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Title: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: 247crypto on June 16, 2014, 04:36:23 AM http://glav.su/files/messages/2f4a34b6a78f2e74a8ca16a3374757de.jpg
Kiev is expected to pay its debt of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday, otherwise the gas supply will be stopped... http://rt.com/business/166084-gas-talks-no-deal/ Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: EternalWingsofGod on June 16, 2014, 04:38:49 AM Gas lines will stop flowing to Europe
Price Rises to the Moon combined with Iraq issue and the US siding with foe in Iran Off to another battlefield Oil speculation time Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: 247crypto on June 16, 2014, 04:43:33 AM Gas lines will stop flowing to Europe No, there are more ways to send Gas to EU, but they are not enough efficient. Programmed 15% shortage of Gas supply from Russian Federation to EU. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 04:52:47 AM http://www.palantirsolutions.com/getattachment/Blog/April-2014/the-ukraine-crisis-and-europe%E2%80%99s-natural-gas-market/BlogUkraine03.png
Right now, more than half of the Russian gas destined to Europe flows through Ukraine. So all the major European nations, with the exception of Germany will face shortfall in the volume of gas from today onward. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: niothor on June 16, 2014, 06:23:01 AM Quote "We reached no agreement and the chances that we will meet again are slim -- we are already on the plane heading back (to Moscow)," Kupriyanov told AFP. "If we receive no pre-payment by 10:00 am (0600GMT), then we obviously will deliver no gas." It's already pass the deadline and I'm sure the Ukrainians haven't payed a single cent. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 06:34:08 AM It's already pass the deadline and I'm sure the Ukrainians haven't payed a single cent. Check the news. The pipeline pressure is dropping, as the Russians have stopped the supply of gas. Within the next 48 hours, there won't be any more gas in the pipeline. http://rt.com/business/166104-gazprom-ukraine-gas-prepay/ Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: TaunSew on June 16, 2014, 06:36:11 AM If it's such a real concern then how come more people are not bringing it up?
Less natural gas just means we might have to return to the 1910s - people used to wear jackets and boots indoors all the time. Natural gas is technically one of those luxuries which permits you to wear T-Shirts and shorts, in a house, during the middle of winter. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: niothor on June 16, 2014, 06:37:36 AM It's already pass the deadline and I'm sure the Ukrainians haven't payed a single cent. Check the news. The pipeline pressure is dropping, as the Russians have stopped the supply of gas. Within the next 48 hours, there won't be any more gas in the pipeline. http://rt.com/business/166104-gazprom-ukraine-gas-prepay/ Have you read the article ? There is only one quote about a decision and that's: Quote Russia’s energy minister Aleksander Novak and Gazprom head Aleksey Miller will hold a press conference later this afternoon. Although I don't argue the gas delivery might have indeed stopped there is no actual claim for that in the article. Not even one. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: 247crypto on June 16, 2014, 06:39:55 AM Gazprom stops supplying unpaid-for gas to Ukraine as deadline passes
Quote OAO «Гaзпpoм» @GazpromNews Follow Ceгoдня c 10:00 #Гaзпpoм в пoлнoм cooтвeтcтвии c дeйcтвyющим кoнтpaктoм пepeвeл HAК «Haфтoгaз Укpaины» нa пpeдoплaтy пocтaвoк гaзa 8:08 AM - 16 Jun 2014 http://rt.com/files/news/28/8d/80/00/14.jpg http://rt.com/business/166104-gazprom-ukraine-gas-prepay/ Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: 247crypto on June 16, 2014, 06:43:07 AM Quote "Гaзпpoм" ввeл peжим пpeдoплaты пocтaвoк poccийcкoгo гaзa для "Haфтoгaзa Укpaины". Peшeниe вcтyпилo в cилy в пoнeдeльник c 10:00 пo мocкoвcкoмy вpeмeни, cooбщaeт ИTAP-TACC. B poccийcкoй гaзoвoй кoмпaнии oбъяcнили тaкиe мepы "xpoничecкими нeплaтeжaми "Haфтoгaзa Укpaины", кoтopый дoлжeн 4,458 млpд дoллapoв (451 млpд дoллapoв - зa нoябpь-дeкaбpь 2013 гoдa и 3,007 млpд дoллapoв - зa aпpeль-мaй 2014 гoдa). C ceгoдняшнeгo дня "Haфтoгaз Укpaины" пoлyчит poccийcкий гaз тoлькo в oплaчeнныx oбъeмax. Cpoк пoгaшeния Киeвoм чacти дoлгa зa poccийcкий гaз в paзмepe 1,95 миллиapдa дoллapoв иcтeк 16 июня в 10:00 пo мocкoвcкoмy вpeмeни. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: niothor on June 16, 2014, 06:46:20 AM Gazprom stops supplying unpaid-for gas to Ukraine as deadline passes http://rt.com/files/news/28/8d/80/00/14.jpg Bryant , you're the data guy , are those numbers the actual flow of gas through the pipes right now or the average pumped on ? It seems like the maximum capacity for the northern pipes is around 240milions per day, that's close to the numbers shown on the pic for all the pipes. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 07:08:19 AM ^^^^ Here:
