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they will never get it back.

The chances are so. I don't understand the need to take the gold to the US. If they were fearful of a Russian invasion, then they could take the gold to some of the neighboring nations, such as Hungary or Slovakia.

Germany still demands it's gold reserve back (as does France). Germany got some golden bars, that didn't have German seal on them, after Lybian gold got hauled over to US. Chances are, Germany will get more gold "repatriated" in freshly re-cast Ukrainian gold.

Fat chance of getting any of it back. The US will classify it as holocaust repatriation payments and keep it in the federal reserve.

It was Russia who defeated the Nazi Germany. And how did the US got to keep all the gold?

I bet the trouble in Ukraine was a secret operation by the US government. I saw on TV a few days ago. US government hired mercenary to create problem in Ukraine.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/russia-claims-american-mercenaries-are-eastern-ukraine-n74571
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576490/Are-Blackwater-active-Ukraine-Videos-spark-talk-U-S-mercenary-outfit-deployed-Donetsk.html

While on the topic of gold. Last I read, there are some priceless Scythian gold artefacts sitting in Holland they were on loan for a special exhibition, organised shortly before the unrest turned violent, with items coming from 4 Crimean and 1 Ukrainian museums. Not recognising Crimea, Holland refused to return the items.

One would think that it would be natural to return those artefacts to the respective museums whence they come from.


And it's not just about gold:

Considering Russia did occupied Hungary after WW2 and build ( well rebuild it ), started projects like underground transport system, and other projects I still think Russia has a big influence there and would get gold or at least some part of it....

There is one big difference. Russia would have gotten the gold out of Hungary to return it to Ukrainian vaults as Russia has no interest in having a destabilised country for it's neighbour. With the gold  looted to US, it's gone from Ukrainian vaults for good.

Russia has a great interest in having a destabilised country for a neighbour, for just long enough to take advantage of the destabilisation to take over the country.

I doubt that. No nation wants a failed state to be its neighbor. Russia just wants NATO to keep its bases away from Ukraine. I think that is Putin's main concern about the recent events in Ukraine.

That logic fails. By taking a destabilised state and incorporating it into your own country, you take all the instability, which would undermine your country from within. Russia is interested in a neutral, stable buffer state. That's one of the reasons Russia was subsidising gas and giving grants (not loans) to Ukraine. This is also the reason why Russia now pushes for constitutional reforms so that Ukraine becomes a federation, which should keep the interests of both Eastern and Western regions in balance. And Russia is prepared to give financial help to Ukraine (again) once a legitimate government is formed.

If this is true, then we should expect the 'liberation' of some other countries as well. Who might they be?

Well not true at all... Destabilize one country and that it is a USA way for decades now. Destabilize economy, industry, military, education system, health care, food production and just take over that country by promising better things if that country takes credits. If Russia takes gold from Ukraine then it will have leverage considering gold is high rated commodity in IMF and gives lots of votes + selling gold gives you cash to pay your debts, if Ukraine isnt able to due that Russia would have advantage in taking over key industry points.

its no nazi gold its gold from the bundesbank which was bought after ww2.... they somehow had the idea that the gold would be safer in us hands..
and they are getting it back now.. slowly and cost expensive...

Germany should have intercepted it, as they have requested their physical gold back from the Fed and have been told, essentially, that the return of said gold will take around 77 years

I have no idea. China may be? They have huge gold reserves.... and their reserve is probably bigger than even that of the US.

With one important, I would say, vital, difference: The US destabilises countries not on its borders, but on somebody else's borders.

Lookin on history, russia is a wolf. When Sovjet get formed millions died, millions have died in the russian wars. Know with a new leader Russia is starting to look out of its own boarders. To be a neighbour country to Russia would scare the hell out of me If I was a leader (not under russia hands). If I were them I would send all my gold to a neutral country that shown international stability during any event the 150 last years. US have not have a war in the country, only pearl harbour bombing. Regards to stability and its power US is the best place to send a country gold. If you sends it to a neighbour country that might be under russian influece somehow, the chance is bigger to never see the gold.

If more parts in Ukraine becomes a fedaration of Russia, I rather keep the Ukrainian gold reserve a other place. This if something happens, then "Ukraine" has resources that backs up the people elected goverment if they go in exile, if a intervention are started.

