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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U

It makes me sad to see so many ppl talk down the arts and encourage ppl to get a "real degree" or something like that

arts are great as part of the overall education but a theater degree is just going to make sure you are deep in debt and working at starbucks for the rest of your life .It makes me sad to optically discern so many people put down the arts and inspirit people to get a "real degree" or something like that

This guy is brilliant, I haven't seen his videos for awhile, the thing is though, speaking as somebody who is studying Art and Jewellery, if you're purely after a job you won't necessarily be able to do well, especially if you go for a degree precisely because of what he's talking about. That said, I think Education is getting so bad now all you're going to have to do to get a masters degree is write several essays on whatever subject you pick ( no matter how vocational the subject is ) and this will mean that no young people will have the skills to produce and make things in their respective countries anymore.

I'm also glad to see that I'm not alone in my suspicions about ADHD, I think it's not only a case of the system itself being at fault, I'm convinced going back on my own education that teachers use ADHD or mental illness as an excuse to cover up how badly they teach. In a couple of my previous schools I ended up in those kind of catchup/'special' classes etc. ( Yes, feel free to laugh ) where they were pretty much assuming because I wasn't doing all the work and had trouble with basic mathematics I must have something wrong with me, but really all it was was that there were massive gaps in my education like being unable to do percentages or take tests because nobody had simply taken the time to explain it all to me.

Western education is a piece of shit, so it's no surprise seeing the data come out finally proving it later on.

Its not only the teachers fault but is also the parents fault for not fighting against a false system.  when I was 14 years old I was placed in a resouce room just because I coudnt grasp as fast as others can.  The real truth about me bieng placed in there is cause I couldnt see the black board so I would have to squint but still coulndt make out what the teacher was explaining on the board and instead of the teachers seeing that and getting me to see a doctor, they instead thought I was a slow learner, then I was in resource room which only made things worst for me because I felt like a dumb outcast. 

arts are great as part of the overall education but a theater degree is just going to finalize thar you are in deep in debt and working as a waiter or waitress for the rest of your life .

You might really like this as well :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9LelXa3U_I

Such importance is contained in this amazing speech by Sir Ken Robinson reminding us on how fast we are moving without giving regard to the qualitative development which is very much needed for mankind.

Everything I needed know about life, society and inculcation I learned in kindergarten.

We edify to an educational standard, not to an employment standard. If we inculcated to an employment standard, handled properly, most people would not require to progress past the 8th grade, let alone high school or college, because the prodigious majority of jobs available in our society do not require advanced education, but on the job training.

Why do we keep wasting our money and the money of most families on having students procure a college degree with which they will be ineffective? Other than exposing our children to more socialism and feelings of entitlement or guilt?

Pretty much all praised education for the act of educating, without a consideration of education as good for the masses because it just is. I expected nothing less.

This is a problem with our system. Without young minds that think they can individually make a difference, why?

Intercity schools fail not because the kids are stupid, but because they are realistically un-motivated. They understand their lot in life is limited by their environment, and they also are big believers in energy conservation.

What he talks about in the video is not just a problem with the US system, it's a problem pretty much everywhere in the world. The problem with the US system (I think) is that kids are not allowed to fail, so you bring the standards down so much so that everyone passes, and you limit bright children by forcing them to the standard.

Education reform is a false dichotomy.  The alternative is which?  You spend trillions of dollars only to produce more over-educated individuals without gainful employment?

 If you increase the standards, you would end up with Engineers and PhD Calculus serving coffee at Starbucks ~ oh wait ~ we already have that.

But you know, you could get a decent full set encyclopedia (printed), like 26 volumes or more (World Book or Britannica or what have you that looks good and thick with lots of pages.)

You take the time to just read through almost everything, even skipping every other section, you will learn a lot. (No, wikipedia does not count, but its a good anyway.)

Some of the best socially educated people I know could not deal with the commonality of grocery shopping, or preparing a meal using common cooking facilities and utensils, yet they are deemed "well educated".

Sorry, but even in this day and age, if your education precludes your ability to feed yourself other by ordering a pizza from Little Cesers or a sandwich from Jimmy John's, your wholeness as a human is a total fail.

Arts should be given the importance it deserves, just like the Science and Technology branches should be given their due importance. But nowadays, far too many people are choosing the arts streams, which is creating a scarcity of people with Science and Technology degrees.

How about this: a lot has to do with the teachers.  I can count on 1 hand the number of GOOD teachers I had.  The rest I merely had to endure.  Some actually taught things like HOW to think (instead of rote memory learning) and made me think about how I was living my life.  Unfortunately with the amount of time kids spend in school you need teachers to do more of this in my opinion.  You get these boring teachers teaching kids science and tech etc. and obviously yes none are going to want to pursue it when there are more "fun" subjects like art or music.

