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Title: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: CryptoPanda on April 24, 2014, 09:14:40 AM
So if I have to sum it up looks like Ethereum, NXT and MaidSafe are the 3 (potentially) hot things one can invest in 2014 if he wants to be in the position that bitcoin early adopters were in 2009?


Your thoughts?


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: ShroomsKit_Disgrace on April 24, 2014, 09:35:40 AM
2 days ago I was going to take a small position on Maidsafe, suddenly, they screwed things up with the IPO trough MSC and I decided not to buy in. Nevertheless, the idea is really interesting, maybe I would give them a second chance.

NXT is really promising for me. I think in this forum there is a non reasonable hate towards NXT: If the price goes up, they blame the initial distribution, if the price goes down they say NXT is dead. This is totally stupid. The IMPORTANT point is the tons of developments the devs of NXT are carry on at the moment and you can check at their forum. In 3-4 months time and if the devs continue the good work, NXT could make a killing in cryptoworld.


Finally, I should read more about Ethereum to make a wise decision.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: crazy_rabbit on April 24, 2014, 10:35:42 AM
2 days ago I was going to take a small position on Maidsafe, suddenly, they screwed things up with the IPO trough MSC and I decided not to buy in. Nevertheless, the idea is really interesting, maybe I would give them a second chance.

NXT is really promising for me. I think in this forum there is a non reasonable hate towards NXT: If the price goes up, they blame the initial distribution, if the price goes down they say NXT is dead. This is totally stupid. The IMPORTANT point is the tons of developments the devs of NXT are carry on at the moment and you can check at their forum. In 3-4 months time and if the devs continue the good work, NXT could make a killing in cryptoworld.


Finally, I should read more about Ethereum to make a wise decision.

Maidsafe didn't really screw up. They had more interest then they expected and the found a fair way to compensate people for the irregularities. The "I bought MSC and now I'm screwed" crowd has a small case, but they shouldn't take it too badly. MSC is just getting started and they are better off getting in now then in a years time.

I hadn't been fond of NXT as I'm more of a Mastercoin guy, but I'm going to give it a look along with Ethereum.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: xeroc on April 24, 2014, 11:45:00 AM
You guys never heard of the BitShares ecosystem?

pre-alpha release of the website: http://bitshares.org


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: crimealone on April 24, 2014, 11:46:09 AM
2 days ago I was going to take a small position on Maidsafe, suddenly, they screwed things up with the IPO trough MSC and I decided not to buy in. Nevertheless, the idea is really interesting, maybe I would give them a second chance.

NXT is really promising for me. I think in this forum there is a non reasonable hate towards NXT: If the price goes up, they blame the initial distribution, if the price goes down they say NXT is dead. This is totally stupid. The IMPORTANT point is the tons of developments the devs of NXT are carry on at the moment and you can check at their forum. In 3-4 months time and if the devs continue the good work, NXT could make a killing in cryptoworld.


Finally, I should read more about Ethereum to make a wise decision.

Maidsafe didn't really screw up. They had more interest then they expected and the found a fair way to compensate people for the irregularities. The "I bought MSC and now I'm screwed" crowd has a small case, but they shouldn't take it too badly. MSC is just getting started and they are better off getting in now then in a years time.

I hadn't been fond of NXT as I'm more of a Mastercoin guy, but I'm going to give it a look along with Ethereum.

It's not just "I bought MSC and now I'm screwed". People who have invested in maidsafe are partial to maidsafe now. What dev have done is destroying the base of virtual community----trust. I really think the project is innovative. But if all of us just care about technique but not morality, this place gonna be full of scam.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: crimealone on April 24, 2014, 11:47:40 AM
You guys never heard of the BitShares ecosystem?

pre-alpha release of the website: http://bitshares.org

We of course know BTS. It‘s still in developing.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: dirvine on April 24, 2014, 11:54:39 AM
2 days ago I was going to take a small position on Maidsafe, suddenly, they screwed things up with the IPO trough MSC and I decided not to buy in. Nevertheless, the idea is really interesting, maybe I would give them a second chance.

NXT is really promising for me. I think in this forum there is a non reasonable hate towards NXT: If the price goes up, they blame the initial distribution, if the price goes down they say NXT is dead. This is totally stupid. The IMPORTANT point is the tons of developments the devs of NXT are carry on at the moment and you can check at their forum. In 3-4 months time and if the devs continue the good work, NXT could make a killing in cryptoworld.


Finally, I should read more about Ethereum to make a wise decision.

Maidsafe didn't really screw up. They had more interest then they expected and the found a fair way to compensate people for the irregularities. The "I bought MSC and now I'm screwed" crowd has a small case, but they shouldn't take it too badly. MSC is just getting started and they are better off getting in now then in a years time.

I hadn't been fond of NXT as I'm more of a Mastercoin guy, but I'm going to give it a look along with Ethereum.

Good point, I think many of these projects all get along at the team level. It seem to be supporters of some who argue and cast wild allegations against who they think are competitors. As a community I think we need to support everything and keep very vigilant for the vapourware or poor projects and scams that will inevitably come. Since we started (maidsafe) speaking to the press etc. for instance we got some strange mails that we mostly ignored.

I was a slashdotter for years and that community were very good at pulling things apart and getting to the bottom of most things. They relied on the RTFM mentality and really forced people to speak with some authority in many cases. The [citation required] etc. comments seemed to work well and people trolling or just being accusing were dealt with pretty well. I cannot say much now as I am not there as much, it was great for a while though.

In talking with MasterCoin guys, NXT and Ethereum we seem to be very friendly at the project level, I think each of us projects need to jump on that behaviour to. We tend to vote down people who go on reddit etc. and slag off bitcloud or ethereum saying (incorrectly) maidsafe are simply better. It's not even a comparison as some of these projects have different goals and motivations, i.e. ethereum and MaidSafe could be parts of an amazing system in harmony, but they will not depend on each other for sure. The world will decide who is best not us.  I think many of the projects perhaps do the same and try and calm down extreme comments or misguided behaviour, we should maybe do more.

Opinion is great though, but mis-information or trolling kills good community forums. I think your approach seems pretty balanced and not always positive to MaidSafe, which is fine, we kinda like that. Everyone needs their feet on the ground.

We have something slashdot never though and that's lots and lots of meetup opportunities, nothing like looking in somebody's eyes when they speak to you. So if anyone see's me about feel free to do just that.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: dirvine on April 24, 2014, 12:14:02 PM
2 days ago I was going to take a small position on Maidsafe, suddenly, they screwed things up with the IPO trough MSC and I decided not to buy in. Nevertheless, the idea is really interesting, maybe I would give them a second chance.