What is strange I think, is that a russian speaking minority are so rude that they want to rip a country to pieces just because they talk russian and are from or born by russians. Regardless of historical border lines. in the 21 century we can not look on history and do claims from that, there will be wars over and over again because everybody is entitled to their history. And never be peace and social growth. If they love Russia so move to the promised land russia.
Such beheavior just encourage other countries not to help  people needing it into their countries to help, because later they will have independence, in 10, in 50 or 100 years....and civil war arises.

Norway for example could go to war to Sweden and claim the land their lost for hundreds a year of. Norway with is echonomy could build a military that Sweden could dream off. Also Norway could got to war towards Denmark because greenland historically it was Norwegian. Expecially with the oil resources that know are detected in the north. What about claiming Iceland also, it was Norwegian also during the Viking area. There is plenty of reasons to claim land for any country if looking historical on it. Its a bad thing and shows uninteligancy and just greed and subjective solutions to own benefits.

Since when of 60-80 percent of a population constituted a minority?
You appear to have absorbed too much to the Western media propaganda. Sigh.
You know that when Soviet Union was formed, millions of Russians died too, right?

You parallel to Norway is not applicable as those territories that Norway could historically lay claim to are not populated by Norwegians and have no local support for secession to Norway. Though the relation between Norwegians and Swedes reminds to some degree relation between Russians and Ukrainians. :)

The situation can be better compared to Ireland and Northern Ireland.

I'll let others respond to your other statements.

Thats the point, and what I ment. when Sovjet get formed, Millions of Russians died. After Sovjet get formed also millions was killed by Stalin. It says something about the one that is power (I am not talking about the people).
 I have not absorbed the western propaganda, its about neutral data in the historical books. For example some still talks that the judecamps germans had in ww2 not existed, due to the fact of historical documentation. Many people have also died in many substitud US wars, also in Russian substituded wars. In general any superpower always has bad influence, thats the backside of being a super power. In the western world (at least where I live) I can look up russian media, US media, europe media etc. But Russia government control the media almost 100%, so the people just get one side of the story and thereby also support that side. I seen news programs so antiwestern that is to get seek of. The western media I look on does not say bad words about russia in general, but bad words about what they do when they do something considered wrong. And regards to international law, that russia also support, its not legal to incorporate Crime into Russia the way they done. But since it isin their interest they do it. If the people in crime not see that Russia just do it since it is in Russias best interest, and not to be deliberatior. Russia has military and strategic interest in claiming Crime. If it not had they had let Crime sail alone. It's not good for the security of small countries around the world, that superpowers can support and eventually somehow incorporate a country to a federation. This is colonizing, something that belongs to the history.

In Ukraine in total there is not 60 - 80% of the population that not is Ukrainian. At least 60 -80% are not Russians, I think I can claim this without check the data. In Crime maybe 60 - 80% are russians, but Crime is a part of ukraine. Crime and Ukraine should works towards understandment rather than build up conflict towardseach other. Since Crime is ukrainian, they need to respect the borders, in same way Ukrainian should respect the russians in Crime and give them the rights in same way as all ukrainians.  Even if a country eventually would have 80% that is not original habitants, this population should not work towards destabilisating the original structure of that country. It do not make social growth in the long run, but puts a country developement back to zero. It takes years to build up a good social existens for all habitants in a country. If for example sweden in future would have 60% Muslims or from a other one country, it does not entitles them to sease land and create/claim a own country or federation. Such thing will make sure there always is a war waiting in the future. Instead all minorities and the one in plural should work towards solutions that gain the country as a hole in the long run. And if country will vote to be federation, all habitants will be able to vote. And if you have other meanings than the majority you do not get beaten or in worse case a gun to your head (this may be "wetern" propaganda"), or lose your job or other. You are respected of your individual stand point, and if the majority means something other the voting shows it and you respect the result.

My point in general is that secrecation, minority or not should be a issue in the 21 century. People should work towards other goals. No mather where you come from religious, rase, political or other.

Regards to Norwegian claiming, it can apply to Denmark and greenland. But in general the first "western" human seting foot on Iceland and Greenland were a norwegian. Even the North America. But in Greenland and N america have their own natives that already were there. But Iceland  population is from Norway back in time (even also danish and swedish but mostly Norwegians).

In general I think its sad what happening in Ukraine, regardless of which side you are on. Its just reinforce that history repeats itself over and over again. Crime is a hotspot regards to historical events. 

