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Bitcointalk Username: NateShaw 
Shuffle.com Username: N8snathan 

I am one of the biggest sports bettors on Shuffle.com. I have wagered millions with them over the years. In the past, I have won and lost large sums (including $3.5m last year which I lost back, and $2m earlier this year which I successfully withdrew without issue). 

On my latest bet I won $63,000 on a high-level soccer game. Immediately after this win, my withdrawals were frozen. Shuffle.com’s reasoning was that because another user also placed $1k and $3k on the same outcome, my bet was “shady.” 

This makes absolutely no logical sense: 

• If a game is truly flagged for suspicious activity, it is suspended by the provider itself.
• No such suspension happened here — the market remained open for the entire site.
• Not a single other major sportsbook or betting site suspended this game either.

 

This isn’t the first time Shuffle has used such tactics. Earlier this year they: 

• Locked my account over unrelated off-platform poker losses to Noah. At the time, I had a $10k balance in my Shuffle account, which they froze until I repaid Noah.
• To make matters worse, they blackmailed me by freezing a friend’s account (with $40k balance) simply because he was associated with me.

 

I eventually repaid those off-platform debts, even though they had nothing to do with Shuffle. My account was restored and everything seemed fine. But now, after a clean and legitimate sports win, Shuffle is pulling the same stunt again. 

Not only are they refusing to pay my $33k winnings, but they are also withholding my deposits. 

For a platform that markets itself as being built on trust and transparency, this is nothing more than a one-sided trap: 

• When you lose, they happily take your money.
• When you win, they invent excuses to block your withdrawals and lock your account.

 

This behavior is predatory and extremely damaging to Shuffle’s reputation. Right now, Shuffle.com is operating like a scam site that selectively honors bets only when it benefits them. 

Hi, uhhh... I'm actively reaching my Shuffle contact [the easily reachable one, not the one that's a tad bit difficult to reach] to look into this matter. For the time being though, mind to complete your thread with supporting evidence so we can grasp the situation better?

https://ibb.co/GQxhFMNm (https://ibb.co/GQxhFMNm)
https://ibb.co/BKtFK28D (https://ibb.co/BKtFK28D)
https://ibb.co/35vKVRgp (https://ibb.co/35vKVRgp)
https://ibb.co/FkpkxySs (https://ibb.co/FkpkxySs)
https://ibb.co/bM2ks39N (https://ibb.co/bM2ks39N)
https://ibb.co/hJcMH91M (https://ibb.co/hJcMH91M)
https://ibb.co/RGscFwbQ (https://ibb.co/RGscFwbQ)
https://ibb.co/4wSnD8pD (https://ibb.co/4wSnD8pD)
https://ibb.co/TxzvDSPj (https://ibb.co/TxzvDSPj)
https://ibb.co/HpC6gKWY (https://ibb.co/HpC6gKWY)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from the two conversations you had with Shuffle, the issue here is your bet, whether it'll be a winning bet or a bet being voided due to group bets ["David" said and I quote, "multiple users involved and bets"] is under review? And we're waiting for a verdict by Betby here?

They've used this reason to prevent me from withdrawing my deposits as well. Which is insane and unheard of. So either the bet is voided or a win. If this is being investigated why does my deposited amount have to be locked away too? They will use this reason now, I'm sure to hold my withdrawals for weeks with no update and silence from all sides; It's a tactic they've become quite infamous for, silent treatment and ignoring messages.

Another really important point is my bet won before the 1st half even ended and they've held my funds since then but they've also left the markets for the game open throughout the game duration. If the match was really compromised like they keep insisting then why are they accepting bets on the game even after having this information? That's a very shady practice from their side.

Let's focus on this part first as it is... easier to tackle in sense it's more of a "yes and no, zero and one" than the second paragraph that'll require a more complex understanding. They're withholding your fund? Your sitting idly funds? The one that you don't use for bets? Or were the funds become something "idle" because you cancelled an ongoing bets following the situation?

