point it gets really exhausting, having to adress again and again a baseless accusation, where no proof has been submitted. Have been dealing with this exact type of scenario on bitcointalk for years now, and for some reason, other than a few people such as holydarkness, who actually takes the time and looks into such threads, most of bitcointalk seems to take a back seat when it comes to scam accusations without any actual evidence against duckdice.

That being said, I'll retire myself from this thread and actually reply if proof is submitted and not ( I got a few hundred red streaks on a %, oh but it happened last year, and I don't have the account anymore, also I have nothing to do with the fact that I started this thread at the same time as a fake review campaign against you on trustpilot started, its just a coincidence).

I chose to remain focused on my main concerns instead of responding in kind to the representative's mocking remarks, as I want the discussion to stay on track.

I’d like to ask the Duckdice representative: how did you end up with the bet result that a user previously complained about, which your admin admitted was unfair? Such incidents raise serious questions about the platform’s integrity."

you're tired of repeating yourself? but the fact remains that my concerns are based on genuine issues, not baseless accusations. I’ve provided evidence in the form of screenshots to verify my claims about my username, bonus receipts, and bet Ids.

Regarding the bet results, losing 158 times in a row with a 15.5% win chance is highly unusual. I'm simply asking for clarification and transparency, not to accuse without reason. You continue to avoid my questions, instead focusing on unrelated matters.

I also want to clarify for the 5th time that I’m not part of any fake review campaign on Trustpilot. I will continue to seek answers for the issues I’ve faced, and I believe transparency from Duckdice is the only way to resolve this."

It does not really matter how long you have been dealing with this kind of accusations, either you should remain professional, or you should not reply at all. I did not even bother to check your previous reply because I saw you have been professional with your service so far. But when you try to point out everything, that is not professional anymore. This is not the first time we see players trying to get some benefit after a couple of months or after a year, but as a support professional, you should use your words wisely. I hope that makes sense. Just answer what you were asked. You don't have to find flaws in his writing. It seems like you are trying to find his mistake instead of proving yourself honest.

Instead of addressing the main issue—how I ended up with 158 consecutive losses (0.37 BTC) on a 15.5% win chance and whether those results were fair—their representative continues to avoid the question and focus on unrelated details. I sent them an email almost 6 days ago, offering to provide any proof they require, and simply requested access to the bets I’m curious about so I can verify them. I also shared a screenshot of my bet ID, which can help them locate my other bets from that period—around 300 bets in total, including the 158 consecutive losses. Despite this, they have ignored my request to investigate further. Additionally, I asked their representative how they confirmed the unfair bet results of another user, as admitted by their admin previously, but this question was also left unanswered. Their lack of transparency and unwillingness to clarify these concerns only raises further doubts about fairness and integrity.
I kindly request all members to support my flag against Duckdice.io to expose their practices to the public and spread awareness about their unfairness.

Flag link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3350

I will have to say that it is actually been explained repetitively to you, the whole situation.

Summarized, your situation can be grouped into two inquiries: the fairness, that you doubted because you lost in 158 consecutive games with 15.5% win chance, and access to your betting history so you can verify them yourself.

Well, for the first inquiry, as can be easily verified by anyone reading the thread, it's been repetitively brought to your understanding that they utilize PF method. Every game can be verified.

Losing 158 consecutive games does not directly translates as game manipulation. Imagine if we suppose for a sec that it's a whole different player in a whole different time who play and verify each of those 158 games he lost through several methods provided by crypto gambling enthusiasts, wouldn't the risk of being caught red-handed pretty much very big. And I somewhat sure there are players out there who randomly verify their bets, either just for fun or because they're furious with their losing streak and I think it all came verified.

Though I don't think it's necessary to be brought out, but I don't think it'll hurt to further emphasize that 15.5% chance of win means on 100 games that's being played, you'll win at least 15 times. The probability of winning on each round is 15.5%, while the probability of losing is 84.5%. When the next round come, that number stays. It's a chance, not a turn.

Second, betting history. This can not be retrieved as your account has been wiped clean in compliance to GDPR. They can't investigate even if they want to because there were no more thing that ties you with their database. For this same reason, they can't help you verify your old bets as... well they don't know which bet is yours.

Granted, you gave one screenshot that ties a betID to your account from your dig to the past. But that's a winning bet, if I understand correctly? So wouldn't that be rather useless to use that betID to prove the fairness as what you're looking is a proof that said the bet is winning according to the PF verification but shown as losing bet on their platform?

Nonetheless, if it helps close this topic... Kirito89, I am humbly asking your presence here once more and see this image below:

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/12/18/Dmy53.jpeg

BetID 64497e4e7ed is evidently tied to sezmisenk41, thus OP's bet. Does your database happen to record betID with the exact same format as what's shown to your player, thus you can dig betID 64497e4e7ed and provide us with its server hash, client hash, and nonce so OP can verify the fairness of that bet?

Hello, thank you for the ping holydarkness  so searching for the bet I came upon  https://imgur.com/a/1EslLPI,  while the OP didn't reset his seed making the bet verifiable, I'm sure our devs will be able to dig out the unhashed server seed, and with an aproximately 9000-10000 bets on that seed, we'll be finally able to verify each individual bet in that seed to see if the 158 streak on 15.5% actually happened :).    I will post here once I have the unhashed server seed aswell so it can be verified by 3d parties aswell.
Thanks again holydarkness

Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Thank you for your response and engagement on this matter again. I’ve just sent an email to your support team, requesting your presence here to address the solution provided by Holydarkness. Resolving this issue will bring some peace of mind, as the uncertainty surrounding my losses has been mentally exhausting and torturous for me. I hope this leads to clarity and resolution.

Sorry for the delayed response,  I've been a bit busy with holiday preparations.

So here is the OP's bet, with server seed unhashed.

Server seed unhashed:  b36be07c87f1e0abe44f325cb4e7c80f7c8db147838d2532ca560bf549e86c47

Server seed hashed:  cdd08e0c9cd4c8c25730b7c8168849164f06a192dc891b5fb10008ef767e631d

Client seed: PCEazJjcLcOyfxN0pOUbpK2dLdfqqa

The nounce the OP provided is 9650, So I assume his bet happened before then.

He claims somewhere on this seed a 158 losing streak on 15% happened, so if any fine bitcointalk members will be able to automate this to give out a spreadsheet of each bet would be very helpful, if not I'll get to it eventually, though I might be a bit delayed with holiday season.


Kirito89,

Duckdice Support.

I will wait for either you or any other Bitcointalk members to verify the streak, as you mentioned. If someone from the community can automate this and produce a spreadsheet of all bets on this seed, it would indeed be very helpful.

I hope this process can finally bring clarity to my concerns. Once the results are confirmed, I’ll act accordingly and update my posts and reviews based on the findings. Let’s work together to resolve this matter in a fair and transparent manner.

Here are the results of the first 10000 rolls:
https://pastebin.com/SMuBKAp9

I used the code that duckdice online verifier uses and put it into a for loop.
Link to duckdice vetifier source code:
https://codepen.io/DuckDice/pen/abdNzQE

Sorry, I don’t have much time right now but I don’t think it’s going to be too hard for anyone to find the longest losing streak.

Thank you khaled0111!

Currently I've checked for the longest streak of OPs while chasing a 15.5% chance, and on the under side, basically rolls streak over 1550,  the longest streak he encountered was a 41 losing streak, between nounce 12 and 51.

Will check aswell for under 8449 (15.5% chance on the other side) but I'm guessing it will be something similar, which is not even close to the 158 losing streak he claims.


Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

I just checked it too and can confirm the numbers you gave are correct.
- For bets with 15.5% win chance on under 1550, the longest losing streak is 41, from roll number 12 to roll number 51.
- For bets with 15.5% win chance on over 8449, the longest losing streak is 57, from roll number 5074 to roll number 5130.

Thank you for confirming it aswell. Really appreciate your help on this matter.



So with this, its been proven that OP's claim of the 158 red streak on 15.5% chance is in fact a lie...

Really appreciate your help on this khaled0111  and also a big thank you to holydarkness, if you didn't catch that part where OP posted a picture of one of his bets, we would not have been able to come upon his actual bet history and to be able to disprove his false claim.



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

OP, with this, I believe several things are clarified and you find closure with this past issue of yours? Hopefully it is enough to close the lid for this matter for good.

Do you have other grievance that we might can help clarify and get it aired?

Thank you for reviewing the streak, but I want to clarify that the bet I provided was from an earlier session and was shared only to prove my presence and account ownership. The 158 losing streak I mentioned occurred much later, possibly close to or even beyond 35k bets.

Before hitting that unbelievable 158-loss streak, I also experienced multiple smaller streaks, such as 30, 40, or even 70-75 losses in a row. These streaks were frustrating, but what truly felt suspicious was how the outcomes seemed to react to my actions. For example, whenever I switched sides, the results would immediately favor the opposite side. At some points, it genuinely felt like Duckdice was playing against me.

I would be truly glad if you could restore access to my account so I can personally review all my bets. That would satisfy me greatly and help clear up my doubts. It also raises questions because earlier, it was claimed that my account and bet history no longer existed, yet now you’ve been able to provide information about my bets. This inconsistency only adds to my concerns, and I hope for clarity moving forward.

Like previously mentioned, when an user requests us to delete all data associated with his account, basically you revoke consent to apply the terms and conditions, all data about the account stored on our side is deleted, username, email address, IP address, crypto transactions, absolutely everything is deleted.   While the bets do remain in the system, they will only show as bets placed by a "Deleted" account. Unable to link them to anyone, the only reason we were able to verify these bets as yours is because you posted a screenshot displaying the hashed server seed, and client seed.  so that client seed and server seed is still in our database, and we were able to verify the bets.

What we can do to "help clear your doubts" would be to verify the rolls for the next 35000 rolls, or better yet the next 50000 rolls, assuming that would be enough to cover your range, though I really hope you won't come up next and claim it happened somewhere around the millionth roll.

Khaled0111 would you be able to generate his 50,000 rolls so I can verify them and post the results here?


Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

I want to address a few points. Firstly, I never requested the account deletion, I have asked you multiple times to provide proof of such a request if it exists, yet no evidence has been provided. As I’ve consistently stated my intent is to verify the specific losing streak, not to dispute any winning bets. Thirdly, the results you posted earlier regarding my bets did not specify which bets were wins or losses, which is crucial, as I’ve mentioned Duckdice.io appeared to play against me during the last 300 or approximately 350 bets, ultimately depleting my balance to zero.

Additionally, I was not even aware that account deletion was an option at Duckdice. I belive my account was only deleted after I created a public post against Duckdice.io, raising concerns about fairness and transparency.

I would like to address the matter from my POV, if I may,

First, of proving you asked for account deletion, as the explanation about it seems to be failed to be understood by you [no offense intended]. It is not possible. Your data wiped clean. Nothing left. As such, so did the correspondencies you had with them. That point is moot. Drop it.

Second, of the intent is to verify a specific losing bets, yes they got the message and are on the same page as you. They're trying to disprove this accusation. Hence their effort to re-build a virtually impossible database, to recompile and retrace your betting history.

Third, umm, weren't the inent is to verify a specific losing bets? The result they posted earlier were displaying the longest losing streak they can dig. I don't  think I understand. How do which bets is winning or losing become relevant in this pursue of verifying a long losing streak?

1. I won't get into the account deletion again as its pointless right now, I've tried my best explaining it countless of times.

2. You clearly started this whole thread claiming that you had an unreal 158 loosing streak which caused you to lose 0.38 BTC, I know you weren't expecting the bet evidence to be something we could verify, I wasn't also, the sole fact you posted that screenshot with the bet id made it possible to verify that certain server seed.

3. I have just told you we will check the next 50000 rolls for that "158 red streak" so why are you now switching it to " as I’ve mentioned Duckdice.io appeared to play against me during the last 300 or approximately 350 bets, ultimately depleting my balance to zero."? Your whole story currently changed, you clearly claimed in the OP that a betting streak of 158 on 15.5% losses caused you to lose, and now you're claiming its losing bets vs winning bets, which changes the whole narrative,  I know that you believe this is something that you can leverage again, but we can actually check that aswell, check the losing bets vs winning bets for the first 50k rolls on that seed, and I'll guarantee its more or less around 14-14.5% winning hands, accounting for the 1% house edge.


4. I'm sorry if my tone seems unprofessional to the rest of bitcointalk, but we've been dealing with this exact type of user for years now, while I can't prove its the exact person as in previous cases ( in previous cases the accuser wouldn't delete his duckdice accounts/alt accounts, and in the end we could always track/connect them), every once in a while, a fake accusation pops up, coupled with some trustpilot spam, and other things, and when the case gets proven to be fake ( which will be the same situation as now, once I verify his future 50k rolls), another one will pop-up in a month or 2, or 5.



He's simply trying to change the narrative which makes no sense, claiming that he lost that 0.38 btc because the losing bets were a lot more than winning bets. 



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

First, regarding the account deletion, while you mentioned that it's impossible to prove a deletion request because all data is wiped, I still never requested for my account to be deleted, Earlier Duckdice representative mentioned, "when a user requests us to delete all data associated with his account," which implies that an account is deleted after such a request is made. Therefore, there must be an email or private message in Duckdice’s inbox showing my request, yet no such proof has been provided. If Duckdice claims they deleted my account, then I must have requested it from either an admin or a dev, and they should be able to provide evidence of that request. I continuously speak about the account deletion issue because all the proofs are there, and yet you guys are ignoring this part.

The reason why knowing which bets were wins and which were losses is relevant is because it provides context to the losing streak. While it's true that the goal is to verify 158 losing streak, the sequence of individual bets is crucial for understanding the full picture.

I was manually changing sides during the bets, and if the results are not showing which bets were wins or losses, it becomes difficult to confirm whether the streak was influenced by the side changes I made.

So, knowing the outcomes of individual bets will help confirm whether the losing streak is legitimate or if something else contributed to it, Without this detailed breakdown, it's hard to be sure that the 158 losses in a row were an actual streak based on random chance, rather than some external factor.


As a user found a bet that was clearly unfair, and Duckdice admitted to the Unfairness of the bet and the user was refunded. If they were able to recognize and accept that unfairness in one case, it’s reasonable to believe that the same could be true for my case as well. This shows that it is possible for the system to manipulate or affect the results, and it could be happening to me and others as well.

Yes, sure!
Here are the results for the bets from roll number 10001 to roll number 50000:
https://pastebin.com/fxubdHRq
https://pastebin.com/Gkxwd3AP

- For bets on under 1550, the longest losing streak is 54, from roll number 42481 to roll number 42534.
- For bets on over 8449, the longest losing streak is 57, from roll number 5074 to roll number 5130.

Those numbers do not mean anything anymore since OP said he kept switching between under and over and we don’t know when he did that exactly.