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/files/2014/03/chart5sharplesjudge.jpg Convert million cubic meter / day to billion cubic meter / year by *0.365 Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: niothor on June 16, 2014, 07:21:57 AM ^^^^ Here: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/files/2014/03/chart5sharplesjudge.jpg Convert million cubic meter / day to billion cubic meter / year by *0.365 Seems like for the moment nordstream and yamal can take almost all the capacity. But I doubt that the gas can be pumped from there to it's normal destination. Also those are March numbers and the figures will change dramatically in October - November. Becoming interesting. Bad news for my Bulgarian neighbors :). Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: 247crypto on June 16, 2014, 07:45:42 AM Biodiesel is a healthy way to help with unemployment ;D ;D
Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 09:06:01 AM Biodiesel is a healthy way to help with unemployment ;D ;D No spare farmland available in Ukraine. Already all of it is used to produce wheat and barley. And sugarcane cannot be cultivated in Ukraine, due to the climatic conditions. BTW... this is interesting: Ukraine’s Naftogaz files lawsuit against Gazprom over ‘unfair’ gas prices http://rt.com/business/166104-gazprom-ukraine-gas-prepay Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: 5flags on June 16, 2014, 09:13:02 AM Bryant , you're the data guy... Warning - Bryant's data should always carry the warning that it is specifically selected to support his conclusions. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 09:18:18 AM Bryant , you're the data guy... Warning - Bryant's data should always carry the warning that it is specifically selected to support his conclusions. Well..... I take the effort to find the data. If you complain so much about it, then you should do some research yourself and post the data to counter what I have posted. Now begin with the post. no. 12. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: 247crypto on June 16, 2014, 09:22:38 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2kGNriDmBQ
Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: 247crypto on June 16, 2014, 04:22:11 PM Bad news for my Bulgarian neighbors :). Transit supply to EU trough Ukrainian territory is still present. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 04:26:14 PM Transit supply to EU trough Ukrainian territory is still present. Are you joking? Ukraine will steal the gas destined for Europe and the Russians will shut down the gas pipeline. It will happen within the next 24 hours. Germany, Poland.etc are going to be safe, thanks to Nord Stream. Serbia, Bulgaria.etc will have to live without any gas. Some small amounts can be transported through Blue Stream.... but that will amount to less than 5% of the demand. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: niothor on June 16, 2014, 04:34:26 PM Transit supply to EU trough Ukrainian territory is still present. Are you joking? Ukraine will steal the gas destined for Europe and the Russians will shut down the gas pipeline. It will happen within the next 24 hours. Germany, Poland.etc are going to be safe, thanks to Nord Stream. Serbia, Bulgaria.etc will have to live without any gas. Some small amounts can be transported through Blue Stream.... but that will amount to less than 5% of the demand. Bulgaria still has 2 months of gas stored. Enough time to settle this. But I wonder , If gazprom cuts supplies to the south eastern countries , won't they be accused of breaching their contract? After al they can claim the same , they signed a contract in which Gazprom agreed to deliver gas. Bulgaria has payed for it , it's gazprom fault for not sending it. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: validium on June 16, 2014, 04:35:30 PM Why are they finding it hard to pay for this yet they have the money. If they cant pay all of it then at least some of the money like a quarter of it(255$ mill).
