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It might not be the truth and only but the truth but my speculation is that he became disgusted with the community since Gavin showed it off to CIA, and become even more disgusted when he saw how twisted we are with our overly speculative, wanna-get-rich-quick-while-jerking-off mentalities and such.

My impression is that he doesn't give a single shit on any of us and more tragically even about Bitcoin. If not a prank, his recent post on not being Dorian, clearly shows he stepped forward to defend a man that was in REAL danger of being killed for his supposed wealth/ worshiped to death by the bitcoin fanatics.

Moreover, Sathoshi gave everybody the instrument, a decentralized currency but we somehow started to do it wrong (see MyBitcoin, Bitcoinica, MtGox etc)

But don't worry, Bitcoin will not burn in hell, only we will! (in a max of 90 years or so, and even less for some of us). And lets a keep a toast for for MtGox - Bitcoinica incidents as we love people being scammed of off their life savings.

PS: Haven't lost any bitcoin with the Mtgox fiasco but I have lost faith in the community. Protocol still works though.

This is because the OK members of the community left bitcointalk, not only Satoshi. Bitcointalk, especially the Speculation board mutated to a TrollBox. Look at some "last active" of some of the old guard:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=12149 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=12149)

At this stage of my life every time I try to really understand why people do this, do that ... a bunch of philosophical pop out of my mind like ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism_(metaphysics) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism_(metaphysics))

so I try to not judge others decisions or attitudes ... it's cause more segregation than integration ...

“One of the tasks of true friendship is to listen compassionately and creatively to the hidden silences. Often secrets are not revealed in words, they lie concealed in the silence between the words or in the depth of what is unsayable between two people.”
--John O'Donohue, Anam Cara: A Book of Celtic Wisdom

I'm sure the old guard still has a bit of skin in the game. They probably found this forum to be increasingly intolerable.

Satoshi must've been bright enough to realise that human nature would morph his/her/its/their creation into another cesspool. It's still money and that's one of the most emotive subjects in the world. Once you bind the internet to it then that just amplifies it by a few orders of magnitude.

Perhaps a few years down the line there'll be quiet offshoots springing up around the world that really do fulfill the ideological promise.

They're out there busy spending their money  ::)

 ;D ;D ;D

If you made tons of money off this would you want everyone to know about it, including the IRS?

Satoshi is not, but most definitely some others. How do people get deceived so easily? It is painful watching the $1200 holders try to rally in speculation. It does take a while to come out of the matrix and understand all of this completely. Shame on media hyping this up too. The ideology just proves the strength of the almighty $ It has survived decades and the set the standards. It will for a long time to come as well. I am sure there will be more slaughtered down the road by reading here how this is all actually a million dollars per bitcoin and get tempted to play the poker game. Just get the chips and get ready.

I am getting ready to go through the bitcoin statement of cash flows to properly evaluate the stock price  ::)

The man is fucking busy after he sold Satoshi Dice for 126,315 bitcoins.
He is enjoying live and working on something new.

Is it possible that the person Dorian isn't the right Satoshi Nakamoto, and overzealous reporters who in the 21st century have no clue what proper investigative reporting and fact checking are, just saw the name and jumped the gun?

Is it possible that SN was always an alias?


That's a n00b question btw, but nonetheless sincere.

Not only possible, but highly probable. We know the real Satoshi was an expert on pseudonymity and a part of the cypherpunk scene going all the way back to the early 90s.

This person(s) knew what (t)he(y) were doing.

Shit, I'm tempted to get a legal name change to Satoshi Nakamoto and have someone "leak" to the press that they found me.

Could probably clear a few hundred thousand $ from media companies before they realize it's bullshit and leave me alone.

he could still be here posting under a different name.  :D

cause he is Dorian     ???

I'd love to see this become a thing

http://i57.tinypic.com/1gg5d0.jpg

Aaaan this thread gets the same noob trolling, no other constructive dialogue other than Anu's posts.