However, the win rate can give us a good idea on how fair the game is.

Based on the results of the first 50k rolls:
- For bets on under 1500, the win rate is 15.282% (7641 wins)*
- For bets on over 8499, the win rate is 15.456% (7728 wins)

* I calculated the win rate for under 1500 while it should be under 1550. I'll fix it asap. Sorry!

Thank you again.

This does prove however that our game is provably fair, and even more that his session was fair.



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

I understand your frustration if you’ve dealt with false accusations in the past. However, I am here seeking answers and transparency about my specific case. I’m not here to make baseless claims but to address a serious concern regarding fairness. Instead of dismissing my issue by comparing it to past situations, I’d appreciate your focus on this case and its unique circumstances.

Additionally, you mentioned a loss of 0.38 BTC, whereas I have consistently stated it was 0.37 BTC, which suggests an attempt to alter the narrative.

Not mine but, your statements have changed multiple times throughout this discussion:

Initially, you claimed my account didn’t exist.

Once I proved it existed, you stated there was no data available to show the bets.

Thanks to Holydarkness, it was revealed that the data does exist, allowing the verification process to begin.

At this point, I must question how you are a representative of Duckdice if you lacked the knowledge that such data could be retrieved. This lack of awareness and your shifting statements make this appear unprofessional. Now, you are attempting to change my statements, further eroding trust in your responses.

On account deletion: While you claim the discussion is pointless, I disagree because your previous statements indicate that ""when a user requests us to delete all data associated with his account," If you are confident I requested this, I’ve repeatedly asked you to provide proof, such as an email or private message showing my consent to delete the account. Ignoring this point doesn't erase its significance, as all my evidence and the full betting history reside within the account.

Additionally, the results you provided for my bets do not indicate whether they were wins or losses; instead, they only display numbers, which could represent either outcome. This lack of clarity makes it difficult to verify the fairness of the results.

Edit: Dont Ignore this part again "I would like to ask the Duckdice.io representative how they ended up in a situation where a user found a bet that was clearly unfair, and Duckdice admitted to the unfairness of the bet and refunded the user. If they were able to recognize and accept unfairness in one case, it’s reasonable to believe that the same could be true for my case as well. This acknowledgment shows that it is possible for the system to manipulate or affect the results, and it raises concerns that it could be happening to me and potentially others as well."

https://imgur.com/a/OYcj7X9
https://prnt.sc/w5ws9b

The bet in that case was showing a result of a loss while it was actually a win.

Sure, I'll address this, while this was in 2019, from what I can tell from the backlogs, this issue was simply a visual bug, issues, but since boy911 was one of our VIP players, back then admins considered its better to actually give him a refund/bonus on the bet to keep him happy, instead of actually saying, sorry, there was nothing wrong with your bet.

Kind of funny that all the other blackmailers we've had so far, have proceeded to do the exact same thing as you're doing, use these screenshots out of context, to try to "further" their unfounded claim.



I've had the number on the top of my head, indeed I mentioned 0.38 instead of 0.37, again funny that this is your attempt to say I am altering the narrative.


That's exactly what it indicates, the number of wins on that certain percentage you were playing, vs the total number of losses.   The second you generated that seed to play on, all bets on it were already predetermined, it wouldn't matter when you decided to switch sides, change payout, results would have been the same ( though it simply doesn't matter, cause you literally ignored every fact proven here by myself or khaleed regarding this).


The focus has been on this case, there's no unique circumstance about it, you made a false claim, without any evidence to back it up, its been proven that it was in fact false.

And sadly while I can't prove it, we both know very well you're the same person as with the previous blackmail attempts we've had.




Now I'd like to ask upon bitcointalk to make a judgement on this case, as I think its been dragged on long enough,  OP initially claimed he had a 158 red streak on 15.5% chance, it was proven that this didn't happen,  after he switched his story that he manually changed his bets, while we can't verify this, we can however verify the fairness of the seed he was using, which was verified by khaleed0111.


Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

I'll focus on this part, as other parts already being handled in a far more capable manner by others, and you seemed to still find difficulties to grasp this point, of what happened when you ask for your account to be deleted.

Imagine a piece of paper, or a book, if you may, titled "horsbyname". In it, DuckDice wrote all of your information. Your name, DoB, address, other KYC related things, your deposit and withdrawal history, your betting log, your bonuses, your chat, your complaints, your email, every single thing tha happened to a "horsbyname" during his stay in DuckDice.

At the end of that book, there is an entry, a line: "burn this book".

So, the book burned.

All of the content of the book, all of those betting records and personal info, all of those chats and emails, including the very one that wrote "burn this book" are thrown into fire and extinguished.

That is the "right to be forgotten" of GDPR.

There were not a single entry of "horsbyname" in DuckDice following that request of removal. Not one. Nothing. Nada.

So, it's impossible to ask for them to provide that email because it's paradoxical, illogical, and moot.

If they can procure that email as a proof, it'll need them to still have your data, since it's never erased. But it's erased, so they don't have it. Not anymore. So they can't provide it.

If they can provide it, it means the data was not erased and their statement that your data is no longer exist is false, thus, a lie, and logically they will not say this as it'll be a reputation-suicide. Thus, even if they have it as you never asked for removal, they will not provide it.

The other way to disprove that, is for you to provide that proof, which another paradox by itself.

It's either you can not provide a proof that you asked for account removal because you never asked, thus there is nothing to provide to disprove, or you can provide it as you did asked for it, but it'll be a reputation-suicide from your side. Thus, logically, you'll deny that such email or chat exist and will inquire them to provide them as a way to prove themselves.

Paradoxical. Illogical. Moot.

Drop it.

A way out of this endless loop is to think a logic out of those illogical things.

They want to disprove your statement that you're on 158 losing streak. It'll be a piece of cake if they have your betting history. What benefit do they get from saying that your data has been wiped clean? When the key of their rebuttal is in that data itself?

The fact that they can't make a rebuttal of you having 158 losing streak because they can't look at it on your betting history in their database, would indicate that the history itself is, indeed, no longer exist.

Why is it no longer exist? Because it's removed.

Why is it removed? Because of the right to be forgotten.

Where's the proof of it? Nothing. Not from their side. It's being forgotten. Burned.

It's a really simple situation that I am sure everybody reading this case can easily understand. I hope you can understand the situation that applied now too.

Your explanation raises more questions than it resolves. If it was truly just a 'visual bug,' why would Duckdice choose to refund the user instead of clarifying the situation transparently? Refunding without addressing the root cause suggests an attempt to avoid scrutiny rather than fixing the issue, And if errors have occurred before, how can we ensure they haven’t occurred again, especially in my case?

It’s normal for players and the community to raise concerns when a platform's history includes such incidents. Addressing these doubts with clear, verifiable facts instead of dismissing them as 'blackmail' or 'unfounded claims' would be a better way to rebuild trust.
If there’s nothing wrong with your system, a clear and honest approach would help put everyone’s concerns to rest instead of dismissing them as baseless.

Also, calling my concerns 'blackmail' is unwarranted. I am merely highlighting a historical instance where a user caught a discrepancy—whether visual or otherwise—and was compensated for it. This proves that errors can and have occurred on your platform. My case isn’t unfounded; it’s based on genuine doubt and past incidents.

Your baseless accusation that I’m the same person behind previous blackmail attempts is completely uncalled for and unprofessional. If you cannot prove it, why even make such an inflammatory statement? This tactic of deflecting legitimate concerns by resorting to unsubstantiated claims against users only undermines your credibility further."

Edit: Holydarkness : You gave an example of a "burned paper," but that analogy doesn't even match the situation. Duckdice has repeatedly changed its story.
 
But if you take a look at the screenshot : https://imgur.com/a/ivzSNe8 , it clearly contradicts your current comment. In that screenshot, the Duckdice.io representative stated that they received a response from their team confirming that my account was deleted upon my request. Earlier, you mentioned that there is no data showing my request for account deletion. So, how is it possible that the Duckdice representative claimed they received a response from their team confirming that my account was deleted upon my request? This seems contradictory.


To the point, If Duckdice.io truly deleted everything, there wouldn’t be any data to check.

I think I've mentioned it on a very earlier discussion we had. Something like kirito can't find your username on their database, thus inquiring you for a proof that you indeed had an account [that request of email showing username] and upon provided, he gave it to the team who handled database and they told him "if the player had an account and now no longer exist in database and can't be found, then they've must be asking for account deletion" or something like that. That's the imaginary scenario I had in mind, of course.

Alternatively, I probably stand corrected. there was an entry, a simple entry that they need to keep in order to be compliant to certain regulation, yet still stick with GDPR's data protection, something like a short line "sezmisenk41 - account removal requested" that's inaccessible by a simple search from whicever division kirito is working and only accessible to the division who confirmed to him. Once he inquired that the username was indeed a DuckDice player at a point [with your screenshot as proof], the department look into their database and pull that restricted record.

I personally lean toward the ealier narrative than the latter, it seems more logical.

If you insist though, as I mentioned before, the only way to get out of this paradox and make sense of it is to provide a logic out of those illogical things. So, if you don't mind, perhaps you can help us understand by explaining why do you think [according to your logic] they lied about account removal and database erasure while the very existence of the database actually works in their favor?

Honestly you are currently wasting your breath, we're currently dealing with him in our emails, where he's trying to get a bonus, to delete these bitcointalk threads he started, aswell as other ones from before ( the ones where he's coming up with screenshots), as well as the fake trust pilot reviews,  he went from asking for a 0.01 btc bonus, to 0.008, to 0.006.   There's actually no point in trying to address things with him anymore, as mostly this is what he wants, to make some noise so he can "leverage" it against some ransome money.



Kirito89,

Duckdice Support.

Why do I think they lied about account removal and database erasure? Simply because their inconsistent statements suggest it. Initially, they said my account didn’t exist. Once I provided evidence proving it did, they claimed it was erased due to GDPR compliance. However, they continue to make assertions about what happened with my account and bets, which would require data they supposedly don't want to share.

Also I am sure they are lyng as, If the full data were to come out showing which bets were wins and which were losses, it would clearly reveal the actual results of my bets and might expose yet another instance of unfairness. As of now, you can't definitively say there were 48 losses or 57 losses in a row because the outcome of each bet is not visible. Without knowing the outcome-whether a bet was a win or a loss. Th lack of transparency makes it impossible to trust their narrative and only adds to the suspicion.

That could just as easily be 20 wins or 30 wins in a row, as we still don’t know the actual outcome of those bets. Without seeing the results clearly, it’s impossible to make an accurate judgment. The lack of transparency only fuels the doubt that something might be hidden.

If the existence of the database worked in their favor, as you suggest, then why not use it transparently to refute my claims once and for all? Instead, they rely on vague statements, contradictions, and the assumption that I asked for deletion without providing concrete proof. This behavior only fuels doubts about their integrity.

It will always be a doubt in my mind_no, not just a doubt; I am sure that I have been scammed by Duckdice. I’ve seen with my own eyes their ability to change bet results from a win to a loss. The proof of this exists, yet it seems like Holydarkness and other users either don’t want to read it or perhaps just can’t see it.

What’s even more concerning is that Duckdice.io’s own admin accepted that a bet result was manipulated. They apologized to the user, refunded the manipulated bet, and even called the user a VIP afterward. This clearly shows that they are capable of such actions. Once this has been admitted and proven, how can anyone deny the possibility that it’s happening to others as well, including me?

Imagine if I had even a single win during that alleged 158 losing streak - just one win- I would have reset my betting amount instead of continuing to bet in the hope of recovering my losses.

What if they manipulated my bets?. The way they keep hiding things, changing their statements, and avoding direct answers increases my doubts more and more. Instead of being transparent, their actions make me question the fairness of the entire system even further.

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Stop making baseless accusations. I have already made it clear that I do not want you to pay anyone a single penny, and I stand by that.
This kind of response only further damages Duckdice's reputation, as it shows the unprofessionalism of its representatives. To clear everything up, I will share the email conversation between your team and me, so everyone can see the truth for themselves.Here's the link:  https://imgur.com/a/ZbWExwU

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

Its not baseless and you know that aswell :).

Also confused on the email correspondence and what you're trying to prove, I simply reply to you there that I'm answering inquiries here so that its public.

Here's a tip for you OP, next time when you use different emails to send blackmail requests ( I assume you thought you'd use a different email to keep your "image" clean so you can go on this bitcointalk tirade), make sure you create a completely different email.   Cause if the blackmailer was a completely different, I'm pretty sure he would have no way of knowing your email address.

To give context to bitcointalk, the moment OP started this bitcointalk thread,  we've been getting bombarded on Trustpilot with fake reviews, and blackmail demands,  in context,  OPs email lets say is something like johndoe@gmail.com,  blackmailler's email address is johndoee@gmail.com, while OP initially stated its just a coincidence, its really one hell of a coincidence for the blackmailer to also know OPs email address :).  

Like I've said OP, regardless of anything, you will not be getting a single $.   Your provably fairness accusation has been disproved, regardless of how much you spam to cover the thread up.



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Let me clarify what I want to prove: I want to show that I never sent you an email demanding money. The email I sent is public and available for everyone to see. There is no discussion about BTC or money in it. Here https://imgur.com/a/ZbWExwU

Don’t get confused, and don’t try to confuse others. In your reply, you claimed to have received emails from me asking for money. To prove you wrong, I posted a screenshot showing exactly what I emailed you about and how you twisted it to fit your narrative. It seems you forget things quickly, which is why you’re getting confused now.

It’s clear you’re grasping at straws. Only a mindless scammer would create an email with the same name as mine to get something from you.
 I’ve already stated very clearly before: I never demanded money. What I have always asked for is fairness—something you’ve repeatedly avoided while coming back here with irrelevant claims that make no sense.

Even a kid could understand that using the same username for two accounts would never work in anyone’s favor at the same time. Your accusations are baseless and a poor attempt to shift attention away from the actual issues. Focus on addressing the real problems instead of spinning these pointless stories.

Ok, though I'll probably come back somewhere in the far or near future, to ask for confirmation to mark this case as resolved, I think this will be my parting words, as we went on and on and on the endless circles. I have covered that part too and I somewhat believe you've read them, why you re-raise that point here... well, circles.

Anyway, as everything seems to be moot at this point, [at least I can't see anything that I can do further] I'll take a spectator seat, with my explanation about how the inconsistencies is actually a consistency and add weight to their narrative, something that [again] I've covered in the past as well as the very post you quoted.

They [well, he] look into your account in their database. He can't find it, hence the said that it didn't exist and asked you to prove that it actually existed. With the proof you have, he reached to their compliance department, or whichever department who handle database more comrehensively, probably complaining to them why the search won't bring result but there is a proof of that account being existed, and they explained that if an account existed at some point [and proven to be exist], but was not searchable on their database, then the most likely scenario is that it's completely removed due to that "right to be forgotten" kicked in.