Maybe they will come to their senses once it gets shutdown. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Souldream on June 16, 2014, 04:40:08 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2kGNriDmBQ Yeah... Gazprom => Medvedev => Poutin LoL Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Souldream on June 16, 2014, 04:42:27 PM Why are they finding it hard to pay for this yet they have the money. If they cant pay all of it then at least some of the money like a quarter of it(255$ mill). Maybe they will come to their senses once it gets shutdown. Perhaps because simply the "stealer" is gone to Russia with tons of millions of $$ .... Viktor Ianoukovitch ... fortune estimation 'is just' around half billion USD... and all Gov members who ripped the money .... Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Balthazar on June 16, 2014, 04:44:06 PM Transit supply to EU trough Ukrainian territory is still present. Are you joking? Ukraine will steal the gas destined for Europe and the Russians will shut down the gas pipeline. It will happen within the next 24 hours. Germany, Poland.etc are going to be safe, thanks to Nord Stream. Serbia, Bulgaria.etc will have to live without any gas. Some small amounts can be transported through Blue Stream.... but that will amount to less than 5% of the demand. Bulgaria still has 2 months of gas stored. Enough time to settle this. But I wonder , If gazprom cuts supplies to the south eastern countries , won't they be accused of breaching their contract? After al they can claim the same , they signed a contract in which Gazprom agreed to deliver gas. Bulgaria has payed for it , it's gazprom fault for not sending it. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: niothor on June 16, 2014, 04:56:35 PM Transit supply to EU trough Ukrainian territory is still present. Are you joking? Ukraine will steal the gas destined for Europe and the Russians will shut down the gas pipeline. It will happen within the next 24 hours. Germany, Poland.etc are going to be safe, thanks to Nord Stream. Serbia, Bulgaria.etc will have to live without any gas. Some small amounts can be transported through Blue Stream.... but that will amount to less than 5% of the demand. Bulgaria still has 2 months of gas stored. Enough time to settle this. But I wonder , If gazprom cuts supplies to the south eastern countries , won't they be accused of breaching their contract? After al they can claim the same , they signed a contract in which Gazprom agreed to deliver gas. Bulgaria has payed for it , it's gazprom fault for not sending it. I think that is is what happened in 2009 , right? But there were no consequences .. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 05:01:14 PM Bulgaria still has 2 months of gas stored. Enough time to settle this. But I wonder , If gazprom cuts supplies to the south eastern countries , won't they be accused of breaching their contract? After al they can claim the same , they signed a contract in which Gazprom agreed to deliver gas. Bulgaria has payed for it , it's gazprom fault for not sending it. The contract is signed by Gazprom as well as by the transit countries. For example, Bulgaria's supplies are guaranteed by both the Gazprom and Naftogas. Both will have to pay compensations. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Balthazar on June 16, 2014, 05:39:51 PM Transit supply to EU trough Ukrainian territory is still present. Are you joking? Ukraine will steal the gas destined for Europe and the Russians will shut down the gas pipeline. It will happen within the next 24 hours. Germany, Poland.etc are going to be safe, thanks to Nord Stream. Serbia, Bulgaria.etc will have to live without any gas. Some small amounts can be transported through Blue Stream.... but that will amount to less than 5% of the demand. Bulgaria still has 2 months of gas stored. Enough time to settle this. But I wonder , If gazprom cuts supplies to the south eastern countries , won't they be accused of breaching their contract? After al they can claim the same , they signed a contract in which Gazprom agreed to deliver gas. Bulgaria has payed for it , it's gazprom fault for not sending it. But there were no consequences .. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 06:41:37 PM Not quite. There were an additional supplies in 2009, gazprom made them to compensate shortages. Maybe I'm wrong but I it seems unlikely that gazprom will do anything like that again, in the current situation. Yes. In 2009, the Ukrainians had to pay for the stolen gas. But Gazprom received the payment only after 6 months or so. But back then, the EU officials were remaining neutral, not supporting Kiev. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: niothor on June 16, 2014, 07:15:27 PM Bulgaria still has 2 months of gas stored. Enough time to settle this. But I wonder , If gazprom cuts supplies to the south eastern countries , won't they be accused of breaching their contract? After al they can claim the same , they signed a contract in which Gazprom agreed to deliver gas. Bulgaria has payed for it , it's gazprom fault for not sending it. The contract is signed by Gazprom as well as by the transit countries. For example, Bulgaria's supplies are guaranteed by both the Gazprom and Naftogas. Both will have to pay compensations. Quote “Volumes of gas for European customers will be fully met in compliance with their contracts. Naftogaz must ensure transportation to the delivery points," Kupriyanov said earlier. So the Eu will sue gazprom who will sue naftogaz and this will take a few years , and probably nothing will happen. Pretty interesting fact about the percentages posted by rt http://rt.com/files/news/25/05/80/00/map-2.jpg Although my country is shown with 87% dependency from Russian gas, that's 87% of the 27% we import to cover entire consumption. According to the figures released by transgaz (national company) we need to close down only two chemical plants to sustain our consumption by our own. Bulgaria has to make it to 2015 though In December 2015, South Stream will deliver its first gas to Bulgaria,” Miller said. But: Quote Russia will also continue to send 185 million cubic meters of gas through Ukraine to European destinations. So , no problem for the rest of the eu? We will only have to deal with what Ukraine takes from the transit gas? (steals) The whole thing is a mess. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 07:28:02 PM ^^^ Russia will send 185 million cubic meter though the Ukrainian pipeline, and the Ukrainians will steal at least one-third of that. This is a forgone conclusion. Perhaps it will convince Putin to send some support for the rebels in Lugansk and Donestk.
Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: niothor on June 16, 2014, 07:33:47 PM ^^^ Russia will send 185 million cubic meter though the Ukrainian pipeline, and the Ukrainians will steal at least one-third of that. This is a forgone conclusion. Perhaps it will convince Putin to send some support for the rebels in Lugansk and Donestk. Even if they support the rebels in Lugansk , they will still need to take over the entire country to make the pipes safer. And if they take over , they will also have to support the cost for rebuilding a demolished war country. Not even talking about the fact that if Ukraine will join Russia , the debt will have to be waived. Pretty interesting idea: Why haven't the Ukrainians demanded for a 10% reduction of the debt since that gas was consumed by citizens of Crimea ? =))) That would be hilarious Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 07:40:07 PM ^^^ Everyone knows that Putin is not interested in adding the Donbass to Russia. So here are some of his options:
1. Support the rebels in Donbass. Send in the Spetsnaz and Omon, supply them with the latest weapons such as multi-barrel rocket launchers. 2. Make a secret deal with Poroshenko. Instant gas payment + recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea in return for withdrawal of support for the rebels. 3. Kiev agrees to the deal, Putin withdraws support, Donbass is conquered by the Kiev junta. Everything is peaceful once again. ;D Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: niothor on June 16, 2014, 07:50:46 PM ^^^ Everyone knows that Putin is not interested in adding the Donbass to Russia. So here are some of his options: 1. Support the rebels in Donbass. Send in the Spetsnaz and Omon, supply them with the latest weapons such as multi-barrel rocket launchers. 2. Make a secret deal with Poroshenko. Instant gas payment + recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea in return for withdrawal of support for the rebels. 3. Kiev agrees to the deal, Putin withdraws support, Donbass is conquered by the Kiev junta. Everything is peaceful once again. ;D There is one tiny flaw in this plan... How will Putin face the public reaction of leaving Russian civilians in the hands of the Kiev government when withdrawing his support from eastern Ukraine? Even with all the propaganda he is a master in , he won't escape unscratched. The first thing is already happening.I don't see the second one coming true. The US will do anything in it's power that no such deal is made. I think that they have some hidden plan and the recent changes in iran - iraq might be a clue. How long it will take to build a pipeline from Iran to southern Europe? Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 07:54:56 PM There is one tiny flaw in this plan... How will Putin face the public reaction of leaving Russian civilians in the hands of the Kiev government when withdrawing his support from eastern Ukraine? First of all he will not offer public support. The weapons will be shipped secretly. And in the end he will ask the rebel leaders to either make a deal with Poroshenko, or to escape to Russia. Probably the rebel leaders will announce in the public that their demands have been met and they are stopping the war. How long it will take to build a pipeline from Iran to southern Europe? Haven't heard about the Trans-Anatolian / Trans Adriatic gas pipeline? Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: niothor on June 16, 2014, 07:59:26 PM How long it will take to build a pipeline from Iran to southern Europe? Haven't heard about the Trans-Anatolian / Trans Adriatic gas pipeline? Both of them are to be completed in 2018 , but they are not linked to the iranian one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Pipeline Expected 2014 So , I guess something is wrong with the project and I can't get any info on it. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 17, 2014, 02:51:11 AM ^^^^ As far as I know, the Persian pipeline project was abandoned in 2012. But in case the political situation improves, there is a chance that an interlink pipeline will be built, connecting the Iranian gas fields to the Trans Anatolian Pipeline.
Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: 247crypto on June 17, 2014, 06:38:47 AM If counter show, that gas result stolen, from Russian part will be cut supply for the same amount of gas.
Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: spazzdla on June 17, 2014, 12:40:29 PM Hummmmmm
Gaslog stock.. look it up. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Balthazar on June 17, 2014, 01:35:11 PM Yahoo! Finally, the gas pipeline was exploded. :D Waiting for "PANICPANICPANIC" screams in the Brussel. :)
http://business.vesti.ua/57019-pod-poltavoj-vzorvalsja-gazoprovod-urengoj-pomary-uzhgorod Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 17, 2014, 02:07:25 PM ^^^ The explosion happened in Poltava Oblast, which is currently under the occupation of Right Sector. It is a no-brainer actually, on who is responsible for the pipeline blast. At the time of explosion, the gas pressure was around 50-52 atmos. It is a miracle that large scale human casualties and economic damage were avoided.
Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: EternalWingsofGod on June 22, 2014, 06:10:08 AM Did anything happen to the Ukraine after the announcement from Russia about these pipelines
Also what can be done Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Nemo1024 on June 22, 2014, 10:40:42 AM First of all, Ukraine can pay up the debt and agree to the EU-brokered deal of 385.
Second, South-Eastern countries should stop following the directives from Brussels (after conducting talks with Kerry) and shooting themselves in the foot by not wishing to conclude the South Stream. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 22, 2014, 11:27:43 AM Did anything happen to the Ukraine after the announcement from Russia about these pipelines Also what can be done According to Gazprom, it has stopped supplying gas to Ukraine. But everyone knows that the Ukrainians are currently stealing the gas which is destined for the European Union and other non-EU eastern European nations. ;D Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Nemo1024 on June 22, 2014, 11:47:32 AM Ukraine also used the time after the first partial debt payment, when gas stop was postponed to continued to pump in gas into their reservoirs using maximum flow.
Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 22, 2014, 12:50:19 PM Ukraine also used the time after the first partial debt payment, when gas stop was postponed to continued to pump in gas into their reservoirs using maximum flow. Ukraine / Naftogaz does not have large gas storage facilities, such as the Etzel facility in Germany and Tarsus in Turkey. The current reserves will run out before the winter, when they need the maximum amount of gas. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Nemo1024 on June 24, 2014, 08:02:57 AM I found this really well-written analysis that puts gas into the context of the ongoing war:
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/gas-wars-why-is-ukraine-refusing-to-pay-for-russian-gas/ Here is a short excerpt: Quote ... The only possible reason Yatsenyuk, Poroshenko, and Co. would be so arrogant and audacious is because they have received direct assurances from the US that it will be behind them 100%. The infamous #neocon Victoria #Nuland just visited Kiev. She didn’t bring any burgers and cookies for maidan this time, but she brought something else – direct orders. The goals of Nuland’s visit were as follows: 1. To give orders to use phosphorus bombs in eastern Ukraine. Read Lada Ray’s Warning: Phosphorus Bombing of Slavyansk and Ukraine APCs Breach Russian Border 2. To give the green light to the Russian border provocation via Ukraine APCs. See the same article. Also read related: Ukraine Part 6. Striking Geopolitical Similarities: Georgian War – Beijing2008 and Ukraine – Sochi2014. and Predictions page. 3. To sabotage gas price negotiations at any cost, which in the end will hurt both Russia and EU! Watch report: Gazprom sets last gas payment deadline for Ukraine. Ukraine PM #Yatsenyuk gave order to all his underlings to prepare for the gas shut-off on Monday – the last deadline given by Russia for past due payment (4 deadlines have already gone by). Yatsenyuk and Poroshenko would rather have the entire country be without gas than agree on something reasonable with Russia. Here is why. 1. They received a direct order from the Washington HQ to destabilize Russia and Europe, and to drive a wedge between them. 2. They desperately need to paint Russia as a villain who turned off the gas to the poor Ukrainian citizens, so later they can say that Russia is to blame for the economic collapse of the Ukraine. In reality, the collapse has been underway for the past 23 years ... Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Nemo1024 on June 24, 2014, 01:17:57 PM I've written an English translation of an article, giving detailed account of all three gas wars:
http://stanislavs.org/the-third-gas-war-eu-and-us-must-pay-for-their-successes-in-ukraine/ PS: read this article, quite enlightening: http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/lada-ray-urgent-gas-wars-why-is-ukraine-refusing-to-pay-for-russian-gas-june-14-2014/ Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Nemo1024 on June 25, 2014, 09:48:09 AM Right, Europe insists on shooting itself in the foot. Even though the South Stream agreement was signed with Austria yesterday, the EU commissioner demands freeze of the construction of the South Stream:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/06/25/south/ Interestingly, Miller promised yesterday, that Europe (at least the Northern part) will get their gas supplied in full despite sabotage by Ukraine, by increase in the flow in Yamal and North Stream pipelines. By the way, The Supreme Court of Ukraine cleared Timoshenko of all charges, saying that the gas contract ($485 per thousand cubic) that she signed with Gazprom back in 2005 is not criminal or wrong. In other words, Ukraine said that the price that they are declining now is too low. ;D Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 26, 2014, 06:50:18 PM Kiev jokers are getting crazier by the day. ;D
With gas debt still pending, Ukraine dares to demand new concessions from Gazprom http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_06_26/With-gas-debt-still-pending-Ukraine-dares-to-demand-new-concessions-from-Gazprom-5885/ Gazprom to Lose $3 Billion if EU Sells Gas Back to Ukraine http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/gazprom-to-lose-3-billion-if-eu-sells-gas-back-to-ukraine/502584.html Ukraine is hoping for Slovakian gas. It will never happen. Because..................... the Slovakian pipeline is owned by Gazprom subsidiary. ;D Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on June 27, 2014, 03:27:48 AM Seems like the EU is split on new sanctions on Russia.
Countries favoring new sanctions: Britain, France, Poland, Sweden, Denmark, the Czech Republic, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Countries opposing new sanctions: Italy, Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Luxembourg, Austria, Spain, Portugal and Malta. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Nemo1024 on July 01, 2014, 08:25:39 PM Ukraine cheats again with gas!
