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I'm pretty annoyed with myself.

Missed nxt.

sent a little bit of money to edgecoin (not much, thank god)

Missed Qora.

got in on the freebie part of eXo, but didn't invest, because I was skeptical

blah.

I've admitted to myself that I can't pick 'em.

So I'm asking you guys, are there any good IPOs going on right now? Why is it a good IPO?

I'm pretty annoyed with myself.

Missed nxt.

sent a little bit of money to edgecoin (not much, thank god)

Missed Qora.

got in on the freebie part of eXo, but didn't invest, because I was skeptical

blah.

I've admitted to myself that I can't pick 'em.

So I'm asking you guys, are there any good IPOs going on right now? Why is it a good IPO?

in Crypto ? nope.

want an IPO then sign up and trade in the REGULATED Stock Exchange(s)

IPO scams have no place in the Altcoin scene ever in any circumstances.
This is an unregulated market and IPO's are not applicable to Crypto period.
You support them ? then your basically saying.. "Hey any good Ponzi Schemes going on ?"  :-\

in Crypto ? nope.

want an IPO then sign up and trade in the REGULATED Stock Exchange(s)

IPO scams have no place in the Altcoin scene ever in any circumstances.
This is an unregulated market and IPO's are not applicable to Crypto period.
You support them ? then your basically saying.. "Hey any good Ponzi Schemes going on ?"  :-\

IPOs are usually bad so no..

But some IPO got huge response and big profit too.

You can make a LOT of btc from any ipo you pick successfully

You missed simcoin too

but

keep an eye on syscoin and crypti

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  + AngelShares and ProtoShares

in Crypto ? nope.

want an IPO then sign up and trade in the REGULATED Stock Exchange(s)

keep an eye on syscoin and crypti

http://getcredits.io/blog/pros-cons-presale/

I missed all the IPOs too or wasn't interested because it's hard to filter out scams when you don't have any info on the developers and their product. Don't do IPOs. Safer strategy is to look for unvervalued coins with strong fundamentals and buy them on the dips.

daytrading is so hard though. with an IPO the decision is made, I can't back out, that's what I like about them.

Yeah, but 90-95% are scam or will fail because the developers lack vision or talent or marketing. And you don't know that beforehand, you don't know anything about developers usually or their plans. Investing in an established undervalued coin is a lot safer. Just my opinion.

a bigger risk results in a bigger payoff

yep, it's called gambling :)

oh, and when I say investing in an undervalued established coin, I don't mean daytrading.
You take a position and hodl.

Nonetheless do you have any recommendations?

For an IPO - no, for reasons mentioned above.

For undervalued coins, I'd look in the direction of NXT, perhaps some Dogecoin and maybe a little of these new CryptoNite protocol ones - Monero/Quazarcoin/Fantomcoin/Boolberries.

But don't try to day trade them, you will lose.

Yeah, but 90-95% are scam or will fail because the developers lack vision or talent or marketing. And you don't know that beforehand, you don't know anything about developers usually or their plans. Investing in an established undervalued coin is a lot safer. Just my opinion.

My gut told me to invest in Nxt a week ago at 4 cents and I didn't listen :(

Now I'm wondering if the current price is sustainable... which is why I have to ask you to explain why you think it's undervalued right now.

My suggestions:
1. Buy some NXT.
2. Take a look at NEM stakes being sold on the NXT DEX. Consider buying a partial stake.
3. Buy some MaidSafeCoin. This is still priced near or below the IPO price depending on the day.
4. Buy some XCP. It's only about about 4x the IPO price.
5. Look at crowd-sales and tokens coming through the pipe on the Counterparty DEX e.g. Swarm, Vennd.

Full disclosure: I own NEM stake, EXO stake, NXT, XCP, and MAID.

