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we don't need a Govt. ruling the people.  we can make our own rules.  lets rise up and defeat the evil empire.

Your post remind me of this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpnOJmo1-Xk

Move away from there then? Or start your own nation and let it be a free nation for real! :)

Okay, you go first. We're right behind you. In fact, I'll be second in line providing my real name if you provide your real name also.

~Bruno Kucinskas

the only resolution is to create your own cult, and live out in the mountains as their leader.. where you will conduct multiple orgies and grow your own food via compost.

and that's how bitcoin magazine disappeared from the face of earth and was thrown in a cube like prison (cube movie the original watch that ^^)

i like to fantasize about myself being a cult leader.. basically "you, take off your shirt. you, bend over." and if a guy is in the group, i'd kick him out unless he was able to tithe 50% of his income.

At least we can vote for a local representative and ultimately a leader for the country. They may not be doing a good job from your perspective, but it is miles better than other 3rd world countries. The government can do better, agreed, but I am marginally content with what we have.

These politicians have let our country be eroded from the inside by letting our agriculture slip, manufacturing jobs leave the country, and made finance type jobs a valuable job. Our top paying jobs don't actually provide a service for anyone, they just find ways to "invest" your money.
Hopefully enough people start to make a plan for change. It probably won't happen until the next world war happens.

now lets pursue to build our own bitcoin island and forget everyones corrupt goverment for good everyone is already tired of their goverment IMO

Start an uprising. Simple as.

It's interesting how so many people complain about the U.S. when many other countries are way worse. Of course, that doesn't mean they're doing well, but it's the only place I see complains about.

Could you make a lost of the countries where the National Security Agency hacks in to your FaceBook / Twitter page and access your private data? Also, can you tell me which are the countries which tap phone data from all of its citizens?

Which ones?

There are probably many countries that treat their own citizens worse, but as far as a country thinking they're above international law and can do what they want to any other country and its people, then there's no greater terrorist threat than the mighty USG. That's just the way it is until they change their ways. They can start by stopping doing all this:

i can just see it in the news "first murder on Bitcoin island"

I get the same living in Britain, everyone always whining. But I guess I realise that it's the whining that causes change. Enough people whine = change. Never been to the US, but I assume in general it's better to live there than most countries. Why? Because you guys are constantly whining!  ;) You have a country where you are free to whine (lots of people would live in fear of their lives if they badmouthed their respective countries). I'm convinced that Britain is a great place to live because we're a nation of moaners...............nothing more British than moaning (with a cup of tea in one hand)

president barrak obana is here in the philippines right now and to tell you all there is a lot of activistpeople are outside of the malacanang palace whining for something they dont like :D

Are you actually even British?

if you class British as 'white British' then no, I'm brown. Mother from Bangladesh, father from India - but I was born here, as in Britain

Is that good enough?

p.s and I do love tea

Loving tea doesnt make you british. That just sounds like a stupid stereotype.

why you zeroing on the tea?  ??? the thread's about complaining - most Brits admit they whinge a lot

by the way, stereotypes exist cos a lot of people fall into them -otherwise they wouldn't exist, just saying...

We are the bitcoin cult, with bitcoin Island, with bitcoin people, It's our bitcoin world :D

I bet a lot of people from Africa, poor parts of South America etc would change places with you :)

cool, now where should this island be? I'm thinking somewhere warm..........

i highly doubt my parents would want me replaced with a black kid

You'll never know. ;D

All brits dont like tea?

i'm tired of everything. i just want to sleep forever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jieN2Hp5hS4

I haven't clicked yet, will this be The Clash?

Nope:
Here is what I was thinking of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A13vj5vdlCU

Make others aware of the issues facts that matter and things will begin to change.  That is how I think the problem is going to be fixed.

No, but that's just one aspect of it. Look at Venezuela, for example. All of the chaos was caused by the government, and as far as I know, they don't spy on their citizens.

You sure it was caused by the government and not some international agency trigger that shit as they did before in several other countries?

that's what they get for not banning child porn.  Them and Russia

What load of BS? CP is banned everywhere and that includes Venezuela and Russia. BTW... what this has to do with the ongoing protests, which were caused by the rising food prices and inflation?

Love is the way to peace.  Be positive and your world will become so.

Did you mean, that's what they get for not bowing to American interests and giving away their natural resources at the expense of their own people?  :P

Not sure that the US is any worse than any other govt. More powerful certainly.

They are all self-dealing douchebags

Being from small-town Canada, I'd happily switch TO the United States.

I love Tech, specifically ecommerce. Canada Postage is too expensive, ecommerce dried out within Canada real quick. Competition is too difficult when you have the states right below you and Canada not trying to advance.

But as with most countries, there are pros and cons. Issue is people only look at the cons before looking at the actual pros of, for example, not being in Africa.

i like canada. if you came to the U.S. you would probably have to learn how to deal with so many dicks. canadians are really nice, communal type people.. and people more educated than most americans to boot.

