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Qora is a new crypto-currency designed from the ground up to solve Bitcoin’s biggest problems while also adding new promising features. Qora is being built from scratch and will not rely on any other crypto-currency. Qora uses a new proof-of-stake algorithm making it future-proof. Qora is being developed in Java and relies on native C libraries to perform the most CPU intensive tasks.

Basically, there are only three real competitors on the market: Qora, Nxt and Bitcoin.

Main thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.0)

Technical details
• Algorithm: 100% POS
• 10'000'000'000 coins

Features
• Ed25519 DSA to verify and sign messages.
• 1-5 minute block time depending on the network activity.
• Retargeting every 10 blocks.
• Password protected wallets that can be recovered/generated from seeds.
• New Proof-of-Stake algorithm.
• A JSON RPC API to directly communicate with the client.
• Naming Service: Allows the user to register a key-value pair which can be used for various purposes (URLS, addresses, …)
This Naming Service will also include an exchange where users can buy and sell keys.
• Colored Coins/Assets.
• Arbitrary Transactions: A simple feature which allows users to send any payload they want over the network. This can be used by third-parties to build additional features on top of Qora (data storage, chat).
• Transaction Boosting: Higher transaction processing speed by not having to broadcast the transactions to the whole network.

Possible Features
• Anonymous transactions/Zerocoin: One of the biggest problems of Bitcoin is of course that every transaction is traceable. Currently Zerocoin is the most promising project which is trying to solve that problem in a decentralized way.
• Cross Blockchain trading.
• Finite Blockchain/Blockchain shrinking.

Willing to buy.

How many coins are there?
Is the POS algorithm inflationary?

Edit: Not assuming any market cap at the moment. It seems there are some serious problems with this code and coin. The questions stand nevertheless.

Updated post. 10 billion coins, not inflationary.

It has just been launched and it's better to wait a couple of days before buying any coins coz the coin is new and it was built from the ground up but there are no known serious problems at the moment.

selling qora, pm offers. must escrow

WTB 10 Million Qora

Please PM offers

WTS 1million qora/1btc

WTB 10 Million Qora for 7 bitcoins

Buying at 10 satoshis a piece, 2.5 bitcoins worth.

WTB 10 Million Qora  5 bitcoins

will send first with established forum member

WTB 12 Million @ 30 satoshi each - 3.6 btc

WTB 10 Million Qora  5 bitcoins
PM me, thanks.

WTS 1million qora/1btc
only 10million for sell.
discount available if u take all 10million.

Be careful people!! The 10 Qora seek4dream sent me has 0 confirmations on my end, but has cleared on his end. Trading now might be too risky. The dev warned against it, so maybe we need to cool our heels for a while. At least do a small test first.

I'd like to buy, but I want a reliable client first.

http://i57.tinypic.com/55h3io.jpg

WTB Qora.
10 sat a piece.

I'm aware of the current risk. Higher prices with reduced amount of risk.

WTB 15 Million qora for 6 btc

Updated wallet https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.msg6777164#msg6777164 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.msg6777164#msg6777164)

Would be surprised if anyone sells such innovative product for less than 100 satoshi (I expect 1000satoshi), but anyway, you never know

Oh shoot! Qora looks stable now!

WTS 10 million Q for 30btc

yes, new version is working fine.

WTS 1 million Q for 3btc

WTS 1million Qora for 1 BTC

I also expect Qora's cap somewhere close to Nxt sooner or later.

Nxt is doing great, Qora has a long way to go, but still possible.
We can tell Qora dev is very competent and confident.

Today is a huge day in crypto-history. The best 2nd gen coin, most user-friendly, capable of becoming $10/qora

$100B cap? I'd say there is a possibility, but not any time soon for sure.

hahaha

10 M = 30 BTC
then
10000M = 30000 BTC. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuureee

WTB please PM me with your offer. Escrow only.

Thanks

WTS 2 million Qora for 1.5 BTC.

haha, very funny :) The problem is Qora has a very limited distribution (almost as bad as NXT in November 2013), and the only reason NXT progressed was the NXT founders sold great wads of NXT dirt cheap for weeks & months (still are really).

If the Qora IPO guys get greedy you'll be Qora millionaires in a pool of 150 guys - that wont get you far. Some of you need to sell big quantities for low prices to spread the Qora around, otherwise why use Qora when we have NXT already?

Greed will kill this coin in 3 weeks. Look at the early action on the NXT trading thread - check out how low the NXT guys sold for - that's why NXT got over the distro problem.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345336.0

WTB 15 Million Qora for 6 bitcoins

Prices like that will put Qora on par with NXT the moment it starts. Thats beyond bold, thats  stupid.
If amounts are sold for such large quantities, the product should at least be fast and stable. Which it is not.
Qora is still buggy and a risk to invest something in. It's not proven that it actually works in a way a crypto currency does.
A higher price than IPO is in order, I get that, there is something. But NXT offers a massive community and a host of own developers and work that is done.