Quite simply Satoshi realised if he was right, and he likely was, that he had to be anon. Can you imagine the target he painted on his back. Think it through

[1] Near 1 million BTC, he could easily become the worlds most wealthy individual by some large margin.
[2] Imagine the govs/corps after him + alphabet agencies. The guy just solved an a major problem, and the solution borders on genius, not saying its perfect, but it was original thought.
[3] He/She/It planned this out for a long time and thought it through. They are not in it for the the short term. They planned out no going public
[4] Avoid all the acolytes/nutcases.

Satsoshi would have no life left if he revealed himself. I think satoshi see's bitcoin at 1 Mill a coin [at least], and this is the reason for the 10e^-8, 1 satoshi = 1 cent.

"we" haven't done anything "wrong" that occurs in any system. We need a properly distributed exchange

OP, if you have invented something that would change people's lives forever, turning them from slaves to free people, to choose from their own, their own destiny:

Would you want your government to know about it?

Think hard before you answer....

Most communities turn out this way sooner or later. Often that's what leads to more mainstream acceptance.
You may or may not like the way it is, but that is how it is. I don't wanna sound rude saying this but, if you don't like what has happened to the community you are free to leave whenever you want. There surely are other revolutionizing projects that only a handful of people knows about. Join them if that is the kind of communities you prefer.
We all have a choice; either you can stay here, frustrated over how things are, or you can try to teach us the way of bitcoin. Or you can leave. The choice is up to you.

It could just be that he turned into a lobster and is no longer able to type.

I still find this theory most likely: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348608 :P

No, but seriously, yeah, most of us jumped onboard this train driven by greed. We all thought we were going to get rich. I, as well as you, believe that Satoshis intentions were completely different, however greed is a part of capitalism. I'm not saying that capitalism is the best system, but since we all live in a capitalistic world, like it or not, it is our only way to get mainstream.
I won't deny my causes for jumping onboard was pure greed. But Bitcoin grew to me. Hopefully people will as I did realize what a revolutionizing technology this is.
Satoshi may like it or not, but we use his/her/their work to revolutionize the world. And that was also his mission even though I believe his methods would have been different from ours.

This is where'd I be. If I made millions over millions in net worth, I wouldn't want anybody (IRS, family, friends, etc) knowing what I had. Even more so if there is a public ledger with the details of everything I would own.

Satoshi is an idea, like Jesus
it was born, grew up, created bitcoin, died , and now we are waiting the resurrection :P

we can tell that story to our children when they fall asleep! :P

I am wondering why people are making him a saint. Noone knows his true motive other than himself. Maybe he created the currency to enrich himself, even though it is desentrilized. He could have mined alot in the early days. Or he may not have, and  creted  it just as a "holy" motive. As I see, it the ones that came in early is the ones that got rich on this easy. All others, coming late in must really work hard with mining, trading or other. Even Jesus had a motive to do what he did and belived in, if not he would not got true with it (he did unselfish, but had a agenda). To create a desentrilized currency can also be selfish. Anarchists for example, believe in chaos, and thereby want to create it, and if they believe in it truly, its a kind of selfish to create it and "force" it on others that not want it.

Whatever a human does do, is most often based on selfishness, agenda or what other expects from you somehow true believe. So to glorify a person to almost holy I will never be into; if its my mom, the president or other.

How much of your income actually belongs to you?

I can tell you that 80% of what you are making goes to the gov and the banks.

Think about it....
Even if you want to do something simple like take a piss, you are taxed on the water you use to flash the toilet.....

Food for thoughts don't you think?

Yeah, that's kinda the point. Satoshi had an agenda with bitcoin, most of the users had another. He therefore left (according to this theory).
He also mined a lot in the beginning, even though most of the mined coins were never touched. His true motives only Satoshi himself knows.
Btw (and a bit Off topic), anarchists doesn't necessarily believe in chaos. Most of them just want to be free from laws and obligations forced onto them.

Good idea now I am also thinking to share this story with my kids they will like this :D

Oh they irony:
Maybe satoshi doesn't come forward because he pulled off the biggest early-mine "scam" in crypto history.
He is wealthy almost beyond belief, especially near the top of the next Bullish wave.

