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Hello bitcointalk.org community.

I am here to offer you my service which contain exchanging YOUR PAYPAL CASH for my BITCOINS.

Yes you're reading right,i'm offering you this rare service.

You may ask why I would do that? Its so risky for my side and I can get easily scammed?

I am taking few security steps with each customer and I have my own process of making this deal without risking both sides.

All I can say is that some dumb scammers wont even get near my bitcoins, so dont even try.

Also I am only taking "mid-big" orders so I can get something out of this too. Minimum I would say is 50 coins worth of money(mtgox rate), ofcourse more you pay with PayPal more willing I am to make a deal with you.

If you're thinking why you should trust me? Well pretty logic is that PayPal is reversable payment within 30 days chargeback itself or 180 days if you're paying me with card,and I will be paying you with noreversable bitcoins.

If you have any more questions feel free to send me PM or email tentypmes@hotmail.com

Best Regards,
dareq

How do you plan to get around the fact that as soon as PayPal finds out what you are doing they will shut you down and freeze your account for six months or more?

If no one will chargeback money then they will no start investigation about my income. And if they do, I can always make fresh account or borrow one from my friend or family.

I am looking forward to deal only with legit people so if I see anything fishy in your person then I call off deal immediately.

What are you trying to make me understand?

I am offering my service and I dont really care about others because I have my own way of securing myself from being scammed from others or having my PayPal blocked. Nearest future will prove if I am right or not.

I dont need your advices,if you don't want to buy my service then leave my thread alone,or at very least you can PM me these things instead of posting here.

Hope you can understand,no offense talk here :)

Also i have evaluated risk and I know what i'm doing, just incase anyone wonders.

I can start this of, I only have 22$ though in my paypal currently.
Can you do small order?

My OTC rating is in my signature

Sorry mate but I am not doing small orders atm because

1st) : it doesnt count for me and I get barely something out of this.

2nd) : I am only one taking risk here and more transactions I make = more likely PayPal will ask for documentation of transactions or something like this,that's why I prefer to do one big transaction than 5 small one's. I hope you can understand my concern.

OK then, I will bite, what is your minimum order size and what is your current price?

But selling at mtgox rate, how do you make profit?

Sorry guys but I am not gonna answer questions like "how are you making profit" , I just do and that matters for me,you dont need to be concerned about that.

Like I said,minimum order for now would be 50 coins worth of money ( 212$ usd,lets say I can take 47 coins for 200$ minimum order.)

This is for now for first transactions,then I will make it bigger - propably like 80-100 coins.

Good, will contact you.

New poster, no OTC or transaction history, and you are sending him $212 ?
Good luck with that.

PM sent

PP is safe for the buyer, not so safe for the seller.

Don´t count on that, if PP knows you are buying coins.

Please give me a ref to a thread where a PP buyer lost their money.  We both know there are many where the seller lost a lot but I have never seen a buyer lose.

Volume....duh.

Bro, only trying to prevent you a loss, I smell something fishy on seller.
And Paypal may behave in oddly ways. Just ask seller to make transaction in 2 or 3 parts.

I already said that I am not taking small orders because more transactions I make the more PayPal suspicious may become and ask me for documentation of my sellings which I cannot obviously provide.

That's why I will be changing PayPal accounts from time to time + taking other steps to secure myself as seller.

Don't say you're feeling something fishy about myself if you havent even spoke with me before because that's kinda pathetic.

I'm with you!!  :D

let's see how it plays out...

Still waiting for more offers! Buy it guys as its hot deal for all people.

But min amount is 50 BTC kinda makes me suspicious.

Do I need to repeat third time in row why I am not accepting low amounts? just look up and you'll see reason and why this is not suspicious.

This looks fishy.

Very likely he's using stolen PP accounts.

-Charlie

The reason you gave doesn't make any sense.
The only savings you will get from lager amounts is the $0.30 base fee.

He's selling bitcoins.

The reason I gave all of you makes sense,if you cant understand it then you're propably brain disabled,sorry to say.

And my profit is noone of your guys concerns, i am making profit out of this,otherwise I wouldnt be making this exchange point,sorry to hurt your feelings.