I deposited 30k, I had 500 already in my balance. I placed a 30.5k bet on a 2.1x. And withdrew everything when it won, they are holding the bet amount + the bet profit hostage. When the outcome of the investigation can only be 1x or 2.1x. Why are they holding the initial bet amount (my deposit) hostage? That makes no sense from a logical perspective.

I see. Thank you for your clarification.

If I may offer a perspective, returning the initial bet amount is usually an action made when a verdict of an investigation has been made and the sportsbook provider deemed the bet to be problematic. Thus, they return the amount wagered and confiscate the amount won. Correct?

Without the verdict, they can't exactly determine what amount should be credited to you. If you ask them to return the initial bet amount now, while they're still waiting for a verdict by the provider, isn't it acceptable to imply that such action means you'll accept whatever verdict they pull? Because --as I am sure you also well versed-- that's how it goes with many casinos: a dispute over bets happened, and the casinos offer the initial deposit. If the player accept this, the action is perceived as an agreement to settle and the case will be closed based on the action. As long as the player didn't touch the fund they returned, it is perceived as a sign that the player doesn't accept the verdict and challenge it.

Thus, if you asked for them to return the wager amount now, while they're still doing their investigation, it'll actually be unfavorable from your side, is it not?

There is no possible outcome where the wager amount is seized (They either void the bet or they pay the win), so withholding it serves no purpose. Holding my funds during this process is simply an attempt to inconvenience me and pressure me into accepting a void when I know the bet was legitimate.

They are also aware I have limited funds and a strong desire to continue playing this weekend, yet they are acting in bad faith by suggesting an investigation could take weeks. This delay is unnecessary and unfair.

Radio silence from Shuffle.com staff so far.

I checked the whole thread, and I would personally suggest you be patient while Holydarkness is in contact with the team. It is very fair to hold the funds while the investigation is ongoing. I am not sure if you got the point Holydarkness mentioned - if you ask them to credit the wagered amount, this means you are asking them to return your bet amount and not the winnings.

Without the investigation result, they cannot credit your funds because they don't know how much they will have to credit. Once they finish the investigation, I assume they can credit your total balance if everything goes fine.

Correct, eventually the wager amount will be returned at any outcome, unless a casino tried to seize the wager too, of which rather uncommon for big and reputable casinos. However, it is also a common and shared practice amongst casinos to withhold everything until resolution reached. I honestly can't recall from the top of my head where a case with any casino return the initial wager first, then the rest of the fund [the winning] either paid as second installment or voided.

I'll try to reach my contact on Shuffle to see if that can be done, but I don't think it should. I mean, above is the common and widely used practice. If they make an exception for you, it will have to become a new standard of practice amongst every other casino.

Hi guys - this user bet a fixed match, which naturally we do not tolerate whatsoever. It’s not the first time, this user has a history of abusing our platform, so unfortunately for him he’s all out of warnings.

Thanks,
Noah

This sets a terrible precedent. You can’t let bets run, wait until they win, and then swoop in to seize both the stake and the payout under some vague, unproven “integrity” excuse. Industry standard is clear: void the bets if there’s a real issue. What you’re doing isn’t risk management, it’s theft — plain and simple.

Segregation of Player Funds: Article 3.2 of the LOK requires operators to separate player funds from operational capital to guarantee availability at all times. Deposits are the property of the player, not the casino, and must be safeguarded.

Transparency of Terms: Article 5.1 obliges licensees to provide clear, transparent terms regarding the handling of bets and winnings. No provision allows confiscation of deposits without regulatory or judicial order.

AML/Criminal Exception: The only circumstance where deposits may be frozen or seized is under Article 7.4 (AML provisions), in cases of suspected money laundering, fraud, or criminal financing. Even then, seizure must be coordinated with authorities—not imposed unilaterally by the operator.

How can Noah accuse me of betting on a fixed match when I’ve already spoken with Eddie (Stake’s owner), and he confirmed that Stake — which uses the exact same sports provider as Shuffle — received no flags whatsoever?

I also checked with other providers, and not a single one had any suspicious alerts. If Stake and others using the same feed cleared the game, then how is Shuffle suddenly calling my bet a “fix” and holding my balance?