Satoshi belongs in the libertarian Hall of Fame for creatively expressing rational self-interest.

https://warosu.org/data/vr/img/0006/23/1368035764335.png
OMFG BITCOIN IS BASED ON A LIE? :o :o :o
That is a kinda funny scenario, and if that actually is the true scenario, and Satoshi is sitting on his 100m$ island sipping 200 y.o wine reading this, then I have to say; Cheers to you mate. You did one of the biggest scams in history.

I didn't say he lied; Almost no one else was mining at the start, so he has a huge pile of unspent coins.
"Scam" was in quotes...

this is the best opinion i have ever read. I agree with you. Satoshi is a real philosopher and i think he understand clear the human behavior. He create a true modern revolution.

Satoshi hasn't posted since 2010, so I'm not sure what you're rambling on about.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts

He posted a reply on his p2p profile saying "I am not Dorian Nakamoto."

he doesn't come forward because he created the system which is about to destroy the means by which the richest banksters in the world transfer wealth from the working population to themselves.
people were killed for alot less than that.

I think it's a good idea that he stays anonymous even though I would personally love to learn about him.

If his real identity was revealed he would be scrutinized to an unbearable extent. He would not only have the government, but also media and criminals on his back. The media would find every dirt and misstep in his life. They would interview his first girlfriend and his past employers. Nobody is perfect and the media would exaggerate every single thing into an elephant. It would be hell for him personally and hell for the Bitcoin community as a whole.

He should stay anonymous and make every possible precaution to cut off any links that could lead people to him.

Best post in thread.

It's a trap?
Still possible that the NSA invented BTC as a "One World Currency."
We have no way to know for certain.

I think Satoshi doesn't have 1mil btc. He probably had a miner running to help bootstrap/maintain the network on the early days, But those 1 mil btc were lost on purpose (of fairness/detachment?) to random addresses.

Well holy shit, if that's the case, then I'll be buying BTC, as fast as I can save the cash to purchase them ;)
If indeed BTC is the new one-world-currency then I'll be able to retire on 10-20BTC... ;)

All I see is your beliefs. How "convenient" that your impression of Satoshi does not disagree with you at all. What if Satoshi adores the get rich and speculative types? What if he stepped forward to show that he was alive and only used Dorian as an excuse.     


Unless you belive in our lord Satoshi! If you belive in Satoshi, he will save us from our sins. AMEN.  ::)

If you (currently) search "Satoshi is god" in Google images, you get a surprising mix of images that don't have much to do with Satoshi or God.
EDIT:
Some of them are other people named Satoshi (i.e. Satoshi Tsumabuki)

I think satoshi is playing the long game, his motive was likely, go down in history, solve a cardinal problem no else had, make 1 trillion $. Some english guy  in the 1500's or so was worth over a Trillion in today's money....so theres precedent for that. Satoshi has planned this out some years in advance, and is sticking to the plan

If you have ever read Wells the sleeper wakes it has some interesting ideas as to what happens if the money is left then used later.....when satoshi wakes.

Its also telling that Satoshi may have broken cover to get dorian of the Hook rather than crow about  my invention just cracked $10B.

Hi Satoshi, as you reading this now, your thinking 21T! Your not far wrong I agree at least that.

yea it's called the golden lie

i recall someone in SV talking about just this scenario, many, many years ago...

The "almighty $" has lost 95.6% of it's purchasing power since the Federal Reserve came into existence. There are claims that it's still doing well compared to other currencies. Sure, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed is king, but Bitcoin is completely above governments struggling to stay afloat by inflation taxation. That's the whole point with Bitcoin

Satoshi has probably left us forever.
The risk/reward in coming back is not favorable.

I think I found out who satoshi is...

Dorian is just a diversion... maybe paid by those large bitcoin holders  ::)

Satoshi created Bitcoin.
He was a very active member to the community even in his last post which was build 0.3.19.
He then disappeared to never be heard from again.
His coins still sit untouched.