>not giving valid responses when asked valid questions
>insults other forum members for questioning his legitimacy
you're not making yourself look good, just saying.

also, on the topic of "making a profit":
Paypal fees
$20 order:
$0.30+2.9% = $0.88 total fee
$10000 order:
$0.30+2.9% = $290.30 total fee

But any person with a brain will realize that the only savings you're getting by doing larger transactions is saving the $0.30 base fee, otherwise, the 2.9% is fixed no matter what. So why would anyone want to do transactions in large amounts? Scamming sounds a valid reason. Larger transactions = bigger returns, because you can't scam a lot of people with the same account.

How exactly is he making a profit? I can already think of 2 ways. The first is the obvious "you send paypal first", and the run away with the money, preferably after buying a boatload of stuff on ebay. The second way is probably to launder his "dirty" bitcoins.

I will be no getting any profit at all if I do 10 small transactions instead of 1 big and I'll get account suspended when I do 10 small transactions in row.

My profit from that deal is still my concern and I dont see why do you care? Like anybody in the world cares if someone makes profit when he's buying any stuff lol,you're weird.

I am not scammer,because how I can scam you when you're paying me with reversable paypal and i will be paying you with noreversable bitcoins? just answer me that if you're so smart my friend.

already did.

run away with money,yea right,buy stuff on ebay,if it was that easy people would be making millions already and be uncatchable - you forgot one thing - paypal does something called negative balance and reverve all payments if they're fishy or if they get chargebacked,so i'm left with nothing or negative balance which will be chased by debt collectors obviously.

Laundering dirty bitcoins? That's new thing to me,like there wasnt bitcoin launders where you can put your bitcoins and launder it thousand times for 5% fee and get clear bitcoins and dont do what I do.

Because if something is too easy for you to understand then there must be a snag right? Well, there isnt any snag,just pure service which I want to provide, how hard is that to understand?

Buying/selling makes no difference, using a stolen account can benefit both ways.

He has Bitcoins and needs to get cash for them, he needs 2-3 stolen/hacked paypal accounts to launder it.

I've seen this dozens of times. Its probably why he gets so defensive when we ask him about his profit / why.

For example, we had a someone email us at BitInstant the other day:


I always operate under "If they have to initially defend themselves, they are usually lying"  

See my point?


The data is just overwhelming lol

I was doing that service in my local range,i tried to do it "underground" on TOR forums but too many scammers there and people trying to use stolen paypal,that's why I am gonna try to do this service here and see if I can get this going by long term.

Seriously guys,if you don't want to use my service, just don't. I will not cry,many interest people and I will surely have a first transaction going tommorow, pretty sure.

I am trying to defend myself because I dont want to get to scam someone and get lost, im trying to do this by long term and you guys are not helping me at all with this.

I am not gonna tell you about my profit because that's not how things are done my friend, you go to store and ask "how you making profit,how much,where do you get your stuff,can i get contact list" because if I say one thing then people will want more and finally start realising how I'm working and can do it by themselves. I want to avoid this.

If you have anymore questions feel free to PM me, dont need to spam my thread,people want to make transactions,not read your useless questions.

And we go to point where I am securing myself from being scammed, and even if I do get scammed,then you will regret it. That's all I am going to say.

Still waiting for more offers,keep coming!

Please don't take this personally, we vet every new seller on this forum. Unfortunately this forum has seen its fair share of scams and its our responsibility to protect our fellow bitcoiners.  


That logic makes no sense. You can walk into any store and understand how the store makes a profit. Its the essence of a market economy.

What your doing is basically loosing money. If you saw a guy selling real Gucci handbags on the street, wouldnt you first assume its stolen?

If you cant stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.



Now he is threatening, thats another sign of a scammer btw.

dareq you take us for fools, this isnt our first rodeo my friend.

This is not street,and I am not selling Gucci, you cant get your money back from guy who sells you gucci,and here you can get your money back so your argument is very invalid.

You can try to understand how my profit works,but I am not gonna tell you how it does,you can figure it out by yourselves,use brain and its pretty much clear.

"Now he is threatening, thats another sign of a scammer btw.

dareq you take us for fools, this isnt our first rodeo my friend."

You are again not understanding what I am saying,don't you?

