Bitcoin Forum

Other => Off-topic => Topic started by: jamesg on February 23, 2012, 12:20:26 AM



Title: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on February 23, 2012, 12:20:26 AM
Hello fellow bitcoiners!

Here is validation of one of the first butterfly lab singles in the wild......

Tracking info:
Fedex tracking info (http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?clienttype=dotcom&initial=n&ascend_header=1&sum=n&cntry_code=us&language=english&tracknumber_list=876656917352&mi=n&spnlk=spnl0&track_number_0=876656917532&track_number_replace_0=876656917352)

Video of single out of it's package:
https://vimeo.com/37280356

Video of single in action (right side up):
https://vimeo.com/37281150

Package contents:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-iC1nBwzibyE/T0VU8Y711QI/AAAAAAAAA0U/Z_HO1XvNgWY/s720/IMG_0199.JPG

Another angle:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NVULwtVgtv8/T0VVsstVMbI/AAAAAAAAA0o/IElF9PPOEHo/s720/IMG_0202.JPG

The modifications for the second fan:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kwnxJpGs4A0/T0VVnVQ6_QI/AAAAAAAAA0g/1nBmyulGkDA/s720/IMG_0203.JPG

Documentation:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2y8ylbJQEvU/T0VU7wcQ7zI/AAAAAAAAA0Q/zVmuK4-eo8w/s720/IMG_0200.JPG

Power supply:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KxL_i6kE9Zw/T0VVstPnTcI/AAAAAAAAA0w/qqgvOR4orGo/s720/IMG_0204.JPG

cgminer:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IagouBS3Djg/T0V9AgVvmxI/AAAAAAAAA1A/ega3q98eEek/s665/cgminer-bfl-single.jpg



Give me my bounty: 1CVfduhjKMpqnsULF1HbTGCuLyPAqbDvUj


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: P_Shep on February 23, 2012, 12:26:12 AM
A beautiful sight to see a BFL single frolicking free in the wild...


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 23, 2012, 12:28:35 AM
Well done Giga :)

I'm sitting in smug land right now ;)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: filharvey on February 23, 2012, 12:41:32 AM
Very nice, and mining on GPUMax as well :-)

Phil


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: uck on February 23, 2012, 12:49:29 AM
Sweet!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: SysRun on February 23, 2012, 12:49:41 AM
Good enough for me. Hey Goat! What do you think?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: uck on February 23, 2012, 12:51:29 AM
I am slightly confused tho,  Fedex tracking info but the box showed Priority Mail from USPS.  Which was it?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 23, 2012, 12:53:04 AM
I am slightly confused tho,  Fedex tracking info but the box showed Priority Mail from USPS.  Which was it?

Some sort of hybrid apparently.  I was told the same when I initially ordered mine (I was pushing for Fedex/UPS or DHL for international delivery).


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: rjk on February 23, 2012, 12:53:21 AM
I am slightly confused tho,  Fedex tracking info but the box showed Priority Mail from USPS.  Which was it?
Fedex doesn't give a shit what kind of boxes you use.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: SysRun on February 23, 2012, 12:54:23 AM
I am slightly confused tho,  Fedex tracking info but the box showed Priority Mail from USPS.  Which was it?
Fedex doesn't give a shit what kind of boxes you use.

A free box is a free box.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: jamesg on February 23, 2012, 12:55:10 AM
I am slightly confused tho,  Fedex tracking info but the box showed Priority Mail from USPS.  Which was it?
Fedex doesn't give a shit what kind of boxes you use.

A free box is a free box.

Whatever keeps the cost of my next 100 singles down...


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: grue on February 23, 2012, 01:06:08 AM
it's real! :o


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: Unacceptable on February 23, 2012, 01:11:57 AM
 ;D :o Freakin AWESOME :o ;D

Now I can get to ordering mine ;D

How hard was it to setup the mining software?? I use Win7 & GUIminer for my GPU's,is it similar??

Any way to see the software being setup live??

I'm not a software guru BTW :'(

Does the power adapter come with it or did you have to order it seperatly from them??

Thanks gigavps 8)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: SgtSpike on February 23, 2012, 01:13:59 AM
820MH/s?  And how much did it cost?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 23, 2012, 01:20:28 AM
820MH/s?  And how much did it cost?

http://www.butterflylabs.com/


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: joulesbeef on February 23, 2012, 01:20:48 AM
they are $600 (http://www.butterflylabs.com/products/)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: SgtSpike on February 23, 2012, 01:29:26 AM
So payback in 7.5 months (roughly).  Wow, not bad at all...

Of course, I guess you have to count the amount of time you are waiting for the product to actually arrive!  :D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 23, 2012, 01:31:04 AM
So payback in 7.5 months (roughly).  Wow, not bad at all...

Of course, I guess you have to count the amount of time you are waiting for the product to actually arrive!  :D

Depends when you ordered.  Early adopters are getting theirs now.   Others will have to wait for old orders to be filled and new stock to be built.  That's the price you pay for waiting :)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: BinaryMage on February 23, 2012, 02:28:31 AM
Very nice indeed!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: the joint on February 23, 2012, 02:30:28 AM
60% efficiency gets better over time yes?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: jamesg on February 23, 2012, 02:32:32 AM
giga, have you ordered any more? one thing i'm curious to see is how multiple 'singles' would go being run on 1 pc.

would there be any bandwidth or power issues with the usb port?


I've ordered 10 more. The documentation says 100 can be run off of a single computer.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: jamesg on February 23, 2012, 02:32:54 AM
60% efficiency gets better over time yes?

I'll post some updated pics when I get back to the DC in the morning.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: Graet on February 23, 2012, 02:43:52 AM
as per https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53530.msg755720#msg755720
I have sent the 30BTC i was holding to the winner of the bet Sysrun - my understanding is he will forward the bounty to gigavps

Good work gigavps :D

now how to afford one (or several) of these beauties :P


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: P_Shep on February 23, 2012, 02:47:49 AM
Can't wait for mine to turn up  :D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: shakaru on February 23, 2012, 02:55:35 AM
I think I just pooped a little at this post.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: BinaryMage on February 23, 2012, 03:07:46 AM
I think I just pooped a little at this post.

pooped at the post? (http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/be+pipped+to+the+post)


I doubt that's what Shakaru meant.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: SysRun on February 23, 2012, 03:09:01 AM
xID: 380523bc-ba78-4356-ba04-2818f881861d

Bounty Sent, and well worth it!

Thanks gigavps, you've helped out the community. Much appreciated.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: shakaru on February 23, 2012, 03:09:41 AM
I think I just pooped a little at this post.

pooped at the post? (http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/be+pipped+to+the+post)


Nope. I said what I meant.

I should have said,

"I just pooped a little, due to this post. :)"

but I fail. That and the android keyboard. But anyways. First the 7xxx start showing up, Rjk actually builds my dream board and builds something I would leave my girlfriend for, and now giga has a sexy Bitforce single on his desk. Idk about you guys, but I think im print up this weeks worth of post and hide it under my mattress for lonely nights.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: BinaryMage on February 23, 2012, 03:13:13 AM
Nope. I said what I meant.

I should have said,

"I just pooped a little, due to this post. :)"

but I fail. That and the android keyboard. But anyways. First the 7xxx start showing up, Rjk actually builds my dream board and builds something I would leave my girlfriend for, and now giga has a sexy Bitforce single on his desk. Idk about you guys, but I think im print up this weeks worth of post and hide it under my mattress for lonely nights.

ROTFLMAO. That just made my day. Thank you Shakaru.   ;D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 23, 2012, 03:13:24 AM
:)



Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: jamesg on February 23, 2012, 03:13:43 AM
xID: 380523bc-ba78-4356-ba04-2818f881861d

Bounty Sent, and well worth it!

Thanks gigavps, you've helped out the community. Much appreciated.

Thanks!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: Internet151 on February 23, 2012, 03:41:15 AM
Hey gigavps, can you tell me how high your ambient room temperature can get to before the BFL single starts to throttle itself?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: jamesg on February 23, 2012, 03:43:22 AM
Hey gigavps, can you tell me how high your ambient room temperature can get to before the BFL single starts to throttle itself?

I have it in the front office right now with doesn't get above 78. Inaba has had his single throttle, but I am unsure of the temp.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: Splirow on February 23, 2012, 04:00:24 AM
Does it work with Bamt?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: jamesg on February 23, 2012, 04:13:46 AM
Does it work with Bamt?

It will when 0.5 comes out.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: Splirow on February 23, 2012, 04:34:42 AM
Does it work with Bamt?

It will when 0.5 comes out.

I heard 0.5 comes out today


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: BinaryMage on February 23, 2012, 04:49:11 AM
Does it work with Bamt?

It will when 0.5 comes out.

I heard 0.5 comes out today

Well, lodcrappo stated it might come out later today. It wasn't a guarantee.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: Splirow on February 23, 2012, 05:06:53 AM
Does it work with Bamt?

It will when 0.5 comes out.

I heard 0.5 comes out today

Well, lodcrappo stated it might come out later today. It wasn't a guarantee.

yup, your right.

I also told him that he should bundle it with a usb stick or specifically this one (http://www.sandisk.com/products/usb-flash-drives/cruzer-fit-usb-flash-drive)
which i told him I get for about $6. He should then charge 4-5 btc or $20 total (usb included) so he can continue support the project.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: BinaryMage on February 23, 2012, 05:09:13 AM
Does it work with Bamt?

It will when 0.5 comes out.

I heard 0.5 comes out today

Well, lodcrappo stated it might come out later today. It wasn't a guarantee.

yup, your right.

I also told him that he should bundle it with a usb stick or specifically this one (http://www.sandisk.com/products/usb-flash-drives/cruzer-fit-usb-flash-drive)
which i told him I get for about $6. He should then charge 4-5 btc or $20 total (usb included) so he can continue support the project.


Interesting idea. Anyway, we probably should get back on topic. ;) Don't want to derail yet another BFL thread.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: BFL-Engineer on February 23, 2012, 09:47:16 AM
giga, have you ordered any more? one thing i'm curious to see is how multiple 'singles' would go being run on 1 pc.

would there be any bandwidth or power issues with the usb port?


Greetings,

Regarding USB limitations, out of each real USB port (a port that directly comes out of your motherboards
southbridge, not an internal HUB), around 100 units can function without restriction. Thus, if your computer
has 3 real USB ports (EHCI or OHCI), you can hookup around 300 BitFORCE units to it. BitFORCE does not
take any power from the USB port it connects to, and acts as a stand-alone self-powered unit.