NXT is really promising for me. I think in this forum there is a non reasonable hate towards NXT: If the price goes up, they blame the initial distribution, if the price goes down they say NXT is dead. This is totally stupid. The IMPORTANT point is the tons of developments the devs of NXT are carry on at the moment and you can check at their forum. In 3-4 months time and if the devs continue the good work, NXT could make a killing in cryptoworld.


Finally, I should read more about Ethereum to make a wise decision.

Maidsafe didn't really screw up. They had more interest then they expected and the found a fair way to compensate people for the irregularities. The "I bought MSC and now I'm screwed" crowd has a small case, but they shouldn't take it too badly. MSC is just getting started and they are better off getting in now then in a years time.

I hadn't been fond of NXT as I'm more of a Mastercoin guy, but I'm going to give it a look along with Ethereum.

It's not just "I bought MSC and now I'm screwed". People who have invested in maidsafe are partial to maidsafe now. What dev have done is destroying the base of virtual community----trust. I really think the project is innovative. But if all of us just care about technique but not morality, this place gonna be full of scam.

We got caught on the hop, systems were still being developed and tested and we were to introduce things through the 30 days as it developed. It finished even before we could tell what was happening nearly. Amazing and great to see support, but the most frightening thing in my life so far (and I took to rough seas as a volunteer lifeboat helmsman to save people in danger, so this is no exaggeration on how scary this was).

What we did was allow BTC funders to participate, MSC was all purchased by us. BitAngels offered and paid out MSAFE to MSC holder who were aggrieved and could prove they had MSC. I think what was achieved was the fairest mechanism possible and we did the whole sale for 40% discount for everyone. I cannot see that as greed or erosion of trust. It was a difficult and fast decision which rightly alarmed everyone. We did do a release as soon as we could to explain it all, but no action would have meant all early BTC funders were locked out and that would have been the unfair part.

Looking back, yes I would have done it different, so would the Master Protocol guys. It was a tsunami we never seen (yes possibly we should have) coming and we had to action in the benefit of the masses and we did. There is a public meet tonight with many of the parties involved to do a 'warts and all' walk through to improve any upcoming crowd sales. This should help out anyone following us in the leading edge process we took part in. On that point we managed the situation by sticking together and focussing on the community first, then the projects last.

So yes mistakes happened and will be learned from, but lack of morality is not very fair for anyone involved as far as I could tell anyway.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: jabo38 on April 24, 2014, 01:05:28 PM
I have bought into Mastercoin (just a little), Maidsafe (some), and NXT (a lot).  If Ethereum comes out, when it comes out, if it comes out, I will compare it up to the networks already in place.  I was ready to go in (a lot) before but they keep on delaying.  That doesn't build confidence in me especially since NXT is live now, albeit in a non-idealized version.  Right now NXT is just okay, but later it might be glorious.

As for another product.  I love bitcoin and think it is still a worthy investment.  The thing is, bitcoin has problems.  The main problem being a mining problem.  The altcoin clones are pretty much cheap knock offs to me.  All of them, even Litecoin.  I don't even look at something that involved a copy and paste in its code. 

That being said, if if if a new coin came along built with new code that was mineable by PCs on the CPU and only the CPU and would be guaranteed to stay that way, I would go in heavy on that.  IPO's like NXT are building very interesting platforms.  NEM too I think will be great, they will implement POI.  That will be like rewarding miners for actually maintaining the network, not doing useless math problems.  The beauty of a CPU coin that could be built on a platform like NEM or NXT would mean that small time people like me, you, and the guy down the street could mine their own cash on their own computer and spend it.  That would be really cool!  The problem is all altcoins are just clones of Bitcoin.  They all are copy and pasted with the same base in the same way so that they aren't reliable for home CPU mining.  They often try and get owned by GPUs or ASICs.  I have seen coins (looking at you bitshares) that were like "this will be only CPU and CPU forever and we will offer a bounty to anybody that proves us wrong" and boom days later the bounty has to be paid.  A CPU only coin would get back to the spirit of what bitcoin was meant to have been in the first place.  I would love to see that vision realized.  Maidsafe has a decent platform.  Rewarding nodes for doing real work that actually maintains the network.  We need that for a new coin.  If it doesn't happen, I am looking towards NXT, and if not NXT, then NEM which is already addressing the major flaws that NXT started off with. 


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: jabo38 on April 24, 2014, 01:15:55 PM

We got caught on the hop, systems were still being developed and tested and we were to introduce things through the 30 days as it developed. It finished even before we could tell what was happening nearly. Amazing and great to see support, but the most frightening thing in my life so far (and I took to rough seas as a volunteer lifeboat helmsman to save people in danger, so this is no exaggeration on how scary this was).

What we did was allow BTC funders to participate, MSC was all purchased by us. BitAngels offered and paid out MSAFE to MSC holder who were aggrieved and could prove they had MSC. I think what was achieved was the fairest mechanism possible and we did the whole sale for 40% discount for everyone. I cannot see that as greed or erosion of trust. It was a difficult and fast decision which rightly alarmed everyone. We did do a release as soon as we could to explain it all, but no action would have meant all early BTC funders were locked out and that would have been the unfair part.

Looking back, yes I would have done it different, so would the Master Protocol guys. It was a tsunami we never seen (yes possibly we should have) coming and we had to action in the benefit of the masses and we did. There is a public meet tonight with many of the parties involved to do a 'warts and all' walk through to improve any upcoming crowd sales. This should help out anyone following us in the leading edge process we took part in. On that point we managed the situation by sticking together and focussing on the community first, then the projects last.

So yes mistakes happened and will be learned from, but lack of morality is not very fair for anyone involved as far as I could tell anyway.


I know there is a lot of criticism going on about the sell, but you weren't the only one caught by surprised.  I bought mastercoin to buy safecoin, came home 3 hours after the sell started only to find out I couldn't even use my mastercoins. hahahaha.  Your explanations have been good enough for me. All things considered, I think you did a good job and look forward to see what will come of this in the future.  I have been following this launch and think that all things being considered, you have been trying hard to be transparent and fair.   

That being said, if mastercoin ever tries to be sold at a price different than their market price ever again, I will dump and trash talk it again and again.  We all learnt once, no need to repeat this mistake going forward.  And on Maidsafe's part, it would be cool if Maidsafe made some back up plans for things going forward too.  Like say for instance, "We think that this is going to happen, but just in case _______ happens, what are we going to do?"  I think that is a pretty reasonable request and one that the community would be happy if Maidsafe went through with.  Maidsafe doesn't have to be perfect and can't catch everything making a whole new platform from the ground up and going live in a way nobody has before, so some glitches are expected, but hopefully with some back up plans things can be monitored and acted upon when they come up in a way that inspires confidence.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: mercSuey on April 24, 2014, 01:50:25 PM
You guys never heard of the BitShares ecosystem?

pre-alpha release of the website: http://bitshares.org


Yep, Invictus and Maidsafe have a lot of similar initiatives.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: templar77 on April 24, 2014, 02:23:51 PM
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/breaking-mt-gox-maidsafe-gox-coins-flowing-maidsafe-ipo/2014/04/24

https://i.imgur.com/GdgEydK.png


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Starving_Marvin on April 24, 2014, 02:31:16 PM
eMunie of course


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: TrailingComet on April 24, 2014, 03:41:21 PM
On a tangential note, is Dogecoin done?