Again, it's not that hard to understand, a short time mulling over this possibility would enough, something that I believe spectating overseers of this case have mulled over too. If you still can't accept that, well... then I don't think any further thing I say to help you gain other perspective will help.

With that, I am taking my spectator seat.

Hey holydarkness,  I'd like to address the "account deletion" part one more time for bitcointalk, cause OP is simply avoiding any rational conversation, due to his attempt of getting some money out of us.


So, an user, if they'd like to stop gambling on duckdice, they have 3 option, either a self-exclusion, that is like a temporarly ban, a self-ban which means his account is permanently banned, or a removal of GDRP consent, which basically means removing all data, email, ips, crypto transactions related to an account, as per legislations that we need to follow.
In OPs case, a removal of GDPR consent was the requirement by him, which means basically we erase all data linking him to an duckdice account.


At a certain point during this thread, OP showed a screenshot, showing an username( that's not in Duckdice's database anymore) with a bet, which means, server seed, client seed, nounce.  While we can't link this certain server seed to an account, the seed still exists in our database, basically it means its a seed that was used at some point by any random player to gamble, in this case OP confirmed it was his.  Using this seed we were able to verify the provably fairness of it, basically dismissing his false claim of "unreal streak that I came upon, losing a lot of btc, but I'm reporting it 1 year later".


Now on the blackmailing part. We've actually been dealing with this type of person or same person for that matter for years now on bitcointalk, Duckdice's biggest mistake was that a few years ago, they've decided its best to give him a low bonus and not having to deal with the constant negative spam he was doing on bitcointalk and trustpilot ( If anyone will check, my responses now are similar with the cases we had in the past, with a certain type of accusations). Thus this user is coming back mostly every year, trying to get something more out of Duckdice.

While OP claims this is random, and just a coincidence that someone is blackmail-ing us at the same time he started his bitcointalk campaign ( 1 year after the so called incident happened), he made 2 mistakes.  1.  creating an email address for the blackmail emails that's literally the same as OP's email address ( there's 1 extra letter, and OP's email address is unique), the blackmailer in question would have no way of knowing what OP's email address is, so I suppose the blackmailer which is a different person than OP as he claims, somehow guessed OP's unique email address, and 2.  The blackmailer actually states in his emails that he will remove all bitcointalk threads except! this one and the other OP has made.  I assume if a impersonator would try and take advantage of OPs threads, he'd claim he'd delete these threads if he got the money, but in this case, the blackmailer is claiming he'll delete some of the 1-2-3 year old fake scam accusation threads that are already closed.


Now as OP will likely ignore this, and go sideways trying to push his narrative, for refference OP stated I'm trying to mislead people for claiming he lost 0.38 BTC instead of 0.37 BTC, I'll aswell stop responding to this thread, unless there's something actually relevant added to it.

Thank you for your objective support on this matter holydarkness and khaleed.



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Your claims are becoming increasingly inconsistent and contradictory. Let’s clear up a few things:

Contradiction in Your Statements:
Initially, you claimed that the blackmail email came from an address identical to mine. Now, you’re saying it’s "the same email but with a few changes." Which is it? Changing your narrative like this only highlights your lack of credibility.

Timeline of Events:
I made my post here on November 29. According to the screenshot you provided earlier, the first blackmail email you received was on December 7. This clearly indicates that someone saw my post, created an email similar to my user name 'as shown on your Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/OKAlIXC and tried to scam you. I immediately clarified when you posted the screenshot, stating not to pay anyone and that I was not behind those emails.

Confirmation from HolyDarkness:
I’ve already posted a screenshot where [b[HolyDarkness also confirmed that the scammer’s claims were invalid. Yet, despite this, you continue to accuse me baselessly, ignoring both my clarification and the acknowledgment from an impartial observer.  https://imgur.com/a/Ir5qqAu [/b]

Your History of Paying Blackmailers:
I’m wondering why DuckDice.io is paying supposed blackmailers even when you claim to know they are blackmailers. For example, you admitted paying someone who claimed their bet was unfair, even though you said you believed it was fair. Doesn’t this seem suspicious? It looks like you paid them to prevent exposure of something more damaging. However, even after you paid, the unfairness of your practices eventually came to light. You can’t hide the truth forever.

Invest in Fairness Instead:
Instead of paying blackmailers to cover up your flaws, I recommend you focus on being fair. Use that money to address system failures and ensure transparency in your operations. This would not only improve your reputation but also prevent legitimate users from questioning your practices.

Deflecting from the Core Issue:
It’s evident that you’re using this fabricated blackmail narrative to divert attention from the real issue—my concerns about unfair betting outcomes and your refusal to provide transparent data. This is a blatant attempt to tarnish my credibility and distract readers from DuckDice.io’s questionable practices.

I've never claimed that it came from an identical email address as yours, which can be clearly seen from my chat history here, I was however pretty sure the blackmailer is you. Which turned out to be correct.   


The timeline actually matches the way you used to try this type of scam in the past, create a fake story on bitcointalk, get traction, put up a few false 1 star reviews on trustpilot get traction, then proceed with the blackmail attempts a few days, week later so you can "show" the effect your campaign has.

Someone didn't create an email similar to your username, someone matched your exact email address, which is part your username and part completely different, so here is the part where you slipped up. And the 2nd part I already addressed in my previous post.




Holydarkness simply gave an objection opinion where he said the blackmailer might be someone else as he's treated this entire thread as an impartial 3d party, as he should.


You should know this story quite well, cause the original owner of that account never actually made a thread on bitcointalk about it, the story should be here as I've posted it in the past year, aswell as a confirmation from the original owner.
 
Our provably fair system works just fine, as its been for the last 8 years we've been opperating, as it was proven in your case aswell, by a 3d party from this forum.  But you ignore these parts, due to trying to make more "noise" and bury the relevant info.


There is no fabricated blackmail narrative, the only fabrication here is your thread. I've shared a screenshot with the initial contact from our blackmailer, YOU!  We have provided transparent data, analyzed by khaleed and holydarkness, which you have refuted.   The point of the matter is, you're simply looking for a hand-out, and believe that the more noise you make with your fake allegations, that somehow we'll crack under pressure and pay you anything.   And I'm here to say one more time you will not be receiving a single dime from Duckdice.



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

You’re accusing me without concrete proof, relying solely on your assumptions.


I have already publicly stated—and even provided screenshots—showing that I never sent any emails demanding money from you. In fact, I explicitly told you not to pay anyone claiming to be me.
After hearing that you paid to blackmailers, It’s becoming increasingly suspicious how, whenever someone raises legitimate concerns about Duckdice.io on public platforms, you mysteriously receive emails claiming to be from that person in an attempt to blackmail you.

Is it truly a coincidence that these emails always seem to appear conveniently after someone publicly calls you out? This raises serious questions about your narrative and whether these “blackmail attempts” are being fabricated or manipulated as a tactic to discredit anyone who challenges your platform.

If I may - When exactly did you last pay a blackmailer, and what was the specific issue they were using to blackmail you? What made you so afraid that you decided to pay them despite claiming their accusations were baseless?

I’ve repeatedly asked you to provide proof that I sent those blackmail emails, but you’ve failed to provide any evidence whatsoever. Instead, you come up with a different story every time, completely ignoring my questions related to the case.

Even User Khaleed has stated that the outcomes he provided are useless since they don’t indicate which bets were winning and don’t clarify key details such as whether I was playing on the high or low side. This lack of essential information renders the so-called “bet history” you provided entirely meaningless for verifying fairness. Instead of reading his statement fairly and addressing the core issue, you cherry-picked his words to twist them in your favor.



Avoiding the Core Issue: Fairness
Your entire strategy seems to revolve around discrediting me personally while avoiding the original point of this thread: the fairness of your platform.
•   I suffered an unprecedented 158-loss streak with a 15.5% win probability, which is statistically improbable.
•   You stated that you have provided bet history related to my account. However, you know very well that the bet history you provided is useless:
•   It does not indicate whether each bet was a winning or losing bet, making it impossible to verify the fairness of the streak I experienced.
•   Without this crucial detail, your so-called "evidence" is meaningless and does nothing to prove your claims about the fairness of the bets.

Regarding your claims about the so-called “blackmailer” emails, let me clarify something you keep twisting: I never stated it was a coincidence that you received emails from scammers with an email address similar to mine. What I said was that the scammer used my username, as clearly shown in the screenshot of the email you posted earlier. It’s you who keeps changing the narrative to suit your claims. You seem to conveniently ignore this distinction to push your baseless accusations against me.

Its tyring going in circles with you daily. but to clarify: you did not get a 158 streak with a 15.5% win chance, the fairness of the seed you gambled on has been independently verified by khaleed.

And 2.  Do I have permission to publicly show the email address you've been in contact with us? that way I can show the blackmailer's email address, and let bitcointalk give their oppinion on it :).


Kirito89,

Duckdice Support.

I want to point out that it’s not a circle – you’ve simply ignored many important questions I’ve raised here. Instead of providing answers, you’ve deflected, misrepresented facts, and focused on irrelevant points.


1. You claim that the fairness of the seed I gambled on has been independently verified by Khaleed. However, I’m still waiting for concrete proof that this verification was conducted transparently and thoroughly. The so-called verification you’re referring to doesn’t even show a winning or losing bet. It just shows a number that could be either a win or a loss, without any clear indication of the actual outcome. As Khaleed himself mentioned, this data is useless because it doesn’t prove anything about the actual bets or outcomes. Yet, you’ve taken his statement out of context and twisted it in your favor to suit your narrative.

Regarding your request to publicly disclose the email address I’ve been in contact with you on – let me be clear: I have NEVER engaged in any form of blackmail. Your attempts to tarnish my reputation with these false claims are uncalled for.

It’s clear that you’re more focused on deflecting and trying to shift the narrative rather than addressing the actual issues at hand. This matter will now be pursued through legal means, and we’ll see where that leads.

Edit : Since you ignored earlier:

Is it truly a coincidence that these emails always seem to appear conveniently after someone publicly calls you out? This raises serious questions about your narrative and whether these “blackmail attempts” are being fabricated or manipulated as a tactic to discredit anyone who challenges your platform.

If I may - When exactly did you last pay a blackmailer, and what was the specific issue they were using to blackmail you? What made you so afraid that you decided to pay them despite claiming their accusations were baseless?

It seems you’ve made yet another baseless accusation, claiming that I said it’s a coincidence the blackmailer’s email is similar to mine. Let me ask you directly: where did I ever say that? If you cannot provide proof of this statement, I expect a public apology for the damage you’re doing to my reputation in this thread.

To refresh your memory, I’ve already shared a screenshot link where you made this claim. Here’s the link again for everyone’s reference: https://imgur.com/a/QySz8vs

Additionally, I want the Bitcointalk community to witness what Duckdice representatives are doing in public forums—constantly shifting narratives, twisting facts, and making baseless accusations. If this is how they handle public discussions, it makes me wonder: what are they doing in private messages with users? How far does this behavior go when there’s no public scrutiny?

You asked for permission to publicly share the email address I used to contact your team. I’ve already posted a screenshot of the email correspondence, including the details of my communication and the purpose of contacting your team. You can view the screenshot here: https://imgur.com/a/tvK4qIA

To clarify, you have my full permission to share both the email addresses and the conversations publicly. I believe this transparency will help ensure clarity and allow everyone to evaluate the situation fairly.

Please ensure that your actions and statements remain factual and professional. I am open to further discussion if necessary.

And this is the case-on-point of why we don't have two simultaneous threads discussing one issue, because the narrative and information provided in one thread can differ very significantly from the other thread.

As kirito89 already answered (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5523133.msg64907045#msg64907045) on your other thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5523133.0), he's currently in two days vacation and he'll provide that evidence once he returned to the office. Probably later today or perhaps tomorrow.

I would appreciate a little patience from you until he is done with his [rightful] holiday break and return to the office.

As for your permission to publish it here instead of the previous arrangement [with several conditions] to send it to me through PM, kindly inform me which path you choose to take, and I'll promptly inform Kirito before he can DM me [or publish it publicly, as the current term from you is a bit ambiguous] to do as you wish.

I understand your concern about having multiple threads discussing the same issue. However, this post was made in direct response to the Duckdice representative's. As he asked for permission to share the email addresses and associated conversations. Since he specifically stated twice that he would proceed only if I allowed him, I felt it necessary to post my response on the main thread to ensure clarity and visibility.

I completely understand and have no issue with Kirito89's "rightful holidays." My intention was not to rush him or disregard his personal time.

Regarding your question about my permission, I have already clarified in my response to Kirito89 that I grant permission to publish the emails and related conversations publicly.

Since I have already shared the relevant information publicly, it’s no longer an issue if Kirito89 decides to DM that information to you or anyone else. Transparency is my priority in this matter, and I hope this clears up any ambiguity.

Kirito89, kindly disregard our previous conversation on OP's other thread [quoted below as reference]. OP has relieved me from the burden of finding a way around of verifying and providing the proof of email similarities, and DuckDice has got OP's permission to publish that finding publicly.

I think this thread will fits better as it has OP's written consent here.

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@Holydarkness It seems the two-day holiday mentioned by the Duckdce representative on 01/01/2025 is now over, as today is 06/01/2025. However, there’s still no response or evidence provided.

Just wanted to keep you informed about the continued delay.

Yeah, I noticed that, also noticed that he's not back online since January 1. Let me try to nudge him, perhaps it's something as simple as he's still busy with the workload that was put on pause during his leave and was not able to return to the forum yet.

Please be a little bit patient, I'll reach him now.

There’s still no response from him. I’m wondering what kind of workload could prevent him from addressing this, as this issue seems to fall under their responsibilities as well.

Once this matter is resolved, I’d like to shift focus back to the main issue, which is far more important and needs attention.

Hi, sorry, I was just able to get to the forum.

Regarding the silence, I've had a talk with him earlier, summarized, it's just a small technical issue that hopefully he'll be able to sort out soon. If I may throw a guess, I think it's the old-school situation of casinos respecting and keeping their customer's privacy close to their heart that even with the customer's consent, they can't share sensitive data publicly.

I believe Kirito is trying to get this sorted out.

Though I have to agree that, IMO, this topic is a bit irrelevant, I can't help myself to be a bit curious, so I finally decided to take a look at this review on TP myself, just to satisfy my curiosity and, to my surprise, I actually can't find it. Where was your review, again? Was it removed? Why?

How did this suddenly become a "technical issue"? Initially, Kirito was ready to post the information but stated that he was waiting for my permission. Now, after I’ve publicly given my consent and even posted my email address myself, how is privacy still a concern? Don’t you think my privacy is already revealed?