Qora will die pretty soon, if you go the way you do at the moment.

When I think of NXT, then 1M was sold for about 0.6 BTC. If I compare it to the total ammount of Quora, that would mean 10M for about 0.6 BTC. Then NXT and Qora would have the same marketcap in the first days.

BTW: 1 BTC invest got you ~80M of Qora. So selling for about 10M for 0.6 BTC would mean a rise of about 500%!!! Guys, what more could one want?

EDIT: Not considered that its not stable right now.

In Nxt's first days, ppl don't see the huge potential of it, so the price is low.
Now with the success of Qora, ppl know what marketcap Qora might reach if it goes well.
That is why the start price is much higher.

It's all about the 3 D's

distribution
distribution
distribution

Qora millionaire in a community of 150 guys is worthless! Greed kills POS coins with limited distro

Don't worry, distribution is happening.

Sold 500K - 1.5 M left !

selling 1.25 million for 1 BTC. PM if interested.

same here.
discount available for 5 million or larger order.

WTB @ 40 sat

escrow, PM me

WTS @ 100 satoshi. Min 1M.

Over 5M — 80 satoshi

Over 10M — 70 satoshi

PM for quick response.

Selling up to 3m, at 75 satoshi.

A Heads up to all buyers:

Not all coins have been distributed.
Only half of all coins are held by investors right now.

It is wise to wait at least 24 hours from now to guarantee that all shares are within control of their owners.
This guarantees the largest currently possible market liquidity.

Looking to only sell 7 mill.

Make me a offer.

I have upto 300k to sell 50 satoshi each price for those wanting smaller amounts

10 billion coins, I think says bid low, very low.

Looking to buy some @ 50 satoshi. PM if interested.

sorry i can PM you in a minute, i have been spending the last 8 hours sending over 1000 msgs to people on the spread sheet in regards to another coin(nfdv2) and have hit my 120 hourly limit, shud be fine in 4 minutes

Hold the line buyers!!

A price of 100 satoshi would give Qora a marketcap of ~4.5 Million USD!!

That's at the beginning, with major competition from NXT and many others. The client is buggy and beta grade at best.

If Qora is to survive it needs to increase the user base by a factor of 10 asap, like in 10-14 days (that's still only ~1500 people), and if you start at 100 satoshi on the bottom rung of the price ladder you leave little room for new people to feel they can make a profit, so they'll go elsewhere now, and wait for the crash before they buy in.

Be market makers, stagger some offers at much lower rates to increase the user base. Don't be greedy, take a cold shower and get rid of the NXT 73 fever you might be feeling.

Look what happened to NXT, it started low and attracted lots of new people, but it went up too high too quickly .... and crashed. It still hasn't fully reached the same level from its peak. The market wont be as kind to Qora. NXT already exists and is a first class platform, so Qora needs time to prove itself and answer the big question, 'why use Qora when we already have NXT'.

100 satoshi / 4.5 Mill marketcap on day one leaves very little room to grow the community.

Buyers, hold out for 25 satoshi, marketcap of 1 Million USD!

I'm waiting for 15 satoshi after the first crash.

Some people bought NXT @ 0.00012 in January

Some people bought NXT @ 0.00004 in March/April

And the NXT founders sold bucket loads of NXT very cheaply, so the first price rung on the NXT ladder gave new entrants lots of incentive to buy/join the NXT community.

Sellers, selling 10-25% of your Qora low now means your chance to sell 25% at 1000 satoshi is much greater. That is the lesson from NXT

Want to sell 1m qora.
I don't know how much to sell. A reasonable price is good.
Just PM ME.

25 satoshi. Really? So Qora place is somewhere among those?

http://f6.s.qip.ru/FK151x4E.png

And you're wating for 15 satoshi? Which is just three times more than Nas, IFC, Redd? :) Good luck with that.

Also consider this. The price of 100 satoshi gives us a great opportunity for growth. If we gather a dev fund around 100M coins it'll be 100 Btc if Qora price is 100 satoshi. We could do a lot of great stuff. If the price is somewhere around 15-25 satoshi we can't do much. Anyway I'd be glad to pledge coins for a dev/mareting fund but I won't sell small amounts less than at 100 satoshi.

Qora is *probably* a better coin than all the ones from coinmarketcap you posted, but they have one thing (at least) that Qora doesn't have, and at 100 sats, WONT HAVE - people!

I don't think lightning will strike twice. How many people were part of the Qora IPO? How many Qora millionaires are there?

NXT has spent 5 months trying to get over the 'distribution' issue, and many people are still dismissive of NXT because of the 'unfairness' claims. I'm not hung up on fairness too much, the IPO was open and public, but I'm more worried about a NXT like crash from 0.00012 to 0.00004 - that was painful, and seems inevitable for Qora using your chosen bottom price of 100.