Thats because teachers are protected by a certain law, after years of working once they have protection with there seniority teachers get lazier and hence dont make educating fun for the children

Especially in the US and the EU, the teachers are a bunch of over-paid people whose qualifications are getting less and less preferable over the years. Any attempt to weed out the under-qualified staff is met with opposition from the powerful unions. A few decades ago, the teachers cared a lot about the talent and knowledge they input among the students. Not anymore. Now their only concern is to maintain a hefty salary package and 200-day paid leave per year.

a bigger problem is how the US (and the rest of the world) overvalue standardized testing. seems they promote memorization more than they do learning. education should be not just learning, but learning through interest.

That's exactly what's going on, teachers want children to memorise answers, I won't use the word 'fact' because that means that the answers people give would have to be correct, so you're having whole generations growing up not knowing basic English and Maths because everybody is so focused on these ridiculous tests. If you think I'm bad, the next generation isn't going to know the multiplication table or know how to do basic grammar soon enough and they'll leave school under false pretences and wonder why they can't even get a starting job at a food chain despite getting A's in everything because the teachers will have lied to them about their future prospects.

LIFE magazine "Crisis in education" march 1958

http://englishrussia.com/2010/05/17/life-magazine-1958/ (http://englishrussia.com/2010/05/17/life-magazine-1958/)

http://oldlifemagazines.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/v/cv032458.jpg


"Our sputnik moment then and now"

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/the-daily-need/our-sputnik-moment-then-and-now/7286/ (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/the-daily-need/our-sputnik-moment-then-and-now/7286/)

It is all about supply and demand.

He mentions that 98% of kindergarteners have this great creative instinct.

So...if there is a demand for such a thing...you have a supply consisting of billions of people that can think at least at the level of a kindergartener.

That is wonderful, supply covered.

Now, what if you want someone with the knowledge to transfer electrons over a large distance at a certain frequency converting it to useful information...then you may need to spend some time to figure out how such things work and might require a background that allows you to understand each of the pieces that go together to get that knowledge. Or more importantly, to come up with new ways of doing such things, better.

Is there a large supply of such people? Is there a large demand for cell phone technology?


But you have a choice, you can be someone that is in plentiful supply with little demand or you can be someone in high demand with limited supply. The result tends to be that you will not have much power (money) if you are part of a huge supply with little demand, while someone that is in huge demand with limited supply will have more power (money).

It tends to be human nature to want more power, not less.

If you want to not learn about things that are in demand...go for it, find yourself. Offer to the world that which billions of other people can offer and find out quickly how well that works out for you. You can artistically put a Subway sub together (until someone else comes along that will do it cheaper).

Still US higher ed in pockets is the best in the world and attracts elite students every year

I dont know if you ever had watched good times show, but thats what happen to AJ, they passed him just to get to graduate, nor to care if he learned anything in those years of his education. so this coming from a show in the early 80's show saying we had this problem for a very long time.

Higher education in the US allows people to choose their college.

The future of education will all be online.

Sure kids might go some place with teachers assistants or a type of "babysitter" for a few hours to work on their online assignments, but it will still all be done online.

Florida already offers a full, free curriculum online where you can get full credit including a high school diploma.

The teacher's union is unionizing teachers right out of a job.

That is right. There are a lot of foreign students studying in the US from countries such as South Korea, China and India. And recently the Saudis have also realized its importance.

More Saudi Arabians studying in the U.S

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/24/local/la-me-saudi-student-20131125

On a side note regarding "education paradigms", most of college, and much of grad school could easily be done online. I haven't gone to a single lecture after like 4 months of starting, since I can get everything online and there are better teachers out there than what most schools offer (Khan Academy etc).

But with the huge demand for country club campuses and government guaranteeing loans (even if you pursue something like art history), tuition will never stop increasing.

Right now there's a proposal in California to have the state pay for STEM fields tuition. The student pays it back in the form of an income tax after graduation. The proposal is limited to STEM fields because "he doesn’t want a bunch of lazy arts students taking advantage of free tuition and paying back almost nothing from their negligible future salaries."

It's hysterical that he actually said that, mostly because he's right and that's so rare for politicians

No he isn't.
Long term education decisions shouldn't always be driven by the market.
Often times the market is shortsighted and we undervalue many forms of education and art

The whole idea of university and scholarly pursuit should have at least some degree of independence both from political pressure and economics.

Some of the greatest advancements to human thought and philosophy have come from those deemed less valuable by the markets of their respective time.

We should be encouraging STEM studies. I'm not saying I'm against you going for an English or liberal arts degree, it's just I believe if were going to help someone get an education it should be in science, technology or math, so they could possibly use it in the future for something other than making sure the drive-through orders are correct.

I don't think anyone is saying that non-STEM fields should be funded while STEM fields aren't funded.
There's nothing really wrong with that , but as far as practical application is concerned, obviously STEM fields are much more likely to be paid back. I don't think loans should be issued to arts and science majors as though they are all of equal risk. If you're going into a field that is less likely to be able to afford to pay back the loan, then that should factor into whether you get a loan, and it should factor into the loan amount as well.

