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Black Arrow LTD is looking for OEM partners and is offering samples of 28nm Minion Bitcoin miner chips (discounted or free).

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LOWER PRICE: from $0.49/Ghash  (120Ghash ASIC  high efficiency 28nm)
High efficiency mode: 0.5W/ghash at the wall at 50Ghash / ASIC

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These samples are offered to companies or PCB designers with genuine interest to design double SHA256 mining machines based on Black Arrow Minion ASIC.

We will offer 5 free samples to companies with proven record of designing and manufacturing mining PCBs or high power PCBs; Any other PCB designer can purchase up to 5 samples for discounted price.

Discounts:

All companies with the design ready to manufacture before 1st of June 2014 will receive a discount of US$10000 on their first order. If the company decides to license the design under GPL we will offer a further discount of US$10000. If the design is licensed under GPL at a later date, we will offer this discount on the next order. Black Arrow offers this discount to support open source design but does not intend and will not use this design in their products.

Price promise:

We are looking for long term partners and wish to be your only BTC ASIC supplier by providing required stock on time and competitive market price (will price match on $/Ghash any BTC ASIC company as long as their offer is genuine and stock available at the same time as ours).

Minimum order quantity for manufacturing:

1000 pcs.

Please register your interest here: http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/minion-asic-sample.html
Datasheet: http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/minion-datasheet.html

Regards!

The entire world doesn't use the US calendar system btw (even though it is better).

[Edit: he deleted his message]

So does that mean manufacture by June 1st, 2014?

That's 51 days...guess it's possible. 

delivered by first class unicorn

I am very excited about this. If anyone wants to team up to produce Minion Miners I am up for it. I can fund the Operation.

Sent you an email.

The Wasp Project Collective is keen on this deal hope to talk to you soon.

WE did sent a few e-mails over last 2 months... No Answer
Ordered the maximum 5 samples for 540 USD, paid with BTC.
No need for free chips, Just send these 5 ASAP
We'll suport the project and will strat a design of a mining board for minion.

@Bick - Lets race ...... ;D :P

Any documentation with useful data is available? Like package, protocol, voltage and power consumption?

EDIT: nevermind, I was looking on phone and didn't notice link to datasheet. But still no info about power consumption.

LOL, gee. I wonder who will win that one?  ;D

Yeah me too :D
But Bick has not confirmed that he is in  ;D

hahahahaha.... that's not even fair, they have never even produced jack shit

Wrong dude, they are producing share holders and meetings ;D
That is called a business you just do not understand  how things should work ;)

The winner will be the community since the discounts require GPL designs going out that is the focus right? Just a note Marto you want to worry more about making your current customers happier as opposed to worrying about some sort of phony staged competition or race with us. We are not your competition.

Sure but without licensing servers ;)
Ps fee Genno stakes are amt specialty only
Again there is nothing wrong to earn a bug for your efforts for sure
I do not like the fact that gpl word is here. Just skip it in your next posts will you?

This design doesn't have to have licensing servers. Does it? Nor does Marto have to release a GPL license nor does anyone because anyone can buy these chips and keep selling their units as they have before. Let us see who actually releases a GPL design then we can talk. Again you guys need to really work on your customer service and not worry needlessly about what the WPC is doing. Plenty of chips to go around that are not Minions and plenty of UNHAPPY people willing to buy elsewhere.

None or at least I think so
Unless you prove me wrong
However there is one member of your team who already did it
Hats down to vs. is he a member of your team?
The other one is bkk
The third one is?

Nothing to prove to you or Marto or anyone actually.

When we provide something then you can judge it. Till then this seems to be a silly pissing contest. Like I said Marto needs to focus on his customers not on some phony contest there are plenty of pissed off customers all around the community that have moved on from people that just don't follow up properly. If you want to know how it is done then I suggest your competition is Ben Turas not the WPC.

Agreed
So you refuse to participate ?
It does not matter for me any way

Participate in what?

We have nothing to do with fabrication and selling miners to people. We have clearly told everyone we do the designs and when we have something they will be released. Be it A1, BF2, AM BE200, the other undisclosed chip we have in hand or say the Minion.

Buddy if you want to challenge anyone go beat BFL to market they have an Imperial Monarch design they just started trying to Pre-sell. I am pretty sure you can beat them cold. As for us and the members of the WPC we all hope Marto gets out a design tomorrow and sells a great board... but I also hope he also resolves the trail of bad deals he has left around that is something that stinks to high heaven no one really needs that with all the HF BFL and Avalon etc bs that has gone on. Like many others in this community the people in the WPC want good deals, good boards and LESS F&*()_$* SCAMMERS. That is the bottomline.