Qora has all the same  distribution baggage NXT has/had, but at 100 satoshi, you'll have about 150 guys with enough self-interest to grow,defend & promote Qora, and that's not enough. IMO NXT succeeded because in the first 2 weeks the price was so low the user base (and fan base) increased by a multiple of 10-100 very quickly - the 73 grew to a few thousand because prices were low, and the founders offloaded lots of NXT and created lots of new NXT people. 95-98% of the most active NXT people weren't in the 73.

I'll wait for 15, and I think if most of the buyers do some thinking they'll realise my points are valid, and Qora @ 100 satoshi is a HUGE risk. Buy NXT today and you can almost guarantee a return in 6 months. Buy Qora for 100 sats today and you *can't* say the same thing. Maybe Qora will be at 10 million marketcap, but with 150 guys, plus a few desperate Klingons willing to pay 100 sats I doubt it

Qora needs 1500 swingin' dicks on the ground in 10 days time, and I doubt you'll have that unless you start thinking long term. You can make good return from Qora, but 100 sats is greedy NXT 73 fever.

150 people isn't a viable coin, it's a weekend BBQ in the park with family and friends :)

Wrong example. Since Qora has just been launched the right stats would be.

Some people bought NXT @ 0.00001 in December
Some of them sold NXT @ 0.0001 in January

That is what happening now. Want to have x5-x10 profit within a couple of months - lots of offers around here.

WTS , 10m qora for 7 btc.

Today's special offer:
1million/0.7btc,
only 5million for sell.

Very valid point.
BTW, the OP wrote earlier:


So, according OP's calculations, the reasonable high Qora price for seller would be 1.3 x 14 = 18 satoshi.
For rate higher than this level there is no profit room for buyers. At 10 satoshi there can be good compromise between seller and buyer.

My point exactly!! I would like a x5-x10 profit but my chances of that buying at 100 sats is very low, so I'll wait for the crash.

A newbie NXT guy could buy a 1 million NXT stake for 0.6 bitcoins in early december (which would be equivalent to 10 Million Qora for 0.6 bitcoin today with the relative coin supply), and he could have sold it for 10 times that price 1-2 months later.

So, if I buy Qora at 100 sats today what are my chances to sell it for 1000 sats in late June early July?

Do you really think Qora is a good bet to have a marketcap of 45 Million by July? That's the comparison, and IMO it is possible but unlikely. NXT is so far ahead, and then you've got eXo & NEM etc etc There's a lot of competition now

NXT started very low, grew user numbers from 73 into the thousands, and then had a community.

The price relativities don't support your choice of an opening offer price of 100, because that leaves no room to attract new users and support a x10 price increase in 1-2 months.

I do think as you. Qora still states itself on very starting position. There is no infrastructure, exchanges, large community, services and promotions - only capability of these.
150 initial stakeholders are the same flaw as well as in NXT. They should distribute coins to users as much as possible. If they want to reach Qora to success.

Thank you to spelling it out to the hopeful (delusional) guys here. This was exactly what I was thinking, but I'm too tired to get into it. Tomorrow I'll be back, and buyin. But not at 100 satoshi, that's for sure.

THIS IS A BUYERS MARKET!

150 Qora founders wont ALL hold out for a price like 100 satoshi.

Some will see x10 return as a good deal and they'll sell - the Qora IPO people aren't going to work together to keep prices high, they can't, some will crack.

If you are here to buy, hold out for a much lower price. It's in your interest, and it's in the long-term interest of Qora to have a slow steady increase in price that encourages new people to buy in, and join this community.

If buyers hold their fire the offers will gradually get smaller and smaller.

10 satoshi is still a good profit for the IPO, so a price of 15 satoshi will be attractive to many IPO investors.

If you bid more than 50 satoshi your penis might fall off too lol

Just stop trolling, people, ok? If you want to buy at 15 satoshi, post you offer and wait for a seller.

My offer stands.

WTS @ 100 satoshi. Min 1M.

Over 5M — 80 satoshi

Over 10M — 70 satoshi

PM for quick response.

I sell 10m for 7btc with escrow.
Just PM ME.

60 satoshi for no escrow.

Escrow takes too much time.

WTB 2.5btc worth at 10 satoshis. Pm me.

Trolling ... this is business! Is the guy opposite in a business negotiation a troll? You're a bit too sensitive for this 'game' I think.

When someone in business calls 'troll' rather than offering a counter argument it shows they're a bit rattled.

Buyers hold the line, you don't need to pay 100 sats!

dzarmush has avoided attempting to reconcile his choice for a starting price for Qora of 100 sats, and the obvious problem that implies for new comers seeking to have a chance of making a decent return, and thus how Qora gets a community going.

He is saying my case for a 'starting' price of ~15 sats on the Qora price 'ladder' is obviously false, because I'm trolling, which looks a bit weak.

Good one dzarmush, now you can avoid trying to explain how Qora can grow a community when newcomers have next to no chance of making a decent return. Without a community you don't have Qora, and 150 guys isn't a community, and 100 sats at the bottom wont get you one in time before Qora dies on the vine.