I think that is only part of the problem.  There is also the part that leaves those children caught in the middle of this transition to get caught up in a losing battle where a degree or diploma may not be an option.  Many lives will be affected by this not just the childrens but also the society as a whole.  This issue will obviously have a negative effect on future generations in many ways.

Young children could face bullying charges in city



Children as young as kindergarten-age could face misdemeanor charges for bullying under a proposed law advancing in a Southern California city.

The Carson City Council gave preliminary approval this week to an ordinance that would target anyone from kindergarten to age 25 who makes another person feel “terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed or molested” with no legitimate purpose.

A final vote is set for May 20, according to the Daily Breeze (http://bit.ly/1g3JLNT ).

First-time offenders could be ticketed for an infraction and fined $100. A second infraction would cost $200, and a third-time offense could bring a criminal misdemeanor charge.

“If a child is bullying someone, and a parent has to pay a $100 fine as a result of that, a responsible parent will realize their child needs some help,” said Councilman Mike Gipson, who introduced the ordinance and is spearheading a campaign to make Carson bully-free.

Adults who bully would be charged with either an infraction or a misdemeanor, which could come with jail time.

http://news.yahoo.com/young-children-could-face-bullying-charges-city-164036847.html;_ylt=AwrTWfyoBm1T9SEAWpXQtDMD

The problem is that online degrees can be scammed and cheating will be rampant.  Yea, they can put a webcam on you as you do the test, but even then.. come'on.  A smart lazy guy with much money will be able to work around that without a problem.

 I know people who are stuck with 1 class that they need an A in to get their GPA up high enough for their degree from our best state school.  They've literally spent thousands getting friends to help them.  The problem though is that the testing is done in person, while the learning is online.  So... at least the scam is prevented, but I wish the poor feller could just get his degree.

Stop using the STEM term.  Beyond a few niche engineering degrees, most of the STEM degrees are phucking useless in this economy.  As for engineering, there's been plenty of graduates since the 2008 recession who never got their foot in the door and many engineers older than 40 have been laid off.  There's many people with bachelor and masters in the sciences who can't find more than $13 a hour lab technician jobs.

Although I like this gem of a Math Graduate who is working at a Wharehouse.   ;D
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=157037383

In some ways a STEM degree can be worse than an Arts Degree, due to stem professors who bell curve their grades or deflate grades (some engineering professors, for instance, refuse to give higher than 60%) and that can ruin a student's GPA and prevents them from applying to law school, accounting, teaching program, et al.  

This economic worldwide recession has hurt a lot of white collar professionals but things seem to be going relatively well for blue collar labour, especially in the mining sector.  There are Welders and Technologists making $250K+ in the Canadian Oil Sands.  There's similar good money in the Australian Gold Mines.  Only downside to that life is the 86+ hour work rotations which can strain a marriage and family life but it's great for young men.

There is no ideal system. Every one has its own difficulties. No one can promise that after even the best college you admit you would find a perfect job. There's a good book of Malcolm Gladwell Outliers: The Story of Success.

   
if you are going to make more money as a science major
you should be willing to pay more for your credits than an art major

Yeah, I think schools should be able to adjust tuition rates based on demand for the class.
I think it's pretty obvious that tuition rates are inflated at this point, though; they are not even remotely commensurate with the value of the education that gets provided.
I guess what I'm getting at is that instead of paying more for science classes, students should just be paying less for art classes. At a certain level, we're saying the same thing. I just prefer the way I'm framing it.

https://i.imgur.com/J87IIGJ.png

http://www.examiner.com/article/private-school-teacher-cites-white-privilege-as-reason-for-common-core-nh?cid=db_articles

Do you think more people who are heavily involved in our current education system would notice if more parents either home-schooled or selected a good private school? Probably, but most parents don't care enough to put the effort in to make sure their children get a decent education. Because when it boils down to it, too many parents are too concerned about bringing home two paychecks to put in the time and effort it takes to make sure their kids have the tools they need to be successful adults -- and here I prefer not to get into the issue of how bringing home two paychecks is a necessity for many families. And then they yell at the teachers about little Timmy's poor grades or decide to drug him up over some kind of Big Pharma-driven fake diagnosis when it's very possible that Timmy is fidgeting because he's bored.

Here is your answer to why we have this situation right here:

John Stossel - Charter Schools & Teachers' Unions (http://youtu.be/4Xr4KC251pU)

http://eagnews.org/prom-slogan-highlights-cps-failures/

If more parents actually got involved in their students' education instead of just using public schools as a free daycare service, maybe public schools would notice. I know that, for way too many families, bringing home two paychecks is a necessity but that doesn't mean you should ignore the fact that your little brats kids might not be getting the best education available. There is some merit to simply working at home -- basically all you need is a home office and a reliable Internet connection and, in some cases, a separate phone line -- so you can set your own hours and also homeschool your kids.