Dude,
It was just a technical challenge for you
Honesty and business is other story
So go on with your project and remember no matter what you do you have to know what you are doing to be able to design something working at the end
Meetings will not help you much with that
Hard work is needed that is all

Dude it is a tech challenge just to get a board made. We don't need a pissing in the wind contest on top of it. Like I said Marto better put more time in customer service that is where he really lacks skills and that could be a problem given the people who are producing boards and selling them to the community his real competition. He can build boards and get them mass produced but he sure as hell doesn't know how to respond to complaints.

Let me put it in perspective. The WPC has taken $0 from the community. If we never bring a design to market then we cost the community $0. When we have something from the months of work that has been put in by a small number of engineers then we can talk about the design, the work that went in, the delays etc. But personally, and I think I speak for the WPC in this regard, we don't really care what you think hard work is and what it takes to get our designs done. Having weekly meetings to update the membership doesn't detract from the work that goes on.

Again we wish Marto the best and we hope he gets out another design in a few days as he normally does.

Bick this here is a joke in return of you almost caling us scam in Zefir's coincraft tread.
Our problems with customers are in the past.
And our small team of 3 people for design hw sw and production did already 7 succesful mining board projects.
I'm  just inviting you EE team in a small competition for fun.
You chose to change the subject.... Why ?
Are you in or not

No comment.

You deal with your customers how you like but don't expect people to ignore it.

You are on my ignore list so I don't have to watch it anymore as it is quite painful to see good design get lost in bad service.

Feel free to go back on topic if you like.

BAD SERVICE ......??????
And you take it out of what ?? a few members of my GB  asking for fee return (one of them member of your famous team), they all got a refund for the chips cost !!!
A few customers that want refund for assembly service that is not refundable by our terms and conditions.
All other issues we had are solved.
What did you did in terms of design and production in the last 9 months ?
And we took what from community??
All customers got their products or refund
RMA units are handled.
And all you did are meetings , right ?
And I see you call us scam again, and compare us to BFL :)
You can write this to me after you design something first, then you can try put it in production and then handle the support for it.
WE have our failures , but we are here working.
In the same time you make endless web meetings...
What are your results ???
again ARE you IN or NOT?

Anyway wish you and your team  luck

miners will be available in no time dude
The only two conditions are to be met
1. Marto to receive chips ASAP depends from black arrow only
2. Black arrow to keep his word and give good price for the chips to all folks who produce boards

Then we miners would be able to get minions in our hands and enjoy roi ;)
Eventually....
All depends on black arrow only
Ps: there is no ASIC chip available at the moment which will ever roi it's price alone
I do sincerely hope that black arrow will change it

Good thing Black Arrow hasnt lost focus on its original project which is months behind schedule. Glad to see they are really focused on completing their first batch! Great job!!!

One issue our lead EE has already seen might be the need for a 6 layer board.

Paraphrasing our EE at the last meeting:

'The inner pins on the Minion can't be brought out directly to be connected. You will need to use at least 4 layers of interconnect and drill microvias to carry the signals, typically put in the pad, which is a much higher standard of manufacturing that is required compared to the more straightforward QFN chips. It is a pretty risky venture and there are plenty of possible faults that can creep in here. Reworking these could be over $150 per chip and a monstrous undertaking as the chips themselves would require being bumped again or the chip has to be discarded.'

Anyone else seen that given the Minion's design?

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/PinMapMinion_zps88d3765f.png

Minion Datasheet 2014 APR 11 (http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/download/minion_preliminary_datasheet_2014.04.11.pdf)

While I have no love for routing BGAs, I'm curious... Did your EE specify why they believe the 'inner' pins can't be brought out directly?  It looks like two power planes (row A through AH and the sides of AJ, AK) and signaling pins at row AK that can just be routed straight out one edge, and row AJ that can be routed in between the pads of AK.

Between the pads? Really is there enough space that be a pretty tiny trace wouldn't it?

Yes, but doable - they're just signaling pins so don't have to carry much current. Talk to the fab you're using, they should be able to tell you the trace widths/clearance/etc. (preferably they'd toss you a design rules file for your package of choice).  But that's why I was wondering if your EE had some specific concerns (crosstalk or noise or whatever) that makes them think they'd rather via to further planes.

