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Physical casinos used to be able to be played without an account and just cash. This was one of the main advantages.
But probably they realized that tracking player habits even on the individual level was too valuable to miss and started making player accounts mandatory.

Now to play at any machine at a physical casino, you can't just drip some cash in, you need to insert a card.
This way the casino knows who has played what, which game you won what on etc.

I'm having a suspicion some casinos might even use their ability to track player to lure new players in with bigger wins only at first runs with small balances. What do you think?

I don't know whether it is to track the player's wagering habit but what I know is it is to make them forget how much they are wagering, once they reload the money into the card they just keep on wagering for one more time when it's a win and when it is a loss but that might be less when we use real hard cash. The same logic of swiping cards and pay with real cash at the cash counter, there is difference and some kind of guilt feel will be there when we spend more that what we planned if we count and pay them.

There exist also some casinos who still let you deposit cash but winnings are put in your balance which as you say again is very easy to spend a digital balance without considering how much you're depositing physically. It's just the press of s button to lose it.

So even the casinos with the old machines thought to upgrade them to membership cards machines while still keeping the cash slot for the initial deposit.

Depends on how that card is being used, but even if they track your activity I don’t think it’s a big deal. You’re still playing under their system anyway they already know who’s winning and who’s losing.

The main purpose of those casino cards is really just to make things more convenient for players, which in turn makes you gamble more. Nothing deeper than that, I guess. Whether it turns out good or bad really depends on how we handle it.

We know that when something changes at a physical casino, they must have something behind it... but I think it's more about tracking user activity, because using the card means the casino can monitor players playing habits, the games they spend on, and many other things, and all this information is very important for the casino's marketing strategy and business operations.
And for users, this might make it easier for them to play, as they can deposit money onto the card, and rewards, bonuses, and various offers will be automatically credited to their account. but we are aware that it can also cause players to lose control over their spending and playtime-- with easy deposits and tracking of rewards, players might be tempted to play longer, which would be increasingly beneficial for the casino in the long run.

We don’t know exactly if that speculation is true but I believe the main purpose of member card is for AML policy requirements to track player spending to avoid potential money laundering.

This records is helpful for local authorities in case they are suspecting someone for money laundering. A recent case on Philippines that a corrupt government official use casino to launder stolen funds from the government.

Additionally, it’s for the VIP benefits tracker.

That will be a risky move for them, and there's a chance it won't work. The gamblers who played at that physical casino with small balances could exit after winning, which means losses for the casino. There's no assurance they will be back to gamble more. It's not like it is an online casino that could be accessed as often as we want.

Physical casinos are mostly far from residential areas because of the area restriction rules. It will be a big gamble for them if they let them win just to lure them back or other gamblers to the casino.

You made an important point. I never thought of it this way. I thought membership cards were only for debit or credit. It can track you because they can read your records. If casinos use these tracking techniques, it should be a crime, but it might be happening without you knowing.
I doubt that casinos can track those gamblers and do any manipulation because most of the technology in physical casinos is still behind. Most casinos favor new gamblers.

There’s no way it’s a crime to track their players records especially expenses on the casino. It’s their responsibility to do it as part of being a regulated casino.

It’s a crime if they release their players records especially expenses to do public without their consent but on this case this just a regular tracker.

I’m also curious how a physical casino can allow players to win big as if they have control on the all their game results because their machine and facility typically being audited by a license provider.

Like you said, the casinos are just trying to make sure that they keep statistics of their customers physical customers, same way they have records of their online customers. It's just about gathering database. I don't believe that the casino intention of doing this is to lure new players by giving them big wins, or are you trying to say that it is the casinos that decide if gamblers should win bets or not?

I don't know if it's that deep, everywhere I go these days, it's all digital cash, and rarely a cash is being used. I think it's just evolution. Even from user perspective, digital payments are easier to keep track of compared to cash (this sounds as if I responded in economics section).


Do you mean casinos manipulating results in user's favor at first? If so, that's shady, and one should stay away from such casinos.

Since I also frequented local casinos, yes I have a physical card that I've used to play and earn points. I just do insert in on the machine let's say in slot games or give it to the dealer in games live baccarat and roulette. It's obvious that this card can track which games you regularly played and obviously, they can send you sms to give you updates on new games and what not.

So I do agree that this is being used to track your activity and then you lure you. One thing I'm positive though is that you are earning points and then you can convert this point to real money and play, sort of rakeback like in online. I say positive because my wife was able to win big thru that points in one of those days and went home very happy.

It seems like casino owners are implementing additional rules. Yeah, I agree with your assumption above. At first glance, this improved pattern seems elegant, as you already have a membership card and can collect the small rewards they offer. However, the downside is also present because we're easily tracked and read because everything is automatically entered into their database.

Maybe It's better to bring small amounts of money and play sparingly, even if there are rewards, just ignore them rather than continue to be trapped by their small prizes, which will encourage us to play even more.

Nowadays, all companies use aggressive marketing, not just casinos. Companies nowadays don't care about their customers' privacy. They want to know everything about their customers so they can offer what they need or want, and that way, companies can have regular customers. The struggle of companies nowadays is to have regular customers, someone they know will consume their product constantly.