There's plenty of stuff going on, and no need to feel like you've missed out. "It's still early days". :)

I'll add my two cents on the Cryptonote coins. They won't fly for a very simple reason: the addresses are way, way too long. My mom isn't going to use those, ever. Too scary for her.
The NXT team was pretty smart to truncate the 256 bit public key to 64 bits (+ auto correcting RS code).  If you want to place a bet on anonymity, better to go with a competent, non-anonymous developer. There are scant few of those...

I'm pretty annoyed with myself.

Missed nxt.

sent a little bit of money to edgecoin (not much, thank god)

Missed Qora.

got in on the freebie part of eXo, but didn't invest, because I was skeptical

blah.

I've admitted to myself that I can't pick 'em.

So I'm asking you guys, are there any good IPOs going on right now? Why is it a good IPO?

Qora is great because you just need to buy it and forget about it for 6 months. Most other oins have already matured in price or need constant maintenance to buy and sell. Qora like all genuine new codes rise to the top in the end.



BY the way, if what has been said about NEM's leader is true you don't want to be owning it.

I Missed nxt. :-[
I Missed simcoin
so sad.

My suggestions:
1. Buy some NXT.
2. Take a look at NEM stakes being sold on the NXT DEX. Consider buying a partial stake.
3. Buy some MaidSafeCoin. This is still priced near or below the IPO price depending on the day.
4. Buy some XCP. It's only about about 4x the IPO price.
5. Look at crowd-sales and tokens coming through the pipe on the Counterparty DEX e.g. Swarm, Vennd.

Full disclosure: I own NEM stake, EXO stake, NXT, XCP, and MAID.

There's plenty of stuff going on, and no need to feel like you've missed out. "It's still early days". :)

I'll add my two cents on the Cryptonote coins. They won't fly for a very simple reason: the addresses are way, way too long. My mom isn't going to use those, ever. Too scary for her.
The NXT team was pretty smart to truncate the 256 bit public key to 64 bits (+ auto correcting RS code).  If you want to place a bet on anonymity, better to go with a competent, non-anonymous developer. There are scant few of those...

to answer the topic obviously nemstakes. to the fucking moon soon!

so cheap right now

Bitshares.org
  + AngelShares and ProtoShares

What nonsense, probably the more promising developments in crypto have come from IPOs. Running a computer 24/7 doesn't mean you have a right to wealth. Picking winners is harder and involves a big element of skill, luck and risk.

NEM will get the Disappointment of the Year award in 2014.

I've got massive reservations about NEM, nothing's happened with it for so long, and they made hundreds of promises about it at launch and now there's hundreds of these 'stakes' being offered in different shapes and sizes.  I wouldn't risk it, everyone has stakes, noone has NEM.

I tried emunie and it works, it's not a myth but I don't see it's value over other currencies, a small investment in the first few hours of the first day of launch would be good though.

I've found watching for which coins get added to coinmarketcap and then investing early because they usually bump up a little.  But by the time they're posted on coinmarketcap they've made their first big gains, so there's much to get.

+5%  :)

They are obviously all missing that one :)

Has their been any progress with Bitshares recently? Are they close to releasing any of their flagship products?

If you were interested in investing .. why not investigate for you self? You might learn about DPOS, the running testnet, delegate elections and a lot more .. give it a try

Great idea, I might just do it one of these days. It's been quiet here in regards to their development. I visit their forums once every few weeks, but see it's all still being tested as 3 months ago, that's why I asked if there was any break-through.

I am pretty sure we will see their first official blockchain BitSharesXT in some soonish weeks

Awesome! That's the one that was supposed to be created after taking a snapshot of Protoshares, correct? And then we can import the Protoshares private key into that BitSharesXT blockchain?

Bitshares.org
  + AngelShares and ProtoShares

See no discussion here. It looks like dead. Stealth and unknown, probably, is it scam?

+1 to that!

I'm keeping an eye on ePawncoin

And NODE is going to make a splash.