Good Luck,



Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: nmat on February 23, 2012, 10:17:52 AM
Greetings,

Regarding USB limitations, out of each real USB port (a port that directly comes out of your motherboards
southbridge, not an internal HUB), around 100 units can function without restriction. Thus, if your computer
has 3 real USB ports (EHCI or OHCI), you can hookup around 300 BitFORCE units to it. BitFORCE does not
take any power from the USB port it connects to, and acts as a stand-alone self-powered unit.


Good Luck,

The thing is, if you have 100 devices connected to the same USB port and one of them has problems, it's gonna take a while until you figure out which one is it. Or am I wrong?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: BFL-Engineer on February 23, 2012, 10:25:33 AM
Greetings,

Regarding USB limitations, out of each real USB port (a port that directly comes out of your motherboards
southbridge, not an internal HUB), around 100 units can function without restriction. Thus, if your computer
has 3 real USB ports (EHCI or OHCI), you can hookup around 300 BitFORCE units to it. BitFORCE does not
take any power from the USB port it connects to, and acts as a stand-alone self-powered unit.


Good Luck,

The thing is, if you have 100 devices connected to the same USB port and one of them has problems, it's gonna take a while until you figure out which one is it. Or am I wrong?

It really depends on whether they are all BitFORCE units or it's a mixture of different devices (Mouse, WebCam, HDD, etc). We had no problem connecting
many units to the same USB ports using HUBs. It is not recommended, however, to connect a High-speed and Full-Speed or Low-Speed device to the same
port (This applies in general to the USB protocol ). The reason being is that the controller must reduces bus-speed to send SOF (Start Of Frame) packets
or data packets to full-speed/low-speed units and switch back to high-speed again. This will reduce overall efficiency of the bus.

Regarding trouble-shooting, that is something to be determined based on your specific setup. Generally, if a USB 'device' fails, the HUB disconnects it and
it goes offline.


Regards,



Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: Timbo925 on February 23, 2012, 10:29:38 AM
subscribing and finding some money to buy one of these bad boys ;D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: pieppiep on February 23, 2012, 10:33:41 AM
If you have 100 devices on 1 usb port, you definitely make use of usbhubs.
If you have a root hub with 5 ports with each 5 another 5 port hub and on those each a 4 port hub you have a totel of 5*5*4 = 100 ports.
You can just unplug 1 of the 5 hubs on the root hub and see if 24 more or 25 more devices fail. If 24 more fail you found the hub with the broken device.
A lot faster than trying each of the 100 :)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: antirack on February 23, 2012, 10:54:10 AM
I don't know if temperature sensor stickers exist and can be used (kind of like Telatemps (http://www.labelmaster.com/shop/shipping/damage-indicators/telatemp-temperature-recording-labels), but a bit different).

If they do exist, you can put a sticker on all your singles and the one that gets cold is the one you are looking for.

Kind of like this would be cool:

http://www.incrediblethings.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Mug-with-a-Temperature-Sensor1.jpg


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: BFL-Engineer on February 23, 2012, 11:33:38 AM
I don't know if temperature sensor stickers exist and can be used (kind of like Telatemps (http://www.labelmaster.com/shop/shipping/damage-indicators/telatemp-temperature-recording-labels), but a bit different).

If they do exist, you can put a sticker on all your singles and the one that gets cold is the one you are looking for.

Kind of like this would be cool:

http://www.incrediblethings.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Mug-with-a-Temperature-Sensor1.jpg


The actual firmware supports temperature-monitoring, and the miner software can access it.
We may add a blink-on-user-request feature to the firmware. This way, any unit that the miner
asks for, can start blinking at a fast pace, making visual detection of the unit-in-question
easier.

Regards,


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: muyuu on February 23, 2012, 11:49:24 AM
If this is real, then the "Rig Box" would be still a much much more efficient beast in comparison.

50.4 Giga Hash / S @ 2,500w @ $24,980

About $4M in these would take over the network.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: SysRun on February 23, 2012, 12:50:38 PM
I wouldn't rely on the specs provided for the rig box. Let's wait until we get some updated information from BFL.

Those specs were from back when the Single was still predicted as 1GH/s @ 20watts. I'm not complaining about the end result of 832MH/s @ 83 watts, but its bound to make the Rig Box Stats shift somewhat.

I wouldn't be surprised if the added heat made the enclosure impossible to engineer.

But what about a 10 unit, 8.32GH/s model? I'd jump at that in a second.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on February 23, 2012, 01:07:07 PM
As promised, here is a screen shot of cgminer after ~12 hours of mining...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QyN33JjGUgY/T0Y5th3OmSI/AAAAAAAAA1I/Psxc2OOyNXc/s660/cgminer-12-hours.jpg


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: muyuu on February 23, 2012, 01:15:07 PM
I wouldn't rely on the specs provided for the rig box. Let's wait until we get some updated information from BFL.

Those specs were from back when the Single was still predicted as 1GH/s @ 20watts. I'm not complaining about the end result of 832MH/s @ 83 watts, but its bound to make the Rig Box Stats shift somewhat.

I wouldn't be surprised if the added heat made the enclosure impossible to engineer.

But what about a 10 unit, 8.32GH/s model? I'd jump at that in a second.

Even "shifting somewhat", it's several times more efficient. So provided it's even close to their claims, it's immense.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 23, 2012, 02:36:42 PM
awesome thanks! Btw how much is it pulling from the wall?

+1


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on February 23, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
awesome thanks! Btw how much is it pulling from the wall?

+1

No wattage reader around here, I'm too busy hashing away!  ;D

I think Inaba said around 85w....


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Splirow on February 23, 2012, 03:06:23 PM
Did you play around with flags, oc?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Epoch on February 23, 2012, 03:08:07 PM
following


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on February 23, 2012, 03:11:30 PM
Did you play around with flags, oc?

This is what i have in my .bat file to start cgminer...

Code:
cgminer -o http://pool.com:8332 -u name -p pw -o http://pool2.com:8332 -u name -p pw -o http://pool3.com:8332 -u uname -p pw --failover-only -S COM5 --disable-gpu


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: airdata on February 23, 2012, 03:31:17 PM
What a game changer!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: hmblm1245 on February 23, 2012, 04:10:22 PM
very exciting. its cool to see a turn key solution.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: abeaulieu on February 23, 2012, 04:12:47 PM
Awesome, thanks for the updates. Definitely have to look into purchasing one.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Epoch on February 23, 2012, 04:16:10 PM
very exciting. its cool to see a turn key solution.

'Turnkey' would imply that it is an all-in-one solution needing no other components to perform its function. That is not the case; it still needs a host PC which is an additional expense (which is likely to need more power than the Single itself). I understand that most of us have PCs 'kicking around' that we can use, but still ...


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: fred0 on February 23, 2012, 04:20:02 PM
Well I sure would like to see one of mine  :'(


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SysRun on February 23, 2012, 04:36:06 PM
Now, can we run a few units on a Raspberry Pi? This could very quickly make a turnkey solution with very little power consumption added.

I can see it now, 3/14 special offer from BFL.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: pieppiep on February 23, 2012, 04:37:43 PM
Or a SheevaPlug (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug").
Are the Raspberry Pi computers on stock?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SysRun on February 23, 2012, 04:43:02 PM
Or a SheevaPlug (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug").
Are the Raspberry Pi computers on stock?

They've announced that pre-orders will be available by the end of this month. There was a part shortage at their assembly plant, but I think they have that sorted now.   <edit> check http://raspberrypi.com/ for updates. It should show up there some time soon.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: abeaulieu on February 23, 2012, 04:46:36 PM
Raspberry Pi would be a great option as a host computer. Only problem is driver/communications compatibility, but it should be a worthwhile pursuit. My guess is it would be quicker to obtain a RasPi than a BFL single.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: bulanula on February 23, 2012, 04:52:33 PM
Raspberry Pi would be a great option as a host computer. Only problem is driver/communications compatibility, but it should be a worthwhile pursuit. My guess is it would be quicker to obtain a RasPi than a BFL single.

Yeah. If one orders a single now when can we expect delivery ?

In 3 months ???


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: cypherdoc on February 23, 2012, 05:48:08 PM
If this is real, then the "Rig Box" would be still a much much more efficient beast in comparison.

50.4 Giga Hash / S @ 2,500w @ $24,980

About $4M in these would take over the network.

or "add/support"  the network  ;D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: Syke on February 23, 2012, 06:00:32 PM
Even "shifting somewhat", it's several times more efficient. So provided it's even close to their claims, it's immense.

Why would you assume that? Their initial claims were wildly wrong.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: lueo on February 23, 2012, 06:52:09 PM
What a great product! I want one now!

Do they support international shipping? (I'm in Asia)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SysRun on February 23, 2012, 06:59:50 PM
What a great product! I want one now!

Do they support international shipping? (I'm in Asia)

http://www.butterflylabs.com/pre-order-form/


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Turbor on February 23, 2012, 08:30:20 PM
I like that BFL got their product running. Well done ! Now create a new box to cover those fans :P


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on February 23, 2012, 08:42:22 PM
OK. Now that the product seems to be genuine I have some questions for you all :

-what do you think will happen with the rest of the network ? Will all GPU miners cease to be profitable like the CPU miners ? What about free elec people ?

-has all the FPGA competition been wiped out with this weapon ?

-what will an ASIC do to the bitcoin network ?

-could this still be a long con and how can we see the warning signs in that case ?

Discuss !

Please take your FUD discussion elsewhere....

This topic was to validate that the BFL single is not a unicorn and to collect the bounty.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Epoch on February 23, 2012, 08:49:17 PM
OK. Now that the product seems to be genuine I have some questions for you all :
-what do you think will happen with the rest of the network ? Will all GPU miners cease to be profitable like the CPU miners ? What about free elec people ?
-has all the FPGA competition been wiped out with this weapon ?
-what will an ASIC do to the bitcoin network ?
-could this still be a long con and how can we see the warning signs in that case ?

Consider this: Even if 100% of the network suddenly replaced their GPUs with FPGA, come December the block reward gets cut in half and the Single will be generating $1.50/day (assuming today's difficulty and BTC/USD exchange). That gives it a 400-day payback period. Is that good? Not particularly.

In other words, look at the Big Picture: the days of 'cheap' bitcoins are almost over. Mine while you can now; next year it won't be so rosy.

DeathAndTaxes already showed that the Single isn't significantly more power efficient (Mhash/W) than an undervolted and underclocked 5970. If you have cheap power, you may be better off with something like a 5970 (which is cheaper than a Single to begin with). All other FPGA offerings (X6500, Icarus, ...) are at least TWICE as efficient as BFL because BFL is using old 65nm tech. So, no, the other FPGA competition has certainly NOT been wiped out with this.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: nmat on February 23, 2012, 08:49:31 PM
OK. Now that the product seems to be genuine I have some questions for you all :

-what do you think will happen with the rest of the network ? Will all GPU miners cease to be profitable like the CPU miners ? What about free elec people ?