Casinos also want regular customers, especially customers who have a lot of money to spend at the casino. That's why they keep offering VIP cards to rich and regular customers with exclusive benefits so that the rich don't stop using the casino constantly.

Things are going virtual nowadays and the physical brick and mortar casinos are not an exception to this fact to the longest running industry.
They are simply changing with the times and now more than ever with A.I taking away jobs from those industry workers are more prevalent in it's history.

Just seen a live dealer show up on a live casino stream but in an animated form.
This is a new concept that I have been interested in following for awhile now.
And all the sudden the other day this wish had been granted with Animo Sky Roulette and Port Roulette.

Thats not the case in our country. I can play on casino even not registering with them. I dont know if theres a require membership if were to chip in some money (minimum) but so far I didnt asked to register for that purpose but they encourage users to register to br able to take advantage of the perks of being a member. If the casino got some suspicious approach like that then people will be hesitant. Maybe for some in other countries.

Lol, no, physical cards in the casino are used to understand your betting pattern. If it is being used then everyone will be required to have the card, it's not a requirement so for sure you haven't been in one land base casinos.

You can even fake your identity if you wanted to and get that card. In the Philippines they uses fake identity right?

VIP and regular players are too different as well. Like in online, VIP has certain level that you need to achieved and you should be playing in the VIP section of the casino although you can go out and play in the regular table.

It's used is to really track the games you played and then offered you perks for free hotel accomodations or used your points and get freebies.

That's correct, I have cards in our local casinos, but sometimes I will forgot it and play or there were days that I will forget to removed it in last slot games that I played then I will get another one the next time that I will play, and everything is intact, with my points in it.

So it's not like everyone that goes to the casino will have to registered. Maybe others see it as a privilege, but maybe there are some who are concern about the casinos knowing them that's why they played without the card.

Casinos moving from pure cash play to player accounts and cards is part of a larger shift toward data tracking and customer profiling years ago the appeal of physical casinos was the anonymity you could walk in with cash, play, win or lose, and walk out without leaving a trace now most major casinos want to know exactly who is playing, what games they prefer, how long they stay, and how much they spend all that information helps them design loyalty programs, adjust machine settings, and even tailor promotions to individual habits. The suspicion that casinos might use player tracking to manipulate early wins isn’t impossible but it’s hard to prove legally machines and digital systems are regulated to maintain certain payout percentages however, casinos are businesses and they do use psychological tactics to keep players engaged new or returning players might notice streaks of small wins early on, not because the machine is “rigged,” but because of random variance combined with reward patterns designed to encourage more play.

In some countries the system is stricter and you must have a membership card for almost everything even inserting cash requires one that’s mainly for tax and anti money laundering regulations not just marketing but in other places like yours, it’s optional members get perks like free spins, meals, or hotel discounts while others can still play anonymously if they prefer.

If a membership card means you will have to provide personal information, that must be bad. Having a membership card means you'll have an account in the casino. Although aliases are a common thing--even the casino itself would facilitate your membership with fake identities--it's probably giving you problems in the long run. It could even be used by the casino against you in the event of conflict.

I wonder why everything has a membership card nowadays, even stores and pizzeria have it.

I guess the membership card has level by level on each card. For example, a normal membership card, VIP card, and VVIP card. Meaning the reason for the membership card isn't to give gamblers a bettor feeling when they are gambling in the casino. I believe there are very good reasons for the idea but the two reasons I can wrap my head around are security and interest. The casino's intention is to offer security and privacy for gambler at the same time, they put in effort to give the different level of gamblers a unique experience to gamble more so that they will make more profit.

Wow so you have the card mate. On which casino you played? Im playing on Solaire North in QC never yet tried to register, but what does the point advantage of registering? Ive seen some users who played using their cards it seems the prime advantage is those pts can be converted probably to hotel accomodations. But is there much more good stuff there besides that?

I share same opinion with you, I don't think the member card is to lure new players but also to take record of what is really happening at the casino, like when their numbers of new customers are increasing or reducing and also to know about their customer retention rate too, because there are some players that would visit the casino maybe twice and you won't see them again. They probably want to track all of that.

Is that card like a loyalty card? If so, then yeah, it kinda turns you into a regular gambler since you’ll end up playing more often.

Honestly though, I think it’s not that bad that’s just how I see it now as a responsible gambler. If the card gives benefits like points, freebies, or rewards, then it’s worth taking advantage of. After all, as long as you’re disciplined and know your limits, there’s really no harm in it.

I have never seen this system so I don't understand what kind of card you are talking about. Are you talking about a membership card that allows you to enter the casino. And there will be a few categories of cards that will indicate the VIP level of the players or are you talking about game-based cards? I have never seen such a system and nowadays, when you can easily access any type of casino game online, why go to a physical casino which is time-consuming and you can't keep your gambling hidden.

Your word of tracking means casino want to know the customer hence KYC which is the number 1 requirements for AML policy. They give perks on your wager and at the same time to have a clear records on your bet.

It’s the way of the casino to force player to KYC through rewards. Don’t tell me you can get this card without providing ID? KYC is part of AML policy.

Sometimes it’s good to understand the law if you are sharing info publicly.
Read the amlc under (T)monetary instruments :

FYI what you said is correct too.

This is the new trend in the era of surveillance capitalism we're living: transferring the practice of tracking the customers' habits from the virtual world also to the physical one.