I am threating a scammer because there are plenty of those and I am aware of that,if someone scams me then he can be sure that I am not the one who lost money. that's all

Everything I wanted to say about my exchange was already said I think. but I will repeat once more.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO USE MY SERVICE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO,BUT DON'T CALL ME SCAMMER/FISHY IF I HAVENT SCAMMED ANYBODY NOR YOU HAVE ANY VALID ARGUMENTS BEYOND THAT (gucci argument made my day btw)

Not answering any more questions in this topic,if you have SERIOUS question about me then I am free to answer it on PM

Can you send first, considering we have good reputations over here and been around for long time, with numerous successful trades?

Dude, your getting to emotional here. Did you not see what I wrote earlier?


You sent me this PM, and I will respond here:


Again, your taking this way to personally. Take a breather, have a cigarette and come back when you want to chat.

I thought you were joking and after all you'd want to make real transaction,but if you really wanted to scam me then its attempted scamming and you should be banned right away,so either decide = you were irony or you really wanted to do something like this.

And if you really think I'd take 10.000$ usd from you, then you must be crazy my friend :D

There is a way of preventing myself from being scammed, maybe not in 100% but pretty sure I can eliminate 90% of scammers and these 90% are idiot ones. rest 10% are professional scammers and I have suprise ready for them when they finally scam me because yes I cant prevent getting scammed by professionals and nobody else could. but I highly doubt that anyone like that will contact me in nearest future so, you can only wish me bona fortuna :)

Well in that case I wouldnt,but doubtfully that professional scammers will risk their time for amounts like this,and I will not accept from nobody 10.000$ amount, highest I will accept is 800$-1000$ each time to prevent myself from high lost. but that won't happen anyway so, we'll see who was right :)

You will have a chance to see how it goes, as soon as I get my first customer which shouldnt take very long considering that my service is dream for scammers right?:)

Are you willing to send first, at least, to members with good rep..?


I despise scammers and trolls alike..

Wow..


And sorry for the spam OP, PM me your answer..

I will trade PPUSD 100 for BTC 24. You send bitcoins first. You pay the fees.

I dunno what you are up to, but it smells.

Hmmm...

dareq- it's like this old sport... when something sounds too good to be true, it is. Pure and simple. There is no magic method to insure that either party is not getting scammed when PP is involved, because the PP system itself is nothing but a massive scam, with fees that are 3X what the going rate is for simple clearance of funds already held on account.

And with all due respect- you don't have a warehouse full of magic beans that allow you to create bitcoins out of nothing, so you either mine or buy, just like everyone else, and that means your model doesn't work economically. Anyone asking for your methodology is looking to be able to suss your numbers to see where the flaw is, because, I assure you, there is a flaw. Nobody goes into the business of losing money as a public service out of the goodness of their hearts. To think that anyone would believe otherwise is foolish at best.

And please be honest with yourself about this community- you must have spent some time lurking and studying who is here, right? Did you think that this was a group of willing sheep willing to believe fairy tales? Hardly. If you are being honest about trying to do this exchange first through Tor and Silk Road, then you are familiar with healthy skepticism. You should not be surprised to find the same here. This community is extremely conversant in economics, tech, and scammish ways, an no amount of righteous indignation or churlish threats will cower anyone into accepting ridiculous claims.

If you find a taker for your offer, and I highly suspect you won't, then one of you will be a victim within days. That's a lock as a bet. You have offers on the table- look at psy- $100 USDPP for 24 btc. Take it.

This is ridiculous, just like Mr Coins who I verbally raped a month before they got shut down warning them their business model was doomed and all the while they kept me "Just because it didn't work for YOU, doesn't mean it won't work for me! I'm a professional business man herp derp anything I do will succeed herp derp*"

(*Went out of business a few weeks later as their google checkout and paypal accounts got shut down)

Naivety is king in Bitcoin. Just let him get horribly scammed and learn the hard way.

No sorry LoupGaroux, but I reserved my right to decline any customer if I dont feel he's right in my gut. and I dont want his offer.

I am healthy stepticism, I just found out something about PayPal that 95% people doesnt know and I'll be using it in my transactions to ensure that I am safe. Believe it or not,i dont really give a single care, sorry m8.

Sounds too good to be true - yes that's right,but I cant really seem to fit it here since you're guys one who are paying me with REVERSABLE money and you are getting paid with NOREVERSABLE money. sorry mate, your argument is just invalid.