I was speculating it is probably something else but he did go on about not being able to get the traces through then again this would be laid out automatically with the cad software and I believe that is something requiring some pretty extensive modules in a CAD software something our team doesn't have.

If I remember correctly he did have concerns in that regard with the A1 traces as the pads on that chip were tiny let me go back and listen again to the meeting recording to tease out more information. The BGA is a different kettle of fish entirely though from the A1 though.

Edit: "You can't run a wire between the balls they'd short" from the meeting recording.

For sure the first test board will be with minimum layers.
The if this fails you can go to the next level.
There will be plenty of time for this during FW is written and debugged.
My biggest concern is cooling.
Any thoughts on this ?

While the power pins area can be autorouted (assuming that's what you meant), I'd just route the signal pins manually first.  But yes, try to get more information.. more layers = more expensive, more chances of something going wrong, etc.  via-in-pad is a whole 'nother world of hurt that's preferably avoided :)

As with the chips you're already used to, vias to a plane on the other side, main cooling element there.  You could see if the ground pins can be through-via'd to the other side (rather than to an internal layer, if used).  The datasheet doesn't seem to mention power dissipation, so choice of cooling element (anodized at exposed areas) would probably have to come after you've got prototypes complete.  Maybe @blackarrow can shed some more light on that, though :)

( tbh, given the chip has practically only a single purpose and scant few features are optional, I'm surprised to see no 'typical application and layout' section in the datasheet. Would certainly help get their chips to market on products. )

They are going to use their massive air cooling solution for theirs, but I know CoolIT is very interested in getting involved, so if someone's board design would like to go that route, I can put them in touch with the right people :)

Also if someone in the US buys enough chips, I have BA's permission to deliver them by hand lol.

Yes exactly... the world of hurt is the issue really and anything that might cause higher fabrication error rates is something you must avoid given the price of a single chip. For us it will require our team to invest in more upgrades to Allegro. We are probably going to look at work to a certain point then have someone with the skills and tools to do that aspect. Be interesting, if you want to sit in our meeting, to bend our EE's ear on this as well TheRealSteve let me know I can PM you the details.

Cooling with these are less of problem than with the A1's that is for sure in terms it is not 70% 30% top and bottom. As time goes on these boards will all need some exotic cooling ala Allied Control / Asicminer farm in HK. I am hoping our Hammer Whiteface board will be tested in HK at Allied Control in a new 2 phase system they are designing... potentially from that prototype we could have a Minion Whiteface and "R" Whiteface will be dunked in some Novec but that is something everyone is going to have to move towards if they are going for increased density. Immersion cooling can save you a lot of money.

Soooo
1-st of May passed.
I paid 540 USD for 5 sample chips
and no info ,no tracking, no communication at all
My account in blackarrow is removed


Is this SCAM ????

tracking info received by e-mail

woah  :o

Then no need to concern about layer & cooling yet until there is anyproof of sample availability LOL

In the past? Your problems will be in the past when you refund my BTC1.34 that you stole from me.

Ya he has some gall eh?

@ Bick
How are your online meetings going , any progress ?
Any working product ? ;)
You always prefer to quote trolls like Joe and call us scam , instead showing a real mining board .
You know the fact that we had some problems is not going to change the fact that after a months of hard work you got , what ?
And since you are not familiar with Joe's case I assume you are just looking for a chance to make us look bad.
Please , I'm really sorry that we managed to came out with working projects and you are still trying .
Please try better and keep us on your ignore list. Good luck

@ Joe
Go ask the post  office or next time just pay the handling tax for signed post service, then if it is lost you will know.
Your chips were shipped with regular mail as far you refused to pay handling fee!

While I agree to some end with your comments regarding that WASP project, it really does seem that there's always a constant stream of people trying to grab your ear because  you're fucking them around.  I hope things get sorted out for you with the BA chips because I like them being in the hands of comptent developers, but maybe you could also take some time for some self-reflection.

I agree
May be this is the right pill for me .
Just to taste where  some of our customers with December and January delays of our bitfury based products were.
Let's hope Black Arrow will be able to ship us samples after all.

You're a good man Marto.

Soooo
after our small talk here still no update from BA
:)

^

Great,
now samples shipping?
and some tech info ?

Ill be getting that from them in person, probably Friday/Saturday. I assume they are waiting to pass final tests before releasing samples.