I am more for this: Make love, not war :) But I agree that we do not need leader at all. As I know people have same right, so all countries should have same rights.

Haha, I'm actually on vacation in the United States right now. (Florida OFC, where else? Come down here for every year past 10 years). I've met some really nice Americans (and I have friends who live in Alabama, PA, etc...), so I guess it really depends. It is really proportionate. Believe me, there are some Canadians who are dicks just as much, if not more.

No doubt, I love the people in Canada, but It's more or less a matter of Economics, Industry Standards and our generic cost of living being ridiculously high. Not to mention if you want to go to the states, have fun in the line-up.

People are too stupid, desire power, and don't cooperate, and that's worse than the US government.

What you are proposing is "Anarchy". Google it, it hasn't worked before  :-\

Sort of... so for example, during the Spanish Civil War, the regions of Catalonia and Aragon were effectively an anarchy; there was no central government controlling the course of affairs, but things were still done: day to day living went on as usual, infrastructure was built and maintained, etc. The only reason it did in fact not work out was due to outside interference.

Yeah, let's tear it down! We don't need laws or police or roads or education. All that stuff get's in the way of my plans to enslave your children anyway. Without the government we can enjoy the peace and quiet that comes from the aftermath of a well executed poison gas depopulation.
Your children will not have to deal with the distractions of civilized life. There will just be mining and dying early. Easy peazy. It will be just like the good old days after the fall of Rome or the glitter of the bronze age collapse.  ;D

Go live in a jungle, there you dont have to folllow anyone.  :D

How about we actually treat the USA Constitution as the law?
It can be amended when necessary, so most arguments against are usually BS.

As I stated above, there have been cases of anarchy working without internal conflict; what you suggest wouldn't always be the outcome fortunately. :P

There are some qualifications though: the example I gave wasn't anarcho-capitalism, but real anarchy; I personally don't believe anarcho-capitalism can succeed. And in the case of Spain, there had previously been decades of popular organizing, and a lot of failed attempts before they got it right.

So, I believe attempting the same in the US at this point in time would probably be a bad idea; it could just as easily shift even further to the right. But with enough education, organizing, and pushing for changes within the current system (like getting rid of money in politics once and for all, for example), it would be possible.

EDIT: here's an interview at The Real News with Chris Hedges https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX6n861Gu6Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX6n861Gu6Q) that goes on a bit about this, and on what you can do to begin changing the current situation.

a lot of people are fed up with the surveillance/ police state that the USA has become.

Not very many people care enough to actually protest though.

I can guarantee that if the US has major widespread protests like in the arab spring, they would be dealt with extremely harshly and with excessive force.

We will come together and make our voices heard when the time if most opportune to us. 

No way you can defeat US. If you don't like to live in US. Live in the wilderness, live off grid. Plant your own vegetables and fruits and grow your own livestocks. And live peacefully ever after.

Ultimately the US, as any other country, is constituted by its people. If people actually organize, and start pressing for democratic changes, of course they can "defeat the US".

No need to defeat the US. The US will disintegrate on itself. Just check the disintegration of the USSR. The USSR collapsed as the war machine became unsustainable. The same will happen with the US.

Unfortunately you're on to something. The U.S. is spending itself into oblivion.
That is what draws me to Bitcoin.
My wife believes in traditional "safe" investments. So, we have her 403B, Roth IRA's.
I do not believe the average person gains from those, plus with the way the government is headed, how do we know that they are even safe? Therefore, I turned to non-traditional "risky" investments....Bitcoin, metals, property.
Should the U.S. every decide to seize its citizen's wealth to pay off the bad debt, I have hedged my bets.

I can only imagine how life is in US. Try, for instance, live in Eastern Europe.

I have no frame of reference as to how life is over there.
Is it more free than the U.S.? How people complain about the governments as much as we do?

I am pretty sure that every single country complains about their government to a certain degree. If they don't, then there's something fishy going on. However, that's the way it should be, since it help keep the government in check.

Imagine the US government was anywhere close to Sweden government in terms of democracy and transparency

No joke. It will happen sooner than you expect. Everyone in the US will now be thinking that what happened to the Cypriots will never happen to them. Well... everyone will be proved wrong.  >:(

People will do something about it when the prospect of being murdered by armed thugs seems like a better deal than their day to day lives (i.e. going to work or whatever).

The sad part is, it doesn't have to get to that point, if people start doing something about it. And it doesn't even have to be much at this point in time...

Like what? Call your congressman? Write a letter? Vote? If these things could effect anything, they'd be banned.

Best thing to do is to withdraw from the system to every extent that's possible. The enslaving debt based financial system requires ever more debt, so if people stop creating more debt(currency) then the financial system will collapse. Stop being good consumers. Stop borrowing and living beyond your means. Stop using electronic credit dollars and use physical dollars. Keep your currency away from banks.

The US has spent billions turning local police into military units.
http://freeconcord.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/bearcat_fk.jpg


Keene, NH actually had people get out to protest the excessive military equipment, but I'm not aware of many other protests: 
http://freeconcord.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/bearcat_tank_amish.jpg

The bankers clearly have a plan to steal wealth it is so obvious.  That is what all big scandals have been about that come to my mind.