Additionally, why was Kirito trying to frame this as if I were blackmailing them? And over 0.01 BTC? That’s absurd. It’s frustrating to see these attempts to divert the focus rather than addressing the questions directly.

Regarding my Trustpilot review, it was removed because I provided proof that was older than one year, which goes against TP policies. That’s the sole reason it was taken down. I’m not sure why this makes you suspicious, but I’d appreciate it if you could come straight to the point. What exactly are you trying to imply?

Here’s the link to my review that was removed by TP https://imgur.com/a/cVtHQza

Let’s focus on the main issue regarding the bet results, as the core aim of my post has been diverted multiple times to unrelated topics. For instance, Kirito's claim that they receive similar emails and posts every year or so and pay to avoid exposure has not been addressed properly. He hasn’t explained why they pay or what the blackmailer threatened to expose that prompted such payments.

Moreover, he called me a scammer and tried to divert the matter, framing it as if I was sending them emails and demanding money without any proof. This constant diversion from the primary issue only delays resolution and adds unnecessary confusion. Let’s stick to addressing the actual issue at hand.

Kirito89: Since you ignored earlier:

Is it truly a coincidence that these emails always seem to appear conveniently after someone publicly calls you out? This raises serious questions about your narrative and whether these “blackmail attempts” are being fabricated or manipulated as a tactic to discredit anyone who challenges your platform.

If I may - When exactly did you last pay a blackmailer, and what was the specific issue they were using to blackmail you? What made you so afraid that you decided to pay them despite claiming their accusations were baseless?

I can get to a length and wall of texts explaining the "technical" itself, really, as it involves a lot of factors. But, simplified, I want you to rest assured that I am actively in touch with Kirito, even now, to get this thing in motion.

One thing that keep on stealing my focus, though, do I somehow miss the part where you posted your email address yourself? Because I think I've read through this thread very carefully and followed every posts and links, but I don't think I've actually seen your email address being divulged?

I’d like to ask: why did Kirito choose to address you in private when this is a public matter? Wasn't  he asking me to give him permission to post it publicly? I’ve been sharing everything openly, so it would only be fair for their responses to be transparent as well.

To resolve this issue, I believe Duckdice should publicly apologize here for falsely accusing me and leave a neutral post on my profile acknowledging their mistake. Once that’s done, we can move forward and focus on the main issue that I’ve been consistently raising: the accurate and fair resolution of my bet results.

I want to emphasize that I have no personal grievances against Duckdce. My sole concern is ensuring clarity and fairness in the results of my bets. However, given their history of accusing users and manipulating bets in the past—and the fact that they have accused me as well—I’m finding it hard to trust their legitimacy.

Regarding your question, I have indeed posted my email address earlier in this thread . To clarify, here’s the screenshot showing my email address: https://imgur.com/a/tvK4qIA

For that exact reason in your own sentence: private matter.

I can assure you that he did not divulge anything private or violate your privacy at any degree during our conversation, but for the same reason, the topic can not be discussed in public... well, it can, technically, but it will be outright back-and-forth plain, that'll take probably days as it happened on post-by-post mode instead of a direct chat and most importantly, boring.


Will skip this as this is none of my business, I don't need this headache, and fully at theirs and your hand.


Ahh yes, my apology. I remember now that saw it somewhere sometime ago. It slipped my mind. Noted.

When Kirito89 was asking me repeatedly to give him permission to post those emails and conversations publicly, why didn’t anyone stop him or point out that such information shouldn’t be requested publicly? Why didn’t anyone remind him that this kind of data shouldn’t be shared so casually?

I had initially refused because I knew the risks involved, but it felt like if I didn’t comply, people__perhaps even you_might be the first to consider me a cheater, blackmailer, or accuser.

You do realize he asked for this permission more than four times, don’t you? Yet I don’t think you’ve reviewed those exchanges thoroughly.

That said, I’ll ask you directly, Holydarkness: Do you personally believe his accusation that I blackmailed them is true? If you believe his claim is true, I would respect your decision to oppose my flag against Duckdice. But if you believe his accusation is false, Support my flag against them until they address and clear everything publicly.

Umm... actually, I can't find the other instances where he asked permission to publish the data, other than on #94 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5521053.msg64893651#msg64893651). Unless I am wrong? Do you mind to point us out to the other --at least-- three other instances?


Given that question directly entailed by a term, where if I believe his accusation is true then I have to oppose the flag and if I believe it's wrong then I have to support the flag, I will refrain from giving my opinion for the time being, thank you.

Your flag is based on the whole issues as depicted on your thread, and to support the flag I'll have to affirm to the best of my knowledge that what transpired is true, while what transpired and the reason of the flag is not just about the multi-acc. Or... is it?

So, without further context to validate/invalidate that part of the situation, I don't think I can pull a definitive answer.

Anyway, I realized we had an unfinished discussion about your review that got deleted, I understand correctly that it's against TP's policy to post a review about an experience that happened more than a year ago? Granted, I can find a mention that they prefer a fresh review that is not older than 12 months, but not about they'll delete it as it's against their policy.

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/01/15/OxJ7I.jpeg

Just to keep us assured, did they send you an email about the removal and explained to you that it got deleted due to the reason you specified to us?

When Kirito89 was asking me repeatedly to give him permission to post those emails and conversations publicly, why didn’t anyone stop him or point out that such information shouldn’t be requested publicly? Why didn’t anyone remind him that this kind of data shouldn’t be shared so casually? I’m sure you’ve read this part as well, and I’d like to hear your thoughts on it.

Was Kirito89 not that professional, or was he unaware of his site’s terms, What should we call this? Was he trying to silence me? oR was he attempting to publicly label me a scammer by asking me to give him permission so that he could post the emails he claimed to have received from a blackmailer? I don't believe they actually received any emails from scammers; it could be them creating this drama to discredit my thread against them.

You mentioned that you couldn't find instances where Kirito89 asked for permission to publish the data aside from one. Here are the screenshots again for your reference: https://imgur.com/a/6yTLgbm https://imgur.com/a/17vZu5H  https://imgur.com/a/SZHEeZK 

If you take the time to read through his responses thoroughly, you’ll notice how many times he has changed his narrative throughout this issue. But honestly, I don’t expect you to point out any of his inconsistencies or mistakes.

Meanwhile, you’ve never asked Duckdice.io representatve  to prove their accusations or claims against me. Why is that? Like this one: https://imgur.com/a/pCGawpm

Have you ever asked Kirito89 to prove his claim that I said it’s a coincidence that the blackmailer’s email and mine are similar but different by one letter?

Did you also read where Kirito89 claimed that he found out from his support team that my account was deleted by me? Link: https://imgur.com/a/zBKH7c7

While in another instance, he stated: “We don’t actually delete accounts until it’s user-requested.” Link: https://imgur.com/a/Uj6F1nl

This clearly indicates that a user can’t delete their account independently—it has to be done by support. Doesn’t this contradiction point to another one of his inconsistencies?


Let’s not forget, it was Kirito89 who initially accused me and then shifted the narrative multiple times to align with his convenience. Isn’t it worth questioning?

Okay, that's two instances, with the one I previously mentioned that I was aware of, on #94, and the other that I early on missed, on #30, which after re-reading it, I got the impression that he's aiming to get it reviewed by limited eyes instead of publicly, as that probably quite doable with several red tapes cleared, which later escalated to be a permission to have it done publicly on #94, probably under the heated argument, and this is where [I imagined, not necessarily have to be the real scenario here] that he was told by his colleague and/or when he asked his supervisor for the permission he was informed that the red tape has become red solid bars of steel.



What I expect you to honestly not expecting from me is to point out the explanations I've give numerous times about how DuckDice's explanation never changed. Like... really, I've write high and long and tall and deep. I am not interested to write another essay. Remember "paradoxical" and "moot"? This is the textbook instance why having multi-acc about one case is not encouraged, because it make things very hard to follow... or, in your case, to back-track. And now you have three.

Before you weaponize my words of "not interested" into something ugly and/or against me, I'll clarify, I really am not interested to dig through your threads just to link you my explanation because I have done it, you can dig it yourself, and I have lot of other things to attend, I am not just overseeing your case, I simultaneously oversee perhaps half a dozen cases at a time, maybe more.

I believe you can clearly understand that it'll be exhausting and time consuming if I have to re-read all of your threads just to link you to what I've said and what I strongly believe you've read.


Isn't it the whole point of this past few discussion [that actually, IMO, have moved far too south from the original point of the thread that you proposed at the beginning of it; proof the fairness of their game]? Red tape? Red bar of steel? Privacy?

May I ask what you're really trying to achieve here by asking that question while we all know we're here in this very point where we currently stand because of exactly that?


Again, already explained and I expect you not to expect me to point out to those explanation.

The screenshot itself is actually self-explaining. You revoked your customer agreement, thus initiate the "right to be forgotten" act of GDPR, which was coherent [and show consistency] with the next screenshot you provided: you self-deleted it by revoking your customer agreement.


Which narrative being shifted?

edit: Oh, almost forget, where were we with that review removal from TP? Did they send you an email explaining why it got deleted?

Hi there,

Sorry for my long period of absence on this thread, due to some personal matters that I had to deal with I've been kept away more than I would have liked.


Just to get back on narrative, cause to be fair the last posts by you OP seem confusing, do you now disagree against sharing the emails that show the connection between you and the blackmailer?

For full transparency,  the email connection I've had linking OP was due to the trustpilot review he has posted, the one he confirmed in this thread as being his aswell, where we can request further information and are able to see more info provided by OP, including email address he used to provide that review.  In the meantime ( and likely due to my big mouth as I've stated I can link him due to the emails) his trustpilot review dissapeared, making the information unavailable.   I've currently contactd trustpilot in the hopes they restore the provided information.   But in the meantime OP, can you provide a confirmation email from trustpilot that they have removed the review? ( they send an email notification if one of your reviews gets taken down) And that it wasn't you who deleted it :) ?



Kirito89,

Duckdice Support.

You repeatedly asked for my permission to post the emails and conversations publicly to prove your claims. Despite my initial hesitations (due to concerns about privacy and your intentions, I eventually gave you explicit permission to share them publicly. Instead of acting on this, you disappeared from the forum without providing any of the evidence you claimed to have.

Now, you’re returning to ask whether I’m disagreeing with sharing these emails. This is extremely confusing because I had already granted you the permission you sought. Why didn’t you act on it back then?

Earlier in this thread, you stated that you received emails from a blackmailer asking for a ransom, and you claimed these emails were sent from an address identical to mine but differing by one letter. You said you were about to post this evidence publicly after receiving my permission.

Now, however, you’re changing your narrative, claiming that the alleged connection is based on the email address I used for my trustpilot review. Why the sudden shift in your story? If the earlier claims about receiving emails from a blackmailer were true, why are you now attributing this connection solely to a tRustpilot review? Was the blackmailer story fabricated, or are you deliberately shifting the narrative to avoid accountability?

You’re asking me to provide confirmation from trustpilot regarding the review’s removal. I will, but why should the burden of proofs fall on me? Duckdice.io yOU (Kirito89) made the accusations and claimed to have evidence. It’s your responsibility to provide the proof, not mine.

If you genuinely had evidence, why didn’t you secure it back when you first made your accusations? Blaming the removal of the review on your "big mouth" feels like an excuse to cover up the lack of actual proof.

Furthermore, you know exactly what I wrote in that review because you had responded to it. So, why are you now asking me for confirmation from Trustpilot? You were fully aware of the content and context of my review before it disappeared.

Let me be very clear: I did not delete my review. It was removed by Trustpilot.

I think it's a rather mess if I quote the post above in full, so I'll just reply without quoting in specific.

If I may provide from my POV, given I asked similar things as Kirito89, about the nature of your TP review removal, I simply find myself a bit curious and think it's strangely coincidental that the review was being deleted not long after you gave your consent [I am not sure which come first, the consent or the deletion].

I believe, if you see it from neutral ground, and allow yourself to mull over several sides simultaneously, you too will probably find yourself wondering why and how does the review got removed in a relatively close time with when the player that's being accused of blackmailing with a connection to similar email address on the review platform gave their consent for their email address being shown to public.

The fact that the other review that allegedly from the same player [you] also no longer available is certainly, understandably, heighten the degree of the curiosity the observer have in their mind.

In short and straightforward answer: there is a chance that the consent was given after the review got deleted by the player themselves to remove the evidence that's about to be given by the counterparty. Thus, the consent was given, because they've eliminate it and there is nothing that can incriminate them anymore.

Though I am certain, if we lean to your side here, that you can't provide the proof of why the other reviews made by other players [that's allegedly your alt] got removed, what you can easily do to disprove the doubt is to provide the email from TP explaining the review removal to you.

Now, regarding your rebuttal that it's Kirito's burden to show the proof of similarities, that he should provide the evidence and he should have it in screenshots, though I am not sure with how strict GDPR works, I believe this is what he tried to achieve: your consent before he can take the screenshot, in order not to violate any article of GDPR [if any] that describes the data controller are not allowed to keep any form of record of the data subject provided in other platform aside from the one owned by the data controller. [Layman terms: Kirito was asking for your consent before he can take any screenshot of your review in TP, that is not owned and not under the same roof as DuckDice, so not to accidentally violate GDPR articles, in case there is a clause that cover what data DuckDice may collect from other platforms]

When the consent was given and he's ready to take the screenshots though, the said reviews were gone.

And again, we can easily disprove this scenario by providing that email from TrustPilot.

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Kirito89, may I know if you do have a screenshot of those reviews and/or the email address [with similarities] in your possession prior to them being deleted? And, by some miracle [which I understand if you don't] do you happen to remember which come first? The consent or the removal?

I’m not sure if you’ve read these screenshots thoroughly. I’d request you to post them as images so everyone can clearly see and read them. https://imgur.com/a/o4cjb4H  https://imgur.com/a/f1771CL   https://imgur.com/a/kR6Hh2F
 
Doesn’t it seem like he had already gathered proofs and was ready to post them? Or was he just trying to scare me into silence?

I’m honestly wondering how the narrative shifted so drastically—from Duckdice supposedly receiving blackmail emails from an address “similar to mine” to now centering the entire accusation on Trustpilot reviews.

First, it was claimed that the connection was based on emails sent by a blackmailer. Then, suddenly, it became about Trustpilot reviews and accounts. This kind of inconsistency makes it hard to take their accusations seriously. If they truly had proof, why hasn’t any of it been provided yet?

So, if you ask something from Kirito89 for proof and he somehow provides it” Yet, he hasn’t provided a single proof to support his claims”, that would be considered a “miracle.” But when it comes to me, I am expected to provide every possible piece of evidence to prove my innocence. Why is there such a stark difference in standards?