In my country we can still play just with cash in most physical casinos and bookmakers, but I've started seeing the use of (anonymous, as long as you don't charge them with a credit card) cards in arcades. But due to new regulations, to avoid minors access casinos, you have to scan your ID the first time you enter one, and use biometrics the following times, so I guess that it's just a matter of time they will start tracking our gambling behaviour too.

Some require you to deposit cash and buy your slots to play. If you want to withdraw the money you spent when purchasing the slots, they will set a new requirement. If you can meet their requirement, you can cancel your deposited money. I think that casinos that require cash deposits and have a requirement when withdrawing money because of this, every casino player loses their money while fulfilling that requirement. Very few casino players can meet their requirements and withdraw their money. I think this can also be a trap.

Yes, physical casinos some users use member cards in casinos, but many also do not use player cards, in my experience and to my knowledge, Although many people generally believe that they can track users in their gambling activities, I am sure that it cannot influence users in any form.

Gamblers who use player cards are the same as those who don't use cards, it doesn't affect the outcome whatsoever, winning and losing are still part of gambling. In my understanding, tracking software cannot influence them in playing slot machines, whether you gamble using a player's card or not, as well as promotions, bonuses, offers or whatever else is involved in gambling, if you win you are paid, if you lose, you lose.

Somehow I am not surprise that offline casino do that kind of stuff to track how gamblers use their money, how they gamble. Years ago gambling was more wild. Now everything and everyone wants statistics. That is not only about casino wanting to track gamblers activity. Look how dependable from data we became. We truck everything as well. Our bonus level, bonus points, steps made, distance covered, amount water we drink, calories we spend and gain, and what games we play, our win rate and etc.

I think this is more of a security enhancement by the casino. I remember watching a documentary before that mentioned reports of gamblers trying to rig slot machines  and even with CCTV everywhere, some still managed to slip through. So with this card system, they can track everything you do inside. It’s actually useful for them, especially during investigations whenever suspicious activity is detected.

Solaire North, the newest one in QC is very far from my place mate. I have my very old RW (Resorts World) now it is called Newport World Resorts Manila. Then I have the COD (City of Dreams). I sometimes go in Okada or Solaire in Paranaque but I haven't tried to get a card as I usually go to RW or COD.

Some points you can convert it to play. In RW, before I used my points to redeems some items from them, like hoodies and stuff.

While in COD, I got a hotel accomodations, and then they have raffles. And then I have friends that have voucher that sometimes we do sell to some individuals or friends if they needed like a room.

How's the ambience in Solaire North though, maybe I will give it a try one of this days.  :)

Oh they also have this kind of tier in terms of the card. Obviously, the bigger the money that you spend on casinos, the better the tier of your card and more benefits.

Probably it's the same as having mandated KYC on most crypto base casino right now, your provide your name, and personal id.

And you won't believed that there's even this superstitious belief that having a card, the casino's doesn't want you to win. So it's better not to apply one. And I do agree on some comments that is this card is to track you. It will not mention how big you have lost already, but casinos knows what games you always played and so they can concentrate on that and then started to offer you games that you want to try and so you will comeback on them.

Maybe they can used it against you if let's say they find you cheating and then totally ban you from entering their premises.

Well, the online gambling casinos usually have VIP accounts with benefits that come with them, so it really is not a new strategy to track or market differently to certain kinds of users than others.

They use that data for marketing and other purposes, but that same thing exists with any industry.

There is no conspiracy. Just more and more industries that track user data more agressively than in the past.

It's about technology, people are now prefer cashless, hence the casino now use card over cash, it also gives benefit to both casino and government because gambler who use card might encourage to spend more money and the government have better way to track it's citizen.

Since cashless only gives advantage for the gamble to not carry the money, I see it's worse than better if we value the benefit and the risk of cashless.

Member cards for anything are not good. You are letting them generate data and track your behavior. Furthermore in this case it gives your subconscious more reasons to gamble because it acts like an investment of effort and a membership of sorts. It increases the chances that you will gamble more than you want to or than your bankroll or gambling strategy planned for. Don't do it!

In pretty much every membership program the user is giving much more away than they are receiving so it is not a good deal. I definitely can't recommend any of these if people care about privacy or free will. These things are very manipulative. People even think they are getting good deals out of them as if selling $500 worth of data to get a $50 gift is a good deal..

Games like blackjack, roulette or poker can be played directly with cash. In some games, it is mandatory to take a card to get the offer in the case of card or token. So, while playing, you should start playing by looking at the writing on the machine or table. And even if newbies don't know these things, old ones play by paying attention to these things.

Your suspicion is largely true because casinos definitely track players and want to increase play for new or small balance players with targeted offers. But targeting a specific player by increasing the machine payout and "winning big on the first run" is usually strictly prohibited by law, but still many casino owners consider it legitimate for their own benefit and profit. In most cases, they use free credits, bonuses or marketing tricks to attract players, and sometimes big first-time wins happen due to RNG, which they do intentionally to create a good impression.

I think it's less likely used for rigging wins, wouldn't really make sense because if that was ever found to be true the casino would be shut down. Too big a risk for them when they already have a license to print money. House edge takes care of everything.

They use the card to see what games are over or underperforming so they can make decisions on whet they need more or less of. Only think your name does is rack up comp points and get tickets for raffles and giveaways.