PP itself is not a scam itself,noone of my friend had problems with them since they created their accounts many years ago, ofc maybe their system is a bit too paranoid but what ya gonna do? I do use PayPal and wont stop use it.

Maybe there's a flaw in my system, but that won't stop me from giving it a try and finding it out by myself,you don't need to assure me million times that I can get scammed - no shit sherlock?

I am not going into business of losing money as a public serve - I am pretty sure that 1 out of 10 my transactions MAY turn out as a scammer,not more and I can still prevent that if I am smart enough. Maybe it's hard to believe, but you'll see it as soon as I get my first customers.

Ridiculous claims? seriously mate,just because I offer very rare service, doesnt mean I am automatically scam

OH WAIT,I AM OFFERING THAT KIND OF EXCHANGE IN WAY THAT BUYER CANNOT BE SCAMMER - yes that's right,buyer cannot be scammed in any possible way,except that he is total idiot and created paypal yesterday.

You seriously just made me LOL real hard. Your naive passion is kind of cute hahahaa

We'll see who's got naive passion within few days. ;)

Will I be banned or scammer labeled if I totally bankrupt this newb?

Hey OP, I'll buy 100 BTC from you right now through paypal.

Easy money.



Yea. Right. You must be new to think that we're not the 5%.

You know what, your right. Let's give this a try.

I have $30.00 in my PayPal account, whats your account? Ill send it right now.

My BTC address is 1BXcEHsaV1qPHTLj2jjLW8Tr9z37szPe3t

Pussy. Make it $300. I'm going to take him for purchase through his services the sum of $500 for starters.

So dareq- why not step and take these offers?

Looks like you have at least $750 in legitimate offers to trade with some very respected names in this community. What say you now Mr. I Am Smarter Than The Internet? Does your super secret money making plan actually work or are you just so much hot air?

I bet I know what OP's "big secret" is.

• You send Paypal money to dareq
• Dareq instructs you to file a claim on it and then cancel that claim
• Once cancelled, claims can never be reinstated for the same transaction
• Dareq sends the bitcoins

This does actually work per Paypal's TOS as far as securing against any paypal fund reversals in the future (more or less), but that doesn't stop payments from being reversed by accounts where the buyer is using a stolen credit card. If the card is stolen, the seller is taking all the risk. If the card is legit, the buyer is taking all of the risk.

Irregardless, once Paypal finds out that the OP is selling currencies through Paypal which is against their TOS, the slightest account hiccup or anonymous tip to them that garnishes a look into what he's selling will end up in full account lockdown just like Mr Coins and every other big-mouthed overly cocky jerkwad newbie who thought they knew more about Paypal than people who run financial services.

OP is teetering on the thin line between ignorant soon-to-be-bankrupted-business owner and outright scammer.

Anyone care to bet which side he falls on, or alternatively bet on him violently flopping between the two?

I place 1 bitcoin on "bankrupt".

This thread is lol  :-X

Why don't you take my offer? Not good enough for you? Is my reputation bad in your eyes?

At least you could answer, even if it was a NO! But no, as a good stupid businessman someone had to ask you why didn't you took my offer for you to say you wouldn't.

GTFO scammer.

I'm not doing it way "Boss" told,im not asking for any claim and cancel claim or whatever.. so no,you're not smart mr I know everything.

I dont accept these offers because you guys cant clearly read,I already stated my rules and if you're willing to make REAL deal with me,then just pm me and we'll discuiss details there,not over my thread, sorry.


I am scammer? How coming? How I am able to scam you if you're paying me with PayPal? Guys seriously decide because all I can see you're just bunch of flamed haters who cant get into their minds that someone MAY found out way to deal with paypal pretty safe and do it safe for both parts. NOW YOU ARE GODS OF INTERNET AND KNOW EVERYTHING I FORGOT.

that was my really last post towards your concerns about me,now i'll be just bumping neither I am answering any offers here. sorry ;)

bump!

Just tell me HOW can I scam someone? explain me that. I am not asking to wire me any money via western union or other shit.

Explain me how I can actually scam someone? oh wait you cant because I cant scam anybody. : - (

Guilty until proven innocent? It doesnt work that way.
Innocent until proven guilty - that's how it works everywhere,so get your mind straight.