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: skylys on April 24, 2014, 04:19:26 PM
 NXT of course:D


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: upekha on April 24, 2014, 04:35:08 PM
NEM, my dear.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: CryptoPanda on April 24, 2014, 05:16:53 PM
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/breaking-mt-gox-maidsafe-gox-coins-flowing-maidsafe-ipo/2014/04/24

https://i.imgur.com/GdgEydK.png

come on??


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: jabo38 on April 25, 2014, 04:07:08 AM
On a tangential note, is Dogecoin done?

Doge is an interesting experiment in progress.  It was printing a ton of Doge, now just a lot.  It should have not ever been worth anything, but people liked it.  It will print less and less in the coming months and by the end of the year just a little bit.  If it holds till the end of the year, it will be good.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: CryptoPanda on April 25, 2014, 06:22:19 AM
27% of the people  the poll say something else is the host investment for 2014, well what is it?


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: toknormal on April 25, 2014, 06:46:29 AM
I think that even if NXT, Etherium, NEM and Maidsafe ALL do exactly what they say, those networks alone won't remotely be able to satisfy the demand for this type of technology when it gets going.

Here's a small example just using NXT from my own industry (software development). I am an independent software developer and I plan to use the NXT asset exchange (currently in development) to issue software licenses as follows:

[1] - a licensing component in the software makes a call to the NXT network and creates an account (instantaneous)

[2] - it writes the private key to disk and informs the user of the account number

[3] - the user purchases one license unit from the NXT asset exchange

[4] - on a subsequent launch (or periodically) the software detects the presence of the appropriate asset in the account it created for itself and considers the installation licensed

So NXT doesn't have to become the new bitcoin to become hugely valuable. It just has to capture a tiny part of some relatively tiny world markets for all sorts of applications to be massively in demand.

NXT will be needed to:

A. Issue the assets (Currently costs 1000 NXT per asset, but I don't know if there's a limit on the quantity you can issue)
B. Pay for the assets

The thing about 2nd gen alts is there's a diversity of applications. They can all be successful and not even tap 1% of the potential market. 1st generation alts are currency and that's it so there can only really be 1 or 2 winners.



Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: neuroMode on April 25, 2014, 06:54:29 AM
Myriadcoin.

Not a "Bitcoin 2.0" coin, more like a more decentralized blockchain for PoW (a miner's paradise).

5 algorithms can mine. Each algorithm gets 1/5 of the "pie" (total coins over time).
SHA256 (ASICs), Scrypt (GPUs/ASICs), Skein(GPUs), Groestl(GPUs), OR Qubit(CPU/GPUs).

If more ASICs hop on SHA256, they only compete with SHA256 miners for their 1/5 of the pie. This way, for example, Groestl or Skein miners can mine and compete with mostly other GPU miners (and some GPU farms) for their 1/5 of the pie.

It solves the centralization of ASICs and the fragmentation of mining in cryptocurrency land. It also enables much much more.

Merged mining is being enabled with Myriadcoin. Colored coins are being used by Blocktech to bring "Liberdade" branded Myriadcoins to Brazil (and teaching them to mine, it's not an airdrop.)



Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: ShroomsKit_Disgrace on April 25, 2014, 06:56:55 AM
Good point @toknormal !

Do you know that NXT asset exchange is ready to be launched? In 16days, it will come to main-net according to countdown.

I am really excited about people like you, who will use NXT environment for his own business. Cheers!!  :)


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: toknormal on April 25, 2014, 07:34:58 AM
Myriadcoin.

Agreed. Myriad is great as well (for a 1st gen alt).

Have got some. Undervalued.



Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: phelix on April 25, 2014, 10:23:31 AM
27% of the people  the poll say something else is the host investment for 2014, well what is it?
Bitcoin  ;D


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Bitventurer on April 25, 2014, 10:56:44 AM
NXT and stay tuned for the first IPO on top of nxt decentralized asset exchange: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9JAK4TAUvE


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: nextgencoin on April 25, 2014, 11:03:00 AM
Qora and EXO coins are both new codes that have finished IPO's but will likely rocket in the first weeks and months of trading.

Clones of NXT principally NEM and NXTL will do well, NEM could be massive!

Anonymity is the buzzword of this year, Zerocoin and Darkcoin will lead the pack in this area I believe.  


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: EvilDave on April 25, 2014, 11:06:24 AM
27% of the people  the poll say something else is the host investment for 2014, well what is it?
Bitcoin  ;D

+ 1 to phelix, Bitcoin isn't going away any time soon, and now is a good moment to buy more in....

The same goes for NXT, which is (almost certainly) going to blow up like crazy once the Asset Exchange comes online in 2 weeks, and people realise what a complete game-changer AE is.

And I have a feeling that BitShares are also going to be worth holding on to.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Gentso1 on April 25, 2014, 11:40:58 AM
27% of the people  the poll say something else is the host investment for 2014, well what is it?
Bitcoin  ;D

+ 1 to phelix, Bitcoin isn't going away any time soon, and now is a good moment to buy more in....

The same goes for NXT, which is (almost certainly) going to blow up like crazy once the Asset Exchange comes online in 2 weeks, and people realise what a complete game-changer AE is.

And I have a feeling that BitShares are also going to be worth holding on to.


I am on board with bitshares.

NXT also seems like it is going to be huge. I would say bitshares and NXT have a ton in common but NXT does have a nice head start.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: toknormal on April 25, 2014, 12:33:31 PM
That dotsforbits thing looks interesting.

Are projects already underway to run on top of the asset exchange then ? Where kin we find out more about this ?


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: CryptoPanda on April 25, 2014, 01:19:26 PM
After this thread I'm more convinced about the future of NXT
gotta buy some more I guess :)

we live in beautiful times gentlemen, beautiful.
Really feeling good to be alive in this century :)


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: FrictionlessCoin on April 25, 2014, 03:30:44 PM
2 days ago I was going to take a small position on Maidsafe, suddenly, they screwed things up with the IPO trough MSC and I decided not to buy in. Nevertheless, the idea is really interesting, maybe I would give them a second chance.

NXT is really promising for me. I think in this forum there is a non reasonable hate towards NXT: If the price goes up, they blame the initial distribution, if the price goes down they say NXT is dead. This is totally stupid. The IMPORTANT point is the tons of developments the devs of NXT are carry on at the moment and you can check at their forum. In 3-4 months time and if the devs continue the good work, NXT could make a killing in cryptoworld.