If you pick the right IPO's they can make you some serious BTC

IPOs are always good, but it suddenly turns bad when the IPO owner gets vanished ;)

My suggestions:
1. Buy some NXT.
2. Take a look at NEM stakes being sold on the NXT DEX. Consider buying a partial stake.
3. Buy some MaidSafeCoin. This is still priced near or below the IPO price depending on the day.
4. Buy some XCP. It's only about about 4x the IPO price.
5. Look at crowd-sales and tokens coming through the pipe on the Counterparty DEX e.g. Swarm, Vennd.

Full disclosure: I own NEM stake, EXO stake, NXT, XCP, and MAID.

There's plenty of stuff going on, and no need to feel like you've missed out. "It's still early days". :)

I'll add my two cents on the Cryptonote coins. They won't fly for a very simple reason: the addresses are way, way too long. My mom isn't going to use those, ever. Too scary for her.
The NXT team was pretty smart to truncate the 256 bit public key to 64 bits (+ auto correcting RS code).  If you want to place a bet on anonymity, better to go with a competent, non-anonymous developer. There are scant few of those...

They are obviously all missing that one :)

But Syscoin IPO pro rate is just 5%, miners will dump the price quickly.

node!

Don't do IPOs, it's too risky, you will lose money in 95%-99% of them.
Only invest in a crypto when it's established, has run for at least a month or two and if you like its fundamentals compared to other cryptos, buy it on dips.

What's largest IPO so far besides Maid Safe.

Can someone give me an explanation on why NXT is good?

What's with those photos on their site? Are those real NXT devs or just a bunch of stock photos of random people?

http://www.nxtcommunity.org/sites/default/files/nxt-nerds/nxt-nerd-girl.jpg

Can someone give me an explanation on why NXT is good?

What's with those photos on their site? Are those real NXT devs or just a bunch of stock photos of random people?

http://www.nxtcommunity.org/sites/default/files/nxt-nerds/nxt-nerd-girl.jpg

What's largest IPO so far besides Maid Safe.


Typically, how much does a common IPO need in terms of BTC

Can someone give me an explanation on why NXT is good?

What's with those photos on their site? Are those real NXT devs or just a bunch of stock photos of random people?

**photo clipped***

and an equal amount of people will lose that same amount of BTC
be warned people.. especially with IPO's they are ALL scams.
this is not the stock market and these scammers can not be trusted..
they may at times let you get a bit of money but ultimately you WILL be ripped off ..it's how it works.
Ponzi scheme 101

and ignore anyone giving advice unless they have been here since pre-October 2013
since they removed the noobie jail we have an endless stream of dummy shell accounts here lying and scamming to push Ponzi scheme coins.
ignore these scamming douche bags !

it's always hilarious how noobs with 3 posts come here and seem to know everything lol
guys don't change their account for no reason ..they do it because they have to.. to scam you !
I see a noob talking here i just ignore them.. their opinions don't count.

the more interesting question is what do you think?

The "official" site of NXT is this http://www.nxt.org/ (http://www.nxt.org/)

and i cannot see any photos like you are saying.

The "official" site of NXT is this http://www.nxt.org/ (http://www.nxt.org/)

and i cannot see any photos like you are saying.

I would suggest AGS donation from bitshares.org

They have done marketing very poorly, but I believe it has the potential to be unbelievably successful.

I would suggest AGS donation from bitshares.org

They have done marketing very poorly, but I believe it has the potential to be unbelievably successful.

my gratitude to you guys for the thoughtful responses. this thread has given me alot of homework to do.

I'm definitely going to pick up, and do my best to hang onto a little bit of nxt. For the moment though I'm scared because of how quickly the price just rose. I worry that one of the big early investors is sitting there right this very moment going "well... I guess this is as high as its going to get for the time being, time to dump and buy back low."

I've decided I'm going to eyeball it for a week or two first, then buy in, just in case the price falls.

I think nxt is a really sexy looking technology, but I worry about it being closed source. I realize that's less of a concern since Java code is apparently easily decompiled, but I still can't help but wonder why not just share the code? I also worry about Java as a platform. I'm not personally knowledgeable enough about programming to know for sure either way, but I have read concerns that Java code might be more exploitable than C++. The recent price spike has alleviated these concerns to some extent though, I figure if 50 million dollars worth of people did there homework and decided to buy in, then it must be okay.