Good morning, I'm giving you a REAL offer, I just SENT you this PM:



He replied,



Dude, your crazy if you think I'm going t send you $500.00. Let me test you with $30.00

Anyway., you replied....


Thats the end of my no-sale. fyi for everyone

-Charlie

First of all,I cannot understand how someone can be so stupid to msg me with an offer without even properly reading what I wrote.

I clearly said that I do not accept small orders and WHY I am doing that. You guys are seriously pathetic and cant think outside of box.

I never said 500$ amount, dunno where did you get it from.

If you cant accept someone's rules, then dont think that other party will do otherwise ;)

GL!

If you take 1 second to stop the personal attacks on me (which isnt helping your case either)

I clearly wrote why I'm not gonna send $200.00 to a complete stranger.

If you cant understand that, your not gonna get much business.

P.S. By putting smileys like  ;) :D and  :) its not gonna remove the sarcasm and frustration in your writing. You must take us for complete fools if you think we cannot read between the lines.

Good day sir.

Good day to you too,waiting for more offers :)

I said GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR!!!!

Ho, ho, ho. His super secret business plan is finally revealed!!! His is going to open his business, arrogantly tell all comers to go stuff themselves and then wait for the customers to come to him.

[facepalm] Why didn't I think of a brilliant idea like that?

Need I say more?

I think he's just being "careful" and underestimating how careful Joshua of AccessCoin.com was as well (who had an elaborate and elegant system of facebook profile researching etc before allowing a sale) by thinking he "can't" be scammed.

I wish him luck with his unprofitable and extremely high risk venture.

Again I am saying, this thread is lol  :-X

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Of course nobody can use a stolen PayPal account or credit card the morning of the next business day, especially not without sending an email from the PayPal account in consideration.

Well, I for one feel better that this shrewd businessman is on top of things. Przykręć wasza Matka! To zwolnienie.

My business plan:
1. Buy a credit card off the black market
2. offer to buy 100 bitcoins
3. use paypal checkout (so no need to register, nor do i need verification) to send the money
4. fill in owner's details because the goods are electronic anyways
5. get bitcoins
6. rinse and repeat


thanks for this awesome secret! ;D

Guys, I think he's gone.

Another scam prevented! Yay  ;D

I am gone? where because I cant see? I am still offering my service and I dont care what haters are saying.

Yankee my mate you still havent proven me how I am able to scam anybody,still waiting for that although!

You are still not willing to make a deal.

$100 = 24BTC

take it or leave it.
If you were serious you would profit from my offer. heck, even if you were planning to scam you could take advantage of the deal. Serve me good and scam the next 2 or 3 "customers".
But your lack of action to take an offer for half of "your minimum", being it the your first deal and being myself somewhat trusted(haven't scammed), makes me think that you are both a lousy businessman and/or a lousy scammer.

Your inaction is all the proof they need...

I place another on "paypal worker"



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He already admitted that he might incur a 10% fraud rate.  So if you are running a business with a potential 10% loss right off the top you need to make sure you are at least making 10% on the 90% of the transaction that you do that are legit.

He is most likely just fishing for a sucker that he can take their paypal and string them along.  He might also send an empty box with a signature required to the person that buys his coins, that way he will be covered with seller protection.  The problem with that business model is it only works once before paypal shuts you down.

I've mainly stopped using online forums - especially those that allowed posters to hide behind the anonymity of nicks. They invariably decline into a huge circle jerk as denizens try to out-do each other in whatever passes for plumage displays.

5 pages of posts and only one offer that met the OP's stated minimum terms (and that offer states an intent to scam him). Allow 1 page to establish those terms.

I'm not saying the OP is legit, but this topic is anti-LOL, it's a frustrating pubescent wank.

You all gang up making unwelcome offers and then tease the OP that he should accept your out-of-spec deals. Finally you "nyah-nyah-nyah" him about ignoring time-wasting crap.

You want to impress me or save other bitcoiners? Make 5 concise in-spec offers that he ignores, then you can claim he's fishing for fools.

Better yet if you are so smart - state you'll do the deal and review the process. You don't have to reveal his secret sauce, but if you think it's flawed and the service wont last, say so after you've seen it.

If it all smells too fishy, say that and stop trolling the damn topic.