I’m currently in Curaçao, where Shuffle is licensed, and I’ll be pushing this matter hard with the authorities if my funds are not released. Under Curaçao law, operators are required to segregate player funds from operational capital and cannot seize deposits under baseless accusations.

I can also provide the evidence and provider confirmations privately to any users here who’d like to cross-check.

Shuffle representatives used to reply within 5 minutes prior to this win but now are giving me the silent treatment with no replies past 3 days.
Aren't willing to have a conversation; this seems more like some sort of revenge plot for being a winning player rather than an investigation as no other website/provider has flagged or investigated this specific match.

OP, I had a conversation with my contact on Shuffle just now, and I was informed that your demand has been granted, like... for a while, that the wager amounts has been returned while [if I understand this correctly] the winning amount is still being confiscated pending investigation.

Mind to check and confirm?

It has to be paid as a win and I've provided relevant proofs of my innocence to some important people who will have a look at this matter. My fight will continue till my bets have been settled as wins.

I've raised a flag against Shuffle here on this forum. I'll fight for the innocence of this bet and me, till I'm settled the full winning amount.

Sorry if I'm a bit unclear. What I am saying is, upon my inqury to my contact to return your wagering amount, they said that it's already done, yesterday if not the day before it. Just like your demand. Mind to check?

Interesting!
But Noah confirmed here that this guy was placing bets on a fixed match, and this is not his first offense. So I thought we would get a similar response from your contact as well. But if the stake was returned to his account, this says something else. Also, the player says he had talked to the Stake owner and confirmed that they did not receive any flag or warning from the provider side.

@OP, could you share the proof that Eddie confirmed there were no warnings or flags on the specific match where you placed the bet? Meanwhile, can you please answer the question of holydarkness? Did they returned your bet amount?

The initial bet amount has been returned, now I'm waiting for them to settle it as a win.

I've sent you the evidence through private messages. Please have a look.

It was a fair gesture from Shuffle to give your deposit back until investigation is going on. They could have done it earlier as well when you asked them first. I will advise you to wait until investigation is over.
After reading the entire SS conversation I want to highlight this,

https://hostmeme.com/uploads/1756808967_beeec7.png

from this to

https://hostmeme.com/uploads/1756809003_dd3d71.png

That was quick and had a different tone.





   

Also want to highlight the fact that David's first message about the provider flagging the bet was a complete lie. It was shuffle themselves flagging the bet then asking the provider for an investigation. I've heard of innocent until proven guilty before. I'm hearing about guilty until proven innocent for the first time now.

Do you have proof about this accusation? How come shuffle will flag your bet while the provider itself has access on your bet records done on their game.

Shuffle is paying other user win without any problem. If you are confident that you don’t do wrong then the decision will be in favor to you.

We will request for evidence check once results is already out.

Your conduct in this matter is alarming and not professional at all.

If the user has a history of abusing your platform, why did you tolerate him long enough to create a history of abuse? You should have banned the account on the very first (alleged) abuse.

Now that you mentioned it, you should elaborate on specifically how many times the OP has abused the Shuffle platform and what you did on every one of those instances.

Not only that, how do you respond to the OP when he stated Stake informed him there was no issue with that specific sports provider having no flags?

This seems to look very bad for Shuffle.

I am unable to check the images. When I visit the link, it says the page doesn't exist. I tried VPN, and it's the same. Please use talkimg.com or hostmeme.com to upload your images before you send the links to anyone. Thanks for confirming that you received your initial bet amount. I think we should let holydarkness talk to the shuffle team and come up with a conclusion.

I personally think this behaviour was selective with this player. If Shuffle cannot prove that the specific bet was triggered by the odds provider, they should pay the player and apologize for what they did. They should be professional.

[moving my original inquiry here instead on the flag support/oppositon request thread in order not to pollute the thread with a bit oot topic]


NateShaw, mind to provide what icopress asked above. Or, if you already forward it, icopress, mind to confirm? I'll try to reach Noah and explain the situation and hopefully we can sort everything out, now with a flag on their profile.

Unless there is solid evidence of wrongdoing on your part, what on earth is Shuffle doing by returning the initial amount yet not paying you any winnings?