Many of the coins being pointed out are very new to me, after having taking a short hiatus from crypto-land. I am in the process now of researching credits, syscoin, crypti, and the cryptonote (nite?) coins. I really do appreciate being pointed towards those things.


I really want to get in on some NEM, but can't. Even at .1 NEMstakes the price is out of my league. We're talking poverty here :( otherwise I'd probably just buy a little bit of everything and hold forever. that's why I want to get in early on an IPO and actually get something of a foothold in crypto.

Maidsafe intrigues the living crap out of me. I've been reading about it, but something still isn't clear to me. How are the coins and the decentralized internet thing connected? I'm about to take another crack at learning more about this one.

Counterparty also piqued my interest quite some time ago, but I didn't buy for the same reason I didn't buy into mastercoin, because it's a layer on top of bitcoin right? I had trouble figuring out how both things worked. Obviously, I'm not the smartest turd in this punchbowl, but I'm not the dumbest guy on earth either, and my logic is if I have to struggle to figure out how to use these technologies, then there's zero chance of them becoming more popular. However, it could just be that the infrastructure around them isn't quite developed enough yet. If that's the case then I really need to take another crack at looking into those. Which this post has inspired me to do.

Can anyone recommend some good ELI5 guides for Counterparty?

You've all given me alot to think about.

what is conclusion on syscoin? i think potential but lot of concerns. i took a look like suggested, but very easy for ppl to fork ipo

Agreed, that seems to be the consensus of the best IPO at the moment. Swarm has potential too if you can look past what they pay the developers... People need to be paid for their work, with that developing budget they should be able to hire talented developers, and that could very well translate into a quality project.

What is this swarm thingy? Care to direct me?

I am quite wary about IPOs. Avoided Maidsafe, for instance, and in hindsight looks a good decision.

In Berlin on June 17th Swarm declared a revolution.

We stated our vision to restore to all people the power currently monopolized by the 1%, the power to participate meaningfully in economic life.

Unlike past revolutions, this is a revolution not to be joined, but to be owned. This is a fundamental fight for democracy, this is the Swarm Spring.

The right to invest and innovate is in the grips of the few with the resources. They force us to ask them permission to innovate and deny our freedom to participate. This is ostensibly to 'protect' us from our lack of intelligence. Ironically these same 'protectors' would not mind if we gamble our meagre savings at casinos or on the lottery, lest we accidentally do something of value and climb a step on the economic ladder.

We believe that we can build a better future. We believe that we can enable all to participate in a revolution of collective ownership, something that will radically shift the nature of human society. Witness the impact that the internet revolution has brought to bear on everything from book sales, to music, media, the Arab states, and even to the way we catch a taxi.

We are committed to bringing this same revolution to finance.

To deliver, the Swarm will build these vital components:

The first is cryptoequity. Cryptoequity is a replacement for traditional investment infrastructure. It is decentralized, and democratic and auditable. It allows flexibility in operating to suit any project requiring an investment. It permits the parameters of the equity to be aligned with what is best for the project. This may include both a share of profit or growth or even a true and equitable share of decision making power.

We believe that cryptoequity is to equity what cryptocurrency is to currency. It is a totally new technology that needs to be treated as such. We will spend our time and effort to ensure that it is treated as the promising new technology that it is, rather than simply forced into an old legal box. Although we will be forced to work across legal jurisdictions, we believe that the benefits of adopting these new technologies are immensely greater than working to resist them, and we expect many nation states to welcome and accomodate this, just as they have accommodated Bitcoin.

The second core feature of our platform is crowdsourced due diligence. The purpose of regulatory bodies is to avoid the manipulation of people via various scams. We salute this purpose, but believe this system has become increasingly dysfunctional and corrupt. All that has been achieved is a stifling of innovation, including a complex framework whereby fraud and misdirection of the highest order has been allowed to flourish.