I can't believe this BS. It has been almost 70 years since the US stole Germany's gold reserves and they are yet to give that back. And adding to that the US debt now exceeds $17 trillion. I'd say that US is the worst place to send the gold reserves right now.

Agreed. As ironical as it may sound, Ukraine would have had better chance of having its gold back if they sent it for safekeeping to Russia.  :P

I agree that US is  not the ideal place to send the gold due to debth and other. But historicaly its the country wich been stable within its borders. I would not send the gold to China, or a small country in general that not has the military power itself to keep biger countries outside. But today, US will not get away with stealing Ukraine gold. They are a Nato member, and if they somehow would steal the gold I bet at least germany would have a saying since they have historical experience.

Regards to Russia, I would not send gold or anything else there because of the corruption and how closed things are. I am not talking abount the people, but people high up. Russia have a "closed" democracy that not allows who ever party to go to elections. If you look on how rich a small part of the people are compared to the average for me its looks like the system is designed to enrich a small portion of the population. Even the rich are living and moving to the western world. Russia has one of the worlds biggest rawmaterial resourches, and still they are in debth and other issues.
 Its not entirely a russia having that problem, but beacause so many few gets the wealth, the population inheritage the problems. If Russia were runed for the population, they would distributed the wealth to the benefit of country, federations and population.
US also have similar problems where capitalists are sitting with the main wealth, and the poorest are strugling very hard. US also have a partysystem I not entirely support. But its more open than the Russian though.
In general I do not like the split and concquer strategi superpowers in general has. 

But in general when a country like Ukraine has problems, who can they trust? They trust the one that helsp and support them....

Onar
Well... It seems that you have no idea what you are talking about.  ::)

Stalin's real surname is Dzhugashvili, he was georgian... Lenin was half-german.. So, according to your logic, Georgia and Germany are wolves here.

People is a source of power in the democratic state. That's why UN Charter, article 1 paragraph 2 has greater priority.

Central government did absolutely nothing for the people of Crimea during the last three decades. No roads, no schools, no language recognition, absolutely nothing. Only dictatorship, corruption and humiliating bills (de facto withdrawal of autonomy in 1993, multiple attempts to edit national anthem and many other cases). And that's a major issue here.

Are you saying that Crimea residents staged a Nazi coup in Kiev?  ::)

Sorry, but that's how democracy works. Obama is afraid of real democracy just like a vampires are afraid of holy water, that's why whe see all these hysterical screams about violation something there. :)

Your approach violates an international law.


Pay some attention, it says peoples, neither states nor governments. That's the point here.

... or prevent it in the future, which is much more likely. An autonomy of Crimea has been unilaterally withdrawn by Kiev's government in 1993, which is a direct violation of constitution and all treaties between Sebastopol and Kiev. So, it seems that your approach doesn't work here. People have already seen that they can't trust Kiev's promises and decided to declare the republic of crimea. Here's the end of old story, and beginning of another...

The same is correct for any "liberal" society, without exceptions. USA, Germany, France, Russia, et cetera they are all "imitative"/"managed"/"moderate" democracy states. Money always wins here, that's why liberalism is a cancer of the civilization.

Regards to Us debths, its huge, but the echonomy is also huge also outsie borders. The thing is noone can collect the depth, it will result that countires and banks around the world loses their money. If this happens they only have a toilet paper to use. Because the debth gets worthless.

For Ukraine US might be the best option. In worste case, if things goes in a away it probably not will, they can be in war and if that happens there is no more Ukraine. By transporting the gold out of country, the government have control of it no matter what happens. Maybe aGermany would be better?

Onar, after my last reply to you I was sitting thinking which country I would send gold too if I had to evacuate it from Ukraine and actually had authority to do so. I came up short.


The question is, which government?  :P

I had a hard time understanding the posts. Anyway I'll make that simple.

1. USA is not a good place to store another nation's gold reserves. Because they similarly took the gold from Germany and never gave back.
2. The best option for Ukraine was probably Germany or France, but I don't think there was enough threat to move the gold reserves in the first place.