Finally, I should read more about Ethereum to make a wise decision.

Maidsafe didn't really screw up. They had more interest then they expected and the found a fair way to compensate people for the irregularities. The "I bought MSC and now I'm screwed" crowd has a small case, but they shouldn't take it too badly. MSC is just getting started and they are better off getting in now then in a years time.

I hadn't been fond of NXT as I'm more of a Mastercoin guy, but I'm going to give it a look along with Ethereum.

Ethereum will be interesting because it has a lot of backers.  However, Safecoin was the better investment since it was priced much cheaper than what Ethereum (they wanted to raise 35m for 10% .... correct me if I'm wrong here)... further,  there is a lot more technology behind safecoin that was built over 8 years.

Conceptually, Safecoin is also much better than Ethereum.   The Turing complete language in Ethereum really doesn't buy much if you really think about it.   Any coin can upgrade its features by adding new code.

There are two other coins that are in development that are not in this list.  One I am actively involved in and another that looks extremely promising. 

Best of luck investing in IPOs... very promising.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Lauda on April 25, 2014, 04:44:18 PM
MaidSafe is a no no now, NXT as well. We will see how it goes with Ethereum.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Momimaus on April 25, 2014, 09:44:28 PM
2 days ago I was going to take a small position on Maidsafe, suddenly, they screwed things up with the IPO trough MSC and I decided not to buy in. Nevertheless, the idea is really interesting, maybe I would give them a second chance.

NXT is really promising for me. I think in this forum there is a non reasonable hate towards NXT: If the price goes up, they blame the initial distribution, if the price goes down they say NXT is dead. This is totally stupid. The IMPORTANT point is the tons of developments the devs of NXT are carry on at the moment and you can check at their forum. In 3-4 months time and if the devs continue the good work, NXT could make a killing in cryptoworld.


Finally, I should read more about Ethereum to make a wise decision.

Maidsafe didn't really screw up. They had more interest then they expected and the found a fair way to compensate people for the irregularities. The "I bought MSC and now I'm screwed" crowd has a small case, but they shouldn't take it too badly. MSC is just getting started and they are better off getting in now then in a years time.

I hadn't been fond of NXT as I'm more of a Mastercoin guy, but I'm going to give it a look along with Ethereum.

Ethereum will be interesting because it has a lot of backers.  However, Safecoin was the better investment since it was priced much cheaper than what Ethereum (they wanted to raise 35m for 10% .... correct me if I'm wrong here)... further,  there is a lot more technology behind safecoin that was built over 8 years.

Conceptually, Safecoin is also much better than Ethereum.   The Turing complete language in Ethereum really doesn't buy much if you really think about it.   Any coin can upgrade its features by adding new code.

There are two other coins that are in development that are not in this list.  One I am actively involved in and another that looks extremely promising. 

Best of luck investing in IPOs... very promising.

You donīt want to tell us the names?


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: CryptoPanda on April 26, 2014, 07:51:45 AM
MaidSafe is a no no now, NXT as well. We will see how it goes with Ethereum.

why?


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Lauda on April 26, 2014, 08:08:28 AM
MaidSafe is a no no now, NXT as well. We will see how it goes with Ethereum.

why?
MaidSafe messed up with their IPO, didn't they?


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Jungian on April 26, 2014, 08:18:36 AM
I think Darkcoin might be a good investment this year.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Lauda on April 26, 2014, 08:22:32 AM
I think Darkcoin might be a good investment this year.
It certainly is. There needs to be a lot more work done on it though. It is undervalued right now.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Djinou94 on April 26, 2014, 10:14:52 AM
Maidsafe is not a scam?


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: dadon on April 26, 2014, 11:08:24 AM
darkcoin for obvious reasons and noirshares for these reasons:

About NoirShares


NoirShares is a new venture in cryptocurrency, Decentralized Autonomous Corporations (DACs), and Decentralized Autonomous Software (DAS). NRS is more than just a cryptocoin, it is the technology that provides the foundation for corporate activities such as voting, funding, trading, communication, contracts, value transfer, and more.

There are many ways to benefit from your participation in NRS. Holding NRS gives you ownership rights in future DAC/DAS and other ventures developed by Noir Group. We are currently working on and voting for the next ventures such as the NoirEx(change) and NoirSpace network (Bank, Gaming, Content, News, Chat/Talk, Shop, Advertising, and more), with many more DAC ventures to come. It is up to you to decide which ventures and opportunities are worth your participation. Since holding NRS also makes you an owner in the corporation, you are also able to suggest new venture ideas and even develop them.

Visit http://www.noirtalk.com/ to stay up to date on future projects.

NoirShares is your ticket to future Noir Group projects. Your shares are your votes and your value. This is your chance to participate in the future of the technology of business.


Decentralized Autonomous Corporations / Software (DAC/DAS)

NoirShares (NRS) is an equity-linked coin that gives you ownership rights in future DACs and DAS developed by Noir Group.  Noir Group is truly a venture-based corporation and provides the foundation for business of endless reach. From software to mining, from entertainment to r/e-tail, Noir Group is simply our versatile corporate vessel for business, and NoirShares are your proof of ownership.

Decentralized Autonomous Corporations (DACs) and Decentralized Autonomous Software (DAS) are ventures that seek to build shareholder wealth through income generation and price appreciation by delivering valuable services to customers.  Once the ventures are fully operational they no longer need the supervision of their developers.

NRS is not limited to the DAC platform started by Dan Larimer of ProtoShares (PTS). We have already begun investigating Counterparty (XCP) and Ethereum (ETH) for possible application in NDS ventures, as well as progress in developing a fiat exchange/trading platform. As a decentralized corporation we want to make sure to get a piece of every cake.


Current Ventures in Development

NoirSpace- NoirSpace is a launch pad designed for all media and altcoin related DAS/DAC ideas. rather than the altcoin/bitshares approach of multiple pieces of software running at the same time, we believe in one good all-purpose hub. NoirSpace is pioneering altcoin multi-tasking. First up, a QT-based multi-wallet. Future DAS updates to include Chat, Shop, Gaming, CDN and News, Ads, and more! Welcome to your new home!
MinterBot - DAS that stakes for you, taking the head(ache) out of (stake)! Deposit to the minterbot and watch your balance grow!
NoirEx(change) – QT-based exchange for NoirShares, NoirBits, cryptocurrencies, fiat, and re-branded sub coins built on the NRS/NBT platform.
Noir Mining- Terahashes of dragon mining power at your command. (Active, Membership closed!)
Noir Multi-Pool- Multi-Pool Mining with the Noir Group!

Project names are not final and reference internal development projects. Public release and frontend integrations may or may not utilize the Noir name. Many Noir projects are backend plugins and systems intended for re-branded frontend utilizations.