/lurk mode resumed

That's what i did.

Seems like you are new here. There is a good year's worth of precedent where EVERYONE gets fucked by paypal. So suddenly some guy with no rep and very poor grammar has solved what thousands of brilliant minds have failed to conquer, and refuses to share his method? Must be santa...must be santa...must be santa, santa clause...

Wow, we done got served.

I guess it would be nothing more than crass peacockery to point out that Brother paulzag is essentially the same vintage as Good Samaritan dareq. Sorry kids but three and half weeks of lurkage does not make you smarter than the average bear.

There are legit offers that meet OP's somewhat transient criteria. In fact there are flat out statements begging him to rip some posters off, and a willingness to test his methods.

But, yes, this is filthy fishy.

Przykręć wasza Matka! To zwolnienie.

I am refusing to share my method to get "very smalll profit" for now and you can be sure that i'll be getting alot more profit once I get reputation ? Seriously guys, only people who got run by car could told you how they are making their money. You think I am that stupid and I would be doing this if I wasnt sure what I was doing? Very poor grammar - oh wait I'm from poland,english isnt my first language so I am not speaking perfect, sorry for that. Highly doubt that anyone got problem with reading my posts.

I am santa, I am santa, I am santa! take my santa offer :(

Let's take a look at your business model for a second without any personal insults or questions of intelligent/maturity:

You want to sell Bitcoins through Paypal.

That's against Paypal's TOS and they will lock your accounts, successfully make it impossible to use paypal for any transactions (including deposits to your own bank account for the bitcoins you sold).

You want to sell Bitcoins starting at a large amount only, as a newbie to the forums that no one knows.

This means that the very first person who does business with you is running the risk of you sending them absolutely nothing.

You want to sell wait a day or so to make sure the payment is 'legit'.

Payment legitimacy has nothing to do with anything. For 120 days after, someone can still reverse their payment to you. The only reason this wouldn't be a direct issue for you is if you're using throwaway/stolen accounts to scam with.

You claim you want to sell Bitcoins, but have ignored (and insulted the offering parties) every offer of purchase you have so far.

Only outright scams would be afraid of having someone like Charlie or I use their services to 'test' them.



Regardless of what people are saying about you, your 'business' is not trustworthy and never will be so long as you keep trying to run it like this. Speaking of risk assessments, there is actually less chance of getting burned by BitScalper than by you at this point.

Guys, isn't it obvious after he stated he will wait 1 day after receiving funds? He's using a stolen Paypal account. As soon as you pay him, he withdraws the money (and for this he needs some time, hence the day wait) and never sends you any bitcoins. The customer reverses the paypal payment, leaving the stolen paypal account with a negative balance. Now the real owner of the account is screwed.

Bottomline, stay away. He's losing _at least_ 10% on every trade due to fraud, and there's no reason he wouldn't be using a convenient exchange which already have plenty of withdraw options if he wants dollars for his BTC. If he can sell 1 BTC at an exchange for 4,30$ each, there's no way in hell he can agree to 4,30 each through paypal, because of fraud and fees alone. Even without those 2 points it makes no sense not to use an exchange.

Just let this thread die!

dareq, I have a very simple question:  where do you get your BTC that you want to sell?

First of all, I cant withdraw money within 1 day.
Second - How I would be able to withdraw money to my bank account if it was stolen paypal account if name/address/country doesnt match? Are you really that stupid or just trying to be? because what are you saying is impossible to do stuff.

This thread wont die because I aint going anywhere, you can be sure of that.

Bump to the top! For the greater justice.

I just don't understand what your game is. You're not even willing to sell to anyone. What exactly are you selling anyway?

Read my first post and you may know what i'm exchanging,if not then you should get back to school as soon as possible, I'm afraid.

Just answer the guys question, jeez. Everything you say is 'Read my first post' !

We've all read your first post. By now it has already become a meme on another forum.

The question is, "What are you selling?" because it's obviously not Bitcoins. Everyone has already offered to buy and you've ignored them, turned them down, insulted them and basically continued on a shpeel about how you have it figured out. You're obviously not here to sell anything or else you'd be selling to the people who have already said they'd buy.

Only few people contacted me on PM so far,they expect me to go first and some people thinks i'll make a trade with them for 3 or 5 coins. I already said that I am not going to do that.