I'm making a case using reason and recent history that your 'bottom rung' price on the Qora 'ladder' of 100 satoshi is too high to grow a community, and ultimately very damaging to Qora. You might disagree with my opinion but it's hardly trolling.

I know from experience people have different expectations about what represents a good deal, and many will see 10 satoshi as a good return, and if buyers stop and think. they'll realise this is a buyers market, and they'll hold off on getting caught in a bidding war with other buyers.

If buyers hold for a week or two SOME IPO guys will take a x10 return, and the starting price for Qora will be well below 100 satoshi. That's good for Qora, and good for me, and I'm trying to convince other buyers to think the same. It's business.

If your only argument is, 'he's a troll', it shows you have no answer to my reasoning. I put it down to NXT 73 fever.

Of course the Qora IPO guys have been mentally processing the idea that maybe this is a repeat of NXT, and so you're all going to get rich. Well for that to happen you need ~1500 people to buy into Qora in the next 10-14 days.

Calculate your return on the IPO for 100 sats, and then consider the likelihood that Qora can reach a marketcap of 45 Million USD in 1-2 months, which would give me a x10 return.

I think if anyone does both those calculations they can see your IPO return will be massive, and the next batch of Qora investors (i.e. guys like me) will probably get burned to a crisp when Qora crashes.

My current conclusion is your desire to repeat NXT founder history has clouded your thinking.

You need people like me to buy Qora much more than I need people like you to sell it to me. Why? Because history and experience tells me Qora wont reach 45 Million USD  marketcap within 9-12 months (maybe never), so chances are I won't make even x10 profit if I buy at 100, but you'll still make a massive profit (what is it by the way, I bet you have calculated it), so in this negotiation you have both the capacity to move in my direction, and the need.

Buyers can cool their heels and wait for more realistic sellers to enter the market

I repeat, this is a buyers market.

If you are here to buy keep your powder dry and wait - don't think the price is going to shoot up - no need for a panic buy if the starting price is 100 satoshi.

In 2 weeks if the Qora community is still ~150 people there will be a fire sale. Why? Because x10 return will be enough for some people, and they'll be scared Qora could die before they get a chance to convert it into bitcoins.

All reasoned arguments and opinions, not wishful thinking, or 'don't listen to this guy, he's a troll.

WTB 20 Million Qora @ 15 satoshi

50 satoshi is reasonable.

I saw so many people are talking about the price.
I think the 50 satoshi is acceptable price, Not too high, Not too low.

So if you really want to buy this coin, Plea talk about at 50 satoshi.

Good luck with that. I'd better pledge 20M coins for dev/marketing fund than dump them for nothing. Everything under 60-70 satoshi is just ridicuolus.

I think in 2-3 weeks 50 satoshi is reasonable, and after that (1-2 months) we would get to 100 sats.

But your primary goal NOW is growing the community, not making a profit in the next 1-3 days.

NXT survived because its founders deliberately sold low to the first wave of buyers. It's all documented in the trading thread of NXT

If Qora guys hold out for 100 sats as the opening price what will happen? How many NXT clones are there now? How many Qora clones will there be in 6 months.

You only get one chance to establish the network effect for 'this' version of Qora.

You wouldn't be dumping them for nothing, you'd be growing a community - I thought you were one of the more insightful guys on this forum. A big pile of money can obviously mess with the mind, but at 100 satoshi I fear you pile of money will be a mirage.

If your opinion was to convince other Qora founders to hold out for 100 then I'll be waiting for a good Qora clone with a node distribution bot like NHZ horizon (wouldn't that be a great coin!), or the inevitable crash from Qora MK 1 (or both).

15 satoshi, nobody want to sell.

Nobody was aware of Nxt potential, that's why for the first week people sell 1M for 1Btc. I got in very early in Nxt but still I was only able to buy 200K for 1Btc and a week later the price exploded. Most part of distribution happened much later when Nxt hit Bter.


I think that Qora has a huge potential and see no reason to keep price close to zero which 15-25 satoshi is. It'll be better to distribute coins through bounties for development, marketing and nodes but keep the price over 60 satoshi. Everybody would win in this case.

YES, 50 satoshi is the lowest price.

I couldn't agree more. Shitcoins with 100 billion emission and absolutely no growing potential cost around 5-10 satoshi. Qora is the 2nd gen coin with new source and new POS algo (probably developed by BCNext) with 10B emission couldn't possibly cost lower than 50 satoshi. It's kind of a bottom price.

so price is set at 50 satoshi, I would only sell 5million for urgent purpose at such price. PM me if u r interested.

WTB 40 Million @ 35 satoshi = 14 bitcoins

Ready to buy  Qora.
From 1mln.
Only escrow.
Pm me yours offers.

@dzarmush, I suggest as the OP of this thread you modify the first post to keep track of bids & offers, if you have time. Otherwise people will need to bump bids & offers continuously and this thread will get out of control.