Register on http://www.noirtalk.com/ for more information about NoirShares, Noir Group, and how to participate.


The Technology

NRS itself is built as a hybrid momentum Proof of Stake/Proof of Work - NoirShares is one of the first hybrid Momentum PoS/PoW cryptos. The momentum algorithm has memory hard qualities which reduce GPU mining advantages, changing difficulty almost instantly as hashrate changes, thereby accurately reflecting miner demand.  NoirShares also runs a self-maintaining blockchain that does not need many hard forks to keep it going. What all this basically means is that NoirShares is running the latest in coin hashing tech with the most efficiency and stability, laying the foundation for a truly effective DAC.

The Specifications

Doubles as both currency and equity for Noir Group.
80 shares per block initially
5 minute block time
Per block difficulty adjustment
5 million coins will be produced via PoW
5% block reward reduction every 3000 blocks
3% stake, minimum stake age is 7 days, full age 14 days
Transaction fees at 0.01 NRS are destroyed in an attempt at aggressively countering inflation due to mining and stake
As the chain progresses and transitions to relying more on PoS blocks, it becomes highly energy efficient in comparison to pure PoW coins.
This weaning of reliance on high powered machines encourages the average user to be able to have a functioning node that if used properly can be profitable.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: nandk70 on April 26, 2014, 11:12:41 AM
exocoin, qora, emunie ethereum


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: rohan1 on April 26, 2014, 12:56:00 PM
I like NXT, Maidsafe ,and NEM. All of them are worth investing.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: FrictionlessCoin on April 26, 2014, 01:46:11 PM
MaidSafe is a no no now, NXT as well. We will see how it goes with Ethereum.

why?
MaidSafe messed up with their IPO, didn't they?

Well, a little bit of a mess.  A mess similar in scale as the FaceBook IPO mess.  But nothing that is permanent.   


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: CryptoPanda on April 26, 2014, 06:44:59 PM
MaidSafe is a no no now, NXT as well. We will see how it goes with Ethereum.

why?
MaidSafe messed up with their IPO, didn't they?


true but so what? That's nothing for the big picture.
They got their millions, they have the technology, so it's all good for them.
5 years from now people will look at the IPO issue as a minor hiccup.



Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Mautje on April 26, 2014, 08:05:37 PM
Can someone post a link to an article or story about what exactly happened with the Maidsafe IPO? I read they got their money in 5 hrs in stead of 1 month and so it was overwhelming and it didn't give the chance to people to participate.. but so what?

Can someone explain why this is so negative or is there something else going on? Did 1 party buy almost all the coins, that wouldn't be good..


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: chanc3r on April 26, 2014, 10:10:42 PM
Can someone post a link to an article or story about what exactly happened with the Maidsafe IPO? I read they got their money in 5 hrs in stead of 1 month and so it was overwhelming and it didn't give the chance to people to participate.. but so what?

Can someone explain why this is so negative or is there something else going on? Did 1 party buy almost all the coins, that wouldn't be good..

This is the link from the safe coin site which shows the investor list, they have over 1800 investors, i counted between 10-20 large to insane (100BTC+) investors in there, so the overwhelming majority seem to be in the 0-10BTC range.

https://docs.google.com/a/maidsafe.net/spreadsheets/d/1r4fv57JDNkW55P5dnwPmHF3rOhdt1Jn5I2DZFuZfmfU/edit

Why 24/48hrs- i have no idea though..


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: EvilDave on April 26, 2014, 11:14:10 PM
Insane probably being the most appropriate word used in connection with that IPO.

reposted from:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579424.msg6406384#msg6406384


Going back to the legal aspects: i wouldn't worry about the NSA too much. If they want access, they'll get it. Probably already have, given the age of the project.
And providing that you aren't tagged as a "terrorist" by the US gov, it shouldn't be a problem for the average user or Maidsafe itself

I'd be more worried about Sony, tbh. Every dropbox system ever created has been used by the warez scene (remember the Yahoo Briefcase, godabuzz fans?) and an encrypted, decentralised, anonymous storage system certainly offers possiblities for the illegal sharing of copyright content.
If Sony (or any other big music/software/movie company) felt that MS was stepping on their toes in any way, the central core of the MS project will be an easy legal target, and Sony has resources that make the $12 million (?) from the IPO look like coffee money.
.
The same problem also arises with law enforcement /police agencies: individual users may well be able to remain relatively anonymous, but the public head of the MS project is always going to be an easy target.

Any MS guys with ideas about this ?
I am currently seen as the public head (not for long if I succeed). We have just spread this across the planet. It is all open, all owned by everyone and will be very difficult to stop. So now there is no public head, no company at the centre, this is decentralisation of the whole system. In terms of being infiltrated etc. if you knew anything at all about me (I am not being cheeky here) then you would know this was impossible for me to allow. If I quit all of a sudden then worry, I never and the code is our there. Many eyes are being trained on this now, many devs are to receive training from us and others to develop the core.

I am not money driven, so a hard target, no amount of cash could buy me off when I can see the face of some child who would be disadvantaged by not doing this. We are single entities us humans and part of a species. It is our individual duty to protect and further the species. If you can remove greed from your person you are already protected beyond belief. If the target becomes more than money, then that's the risk we take. I choose to accept that risk gladly.

My well being is irrelevant to the world when all is taken into account. The opportunity for a free privacy enhancing and secure mechanism of information transfer and protection is way more important than any single person or team. Knowing this, absolutely and with 100% conviction makes you a very difficult adversary for those who would choose to stop freedom. I believe this stance is an easy one for people to follow and adopt, the greed stance is so last century, more of us can count now, more of us are educated and more of us are building project SAFE each day.

I doubt there will be any backdoors, there may be attacks, we seen all the mt gox lies and deceit already spewed about , that only works with weak minds, I do not believe society is made up of weak minds. We can see now our eyes are opening and the path ahead should be clear. Lets take our Internet back for a start, a very small start, but a start never the less. We are taking these steps now, everyone is welcome to join, we can be legions for change and we all know this is an inevitability, no need to wonder. We will take back our freedom and dignity.

Backdoor that :-)



Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: surfer43 on April 27, 2014, 01:39:26 AM
Zerocash (anonymous) and Monero / Bytecoin (true and automatic privacy).

NXT and MaidSafe are not worth investing in. Ethereum is promising.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: TaunSew on April 27, 2014, 05:52:57 AM
Even if Maidsafe had a perfect IPO then what?  

Here are the issues

- Open Source (in before the clones)
- Nothing proprietary (ignoring the above, the concept isn't proprietary and others are working on doing the samething)
- Niche target demographic (Pedophiles and Tin Foil types who want anonymous internet.  Good luck convincing ordinary people to use this platform).
- Been in development for 8+ years.