I doubt you will consider playing on land based casino if you prefer privacy since it’s a public place while all your games are being recorded with the casino CCTV.

You should stay playing online casino if you value privacy the most. Not getting this perks while you are dealing with high house edge of the land based casino games is such a waste.

However, it’s a case to case basis on user preferences but for me it should be avail.

Idk man, even the idea itself is a hit or miss. It’s either a feeling of community or it’s gonna be the reminder of how stupid of an addict you are. I feel like a lot of people would try to hide it if the card was a thing.

I think so too. Both physical and online casinos have data on their players wins, and losses. That is why casinos have statistics data, or leaderboards. Personally, I don't think it is a biggie at all, as long as the casino offers a fair system in each of their games. By the way, I also believe any casino wants to keep its players enjoy, so I don't think activity tracking is intended for any unfair purposes. It would be different if a casino did not have a good reputation, or did not offer a fair system in their games, where they had indications of possible cheating.

There's value on it, unless the casino is not trustable then there's a possibility that they might be using those details agains the end users, but if the casino already have good reputation they value their customers and they wanted to have them keep going back, there's no use of doing any possibility of doiing something fishy but instead give them that space and enjoyment to have them bring more deposit to the business.

Data is the new gold, they can use it however they want and I am pretty sure they will share with an analytics company to identify their high-value customers and offer them extra perks to retain their engagement. Once something goes on recods there can be no assurance that it is not used in the way we don't like it.

It is one of the reason why crypto casinos became popular a decade ago, it was completely anonymous and users can just deposit and withdraw there will be no records but those days are long gone now.

i do believe this is made for convenience and a little bit of marketing strategy involved as well as i am guessing there will be points that are collected in the cards so it looks like that they have integrated online gambling with physical gambling this kind of system is not that new to me though because in arcades there are cards we have to buy and load in which we will use to play around

Well, it's better for the casino to have a card so they can easily track their players. I'm not sure if casinos take more than that, but I think it's more convenient for the players because they don't have to verify KYC or anything else that could prevent them from entering a casino. Since we all know how strict casino regulations are, having a card makes it easier to access the casino. The good news is that most casinos have loyalty programs, so by using the card, you'll earn something like a bonus or points that you can redeem, which is part of marketing strategy.

It might only be worse if you fall into addiction; it is not because of the card but because of yourself.

We have to remember that data is the most valuable thing in the world today and this is the case in all fields. In this regard, whether it is a physical casino or an online casino, all casinos try to track the data of the users by creating a member ID or account through which they present the casino services to those players according to their activity with various promotional messages.
In this regard, of course, there is a marketing strategy behind implementing this card system in physical casinos today, where they can retain players for more spending by getting to know them.

The house edge is not just restricted to odds in favor of the house. Other ways these casinos can use to lure in customers and especially those with big pockets, is to make them stay by making them feel lucky at their first few tries with reward bonuses and multipliers to their accounts.

It's a good strategy really by these casinos, because for me, I wouldn't even dare say I feel lucky at a new casino I just discovered, but am sure with great rewards and mouth watering bonuses, I might just become the most popular casino goers or most notable player for a long time yet.

I am not sure where you play, but in where i live that's happening because of casinos are following the law, and kyc is mandatory, even for physical slot machines. Or they could be preparing for it, and logical first step is to build the system ready for it.

Other then that, it's a matter of opinion i guess. Cash anonymity had it perks, especially if you prefer physical cash in everyday life. I don't hold it too much ever on me anymore, after i got robbed. These days i don't think even robbers think you have cash on you.

But lack of possibility to use slot machines is least of the problems when it comes to not being able to use cash.

Exactly. Cards offer all the advantage to the casino and none to you.

For instance, let's say you had cash in your wallet and wanted to play. There's a limit of how much you'd have with you. Either it would be due to your wallet size, or the amount of cash you feel safe carrying, or just the limit that you've decided to impose on yourself when you left home. If your member card has a credit card assigned to it, the only limit is on the card and that's usually going to be higher than the cash you carry.
You feel it when you put cash into a machine and it doesn't come back, but you don't feel balance being subtracted from a card.

Then there's data, KYC and all that...

This is the most plausible answer I have read thus far. Casinos don’t even know who’s going to win and who’s going to lose, they don’t control the outcome of each accounts if they do then they’ll be able to control the win and loses of those who usually wager huge amounts on a single bet. The system was built in a way that the casino would have the advantage at the long run, it wasn’t built for them to control and then start giving newbies more advantages than old timers.

Even some new account lose their money on their first few tries, if the speculation of the Op was correct then you won’t see any newbie lose their money when they’re just starting the platform.

I've never played, but I find it quite curious. It makes sense that casinos want to control everything, especially with so much technology these days. And this idea of giving players more luck at the beginning to get them excited seems very real. In the end, it seems like the game ends up being more about their strategy than pure luck, right?

If there is enough proof to support this and a gambler notices that physical casinos have this practice, they can use it to their advantage and to the disadvantage of physical casinos. how? they may decide to play in this casino and after they have enjoyed winning because the casino wants to lure them to remain, they do not remain but move to another casino and enjoy another good winning. They can maybe keep this practice and stay in profit.