... even code updates :)

great 10x

just got an e-mail from black arrow
shows picked up in China

If he put less time spraying hate on people who legitimately have a reason to complain then we'd all be good.

As for what the WPC does or doesn't do means little to the community as I said before. We are not taking anyone's resources but our own. It is funny how he wants to scream scam at the BlackArrow team so quickly yet doesn't want to face the musak from a number of people still questioning refunds for group buys and whatnot.

If you doubt the work we are doing then feel free to join a meeting. Determine for yourself where we are or aren't dropt if you have the time we are open to letting members of the community have a look. Nothing to hide.

Bick,
You just can not stay on topic , right ?
Again I'm not BFL Josh or your friend from AMT ;)
You can't resist , do you ?
Sorry everybody for the flowing off topic, but it have to be answered
The only one GB I made was Avalon 1 GB.
Everybody that requested it with signed msg got a refund for the cost of the chips from JhonK.
All the screaming was about the GB tax that a few members got a promise from me to be refunded even it was not by GB rules.
A few of them got it already as a offset from  orders for hardware with us.
Some of them that are screaming around will wait until I'm able to do it as far it is just an act of good will.
Everything else is sorted except wrong orders for assembly service that did not deliver chips to us and started to post big red letter.
Everybody taking this way is not going to get things sorted faster, that's all

Back on topic
I send BA a few questions regarding chip description.
I'll be very gratefull if I got an answer

Wrong Bick ;D
You are taking your developers time for free and on top they are paying you a member fee ;D
However it is their will. You are not forcing them to donate their time and money to your project.
We have a saying which in English sounds like
The mad man is not the one who is eating the cake but the one who is giving it for free
Buy the way how are your meetings going lately?
No announcement no CSS designs and provisioning serves
Are you still on track? ;D
 Excuse me for off topic guys

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Looks like you're going to win the Minion production race as well Martin !  What's the estimated hash rate with your set up, or do I need to pay a membership fee to find out that info? (just kidding)

 

I got my questions answered by BA via PM
10x

Good to hear it

Got an e-mail from DHL that Monday sending with the chips from BA will be ready for customs clearence

If anyone in the US needs sample chips, I will be bringing some back with me from Shenzen tomorrow, and can get them overnighted to anywhere in the US.

Test board here and sample chips are here
Going to PnP tommorrow
http://s21.postimg.org/g7nnxbcab/20140515_170040.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/g7nnxbcab/)

http://s21.postimg.org/4h9qfxjhv/20140515_170057.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/4h9qfxjhv/)

I paid 5 and got 6 sample chips
Thank you BA

Based on chip specs / the amount of chips on his board I would say around 800gh/s to 960gh/s. I'm going to guess maybe lower if the chips are unbinned / not all the cores are working. That thing is definitely looking nice but will put out a crap ton of heat!

http://s11.postimg.org/4d71ytixr/20140516_222616.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/4d71ytixr/)

Go Marto! :)

Is there a bitbet for who's gonna be first? I'm putting my $5 on Marto! :)

There is no bitbet AFAIK
But you can make one I'll gladly participate ;)

I have 20 of these chips in hand in the US, for anyone that is interested.

Get some to Mr. Teal so he can cook up something spicy.

The chips are now in stock available for immediate dispatch.

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/minion-asic.html

Great news

testing ...
http://s13.postimg.org/435sivq83/IMG_20140529_122802.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/435sivq83/)

http://s13.postimg.org/tagoj4tc3/IMG_20140529_122832.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/tagoj4tc3/)

the beauty is hashing... yet ?

Yes very first test 1 chip @ 78 GHs
http://s9.postimg.org/nfqo1njob/77_78_GHs.png (http://postimg.org/image/nfqo1njob/)
http://s9.postimg.org/5e7j3upnf/77_78_GHs_CCA1_Test_btcguild.png (http://postimg.org/image/5e7j3upnf/)

No in cgminer 90+ GHs
http://s21.postimg.org/on7l5qurr/Minion90_GHs_cgminer.png

Bick , thank you for the support ;)

Looking awesome!

Don't forget to open source it.... whoops.

$ per gh/s for a finished unit?

Delivery date?

Dear Bick troll,
please just do not write to me.
I paid for my samples.
Only you are getting free ones :)
Go back to your meetings.