Really the IPO was this:  a small very small company which was making almost no profit (probably had liabilities up to the sky) jumped on the digital currency phase and just walked away with $8+ million (some of it embezzled from MtGox).  I'ld say their IPO was a tremendous success if their true intention was to make quick bucks off dumb capital.

  


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Mautje on April 27, 2014, 07:18:29 AM
I must say I have been impressed with the talk I heard on http://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/ltb-e103-seek-and-find?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=mshare&utm_medium=email&utm_content=http://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/ltb-e103-seek-and-find (http://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/ltb-e103-seek-and-find?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=mshare&utm_medium=email&utm_content=http://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/ltb-e103-seek-and-find)
about Maidsafe. He had me convinced of the project until he started talking at around 19:20  about how hungry children could be saved, at which point I thought "Really? why bring that up.. " a bit suspicious.

I was ready to buy some Maidsafecoin trough Mastercoin, but I'm trying to read up on this IPO.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: CryptoPanda on April 27, 2014, 07:20:21 AM

- Niche target demographic (Pedophiles and Tin Foil types who want anonymous internet.  Good luck convincing ordinary people to use this platform).

  

So, everyone that appreciates his privacy is pedophile or tin foil type according to your logic?
I believe you just crossed off  the whole forum as pedophiles. Well played :)


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Shivalein on April 27, 2014, 11:31:27 AM
exocoin, qora, emunie ethereum

I am not convinced of emunie anymore. I think this thing will be a flop, if they ever get it out. But I am still watching.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: lovely89 on April 27, 2014, 01:38:22 PM
So if I have to sum it up looks like Ethereum, NXT and MaidSafe are the 3 (potentially) hot things one can invest in 2014 if he wants to be in the position that bitcoin early adopters were in 2009?


Your thoughts?


Nxt is a big one.
Ethereum  is looking to revolutionize decentralised platforms.
eMunie has so very much potential and is doing something very unique and is progressing very fast.
Skycoin definitely the underrated project of the year. Includes a darknet, meshnet and obelisk blockchain. More secure than bitcoin and much much faster.
I also think there will be a wealth transfer from litecoin to peercoin over the next 8 months
Not sure why maidsafe is getting so much attention...


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Mautje on April 27, 2014, 02:38:02 PM
So if I have to sum it up looks like Ethereum, NXT and MaidSafe are the 3 (potentially) hot things one can invest in 2014 if he wants to be in the position that bitcoin early adopters were in 2009?


Your thoughts?


Nxt is a big one.
Ethereum  is looking to revolutionize decentralised platforms.
eMunie has so very much potential and is doing something very unique and is progressing very fast.
Skycoin definitely the underrated project of the year. Includes a darknet, meshnet and obelisk blockchain. More secure than bitcoin and much much faster.
I also think there will be a wealth transfer from litecoin to peercoin over the next 8 months
Not sure why maidsafe is getting so much attention...


Thanks for pointing me to Skycoin, reading up on it and it looks very promising.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Vladimircook on April 27, 2014, 03:15:47 PM
NEM
EXO
NXTL


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: CryptoPanda on April 27, 2014, 06:17:32 PM
So if I have to sum it up looks like Ethereum, NXT and MaidSafe are the 3 (potentially) hot things one can invest in 2014 if he wants to be in the position that bitcoin early adopters were in 2009?


Your thoughts?



I also think there will be a wealth transfer from litecoin to peercoin over the next 8 months




why?


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Momimaus on April 27, 2014, 08:33:46 PM
So if I have to sum it up looks like Ethereum, NXT and MaidSafe are the 3 (potentially) hot things one can invest in 2014 if he wants to be in the position that bitcoin early adopters were in 2009?


Your thoughts?


Nxt is a big one.
Ethereum  is looking to revolutionize decentralised platforms.
eMunie has so very much potential and is doing something very unique and is progressing very fast.
Skycoin definitely the underrated project of the year. Includes a darknet, meshnet and obelisk blockchain. More secure than bitcoin and much much faster.
I also think there will be a wealth transfer from litecoin to peercoin over the next 8 months
Not sure why maidsafe is getting so much attention...


Thanks for pointing me to Skycoin, reading up on it and it looks very promising.

skycoin? really? Buying in a 1% IPO, and devs keep 99%?
Donīt look promising to me.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: ghur on April 27, 2014, 09:08:36 PM
On a tangential note, is Dogecoin done?

Too early to tell.

Dogecoin is one of the biggest thing that has happened this year to bring new people into cryptocurrency.
That momentum can still carry them further as their community remains huge.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Djinou94 on April 27, 2014, 09:51:30 PM
Numus  ::)


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: MyPotPlantDied on April 27, 2014, 10:24:54 PM
can someone recommend an ipo that is still ongoing so we can still buy in now?


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: super3 on April 27, 2014, 11:50:13 PM
I'm biased but Storj (http://storj.io) is going to be opening up a crowdsale soon. You can read up on the general platform here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555159.0). We are also collaborating with MaidSafe, but we are also build cool front end systems.

Best of all no vaporwear! Here is a screenshot of web node that we plan on releasing soon:
https://i.imgur.com/XveZ6m5.png

We found out some really cool things to do with the blockchain other than currency. I suggest you take a look at our whitepaper but we will be releasing more detailed information soon.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: lovely89 on April 28, 2014, 02:32:03 AM
So if I have to sum it up looks like Ethereum, NXT and MaidSafe are the 3 (potentially) hot things one can invest in 2014 if he wants to be in the position that bitcoin early adopters were in 2009?


Your thoughts?


Nxt is a big one.
Ethereum  is looking to revolutionize decentralised platforms.
eMunie has so very much potential and is doing something very unique and is progressing very fast.
Skycoin definitely the underrated project of the year. Includes a darknet, meshnet and obelisk blockchain. More secure than bitcoin and much much faster.
I also think there will be a wealth transfer from litecoin to peercoin over the next 8 months
Not sure why maidsafe is getting so much attention...


Thanks for pointing me to Skycoin, reading up on it and it looks very promising.

skycoin? really? Buying in a 1% IPO, and devs keep 99%?
Donīt look promising to me.

To me profit != promising.
Innovation and demand = promising.
Devs are keeping 99% to continue to distribute over the years. I'm not entirely happy with this but they said they might have 3 IPOs  but also bounties for implementing the meshnet for incentive and get away from pump and dump history of coins.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Mautje on April 28, 2014, 04:25:14 AM
So if I have to sum it up looks like Ethereum, NXT and MaidSafe are the 3 (potentially) hot things one can invest in 2014 if he wants to be in the position that bitcoin early adopters were in 2009?


Your thoughts?


Nxt is a big one.
Ethereum  is looking to revolutionize decentralised platforms.
eMunie has so very much potential and is doing something very unique and is progressing very fast.
Skycoin definitely the underrated project of the year. Includes a darknet, meshnet and obelisk blockchain. More secure than bitcoin and much much faster.
I also think there will be a wealth transfer from litecoin to peercoin over the next 8 months
Not sure why maidsafe is getting so much attention...