If Stake have confirmed there were no problems with the provider in the same instance as Shuffle claimed there was, it means Shuffle is scamming.

I will also support the flag, leave negative feedback and distrust the Shuffle account (ndumm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3466374)) unless they reply with an acceptable explanation soon.

uhh is that from a shuffle REP ?

if they dont want people to bet on this 'trash' why do they offer it on site ??
So its fine if people lose but if anyone wins they can call is shady and TRASH.

Guess only they are allowed to make money from such TRASH, guarantee the markets of next matches of the same teams/tournament will still be available

It's as per OP's request, for his wager to be returned while waiting for investigation to be done instead of getting it returned plus or minus winning following a verdict.

I conveyed the request to Shuffle and they agreed.



Umm... there might be a bigger and more complex story here. Noah just begin giving me his side of the puzzle to piece together. I have to pause our conversation because I have RL matter to handle, but I'm nudging him again now.

Hopefully I'll get a more complete story when he returned my nudge and we can have another sit together.

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For the time being though OP, NateShaw, mind to confirm their narrative that you had a prior situation with them back in February? A confirmation or denial about this will be much appreciated as it'll help me piece the puzzle.

Again an attempt to dodge the question at hand by them using what-aboutism. That situation has nothing to do with the current bet.
In fact During the last one month, I've helped them spot bad actors on Shuffle myself and this is what I get in return.

If this is true, then it was something so unfair. What was the point of refunding the balance if it wasn't withdrawable?

Did you friend bother opening a complaint i this forum or other platforms such as CasinoGuru?

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Despite spending thousands in advertisement, Shuffle might be shooting themselves in the foot by making shady decisions. Not a smart move in the long run. Let me wait for the full part of the story on either sides.

Hi guys,

I will lay out the following key findings for the bet placed by N8snathan on FC Poltava and Zorya Luhansk we have that lead us to believe that this bet is a fixed bet beyond any reasonable doubt.

Key Finding 1: N8snathan has bet fixed matches before

In October 2024, N8sathan specifically requested markets on Tomescu v Milojevic (ATP Challengers) - we didn't have this market listed due to integrity concerns raised by our provider. This was a red flag, but no bet was placed so we were lucky there.

In February 2025, N8sathan bet Albot Radu vs Kaylan Bigun. This was a fixed match, flagged by integrity services. As a result, his limits were pulled and we voided the bets. N8snathan acknowledged this at the time.

Key Finding 2: N8snathan has ties to match-fixing rings

After his limits were cut in February, N8snathan reached out offering information on other users that may be betting on fixes. He claimed to have this knowledge through a Russian match-fixing group that he was a part of, and proceeded to give information on users who I will not name for their privacy. These flags by him were correct.

As a result of his help, we wrongly assumed he would no longer be involved in these bets and increased his limits once more.

Key Finding 3: Suspicious betting patterns

- N8snathan's bets immediately preceding this flagged bet ranged in size from $35 to $300. Out of nowhere, he increased his size drastically to $30,000.
- N8snathan has never bet on Ukrainian football, or any football that is not Tier-1; generally he bets on tennis, and occasionally Tier-1 football (EPL)

- Another suspicious account initially raised the flag on this match for us 7 minutes before N8snathan placed his bet
- This account was a completely new account, only ever bet this match, the exact same market that N8snathan bet, betting the maximum they could get down
- The other suspicious account was voided in the same way that N8snathan was, we have not heard from them (which would only make sense if they knew why this would be flagged)

Key Finding 4: The teams involved in this bet have been investigated by police for fixing matches before

https://www.espn.com.sg/soccer/story/_/id/37554992/match-fixing-raids-launched-champions-league-final-ukraine-police

Key Finding 5: N8snathan failed to prove ownership of the wallet in which the funds were sent to Shuffle from

The funds received by N8snathan have never interacted with any wallets that are known as his. N8snathan had a discussion with our Head of Sports who requested he show video proof of ownership of the funds which were used to deposit in order to alleviate our match fixing concerns; N8snathan refused.