Also, if you check your PMs, you’ll find that I’ve already sent you a message where I explicitly gave my permission for Kirito89 to post the so-called evidence. There’s no miracle here—it seems like money is the real “miracle” in play.

Earlier, I posted a screenshot showing that my review was deleted by Trustpilot, not by me. Since it seems you may have overlooked it, here it is again for reference: https://imgur.com/a/cVtHQza

My conversation with Trustpilot explaining why my review was deleted: https://imgur.com/a/cMrwWYW
 https://imgur.com/a/ee1jqQ5
https://imgur.com/a/sxHWK7d
https://imgur.com/a/uBUpifi

Hi there,

An interesting fact, Trustpilot generally removes feedbacks on their own by filtering out for example, multiple feedbacks from different usernames, email adresses, originating from the same device/ip.

Another interesting fact would be that Trustpilot removed your review and additional information you provided there on the 2nd of january (the email connection I was reffering to) and you finally agreed to grant permission to disclose this on the 3d of january, after the review was deleted, even though I've asked for your permission to disclose it 7 days before that which you did not accept, quite a lot of interesting coincidences..

I'm currently still away due to personal matters, but will be back fully online on Monday.



Kirito89,

Duckdice Support.

Hi Kirito89,


It’s clear now that you’re completely lost in your own web of accusations and contradictions. Just admit it: you’re busted, and you have nothing left to support your baseless claims. Your attempts to shift the narrative and blame others are painfully obvious at this point.

You initially said the connection was based on blackmailer emails, then it shifted to Trustpilot reviews. Now, you’re trying to twist timelines and invent "interesting coincidences" to distract from the fact that you have no evidence to back your accusations.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of users who have publicly claimed that Trustpilot has deleted their reviews, even when those reviews were verified. This isn’t some groundbreaking “coincidence” you’ve uncovered—it’s a well-known issue with the platform.

You asked me in your previous reply to provide the email from Trustpilot confirming that my review was deleted by them and not by me. I’ve done that, yet now you’re conveniently closing your eyes to it. Why are you ignoring your own request for evidence now that it doesn’t align with your narrative?

For you ref I  you permission on January 1st, and this was even confirmed by user Holydarkness in the thread. Your claim about January 3rd is a complete fabrication.

At this point, I’ll let the other users, including Holydarkness, weigh in on your behavior and shifting stories. I’m curious to see what they’ll say about how you’ve handled this situation so far.

I’m still waiting for you to provide the proof you claimed to have. If you can’t, then it’s time to publicly apologize for your accusations.

Despite all this back and forth, you have still not provided a single piece of proof—literally zero evidence—to support your accusations against me. Nothing.

@HolyDarkness,

Have you seen DuckDice.io's rep's responses?

Would love to hear your thoughts.

My thought is to take this post below and write it on my calendar; to wait for him to settle with his personal matter and get both of his feet steady to return to work, and then we'll hear what he has to say, and proceed from there.

Hi there,

Sorry for my long absence period,  my confusion with the time period  1st vs 3d was that I re-checked this thread and you did infact confirm here on the 3d of january permission to share the email based on this thread history.

As for OP's case, he has recently forwarded us an email with his inquiry to an regulatory authority which I actually believe is the best option for us as we will no longer be bound by GDPR restraints, and they're more than qualified to handle a dispute.


I have contacted Trustpilot in hopes to resture OPs previous deleted trustpilot review, where he provided the aditional information, once and if they do, I'll come here with an update.



Have a nice day!


Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Glad you finally showed up. Your "confusion" between January 1st and 3rd isn’t just some small mistake-it's part of the same pattern where you keep changing the story to fit your narrative. I gave permission on December 31st to share the email with Holydarkness, and you even replied on January 1st saying you would. You gonna deny that now? Here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5523133.msg64906839#msg64906839

Also, what's with you suddenly contacting Trustpilot after I proved they deleted my review, not me? Funny how that works, right? And what happened to your whole "ransom emails" story? Just dropped that when it didn’t fit anymore? Weren’t you about to post it publically?

By the way, I contacted the regulatory authority on December 28, and you were CC’d. Here:  https://imgur.com/a/RPEel6w So why are you acting like it's some new thing now? Still need some time to come up with something else?

Still waiting for you to show any proof of your accusations. If you can’t, it is time to apology publically for accusing a customer instead of helping him to address the issue.

There is a lot you have to address now as you have lied and you are you are now completely lost in your own web of accusations. Just admit it.

Like I've previously said, I based my statement on the 22nd  due the this thread history and the time data you've posted on this thread :).



I've contacted Trustpilot long before you showed that Trustpilot deleted the review. (Still doesn't disproves my point that trustpilot automatically deletes reviews from multiple reviewers made from the same IP address, device etc! :).


I've been made aware of this email to the regulatory authority 4 days ago on the 24th, when you've forwarded another email to them that contained the previous ones aswell.



I fully stand by what I've stated!  But I'll refresh the information on your accusation:

1. You claim you lost 158 losses in a row for 0.37 BTC while chasing a 15.5% chance, this was disproved as soon as you shared a screenshot that displayed the bet id you were playing on.  (client seed, server seed, nounce) which we were able to verify the provably fairness of the seed.  Once the first 10000 rolls were verified, you imediatelly changed the story and said it happened somewhere around the 20-30000 bet mark,  when it was stated that its no problem and that we'll proceed to verify those bets aswell, you came up with the fact that you manually changed sides, so for you it didn't matter that the seed was provably fair verified, you changed your story once provably fairness became a verifiable option here.

2. You somewhat decided to come up with this accusation 1 year after the event happened!!, conveniently when your account was deleted.

3. While the trustpilot review being deleted, which provided a lot more information about it, I'm hopeful that there will be a way to get it restored with Trustpilot's help.  P.S- in the initial screenshot you posted of the trustpilot review your username there was horsebuoy,  in the recent screenshots you've shown now is senkbuoy, why is that?


4. I have never changed my story to fit "my narrative", I've claimed since the beginning that your  "unreal streak" never happened, proved it, but then you shifted the story on it. So yes, I'm 100% sure you're the same person behind the current blackmail attempts, as well as the same person we've been dealing with in the past here.



Kirito89,

Duckdice Support.

Let’s clear your timelines doubts

Here is Holydarkness Post


Since you got permission, why didn’t you send it to HolyDarkness instead of going on vacation?

Wasn’t it important to prove your claims after receiving consent to share those emails?

As a representative of Duckdice.io, you chose to leave it unresolved for seven days?

Was there any proof with you by January 1st that I am the blackmailer? If not, then HolyDarkness is lying. If yes, you can post it today as well.


Did you also read this where even user Khaleed has stated that the outcomes he provided are useless since they don’t indicate which bets were winning and don’t clarify key details such as whether I was playing on the high or low side. This lack of essential information renders the so-called “bet history” you provided entirely meaningless for verifying fairness. Instead of reading his statement fairly and addressing the core issue, you cherry-picked his words to twist them in your favor.

You keep whining about me reporting this after a year. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again-it doesn’t matter when I report it, fraud and unfair treatment are still fraud. It doesn’t make any difference wheter I raised it a year or a day later- you are supposed to provide the full result and transparency. You are not supposed to start blackmailing and accusing users.

1.1. Where I sated that its a "Coincidence that blackmailer and mine emails are same?"(Focus on narrative changes)
Let’s see what you posted (Focus on narrative changes)
(Focus on narrative changes) What was you demanding my permission for? was you trying to scare me?
2.
(Focus on narrative changes)

3.
(Focus on narrative changes)

4.
After taking a break on January 1st, the day you were granted permission to post evidence of the so-called blackmailer emails, you disappeared from the forum and reappeared on January 7th with a completly different story.

5.
6. While permission was publicly granted to him on January 1st.


I hope Holydarkness is watching this.

Yes, he is still watching the thread and has been spending about fifty minutes of his time trying to make sense of what he'll just ask below as he still failed to understand.

That said, if I may clear up several things:


My first reaction to this was, "what?" You're really demanding someone to address a matter during their day off?

Not trying to defend Kirito or DuckDice, but two things:

One, an employee is entitled to have their own time and spend it however they want on their holiday. It's their personal time, it's their rightful days-off. What's with this snowflake mentality of "I need to be served however and regardless the situation you're having"?

Two, though I am not 100% sure it applied to DuckDice, I think it is safe to assume the same situation apply: when an employee left their office, they leave their access to customer's personal data and everything related to it on their office PC, that they left out in the office. An IRL friend of mine works in this environment, where she'll need to access from her PC in her office to pull any data about her clients.

And as a side note, it is not for the benefit of the employee, that whole "leave your work at the office and spend your private time doing your personal stuff" thing. It's a company's way to protect their customer's data, to ensure that access are strictly confined and accessible only from the office. Thus, if we assume DuckDice apply the same policy, even if Kirito wanted to address your situation during his vacation, he has no access to it and had to return to his seat, in front of his work PC to gain access and provide those inquiries.

Why do he still able to respond to this forum, though? Well, most likely than not, as he's the handler of Kirito89 account, the forum's account are connected not only to his working station but also to his personal device [by his own preference, of course] so he can address forum-related matter promptly.

I hope this clear the matter above.


I... what?


This part, I agree. Reporting a fraud one year later or one second after it happened should have no different treatment. Both should be treated similarly with same degree of seriousness.

That said, I can't help but wonder why we move so far from that point, which literally the purpose of this thread --to validate or invalidate unfairness in DuckDice-- of which I believe also has been nicely covered and explained, to this... what I can only summarize as either grasping straws, witch hunt, or a total mess of incoherent ramblings.

I'll ask here and now to clarify our [all of us] situation: OP, what's are you trying to get from this thread?


And this is where I spent tens of minutes trying to read and re-read and re-read the post,  but still don't understand. What changes?

OP, the forum has this feature to edit texts. Bold, italic, underline, change the font color to red, blue, green, orange, yellow, PINK, or even other color of your likings, change the font size. You can even highlight it.

Many has failed to properly utilize this feature and overuse it where it's not necessary [like I just did above]. Perhaps you can try to dip your toe into it and utilize it for a good outcome and its proper purpose? Kindly make it clear where the changes and discrepancies are with those feature, that you try to point out to us?


He has personal matter that --I believe-- is urgent and needed him to put it as priority, and he clearly get a pass from his boss to take longer leave. Why do he has to put other things [yours] in his already full plate while his own boss cleared him from all duty to focus on that personal matter?

Again, what's with this snowflake mentality?

And to close, I'll repeat, I'll ask here and now to clarify our [all of us] situation: OP, what's are you trying to get from this thread?

Over the last few months I've noticed a spate of AI-generated complaints against casinos. When the problems these accounts have are explained to them by a forum member or casino representative, they either shift the nature of the complaint, add a bunch of unrelated information, or continue pounding on the same fallacy-laden argument (ala game-protect (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=874254) aka BlackyJacky (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3520380)). While of course some casino complaints are legitimate, I've found that 100% of the ones using AI are not. In short, a pattern seems to be emerging here (use AI (https://sapling.ai/ai-content-detector/14cb8953a6cee5caab66bff99e1aec19) to throw shit against the wall & see what sticks).

How Sweet-Imaginations. How beautiful-stories. Stop trying to look good in the eyes of the casino-you are good enough already.


Why didn’t you react at that time, when I was asking his presence, wasn’t he supposed to be on 2 days Holidays and what other work can be important than clearing their name in the public forum?


@Holydarkness please read it before you ask me where he changed his narrative? I noticed you have problem of forgetting things -maybe just in my case. I can prove that you forget things or maybe giving overlook to it-in my case.
-1st post of directly accusing me that I sent them emails from an email address similar to mine but different with one later demanding money from them. Also kirit89 giving me tips how to blackmail them.

-2nd I never asked them for money, nor did I discuss with them to pay me 0.01 BTC. This is another completely false accusation.

-3rd For the 3rd time kirito89 said: OP didn't take into account, that the blackmailer's email, and his email are unique, only separated by 1 letter (I asked him to provide proof of this accusation- yet non)

4.
 -4th  I have frequently asked Kirito89 not to pay anyone using my name, but he twisted my words and said that the OP claimed it’s a coincidence that someone has a similar email to mine and is sending them emails asking for 0.01 BTC.

Once again i want to clarify that I am not behind the emails or messages demanding money or offering to remove reviews in exchange for compensation. It seems someone else, using a name similar to mine, is attempting to exploit this situation. i strongly advise you not to pay such individuals. If possible, i suggest you ask him if he can edit this post before you pay him so it can help you find out who is behind this post, (sounds funny).

as for reviews, iwant to emphasize that the post I made on bitcointalk is my first public complaint about my experience. On trustpilot, i left a single review detailing my concerns, which you’ve already responded to. Beyond these, I’ve had no involvement in any other posts or actions that might have impacted your platform’s ratings. my intention remains unchanged to share my personal experience and raise awareness about the issues i encountered with duckdice.io. i encourage you to focus on investigating my original concerns rather than conflating them with unrelated actions from other individuals.[/quote]

-5th  Kirito89 asked 4 times for my permission to post those emails publically to prove that I am the blackmailer
2.
6th Since he kept asking for my permission to share those emails publicly-the ones from which they were receiving requests for 0.01 BTC, as well as mine-so the public could see if the emails were the same and whether I had asked him for money, he asked me about four times for permission. I eventually had to give him permission, as (Holydarkness was more interested in that part). Finally, I granted him permission 1-Jan-2024 to post them, but instead of sharing the emails, he disappeared from the forum. When he returned on 7-01-2024, he contacted user Holydarkness privately, and then Holydarkness stated that it wasn’t possible to share those emails publicly. Like, seriously? Why did he keep asking for my permission to post them publicly if he wasn’t going to do it?
7th Here, user Holydarkness confirms as well (as he was interested in this part) that I gave permission for that.


8th. Kirito89 disappeared from the forum on 01/01/2025 due to personal issues. During this time, Kirito89 was in touch with Holydarkness privately, while Holydarkness continued posting on my thread. Then, on January 17th, Kirito89 returned to the forum with a completely changed story-shifting the narrative from supposedly receiving blackmailing emails to discussing Trustpilot reviews. Kirito89 completely ignored the need to post proof of the blackmail emails


9th After that, Kirito89 asked me to provide proof that I didn’t delete my review, but that Trustpilot did it. He requested the proof to include my email, which I provided.


10th Once I provided him with that proof, instead of addressing the evidence he asked for, he said this.



I am still waiting for Kirito89 to post the evidence, or it is time for him to apologize publicly.[/size][/b][/b]

What reaction you're referring to, if I may ask, to be clear, in case it's not covered as below?

Why don't I react to him on vacation? Explained on previous post
Why don't I react to your demand to get a reply despite his days-off? Because you didn't show the level of... IQ-related-matter and the byproduct-of-extremely-cold-weather-to-droplets-of-water-in-the-atmosphere, you just show it now.