I do not have any 100% idea of all, only my interpretantions.
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Yes and Germany have been a superpower historical and has been a dangerous power. They had a war builder that resulted in WW2.
I am not talking about Russians as wolfes, I talking about the ones running the countries. I would in no circumstances call and generalize a hole people to onee therm. It looks like rulerships methods are inherited, no where where you are from. For example Russia government still uses Sovjet methods. For example Putin is a formal KGB worker. He is thought the Sovjet way. It does not mather where in Russia he is from.
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Yes thats through, but do Crime represent entire Ukraine. What about the Tatars that are the natives of Crime. Maybe they should decide what Crime do? They are a minority group in Crime, just as russian Crimes are in Ukraine.


Thats why I say that Ukrainians need to respect Crime russians also, recognition goes both way and history must be left to be history and work towards similar goals. Otherwise all this will repeat itself in future. In general the formal government of ukraine are no longer, isn't the formal governmental the blame of the bad 3 decades?
My discussion is not about repressing russian Crimes, I think entire country should recognice every minority and not surpress, if you are a tatar, russian, Ukrainian or other minority anywhere in the country.
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No, I do not believe that Crimea residents staged a Nazi coup or other coup in Kiev. The coup in Kiev was because of the former presidents corrupt behavior  and neglect over years. But what happend in Crime was that they took advantage of the vacuum that appeared in Kiev, to make a vote to join Russia. Also the options to vote on was like this. Do you want to be a own country or be a russian federation. This exclude many that had voted otherwise.

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Then we need to close our borders, do not help other minorities group. In future they may claim your land so is better to turn the back to them!
In general territoral borders that exists today should be respected by citizens and foreign countries. And the aim should be to build better social conditions for all citizens. not one group. History shows civil war, and war towards other countries just fuel future wars.


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In Crime, only Crime people made a vote. I mean entire Ukraine should have voted. I may take wrong regards to international law, but have not claimed I have right. Its just an opinion. But thats maybe because I am from a country where minority groups are taken care of positive.


It may be. But the old Kiev government does not exist any more. How long did the last president be in power? Hopefully the new government will run by democratic principles and also care about the minorities..

In general I do not think it will be better to be a part of a huge country as Russia. A small area like Crime would be neglected because of the bigger picture. But this is a subjective opinion. In general when looking on Russia most parts are neglected unless area is located in central parts.

Thats true. Money wins everywhere, thats why people want power. Russia, China US, and other.



The question is, which government?  :P
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Thats a good point. My assumption is the original government ;) and that it is shipped to a trustable country.
If I were to choose, I would choose one of the Nordic countries thats protected by Nato.

Or a option is to dig a hole in the ground. Draw a map, hide the map and live cryptaded message of where to find in a bitcoin hash, that will be released sometime in the future.
This would be a trye Goldcoin, compared to many of the other fake coins that are created.

In general I do not believe in 100% "liberal" nor "communistic". echonomy. I believe in the nordic solution a hybrid, between cpital and social echonomy. Where the desgn of the echonomy is to help, protect also the poor. This to avoid dividing society in different groups that in long run fuels revolution and not social growth.
But even here, money talks.

they both did it, Russia and US/GB/FR..

Yes, but the war would have been shorter and the losses would have been some million fewer if GB and US responded to Soviet's multiple pleas for help and opened the second front in 1942. So excuse Russians (and by that I mean Soviets from all the involved republics) when they feel a little peeved.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-allies-second-front-in-world-war-ii-why-were-canadian-troops-sacrificed-at-dieppe/32403

they have every right..

even before WW2, GB,France and the US were trying to hussle Germany into marching east, you can see that from various illustrations and smaller things

they didn't want a communist country start anywhere in the world as they were afraid of it spreading out to their own country

"Fear of communism", was just a pretext for the public's benefit. We see the same pattern of fomenting anti-Russian sentiment before WWI, and nowadays. The simple and more correct answer would be: they didn't want the competition, and they wanted the resources. ;)

yep, you got it right

they have established an order where everything seems equal to the public but in reality we're all just capitalist slaves of bigger countries

It's 99 years since Russia is safe keeping romanian gold , but that of course it's normal :)

It seems that somebody is misinformed... According to Central Bank records, ~64 tonnes were already returned during 1930-1990. Another ~7 tonnes were arrested as reparations for the damage, which was caused by WW2. I think that it's much better than situation with Germany.

Only 33 tones have been returned , not 64.
And here we're talking only about gold. the other valuables are still missing.