A lot of the time fixed matches are bet using other people/groups' funds, we correctly assumed that N8snathan would not be able to show ownership of the sending wallet as a result.


Key Note 1: We have paid out over $11M worth of withdrawals for N8snathan in the lifetime of his account

It does not make sense for us to flag a $30k bet on a user as big as this unless we have solid suspicion that the bet placed was fraudulent.

Key Note 2: We have taken over 650 individual sports bets for N8snathan, and voided 2 of them for integrity concerns

One was the first confirmed fixed bet, the other was this one.

Key Note 3: We reached out to our provider to flag integrity concerns

We reached out to our provider flagging that we believed this match was fixed, they responded saying that they did not have proof to conclusively determine that the bet was a fixed market. In saying that, we remain firm in our stance that we believe that with everything we know about this user and the way that the bets were placed, we are confident that the user knew the result of this bet before placing it. Fixed matches happen more frequently than you would expect, and usually they don't get flagged by providers since they're getting more sophisticated in covering their tracks.

We very clearly state in our Sports Terms of Service:

In the event that a match is suspected of being fixed, manipulated, or otherwise compromised, Shuffle reserves the right to withhold settlement of any affected bets until a full integrity review has been completed. This process may require extended time depending on the nature and scope of the investigation, including the involvement of official sporting bodies or regulatory authorities. If, upon conclusion of the investigation, a match is determined to have been fixed or its integrity otherwise compromised, Shuffle reserves the right to void any and all bets related to that event, regardless of whether the outcome had been decided at the time of bet placement or settlement.

Shuffle may also void bets at its sole discretion where credible suspicion of manipulation exists, even in the absence of official confirmation.

In this case, we strongly believe we are correct in our assessment of this bet. We recently have been targeted heavily by match-fixers, and we are establishing that we do not tolerate fixed bets; additionally, we have a strong trading presence internally who thankfully caught this where our provider couldn't. We utilise a 3rd party consultant for integrity, who we are unable to name due to their connections in that industry, who also advised us that this is highly likely a suspicious outcome.

Unfortunately, N8snathan wiped all of his messages with all of us before creating this thread, so most of the recreation of these events is based on internal logs we have. At no point has he been able to alleviate any of our concerns that this is not a fixed match. At the very least, if he could just prove that the funds that he received in his Shuffle account are from a wallet that belongs to him, it will go a long way in addressing the concerns we have.

I have 650 bets on site and another 350 bets easily through manual bets. So a history of abusing the platform translates to 1 bet in a thousand and 1 bet I have not even placed? I was asked by David the origin of the specific shady pick, which I’ve provided promptly recently.

This is a lie, I’ve offered information on an account that was sold to a Ruski who needed accounts with limits, as I knew the account’s previous owner and they owed me money. Not sure how that has been twisted into me being part of this ring. I have never been to, nor speak a word of Russian.

Not sure how betting $30,000 is suspicious when I’ve bet $100,000 per bet prior to this on multiple occasions and even $1,000,000 a few times. As for being an obscure market for me to bet on, I’ve bet on very obscure markets before too: from FIFA to Badminton to Chinese basketball.

An article from 7 years ago, with an investigation that led nowhere, is not the revelation that you think it is. You can find such articles about some of the biggest athletes too.

I refused? I provided the video proof to him as he requested, the moment he asked for it. I also offered to sign a message of his choice or send a transaction to an address of his choice from the address I deposited. This is a straight-up lie.
https://files.catbox.moe/kgibsz.jpg

So it was a lie all along that the provider flagged the bet. The first thing I was told was the provider flagged the bet. But in fact, it was you guys flagging the bet yourselves, then asking the provider if there was suspicious activity. You are also stating that the provider cleared the bet of suspicion, and upon my own research, 2 other providers have cleared the bet of any suspicion as well. So somehow you claim your internal trading team is better than 3 different providers? And it was not Radar Integrity Services that flagged the bet as David claimed to me.
https://files.catbox.moe/kx1oyk.jpg

I included your manual bets in the 650. You also had a spate of past-posted bets that our provider raised with us in September 2024.