-has all the FPGA competition been wiped out with this weapon ?

-what will an ASIC do to the bitcoin network ?

-could this still be a long con and how can we see the warning signs in that case ?

Discuss !

1 - Yes, but slowly because FPGAs are much harder to buy (you need to wait for production, shipping, etc.) and because people with cheap electricity don't really care about this right now. Eventually the difficulty increase due to specialised hardware will push out GPUs, but this will probably take years.
2 - No. Icarus is nearly 2 times as efficient so it could be a better choice for people with expensive electricity. I also believe that we will see other products similar to BFL's in the following months
3 - It will increase the difficulty
4 - N/A


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: triplehelix on February 23, 2012, 08:56:01 PM
Consider this: Even if 100% of the network suddenly replaced their GPUs with FPGA, come December the block reward gets cut in half and the Single will be generating $1.50/day (assuming today's difficulty and BTC/USD exchange). That gives it a 400-day payback period. Is that good? Not particularly.

yeah, but there are still ~300 days until the approximate time when the reward will be halved to 25btc.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: simonk83 on February 23, 2012, 08:56:12 PM
I'm enjoying this immensely :)  Great to see proper discussion instead of just inane comments from bored people.   Looking forward to the community working together to improve the software over time :)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Epoch on February 23, 2012, 08:59:54 PM
Consider this: Even if 100% of the network suddenly replaced their GPUs with FPGA, come December the block reward gets cut in half and the Single will be generating $1.50/day (assuming today's difficulty and BTC/USD exchange). That gives it a 400-day payback period. Is that good? Not particularly.

yeah, but there are still ~300 days until the approximate time when the reward will be halved to 25btc.

If you are planning to mine with a Single, there are only 300 days if you ordered it back in November and it arrives now. People ordering today will not see it for 2 months. There go 60 days.  :'(


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: bulanula on February 23, 2012, 09:01:45 PM
I'm enjoying this immensely :)  Great to see proper discussion instead of just inane comments from bored people.   Looking forward to the community working together to improve the software over time :)

Yeah there is no point trolling when they have seemingly delivered.

I really am thinking about what to do next.

I need people smarter than me to discuss so I can learn from them.

People like D&T etc.

Buy FPGA or GPUs ???

Can these singles really push the difficulty sky high just like the GPUs did to the CPUs ?

Lots of people that did not have enough cooling, amps, skill etc. can now start mining at the click of a button with the speed of a 5970 !

I am unsure as to how the mining environment and competition will change from here on etc.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: triplehelix on February 23, 2012, 09:03:56 PM
Consider this: Even if 100% of the network suddenly replaced their GPUs with FPGA, come December the block reward gets cut in half and the Single will be generating $1.50/day (assuming today's difficulty and BTC/USD exchange). That gives it a 400-day payback period. Is that good? Not particularly.

yeah, but there are still ~300 days until the approximate time when the reward will be halved to 25btc.

If you are planning to mine with a Single, there are only 300 days if you ordered it back in November and it arrives now. People ordering today will not see it for 2 months. Then there will be 250 days left.  :'(

yeah, i thought about the production delays as i was posting.  hopefully many of the production kinks have been worked out, and they will be in a position to start delivering in a quicker more efficient manner.

regardless though, as long as you can get a unit in the next few months, you should be able to take a huge chunk off the time to payback prior to the adjustment.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: The-Real-Link on February 23, 2012, 09:07:28 PM
Wow those look really tempting now.  Pretty close to a 5970 / 6990 but without the power, heat, or noise.  But as was said, they're only *just* slightly more efficient for MH/$.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Turbor on February 23, 2012, 09:12:47 PM
I am unsure as to how the mining environment and competition will change from here on etc.

You can't go wrong with Spartan 6 boards.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 23, 2012, 09:13:13 PM
Wow those look really tempting now.  Pretty close to a 5970 / 6990 but without the power, heat, or noise.  But as was said, they're only *just* slightly more efficient for MH/$.

It's all about reducing the power bill for me.   Same cost (there abouts) for the same hashing power, but at greatly reduced power consumption.    I pay a lot for electricity though so it makes sense for me.  If you pay peanuts for your power then I can see how you'd not be quite as tempted.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: cypherdoc on February 23, 2012, 09:16:08 PM
IMO, and i'm looking at it as an investor, financial analyzer, is that these fpga's are a huge game changer for the positive.

as you say, it now allows the average joe shmoe non geek to get involved.  any 'ol executive at a big business can now plug this in at the side of his desk and call it an "accessory".  

the hashing rate is going to blossom upwards and the rewards will come in the form of a higher btc price as this will rise all boats.

you're actually already seeing the positive signs being manifested in the last coupla days rising price.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Syke on February 23, 2012, 09:18:35 PM
It's all about reducing the power bill for me.

Then you should consider modern FPGAs like Icarus and X6500. Way more power efficient. BFL Singles will become unprofitable long before other FPGAs.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on February 23, 2012, 09:26:01 PM
Wow those look really tempting now.  Pretty close to a 5970 / 6990 but without the power, heat, or noise.  But as was said, they're only *just* slightly more efficient for MH/$.

I'm not sure slightly is the right word here......

BFL Single 813Mh/80w = 10Mh/1w

At BEST, a 5970 can MAYBE to 5Mh/1w when it is underclocked / undervolted.

So if you consider DOUBLE the Mh/w to be slightly, then maybe I'm dumber than I have been thinking.


Ultimately what this means is, a BFL single will be profitable a lot longer when the next significant downward event happens in price or subsidy.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Unacceptable on February 23, 2012, 09:34:43 PM
I have 2 probs with Icarus & X6500:

#1- NO WARRANTY at all....................

#2- The BFL will pay for itself in 4 months(at current rate),the others will take 10-17 months.

The power consumption IS less,but so are the m/h per $$$$.360 m/h @ $560 or 800 m/h @ $600(with 6 month warranty),hhmmmm tough call  ::)

I ran the numbers with this:  http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php

1/8 the power consumption(compared to my 2 6970's) is enough for me to get my hashrate up to a profitable margin.

I pay .11 per kwh on average.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 23, 2012, 09:42:14 PM
It's all about reducing the power bill for me.

Then you should consider modern FPGAs like Icarus and X6500. Way more power efficient. BFL Singles will become unprofitable long before other FPGAs.

I'd need 3 or 4 of those to match the hashrate, at 3 or 4 times the price, so no ;)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Unacceptable on February 23, 2012, 09:42:43 PM
It's all about reducing the power bill for me.

Then you should consider modern FPGAs like Icarus and X6500. Way more power efficient. BFL Singles will become unprofitable long before other FPGAs.

I'd need 3 or 4 of those to match the hashrate, at 3 or 4 times the price, so no ;)

+1  ;D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 23, 2012, 09:44:03 PM
It's all about reducing the power bill for me.

Then you should consider modern FPGAs like Icarus and X6500. Way more power efficient. BFL Singles will become unprofitable long before other FPGAs.

I'd need 3 or 4 of those to match the hashrate, at 3 or 4 times the price, so no ;)

3 or 4? 

Sure BFL is lower MH/$ but you might have forgotten to carry a 1 or something.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SgtSpike on February 23, 2012, 09:45:54 PM
It's all about reducing the power bill for me.

Then you should consider modern FPGAs like Icarus and X6500. Way more power efficient. BFL Singles will become unprofitable long before other FPGAs.
Weren't those only generating something like 200MH/s though?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SysRun on February 23, 2012, 09:47:05 PM
It's all about reducing the power bill for me.

Then you should consider modern FPGAs like Icarus and X6500. Way more power efficient. BFL Singles will become unprofitable long before other FPGAs.
Weren't those only generating something like 200MH/s though?

Stop talking people into BFLs guys! I need to buy them all!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: nmat on February 23, 2012, 09:51:12 PM
Weren't those only generating something like 200MH/s though?

Currently ~380Mhash/h at $569 and 20W (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=51371.0)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 23, 2012, 10:00:01 PM
Weren't those only generating something like 200MH/s though?

Currently ~380Mhash/h at $569 and 20W (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=51371.0)

Ok then, so 2 would get me 760mH (which is close, but obviously less) at $1138 (plus whatever delivery is) and 40W.   So yay, I save 40W at the wall, but it's going to take quite a while to save enough to get me that initial $500+ dollars back.

I'll pass.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Epoch on February 23, 2012, 10:13:12 PM
#2- The BFL will pay for itself in 4 months(at current rate),the others will take 10-17 months.

I ran the numbers with this:  http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php

I pay .11 per kwh on average.

Um, you need to 'run the numbers' again.

At today's difficulty of 1376302, @832Mhps, and $5/BTC, will generate $3.04 per day using 2kWh of electricity at a total cost of $0.22. So you net $2.82 per day. Cost of Single: $600. Let's ignore shipping and/or tax. $600/$2.82 is 213 days or 7 months payback period. If instead you go with the next predicted difficulty of 1,411,550, your payback period becomes even longer.

Not sure how you 'ran the numbers' and got 4 months out of it.  :-\
Must have been the same way you somehow got '3 or 4' Icarus or x6500's to equal the hashrate of a Single. Try 2.2 Icarus.

I suggest you stop spreading FUD.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: toffoo on February 23, 2012, 10:32:00 PM
Looks to me as though someone has figured out how to sell pickaxes to miners in the midst of the gold rush of 2012.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SlaveInDebt on February 23, 2012, 10:44:53 PM
Looks to me as though someone has figured out how to sell pickaxes to miners in the midst of the gold rush of 2012.

More like

http://i39.tinypic.com/fu9w68.jpg


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on February 23, 2012, 10:57:32 PM
Looks to me as though someone has figured out how to sell pickaxes to miners in the midst of the gold rush of 2012.

More like

http://i39.tinypic.com/fu9w68.jpg

No that will be when ASICs come out. (soon)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: P_Shep on February 23, 2012, 10:59:06 PM
Still can't wait for mine. Getting very excited :)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: fitty on February 24, 2012, 12:57:19 AM
#2- The BFL will pay for itself in 4 months(at current rate),the others will take 10-17 months.

I ran the numbers with this:  http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php

I pay .11 per kwh on average.

Um, you need to 'run the numbers' again.