I have not, having problem of forgetting things or giving an overlook. But since you've nicely done your job color-coding the change of narrative you previously propose, let's break them down:


Still can't find a shift in narrative. If any, it perfectly highlight how his mind works, chronologically --and coherently.

On first post, he wrote about blackmails, on the second post, he further explaining how the blackmail worked and what the ransom was. On third post, he clarified that the "same" emails was, that it only has one letter difference, as he graphically explained on the second part of his first post, which later further explained on the fourth post, alongside with how he based his assumption from.

Might be worth to mention the interesting part that your quote of his posts, where you marked this post as first and that post as second and that other post as fourth, is not chronological. Yet, the topic and the point conveyed did not change, it supported each other. This is what we call as "coherent".

So, maybe you want to point us out again on what part you failed to see that he sticks to his narrative that lead you to strongly and repetitively assume he kept changing his narrative?


I believe he listened to you, he did not paid the ransom. May I ask what's the relevancy of this particular post with the situation we're trying to clear out: about how Kirito keep changing his narrative?


Because he's on vacation and get it back-to-back with personal issue? His disappearance from the forum has been explained on above post. Is it not clear yet to you? I don't mind to explain it again, really.


To tell holydarkness that he's on vacation, then to explain to holydarkness when holy demanded to know where did he went AWOL, that he had personal issue, of which holydarkness then [for the better part] left him alone to deal with the private matters.

Again, relevancies?


Why did he kept asking about permission? I believe I covered my assumption a few posts far back. About him being triggered and lost his cool. And later on, as well as why he wasn't going to do it, he already explained: GDPR restriction.


The nature and the content of the conversation between holydarkness and kirito89 already explained above, and holy believe horse will not find it too difficult to find that part.


He literally spelled it out on the post that you quoted and color coded. May I ask if sometimes you find obvious things hard for you to grasp? I am asking because you raised a question, and then you quote and color coded the answer to that very question.

He did not ignoring the need to post the proof. He can't because during his absence [or whenever that is] and due to his big mouth, the trustpilot review disappeared. He lose his evidence the instance it got removed, and he's currently trying to get TP to restore those reviews so he can provide the proof.

You would never have asked me if you had read my thread, my replies, and answered them honestly-only if you were a true mediator, not someone trying to look good in the casino's eyes. “Maybe in my case” Since you took over this thread, the Duckdice representative is openly accusing me, and you seem to be stamping his accusations. Maybe he has legendary member support, which is why others can't ask him to prove his claims.



I want to assure you with all my soul that it was not me who shift the focus from the main issue, I never expected them to blackmail me .I would like to emphasize that throughout the entire time, I was the one asking him not to shift the focus away from the main issue. I repeatedly told him to stop making accusations and to concentrate on the issue I had raised. But he twisted it. Below are my responses, where I clearly told him and requested him not to divert attention from the main issue with those baseless allegations.


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Was it me who shifted the narrative? No. I begged him not to do this. I even asked Kirito89, "Is it a coincidence that whenever someone raises an issue against you in public forums, you start receiving those so called "blackmail emails"? Or is it just a way to weaken the claims of the person speaking out?" Yet, he didn’t respond to that.

I'll reply to this as its relevant information, we've had legitimate threads against us, which were analyzed by the bitcointalk community, such as faulty deposit bonus T&C's,  but we've also had a bunch of fake accusation, followed by blackmail attempts, such as your case!


But to share a bit of good news,  and I'm kicking myself a bit for not thinking of this sooner, as we would have ended this spectacle 6 pages ago, while we can not link OPs account as its been deleted to bets made, due to him confirming with a screenshot, a bet he's placed on a server seed/client seed,  we were able to scrape from our bet history archive  the bets, chance %, bet amounts, and results played on that server seed/client seed.    Basically instead of searching in our database for bets placed by user X and get no results due to GDPR consent removal,  Should have simply filtered by bets placed on client seed X server seed Y, as that server seed/client seed combo was unique to OP, so while we can't actually see in the database that those bets are placed by OP, we have his confirmation on this thread that it was the actual seed/client seed he's played on.

So what we were able to dig out is quite simple, OP hasn't even played on the 15.5% chance, all bets he played ( manual and auto as he claimed he switched sides manually) were done on 33% chance.

While I'm currently not able to share here the bet archive file, due to company policy rules ( no show for internal company documents) I will be able to show it to any 3d authorized mediator. So please OP, you've stated in a recent email that you will contact AG, go ahead and do it so we can finally put this to rest.




Kirito89,

Duckdice Support.

I do read your thread, wrote it in my notebook in form of key points and other things that worth to be highlighted, in case my memory failed me, and that's how I can keep up with the entire development of this now-a-cluster-of-mess thread and point it out to you how the narrative from Kirito never changed, as well as how the thread has strayed from its original goal.


You seemed to failed to grasp what kirito tried to convey. What he propose by that post, instead of casting an impression and twist a narrative that he was the one who found every single piece of evidence even though you're the one who provided it [we're talking about that screenshot with your betID, in case it's not clear enough] is that he found a way to get us back on track with the topic being raised on this thread, to validate or invalidate the fairness, as well as the losing streak.

All we need to do is to get it to AG as you planned [TBH, I am surprised to learn that you haven't raise it yet, despite your repetitive mention to raise it to a third party mediator] where everything can be reviewed by the mediator in private and we can finally get this thing back in motion and ultimately get to the bottom of it.

As a side note, remember the part in my older post about people overuse the feature to edit texts on their post to point out things? Yeah, you've successfully went overboard with those color and size and bold. I'll suggest you to stop and only use them to highlight something crucial that needs to be highlighted. Otherwise, your posts and thread will look like a carnival.

OP, with the emergence of a recent thread about DuckDice (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5529127.0), I have to revisit our previous conversation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5521053.msg64845636#msg64845636) that I choose not to chase at that time as I think it'll be better to address the matter of the issue you raised here: DuckDice's provably fairness.

To refreshen our memory, both you and the overseer, at that time, I wondered and can't help but being curious with how you ended with that thread, which you replied by an explanation that you stumbled upon it because you've been around this thread for several months and been searching within the forum for cases against DuckDice.

I frowned upon that explanation --at that time-- because, even if someone's been around for months and had way too many free time at hand, and choose to dilligently reading threads, I think the chance that they'll stumbled upon a thread this old and waayyy back is still minimal [yes, unbeknownst to anyone, I took a screenshot of the page number where that thread was, when we had the discussion, it is now in an even further greater page number] as I even need to utilize several efforts to dig that thread,

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/02/06/efbL9.jpeg (https://talkimg.com/image/efbL9)

Funnily, that exact thread is, I believe, what Horse Buoy --the user who blackmailed DuckDice, that Kirito89 believe was you, and who you insist was not you-- use as their reference in their blackmail sent to DuckDice.

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/02/06/efWyo.png (https://talkimg.com/image/efWyo)

As I said, I previously choose not to chase it as I think it was not relevant to the issue being raised and our time would be better spent by clarifying DuckDice's fairness.

Given the neighboring case where Horse Buoy seemed to know about some details that should only be known to a thread owner, amuse me, which possibility do you think is most likely: Horse Buoy is omniscience or... they are all the same person?

Definitely the same person. This seems to be an emerging trend on the forum and elsewhere: use AI to generate a well-written complaint against a casino in hopes of extorting something from them. There's at least 3 such cases currently happening right now.

The other thing they have in common is that no matter how clear the logic presented to them, their head will turn to stone as they power through it to continue harping on their same faulty logic.

Still, its worth pointing out that not all scam accusations are like this (some are very valid).

There’s no magic,It’s really easy. Just search “Duckdice.io scam” or similar. You'll find threads where representatives like Kirito and Other have replied to the OPs. Then, go to their profiles and check the number of cases opened against Duckdice.io
To be honest, I used 2% of my brainpower for that. You learned this today right?

How will I know it that those post are from same person? But if you ask me, I belive that "Horse Buoy" is actually Kirito89. Wait a minute what???? Yes,  let me refresh your weak memory once again.


Edit: Holydarkness who Committed suicide? You know what I mean? Did you call on Duckdice till now? I know you will not.

I correctly understand you're meaning to ask about and referring to one of the post where I show someone of my recent situation where I need blood transfusion, and yet still going to the forum and give a hand to the cases here despite the current situation? It's my intestine who committed suicide, or at least something somewhere in my digestive tract [as I don't want to be specific and oversharing here], made me leaking blood through certain hole like a faucet [literally] and made me suffer a rapid blood loss.

But need not to be worried, I'll be fine in a jiffy. Thank you for your sincere concern, though.

About DuckDice, I actually did, talked to Kirito89 several times, to ask about the most recent development with your latest plan to raise this thing to be tried and validated by AG, if he can see it from his side, given I still can't see it from my end, despite your latest statement about AG.

What happened with that plan?

Will it not be done? Asking because that is the best way to prove a lot of things officially, at this point.

I didn’t actually mean it like that. When I said "Who committed suicide" I was talking about this. If they can provide it, it means the data was not erased and their statement that your data is no longer exist is false, thus, a lie, and logically they will not say this as it'll be a reputation-suicide. They have already been caught lying. Check this out: https://imageshack.com/i/pm9iqIONj



Also, your "burn this book" example doesn’t work anymore because Kirito89 replied to that user himself. The screenshot shows they still have data like bets, IPs, emails, Profit and Lose, Chats and all that. https://imageshack.com/i/pnrbLsYoj


So who’s in the wrong here? you or Kirito89? Nvm you both are right it was the guy who requested account deletion. Becouseeeeee...

Did they break GDPR or not? If they’re keeping other people’s bets, transactions, IPs, emails, profits/losses, Usernames and chats, why not mine? Is it because I called out their fairness? Or because I lost big?

Regarding AG, Once I get free I will do that.

Also Kirito89 how about this:



Holydarkness any proof of me requesting account deletion? Why you claimed this?



I am stopping myself not to post on that thread as Kirito89 already asked me not to post everywhere, but believe me Kirito89 there is so many questions now.

Not tagging anything specific in this as at this point you ignore facts 100%, you throw in lies between the lines to make your smoke show more believable etc.

Like I've already stated long ago, I was able to dig out your betting information, even though I can't link them to your username, I can see the bets placed on that server seed/client seed, so you've actually helped us with this matter when you confirmed that you gambled on that server/client seed, thanks OP.  Managing to do that has confirmed that you have infact lied, you have not placed any 15.5% bets, you have not encountered any "huge loss streak" you simply lied from your 1st post, made fake accusations just so that you can strong arm DD into paying you anything.

Now, please stop with this nonsense and running in circles, the other fake threads that you have created and will probably create, and submit already your fake complaint to AG so I can provide them inside company data that shows you are nothing but a blackmailer and a scammer.

Thanks,


Kirito89

Duckdice Support.

At this point, I think it is safe to assume you're grasping at straws, to build a strawman, in order to make it do a witch hunt and throw muds in hope it sticks.

The explanation to your whole posts is simple, someone who can figure out a way to get to a very old thread in two minutes should have been able to figure the difference between your case and the other one.

Your case, got your whole data deleted as it's been a year, there were time elapsed since the "right to be forgotten" being enacted to the time you requested your betting history. That user, had recently asked his right to be forgotten and the process is still ongoing.

If we have to use the "burning book" analogy, the fire just lit and started to eat several pages, hence some pages are still readable. Yours, is an ash. That probably already blown by the wind. Nothing left.

How is this hard to understand? I honestly can't see it's hard, as the explanation of the gradual process itself is already explained on that thread. Unless you deliberately choose to ignore the explanation and refuse to understand.

About proof of you requesting Art. 17 of GDPR, again, it's been explained. The whole paradox and all. In the current state that I am now [I've brushed it on my previous post], I have no mood to re-explain, nor that I think it's necessary, as the explanation has been made in abundance. All you need is to open your mind when you read.

And AG. No time? You could write and overuse the font-editing feature of the forum and repeat same points over and over again, but you don't have time to write to AG? I'll suggest you to perhaps write them instead of repeating things here. It might bring us somewhere.

The only thing baseless here is your empty accusations. Despite being asked over 15 times, you’ve failed to provide a single piece of evidence to back up your claims. You kept "roaring" that you had proof and would share it, but when it’s time to deliver—nothing.

It’s interesting how molydarkness hasn’t asked you where those supposed proofs are? and why he will ask you.

As for your so called blackmail drama that’s just the usual Duckdice tactic, this drama is just to silence anyone who speak out against you in publicly. Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if you, Kirito89, are the one sending those self-emails and staging this nonsense just to create a distraction.

While the Drama is proven already

Care to actually answer this ?


How about your request from Trustpilot? I am sure you found what you were looking for, but you don't want to share it as there was nothing suspicious.But your Excuse.

The matter why I am not asking for proofs are already explained in abundance [just like other points asked and answered on this thread], they will gladly provide all the proof requested by the arbitrator once you raise your case to AG. Because through that way, not only we have a credible entity who can validate or invalidate findings, they will also minimize the risk of GDPR violation. They simply wait for you to raise to AG.

The sooner we can get it up on AG, the soone we can get things back in motion.

I'm copy pasting my previous comment to OPs new post as its the only way to address him:

Not tagging anything specific in this as at this point you ignore facts 100%, you throw in lies between the lines to make your smoke show more believable etc.

Like I've already stated long ago, I was able to dig out your betting information, even though I can't link them to your username, I can see the bets placed on that server seed/client seed, so you've actually helped us with this matter when you confirmed that you gambled on that server/client seed, thanks OP.  Managing to do that has confirmed that you have infact lied, you have not placed any 15.5% bets, you have not encountered any "huge loss streak" you simply lied from your 1st post, made fake accusations just so that you can strong arm DD into paying you anything.

Now, please stop with this nonsense and running in circles, the other fake threads that you have created and will probably create, and submit already your fake complaint to AG so I can provide them inside company data that shows you are nothing but a blackmailer and a scammer.

Thanks,


Kirito89

Duckdice Support.

So you have accused me of blackmailer and I proved it already that I am not the blackmailer. Instead of providing evidences of your accusation you chose to hide behind holydarkness. Kirito89 is actually "Horse Bouy" you are trying escape with this pattern as you are doing for years now.

You made so many accusations in this forum.


As I've provided the proof of everything you asked for.Please provide evidence of your statement. You have already tarnished my reputation in this forum by calling me blackmailer and scammer without proving it.

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Nutildah why did you ignore this? I used AI ofc, and alot others are using.Our taxes are going to be invested in AI.

Kirito89 accused me that I am blackmailing them,but instead, they should be the one providing proof or evidence.Holydarkness asked me to provide proof, and I did. When I provided the proof, they dropped their accusations and shifted to another one.