So that is one confirmed fixed match bet, one confirmed string of past-posted bets, one enquiry about an obscure market that was confirmed to be fixed, and now this recent bet. Most users have 0 fixed/past-posted bets recorded, and it is very difficult to stumble into a fixed bet as they are on smaller markets that don't usually see action.



Messages from N8snathan referring to 'that russian fixer', unfortunately he deleted the rest of the conversation: https://files.catbox.moe/9budz2.png



If you can send through a video of you accessing the wallet that the deposit came from, starting with 4BiZx4, that will resolve one of the core issues we have. I was forwarded the video you sent, it shows you sending money to that wallet but does not show ownership of the wallet itself, which is important - when requested for proof of the actual wallet itself, this is the response we received: https://files.catbox.moe/dmrmy9.png


Thanks

Brought out of context, I was reporting being approached to David and spinning this to make me look like I was part of this instead is in very bad faith. Sets a precedent that, it is better to stay silent than report being approached by such individuals.

It can be provided now that it has come to this. In the message I also clearly state that I can sign a message or send a test transaction. After this message Shuffle completely ceased communication with me while I tried to get in contact multiple times.

I've sent the proof of funds to Noah via Telegram.

At this point, their responses have shifted into whataboutism, but the original issues I raised remain completely valid:

1. They falsely claimed the provider flagged the bet – when in reality, they flagged it themselves.

2. They're continuing to pursue this independently, despite three separate providers confirming the bet was clean.

3. They kept the markets open even after blocking my withdrawals for this specific game, suggesting an intent to void winning bets while keeping losing ones. No other platform removed this market. The below screenshot is from Shuffle 45min after they blocked my withdrawals for betting on this exact same game.
https://files.catbox.moe/gleyqm.jpg

My point being why would they do it?

If there was scam activity going on, why would they return the deposits while the investigation was still ongoing? They should have allowed the investigation to be completed and then take a course of action. It is a highly unusual step that might be rare or never have happened before in this forum.

If there is more to this story, at the moment it seems to be about Shuffle/Noah/ndumm trying to find excuses to seize his funds. Yes it might be a small amount in comparison to previously large payouts but this seems to be about Noah using Shuffle unfairly to target the OP.

That is true. Having said that, I hope you press him on the following.

The OP and ndumm (Noah) have gambled away from the forum and are known to each other. Noah it seems unfairly and probably illegally seized control of the OPs Shuffle account until they settled a private poker debt unrelated to Shuffle. Noah also did the same to a friend of the OP in order to blackmail him. This immediately raises alarms.

Also, if Stake have stated that particular event had zero flags or concerns from the sports provider, why did Shuffle cite it as an excuse to withhold payment owed to the OP?

I would like to know what Shuffle/Noah have to present as a counter argument.

I am not impressed with the Shuffle owner blocking the account of the OP because he had to pay a debt that was between them playing poker privately (not even on the Shuffle website). It seems in order to blackmail the OP, it Noah even blocked the account of the OPs friend. If true, this is completely unacceptable conduct.

This is fine, past is past. I'd rather focus on the only thing that matters currently. The legitimacy of the last bet I've placed.

Noah asked for a screen-recording from me, but none of the Shuffle staff have viewed the screen-recording I've sent; in the past 24 hours.

I am not going to be responding or reacting further to any replies from them here. They can reach me privately and I'm sure they know how to.

My wife is pretty mad already, and she scares me more than anything Noah can put me through.

Reputed brands like Shuffle must refrain from publishing any private conversation openly. It only harms the reputation no matter what the outcome of case would be. There must be a distinction between when player in individual capacity shares screenshots of conversation and a casino going all in against a player (no matter right or wrong)
It is very embarrassing for anyone to called out in a public regarding family matters.   

Shuffle deserve an award for contradicting themselves with every word they speak. I just found this old message from their sports head David where he says I bet random games including third world soccer. David also calls all my action from last September legit.
https://files.catbox.moe/oq1roe.jpg

Apologies for the delay on this response, I have been doing some digging. There will be an update shortly that will close this case, proving that N8snathan knowingly bet on a fixed outcome and has been intentionally dragging our name through the mud here.


