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EternalWingsofGod
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June 16, 2014, 04:38:49 AM |
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Gas lines will stop flowing to Europe Price Rises to the Moon combined with Iraq issue and the US siding with foe in Iran Off to another battlefield
Oil speculation time
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247crypto (OP)
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June 16, 2014, 04:43:33 AM |
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Gas lines will stop flowing to Europe
No, there are more ways to send Gas to EU, but they are not enough efficient. Programmed 15% shortage of Gas supply from Russian Federation to EU.
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bryant.coleman
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June 16, 2014, 04:52:47 AM |
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Right now, more than half of the Russian gas destined to Europe flows through Ukraine. So all the major European nations, with the exception of Germany will face shortfall in the volume of gas from today onward.
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niothor
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June 16, 2014, 06:23:01 AM |
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"We reached no agreement and the chances that we will meet again are slim -- we are already on the plane heading back (to Moscow)," Kupriyanov told AFP. "If we receive no pre-payment by 10:00 am (0600GMT), then we obviously will deliver no gas." It's already pass the deadline and I'm sure the Ukrainians haven't payed a single cent.
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bryant.coleman
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June 16, 2014, 06:34:08 AM |
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It's already pass the deadline and I'm sure the Ukrainians haven't payed a single cent. Check the news. The pipeline pressure is dropping, as the Russians have stopped the supply of gas. Within the next 48 hours, there won't be any more gas in the pipeline. http://rt.com/business/166104-gazprom-ukraine-gas-prepay/
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TaunSew
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June 16, 2014, 06:36:11 AM |
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If it's such a real concern then how come more people are not bringing it up?
Less natural gas just means we might have to return to the 1910s - people used to wear jackets and boots indoors all the time. Natural gas is technically one of those luxuries which permits you to wear T-Shirts and shorts, in a house, during the middle of winter.
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There ain't no Revolution like a NEMolution. The only solution is Bitcoin's dissolution! NEM!
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niothor
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June 16, 2014, 06:37:36 AM |
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It's already pass the deadline and I'm sure the Ukrainians haven't payed a single cent. Check the news. The pipeline pressure is dropping, as the Russians have stopped the supply of gas. Within the next 48 hours, there won't be any more gas in the pipeline. http://rt.com/business/166104-gazprom-ukraine-gas-prepay/Have you read the article ? There is only one quote about a decision and that's: Russia’s energy minister Aleksander Novak and Gazprom head Aleksey Miller will hold a press conference later this afternoon. Although I don't argue the gas delivery might have indeed stopped there is no actual claim for that in the article. Not even one.
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247crypto (OP)
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June 16, 2014, 06:39:55 AM |
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Gazprom stops supplying unpaid-for gas to Ukraine as deadline passes OAO «Гaзпpoм» @GazpromNews Follow Ceгoдня c 10:00 #Гaзпpoм в пoлнoм cooтвeтcтвии c дeйcтвyющим кoнтpaктoм пepeвeл HAК «Haфтoгaз Укpaины» нa пpeдoплaтy пocтaвoк гaзa 8:08 AM - 16 Jun 2014 http://rt.com/business/166104-gazprom-ukraine-gas-prepay/
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247crypto (OP)
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June 16, 2014, 06:43:07 AM |
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"Гaзпpoм" ввeл peжим пpeдoплaты пocтaвoк poccийcкoгo гaзa для "Haфтoгaзa Укpaины". Peшeниe вcтyпилo в cилy в пoнeдeльник c 10:00 пo мocкoвcкoмy вpeмeни, cooбщaeт ИTAP-TACC.
B poccийcкoй гaзoвoй кoмпaнии oбъяcнили тaкиe мepы "xpoничecкими нeплaтeжaми "Haфтoгaзa Укpaины", кoтopый дoлжeн 4,458 млpд дoллapoв (451 млpд дoллapoв - зa нoябpь-дeкaбpь 2013 гoдa и 3,007 млpд дoллapoв - зa aпpeль-мaй 2014 гoдa).
C ceгoдняшнeгo дня "Haфтoгaз Укpaины" пoлyчит poccийcкий гaз тoлькo в oплaчeнныx oбъeмax.
Cpoк пoгaшeния Киeвoм чacти дoлгa зa poccийcкий гaз в paзмepe 1,95 миллиapдa дoллapoв иcтeк 16 июня в 10:00 пo мocкoвcкoмy вpeмeни.
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niothor
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June 16, 2014, 06:46:20 AM |
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Gazprom stops supplying unpaid-for gas to Ukraine as deadline passes Bryant , you're the data guy , are those numbers the actual flow of gas through the pipes right now or the average pumped on ? It seems like the maximum capacity for the northern pipes is around 240milions per day, that's close to the numbers shown on the pic for all the pipes.
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bryant.coleman
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June 16, 2014, 07:08:19 AM |
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^^^^ Here: Convert million cubic meter / day to billion cubic meter / year by *0.365
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niothor
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June 16, 2014, 07:21:57 AM |
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^^^^ Here: Convert million cubic meter / day to billion cubic meter / year by *0.365 Seems like for the moment nordstream and yamal can take almost all the capacity. But I doubt that the gas can be pumped from there to it's normal destination. Also those are March numbers and the figures will change dramatically in October - November. Becoming interesting. Bad news for my Bulgarian neighbors .
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247crypto (OP)
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June 16, 2014, 07:45:42 AM |
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Biodiesel is a healthy way to help with unemployment
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bryant.coleman
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June 16, 2014, 09:06:01 AM |
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Biodiesel is a healthy way to help with unemployment No spare farmland available in Ukraine. Already all of it is used to produce wheat and barley. And sugarcane cannot be cultivated in Ukraine, due to the climatic conditions. BTW... this is interesting: Ukraine’s Naftogaz files lawsuit against Gazprom over ‘unfair’ gas priceshttp://rt.com/business/166104-gazprom-ukraine-gas-prepay
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June 16, 2014, 09:13:02 AM |
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Bryant , you're the data guy...
Warning - Bryant's data should always carry the warning that it is specifically selected to support his conclusions.
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bryant.coleman
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June 16, 2014, 09:18:18 AM |
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Bryant , you're the data guy...
Warning - Bryant's data should always carry the warning that it is specifically selected to support his conclusions. Well..... I take the effort to find the data. If you complain so much about it, then you should do some research yourself and post the data to counter what I have posted. Now begin with the post. no. 12.
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247crypto (OP)
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June 16, 2014, 04:22:11 PM |
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Bad news for my Bulgarian neighbors . Transit supply to EU trough Ukrainian territory is still present.
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bryant.coleman
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June 16, 2014, 04:26:14 PM |
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Transit supply to EU trough Ukrainian territory is still present.
Are you joking? Ukraine will steal the gas destined for Europe and the Russians will shut down the gas pipeline. It will happen within the next 24 hours. Germany, Poland.etc are going to be safe, thanks to Nord Stream. Serbia, Bulgaria.etc will have to live without any gas. Some small amounts can be transported through Blue Stream.... but that will amount to less than 5% of the demand.
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