The monero thread is a good example.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=578192.0

Ready buy some QORA.
Who want sell some QORA,please PM you offers.
thanks

I can't agree you more.

Interesting. But does it actually work? I mean nobody knows if an offer is still available or deal has been closed.

i was thinking about doing this job last night. if dzarmush dont want do it, then i will start a new thread.

WTB qora @ 40 satoshi, 10-20 million

can use escrow, or i send first for trusted forum users

doge is only 10 satoshi.
does qora famous than doge .
and qora num is 10 billion now.doge only 100 billion.

why qora can so expensive?

Are you from the moon, my friend? :)

Doge — 100B coins — 100 satoshi
Qora — 10B coins — 100 satoshi

What does it mean? Right, that Qora's real price is at least 1000 satoshi if you compare it to Doge.

Also consider that Qora is not just another clone like Doge but absolutely new 2nd Gen coin with huge potential.

The guy running the OTC exchange thread gets to set the rules. You can always ask people to confirm trades, and if a user ignores PM's for too long their bid/offer gets removed

Without putting the bids & offers all together nobody can see what the market price is, so people sit on their hands. Nobody wants that, buyers & sellers.

smooth, who runs the Monero OTC exchange thread offers escrow too, so it stimulates more trading. Monero is on exchanges now, so the action on the OTC thread has slowed but for a week or so it was the only way to buy, and it worked very well.

The comparison is ridiculous.
Do you even heard about Yacoin?
Never, right.
Yes the price is 1109 satoshi. It's much expensive than doge.
You know why?
Because the amount is much less.

Got it. So it's kinda fuul operating exchange. If someone is willing to do so for Qora, I'll just give a link to a new thread and ask mods to lock this thread.

I don't buy your logic here at all. You arbitrarily assume that if the qora community doesn't grow to 1500 in 10-14 day it will die on the vine?? Simply spurious. If you want to buy post your offer. Someone will sell.

Qora is not NXT. There are thousands of people aware of the possibilities and willing to pay more to get in. Why not assume the qora community will grow to 2000 in 2 weeks selling for 70-100 sat? Maybe it will!

+1

Righteous post! Remember the three D's

distribution
distribution
distribution

No need for a marketing fund yet, the best marketing right now is a decent price that doesn't make the founders look like greedy pricks.

1 bitcoin in the IPO got about 85 Million coins

85 Million @ 100 satoshi is 85 bitcoins - x85 return

Buyers market for sure

Can you discuss distribution and other stuff somewhere else? It's a trading post, not discussing post.

You want to buy — post you price and wait for offers. You don't want to buy — don't post anything.

If you are going to make a new thread, please make it self-moderated. Those trolling guys are aweful. You explane to one of them, he disappers. Five minutes later comes another one and instead of reading discussion just posts the same bullshit again.

I get his argument.

100 sat starting price gives the founders approx x85 return

For someone buying today @100, for a x10 return they need Qora  to get to a marketcap of 45 Million

45 Million is high for a new coin.

137 founders isn't enough community, so if buyers don't 'panic buy' some sellers will eventually drop their price.

25 sats would give the IPO investor a x20 return, so without a panic buy, that's where we're heading, that's an impressive return

makes sense. without a community of users you don't have a coin

sorry, trading is price related. just ignore if you don't like it :)

Correct, at first no one saw NXTs potential.
But this is not NXT. Currently Qora is not in a good state, it is fresh and barely functional. It has a lot of competition out there, which NXT didn't have.

Qora is now one amongst many second generation coins. It's running late and far behind, while NXT is speeding up as we speak.

And the reason NXT does so are people who bought in cheap early.

There is no mentionable activity from the IPO investors. The guys that run the show now joined in early for a good price. A lot of developers did so and they move the coin forward now.

And as for your statement that Qora was probably made by BCNEXT:

Don't go there. BCNEXT is far more math guy than coder. He is good with the logic, but the real NXT work came from Come-From-Beyond. That guy is a brilliant coder.
Qora is definitely not BCNEXT. Completly different style going on here.

So, having a ten fold return on the initial investment in the early days is necessary to get people on board. You will get more with time, nobody says you got to sell everything. The big return comes later íf the current holders sell part of their coins for only ten fold (haha... only :P ) return. Keep it high and this whole thing will collapse.

qora is much better than NXT. NXT was like a beta for months - each two days a new version was released. Its gui also was not user friendly at all - who would understand what all those icons were, if he wasn't into cryptos?

Nxt was manipulated inside DGEX by the first whales - it started climbing up, even though there were no services at all for it at that moment.

qora is better from the start - if you compare the two launches, the gui, the participants, the belief..

Exactly! So many key NXT people were not founders, but bought in early & cheap, and those guys made NXT great. Without attracting fresh blood Qora will get flattened by 3000 NEM warriors, hundreds of eXocoin miners and many more IPO stakeholders, then there's all the rest - mastercoin, Counterparty, etherium blah blah blah It's a doge eat doge world out there in crypto land, and Qora getting to a marketcap of 45 million is a long way off.