As an aside, it has been an incredibly disappointing experience on this forum that a new account can come and sling a false sports scam accusation at us and within the span of 2 days, our entire brand on the forum has taken a hit.


We have been operating in this space for nearly 3 years, we have learned the ropes around offering a sportsbook and identifying suspicious bets. It's not easy, and most new platforms can attest that if you don't know what to look for, then you'll get abused very hard. To have members of the forum who don't know anything about running a sportsbook or what a fixed bet looks like trying to tell us what is or is not suspicious is very frustrating. If I have seemed unprofessional or disrespectful at any point in this thread, I apologise - it can be quite tiring dealing with known scammers who will do whatever they can to tarnish your name. As well as that, due to the nature of these bets, we are in a tricky position; when we flagged the bet, we had a high degree of certainty with all the facts we had that it was a suspicious bet, but it is difficult to convey those details to anyone who is not involved in our platform or has no knowledge of running a sportsbook.


As I mentioned previously, most centralised forum/review sites will not touch sports complaints because they understand that there is a significant amount of nuance when it comes to these cases. I would recommend that Bitcointalk adopt the same framework, otherwise you'll quickly become the hub for where sports abusers come to raise a ruckus and attempt to get fraudulent bets paid.

Those in the fixing world know that there are some fixed bets which are characterised as '100% clean', meaning that providers will not raise flags. N8snathan was told that this bet was 100% clean, which is why he's fighting it so hard and is obviously convinced we have no proof that it was a fix. Unfortunately for him, we do have proof. I'm deciding on the best way of getting that to you all.

The DefaultTrust system is older than Shuffle.com. I don’t have the budget, nor can I afford to pay a five-figure fee just to recover $34,000. I believe it’s only fair to publicly disclose the usernames of DefaultTrust members who offered their services in exchange for money to you. All I did was post in the "Request Support for Flag" thread and present the facts—along with evidence—to any members who requested it.

Make sure this so-called proof is not a doctored screenshot with no timestamps. Preferrably a screen recording from a mobile device. Screenshots from Web Telegram HTML version, could be edited/faked within 2min using inspect element. Please cite your source as well. Thank You.

If I find your proof convincing enough. I'm going to accept my fault and take down the flag myself.

The good news is that DT supporters of the flag can rescind their support if they see compelling evidence from your side. IMHO it is a bit hasty to support the flag as this thread is only 5 days old.


Obviously DT aren't supposed to be doing this. Would you mind making a screenshot of the message you received including the name of the sender? My instinct is that you are being contacted by a scammer as is what happened recently here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5557705.msg65771120#msg65771120).


We are already a hub for that. We have been for like 5 years. However, that doesn't mean every complaint raised here against a sportsbook is fraudulent.

This excellent news. If you have anything of substance that proves the OP has made false and malicious accusations against you and Shuffle, his forum account will be rendered useless and your reputation will be restored. Having said that, at the moment it seems your counter-claim against the OP is flawed.

You have already changed your story from stating the sports provder raised the issue/flag with Shuffle to admitting you blocked the OPs account first and then decided to contact the sports provider. Your version of events was already called in to question when the Stake owner stated the sports provider did not raise any flags/concerns with that particular situation.

I think you have to shoulder some responsibility here. You have changed your version of events at least once and it does not look good on part of any business to do that.

Also, your first response in this thread was somewhat condescending because to post a counter-claim without any evidence (expecting others to simply accept your word) was another error.

Of those that have supported the flag, there are four that are on DT. If what you claim is true, either you have been contacted by one of them (highly unlikely) or you have been contacted by someone pertaining to be one of them (highly likely) using a similar member name.

I doubt this would have happened on the forum via PM, it might be something prevalent on Telegram. A screenshot will help shed light on the situation.

Many of us are looking forward to studying the proof when you post it. Could you also provide an explanation why you were not truthful when you stated the sports provider alerted you to concern/flag when the reality is you blocked the OPs account without their request/advice/intervention.