You want your future customers to PM you. That's totally understandable. Okay so when the customers PM you, how come you don't sell them bitcoins straight away? Is it part of your "get to know people to make sure they are not scammers" period to talk to them first? Usually when selling something requires PMing + dialogue, someone is trying to get you to join their religion.

Someone sends me a PM with serious offer - I send pm back as soon as I can with my conditions and how my exchanger works. If they want to pass - they do, if they want to buy - they do. Easy as that.

Ok, lets save some time here.

What are the conditions of your offer?


Of course we expect you to go first! You have 41 posts and registered like yesterday! No one knows who you are!

Yes, I dont think any1 will go first with dareq.

@Yankee - Sent you PM

that method will not work mister, i tell you. paypal will leave your account with negative balance in case you get a charge-back. You have two options then, continue to get funds and pay the debt with them or make a new account altogether including the bank account. This method has already been tried by others before and if it's not the one you're using please excuse me, but is the only one that explains the big amount you are willing to trade.

I am not using that amount. and if you don't want to go first - noone makes you to, i'll just wait till someone decides to do that first step since he's not risking anything and i'll get more customers on frequently basis.

going first, even with paypal is pretty risky. especially if you tell the buyer to start a dispute and cancel it.

Ok, let me satisfy your requirements

PM = Sent
Minimum = $500, ready when you are
Sending you Paypal first = Sounds good, ok lets do it.

Seems like my only concern is your using a stolen paypal account, which I wont be able to get my money back if you dont send me the BTC.

To satisfy my fear and continue this transaction, I request the following from you:

1. Which Paypal account am I sending the funds to?
2. Can you send me an email, from the same email address on the paypal account?
3. The name on the account- Can you send me a copy of your ID that matches the account? (I am CEO of Bitinstant, LLC a corporation in New York, USA. My name is Charlie Shrem and I can easily be summoned to court if you think I am stealing from you)

I am willing to pay a higher fee for your troubles.

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If you deny doing what I asked for, your basically admitting that the account is not in your name and its not your account.

Response?

You havent sent me any PM right now and dont post offers here in public,just do it in PM. I'm not gonna fake anymore for these "provocate offers" so you can only more flame in my thread. and I am able to do what you asked.

As one guy before me said, you guys gang me up making unwelcome offers and calling me scammer and trying to prove me that I am wrong (You Guys Know Everything And You Cant Be Wrong) and then make me "real offer" just trying to prove me again that I am wrong and I must be scammer,no other fucking way meanwhile buyer cant be scammed in my exchange. You guys are just trying to reach something that wont happen because buyer cant get scammed and everyone knows how paypal works is pretty 100% sure that.

I am not gonna accept offers from people who firstly make several posts or pm's about me being scammer and talking bullshit about my service and then trying to buy something and prove how legit they are. I reserve right to decide whom I want to sell my bitcoins, sorry.

If this bullshit posts are gonna keep continue, I have already contacted administrator and he told me to make new thread with local rules so I will be finally to stop this spam.

waiting for offers.

I just sent you a PM.

So basically, your telling me you wont send me what I asked for?

If you could read what I said in my 2/3 previous posts then you would realise that I am not trying to hide myself or nothing because I'm more than wiilingness to provide with any info that proves I am original owner of account ( I can even do phone call ), I just wont accept offers from people like you, who firsts posts some idiot images and says "another scam prevented" and then magically realises that they may be able to make some money off me or whatever, and wanting to make a deal with me (which wouldnt happen anyway as if I'd provide you with proof you would just make some other excuse like im going on vacation brb 2 weeks like some guy did to me to avoid getting himself called as waste timer).

I just sent you email to support@bitinstant.com , my paypal email is same and you can check that I am verified.

It's just to prove you that you get off my back, I dont want to make any deal with you, sorry. if you wasnt so ironic and fragile against my person then we would surely had a deal.

Buyer sends paypal to you. You don't send coins. You spend money from Paypal Debit card. Rinse Repeat.

There, I just gave you a way how the buyer can be scammed. Next?

I am from Paypal. PayPal Debit card is not allowed nor is being sold in my country. you can check that. + you can verify my country by IP address and my address on PayPal.

next? :)

Oooo. He works for Paypal and he's selling something against their TOS. Interesting.