We believe that collective intelligence, empowered by well designed reputational systems, can combine to vet new ideas and allow them to rapidly receive funds in an open, collaborative and well informed symphony. We will be revealing our full plans for this system at a special party in London on the 10th of July.

The third and major differentiating aspect of Swarm is that our technology allows us to distribute coins to all swarm holders. These coins may be:

    A percentage of some coin launched via the Swarm network (i.e. a share in a project)
    A coin that gives special access to types of information or puchases available exclusively to members of Swarm (i.e. a coupon)
    A coin that gives access to exclusive events (i.e. a ticket)

Swarm today is like a crypto-kickstarter offered via coins, with the intention of gradually introducing elements of cryptoequity as the legal framework is established for them. Because we do not know exactly what the future holds we cannot make certain promises to all particulars. But we can promise to work as hard we can to fulfill these offerings with the maximum potential.

We also believe that vested powers will seek to use their political ties to prevent this from being successful. This makes it imperative that we build rapidly and funnel the money we receive into building a large and resilient global network. No matter how much money we have, our enemies will be better funded and ready to use all of political connections to crush us. We must be resourceful and wily and fast.

To do this we need your help. The ultimate success of the swarm is as up to you as it is to us. We believe absolutely that the positive energy that comes out of decentralized networks is reciprocal, that it will build up an ecosystem of increased potency and innovation that out-innovates traditional structures. This is because we are swarming together, with spontaneity and syncronicity, not simply fitting things into a spreadsheet.

If this appeals to you, we invite you to join us. If not, we ask you to stay away. The benefits of our network will be revealed gradually to those who participate in our vision. For those who prefer the old ways, you will never realize what it means to receive a GOLDTICKET.

In the Swarm it is all for one and one for all. Let's do this.

Yours,
The Swarm

Please see the FAQ. If you're concerned about having enough funds plan on $0.03 per coin during the regular presale phase and you'll have an excess of funds for the presale (meaning the presale price is <0.03, that is not the actual presale price!).

that is 2580 bitcoin...that is under estimating how innovative they are friends.

no one else does business on block chain or smart contract.

they take scrypt and combine with namecoin and make it better.

software written from scratch is bad and errorprone. syscoin to the moon! come and buy some coins

Taking well-known ideas and sticking them together has nothing to do with innovation

plain wrong. read about:
NXT
peershare
bitshares

how is that better? mining will die sooner or later .. arrange with that
Ok .. let me think .. Linux is an OP that was written from skretch
openoffice .. written from skretch
wait .. bitcoin was new, written from skretch and was errorprone!
NXT written from skretch .. in Java .. still worth millions of dollars

Take your arguments and rethink before posting

About the photos or NXT in general. I see that the photos were from an unofficial site.

This is the best explanation up on NXT I've read http://deadloch.com/nxt-explained/

It seems promising, but will it be supported or become a flash in the pan that is dropped when the new new thing comes along.


If the http://www.nxtcommunity.org/ is an unoffical site, then that clears it up. Thanks for the clarification.

Qora is at IPO prices!

not even close, but we will be soon

I bet you miss your chance to buy.

I'm pretty annoyed with myself.

Missed nxt.

sent a little bit of money to edgecoin (not much, thank god)

Missed Qora.

got in on the freebie part of eXo, but didn't invest, because I was skeptical

blah.

I've admitted to myself that I can't pick 'em.

So I'm asking you guys, are there any good IPOs going on right now? Why is it a good IPO?

SWARM is a good choice.

Crypti is looking very promising.

They seem to be becoming increasingly berserk in terms of the upfront BTC they're asking.

If I liked some of the actual systems themselves, I'd be looking to buy post launch for some as there's no way they can justify the initial IPO price.

+1
Yes, agreed. Most of the IPO right now, just put up a powerpoint/whitepaper and then ask for money. The real system will take months to implement.