So what motivates the new guys to join this community? Developer bounties, no way, it's a cheap buy in price. I'm not a dev but I'll run a website and/or newsletter - who's gonna pay for that. Nobody should, I should do it to increase MY investment.

It;s nothing to do with 'fair' or scam accusations. It's about getting people to commit to Qora like wesley & jl777 and uniquorn ,opticalcharacter, anon136 etc etc etc etc etc.

When will the source code be released for peer review? You better have more than 137 by that date.

WTS, 10m for an acceptable price.
JUST PM ME.

selling aliases: qora, nxt, app and some more

i think even 25 satoshis is too high for a new coin,its not even properly tested

While you think, others buy. Just sold 11M coins at 70 satoshi.

I agree, 25 satoshi (greater than x20 return for the founders) is an excellent profit for the Qora founders, and it does leave some room for early adopters to make a return too.

I'm offering 35 satoshi which is a x35 return, and at that price I think despite some stiff competition from other 2nd gen coins, I can make a profit in 6-9 months.

Anything above ~45 satoshi is a risk. Qora will be cloned to within an inch of its life, just like NXT. A Qora clone with a node bot, or a NEM styled stakeholder campaign would be very appealing to many. I think NXT is finally safe from its clones, and that's due to the people involved. Without good people Qora wont make 45 Million. I don't know why a x10 return for early adopters is the number, but if the guy I buy from made x85 return, then I guess x10 seems a bit on the small size.

At 35 satoshi I would make x10 return when marketcap reached ~15 million, which feels about right, and he makes x35 return today. That is a reasonable deal all round IMO

I just bought @25 :)

Your buyer will obviously want to stay anonymous for fear of embarrassment (like my seller) lol

BUYERS MARKET!

Oh really? How much did you buy? Let's check.

just start a new trading thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=613750.msg6795226#msg6795226 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=613750.msg6795226#msg6795226)
as MRO (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=578192.0)
feel free to use it.

Great. Let's see how it goes. If things work well I'll ask mods to lock this thread tomorrow.

My buy was as impressively large as it was impressively cheap!

but like your 70 sat sale, I can't prove the trade without revealing the transaction details of the other party, and I know you're an honest sounding guy, but you're Mr 100 satoshi, and anyone after that price *could* be motivated to trade with their own sockpuppet to scare people into a panic buy. We're both honest guys so we're both golden, no manipulation here hey :)

your unprovoked claim to a 70 satoshi sale looks fishy to me (my buy @25 is squeaky clean though, promise), I'm not tempted to manipulate the sellers one bit  .... scouts honour :)

BUYERS MARKET PEOPLE, don't be fooled buyers, not all the IPO guys have their stakes yet.

In a few days plenty of guys happy with x25 return will be selling for 25  satoshi, unless silly people pay more.

DON'T PANIC BUY! DON'T BE FOOLED! DON'T GET DESPERATE!

no 'real' buyers will be paying 70 satoshi today (dzarmush must have got lucky with a drunk winklevii twin)

So you're just a troll as I expected right from the start. Welcome to my ignore list.

 want to buy qora
Price: 50 satoshi per qora (0.00000050)

No just reacting to your attempt at manipulation 'Mr 100 satoshi'

While you're ignoring me I'll have more time to appeal to fellow buyers, so thanks for that!

THIS IS A BUYERS MARKET.

USE YOUR BRAIN, x85 RETURN IS TOO HIGH TO GROW THIS COMMUNITY

X85 RETURN LEAVES LITTLE CHANCE FOR YOU TO MAKE A PROFIT

FOR THE GOOD OF THE QORA, HOLD OUT FOR NO MORE THAN 40 SATOSHI

Guys like dzarmush have MASSIVE incentive to make buyers think 70 satoshi sales happened today, so 100 tomorrow, then 150 etc etc ... freak out .... panic buy.

NXT went up, crashed down for months, and then after months of real dev work, it has grown to ~40 Million marketcap.

Don't be a sucker!!

If you have nothing to contribute why would you expect someone wants to sell you coins for nothing? I've already agreed to pledge 6.5M coins for dev fund and it's just a start. I have no problems with giving away millions for people who deserve it, but I won't sell a single coin for someone like you.

WTB 20 million Qora, for 4 BTC (@ 20 satoshi)

Consider thread with escrow https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=613750.msg6795226#msg6795226

Hey, you're not ignoring me (and your 70 sat sale claim does look bogus) so that's two strikes against you :)

Seriously, I am contributing in two ways.

1- trying to convince buyers not to freak out in a panic buy and bid up the price NOW that will result in volatility and a probable crash down the track
2- help to keep the price low to spread adoption, grow the community, and help Qora succeed

Look at the experience of NXT. Bounties don't work that well to get things done compared to people working to increase the value of a stake THEY bought at a good price. I'll give you an example.