But I’m wondering, what kind of proof are you asking for when you say "unfounded proofs"?

Anyway I was the one asking him not to derail the topic by baseles accusations. Why dont you ask him to prove his accusations.


I want to assure you with all my soul that it was not me who shift the focus from the main issue, I never expected them to blackmail me .I would like to emphasize that throughout the entire time, I was the one asking him not to shift the focus away from the main issue. I repeatedly told him to stop making accusations and to concentrate on the issue I had raised. But he twisted it. Below are my responses, where I clearly told him and requested him not to divert attention from the main issue with those baseless allegations.


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Was it me who shifted the narrative? No. I begged him not to do this. I even asked Kirito89, "Is it a coincidence that whenever someone raises an issue against you in public forums, you start receiving those so called "blackmail emails"? Or is it just a way to weaken the claims of the person speaking out?" Yet, he didn’t respond to that.


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You are in fact a scammer and a blackmailler, and like I've stated already 3 times, submit your AG complaint so I can provide the evidence that you lied and went the scam/blackmail way from your 1st post.


Glad this account of yours finally got negative tagged.



It's not a coincidence, it only happens with the fake accusations you do here, and the multiple other fake threads you create.  All genuine complaints have been dealt with publicly here, where no blackmail-ing attempts have been made, the only ones when blackmail is involved, are the ones like this one you made, where you lied about a "losing streak" which we have evidence never happened, or the other thread with the GDPR nonsense you've created, where we have the email from OP (also you) asking for money,  regardless of the tactic you're trying to pull there.

So, my final comment on this thread, cause at this point I've spent way too much energy on this case, will re-iterate:

1.  All these fake accusations you make on bitcointalk, or the future ones you will create, they are all re-directed to me, so please believe me when I say that there is no possible scenario where these blackmail attempts will be succesful for you, and you're simply wasting your time, my time, and the bitcointalk users who've actually invested their time analyzing all this nonsense.

2. Submit that AG complain already, so I can provide internal data to them and prove there, and here aswell, that you're simply a scammer and blackmailer.

3. Stop using all the color palletes and text size available as it simply makes your walls of text more unreadable.

4. This is my last reply on this thread, holydarkness if you're still following this can you please dm me if there is anything actually relevant that OP states.

It comes off as insincere. Its like you presented ChatGPT with your side of the story and then asked it to generate a list of things you could complain about. I think what tipped me toward leaving you the negative tag is your failure to address Kirito89's request to submit your complaint to AskGamblers. Is there any valid reason for not doing this? They are proper, well-respected mediators after all, and we are not. If the final outcome of your complaint to AG is favorable to you, or even undecided, I will remove the tag on your account. Right now it just seems like you're one of several blackmailers currently plaguing the forum.

OP's thread actually has become a tangled mess of repetitive old statements and quotes and demand for explanation that's already given to him several times, that not only it's hard to navigate without a headache [those font color and all clearly has lost its function], I find myself tired of keep on trying to explain things to him as it'll be re-asked as a "breakthrough" and "revealing" matter on the three or four post ahead, that I can only conclude the best approach is to let OP rant whatever he want and I'll just take spectator seat until he escalate to AG.

But sure, you can leave this, I'll keep my eyes on this thread as a spectator and will nudge you if something new and worth addressing [or if OP finally decide to own his word and go to AG] come up. Otherwise, if OP keep on his track of repeating things that's made abundantly clear, like the last dozen of his post, I'll just read and won't notify you as it doesn't worth to be [re]addressed [again].

This is what I was waiting for, because I have provided every single piece of evidence Holydarknes asked for, and later he will ignore it and move to other things. I have filed a complaint and will update you once I get any. I hope you will not jump into other things like Holydarknees & Kirito89

I have several posts on this topic and came to know you have written the story with the help of ChatGPT which has been accused by the great forum member nutildah. If nutildah is wrong then please provide enough proof supporting your words otherwise it will be proved that you have posted a fake scam accusation. If so please lock this thread to avoid misguide.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

The necessity to straighten the narrative need to be done to minimize the spread area and severity of the smoke screen. Your evidences were not ignored, redirected to AG. It's been the mutual understanding since you propose it and the second party [DuckDice via Kirito89] agreed.

So far, the other topic that become the entree of this topic has been repetitively explained to you and it was proven that your skull seemingly made of diamond, hard and refracting light shone upon it into many facets. The tangle of previous matters of fairness seems to become irrelevant here and has to be tabled as you insist on playing on one specific angle, the one you think you've got your smoking gun, that Kirito89 did not provide proof here even after you gave your permission.

The reason for this has been explained several posts above, I am sure, I'm just too lazy to dig as I know it won't matter to you. Even with your permission, DuckDice corporation itself, with their customer privacy agreement and other things, would prevent Kirito89 from publishing here. No, I am not ignoring your proof and/or not asking Kirito for his proof.

I chase this path to validate the issue [the one that should be minor but turn to be major] so we can go back to the fairness question soonest possible, but later you choose a more viable way to get it validated, through ADR, where DuckDice will minimize the possible violation in any of GDPR article and the validator couldn't be more neutral and well-equipped in verifying things, in case someone will later accuse the mediator sided with casino [suppose the validation made here in the forum, by us]. So, AG is the perfect path, that you suggested yourself, which DuckDice agreed.

To summarize, all these past two or three weeks, it's about waiting for you to escalate to AG as you wished yourself, then we can get things back in motion.

And rest assuread, in many cases, we respected the ADR's verdict, so no one would jump into their own conclusion, but rather compliant to what the arbitrator dictate. Could you, though?

Holydarkness stop playing around and stop defending Duckdice.io you are over acting now.

Wasn't it you who asked me where Duckdice.io representative asked for my permission to publish the data? you didn't even read that how you can call your self the mediator?


Here I proved that to you, But instead asking Duckdice.io representative to post the evidences now, you skip it.


When Kirito89 was asking me repeatedly to give him permission to post those emails and conversations publicly, why didn’t anyone stop him or point out that such information shouldn’t be requested publicly? Why didn’t anyone remind him that this kind of data shouldn’t be shared so casually? I’m sure you’ve read this part as well, and I’d like to hear your thoughts on it.

Was Kirito89 not that professional, or was he unaware of his site’s terms, What should we call this? Was he trying to silence me? oR was he attempting to publicly label me a scammer by asking me to give him permission so that he could post the emails he claimed to have received from a blackmailer? I don't believe they actually received any emails from scammers; it could be them creating this drama to discredit my thread against them.

You mentioned that you couldn't find instances where Kirito89 asked for permission to publish the data aside from one. Here are the screenshots again for your reference: https://imgur.com/a/6yTLgbm https://imgur.com/a/17vZu5H  https://imgur.com/a/SZHEeZK  

If you take the time to read through his responses thoroughly, you’ll notice how many times he has changed his narrative throughout this issue. But honestly, I don’t expect you to point out any of his inconsistencies or mistakes.

Meanwhile, you’ve never asked Duckdice.io representatve  to prove their accusations or claims against me. Why is that? Like this one:

https://imgur.com/a/pCGawpm

Have you ever asked Kirito89 to prove his claim that I said it’s a coincidence that the blackmailer’s email and mine are similar but different by one letter?

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How you don’t "dig through posts" when it comes to Duckdice.io side, but you have all the time in the world to nitpick mine.

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My complaint on AG is rejected and the reason :Your complaint has been rejected due to following reason:

Unfortunately, GDPR related matters cannot be subject to AGCCS. Please keep in mind that considering the nature of your dispute AskGamblers Complaints Team is strongly encouraging you to forward your complaint to the relevant competent authorities dealing and handling GDPR related issues in your country of reside­nce.

Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/5tu4uMG

Now please consider removing the tag as per your statement, Kindly consider going through the thread before you take such decisions.

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................... OP I think you accidentally mistook this thread with your other one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5529127.msg65060819#msg65060819    Why was the concern you raised with AG about GDPR related matters?  I thought your accusation was about an "unrealistic losing streak"  you keep twisting and turning events trying to throw mud in every direction hoping it sticks,  why have you not gone to AG with the provably fair matter, with the things you've complained here about, so that we could provide to them the evidence which shows you've lied from your 1st statement....

I will recap, and hopefully others beside nutdilah flag this OP, he lied about an "red streak" that he supposedly encountered on our website,  we proved here publicly that on the seed he played, that streak didn't happen (it was verified by a 3d party bitcointalk member),  then OP changed his story that he "manually switched bets" so we couldn't actually tell anymore if the streak was relevant, BUT! thanks to OPs unintentional help, we were able to dig out from our archive the bets played on that server/client seed which OP confirmed it was his, and everything he claimed was a complete lie, OP didn't even play on the 15.5% chance he was claiming, thus asking him to go with this complaint to Askgamblers, so we can provide inside company data which proves this,  OP turns around and submits a complaint about GDPR matters? Funnily enough same subject, that was brought up from another OP recently here ( I'm 100% sure its the same person).






Kirito89,

Duckdice Support.

This was my statement:


Right now there's zero resolved or undecided (open) cases for DuckDice on AskGamblers. So I won't be removing your tag based on what you have presented.

Furthermore, I thought you would be submitting the complaint based on the issued outlined in your first post, where you claim to have lost 0.37 BTC on 158 losses in a row. Seems like that's what you should be doing if you want your money back.

Allow me to send you a direct message where you can view what I have written in the complaint.

Also how about I get accused of things I never done? I brought a unfairness issue and he start baseless accusation which is never answered, If I ask about evidences from Duckdice.io representative holydarkness get sick and instead of him Holydarkness will reply to make things easy for kirito89. Is Duckdcie.io representative allowed to blackmail a person without any evidences? What is your POV? I am accused in this form right in-front of everyone's,  and you believed that without a single piece of evidence?  BTW why you believed him? because of holydarkness is already on his side? or you read some solid evidences?

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There is no Mistake at all, you paid that user simply to delete all the evidences from a public form. That post is not mine- If that post was mine nothing was going to be deleted. that was so slid evidences of you and more colleague crying over the lies. I still have those evidences in this thread. Also you blackmailed him after paying,that he is asking for money through emails while he declined that.


Just in-case you forget this question



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That's not necessary, I don't need to see anything other than what is posted in the DuckDice entry on AskGamblers. You've shifted your complaint to something GDPR related... It doesn't really matter what your complaint says if it doesn't relate to your first post in this thread. I realize there's 3 sides to every story, but you've been using ChatGPT from the getgo, and in other areas of the forum. Your account won't have much value going forward but if you're genuinely interested in participating in the forum, my trust rating won't stop you.


Yeah, that's a pretty good reason IMO.

You are wrong, It was not me who shifted things to GDPR, It was Duckdice.io represitative who Stated this:



That's why I asked everyone's to read the thread before you post.

The thread has more than 150 posts, I'm not reading all of them. I'm just addressing your initial complaint, which on its face sounds completely fabricated. And since your account was deleted, its impossible to verify your claims.

Here's what it comes down to:


So you're claiming that for whatever reason the outcome of the bets you made wasn't calculated according to DuckDice's system of provably fair. Unfortunately, there's no way to verify that claim if we don't know what the bets are.

I will remove your negative trust but have opposed your flag as its not based on anything tangible.

Edit: please don't think this means I will consider supporting your argument; as a matter of fact, this is my last post in this thread.

Please consider reading this, as this is from the same user.


The result is not shoing   if the bet is a win or a lose, not showing if the bet is on high or low side, not showing how much is the bet amount. Base on that you opposed my flag, While the user who posted the result clearly stated that those numbers mean nothing since I changed sides.

I will break the 150 posts down into a single relevant one,  while we couldn't find in our database anymore user OP's bets,  OP at some point posted a screenshot here, from which we identified the server seed/client seed, in our database, while those bets couldn't be linked to an account ( OPs account) we could see what % they were played on, bet amounts, results if they were won or lost.  Basically a server/client seed combination is unique to each player,  and while OP was the one who provided the screenshot of the bet, it was also confirmation that indeed they were his bets.  OP has not played on the 15.5% chance,  ( he played 33% chance) OP has not encountered a 158 losing streak, and we have proof of this, thus the request for him to submit his complain to AG so we can provide it.    OP has been beating around the bush (he perfectly knows this, thus why he for the past 3 weeks is completely ignoring this aspect, and submitted an what I assume GDPR related, probably fake, AG complaint).

So what I'm trying to portray is that, we have solid evidence that will disprove everything OP has stated on this thread, we just needed it to be handled by a verified mediator (aka AskGamblers).

And yes, OP is the blackmailer, judging also from the fact that he started this off with completely fabricated facts, us receiving blackmail emails, its pretty clear what he was going after.






Kirito89,

Duckdice Support.

Calm down.... Calm... You are not at that level yet to summarize 150 posts to a single reply. A person who cant stand by his statement is summarizing 150 posts to a single reply, you’re just dodging everything. You keep changing your story.

Wasn’t it you who said this before?



Since Nutildah have not read 150 posts of the thread but decided to oppose the flag, I hope he will see it more clear now.



I believe there is no single evidence of what you accused me of, or any so-called blackmail emails. If you had proof, you would’ve posted it 50 times by now given the way you throw around accusations.

This whole blackmail email drama is just a strategy Duckdice.io uses to silence people who speak against them in public, just like you recently did to another person and in the past to every single person who posted against you here.

By the way, this "Horse Buoy" is actually Kirito89.

https://imgur.com/a/OKAlIXC  https://imgur.com/a/lgtNUTD  https://imgur.com/a/Xhl5Gw0

For the very last time:


That's not what this thread is about, and its not what your flag is about. This thread is about your scam accusation, which is unfounded and unprovable. You have no evidence; therefore I have opposed the flag. Please don't "whatabout" me with this or that, as I won't be responding.

Interesting how you completely ignored once again the provably fair aspect of it, the literal point of your entire thread. But of course you would, since we have proof of you lying, and you made a phoney AG complaint that was dismissed.


" just like you recently did to another person and in the past to every single person who posted against you here." -  I strongly believe you're the one behind all the previous blackmail attempts aswell, as like you said its highly unlikely to receive blackmail attempts  from multiple people, so judging by these following aspects I strongly believe you are the blackmailer and simply a scammer:
-  you've lied about the streak, about the chance you've played on, about the losses you've encountered, and we have EVIDENCE of this!
-  Due to having definetive proof of these lies, combined with the blackmail emails we've received, makes me be 100% certain that you are infact the blackmailer, and as I doubt this is a common practice, and I highly doubt we as Duckdice would be targetted by multiple people with these tactics, I strongly believe you are behind most of the blackmail attempts made against us on this forum which follow the pattern : Fake accusations on bitcointalk, private emails asking for money to make the noise go away, fake trustpilot reviews.


Have a nice day!



Duckdice Support.