These people are probably targeted by NSA right now, bye bye their online privacy and anonymity. :(

Absolutely. US bank account agreements have been quietly changed over the years, just as "safe" deposit box agreements have. Either can be seized at any time. Sadly, most still believe their wealth is safe in banks.

I`m with you, now send me a reasonable cause to give you some btc.

Okay, many of us hate the countries we live in. I hate the U.S.

But there's far worse countries out there, way worse than America. Yeah, the Government is stupid beyond repair, but would you rather be in a Communist Gov or a Kratocracy?

They're NOT stupid. They want you to believe they're stupid. Barry and his numerous speech writers and fact checkers don't "accidentally" forget words when he (mis)quotes the Gettysburg address on international television. US politicians aren't "confused" when they talk about preserving their "democracy". They KNOW the US is not now, nor has it ever been a democracy. They're actors, playing their roles. Keeping the masses bickering with each other and hiding the fact that the US has become a decaying fascist shithole...an oligarchy.

Despite hating US, I actually just look on the output of what it offers compared to other places in the world.

The USD is the world reserve currency(for now). The US's principle export is inflation. The US has done well since ending bretton woods by looting the rest of the world...that time is ending. Sure the US HAD a manufacturing base that was second to none, but no longer. That manufacturing base has been gutted by greedy corporations and their bought and paid for politicians. One need look no further than the once great, but now bankrupt, city of Detroit, which now looks like a bombed out city in Germany during WWII. America has been living high on the hog off the labor of the rest of the world for decades, but a rude awakening is coming.

The problem the system is global. the US just tries to take advantage of being in the lead of what shouldn't considered a race.

It is an honest reason to ask for money ::)

FED: "your moneyz belongs to us !" I doubt the US will ever pay their external debt, but what scary is internal huge debt that reaching the moon abd beyond at rate bitcoin will never be able to achieve no matter what

So, we agree up to a point, right? You're already providing a few things that people can do, starting immediately: "Stop being good consumers. Stop borrowing and living beyond your means. Stop using electronic credit dollars and use physical dollars. Keep your currency away from banks". I would say however that credit unions would perhaps be a good replacement for banks at this time; no need to keep your money under the mattress.  :P

But I disagree that the rest is fundamentally ineffective; it tends to take a lot of organizing to get it to work, probably more than most people are willing to (and given the situation of a lot of people, even able to) put up with, but it's possible. There's only so much influence big money has on government, and only so much the mainstream media is able to brainwash.

So, take for example what the guys from The Young Turks are trying to do: they created Wolf PAK (http://www.wolf-pac.com/ (http://www.wolf-pac.com/)) with the idea of passing an amendment to the constitution to get money out of politics. I think this is the most recent update from them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZfIShjcA9w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZfIShjcA9w). Why not give it a go?

it depends really where you are looking and what are the requirement you are looking at, and in terms of the western world the US of A, is not the best place to be.....at least from a social, educational, healthcare, democracy point of view, I'm not saying that other places are perfect, just saying that US people should aim for better, and stop comparing them self to other poor countries that were exploited till recently by imperialism and still suffering from dictatorship while their resources are being stollen by foreign companies and the puppets set on power

Is that the insatiable optimism of youth I detect? :D

I agree that community credit unions are marginally better options than large corporate banks, but NCUA deposit insurance is every bit the fraud that FDIC is. Storing your wealth in these institutions just limits your access to it. None of them pay anywhere near the rate of inflation in interest payments and ALL of them employ fractional reserve lending(counterfeiting) to increase the "money" supply. I suggest you store the bulk of your wealth in something NOT denominated in fiat. Bitcoin and/or precious metals spring immediately to mind. The portion you do keep in fiat for convenience should be stored in a safe...preferably hidden and defended by Pb.

Any real "movements" that gain any political traction are immediately assailed by the government's propaganda machine(MSM) and/or co-opted by the single political party masquerading as two parties that dominates US politics. I'm sorry, I wish there was hope as well, but there is no hope of real change unless and until the system is shaken to it's foundation. The most likely way I see that happening is via economic collapse, which is why I'm doing my small part to push us in that direction.  

They have jailed people for less..... :S

How do you rise up when everything you say is seen by the people you would rise up against and any notion of doing something will land you in prison for life?

It's over.

The USD is a debt instrument. In order for it to continue enslaving it needs debt greater than previous debt. The way to bring down the beast is for large numbers of people to withdraw their support. As debts are extinguished credit dollars are destroyed. If this continues for long and there are no new debts(or fewer new debts) created, then we get an imbalance and deflation is the result. This is why TPTB keep pushing seemingly nonsensical programs like cash for clunkers, federal student loan takeovers, HUD, fannie mae, freddie mac, etc. They're trying to keep people borrowing and spending beyond their means.

Maybe you can go to Afghanistan .