The 3 most reasonable reasons for his departure are:

He died. Totally possible, would explain why the coins are untouched and why such  an active member would just vanish without warning.

He contracted a debilitating disease. He could no longer maintain his pseudonym/alter ego without his caretakers or family's help.

He stopped giving a shit. Most unlikely because of how active he was to the very last post.

Exactly how many coins are supposedly untouched that he left behind?

or maybe he is still very active in the community with different nickname

cause they will put the people around them in jeopardy, to ransoms, kidnapping from the gov, etc.  dont need to go on.

The "commonly accepted" total is over 1 million BTC in the untouched Satoshi blocks.
Yet, alt coins get "tainted" by a small premine..............LOL???

I hope i'll not know what will happen if Satoshi come forward

If he (or they are still) is still alive and doesn't give a shit about bitcoin, how many times a day do you think he thinks to himself: I created bitcoin and don't a fuck.

It would be pretty gangster if bitcoin never entered his mind on a daily basis. That's the evolution in my opinion. People not thinking about "money", like you don't think about breathing or loving your child or pet, and living life on another level. That's the technology that was putforth by Satoshi to the community and what has happened? Shit talking on the internet, market manipulation, crap coins, and government misinformation.

I'm not shocked, actually this is pretty much par for the course.

I would be shocked if a cross-section of the world saw this thing through, used the technology because it makes fucking sense and each of us witness something transformative to the human race in the next decade.

So, Satoshi's work & idea wasn't free. Nor the contribution of early adopters ?

Not quite a good example there wobber he has his own problems as MP pointed out with the SEC checking the validity of Satoshidices sell off

I was pointing out a double-standard that is grossly unfair.
Either Satoshi's huge stash should get much more negative publicity, or "legit" devs with a moderate early-mine/premine should be treated a lot better.

 It doesn't really matter, does it? ... The community loves the bitcoin mystique and if he ever comes forward.

I don't understand what you're saying there. Care to explain?

same here.

Re:
http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/
From
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.0

So he doesn't  have to answer the so-many newbies questions.  ;D

That would be a painful experience imagines 1,000,000 newbie questions incoming to one person
Scary indeed

Cause he instamined 5% and wants to dump them first and then say oh i dont have any, i did social work

actually how do you know he didn't put the private keys to those addresses onto CDs and give them to people in exchange for services, and tell them not to use them for X years

lol, a very weak defense statement, come up with something better next time

For anyone that doesn't know: Here is satoshi's bct account; inactive since 2010.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3

Probably because of all the fanboys.

This account is supposedly completely disabled by bitcointalk admins in order to not give hackers something to brute force. May be why his last post "I am not Dorian Nakamoto" was made on the peertopeer foundation site.

I've not seen that before.
So he cannot (easily) come back here if he wanted to?

John Forbes Nash is Satoshi.  We know this now.

The reason they can't out themselves is because it won't have such an effect on breaking the damn of 'bitcoin'

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560056.0

WE ARE 100% SURE IT IS HIM, WE NEED TO SPREAD THIS LIKE WILDFIRE!

Yeah, not sure if this is true or not, but I imagine many people have tried so it might be a good idea. He could always sign an address and use a previous email to easily prove who he was though.

Better to be rich in private.

Maybe, but not so much if you don't even spend any of it. His wealth seems to have been pretty stationary So far, unless he had other secret stashes we don't know about.

Y'all are so cruel.  Man is 86, and solves the worlds problems.  Hes not hoarding his wealth, he will obv give it to the people.  How much time till this man passes, and gets to live for zero recognition?  Will we really keep the rug over our eyes?

Sataoshi, Satoshi, where for art thou satoshi?  John Nash have you seen him, ur just an old man, why would we bother asking you?

For the best that he doesn't come forward, that air of mystique useful as it implies some hidden influence helping Bitcoin along

Rather lets think about what will happen when the world realizes that it is John Nash.

When thinking about the game of the governments vs the people, how might the people expect to lose when they are led by the man that created the game theory that defines the strategy of conflict that the very government uses.