Can we contact Paypal with your name and paypal information and get confirmation so we can quote you and use you as an advertisement for how Paypal employees officially endorse Bitcoin now even though it's against the Paypal TOS?

He's from Planet PayPal?  :o That's wild!  ;D

I dont work for PayPal.

and if you snitch on me, that only means how fucking jealous you are because I have found out very good way of selling via PayPal.

but that really make difference for me, I'll just make new account. :)

Woot, obviously a keyboard error, although my bet was on that  :)

You can look up my name with PayPal and my PayPal account. I am not working for PayPal and have no connections whatsoever with them except that I own an account there.

good luck with that imo, you made my day guys :) seriously, even my dad is laughing :D

Dareq,

How many BTC do you have for sale and how are you obtaining them? 

Whaaa??? Have you lost your marbles? Why would contacting Paypal to confirm your statement be considering "snitching" unless you were lying? Are you lying about something?


o. So the "I am from paypal" part must have been a lapse of judgement then. My---errr..your bad?

Anyway, can I still confirm your account since I am extra super duper careful and never want to get scammed by anyone? Pleasey weezy?

Well, they can just block me for any tip on me like you said, that's why. I'm not hiding anything,do what you want cause pirate is free :)

waiting for more offers!

Let's backtrack a bit.



That reminds me of a similar business model that relies on making new accounts in order to continue selling things.............

You are refusing to deal with one of the most trusted and reputable businessmen on this forum. That alone is enough to say to you, "Fuck off, scammer".


Add your dodgy responses and refusal to interact with respected members who are merely asking what any customer should and I say, "Fuck off, you unskilled scammer."

This is no way to built rapport.

has anyone successfully done business with him yet?

Sorry, but only 2 guys offered me fair deal and one of them is being jerky with me and 2nd one said that he'll wait till I get some more feedback.

Got it, all your just proved is that you own that email.

Can you send me a copy of your ID with the name on that account?

Oh, well then that certainly pegs the needle on the old legitimacy meter. Anybody who contacts you with your special set of rules is somehow unqualified, but only because there is nothing transparent about your dealings?

Really? You can't do better than that? You can't come up with a couple buddies who will shill for you? Fer crissakes man, show some initiative. If you are going to reinvent the scamming wheel, at least use the tools established long ago to get to the first level.

hahahah you just made me laugh  ;D

dareq, seems all you need to do is accept Yankees offer.   Then you have feedback from a reputable member of this forum, and other people will feel more comfortable dealing with you.

I get that you might not want to deal with him if he's pissed you off or whatever, but really you're just hurting yourself.  It comes across like you have something to hide, which for all we know, you do.

Just deal with Yankee, get some feedback under your belt, and off you go.

dareq,

I just hate to see an honest businessman being harassed.  So I have an idea that should prove to everyone here that you are honest and get your business rolling.  My bank, International Bitcoin Moneylender (see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=61756.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=61756.0)) has set up a BTC escrow account for you! 

All you have to do is deposit the BTC you wish to sell into this public escrow account so we can all see that the BTC exist and are ready to be sold.

Then, once someone has gone through your standard procedure to your satisfaction and has paid you using PayPal, you will inform me and I will release the proper amount of BTC to their account.

I have created a vanity account for you at 1DAREq293HBfWCRkJLNgHqs92iMi1C5tR3 (see https://blockexplorer.com/address/1DAREq293HBfWCRkJLNgHqs92iMi1C5tR3 (https://blockexplorer.com/address/1DAREq293HBfWCRkJLNgHqs92iMi1C5tR3))

I have deposited pi (3.14159265) BTC into the account and I will withdraw e (2.71828183) BTC to my personal account at 1BurtWEejbnKeBRsvcydJvsNztB1bXV5iQ in order to prove to everyone that I control the account.  The difference (pi - e) is my gift to you for using my services.

I (actually StrongCoin) will charge you only 1% for each withdraw from the account.

Clean and simple.

Now, how many of you "haters" out there would immediately purchase from dareq if the BTC were all publicly visible and under the control of a trusted banker?

Isn't that an oxymoron?  ::)

Oxymoron.

Fixed, thanks!

Too much spam and flame here, locking topic :)