Early NXt history, some whales paid bounties to lots of guys (dec 2013) who they hoped would stick around, but many of those guys didn't have big enough personal stake, so what did they do? Utopianfuture comes along (who didn't have a big enough stake either) and starts NEM out of frustration, and most of his NEM dev team were cherry picked from early NXT dev guys who must have found dev bonuses weren't enough to keep them working on NXT. Go look at the history. Jaguar, main NEM dev and most of his crew were paid reasonable bounties, and then took off to start NEM. If UP & Jaguar and the other guys had bought more NXT they would have been motivated to stay working on NXT (maybe).

How did the NXT dev situation resolve itself? The price of NXT fell so low that the guys who were working on NXT could BUY a bigger stake (or some were given them as gifts I presume), so they had a personal incentive to work on NXT full-time. Jean-Luc, lead NXT dev who took over from BCNext is a 50 million NXT guy. If you don't have a dev of his quality in the 150 guys from the IPO, then who takes over from Qora dev, or at least helps him? That guy needs a big stake (bounties don't work), and he can't buy a big one if you guys make it impossible.

The point is a low price at the start serves many functions, and if you ignore that a Qora clone will kill Qora MK1 within a few weeks of source code release.

Call me troll if you want, but the buyers reading this will understand, and plenty of stakeholders who are happy to sell 25% of their holding for a x20 return, and then make a killing on the remaining 75%, will understand too. Don't kill the golden goose before it has a chance to lay some golden eggs.

Don't give away Qora, sell it cheap now, create a community, attract quality dev's who buy up a nice juicy stake, and then push the marketcap steadily up over 6-9 months.


Now, please go back to ignoring me  ... I'm just a troll trying to spoil the party :)

Waiting for my embarrassment? ::)
Still no feel any fear ;)

WTB 3M Qora for 10K NXT

PM me

That's great that you're not embarrassed to admit you paid 70! Well done!

Now, how to prove that you really did a real transaction and not a staged one (you might have, but then again you could just be a stooge).

One guy owning up to a bad buy doesn't change the landscape - BUYERS MARKET, as long as most buyers don't loose their nerve.

Me, I'm after the best deal I can get, and I bet you 10 bitcoins I get a better deal than 70 within 7 days.

All this bickering... I think the price should be this. I think it should be that... wah wah wah I can't wait until there's a proper exchange setup and the market will just decide what it's worth.  If 100 is too expensive, don't buy. If 10 is too cheap don't sell.  It's that simple, sooner or later someone will. Y'all are like a bunch of children.

I want to buy Qora for 10 BTC. offer me good deals per PM!

I'm trying to persuade buyers to work together to get a better deal, and prevent this coin from pricing itself into a later crash.

Your post has no point, and offers nothing, and was really very boring ... but I can use it to press my case again :)

THIS IS A BUYERS MARKET.

DON'T PANIC BUY

If everyone makes an offer of 40 satoshi or less who will blink first? The sellers, coz they need buyers to grow from a very small 137.

Simple!

@jman887854, please make another pointless post asap so I can reply and do my stump speech again! I'm like an irritating politician who's 'on message'

BUYERS MARKET ... WORK TOGETHER .... GET A BETTER PRICE  ..... GROW A BIGGER COMMUNITY

Vote 1 .... BUYERS MARKET HERE :)

another bunch of coins to sell at 50 satoshi price . 1.5 million of them, will trade for equivalent in NXT. Bitcoins trade volume has been looking like shit for the last 3 days Dark coin has had better volume  

WTS 3m qora, 40 satoshi each.

[WTS]  63 / 20,000,000 Qora / 12.6 btc / you send first
maybe discount if you take all.
my Reputation thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=392559.new#new

Hello Qura Founders,  be fair to another Trader, if you dont distribute your coin to other with a akzeptabel price than the coin will dieing faster as you could look. Other who buys a coin at 25@satoshi or higher , take a big risk.

Think smart and be fair like the NXT holders in the beginning. You have to distribute your coins, you will still have good return.

I would buy each Qora for 25@satoshi.

Regards  :)

WTS 2M - 1.2BTC
PM me

WTB 50M, PM your best offer.

WTB 10 million Qora at 25 satoshi

WTB 28 million  Qora @ 35 satoshis.

WTS
Over 1M — 100 satoshi
Over 5M — 80 satoshi
Over 10M — 70 satoshi
Over 20M — 60 satoshi

WTB 26 sato

The OTC exchange has opened up with some big trades @35 - HALF THE PRICE YOU PAID (assuming you did really pay 70 satoshi)

I'd say the market will move to 25 or below today, so if you take my advice and hold out you can still reduce your average cost to something less embarrassing than 70.

If you genuinely are not troubled by paying more than double what you could have, please consider sending all your bitcoins to a charity. I'm sure they can spend your money more wisely than you!

Why pay double like saamxx!

Think, BUYERS MARKET

Hypothetical time!