Will there be any better way to instill faith in such a currency?

Dorian is not Satoshi. 

For starters, Satoshi's English (grammar, spelling, etc) was much more fluent than there is any evidence Dorian's has ever been.  Second, they have entirely different vocabularies and there is no evidence that Dorian has ever worked on cryptographic code at all.

satoshi lol

may as well be looking for the loch ness monster...

If it's on TV, it must be true:  :D
http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2663106.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Nessie-2663106.jpg

Nash is a brilliant mathetician.   But why would that news instill faith?

He is more than this.  He has re written the fundamental believe of acedemia, you just don't yet realize this.  If you read or watch ideal money you will begin to understand bitcoin is not the idea.  Bitcoin + ideal money is the real idea, that nash has successfully hid from us until now.

You must realize that when academia realizes it is him, they are going to be forced to flip the fundamentals of nearly ever subject we have.

This man is not just a brilliant mathematician, this brought the power of money back to the people, and changed it from something that is suppressive into a liberating essentially free public commodity.

There is a flood gate that will be the tipping point of asymptotically ideal money...and this flood gate is the revealation of John Forbes Nash to the world as the man that secretly created bitcoin and left the powers that be helpless towards the use, and adoption of it.

There will be no better place to put your faith in money than the man whos economic fundamentals we still use (yet we misapply) today. He wrote the formulas from which we might evaluate such a new commodity as bitcoin.

We have named the very concept of ideal money after this man, yet I feel we should still thank him, while he is still alive.

Since the bitcoin is popular now, there is no need Satoshi do anything now.

Well he might have an interesting opinion on sidechains as they did not discuss that back in 2011, as the original dev he might have an interesting addition to present (like an anonymous paper submission XD)

I read that pdf and the only similarities I see between "ideal money" and BTC is a common theme of anti-inflation & anti-central banking.   The cool factor of Nash = Satoshi might appeal to "geeks" but it doesn't change the underlying weakness of BTC as currency system.   Nash's "ideal money" uses a basket of commodities (CPI) in place of a gold standard,  whereas,  BTC uses arbitrary  and artificial scarcity in the code so it "acts like gold".   "Ideal money" is closer to Keynes "bancor" than BTC.

Don't get me wrong.   The Nash is genius and I love to study game theory.   Still,  I'm not convinced that deflation is preferable.   I'm a firm believer that money needs elasticity to meet demands of the economic cycles.  

Nash spends an entire section talking about savings and why inflation hurts savings.   I hear the same argument from bitcoiners all the time.   But this rarely reflect reality of most people's lives.   Nobody saves money in cash.   Most of the middle class own property as their main wealth asset.  

Deflation puts long term borrowers at extreme disadvantage.  Deflation makes it hard for people to make big purchase like a house,  student loan,  medical bills.  

In any case the macro is more complex than the neoi classical model I'm presenting.   At the macro level,  deflation can lead to recession and depressions

I think "Satoshi" is a man that thinks long, acts conservatively and carefully.  I think we haven't heard the last from him.  The Dorian incident proved that under certain circumstances he is willing to resurface. 

One needs to understand the Satoshi that invented bitcoin and why he made it.  He wasn't satisfied with banking and finance and the government of the day.  I ask now, would he really be happy with what bitcoin has become?  In someways, I think he would be really proud of the monster he created, but realize it is just that, a monster, much like the one he was rebelling against in the first place. 

I think he has had lots of time to reflect on bitcoin, think, and try to make a better system.

Great minds don't just build one thing and retire.  They look at it and try to build another and another.  Satoshi was a builder and a rebeller.  That is his nature and somewhere I think he is still doing just that.  Maybe under a different name and still working on bitcoin, trying to save it and redirect it, maybe on a different project.

u read the whole thing, realized the fundamental main points are identical, the mans name is inside the psuedo name and u still wont accept it?

you are describing a economy with ideal money, todays revolution is asymptotically ideal.  the commodities index happens in a future u cannot perceive but nash has, when money has a new meaning.

how about we listen to this man, and believe in him

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