Thanks for pointing me to Skycoin, reading up on it and it looks very promising.

skycoin? really? Buying in a 1% IPO, and devs keep 99%?
Donīt look promising to me.

I just started reading up on it; initial posts I saw said nothing about an IPO.. perhaps they added that later >:[ which makes it a lot less attractive


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: lumierre on April 28, 2014, 05:06:53 AM
Seems like eMunie isn't getting more attention than it should but that's reasonable for now since the source code isn't out yet.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: lovely89 on April 28, 2014, 06:26:23 AM
So if I have to sum it up looks like Ethereum, NXT and MaidSafe are the 3 (potentially) hot things one can invest in 2014 if he wants to be in the position that bitcoin early adopters were in 2009?


Your thoughts?



I also think there will be a wealth transfer from litecoin to peercoin over the next 8 months




why?

This is just my opinion and I'm sure many will have their own.

I think litecoins high standing importance in the cryptoworld is coming to an end. The only benefit is currently ASIC resistant mining and 2.5 minute block times. I can't see that as being enough to stay ahead of Bitcoin 2.0 coins or the more immediate threat,  peercoin. I think POS is the consensus of the future and POW is only great for distribution.

Peercoin has the community and attributes to replace litecoin as number 2 marketcap. With peershares coming along and a larger peerunity, it's only a matter of time.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: lovely89 on April 28, 2014, 06:33:18 AM
can someone recommend an ipo that is still ongoing so we can still buy in now?

If you're just looking for profit, I think eMunie will produce a decent ROI. Very little interest considering what it offers but also due to people losing interest because of so many delays.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: dzimbeck on April 28, 2014, 08:11:43 AM
This is too weird. I got excited when I saw it debut but I think it was a mistake. Who the hell has 99% of the coins??? Why would the devs make a meshnet and then keep is value from the world?? Its worse than ripple. The way to do it, it to give 100% of the coins to the people. Otherwise this is just like tor but with distibuted hosting. Its a great idea but I think the devs are motivated by greed. No wonder to volume is so low.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 28, 2014, 08:18:01 AM
The "hot new thing" tends to fade.
In six to eight months the list will have 3,4, or 5 other names.
2009 is over and it cannot be recreated, sorry.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: ShroomsKit_Disgrace on April 28, 2014, 08:27:39 AM
The "hot new thing" tends to fade.
In six to eight months the list will have 3,4, or 5 other names.
2009 is over and it cannot be recreated, sorry.

That is the question discussed here. To give your 3, 4 or 5 names that will last in 1year time and the reasons.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: lovely89 on April 28, 2014, 08:57:47 AM
This is too weird. I got excited when I saw it debut but I think it was a mistake. Who the hell has 99% of the coins??? Why would the devs make a meshnet and then keep is value from the world?? Its worse than ripple. The way to do it, it to give 100% of the coins to the people. Otherwise this is just like tor but with distibuted hosting. Its a great idea but I think the devs are motivated by greed. No wonder to volume is so low.

The IPO plan is just a plan for now. They have nothing set in stone and have even said they may change it if they think it is for the better. If you really don't like it, go suggest a better idea and say why. The developer(s) are really great when it comes to responding to questions and enquiries on the Skycoin thread. Also, it isn't released yet so there is no volume. You may be looking at the old 'Skycoin' that was released over a year ago.

I personally think that they should be releasing around 50% over multiple IPO's over a year then use the rest for bounties. This wouldn't be a get rich quick scheme that everyone seems to be looking for but encourages people to get involved and contribute to the coin and meshnet rather than hoarding for the sake of profit.

Also, please don't say they will have 99% of the coins. They have said repeatedly that the coins will be distributed (not 100% but most) the coins over a number of years instead of 1 quick IPO that creates an unfair advantage to early adopters and causes later adopters to lose interest, much like Mastercoin and to some degree, NXT.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Shivalein on April 28, 2014, 03:30:07 PM
This is too weird. I got excited when I saw it debut but I think it was a mistake. Who the hell has 99% of the coins??? Why would the devs make a meshnet and then keep is value from the world?? Its worse than ripple. The way to do it, it to give 100% of the coins to the people. Otherwise this is just like tor but with distibuted hosting. Its a great idea but I think the devs are motivated by greed. No wonder to volume is so low.

The IPO plan is just a plan for now. They have nothing set in stone and have even said they may change it if they think it is for the better. If you really don't like it, go suggest a better idea and say why. The developer(s) are really great when it comes to responding to questions and enquiries on the Skycoin thread. Also, it isn't released yet so there is no volume. You may be looking at the old 'Skycoin' that was released over a year ago.

I personally think that they should be releasing around 50% over multiple IPO's over a year then use the rest for bounties. This wouldn't be a get rich quick scheme that everyone seems to be looking for but encourages people to get involved and contribute to the coin and meshnet rather than hoarding for the sake of profit.

Also, please don't say they will have 99% of the coins. They have said repeatedly that the coins will be distributed (not 100% but most) the coins over a number of years instead of 1 quick IPO that creates an unfair advantage to early adopters and causes later adopters to lose interest, much like Mastercoin and to some degree, NXT.

even 50% would be a total joke. If they keep 3-5% everything is alright.
Nobody knows if they will every give more coins to us. And a first IPO worth selling 1% for 50k$ is just pure greed.
Thatīs the worst IPO Plan in history.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: lovely89 on April 29, 2014, 06:08:50 AM
This is too weird. I got excited when I saw it debut but I think it was a mistake. Who the hell has 99% of the coins??? Why would the devs make a meshnet and then keep is value from the world?? Its worse than ripple. The way to do it, it to give 100% of the coins to the people. Otherwise this is just like tor but with distibuted hosting. Its a great idea but I think the devs are motivated by greed. No wonder to volume is so low.

The IPO plan is just a plan for now. They have nothing set in stone and have even said they may change it if they think it is for the better. If you really don't like it, go suggest a better idea and say why. The developer(s) are really great when it comes to responding to questions and enquiries on the Skycoin thread. Also, it isn't released yet so there is no volume. You may be looking at the old 'Skycoin' that was released over a year ago.

I personally think that they should be releasing around 50% over multiple IPO's over a year then use the rest for bounties. This wouldn't be a get rich quick scheme that everyone seems to be looking for but encourages people to get involved and contribute to the coin and meshnet rather than hoarding for the sake of profit.