While Ukraine is saying that they receive reverse gas from Europe, they in fact installed a short by-pass pipe, circumventing the counter, and are pumping Russian gas that is supposed to get to Europe: http://ria.ru/economy/20140701/1014327891.html Hungary refuses to stop construction of South stream: http://lenta.ru/news/2014/07/01/hungary/ PM Orban said that those who say that Hungary should refuse building South Stream, should at the same time tell Hungary how it is supposed to live without energy. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Benjig on July 01, 2014, 11:36:23 PM The gas stop to Europe Will be the like your power is cut off because your neighbor didnt pay their Bill,that createt trust to the supplier,you Will look for a new supplier,thats how its works
Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Nemo1024 on July 02, 2014, 07:57:56 PM The gas stop to Europe Will be the like your power is cut off because your neighbor didnt pay their Bill,that createt trust to the supplier,you Will look for a new supplier,thats how its works Nope. It would be more like if the cable to your house went through your neighbour's house, and the neighbour didn't pay the bill and then tempered with the cable, the supplier cuts the supply. At the same time the supplier tries to build another cable to your house (South Stream), yet your neighbour goes to the police (US) and says that he does not want you to have that alternative line. At which point, the police (US), goes to you (Europe) and blackmails you into stopping construction of a bypass line. In the meantime, Ukraine finished the round of tenders to receive reverse gas from Europe through Slovakia: http://ria.ru/world/20140702/1014483835.html Just a reminder that Slovakia (or Ukraine) will have to build a separate pipeline to Ukraine to send the reverse gas, as it is not allowed to syphon off gas from the pipe that goes to Europe (but is doing it anyway) Ukraine continues to refuse to pay for gas (let alone the debt), even though the contract, signed by Timoshenko's government was acknowledged as legal by Ukrainian Supreme Court. Medvedev estimates that a full-scale energy crisis awaits Ukraine, close to the autumn: http://www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2014/07/02/n_6277989.shtml Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Nemo1024 on July 03, 2014, 03:00:23 PM An interesting bit of news. This might be the thing needed to save Ukraine economically (and might have been planned from the start of the Maidan "unrests"), but a complete change of the political leadership of Ukraine and warcrime trials must come first.
US and Germany want gas hub in Ukraine - Naftogaz director http://rt.com/business/169936-us-germany-ukraine-gas/ Ok, after having read the article in full, a warning: proceed with caution, laughter may be provoked. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Nemo1024 on July 04, 2014, 12:19:00 PM Ukrainian Ministry of Finance found 8 alternatives to Russian gas, including biodiesel and synthetic gas.
Another alternative is building an LNG, where Ukraine will receive gas at a market price of $380, though the question of who will deliver the gas is not decided (reminding that Russia, after mediating from EU, was offering a price of $385) http://www.bfm.ru/news/263973 Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Balthazar on July 04, 2014, 12:45:38 PM Ukrainian Ministry of Finance found 8 alternatives to Russian gas http://demotivation.me/images/20140514/zip5kdbr2z14.jpgTitle: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: EternalWingsofGod on July 05, 2014, 07:33:30 AM Ukrainian Ministry of Finance found 8 alternatives to Russian gas, including biodiesel and synthetic gas. Another alternative is building an LNG, where Ukraine will receive gas at a market price of $380, though the question of who will deliver the gas is not decided (reminding that Russia, after mediating from EU, was offering a price of $385) http://www.bfm.ru/news/263973 They still need to pay that debt back one way or another Perhaps with Crimea lol.... Then again Ukraine says let there be war! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2680722/Ukraines-new-defence-minister-pledges-retake-Crimea-promising-victory-parade-key-city-Sevastopol.html Daily mail is funny sometimes UKRAINIAN ASTRONOMERS NAME STAR 'PUTIN IS A D***HEAD' Ukrainian astronomers have named a star 'Putin is a D**khead' in a jibe aimed at the hated Russian president. The star was adopted and named through the Pale Blue Dot Project, which allows anyone to adopt and name a star for just $10, with the money going to fund the hunt for Earth-like planets. The co-ordinates of star which is officially named 'Putin Huilo' are: Celestial Star: right Ascension: 18 h 59 m 47.09 s Slope: 46 * 26 '44', 'magnitude: 11. The term Putin Huilo is belived to have been coined by football fans and was widely chanted at matches, before being picked up by rock bands and becoming a popular internet meme. It was widely shouted during the Maidan protest in Kiev which resulted in the ousting of President Yanukovych and his government . Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2680722/Ukraines-new-defence-minister-pledges-retake-Crimea-promising-victory-parade-key-city-Sevastopol.html#ixzz36ZqXjuYv Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: bryant.coleman on July 06, 2014, 07:15:17 AM While Ukraine is saying that they receive reverse gas from Europe, they in fact installed a short by-pass pipe, circumventing the counter, and are pumping Russian gas that is supposed to get to Europe This will never be a feasible option. Because: 1. Gas prices are around $400 / K Cu M in Slovakia. Reverse gas will be even more expensive, when compared to the rate of $380 per K Cu M offered by Russia to Ukraine. 2. The Yamal and Nord Stream pipelines will run out of spare capacity in winter, when gas is needed the most. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Nemo1024 on July 07, 2014, 10:42:00 AM And the final goal of the Ukraine coup is within reach:
Ukraine makes first step to let EU, US co-manage national gas pipes http://rt.com/business/170436-ukraine-pipes-eu-us/ Quote The Ukrainian parliament has passed the first reading of a bill allowing western companies to own up to 49 percent of the national gas transportation system (GTS), which is currently totally owned by Naftogaz Ukraine. The 229 - 221 Friday vote means a foreign operator will be able to manage, be licensed to operate, or lease Ukraine’s gas pipelines or its underground storage, RIA reports. On top of that, the Ukrainian government can set up a separate operator for the underground gas storage, where US and European companies could also get a 49 percent stake. ... Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who proposed the bill, said it was a part of a bigger initiative to modernize Ukraine’s GTS and also strengthen Ukraine’s position as a transit country. “Those who want to turn Ukraine’s pipes into scrap, play along with Russia in construction of South Stream, those don’t vote for the bill,” Yatsenyuk said on Thursday when the bill was first turned down And some astute reader comments: Quote Mr Chuck 07.07.2014 10:04 Yats must be getting very wealthy getting backhanders from all these big western players who he is helping rape Ukraines infrastructure. W.J. van der Meer 07.07.2014 09:24 I am afraid Gazprom will shut off the gas supplies to Ukraine as soon as the South Stream is completed, making this project obsolete. Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Nemo1024 on July 08, 2014, 10:48:49 AM Ukraine gas debt exceeds $5bn, no June payments made - Gazprom
http://rt.com/business/171204-ukraine-gas-debt-gazprom/ Quote Ukraine’s gas bill has risen another $838 million, after Kiev failed to make a payment for 1.7 billion cubic meters of Russian gas supplied in the first half of June. “The deadline for paying June bills expired yesterday; we again didn’t receive the money from Naftogaz Ukraine. As a result Ukraine’s debt to Gazprom for the 1.7 billion cubic meters supplied from June 1 through June 16 rose to $5.296 billion,” Gazprom CEO Aleksey Miller said on Tuesday. ... “Ukraine’s principle unwillingness to pay for Russian gas is becoming chronic, and once again shows the transition to aprepayment system, included in the contract, was the only correct decision,” Miller added. They could have at least used those 5 million dollars, spent to honour Biden junior during the independence day (04.07) banquet in Kiev towards gas payments... Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Nemo1024 on July 09, 2014, 11:26:42 AM Russia, Serbia agree €2.1bn South Stream construction deal
http://rt.com/business/171152-russia-serbia-south-stream/ Now, if only Bulgaria did what's in its national interests... Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Nemo1024 on July 11, 2014, 06:18:26 PM Ukraine's vice-PM Groisman said that Ukraine counts on buying 6-7 billion m3 of gas from Russia to survive the winter:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1405078155 I don't remember them starting paying yet, though... ::) In the meantime Naftagas halved gas delivery to power station of Kiev, and completely stopped such delivery to Harkov. And another joke of the day: Standard & Poor's upgraded their rating of Ukraine from Negative to Stable. http://itar-tass.com/ekonomika/1312395?utm_medium=rss20 So it must mean "stable poor condition" or "stable on the vector planned by the US" Title: Re: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. Post by: Sithara007 on July 12, 2014, 06:01:02 AM Russia, Serbia agree €2.1bn South Stream construction deal http://rt.com/business/171152-russia-serbia-south-stream/ Now, if only Bulgaria did what's in its national interests... Serbia is a landlocked country. South Stream will not be possible unless any of the coastal Balkan nations agree to its construction (Bulgaria, Romania, Greece.etc). |