I guess that it's all about tracking the habits and that luring of making them win at first and then changing the algorithm in making them lose to gamble more is normal in a casino setup.

I think that it's also about monitoring all of their players for some anti-money laundering things from the government.

We all know that the casinos are the places where the money launderers go and try to wash their money. They're like the mixers in our era but just a traditional one.

I still prefer the online casinos though it's a different feeling when we're inside the physical casino.

It is the con of going cashless, we increase the convenience but it also increase the spending habit on average level because there is only so much people are very cautious with all their spending even if it goes from their credit card and some just chose to ingore and carry forward the loan just because they can.

There is definitely data gathering going on behind the scenes, that is the only justification for casinos to implement and invest in such technology, so they can make use of that information about their gamblers to enhance profitability in the mid and long term.
They could either sell that information to advertisers or also use the information on how many gamblers have won money from the casino, so the casino itself can offer them bonuses and tempt them to continue to play more on slots, allowing the house edge to recover part of that money back for the casino, reducing potential losses.

If it was in my power, I would allow people to continue to gamble with cash and offer those cards to gamblers who actually show interest on having them, so they would not need to carry much cash around all the time. That is probably the only advantage I can take from all this for gamblers: not having to carry their cash in order to gamble, just swipe a card and they are ready to go.

Making cards mandatory brings another shift in the gambling world, making it easier and more digitalized for the users. It has pros and cons, but the thing you mentioned was a fact, that the card is a kind of gold mine for the casino. They now know when you enter and leave, how much you win and lose, which one is your favorite game, and your bets. But somehow, the card is now easy to carry, and you don't have to hold cash at casinos while moving from one machine to another.

I don't really know because for now in my country physical casinos will obviously never exist considering gambling is still quite illegal but if you look at the current conditions such things could be a possibility when physical casinos start developing the facilities they have.

It may indeed be used as tracking but more than that I think it can also make it easier because of course when we want to gamble with a large nominal we certainly don't need to carry money or Chips in large quantities but on the one hand this can also be a marketing for them so that gamblers don't care too much about the nominal they have spent because indeed the use of cards can be an easier step for us to spend money again and again.

If that's possible, it will only mean that the slot machine owner or the casino itself is not fair. If they could easily make someone win because of promotional reasons, then they can also tamper with the system to limit and choose who can win and who cannot, which it's not supposed to be, so the system should be allowed to do its job and part and let every other thing be on luck.

This has nothing to do with member cards because this also happens in regular online crypto casinos. That's their way of getting more users and trying to allow them to win and have some beginners luck but later on it will change. I guess that everyone have been through with that and it's only a matter of time until these gamblers will realize that it's no longer in favor of them and that's why they're going crazy thinking why at the beginning they're winners and it didn't them a while until the results have been in despair and losing streak.

People will not like to play in physical casino because they don't want to be expose to were many people will see and notice that they are into gambling, so that is why most people preferred online gambling casino

People who will prefer using a physical kind of gambling card on casino is people who is not hiding anything about gambling and they are also people who love a gambling so for me I will prefer online gambling casino where everything will be in secret and the nobody will know my way about in gambling and if I lose I know that I lose without the awareness of anyone but the way I'm seeing this physical kind of gambling casino that are requires membership card or member card I think they will physical record for the machine that accepts the card.

Things like these are tactics or marketing because too many casinos are having loyalty or things like these which are encouraging peoples for having more wagering and increase their rank and also have bonuses which are surely never been worth to their money and time but still things are working.
It's not only physical now online casinos are also having feature and its giving them good response just because of this now everyone is going with his own way and bringing new features and bonuses increasingly in last few months for me its always serious trouble because peoples surely always looking for something which always hurt them in long run.
In coming days things could be much improved because as technology is going advance companies are increasing their work and this is always interesting what is next into their pocket for having more intention of community.

If they ask for getting a physical card to play, its similar to creating an account on an online casino. They will individually track a players wins losses and their time spent among other things.

Of course this data can be used to get the idea of what promotion they can push towards that user.

I have little idea about this because physical casinos almost dont exist from which I live but this seems like how it should run.

Many gamblers choose online casinos because they value privacy they don’t want others to know that they gamble and the internet gives them that cover no one sees their face, no one asks questions, and losses stay hidden that sense of secrecy is part of what makes online gambling so popular you can play from anywhere, stop anytime, and no one around you will ever know.

Physical casinos are different they are open, social, and filled with people who come to play, watch, or just enjoy the environment not everyone is comfortable with that especially those who fear judgment or gossip from others membership cards make it even more personal since they record activity, winnings, and time spent it’s useful for the casino but not so much for players who want anonymity. Online gambling feels safer in that sense but it also comes with its own risks since it’s easier to access and harder to control time and spending for someone who wants to gamble quietly and manage things privately, online casinos fit perfectly they allow freedom and privacy that physical casinos simply can’t offer.

I don't know about tracking players, but I think its more like a database to know their players and just how many they've got. That database  would then help in their marketing and advertising departments on how best to go about targeting a certain group or demographic in the population, keep their customers and more importantly, how to lure in new players.
If you play with some good money, winning or losing whenever you visit, the casino probably knows who you are and what you do. Perhaps the account card is for convenience on both sides but favoring the casinos far better.