At today's difficulty of 1376302, @832Mhps, and $5/BTC, will generate $3.04 per day using 2kWh of electricity at a total cost of $0.22. So you net $2.82 per day. Cost of Single: $600. Let's ignore shipping and/or tax. $600/$2.82 is 213 days or 7 months payback period. If instead you go with the next predicted difficulty of 1,411,550, your payback period becomes even longer.

Not sure how you 'ran the numbers' and got 4 months out of it.  :-\
Must have been the same way you somehow got '3 or 4' Icarus or x6500's to equal the hashrate of a Single. Try 2.2 Icarus.

I suggest you stop spreading FUD.

What's your numbers for Icarus? Based on your numbers for Single, Icarus runs about 14+ months payback period. So the Single is only twice as good, instead of 3-4x as good? I mean sure he was wrong, but it doesn't really change what the better option is.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: triplehelix on February 24, 2012, 01:03:58 AM
No that will be when ASICs come out. (soon)

do you have information on ASICs currently being developed?


on a side note, total cost of ownership as you scale needs to be looked at when comparing FPGAs to GPUs.  with GPUs, your going to have to invest far more in support hardware (motherboards, cpu's, ram, etc) than you will with FPGAs.

as an example, apparently you can run 100 of these singles off of one computer (1 CPU, 1 MOBO, 1 HDD, etc) where with GPU's, every few that you want to expand to, you have to buy another MOBO/CPU, etc.

so comparing them 1 to 1 is only valid up to say 3 units (or whatever number of pci slots modern mobo's have generally), after which the cost of FPGAs seems to become much cheaper than expanding with GPUs.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: pandemic on February 24, 2012, 01:16:17 AM
No that will be when ASICs come out. (soon)

do you have information on ASICs currently being developed?


on a side note, total cost of ownership as you scale needs to be looked at when comparing FPGAs to GPUs.  with GPUs, your going to have to invest far more in support hardware (motherboards, cpu's, ram, etc) than you will with FPGAs.

as an example, apparently you can run 100 of these singles off of one computer (1 CPU, 1 MOBO, 1 HDD, etc) where with GPU's, every few that you want to expand to, you have to buy another MOBO/CPU, etc.

so comparing them 1 to 1 is only valid up to say 3 units (or whatever number of pci slots modern mobo's have generally), after which the cost of FPGAs seems to become much cheaper than expanding with GPUs.

But you can use a computer with 4+ GPU's for something else. Good luck using the FPGA for anything else but BTC mining.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: coblee on February 24, 2012, 01:18:47 AM
But you can use a computer with 4+ GPU's for something else. Good luck using the FPGA for anything else but BTC mining.

You are not comparing the same thing! You can use the computer with FPGA's connected to it also. Good luck using your GPUs for anything else while it's BTC mining.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: grue on February 24, 2012, 01:24:09 AM
But you can use a computer with 4+ GPU's for something else. Good luck using the FPGA for anything else but BTC mining.

You are not comparing the same thing! You can use the computer with FPGA's connected to it also. Good luck using your GPUs for anything else while it's BTC mining.
in an event of a crash
GPU - has resale value
FPGA - no resale value

So despite FPGA being more power efficient, and possibly cheaper than GPUs, GPUs have less risk.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: grue on February 24, 2012, 01:33:11 AM
GPU that has spent a year mining at full steam ... not as
much resale value as one might think.
Buyer doesn't have to know that...  :-X


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BinaryMage on February 24, 2012, 01:35:27 AM
GPU that has spent a year mining at full steam ... not as
much resale value as one might think.
Buyer doesn't have to know that...  :-X

Used "lightly".  ;)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 24, 2012, 01:43:26 AM
No that will be when ASICs come out. (soon)

do you have information on ASICs currently being developed?


on a side note, total cost of ownership as you scale needs to be looked at when comparing FPGAs to GPUs.  with GPUs, your going to have to invest far more in support hardware (motherboards, cpu's, ram, etc) than you will with FPGAs.

as an example, apparently you can run 100 of these singles off of one computer (1 CPU, 1 MOBO, 1 HDD, etc) where with GPU's, every few that you want to expand to, you have to buy another MOBO/CPU, etc.

so comparing them 1 to 1 is only valid up to say 3 units (or whatever number of pci slots modern mobo's have generally), after which the cost of FPGAs seems to become much cheaper than expanding with GPUs.

That is a good point but if you are smart you can get 6 GPU on a decent board like MSI 890FXA-GD70 (8 w/ dual GPU cards).  So if you are running 2 or 3 or 5 of these boards the fact that you "could" be running 100 isn't lowering your cost. Now someone like giga running a massive farm if he does purchase 100 boards as he indicated he intends to (not sure if he is joking) will be able to benefit from lower host overhead.

Still most people aren't going to drop $10,000+ on FPGAs to get the benefit you are talking about.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BinaryMage on February 24, 2012, 01:47:49 AM
GPU that has spent a year mining at full steam ... not as
much resale value as one might think.
Buyer doesn't have to know that...  :-X

Tell us more about your business ethics, Mr grue, we're fascinated  ;D

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=joke (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=joke).  ;)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on February 24, 2012, 01:52:50 AM
Now someone like giga running a massive farm if he does purchase 100 boards as he indicated he intends to (not sure if he is joking) will be able to benefit from lower host overhead.

Still most people aren't going to drop $10,000+ on FPGA to get the benefit you are talking about.

More profits baby!   ;D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: triplehelix on February 24, 2012, 01:55:11 AM
No that will be when ASICs come out. (soon)

do you have information on ASICs currently being developed?


on a side note, total cost of ownership as you scale needs to be looked at when comparing FPGAs to GPUs.  with GPUs, your going to have to invest far more in support hardware (motherboards, cpu's, ram, etc) than you will with FPGAs.

as an example, apparently you can run 100 of these singles off of one computer (1 CPU, 1 MOBO, 1 HDD, etc) where with GPU's, every few that you want to expand to, you have to buy another MOBO/CPU, etc.

so comparing them 1 to 1 is only valid up to say 3 units (or whatever number of pci slots modern mobo's have generally), after which the cost of FPGAs seems to become much cheaper than expanding with GPUs.

That is a good point but if you are smart you can get 6 GPU on a decent board like MSI 890FXA-GD70 (8 w/ dual GPU cards).  Unless you intend of buying 8 of these you aren't getting any benefit from that theoretical 100 per CPU.  Now someone like giga running a massive farm if he does purchase 100 boards will be able to benefit from lower host overhead.

Still most people aren't going to drop $10,000+ on FPGA to get the benefit you are talking about.

yes, the less invested, the more apt the 1 to 1 comparison is.  the further along the MH/s scale you go, the more the cost advantage swings towards FPGAs.

i'm kind of focusing on the Rig Boxes and that level.  working out some details mentally on how to proceed with them, assuming the stats they offer are relevant, which even now seems to be a huge assumption.  but even with another FPGA solution, at a 20k investment, FPGA's would seem to be the hands down more cost effective option.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: payb.tc on February 24, 2012, 03:40:33 AM
Still most people aren't going to drop $10,000+ on FPGA to get the benefit you are talking about.

i'd be tempted to buy one if someone in aus decided to ship a heap of them over here in bulk and distribute. but shipping just 1 of them isn't worth the postage.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: finway on February 24, 2012, 03:55:38 AM
fancinating


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: btc_artist on February 24, 2012, 04:06:57 AM
Thanks for posting this giga!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: The-Real-Link on February 24, 2012, 04:27:49 AM
Wow those look really tempting now.  Pretty close to a 5970 / 6990 but without the power, heat, or noise.  But as was said, they're only *just* slightly more efficient for MH/$.

I'm not sure slightly is the right word here......

BFL Single 813Mh/80w = 10Mh/1w

At BEST, a 5970 can MAYBE to 5Mh/1w when it is underclocked / undervolted.

So if you consider DOUBLE the Mh/w to be slightly, then maybe I'm dumber than I have been thinking.


Ultimately what this means is, a BFL single will be profitable a lot longer when the next significant downward event happens in price or subsidy.

Sorry Giga, I think I was focusing on price moreso than efficiency.  Obviously your #s are right and no a 5970 wouldn't be anywhere near close. 

I was wondering to myself though if FPGAs can still be used for anything else except mining.  I know the market will continue but if it were to crash, I'd believe GPUs to have some resale value vs FPGAs which I don't know what else you could do with. 

FPGAs are good for people who have high power costs, not great areas to mine with cooling, and perhaps a lack of space though.  4 of them would edge out the price of one (full w/case) rig + 3 5970s pretty well (let's estimate 3,200 MH VS 2,200 MH) by quite a good margin, though 3 FPGAs and you're kind of close there.  I would again just wonder what else they could be used for before turning my entire operation into FPGA blocks.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SgtSpike on February 24, 2012, 04:36:59 AM
The other thing to think about is how many people have bought these, and how much profit will be squeezed out of mining by them.  BFL told me that their initial production run of Rig Boxes is already sold out..!  I don't know how many they are planning to make even in this initial run, but at 50GH a pop, they'll add to the difficulty quickly!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: check_status on February 24, 2012, 05:03:40 AM
Everyones going to be jumping on the bandwagon, buying FPGA's and selling there GPU's. Sweet! GPU price drop. Schweet!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on February 24, 2012, 01:28:19 PM
Here is a screenshot ~36 hours in. Around 25.5k shares accepted!  :D

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1Jnf3jlJLpA/T0eP0IUGiaI/AAAAAAAAA1Q/tfN8jVUAPWc/s660/bfl-single-36-hours.jpg


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on February 24, 2012, 02:05:54 PM
Here is a screenshot ~36 hours in. Around 25.5k shares accepted!  :D

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1Jnf3jlJLpA/T0eP0IUGiaI/AAAAAAAAA1Q/tfN8jVUAPWc/s660/bfl-single-36-hours.jpg
I wooted.

Wonder if it would work better if you put it in the fridge ;D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Unacceptable on February 24, 2012, 08:58:54 PM
#2- The BFL will pay for itself in 4 months(at current rate),the others will take 10-17 months.

I ran the numbers with this:  http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php

I pay .11 per kwh on average.

Um, you need to 'run the numbers' again.

At today's difficulty of 1376302, @832Mhps, and $5/BTC, will generate $3.04 per day using 2kWh of electricity at a total cost of $0.22. So you net $2.82 per day. Cost of Single: $600. Let's ignore shipping and/or tax. $600/$2.82 is 213 days or 7 months payback period. If instead you go with the next predicted difficulty of 1,411,550, your payback period becomes even longer.

Not sure how you 'ran the numbers' and got 4 months out of it.  :-\
Must have been the same way you somehow got '3 or 4' Icarus or x6500's to equal the hashrate of a Single. Try 2.2 Icarus.