I decided to refrain from supporting the flag and leaving negative feedback because for me it was important to get both sides of the story. If the Stake owner contradicted your version of events, I suppose that alongside the OPs claim would ordinarily meet the criteria to support the flag however I would prefer to understand the other side of the story before opposing/supporting the flag.

I am glad you are taking an active approach. If the OP has lied/cheated, I am sure the feedback against you will be removed and flag will be opposed. However, if you fail to materialise with credible verifiable evidence and as a result incur a number of negative feedback, you really will not be able to shift the blame elsewhere.

It may be that these were scammers reaching out claiming they could influence DT/flags - I have edited my initial message about it because I don’t have clarity on who it was/whether it was genuine.

Update will come tomorrow on the rest.

Definitely scammers... Similar to those crypto recovery chaps who reach out to victims claiming they can recover the money but have to pay up some upfront fees. DT feedback can't just be bought like that and in case of any manipulations, it would easily get noticed.

I know the system is not 100% perfect because manipulators appear once in a while, but they do get noticed.

About this case, some members may have acted because of a number of accusations that sprung up with no clear explanations from your side, but the feedback can be reversed after proper clarification.

Following this case closely.

I managed to partially identify this guy (I think I'm right).

I found a Twitter account with almost the same username as the one in the screenshot you mentioned. What are the chances that this is an empty account that is subscribed to BC? Then I checked who is subscribed to this account and saw another profile that made an accusation against another casino (it is unlikely that accounts that have never posted will subscribe to each other). At the same time, on casinoguru (https://casinoguru-en.com/forum/complaints-discussion/gamdom-locked-my-1-35m-usd) he conducts correspondence from two accounts at once (watersound11 and Gomez6989).

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/09/06/Unj9QJ.png

I contacted the CEO of Gamdom to try to find out the email address or any other details about this case. If there is more information, I will let you know.

I am sure no DT would support/oppose any flag for money. If they get caught, they will get negative feedback in return, and they will be kicked out of the DT network. There are a few hundred DT forum members, and let's say they would oppose the flag with a couple of accounts. That won't change anything. Other DT members would support the flag, and it would remain active.

You have to convince half of the supporters that you are right. Only then will they remove their support from the flag. So as other forum members already mentioned, the scammers tried to get some money from you. I hope you didn't pay them anything. As for this case, you should use a mediator service if you have proof against this player.

I always have issue when books do this.

They will claim certain players/sports are fixed and then still put up TT lines, and these have some of the highest limits on their site, except markets like EPL NFL NBA etc

Obviously means they will let people lose money on these markets, but if someone wins money they will claim it was fixed and shit. what a load of BS

I’d like to clear up the air regarding this case. After speaking with Shuffle directly, they presented clear evidence that the bet in question was indeed fixed. I now understand that my earlier assumptions were incorrect.

For context, I’ve been using an AI-based bet tracker to monitor bets from winning punters across multiple sites and tailed their action. While using such a tool is completely legal, it seems it picked up a fixed bet, which led to the confusion.

I want to apologize to Shuffle for any false accusations. That was not my intention, and I take responsibility for jumping the gun.

That said, I do believe the situation could have been handled with a bit more professionalism and communication early on. Still, I appreciate them taking the time to clear things up.

Lesson learned on my end. Appreciate everyone’s understanding.

Good to see things got cleared finally. So it seems Shuffle was indeed right that it was a fixed match. Good to see you have apologized. Now the flag must be removed.

Interesting!
So my question is - why didn't you admit this in the first place? The Shuffle team said that your average betting was between $75 - $300 in the 650 bets, and you suddenly increased the amount to $30K, which was the first red flag for them. You demanded that they return the bet amount while the investigation was ongoing, and you confirmed that they returned your stake before the investigation ended. You created the flag once you got your funds, but were waiting for the winnings to settle. DT members supported the flag, and it is now active.

The damage has been done already. I believe your apology means nothing to the Shuffle team anymore. The DT members barely check the flags that they support. But in this specific case, I see a group of DT members supported the flag, and they are unlikely to withdraw it since the guy is a rival of the Shuffle campaign manager, and people who supported the flag are aliases of that campaign manager.

I would grab some popcorn, ready to watch a drama. LOL