According to Gheorghe Gheorghiu records, "a problem of monarchical gold reserves was permanently closed", and I see no reason to doubt in his words... The authorities, who have replaced Ceauşescu, are simply looking for the ways to earn some additional points, that's all. They can have another point of view, of course.

Wait , are we talking about the puppet of Stalin? The man that forced king Mihai to abdicate? the one that sent peoples with shovels to dig the Danube - Black Sea canal where 200 000 romanians died?
The man that got that crazy that even Russians had to dispose of him?

Get yourself another source:)

Such rhetoric does not make any sense when we are talking about material goods.  ::) There are records of sending and receiving gold (both Soviet and Romanian records for 1934, 1936 and 1950-1960s, 1986), there are statements from politicians (Gheorghiu, Ceauşescu)... Ceauşescu even have sent a request to Moscow in 1986. He asked Gorbachev to confirm that no error has been occurred, and that the gold received on in 1986 really was from the Romanian reserves. If you want to challenge them, then you have to conduct an investigation for all of their activities.

However, even if all you have said is correct, it doesn't matter. Gold was received in 1916 by Nicolas II government. Lenin's government announced that the Russian Federation is not a successor of the Russian Empire. So USSR had a right to return nothing at all... Because de jure and de facto it had nothing in common with the empire or Nicholas II, except territory. Especially after the two world wars. However, the refund was done, even if not completely... So, you really need another source.   :)

This is the only known line when Ceausescu is talking about the gold and it's with brejnev.

brejnev denied that the urss had any gold still in storage

reading through the discussion with gorbaciov there is no mention of gold/treasure.

And no , i'm not posting the lines in romanian just to annoy 247crypto :)

Romania were one of the aggressors in the WW2, which caused around 30 million Russian deaths. Even after this, it was the generosity of the USSR to allow more than half of the gold to be repatriated.

March 1940
29: The Russians want new territories. Molotov speaks to the Supreme Soviet, about "an unsettled dispute", the question of Romanian Bessarabia.

June 1940
27: Romanians propose negotiations. Molotov replies that the demands are land concessions or war. New ultimatum from the Soviets to the Romanians.

28: The Red Army occupies Romanian Bessarabia and the northern part of Bukovina.

August 1940
30: The bombing of England continues; London is now bombed in retaliation for the bombing of Berlin; thus, the beginning of "the London Blitz."
: Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini dictated the so-called Second Vienna Award which forced Romania to hand over the Northern Transylvania (including the entire Maramureş and part of Crişana) to Hungary.

September 1940
6: King Carol abdicates the Romanian throne in favour of his son Michael while control of the government is taken by Marshal Antonescu.

October 1940
7: Germany invades Romania to block the Soviet Army and get access to valuable oil fields.

November 1940
23: Romania signs the Tripartite Pact.

So , we were the aggressors?

How is that?
Now really , while I appreciate a lot of your post... please , at least when you're talking about my country double check the info

Everything you said here about Romania is right,but all the Russian manipulation from 1945 until this days kept the truth away from other nations.

Well, the Russian sources (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%F3%EC%FB%ED%E8%FF_%E2%EE_%C2%F2%EE%F0%EE%E9_%EC%E8%F0%EE%E2%EE%E9_%E2%EE%E9%ED%E5#.D0.9F.D1.80.D0.B5.D0.B4.D1.8B.D1.81.D1.82.D0.BE.D1.80.D0.B8.D1.8F) don't completely disagree with you.

Though, according to the article, the troops didn't enter the territory until after Bessarabia was officially given up by the Crown Council. The troops were in war mode on both sides on the border.

And we give that up just because we were nice , not because there were two million Russian troops at our borders threatening us to take all over the country :).

This is just like the Serb vs Croat debate here. Funny. Neither of the sides will admit their mistakes, while trying to paint the other side as the bad guys. This debate is never going to end.  ;D

Not really. It was the same as when German forces entered half of central Europe and the allies didn't say a word.
Except that when Germans entered Romania the us started bombing Romanian cities (by mistake).

But , the debates will never end... that's why we have this subsection , right ? :))))

I don't want to say that Russians are bad,Romanian did their mistake too and here i am talking about Stalin's Romanians puppets :Gheorghiu Dej and Ceausescu. I need days to explain exactly how much Stalin harmed Romania ,from the moment when Germans bombed several city's and the oil pomp's and forced Romania into war against Russia ,to the moment when Romanian people start the revolution in 1989.
And you all know  "the history is written by the victors" even if is not true .

it is true..