I suggest you stop spreading FUD.

My bad,I included my other 2 rigs(350 m/h each) in the ROI,sorry ::)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Epoch on February 24, 2012, 09:01:35 PM
My bad,I included my other 2 rigs(350 m/h each) in the ROI,sorry ::)
Not a problem, I think we have it cleared up now.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: grue on February 24, 2012, 09:19:08 PM
Here is a screenshot ~36 hours in. Around 25.5k shares accepted!  :D

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1Jnf3jlJLpA/T0eP0IUGiaI/AAAAAAAAA1Q/tfN8jVUAPWc/s660/bfl-single-36-hours.jpg
I wooted.

Wonder if it would work better if you put it in the fridge ;D
another way FPGA is better than GPU :P


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: eviltt on February 25, 2012, 04:43:25 PM
Wow those look really tempting now.  Pretty close to a 5970 / 6990 but without the power, heat, or noise.  But as was said, they're only *just* slightly more efficient for MH/$.

I'm not sure slightly is the right word here......

BFL Single 813Mh/80w = 10Mh/1w

At BEST, a 5970 can MAYBE to 5Mh/1w when it is underclocked / undervolted.

So if you consider DOUBLE the Mh/w to be slightly, then maybe I'm dumber than I have been thinking.


Ultimately what this means is, a BFL single will be profitable a lot longer when the next significant downward event happens in price or subsidy.

Sorry Giga, I think I was focusing on price moreso than efficiency.  Obviously your #s are right and no a 5970 wouldn't be anywhere near close. 

I was wondering to myself though if FPGAs can still be used for anything else except mining.  I know the market will continue but if it were to crash, I'd believe GPUs to have some resale value vs FPGAs which I don't know what else you could do with. 

FPGAs are good for people who have high power costs, not great areas to mine with cooling, and perhaps a lack of space though.  4 of them would edge out the price of one (full w/case) rig + 3 5970s pretty well (let's estimate 3,200 MH VS 2,200 MH) by quite a good margin, though 3 FPGAs and you're kind of close there.  I would again just wonder what else they could be used for before turning my entire operation into FPGA blocks.

Actually with the price of 5970's at a little over 400 dollars right now + MB/CPU/Memory + PSU you are looking at an investment of about 1700 bucks (for 3 5970's). 
3 of these are 1800 bucks... pretty close comparo if you ask me


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BFL-Engineer on February 25, 2012, 05:07:37 PM
Wow those look really tempting now.  Pretty close to a 5970 / 6990 but without the power, heat, or noise.  But as was said, they're only *just* slightly more efficient for MH/$.

I'm not sure slightly is the right word here......

BFL Single 813Mh/80w = 10Mh/1w

At BEST, a 5970 can MAYBE to 5Mh/1w when it is underclocked / undervolted.

So if you consider DOUBLE the Mh/w to be slightly, then maybe I'm dumber than I have been thinking.


Ultimately what this means is, a BFL single will be profitable a lot longer when the next significant downward event happens in price or subsidy.

Sorry Giga, I think I was focusing on price moreso than efficiency.  Obviously your #s are right and no a 5970 wouldn't be anywhere near close. 

I was wondering to myself though if FPGAs can still be used for anything else except mining.  I know the market will continue but if it were to crash, I'd believe GPUs to have some resale value vs FPGAs which I don't know what else you could do with. 

FPGAs are good for people who have high power costs, not great areas to mine with cooling, and perhaps a lack of space though.  4 of them would edge out the price of one (full w/case) rig + 3 5970s pretty well (let's estimate 3,200 MH VS 2,200 MH) by quite a good margin, though 3 FPGAs and you're kind of close there.  I would again just wonder what else they could be used for before turning my entire operation into FPGA blocks.

Actually with the price of 5970's at a little over 400 dollars right now + MB/CPU/Memory + PSU you are looking at an investment of about 1700 bucks (for 3 5970's). 
3 of these are 1800 bucks... pretty close comparo if you ask me


I'm not sure if I'm correct or not, but according to https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison, for 5970 to operate
at 800MH/s, each would take 340+ watts, totaling 1320W (for GPUs) + 20 Watts (For the supporting PC) + Inefficiency of the
PSU, that's something around 1400Watt (+/- 10%). Three of BitFORCE consumes 240Watt (less if powered from a high-efficiency
PSU which has 3 outputs @ 12V).

The extra 1000 Watts in the GPU solution, would cost:
 144 USD per month in France  (19 Cents per kWh)
 266 USD per month in Germany (36 Cents per kWh)
 66   USD per month in Russia (9 Cets per kWh)
 155 USD per month in UK (26 Cents per kWh)
 74   USD per month in USA (Average, differs from state to state)
 200 USD per month in Sweden (27 Cents per kWh)

Furthermore, GPUs need maintenance, may encounter fan failure, generate noise and heat.
Please let me know if I'm missing anything.


Regards,


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: LZ on February 25, 2012, 07:27:28 PM
gigavps, can you post statistics from some well-known pool? Your screenshots worth nothing.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Turbor on February 25, 2012, 07:40:26 PM
gigavps, can you post statistics from some well-known pool? Your screenshots worth nothing.

Bullshit ! GPUMAX just works like every other pool ! Stupid nonsense...


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Alex AXe on February 25, 2012, 07:40:47 PM
Well, extra 1000 W in Ukraine would cost only $33 per month (0,37 UAH = 0,046 USD per kWh).
In this case the possibility of a subsequent sale of the GPU in Ukraine (even used ones) for a price exceeding the price of new ones in the U.S. causing my preference to GPU-based  solutions.
However, this announcement of the FPGA-solutions are really able to make me interested in.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Epoch on February 25, 2012, 07:44:22 PM
Three of BitFORCE consumes 240Watt (less if powered from a high-efficiency PSU which has 3 outputs @ 12V).

@BFL-Engineer: what is the efficiency of the PSU bundled with the Singles? I'm trying to get a feel for whether it makes economic sense for an end-user to look at replacing it with something more efficient. Also, do you have a specific 12V multiple-output supply that you could recommend?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: LZ on February 25, 2012, 10:54:15 PM
gigavps, I had in mind that screenshots worth nothing because they can't prove anything.

Turbor, do not shout at me. You are also in my potential scammers list now. Good luck. 8)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: fred0 on February 25, 2012, 11:01:16 PM
Three of BitFORCE consumes 240Watt (less if powered from a high-efficiency PSU which has 3 outputs @ 12V).
@BFL-Engineer: what is the efficiency of the PSU bundled with the Singles? I'm trying to get a feel for whether it makes economic sense for an end-user to look at replacing it with something more efficient. Also, do you have a specific 12V multiple-output supply that you could recommend?
+1


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: runeks on February 25, 2012, 11:07:25 PM
Interwrestling!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BinaryMage on February 26, 2012, 12:12:56 AM
gigavps, I had in mind that screenshots worth nothing because they can't prove anything.

Turbor, do not shout at me. You are also in my potential scammers list now. Good luck. 8)

You put people in your "potential scammers" list for disagreeing with you?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on February 26, 2012, 12:22:24 AM
gigavps, I had in mind that screenshots worth nothing because they can't prove anything.

lzsaver, if you read the entire OP, you will see that I provide video and photos, one of which is an screen cap of cgminer. This was required to collect the bounty.

If this is not evidence enough for you, please ignore this thread and certainly don't purchase a single.

More for me i guess!  ;D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Pipesnake on February 26, 2012, 12:57:34 AM
BFL told me that their initial production run of Rig Boxes is already sold out..!
Now this is really getting interesting...


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SgtSpike on February 26, 2012, 12:57:44 AM
So, anyone else received theirs?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: Unacceptable on February 26, 2012, 01:26:36 AM
;D :o Freakin AWESOME :o ;D

Now I can get to ordering mine ;D

How hard was it to setup the mining software?? I use Win7 & GUIminer for my GPU's,is it similar??

Any way to see the software being setup live??

I'm not a software guru BTW :'(

Does the power adapter come with it or did you have to order it seperatly from them??

Thanks gigavps 8)

You probably got excited & missed my post :'(

Can you enlighten me??

Thanks gigavps  ;D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SysRun on February 26, 2012, 04:16:36 AM
do you know how to use cgminer?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Unacceptable on February 26, 2012, 05:14:29 AM
do you know how to use cgminer?

Nope,but I'll learn  ;D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BinaryMage on February 26, 2012, 07:01:21 AM
do you know how to use cgminer?

Nope,but I'll learn  ;D

Don't worry; it isn't that hard.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Turbor on February 26, 2012, 07:54:28 AM
Turbor, do not shout at me. You are also in my potential scammers list now. Good luck. 8)

 :D it's best you stay away from BFL products. And don't say something is worth nothing just because you have no idea. Now keep mining at deepbit with your GPUs ;D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Unacceptable on February 26, 2012, 08:01:12 AM
do you know how to use cgminer?

Nope,but I'll learn  ;D

Don't worry; it isn't that hard.

Thanks :D

Is there a video tutorial,I just DL'ed cgminer & I'm lost already :-[

The only thing I do in CMD is tracert's ???


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Unacceptable on February 26, 2012, 08:38:03 AM
Ok,I keep getting:

Pool 0 slow/down or URL or credentials invalid

I'm mining on deepbit,where is the "url" I need ???

All I find is BBcode or setup for momchills,diablo,ufasoft or phoenix miners ???

God,I'm slow to learn ::)

I'm planning on getting a few BFL rigs & really need to learn this 8)

Sorry for going off topic :'(

P.S. I got it going,was using login instead of "worker" ID, ::)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: uck on February 26, 2012, 08:47:01 AM
are you using   -o http://deepbit.net:8332  -u your emailloginaddress_workername -p password    ?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Unacceptable on February 26, 2012, 09:00:50 AM
I like cgminer,once I figured out how to set it up ::)

Thanks guys!!!

Will it auto detect the FPGA miner,when I plug the usb in???


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on February 26, 2012, 03:37:21 PM
Another update!   :D

The image below is cgminer with the single single at ~88 hours of up time.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ok0jdPO2VZQ/T0pQ1nZqSMI/AAAAAAAAA1Y/clhf9usftpU/s660/cgminer-88-hours.jpg

I have tried to highlight the important parts of the screen for the uninformed. Starting from the top going left:

1) I am running cgminer 2.2.7
2) The single is averaging 810Mh/s
3) It's efficiency is 96%
4) It's submitted 59351 accepted shares


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: pirateat40 on February 26, 2012, 03:45:08 PM
gigavps, I had in mind that screenshots worth nothing because they can't prove anything.