No. You are wrong, you ignored those posts as you ignored many questions, I have already answered those, but you don't want to read them. and if you read em you will not answer but dodge it with something like this


BTW Where is the proof? You keep saying you have evidence, yet you never post it. First, you needed my permission to post the emails. Then, you needed my Trustpilot email that the review was not deleted by me but by truspilot. Then, you said you are waiting for trustpilot to send you the email.then, you needed AskGamblers to be mediators. Now, you’re just repeating baseless claims. If you actually had proof, you would’ve posted it already given the way you throw around accusations.

If I’m lying, why you are not proving it already? You claim to have evidence of my blackmailing emails, my trsutpilot review, my bets, my streak, my losses post it publicly, That’s what I want at all. It’s been 2 months since I am asking you to post it, and yet you ignoring.

Alright  DuckDice.io representative kirito89 is going to provide evidence of his accusations to Holydarkness.

Updates regarding the Evidences that Holydarkness was suppose to receive from Kirito89.


Holydarknes didn't act as a bridge and posted a novel without containing a single piece of evidences we were agreed on.


I asked him to reread the agreement and stand by his words. Holydarkness dropped all his statements upon which we were agreed.

His Judgment can be read here



Holydarkness completely abandoned his statements.

I'm just curious: what do you hope to accomplish with this thread? The evidence surrounding your "fairness issues" has been proven to be non-existent, so there's no way we as forum members can help you with your case.

Umm... you actually forgot to quote the post that posted the findings I found upon looking at the evidence provided to me by DuckDice through Kirito89 [quoted below the double line, for the sake of transparency], as well as to address the matter I asked following the findings, where your narrative changed from where your threads's aim is seeking transparency of their provable fairness due to your 158 losing streak, to offering them a fair offer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5533331.msg65153961#msg65153961).

I don't think the two can mutually exist; Either you look for transparency or you look for a refund.

So, I'll ask again: "a fair offer for what, if I may ask?"

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May I know if the bets result you have now is showing Wining chances? If not how you calculated 33% chances losing streak instead of 15.5%?


As you forget things very quickly when it is a bit against casinos, I will remind you again your statements and Kirito89 Statements upon which we were agreed to make you a BRIDGE between us.

Please read it this time don’t dodge it holydarknees, you have to be a bridge not representative of a casino, if kirito89 has sent you the evidences of his accusations please share it.



Also I quoted a post of your, Where you  were kinda pushing me to allow Duckdice.io representative to share the email and other evidences or I should trust you and you will see the evidences. But now you have completely abandoned your statements.

I am snipping the rest of your post as they're a false narrative. Addressing the point above as well as explaining [yet again] of what happened:

As stated, it is not under my purview to share the evidence. You can ask DuckDice or Kirito89 if you want to see them, but it not under my right to share any of it as I am --as you write yourself-- just acting as a bridge.

Moreover, I am sure that the agreement is for DuckDice through Kirito89 to share to me, not publicly.

But it seems you forgot the real arrangement of which you both gave your consent. Let me remind you the agreement that you and DuckDice through Kirito89 agreed, since you seemingly "forget" them, because... certainly you did not deliberately trying to twist the narrative by snipping here and there and re-write the scenario:

The whole post of mine, which start the agreement can be found on #8 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5533331.msg65109987#msg65109987), of which, the snippet that exactly speaking about the point of the agreement is as below:


Of which, you gave your agreement on #21 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5533331.msg65129493#msg65129493), quoted below:


Of which, DuckDice through Kirito89 gave their consent that seal the deal on #25 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5533331.msg65133400#msg65133400):


As can be seen, the new deal you both entered is fulfilled from DuckDice's side, as do me from my side. Yours though, was not fulfilled; to trust me that I am standing on neutral ground when reviewing what's given to me and reported 100% based on what I seen. In fact, we can safely consider [beyond doubt, if I may add] that you violated it not long after [in #42 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5533331.msg65155263#msg65155263)] I gave my findings which was based on the evidence given,


The findings itself validate what Kirito89 said about the bets, that in my findings, there were no losing streak that much, that I even use the help of AI to process the thousands of entries shown to me. And that you indeed emailed them to ask for refund. Standing alone, IMO, that was not a smoking gun itself, a bit hot at the nozzle, but the smoke was not there. But then, you pressed the trigger, and now the gun is smoking and your hand is red:


And this is why you go with your crusade, snipping posts and replaying words and words in an attempt to twist the narrative that got revealed upon the proof given by DuckDice.

Let me ask again, since you seemingly keep avoiding it, so we can get it clear: A fair offer for what, if I may ask? I thought all you seek is transparency? A clarification of DuckDice Provable Fairness. So, what offer is that?

Please help us all understand that before you start with your new argument. Though I am not sure what else to argue, since the provable fairness and transparency issue is already cleared.

They are not false at all, the post I posted is all your statements and Kirito89 statements, how you can call it false?  You have violated your own rules, there wasn’t any new agreement at all.

This is an excuse that you can’t share the evidences- Still you are making conclusion base on it, You don’t have any evidences at all.

You have abandon many of your statements time to time just to defend duckdice.io, Here are few that you abandoned already:

You Stated earlier that there is no data on earth which can show the details of my bets. And if duckdice.io provide one its mean they are cheating and it will a suicide situation for duckdice.io




Now as you already stated above regarding GDPR how come you got the bets results? Is this enough to disprove all your statements? Did duckdice.io now committed suicide?




Remember those are all your statements not mine, don’t you call it false anymore, Instead address it why you changed it




Now let’s see what you have stated earlier-and for what you were going to be a bridge



I will leave you in no state to call it false again





Regarding the Agreement don’t forget it’s still there on the thread- Ummm  I will quote it here to let you know what the agreement was based on actually



I hope you will Understand now that what we were agreed on is not covered-actually none of them, you didn’t act as bridge, the evidence you claimed you have is all from me, I was the one who posted it 3 months earlier in this forum to disprove Kirito89 accusations




Now your tricky question



Why I asked for my loses back? What was the “Fair offer”?

This is what the fair offer was based on : https://imgur.com/a/8wSxYM9  . You already tried your best to make me look like a scammer.

There is no new arguments, the new arguments are coming from you and kirito89, Posted above are the evidences of your narrative changes.

When you are going to ask kirito89 for the proof of his accusations? Even thought it was supposed to be done earlier but……

I am failed to see the connection between my inability to share the evidence due to my capacity as a third party that has no right to the data sharing, with the ability to make a conclusion based on the said evidence, that I've seen with my eyes.


Marble indeed. Marble indeed.

It's been explained, I believe more than once. If you're truly looking for transparency, you'll read every post carefully and won't miss this explanation, so I am not sure why you still failed to understand that part.

Initially, there were not any possible way to retrieve your betting history, until you gave the screenshot of your betID, that can be used to "replicate" [not sure if "replicate" is the right term here] your betting session. As done by khaleed, and you later add more info that made the compiled data unusable.

Later though, as can be witnessed from the date-stamp of my post that I snipped from your post so it won't be a tangle of pyramid-quote, months later, DuckDice realized that the betID did not just enable them to replicate the betting session. Upon being matched with their internal data, of which has no name and ownership as the player who used to own the data has enacted the rights to be forgotten, a simple series of number, it enabled them to get the server seed, the data that is theirs; the server's, as in DuckDice's.

The server seed itself was previously impossible to be fished out and be associated with you, since it has no ties to any player, they're nameless data stored in their RAM or SSD, or whatever storage they use. But with your provided betID, that still took DuckDice months to realize that it also serves such purpose, it was made possible: to enable them to identify to whom did the server's seed used to be assigned to.

The data is basically still nameless, a series of bets made by an unknown. But, again, thanks to your betID, they can tie it to you, as the server's seed and the series of seeds that follows or preceeded it matched the server seed in your betID.

Is it still hard to be understood?



I'll deliberately leave my quoted post still kinda quoted this time, just to show the timestamp. That's kinda the beauty of the forum, isn't it? All is timestamped, properly well documented without much effort.

If it's hard for you to understand, let me spell it out: as can be seen, it was quotes from December 2024 and January 2025, those whole convoluted entanglement of accusations from both sides that was ultimately impossible to unravel, the red bar of steel, the whole proof me wrong and prove me being the sender, etc etc etc. of which, later, in 26th February, I offered to metaphorically forget everything, to start a clean sheet and leave those unravelable things behind and get to the root of everything that you insist is your true goal: the provable fairness and the transparency, of which, I asked you both to enter a new agreement and consent


Timestamp, date, pay very close attention to it, because it is indeed very beautiful and useful to explain things to you and show the overseers what chronologically happened. And especially useful to thwart your attempt to mess with the timeline as shown below. Again, pay attention to the date and timestamp:


This is a repeated quote of what's already quoted above, sans the content as it's just to show the timestamp where I offered you both and asked for the consents for the newest attempt to get things resolved and proven, 26th of February, 2025:


This is you and your words upon agreeing and giving your consent, 4th of March, 2025:


This is DuckDice through Kirito89 entering the agreement with their terms as well as their consent, on March 5th, 2025, 10:44:09


Those "terms" you said is yours, was not the clause of the term you wrote upon giving your consent, it was added later on, by 5th of March 2025, 09:57:29, with no agreement or even acknowledgement from anybody.

You agreed to trust me to be the third party who will review evidences that DuckDice will give, that I will be on neutral ground and conveyed what I see. If which I did, and DuckDice did, and you did not. Again, the "clause" you added later by 5th of March, was not in the agreement, though I am sure Kirito89 still addressed the matter somewhere.

I hope you understand now that what we were agreed on is completely covered. All of them. In details. You asked about the transparency and fairness, DuckDice provided a betting log that got reconstructed from the server seed extracted from one's betID, I verified that there were not any 158 losing streak. Not even 20, if we rely on the data being processed by the AI when I asked to summarize the longest win/lose streak.

With this proven, the case should be enough to be cleared and marked as resolved.


Nope, what I see was thousands of entries of betting log of someone. Did you provide that to the forum three months earlier?


Still doesn't explain how threads which aim is to look for transparency and prove the provable fairness of DuckDice contain a "fair offer" for DuckDice to pay you. Mind to explain it again? Because that two, I think, can't coexist. They're an either-or. Either you're looking for transparency [which you emphasized several times that transparency is your priority, and that you do not want DuckDice to pay anyone a single penny, that you stand by that] or asking for funds as "fair offer".

While we're at it, how does the fair offer come, again? From someone who stand by the word that they don't want DuckDice to pay a single penny?


Nope, the arguments come from you, when you backed down from your own word that you gave upon your consent, that binds you both on the new agreement. Always from you, we're here just tying the loose end that you failed to understand, repetitively explaining the points that you'll yet again failed to understand, as you choose not to, because if you admit that you understand the findings and the situation, you'll admit that the case can be closed now, since the transparency and the provable fairness is proven: there were not any 158 losing streak.

Yes marble-Ofc Marble why? Because you are blindly defending Duckdice.io now ruined your reputation and showed how honest you are at all, Maybe you are acting like a blind but as you said the time stamp is the beauty of this forum. Here when I posted the bet ID and when you have made the stamen
This is when I actually posted my bet ID


This is when you made the statement that there is no data on earth which can help to find the result of the bets




Now you are dropping it when it’s time to apply it




You are blindly supporting duckdice.io for sure.


Why you completely ignored to ask kirito89 if his accusations is true or false? If true did he provide any proof? you are completely ignoring it



This is what I gave consent for to you and you was knew it but you completely drop it and sticked to something that is not proved and no one can see if you are honest or not.

You were supposed to check all those points but you only sticked to one which also not cleared at all.


Do you still remember the story, why I said to Duckdice.io not to pay anyone a single penny ?

In your head? Yeah, maybe. But in other people heads? They can understand well of what transpires, what you're trying to pull here, and so on.

For the sake of clarity, though, I'll try to help you understand one last time. After that, you're on your own. So, please pay a real attention to this one below, as this will very likely be my last response to this thread as I am sure everything has been explained suffieciently and if you still failed to grasp it. Well, you're on your own. But hey, at least the marbles are not alone.

It'll be rather short, so it'll rather easy to follow.


If you bother to quote just a bit below what's snipped from post on 18th March above... the explanation is there. No data of yours is retrievable, anything associated with you has been burned. The screenshot of your betID though, contain an information [that took DuckDice even months to realize that it can be used that way] that allow DuckDice to associate the betID with strings of nameless and owner-less data, a bunch of numbers of server's seed stored at their system with the owner of it, who had it burned.

I am very sure that is not hard to understand. I even think that someone who stumbled upon that post of mine without much context of the previous discussion can easily grasp the gist of the situation. Unless that's the exact reason why you snip my post right at that point?


I am not. He did, as per agreed on his clause of agreement upon entering it, be verified by me.


It was not. I've proved it, there were not a 158 losing streak on the data he provided to my eyes. And they won't need to show you as you've given your consent, your agreement, that I'll be the third pair of eyes who verify, that you'll believe in my findings.


I was not. That is not the clause of agreement you put when you entered it. Kirito89 still personally addressed the matter to the public, though. Did you miss it?


I do. Perfectly. Yet here you are, documented to be asking for a subjectively large amount of fund, not just a single penny, despite the claim that transparency is your priority, not compensation and you never asked DuckDice to demand money or bonuses.

Those above said. I believe everything here has been made clear. The findings had been given. The overseers here had seen and read what they need to see and read to pull their conclusion. They are all free with each of their own interpretation of it. My duty here to verify the data and conveyed what are they about though, is done.

My last advice, if I may: drop the charade, they've seen the truth. You call though.

I'll take my leave.

I believe you have taken his posts, words and comments out of context.

My initial feeling was that maybe you did it deliberately but when I thought about it, I realised it might be out of frustration. I understand you claim you had 158 consecutive losses (that amounted to you losing 0.37 BTC) and I understand you are convinced DuckDice are a scam.

If you genuinely believe you were mistreated by DuckDice and you have a case against them then do something about it. The forum member Paper Wallet took FortuneJack to court in Curacao and won the case (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5534261.0) against them when he claimed they scammed him. Why are you not doing something similar if you believe you were scammed?

You will not get much support here based on the information you have provided therefore what are you going to do other than continuously posting here out of frustration?


https://i.postimg.cc/J4TwgFJF/duckdice1-Copy.png

Can you please mark one? which one of them is out of context?


I have contacted their License provider many times and got no response from them, Duckdice.io is in the CC to that email as well. It was an open agreement to which points we were agreed, Also their his statements are still visible, but he completely dropped them for the sake of Duckdice.io. He know that Duckdice.io representative Accused me without a single proof, they changed their statements multiple times.

Please support my flag against Duckdice.io represintiative Kirit089 for accusing and blackmailing me.
Flag Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2912800;page=iflags