Cmon, it is cheating. If someone can catch any casino on it - it would break reputation of all casinos. The result of it would be inspections to lots of casinos, that could find some other problems. No one need it. Casino is interested in gamblers, they would lose money themselves, casino doesn`t need do something more.
But they can analyze your games, your bets, and choose some bonuses, advertisement for you that would help you to spend more money.

How is that cheating? You chose to use their cards for gambling, and if they put chips or trackers to monitor play it still looks like something they can do in their own venue. I don’t see what law that would break.

I’d be glad to be proven wrong though, if you’re saying it’s illegal, post the exact law or rule that backs that up. Otherwise it sounds like a house policy or a civil issue, not a criminal one.

Indeed, I use to remember a casino site before where you can place your bet just by sending your crypto to a certain wallet and wait for the outcome, the site will be the one that automatically send back your money together with your initial deposit if you win your bet, those are the days where crypto users can gamble anonymously.

And agree to that, data information is the new gold now, since those who can get that details from you can use it to whatever they want and whatever they'll be able to allowed.

They are not mandatory, casinos are not using it to some reptilian malicious conspiracy but in order to keep troublesome players or players who are on the self-exclusion list out in an easier way, it's way easier to avoid minors getting in and playing and more importantly than anything, you can stay away from mules that launder money in your casino with it.

It's not always about the money, there a ton of other things land casinos need to be careful with and membership cards solve a ton of problems.

Well, certainly dealing with a casino that doesn't check documents and allows minors to gamble is a very important red flag that needs to be considered. It's something that should lead to the distancing of people who can't continue to gamble with them. Those who do so have something to hide.

In this case, I have some belief that new gamblers have a higher chance of winning. Maybe it is given by the casino itself. But there is no proof of this. No one can say that he is new so he has won more.  I have reviewed my gambling history and found that when I was a gambler at the beginning, my winning ratio was good. There may be a purpose for the casino to track the account where they understand the motives of gamblers, what kind of games they want to play and what they do when they win and what their motives are when they lose. Tracking players can definitely be a positive aspect for them.

I think previously only membership cards were used to count people who played in casinos and this was used as their customer database, and also led to digitalization to make things easier for players in this modern world, just like how we do in online casinos, we have our own accounts which are verified, and they also see the activities we do on their casino machines, and our activities should also be monitored by them, that's not a problem, this is a normal thing, just like you have a membership card at  mini markets, most of them provide them to see how you spend your money and what you buy.

However, your suspicions are baseless, casino games should have been tested and not controlled by them, unless they are really doing something wrong with the developers (or some kind of control knob to manipulate each spin).

That could be a reason but I think for most the reason they prefer online casinos to physical casinos is convenience. Unless there is some sort of side attraction or event happening at the casino I’m not going to leave my apartment to go to a casino.

Since I never tried to register for a card I cant compared much. But the ambiance is good but those you went are bigger in my opinion since I also went there sometimes. But since theres a closer one in my place now Id prefer there in solaire North. Wow it seems like you played a lot bases on your story. Thats cool to know dude.

Maybe I tried to register when I go there this week as I like the one you mentioned perks. Maybe theres not much difference I guess.

We can't say such as this will be very difficult to prove. If it is happening, it will be the casino itself who can attest such. But because we are in the digital age, casinos are also adapting this technological evolution. Hence, it will be easy for them to track their patrons and what's happening on their account. So not to really expect something anything from the casino, always consider that when you play it is owed to your luck and not because of casino's influence. Because in the first place, casino should not in any way influence the results of the game. Otherwise, once found out, their business is doomed to collapse.

That's the purpose why cards are made. It's true that they have to know and track what's happening to their customers. And if some problem occurs, all they have to do is to look at their records to figure out easily if something is wrong with their system and why there's all of a sudden changes and big wins that has happen. But if proven all of those things are to be legitimate, they'd surely spare them and will allow to withdraw the winnings that they deserve.

Yeah, but you can also have the option that even if you have the physical card, you might not want to use them after all. So they can't really track where yo are playing except that there is a eye on the sky to watch your every move.

They can just verify it in the place right away if you won big or if there are some problems in that machine. But it seldom does in a land base casinos, as compare to online wherein they might not give you your winning on the spot. As for the cards, yes, the perks might be really enticing for players to register and then take advantage of it.

Casino withdrawal decline is very rare to happened especially on reputable physical casino because they have a license and regulated strictly compared to online casino with Curacao license.

This member card sure works to track players for bonuses and recordings required by the law.

But they can’t use it to freeze user withdrawals just because a player winning big.

That's also a good point. And we have a choice that we won't use the cards after all but, I think that the perks will make us convinced of using them and that's why they have put it in there.

I agree, it shouldn't be used for freezing users money just because for genuinely winning big. That's why they conduct investigations about that and if there's no reason for them to do it, they eventually releases the money after all.

This feeling of new players always having an advantage to winning more than old gamblers is not new; a lot of people have felt this way, but in reality everyone is just having a fair share of the game. The casino might not alter the game outcome.

Tracking players' behavior by the casino will help in thequick granting of a bonus that will suit the player based on their game option.