Turbor, do not shout at me. You are also in my potential scammers list now. Good luck. 8)

LOL, and with that comment you're now on my watch list.  Good LUCK!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on February 26, 2012, 05:01:16 PM
gigavps, I had in mind that screenshots worth nothing because they can't prove anything.

Turbor, do not shout at me. You are also in my potential scammers list now. Good luck. 8)

LOL, and with that comment you're now on my watch list.  Good LUCK!

Uh oh.  ;)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on February 26, 2012, 05:02:09 PM
Another update!   :D

The image below is cgminer with the single single at ~88 hours of up time.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ok0jdPO2VZQ/T0pQ1nZqSMI/AAAAAAAAA1Y/clhf9usftpU/s660/cgminer-88-hours.jpg

I have tried to highlight the important parts of the screen for the uninformed. Starting from the top going left:

1) I am running cgminer 2.2.7
2) The single is averaging 810Mh/s
3) It's efficiency is 96%
4) It's submitted 59351 accepted shares
And don't forget that mining elsewhere is certain to get better efficiency. GPUMAX always has much higher rejects, but that isn't a problem since they pay more.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: foggyb on February 26, 2012, 05:10:13 PM

GPUMAX always has much higher rejects, but that isn't a problem since they pay more.


Maybe that used to be the case.... but it isn't now.

My 300mh/s reject rate at GPUMAX ranges from 0.3 - 0.6%, lower than any pool i have mined at.



Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Turbor on February 26, 2012, 05:19:51 PM
And don't forget that mining elsewhere is certain to get better efficiency. GPUMAX always has much higher rejects, but that isn't a problem since they pay more.

Gigas has 0.47% stale rate. That's not really bad !


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on February 26, 2012, 05:22:00 PM
And don't forget that mining elsewhere is certain to get better efficiency. GPUMAX always has much higher rejects, but that isn't a problem since they pay more.

Gigas has 0.47% stale rate. That's not really bad !
Hmm, maybe its my connection. I consistently get better numbers when I go direct to Slush's pool. Could be TWC having some retarded routing path.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 27, 2012, 01:45:02 AM
I have not been following this all that closely but is there more than jut one of these in the wild? (not counting Inaba's)

I think the only ones reported are giga and Inaba. 


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on February 27, 2012, 01:52:05 AM
I have not been following this all that closely but is there more than jut one of these in the wild? (not counting Inaba's)

I think the only ones reported are giga and Inaba. 
Reportedly Luke-jr has his in hand as well.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: legolouman on February 27, 2012, 01:57:54 AM
I am slightly confused tho,  Fedex tracking info but the box showed Priority Mail from USPS.  Which was it?
Fedex doesn't give a shit what kind of boxes you use.

A little off topic, but now I don't get to see you (rjk) eat his GPU rigs


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (send me my bounty!)
Post by: rjk on February 27, 2012, 03:13:55 AM
I am slightly confused tho,  Fedex tracking info but the box showed Priority Mail from USPS.  Which was it?
Fedex doesn't give a shit what kind of boxes you use.

A little off topic, but now I don't get to see you (rjk) eat his GPU rigs
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53530.msg763484#msg763484

Damn good thing, they were expensive! (See the sig :P)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SgtSpike on February 27, 2012, 06:36:26 PM
I'm a bit concerned that no one else has theirs yet.  Anyone who bought 10 of them get them yet?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Epoch on February 27, 2012, 07:15:14 PM
I'm a bit concerned that no one else has theirs yet.  Anyone who bought 10 of them get them yet?

Yes, it is interesting that there are no other confirmed reports of 'regular customers' (like gigavps) having received their orders since, apparently, BFL has been shipping them out for the past 7 days. One would expect many people would have received their shipments already. If they have, they are not talking.

jjdebug (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.msg770964#msg770964 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.msg770964#msg770964)) said that he received an email from BFL saying his Singles (plural) would ship this week; but I don't know when he placed it.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jddebug on February 28, 2012, 02:01:06 AM
I'm a bit concerned that no one else has theirs yet.  Anyone who bought 10 of them get them yet?

Yes, it is interesting that there are no other confirmed reports of 'regular customers' (like gigavps) having received their orders since, apparently, BFL has been shipping them out for the past 7 days. One would expect many people would have received their shipments already. If they have, they are not talking.

jjdebug (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.msg770964#msg770964 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.msg770964#msg770964)) said that he received an email from BFL saying his Singles (plural) would ship this week; but I don't know when he placed it.


I placed my order mid november. I ordered 10. If I get mine this week or early next week I will take a picture of them all. I live in Alaska. Hoping that heat won't be a problem here. :) I am concerned about whether they will work on my Mac though.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Epoch on February 28, 2012, 02:06:39 AM
I'm a bit concerned that no one else has theirs yet.  Anyone who bought 10 of them get them yet?
Yes, it is interesting that there are no other confirmed reports of 'regular customers' (like gigavps) having received their orders since, apparently, BFL has been shipping them out for the past 7 days. One would expect many people would have received their shipments already. If they have, they are not talking.

jjdebug (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.msg770964#msg770964 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.msg770964#msg770964)) said that he received an email from BFL saying his Singles (plural) would ship this week; but I don't know when he placed it.
I placed my order mid november. I ordered 10. If I get mine this week or early next week I will take a picture of them all. I live in Alaska. Hoping that heat won't be a problem here. :) I am concerned about whether they will work on my Mac though.
Ok, thanks for that. rjk has placed an order a bit earlier, November 5, and he still hasn't received his. Actually fred0 ordered 2 in October and they haven't shipped yet either. That's the earliest order I am aware of. I'm guessing gigavps placed his first order in October, but BFL's first run of batch of chips were enough to make ~50 Singles. They shipped one to gigavps over a week ago ... so where are the other 49?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: fred0 on February 28, 2012, 02:18:27 AM
I'm a bit concerned that no one else has theirs yet.  Anyone who bought 10 of them get them yet?
Yes, it is interesting that there are no other confirmed reports of 'regular customers' (like gigavps) having received their orders since, apparently, BFL has been shipping them out for the past 7 days. One would expect many people would have received their shipments already. If they have, they are not talking.

jjdebug (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.msg770964#msg770964 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.msg770964#msg770964)) said that he received an email from BFL saying his Singles (plural) would ship this week; but I don't know when he placed it.
I placed my order mid november. I ordered 10. If I get mine this week or early next week I will take a picture of them all. I live in Alaska. Hoping that heat won't be a problem here. :) I am concerned about whether they will work on my Mac though.
Ok, thanks for that. rjk has placed an order a bit earlier, November 5, and he still hasn't received his. Actually fred0 ordered 2 in October and they haven't shipped yet either. That's the earliest order I am aware of. I'm guessing gigavps placed his first order in October, but BFL's first run of batch of chips were enough to make ~50 Singles. They shipped one to gigavps over a week ago ... so where are the other 49?
I think that the mods made are all by hand and it's just taking more time than expected to get the units in shipping condition.  
[Wild Speculation]
There also maybe defects that we are as yet unaware.  Rather than ship these units knowing of a possible problem, Sonny is minimizing any user exposure to possibly problematic units until he resolves the issue.
[/Wild Speculation]
Just got the tracking number! Sonny reads forum posts!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: P_Shep on February 28, 2012, 02:48:20 AM
What's the size of the power socket on that thing?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BFL-Engineer on February 28, 2012, 10:05:59 AM
What's the size of the power socket on that thing?

The power-jack is 5.5 Outer-Diameter, 2.5 Inner-Diameter. Outer cylinder is ground and
inner core is +12V (Acceptable range: 10V to 14V).


Regards,


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BFL-Engineer on February 28, 2012, 10:14:51 AM
I'm a bit concerned that no one else has theirs yet.  Anyone who bought 10 of them get them yet?

Yes, it is interesting that there are no other confirmed reports of 'regular customers' (like gigavps) having received their orders since, apparently, BFL has been shipping them out for the past 7 days. One would expect many people would have received their shipments already. If they have, they are not talking.

jjdebug (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.msg770964#msg770964 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.msg770964#msg770964)) said that he received an email from BFL saying his Singles (plural) would ship this week; but I don't know when he placed it.


I placed my order mid november. I ordered 10. If I get mine this week or early next week I will take a picture of them all. I live in Alaska. Hoping that heat won't be a problem here. :) I am concerned about whether they will work on my Mac though.


Working on Mac should not be a problem. Mac is UNIX compliant and as far as cgminer or ufasoft compiles on it, then
using BitFORCE singles shouldn't be any problem at all. Once connected, the BitFORCE will appear as a ttyUSB which
is standard on all UNIX and LINUX based systems. We haven't tested it on Mac, however, the USB chip is Mac OSX
compliant and should work without problem.


Regards,





Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: cypherdoc on February 28, 2012, 01:20:15 PM
What's the size of the power socket on that thing?

The power-jack is 5.5 Outer-Diameter, 2.5 Inner-Diameter. Outer cylinder is ground and
inner core is +12V (Acceptable range: 10V to 14V).


Regards,

What is your current estimated delivery time?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jddebug on February 28, 2012, 04:38:48 PM
I'm a bit concerned that no one else has theirs yet.  Anyone who bought 10 of them get them yet?

Yes, it is interesting that there are no other confirmed reports of 'regular customers' (like gigavps) having received their orders since, apparently, BFL has been shipping them out for the past 7 days. One would expect many people would have received their shipments already. If they have, they are not talking.

jjdebug (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.msg770964#msg770964 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.msg770964#msg770964)) said that he received an email from BFL saying his Singles (plural) would ship this week; but I don't know when he placed it.


I placed my order mid november. I ordered 10. If I get mine this week or early next week I will take a picture of them all. I live in Alaska. Hoping that heat won't be a problem here. :) I am concerned about whether they will work on my Mac though.


Working on Mac should not be a problem. Mac is UNIX compliant and as far as cgminer or ufasoft compiles on it, then
using BitFORCE singles shouldn't be any problem at all. Once connected, the BitFORCE will appear as a ttyUSB which
is standard on all UNIX and LINUX based systems. We haven't tested it on Mac, however, the USB chip is Mac OSX
compliant and should work without problem.


Regards,





Well, once my singles arrive I'll figure it out. I have PC's too so one way or another I'll get them going.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Epoch on February 28, 2012, 05:04:54 PM
What's the size of the power socket on that thing?

The power-jack is 5.5 Outer-Diameter, 2.5 Inner-Diameter. Outer cylinder is ground and
inner core is +12V (Acceptable range: 10V to 14V).