Also, please don't say they will have 99% of the coins. They have said repeatedly that the coins will be distributed (not 100% but most) the coins over a number of years instead of 1 quick IPO that creates an unfair advantage to early adopters and causes later adopters to lose interest, much like Mastercoin and to some degree, NXT.

even 50% would be a total joke. If they keep 3-5% everything is alright.
Nobody knows if they will every give more coins to us. And a first IPO worth selling 1% for 50k$ is just pure greed.
Thatīs the worst IPO Plan in history.
A single IPO doesn't match their goals. It doesn't enable them to distribute coins as bounties over years and it doesn't allow them to involve people who aren't watching this coin right now. If you have something constructive to say in regards to reaching their goals in a better fashion then go to their thread and give your argument, they will listen. If you want to just make some profit then go buy some dogecoin.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Shivalein on April 29, 2014, 01:20:09 PM
This is too weird. I got excited when I saw it debut but I think it was a mistake. Who the hell has 99% of the coins??? Why would the devs make a meshnet and then keep is value from the world?? Its worse than ripple. The way to do it, it to give 100% of the coins to the people. Otherwise this is just like tor but with distibuted hosting. Its a great idea but I think the devs are motivated by greed. No wonder to volume is so low.

The IPO plan is just a plan for now. They have nothing set in stone and have even said they may change it if they think it is for the better. If you really don't like it, go suggest a better idea and say why. The developer(s) are really great when it comes to responding to questions and enquiries on the Skycoin thread. Also, it isn't released yet so there is no volume. You may be looking at the old 'Skycoin' that was released over a year ago.

I personally think that they should be releasing around 50% over multiple IPO's over a year then use the rest for bounties. This wouldn't be a get rich quick scheme that everyone seems to be looking for but encourages people to get involved and contribute to the coin and meshnet rather than hoarding for the sake of profit.

Also, please don't say they will have 99% of the coins. They have said repeatedly that the coins will be distributed (not 100% but most) the coins over a number of years instead of 1 quick IPO that creates an unfair advantage to early adopters and causes later adopters to lose interest, much like Mastercoin and to some degree, NXT.

even 50% would be a total joke. If they keep 3-5% everything is alright.
Nobody knows if they will every give more coins to us. And a first IPO worth selling 1% for 50k$ is just pure greed.
Thatīs the worst IPO Plan in history.
A single IPO doesn't match their goals. It doesn't enable them to distribute coins as bounties over years and it doesn't allow them to involve people who aren't watching this coin right now. If you have something constructive to say in regards to reaching their goals in a better fashion then go to their thread and give your argument, they will listen. If you want to just make some profit then go buy some dogecoin.

Of course, and I should trust them not to dump the coins if the price increases?
You are so naive.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: lovely89 on April 30, 2014, 02:14:41 AM
This is too weird. I got excited when I saw it debut but I think it was a mistake. Who the hell has 99% of the coins??? Why would the devs make a meshnet and then keep is value from the world?? Its worse than ripple. The way to do it, it to give 100% of the coins to the people. Otherwise this is just like tor but with distibuted hosting. Its a great idea but I think the devs are motivated by greed. No wonder to volume is so low.

The IPO plan is just a plan for now. They have nothing set in stone and have even said they may change it if they think it is for the better. If you really don't like it, go suggest a better idea and say why. The developer(s) are really great when it comes to responding to questions and enquiries on the Skycoin thread. Also, it isn't released yet so there is no volume. You may be looking at the old 'Skycoin' that was released over a year ago.

I personally think that they should be releasing around 50% over multiple IPO's over a year then use the rest for bounties. This wouldn't be a get rich quick scheme that everyone seems to be looking for but encourages people to get involved and contribute to the coin and meshnet rather than hoarding for the sake of profit.

Also, please don't say they will have 99% of the coins. They have said repeatedly that the coins will be distributed (not 100% but most) the coins over a number of years instead of 1 quick IPO that creates an unfair advantage to early adopters and causes later adopters to lose interest, much like Mastercoin and to some degree, NXT.

even 50% would be a total joke. If they keep 3-5% everything is alright.
Nobody knows if they will every give more coins to us. And a first IPO worth selling 1% for 50k$ is just pure greed.
Thatīs the worst IPO Plan in history.
A single IPO doesn't match their goals. It doesn't enable them to distribute coins as bounties over years and it doesn't allow them to involve people who aren't watching this coin right now. If you have something constructive to say in regards to reaching their goals in a better fashion then go to their thread and give your argument, they will listen. If you want to just make some profit then go buy some dogecoin.

Of course, and I should trust them not to dump the coins if the price increases?
You are so naive.

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. —Proverbs 26:4

Not sure if troll or not but please just stop.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: SomethingElse on April 30, 2014, 03:18:18 AM
I think that the POS coins have a lot of potential but so far none has been perfect.  NXT is awesome and doing some great things, but I wonder if NEM can make good where NXT has made mistakes.  I really think that the best investment of 2014 will be the thing that nobody expects but has all the killer features and comes out of nowhere to surprise everybody.. 


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Cleveland Evans on April 30, 2014, 11:31:34 AM
So if I have to sum it up looks like Ethereum, NXT and MaidSafe are the 3 (potentially) hot things one can invest in 2014 if he wants to be in the position that bitcoin early adopters were in 2009?


Your thoughts?

Summer coin worth the investment


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Shivalein on April 30, 2014, 02:11:20 PM
So if I have to sum it up looks like Ethereum, NXT and MaidSafe are the 3 (potentially) hot things one can invest in 2014 if he wants to be in the position that bitcoin early adopters were in 2009?


Your thoughts?

Summer coin worth the investment


nope


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: minerfool on April 30, 2014, 02:49:37 PM
Take a look at Exocoin ... very promising and active devs:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430467.0


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: wizzardTim on April 30, 2014, 10:33:26 PM
eXo, Qora, Counterparty, eMunie, Maidsafe, Skycoin, Etherium


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: tolstoy on May 01, 2014, 03:47:59 AM
#1 NEM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303
http://www.ournem.com/

also NXT, EXO and MaidSafe


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: counter on May 01, 2014, 11:35:27 AM
I'm not so familiar with any of them so I thank you for bringing this potential opportunity to my attention.  I look forward to sharing my opinions when I have a better understanding of these new cryptos.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: noopcoin on May 01, 2014, 01:38:51 PM
Don't put all the eggs in one basket. So all of them.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: Grumand on May 01, 2014, 02:06:17 PM
Why not listed NEM, NXTL, ExoCoin
These coins have great advantages


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: iopq on May 01, 2014, 02:13:02 PM
Myriad solves the only "problem" with Bitcoin right now - centralization of mining in the hands of the few. At least this way even the large mining pools will be split in 5 ways.


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: loveller on May 14, 2014, 08:28:50 AM
eXo,Qora,they are all great. ;D


Title: Re: Ethereum, MaidSafe, NXT, anything else worth investing in, in 2014?
Post by: newuser01 on May 14, 2014, 08:32:25 AM
Lots of NXT bagholders voting..