Bick,
As we all know $ per GH is formed 99% by the chip price or you have some other bright ideas ;D
In case you do share them with black arrow  ;)

Abut the open source I am ready to pay you THE LICENSE FEE in order to be able to get the source of your blinking led ;D it should be open source right as WASP 'markets it' with some closed Properatry parts  in order LEDs to talk to licensing server and charge you customers per blink ;D
By the way did you finished your licensing server? If not I strongly suggest to do it ASAP so you can take my money immediately for the famous and unforgettable source of the blinking led board hashing with ZERO GH ;D
As far as I know cgminer patch is always released from Technobit so you will be able to optimize your led blinks looking at it ;D ;D
Now seriously if I were in black arrow shoes and you and WASP WAS the only one option for me to make business the first thing I would do is to commit suicide while admiring how bright and  shiny your led blinks ;D

Please Bick...don't even start competing against Marto...
He have a long track record about HardWare BTC miners (and now even Scrypt !).

You : A LED blinking board...ROFL...

After this post Bick put a negative trust rating on you ..... ROFL
Judge Bick pronunced his judgment :D
I think this is pathethic and the things gone a little bit too far , don't you think , BICK ?

The WASP project is a bit a joke at this point, but I (mostly) let Bicknelski keep dreaming his dream.  Bringing their progress, or lack thereof really doesn't add much to the conversation short triggering one of his rage fuelled rants.  Probably best just to ignore the whole situation.

I personally do not have anything against WASP project  and never commented on them until Bick started in march to post against us.
I was silent for more than a month and when started to answer the things escalated to a stupid war.
BIck went too far and started to openly declare that his goal is to destroy our business.
even the moderators had to be involved.
But putting  a negative trust rating on somebody for posting different than your opinion is ridiculous.
I thing enough is enough. Bick stop this!!!!!!

I had no idea that he had set a goal to destroy your business; the guy's losing it.

At the end we all have the option to open a thread and asking all folks here who believe that Bick has put himself in a god position to judge and rete him with NEGATIVE rating. I am wandering what his trust gonna be ;D
Personally I will wait a little bit more to see if he is going to change it and I will open a thread to rate Bick.
Then we will see if he is a god or he just suffers from mental disorder ;D
Bick it is about time to rate you famous WASP partner called AMT ;D
Do you think so ;D
Oh I forgot amt KNOWHOW can put second blinking led on your PCB ;D ;D which will double the LICENSE FEE for your "OPEN SOURCE" project ;D  
Just make sure you let the community know what is going on with AMT especially US folks. it is about time right? ;D
It is just a pice of cake to rate BKK NG marto and many others but AMT?
None owns you nothing Bick is it so hard to understand?

Only judge people based on evidence.

Like this:


https://i.imgur.com/WgLFxnV.jpg

Thank you Marto (you know for what ) ;)

How pathetic...I don't like Bick and his behavior but i don't put negative feedback on him...i'm not a child.

Just like the results of the latest hardware you photoshopped? I heard you have 40% error rate on your hardware.

No one has to wonder whether I photoshopped anything I have links in all my posts for reference to your trust and your poll.
My stuff is 100% accurate

Look here, then look at Martos trust, perfect match

https://i.imgur.com/WgLFxnV.jpg

4 chip minion board testing
@ about 400 W @ the wall

http://s1.postimg.org/hzrvh2m27/360_GHs_4_Chips.png
*greetings Bick :D

Got pics of the board?

tomorrow i upload them too

I respect your appraisal but disagree.

In terms of hate fuelled rants. You can have a look at who is doing all that particularly Loshia.

If you can't reimburse people you have taken money from then you deserve to be called out.

Unfortunately Marto74 doesn't want to play by those rules. Notice he never responds to those questions about what he owes with yes sorry give me your address and I will send you the BTC right now. Never and that is the difference here my friends. I have held coin for others. I have refunded people. I have made errors and I have apologized to customers. Marto74 is definitely not like me. He takes your money and if things go a little sideways he looks to cover his own ass first. If you want to do business with people like that fine you are welcome to do business with him. Where this all comes to a head for me is that he starts railing against me and the WPC in an effort to deflect the focus off his bad deeds. Again if you want to ignore his crimes fine. But I don't have to.

I was polite and I respectfully declined Loshia offer for competition with Marto74 on this very thread. Why because we are not in competition and I told them just worry about your customers there are number of them with complaints and they started this shit slinging campaign that continues on today all over bitcointalk. They threatened to 'end me' in no uncertain terms in PM's so this is what you get when push me. I won't be backing down till they make good on all the people who have had a legitimate complaint of fraud and misappropriation of funds against Marto74 and Technobit. My reputation from those who have done any business with me is clear and above board and never once resulted in people never wanting to do business with me again.