How long is the outer cylinder (13mm, 14mm, 15mm?)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BFL-Engineer on February 28, 2012, 07:02:56 PM
What's the size of the power socket on that thing?

The power-jack is 5.5 Outer-Diameter, 2.5 Inner-Diameter. Outer cylinder is ground and
inner core is +12V (Acceptable range: 10V to 14V).

How long is the outer cylinder (13mm, 14mm, 15mm?)


The jack is 12mm.


Regards,


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Glasswalker on February 28, 2012, 07:48:29 PM
Anyone who's ordered recently have any info on their order yet? I ordered 7 Singles, and am still waiting on the email with basic order confirmation/order number and to send payment info. (I had thought that kind of thing would be an automated email, but I was apparently mistaken)

Something like an automated "Here's your order number, thanks for your order, please send payment via method X to recipient Y with a note of your order number, note we are currently working on batch Z right now, which is expected in ???? weeks lead time. Note this is only an estimate" would be an awesome automated response. Would let people feel much better about orders placed rather than random silence. And honestly shouldn't be difficult at all to implement.

One would think they would be eager to process orders and take money at least ;)

I'm not trying to be a jackass, just trying to check in on info from any sources available (also emailed sonny, and used the web contact form an hour or two after placing my order to follow up).

I used to own a sales/import/export/distribution business, and I know how much of a nightmare it can be if you're understaffed. But that doesn't change the fact that people need to know what's going on. So if you can't keep up with contacts manually, at least provide an automated method to fetch limited info.

Also is the current expectation that they are meeting the 4-6 weeks on current orders? (I see lots of quotes of long order lead time, but those are all historical orders being shipped in the first batch at this point right?)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jothan on February 29, 2012, 02:42:13 AM
Anyone who's ordered recently have any info on their order yet? I ordered 7 Singles, and am still waiting on the email with basic order confirmation/order number and to send payment info. (I had thought that kind of thing would be an automated email, but I was apparently mistaken)

Something like an automated "Here's your order number, thanks for your order, please send payment via method X to recipient Y with a note of your order number, note we are currently working on batch Z right now, which is expected in ???? weeks lead time. Note this is only an estimate" would be an awesome automated response. Would let people feel much better about orders placed rather than random silence. And honestly shouldn't be difficult at all to implement.

One would think they would be eager to process orders and take money at least ;)

I'm not trying to be a jackass, just trying to check in on info from any sources available (also emailed sonny, and used the web contact form an hour or two after placing my order to follow up).

I used to own a sales/import/export/distribution business, and I know how much of a nightmare it can be if you're understaffed. But that doesn't change the fact that people need to know what's going on. So if you can't keep up with contacts manually, at least provide an automated method to fetch limited info.

Also is the current expectation that they are meeting the 4-6 weeks on current orders? (I see lots of quotes of long order lead time, but those are all historical orders being shipped in the first batch at this point right?)

Amen, bro. I used to work in customer service and BFL should sure use a hand or coaching on that front.

Their products are great, but the customer-as-an-investor mentality and the lead time are killers. A little investing on those fronts would make BFL go from ok to GREAT.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 29, 2012, 02:56:10 AM
Just got my tracking number for one of my units (I ordered one very early, and one a couple of months later).  I was given the option to have the earlier one sent first and the second later on (which I took) or wait and have them both sent out at the later time, so they're absolutely respecting the order queue.

As for the customer service stuff, I know it can be frustrating waiting for a reply, but know that they've been extremely responsive right up until the units were finalised.  I don't think they're a huge operation and from what I gather it's just all systems go trying to build units and get them sent out to satisfy all pre-orders) and hence quieten down the rabble on this forum.  Unfortunately that's taken focus off new orders I guess, but that's just the price you pay for waiting to order (not that there's anything wrong with that, not everyone is willing to take the risk of pre-ordering an unproven product).

I'd suggest everyone just try and chill a little, and no doubt they'll get back to you when they get some breathing room.   As long as you've sent your order through (even if you haven't paid) I assume you'll have your place in the queue.



Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: tarrant_01 on February 29, 2012, 03:04:32 AM
Also keep in mind any and all delays in emails is a gooooooood thing.  It means that they are all working hard at building the units. My confirmation took about 4 or 5 days to get after ordering.  I ordered the day inaba got his (probably a lot of people did).


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Glasswalker on February 29, 2012, 04:17:04 AM
All understood of course. And if it came down to a choice "email OR fulfill orders for paid customers" that's a no brainer. They should fulfill orders.

I guess what I'm saying is that it shouldn't BE a choice. They should either have thought about putting at least mild levels of automation (not hard at all to do) into their order process so paying customers got something other than complete silence for days on end (which is not considered part of the acceptible norm for online ordering/ecommerce). Or they should pay a minimum wage lackey to just give canned responses to emails to let people know. Hell setting up an auto-responder on the mailbox that lets people know "Hey we're fulfilling orders as fast as we can right now, please bare with us for another week and we'll get back to you" would go a long way towards this end. The PURE silence is the part that's driving some people nuts.

I've been in their shoes, fulfilling high customer demand, lots of orders, with a very small (2-3 bodies) workforce, to the point where I was working 80hrs a week. But I still ensured I was handling customer service ;)

Anyway, not trying to be a jackass as I said, but I have to ask the questions, I've got shareholders to answer to for the $5K of their money we are trying to spend on BFL gear. It's not just my own personal interest I'm asking for.

On a lighter note, I do want to say congrats to them for getting a great product out the door, and I can definitely understand the level of stress they are under right now. It's not an easy job and I don't envy them for it ;) (that's why I ultimately sold the business I had of that nature, after 2 years it was just taking up WAY too much time)

Here's to looking forward to my order confirmation I guess.

edit: fixed my typo "80 hours a day" changed to "80 hours a week"... I was tired lol...


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Inspector 2211 on February 29, 2012, 04:36:43 AM
I've been in their shoes, fulfilling high customer demand, lots of orders, with a very small (2-3 bodies) workforce, to the point where I was working 80hrs a day. But I still ensured I was handling customer service ;)

Wow. 80 hours a day. My old boss used to say, "the day has 24 hours and if that's not enough, work through the night, too", but 80 hours a day, that definitely takes the cake.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Glasswalker on February 29, 2012, 04:39:29 AM
lmao, I'm tired... I meant 80 hours a week. I'll edit the original post ;)

Thanks for the heads up :)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Brunic on February 29, 2012, 04:48:59 AM
Their products are great, but the customer-as-an-investor mentality and the lead time are killers. A little investing on those fronts would make BFL go from ok to GREAT.

Half the forums believed this to be a scam (me included) because of their abysmal launch/customer service/broken promises. They need more than a little investing on those fronts. The problem is not about their product, it's about everything else of their business. Their great product keeps them afloat, and I hope for them that they can correct this situation. Because if they keep this lack of structure and communication, it could kill their business.

As for myself, even if their product is great, I'm certainly not buying it right now. I believe in the "sell small, get bigger" model more than in the "sell crazy, patch after" model.



Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 29, 2012, 06:06:33 AM
With their customer service, they will go down the tube once the competition shows up to play the ball.

Unless they have designed and manufactured their own waffers, they have no competitive advantage. 
Price is not competitive, customer service and marketing are nowhere to be found.

They only stay in this "mining business" because there is no competition.



Uh-huh, and where are all the other companies offering a comparable product?    Sure it may happen in the future, but first people will need to work out what chips are being used and then get hold of some. 

You first ;)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 29, 2012, 06:26:25 AM
On a related note, I just bought a RaspberryPi, so when that arrives (could be a while yet) I'll certainly try hooking up the BitForce to it :)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: runeks on March 04, 2012, 03:15:11 PM
On a related note, I just bought a RaspberryPi, so when that arrives (could be a while yet) I'll certainly try hooking up the BitForce to it :)
Please do create a thread on this when you do, pretty please! :) My original plan when I ordered a Single (before I got cold feet and cancelled my order) was to hook it up to a 5 watt ARM system. Seems like the optimal solution to me, and nothing should prevent it from being possible as far as I can see. I'm not sure if cgminer has been compiled for ARM yet, but I read about someone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28402.msg528573#msg528573) running cgminer on a PowerPC CPU with a few modifications, which - as far as I can tell - have been merged into main cgminer.

EDIT: It does work: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60257.msg776005#msg776005
I think if it works on MIPSel it'll work on ARM too.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on March 04, 2012, 08:12:19 PM
On a related note, I just bought a RaspberryPi, so when that arrives (could be a while yet) I'll certainly try hooking up the BitForce to it :)
Please do create a thread on this when you do, pretty please! :)

You know it :)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Glasswalker on March 04, 2012, 09:46:08 PM
This is a post I just made on the Bitcoin Syndicate thread as well, but thought it should be posted here also for those of you also waiting on info from Butterfly Labs.

You can see the full thread, along with our shareholder poll to make a decision going forward here:

http://forum.btcsyn.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=37

Here are the full emails:

Here's the email I Sent them:

Code:
Hello, I recently placed an order for 7 Singles. I now have funds for my second batch of 7+ Singles as well, and have yet to even hear back from you about the first order (with even a simple automated response with an order number, or anything).

I require a response immediately. As I have shareholders to answer to. Without further response, I may be forced to cancel my order and go with an alternate option.

There is much speculation in the community that you are either:
A) A scam (admittedly an intricate one)
B) Incompetent at running your business.
C) Just badly overworked, and a nice new startup that wants to do good for the community, and provide a great product.

But C is definitely loosing that race.

I've been in your shoes before, doing a massive import/fulfillment/manufacturing business on minimal staff (1-3 people at most). And having customers banging down my door with orders, and questions, and QC problems, and support questions, all while trying to fulfill orders.

But the lack of any response when there are DOZENS of simple ways you could alleviate it with minimal effort is unacceptable. You could add an auto-responder to your email. You could have your website automate order confirmations with minimal work, if you're taking in that many orders that you have been able to do nothing else but that (not even answer emails) for over a week now, then you are likely doing enough sales to justify a minimum wage student for a couple hours a day to answer emails. (unless your significantly underpricing your product, in which case we go back to B above).

Ultimately you need to do something to re-assure people. Waiting a week or more for a simple order confirmation for people looking to give you money is unacceptable. Period.

I really wanted to see you guys succeed, and hoped your products would pan out, as you have the best price/performance out there. I was excited, and looking forward to getting my Singles (and in the future hopefully a Rig or two). But I can't wait months with money tied up waiting on you guys. That same money could be put to an alternative, and could easily make up for the performance difference in the time I'm spending waiting with it idle.

Also as I said, I have shareholders to answer to, and this isn't entirely my decision.