We did make a lot of mistakes also during that period so we're not some angels but the problem is that because of some idiots : hitler stalin ceausescu lots of people died.
And those types of leaders are still lurking in the shadows waiting for the right moment.

That's why i dislike Putin more than Mombama.

What kind of leader would you like to see in Russia? What should his actions and decrees be?
Some argue that Putin is right for Russia at this point in history, that another Yeltsin would have brought Russia do complete ruin and disintegration.
And why does everyone forget Medvedev? I quite like him as a president. He managed to settle the border issue with Norway that no one before managed to agree upon for ca. 80 years before that.

Well your first question was answered by your third line :)).
I would love to see a president who cares more about the corruption and the problems in Russian society. And you have to agree there is lot of work there.

I think that this whole show of superpowers flexing their muscles is so yesterday.
Of course , same for his counterparts.

Hey, we found one point that we can agree on!

Medvedev is my favourite leader of Russia since... well, let's just say "since".
I think he is the only leader that during his whole period was working in positioning Russia as a diplomatic and agreeable country with only a subtle hint at fangs, should they become necessary. I hoped to see Medvedev for the second term, but Putin was hell-bent on coming back.

1. NATO vs Serbia
2. US vs Iraq
3. NATO vs Libya
4. US vs Vietnam
5. Allies vs Axis... how many more you need?

USA vs. Vietnam history is full of propaganda movies. In the real world it was a failure and humiliation for them... Despite the active use of weapons of mass destruction. Many people still suffering from its effects.

All the battles involving the US have plenty of Hollywood propaganda films based upon them. Remember, the Rambo series itself deals with propaganda from Afghanistan, Vietnam and Myanmar. Add to this other stupid propaganda films such as Rocky and those Chuck Norris movies.

I don't want war ,i wish was possible to live in a world with no war......the list is way longer starting from ancient time ,from the smallest war to the world war.......victors will always hide the truth!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3hlgy9eOuQ

Nice video. History of Europe, map changes for the recent 1000 years.

lol

Rocky?

what does it promote? :D

only patriotism I think, but that's not a bad thing

changes load slow, start late, not 100% accurate but cool :D

If you are that bad at memory, I'll have to remember you that before this scene:

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1488819/Rocky-IV.jpg

there was this scene as well:

http://www.daysarenumbers.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/drago_conference.jpg

And remember this? Another attempt to portray that the Russians are rude and uncivilized:

http://www.moviestillsdb.com/media/pictures/m/04/04e0eaa67b01fe950c1cc39e12d21254.jpg

Talking about movies :

http://movienews.ro/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/pressaurum04.jpg


... and propaganda

Oh yep, I lol'd from this movies... :D These guys really don't have a clue what would have done to the officers, who have demonstrated such behavior in the foreign country.

Really just take the gold, man that is some low down dirty sneak thievery.  How in the world is this not on the front page of every paper in the country?  This is baffling that this story didn't get the attention it deserves but at the same time it just seems to be more of the same type of things that goes on these day.

Even the Russians came to know about it only after the entire gold was moved to the US. Then how come the mainstream media could report it on time?

The operation is strikingly similar to that used to move the entire large gold reserve of Lybia out of the country.

http://cs619628.vk.me/v619628175/54f/MFWw_eS8sXw.jpg

"Bald, in glasses, sold his country"

I'm not saying report it "on time"  I'm saying report it in general if that is what you're asking me.  I've not heard anything about it until I read this post.  Also don't you find it odd that they would take the gold?

Not really. Not after US failed to return the gold to German and France (under various pretexts, and not even allowing Germans to inspect their gold reserve in its entirety). Not after all the Lybian gold just vanished into thin air after the NATO intervention.
US can always give an excuse that they were simply safeguarding it on the government's request (omitting any mention of the way said government came to power).

Very well put.  All those points are right on the money and I thank you for making them the they escaped me when I made my last reply in this thread.   ;)

@counter: You are welcome. There is also all the talk about gold on the disappeared Malaysian Air flight, and its path intersecting a US military base. But that is more in the rumour/conspiracy department.


Niothor, what movie is that? Looks pretty post-apocalyptic. And what does that neatly-landed Mi-24 do in the exact middle of a square. Too neat. :)