Actually I don't view it as a means to track players habits and how they gamble and with what games in particular, maybe you could be right from your angle. But what if we can see it as a means that even promotes players security as they do not have to be carrying physical cash with them in large sum which could attract attackers when they perceive what the player is in possession of. I think it's just an innovative thought from the physical casino which they would have evaluated the advantages for them and the players before swinging into adopting it over cash.

it can be helpful for the gamblers also because they can track how much time and money they spend on the casino and it keeps them in check compared to if they were just playing with cash

The concept of casinos ceasing to use cash and adopting a digital application will provide greater personal protection of players. Having to carry high amounts of cash is minimised, thus making it impossible to be the victim of a crime. The transformation also makes operations of the gambling houses easier.

Implementing a cashless system should be done with great caution in terms of the impacts such a system might have on the interested parties in terms of advantages as well as disadvantages. This is a step that should be given a proper assessment before it is massively used.

For me, I literally think this is a strategy to know the individual data information about each gamblers, to know those gamblers who spend huge sum of money gambling, and those gamblers who doesn't gamble huge sum of money. And I think with which data, the casino will be able to know those who are likely to be addicted or control addiction of each gambler, in other to offer either a restriction or permanent ban. While secondly, just as every other industry have evolved and developed over the years, you don't expect the gambling industry to remain static without improving in it's gambling process and activities. Hence, I will solidly say the new introduction of member card is a nice innovation.

It will affect their business if they will not let the withdrawal as they are liable with their customer and similar to what you said, those physical casino needs business permits and if they messed with their customers and recieved complains it will risk their entire business, for sure they are more valuing their reputation compared to those amount that they can freeze from whatever suspicious activities that they may see from their clients, this membsership card might be use to know their client more and the activities if they need to add some freebies or bonuses especially if the person is their VIP client.

Innovarions doesn't come with some disadvantages in the print but in any case on this aspect of the use of card the advantages definitely outweighs all that could be said to be considered. Whatever assessment that could be made shouybe drawn from the cashless financial system how seamless and stress-free it's being compared to walking about with cash all of the time.

I think this innovation puts more responsibility on the gambler on how he chooses to gamble, if he's that gamblers that can't control what he's to spend when playing then he might just rather find this as an easy means to gamble irresponsibly with each swipe.

Yeah, that's likely going to affect them if they will continue to do these things against their customers. And that's why they should offer the best thing for their customers and that's why if they don't like to face any trouble then they have to make sure that no customer complains and they have to serve everyone with the best that they can, from withdrawals/deposits and then the games that they offer. So, anything that's in the advantage of the customers, they'd do it but of course they're still a business after all.

I have not seen that option in the physical casinos that I frequent. What you do is buy chips and play with them. I have not seen them having cards. I go periodically because I like to spend a pleasant time there and it is that way. Maybe some casinos apply the one-card thing, but it is a matter of taste and rules about how the casino handles things that way I don't see it as bad, but I see it as a bit Complicated.

I somewhat likes the tracking feature of this member card because you can use the records to see how much you’re actually spending, which helps with budgeting especially if you’re honest with yourself.Its better if you’re disciplined,you could track your plays smartly.Its becomes worse if you struggle with self-control,since they’re built to keep you hooked.

Ok, the original Solaire is one of the biggest casinos that we have. But I will also try that Solaire North maybe if I have the extra money to gamble and bring my wife there. Just to test it out and see whether "beginners luck" might happen to me in that new casino.


Yes, you might want to register and get those perks. We got the hotel accomodations before and then you can convert some points that you got into playing money.

It's hard to speculate given that we have no clue what those cards contain. Does it perhaps track our spending habits in gambling? Does it also track our gambling habits by saving all information on which games do we play?

We can speculate all we want but one thing is for sure- the purpose of those cards primarily gives advantage to the land-based casino. Some had already mentioned that whenever we gamble using cards, it's easier to lose track of our expenses thereby causing more financial damage.


I agree with you. Traditional land-based casinos are focused on purchasing chips that correspond to a specific value and we use these chips to gamble. I have yet to encounter a casino that mandates the use of their so-called "cards" in order to start gambling.

I haven't seen it either, but I suppose the OP's suspicions are true. This could be due to a security measure, making it easier for them to study the players, see anomalies in the game in case they cheat or scam, and on the other hand, they can use it as social engineering, to find out what players prefer, and show them a more personalized experience in order to increase the frequency with which users go to the establishment, and both of these options are the most logical, and can subsist together, giving the casino useful information about its customer base.

That is what we commonly use to be able to play in physical casinos , I understood the cards as a card prepared with a balance to be able to do things in the casino, recharge , bet, something like when you Pay in the Supermarket where we put the card in the reader and once it is Charged, if you do something like that it is not so bad and that you can recharge with crypto , that is Another Modality that they should Do.

You want us to go back to the good old days where we carry cash about everywhere, even to the casino to gamble? Then when we want to stake huge amounts, we put bundles of cash on the table where everyone gets to see?

In my opinion, I don't think the member card is entirely bad. At least, it has eased gamblers the stress of moving around with cash. All you need is just your card and I think this is more convenient and safe.

Apart from this, gamblers can conveniently claim offers according to their ranks using their member cards. Casinos will always do anything to make sure gamblers come back, it is the duty of the gambler to apply all his senses.