Can a coin with 137 initial founders survive if the SELLERS conspire to restrict supply to push up prices - not likely, SCAM SCAM SCAM

Can a coin survive if the BUYERS conspire to bid low, be patient, and wait for sellers to appear cashing in x20 return - YES YES YES (that's good business sense)

Buyers, join my open & public campaign to restrict ALL bids to under 40 satoshi for the good of Qora!

Save money, and save Qora at the same time - prevent a bubble and subsequent crash down the road.

Vote 1 - BUYERS MARKET

both is equally wrong. Now pls stfu, most people think you are annoing.

How about that. A month from now we'll have coins distributed between devs who are working on a blockexplorer/great website/mobile wallet and marketing guys, Qora goes to Bter, Dgex and Cryptsy and hit 300-500 satoshi. Will you be able to troll thousands users of exchanges like you're doing it now?

And you have to wait for that for a month.
The money is not available to the investor and he might want to cash out something at the moment.

I had no problem cashing out a good amount of my coins to have free money for other projects.
Sometimes you don't have the time to wait a month....

Btw:
The both of you are doing a great show! I'm wondering to see where the price finally settles.

I'm just saying it'll better to give away 50% coins for development/marketing and sell the rest 50% at 100 satoshi when we're on Bter than dump all 100% coins at 25 satoshi now and had no progress in development and marketing. People like Attack.of.the.Clones don't care about Qora, distibution etc. All they want is to troll and FUD, buy cheap coins and dump with some profit.

I'm sure we will see him againg later with red graphics and posts like "OMG!!! It's crushing as I predicted a month ago!!! Dump before it's too late!!!".

Think! Read the Qora thread and the sellers are discussing for weeks how they wont sell under XXX and how they'll all be rich, and Qora dev is BCNext, so it's NXT part 2. That's the sellers move to push the price up. I'm pushing the other way.

Did you tell those sellers to stfu?

ignore me, coz if you tell me to stfu I'll reply and get another chance to state the fucking obvious - BUYERS MARKET

some buyers are inexperienced, or stupid, and will be like the guy who paid 70 when he could have paid 35 - LIKE YOU WANT TO

I thought you were experienced at this game - if you get annoyed don't say it - go back to trading school twin (I think you're secretly trying to suck up to these 137 guys for a good deal - that's smart, you're not a dummy :) )

I'll bet you 5 bitcoins more people agree with me than you - I think most buyers will be on my side, and in 6 months 90% of the Qora holders will thank me if they get to buy at 25-40, and not 100. Make a bet with me, - annoying or not i'm effective - OTC exchange price is 35

it's nothing to do with being annoying, or right and wrong - it's about getting the best price you can

you want 35, and if all the buyers don't stop and think there could be a panic buy at 100

be professional twin (I really think you're positioning for a good insider deal)

By the way. I checked Attack.of.the.Clones's posts. He's just someone's sockpuppet created to have additional stakes in NEM, NEX, NXTL.

No of course not lol - obviously the only time to have a buyer conspiracy is right now when all trades are OTC on this forum, that's why I'm going all out NOW - in about 72 hours the chance is gone, so the time to push the limits of my campaign is TODAY

hey man, if some poor bugger pays you 100 sats today, and the price drops to 25 later, he wont like you for it, and so your ability to be a leader of Qora community will suffer

100 sats is against your interests

I thought you wanted to be the 'klee' of Qora - he never gouged the first wave of guys, so he has good respect from everyone

consider this dzarmush, I think I've helped push the price down to 35, not your 100 - I've been annoying you, but making most buyers happy.

Current buyers will be cheering me on, not you, and the current wave of buyers will become the Qora community early adopters - so that means I might end up being 'Qora Klee', and we'll be on the same team later haha

pushing for opening price of 100 satoshi has damaged your ability to be a leader of this community IMO. Not smart!

he's an experienced investor of capitalist coin IPO, xcoin IPO, maidsafe IPO and chancecoin. Just lock this thread and use selfmoderation, these forum trolls are disgusting

Wut :) Just check WTS offers. Do you see any below 50 satoshi? Actually I'm the only one who sells at the moment. Everybody else is holding and don't want to sell even at 100 satoshi. You're clown.

Wow that´s sick,

as far as I know, the investors got 80,000,000 Qora für 1 BTC.
If they sell it for 50 Satoshi, they receive 40 BTC. so a multiplier of 40

Did I make a mistake?

What's wrong with that? Everybody who risked and invested in Qora IPO will have a good profit, no secrets there. But also everybody who buys now at 50-100 satoshi will have a great profit also, x5-x10 at least. If I would bitching about Nxt initial investors profit I'd never buy some Nxt and never would be able to invest in Qora. So instead of counting another people money you'd better thing about your own opportinities.

Also you have any idea how much money IPO investors lose in other IPOs and just bad trades? That's how it works. You lose 30 btc in Edge, Nxn, Nfd, Storagecoin, Visacoin but if you're lucky enough to invest in the right coin you finally have a chance to cover all your losses and have 10 btc profit after all.