I am quite a reasonable person and the 55 members of the WPC are all quite reasonable people. The hardware and software engineers working on boards are reasonable people and again if our dreams do not meet the expectations of the community that is not really our concern cause we do this internally not taking the communities money. One thing is sure we won't be out here to rip anyone off like Marto74. He can try to deny it, the evidence is available in the forums for all to see, and shout down people and pay off people make positive posts or attacks on me or the WPC that is fine it doesn't really affect me or the WPC really.

The only way this ends now is if he makes people he stole from whole. He is ruining his own business with his own practices and his campaign to negate my voice. Pointing out his lack of ethical behavior doesn't take a lot of effort and that is why I will from this point forward ONLY post about Marto74 and his troll like followers in the  Technobit Fucks Us Over (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=647966.0) thread to save everyone anyone more distractions. Now I suggest you will not see the same thing from Marto et al. You will continue to see him campaign against me in pretty unflattering ways. But again no matter this game only ends for me when he fully refunds everyone.

Congratulations!

led boy,
Do you believe you have 55 members?
And no one from them dares to comment what is your connection with amt and Josh Zipkin on this thread?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=647962.msg7257365#msg7257365
About Technobit fucks us over again it very easy to moderate the thread about other company?
Hahaha
Epic
As I said welcome in amt fucks us over again and post there. this thread is not moderated.
The nice part is that Christmas is coming led boy ;) go back to your LEDs Bick
 ;D
As you see Bick people do appreciate Technobit work EVEN black arrow himself saluted marto.

Where is your work led boy with 55 slaves paying you the member ship fee. ;D
Congrats marto nice work as always :D

Photos and after a few hours

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http://s28.postimg.org/oxp77o5rt/IMG_20140613_090011.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/oxp77o5rt/)

Blinking LEDs :)
For Bick

http://youtu.be/f77YAriM9Uw (http://youtu.be/f77YAriM9Uw)

http://youtu.be/wXhMkG_r1_s (http://youtu.be/wXhMkG_r1_s)

Do you hear that Marto74? That's the sound of minions knocking on your door! Looks like you'll be getting a lot of chips in the mail from soon to be happy customers.

Not that I want to get involved in this but I want to say that from my knowledge no connection is present between the two parties or AMT and the WASP. Again this is my view and I don't want to be a part of what is going on between all parties.

Regards, Beastlymac

You can call Bick whatever you like, but don't get personal with the other members of the WPC.
We are not slaves, we joined and paid the membership fee voluntarily.

Thanks Ben
I like the fact that you PAID VOLUNTARILY  which is just the opposite Bick statements that "we do not collect money from community" . besides the word paid involves money as I understand it?
So back to you Ben do you fill to be a part of this community or you feel to be a part from WASP ONLY?
Thank you in advance Ben

It's probably a language thing, but if you become a member of a group that requires a membership to be paid, you pay that membership if you want to become a member.
I became a member of that group, so it was normal for me to pay.

I am also a member of the bitcoin community here on bitcointalk, but that membership has nothing to do with me being a member of the WPC nor has it anything to do with paying for the membership.

What Bick means is that the WPC is not collecting money from the bitcoin community for a pre-order scam or whatever else scams that are going on here. And I am not pointing to anyone, although I had my issues with some.
The WPC has collected money for the membership, something that has been agreed on by all members.

If you want to communicate any more about this subject, please open another thread. I don't want to pollute this thread any more than I already did.

Why are you running them only at 900Mhz? They can easily run at 1200Mhz with 0.81V - 0.85V with no hardware errors.

Looking great!

That's great for 4 chips!  Now bring on the 8 chip board!

Assembly service in sale

http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=79&controller=product&id_lang=1 (http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=79&controller=product&id_lang=1)

Great to see! I may send you some chips for a few boards just to have :)

:)
Great

We are offering a new price: $0.49/Ghash for quantities higher than 4400PCS.

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Or 2 x 4 chips equals one eight chip board ;)

7 Hex4M Minion based boards on a single TP-link
http://s29.postimg.org/ssodam63b/2_8_THs_7_boards.png

No shit martoooo ;D
2.8T in single 3020 tp-link :o
 that should be quite disappointing for pi fans :'(
PS:
By the way reject rate is insane. Congrats good work as always :P

We are intersted in reselling your IC's we have sent you an email already from www.miningforge.com

still no response ...