Whether a membership card at a physical casino is good or bad depends on each person's point of view. You might want to try a membership card if you truly value the convenience and benefits that they usually provide such as points, bonuses, or alluring promotions. Membership cards could be a drawback, though, if privacy is important to you. I would definitely turn down a membership card if one were offered to me because I am a gambler who prefers privacy. I reduce the possibility that my personal information will be misused because I don't want it to.

It will save the gambler the time and energy which they could have been using trying to check which game they played, how much they spent on that game and the time, as the card might help them organize such records and make it easier to track the exact thing which the gambler might be wanting to track.

That data is extremely valuable to them and of course they will try to use it to their advantage to entice you to join their little club so you can go in a be a part of their plum lounge and make a bunch of gsmbling friends. The elite level card members enjoy these benefits, it would he fun to try it out though

Collecting statistics on gamblers is only half the task, as all this data still needs to be analyzed (among many other gamblers) and, when you return, the desired slot machine actions need to be performed. But I believe this hasn't been fully implemented yet. In other words, the era of controlled gambling is just beginning to emerge, and for now, only statistical data is being collected. Over time, with the introduction of AI, this data will be processed and used (in real time) to benefit the casino.

And if your wife hadn't won anything betting with these bonus points, would you have said "no"? :)

Regardless of everyone's feelings about the introduction of these cards in casinos, "progress is unstoppable", and it seems that in the future, all offline casinos will be unable to function without this innovation. Another "convenience" will be the fact that, even with the abolition of cash, gamblers will be able to deposit electronic money (CBDC) onto these personal cards, which, when interacting with regulators, will make all gaming activity "transparent".

The benefits is really good based on the experience of a friend enjoying this luxury on casino. The only challenge is you will a need huge wager just to have the maximum benefits unlike online casino VIP benefits that is accessible to all players even for new registered account.

That’s why only real VIP(whale player) have a taste of this premium benefits since physical casino has higher standards on choosing the player that will experience this benefits.

It’s far better than online casino VIP benefits in terms of experience.

Anything that will keep the  trust of their patrons/clients they should do to continue business, knowing how good those owners in terms of manipulating the mindsets of every gambler who's playing and using their services, making them believe that they've been treated nicely and to the point that they spoil them while inside the house, anything that they can offer will happily serves, but still needed to remember that it is a business where the facilatator are expecting to gain from their marketing strategy.

A physical card for any kind of thing is bad, any store is using it against the person. People think that they are getting some benefits for free, but there is nothing that is free. They are trading data that is more valuable for less value that they get in benefits. This is inescapable. This is also one of the reasons why they invented credit cards, cash is not inconvenient nobody is that busy in life to claim this. The primary reason is that they can better track you and mine data. I stay away from all those things, Bitcoin gives us the option of choosing freedom. Many will not wake up and take it but we can ignore them.

Just because you may not understand why this is bad that does not mean that it is not. These things should be avoided at all cost.

This is not a valid point because most people and gamblers like you are wasting more than half of your free time on inefficient or useless pursuits. This is only a valid point for those that are efficiency maximalists, and those people are extremely rare. Don't be lazy and do the work yourself.

The gambler can analysis the play time by playing in the physical casino, but in the physical casino the gambler get the huge time to think. But in the online gambling, the gamblers are not able to think and play the game in short period of time. So the repeated gambling in the online was more possible one. Because to recover the loss the gambler will try with all the holding money, So the gambler should think and inverse the next money with a gap. So the gamblers easily addicted only with the online gambling compared to the offline gambling. So it's better to check with the online gambling instead of the offline gambling and gamblers can't sure to use of same time with the online and offline gambling. It's my point and you can correct me if my words are different one, the gambler can play gambling without any addiction will be good for all.

Insufficient and useless pursuit? As long as the gambler considers it worthy of their time, then it's not entirely useless, and if there is a system which offers to save time and energy if you can put it to good use, who will not grab the opportunity, as long as it's proven effective?

After all, aren't you already playing with their system? In this case, it seems like the card's function doesn't really matter. I don't think it serves any purpose other than tracking your balance and incoming and outgoing transactions, and it also has to do with the database. There are also tiers for these cards, with a more established member receiving a different card, and a more reputable customer receiving a different card.

I don't understand why.

I agree with you, if this happens it is because things are going very well, otherwise it is because things are going wrong, if a card is capable of being Programmed to play a balance X on the day it would be something innovative and great, something that the casino would have to program together with the player, it is a way to protect the player, does such a thing exist?

This makes sense, and this card system is just an option, so it will be up to you if you avail it or not. So for me, there is no downside on customer's side, especially if it's free and less hassle to avail, like other card systems of grocery, restaurants, gas stations, where even it's free, you don't still want it because it's very hassle to process everything you will get it.

Evry thing has both side good and bad. For creating a card they have both side. The may track which game the user play, how much they won or how much they lose and when it happened they can keep the trac record there have no other thing which is bad. But it will help the play to play caseless and they do not need to count each time the money, do not need to check real or fake, and many other thing.

Agree with you. If players want that, they will not have a problem if casinos want to track them and send them interesting promotions. But for those who don't want, they will reject the card and maybe they will not move to other casinos that more friendly which will not track them. All things will depend on players and how comfortable they are staying at the casinos. I don't want to see casinos track me but I don't mind if they send promotions to me and offer something that can benefit me.