So don't disappoint me here, please respond ASAP and let me know what's going on (and do yourself a favor and do SOMETHING to solve the black hole of customer service you have right now, to restore the communities faith in you).

Thanks.

- Paul
CEO of the Bitcoin Syndicate

And their response:

Code:
Hi Paul, I appreciate your comments.  I really do.  It's a special sort of pain knowing  our customers wait and wonder.  

However, the rush of emails and contact attempts simply overwhelmed us and we had to make a difficult choice.    Production or PR.  We're schedule to dedicate some time to catching up on our email this week and it's my hope that our customers will find the means to accept our apology for the radio silence.  Certainly our original customers may as it means they get their units.

Please stand by, we'll resume normal communication within the next couple days.

Kind regards,
Sonny K
BF Labs Inc.

PS.  Feel free to share my comment with anyone else you know would be comforted by it.

I've informed them that the poll is in effect, and that they have until monday to respond and possibly sway the vote in their favor. But they have to answer several questions, and provide a guaranteed ship date in that email. Hopefully I'll get another response.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Glasswalker on March 04, 2012, 09:50:53 PM
Got another response back from Sonny at BFL to my questions. Seems I've got his attention now (he put my questions inline):

Code:
Hi Paul,

Not to make your customer service experience any worse...  but this is a good example of the immediate difficulty.  Email inquiries turn into ongoing conversations with several rounds of followup. 

In any case, you have my attention and I'll do my best to answer your questions.
 
- What revision (Rev1? Rev2? Rev3?) will our order be?

New orders at this point will be getting Rev3.  Rev 3 has a proprietary heat pipe thermal solution which comes out of manufacture 2 weeks from now.  Rev 3 also uses a few different parts all of which reduce heat generation or increase heat tolerance which are already on Rev 2 boards.  A bottom fan is used in Rev 1 & Rev 2...  and may or may not be used on Rev 3 depending on tests.
 
- What date can you guarantee shipping by for our order?

4-6 weeks from the date of payment.  Now that we're in production, the timelines are much tighter, so earlier may be possible, but please assume 4-6 weeks at this point.
 
- Can we increase our order in size, now that we have our second wave of growth budget available?

You can only increase order size via new orders.  We can't retroactively increase volume on orders as it would impact others.
 
- Considering we're looking at buying 15+ units, can you do something to help us out due to the inconvenience? (a small discount, or a free Single unit, which would be less than a 7% discount which is not unreasonable I think). In this one time case due to the circumstances.

I wish I could help you there, Paul but in all likely hood we'll probably be increasing the price of the units as we get the time to focus on increasing their performance.   

- I'll leave it at that, and I hope you guys start to see the light. As I said I've been there, and know what your saying, but going forward, PLEASE look into some automation to stop this from happening again ;)

I've also been on your side and share your concern about the agony of crap response time.  I can assure you it's not an accurate refection of the way we run our company.  I trust you'll happily agree in due course.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on March 04, 2012, 09:57:35 PM
Got another response back from Sonny at BFL to my questions. Seems I've got his attention now (he put my questions inline):

I hope this helps to quell some concerns regarding their strategy.

IMHO they are doing the right thing by delivering for the people who believed in them (and paid) BEFORE proof was provided.

Can't wait to get my other 10!  ;D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: TheOriginalMyth on March 04, 2012, 10:03:30 PM
Its good to see that they have replied to at least some people, I wish i had the money to buy a few (Dam you university)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on March 05, 2012, 01:49:42 AM

I require a response immediately. As I have shareholders to answer to. Without further response, I may be forced to cancel my order and go with an alternate option.


Might have been an idea to not setup your GLBSE thingo and attract a bunch of shareholders before you had the product in hand...


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: fizzisist on March 05, 2012, 02:28:51 AM

I require a response immediately. As I have shareholders to answer to. Without further response, I may be forced to cancel my order and go with an alternate option.


Might have been an idea to not setup your GLBSE thingo and attract a bunch of shareholders before you had the product in hand...

Isn't that the point of GLBSE? To raise the capitol, then buy whatever it is you raised it for?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Glasswalker on March 05, 2012, 02:32:45 AM

I require a response immediately. As I have shareholders to answer to. Without further response, I may be forced to cancel my order and go with an alternate option.


Might have been an idea to not setup your GLBSE thingo and attract a bunch of shareholders before you had the product in hand...

Actually that was the point... (building up investment capital in order to order the additional mining hardware above what we already have in the first place)... If I had the money to buy the additional mining hardware myself, why would I need to raise investment capital?

Also, the original plan was not to buy BFL gear. it was to buy FPGAs, but all decisions are essentially brought to a vote. Shareholders voted to buy the BFL gear based on the last minute news that they were in the wild and would now be able to meet 4-6 week leadtimes.

During that 1-2 day period BFL was extremely responsive (answering most emails within 20min at most) but once we placed an order they fell suddenly silent, and have been for well over a week now.

That's why I sent the strongly worded email. (looking after the best interest of my shareholders).


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SysRun on March 05, 2012, 03:39:30 AM

now be able to meet 4-6 week leadtimes.


;D




Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RandyFolds on March 05, 2012, 03:40:15 AM

I require a response immediately. As I have shareholders to answer to. Without further response, I may be forced to cancel my order and go with an alternate option.


Might have been an idea to not setup your GLBSE thingo and attract a bunch of shareholders before you had the product in hand...

Wait, so BFL can do it and you white knight the shit out of it, but this guy does it and it's reprehensible?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on March 05, 2012, 05:25:23 AM

I require a response immediately. As I have shareholders to answer to. Without further response, I may be forced to cancel my order and go with an alternate option.


Might have been an idea to not setup your GLBSE thingo and attract a bunch of shareholders before you had the product in hand...

Isn't that the point of GLBSE? To raise the capitol, then buy whatever it is you raised it for?

I dunno actually, I've never looked at GLBSE.  That does make sense though :)  Epic Rolo fail :D

Apologies for that Glasswalker.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: kjlimo on March 05, 2012, 06:26:47 AM
I was really expecting the (confirmed) # in the wild to increase to more than 3 by the end of this weekend... but I guess not.

Question:  The singles can be "stacked," yes?  As in you can plug the USB from one into another single black box, so that only one USB port is needed on the computer running them?

I thought I read that somewhere...


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: triplehelix on March 05, 2012, 06:38:12 AM
I was really expecting the (confirmed) # in the wild to increase to more than 3 by the end of this weekend... but I guess not.

Question:  The singles can be "stacked," yes?  As in you can plug the USB from one into another single black box, so that only one USB port is needed on the computer running them?

I thought I read that somewhere...

i know you can hook up to 100 (that's what was quoted) using multiple USB hubs attached to 1 USB port, but i haven't seen anything about daisy chaining them.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: kjlimo on March 05, 2012, 06:40:57 AM
I was really expecting the (confirmed) # in the wild to increase to more than 3 by the end of this weekend... but I guess not.

Question:  The singles can be "stacked," yes?  As in you can plug the USB from one into another single black box, so that only one USB port is needed on the computer running them?

I thought I read that somewhere...

i know you can hook up to 100 (that's what was quoted) using multiple USB hubs attached to 1 USB port, but i haven't seen anything about daisy chaining them.

I just reread the website description and that makes sense.  Can't wait for mine to be shippped!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Glasswalker on March 05, 2012, 01:40:32 PM
I dunno actually, I've never looked at GLBSE.  That does make sense though :)  Epic Rolo fail :D

Apologies for that Glasswalker.

No worries, thanks for taking the time to apologize! :)



Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BFL-Engineer on March 05, 2012, 01:45:05 PM
I was really expecting the (confirmed) # in the wild to increase to more than 3 by the end of this weekend... but I guess not.

Question:  The singles can be "stacked," yes?  As in you can plug the USB from one into another single black box, so that only one USB port is needed on the computer running them?

I thought I read that somewhere...

To connect multiple USB devices to the same port, you need a HUB. A HUB has one port going to your
PC, and 7 or 12 or 20, etc ports available on itself. You can later connect other USB devices to those
expansion ports, or use all of those ports except one of them, and connect another HUB to that one
available port. This cycle can be repeated until a total of 127 Devices are connected to PCs USB port.
(Note that HUBs are counted as a device too, so best effiency is gaind when using less number of
HUBs who has more expansion ports on them).


Regards,


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: pieppiep on March 05, 2012, 01:57:45 PM
I was really expecting the (confirmed) # in the wild to increase to more than 3 by the end of this weekend... but I guess not.

Question:  The singles can be "stacked," yes?  As in you can plug the USB from one into another single black box, so that only one USB port is needed on the computer running them?

I thought I read that somewhere...

To connect multiple USB devices to the same port, you need a HUB. A HUB has one port going to your
PC, and 7 or 12 or 20, etc ports available on itself. You can later connect other USB devices to those
expansion ports, or use all of those ports except one of them, and connect another HUB to that one
available port. This cycle can be repeated until a total of 127 Devices are connected to PCs USB port.
(Note that HUBs are counted as a device too, so best effiency is gaind when using less number of
HUBs who has more expansion ports on them).


Regards,
True, but the chain can only be 5 hubs long.
So if you have 20 5port hubs, connect one to the pc, then connect 5 of them to the first one, then connect the last 16 to the 5.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: fred0 on March 05, 2012, 03:01:58 PM
I was really expecting the (confirmed) # in the wild to increase to more than 3 by the end of this weekend... but I guess not.

Question:  The singles can be "stacked," yes?  As in you can plug the USB from one into another single black box, so that only one USB port is needed on the computer running them?
I thought I read that somewhere...
To connect multiple USB devices to the same port, you need a HUB. A HUB has one port going to your
PC, and 7 or 12 or 20, etc ports available on itself. You can later connect other USB devices to those
expansion ports, or use all of those ports except one of them, and connect another HUB to that one
available port. This cycle can be repeated until a total of 127 Devices are connected to PCs USB port.
(Note that HUBs are counted as a device too, so best effiency is gaind when using less number of
HUBs who has more expansion ports on them
).
True, but the chain can only be 5 hubs long.
So if you have 20 5port hubs, connect one to the pc, then connect 5 of them to the first one, then connect the last 16 to the 5.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10307&cs_id=1030702&p_id=6436&seq=1&format=2

Currently using this for my one single. It would be nice to fill it up with singles.  


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Blackasaurus on March 05, 2012, 03:06:20 PM
someone just posted this:
http://bensoutlet.com/products/titan-10-port
10 usb ports - currently $10 (some kind of daily deal) for those looking for a hub :)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: TheOriginalMyth on March 06, 2012, 01:29:46 AM
someone just posted this:
http://bensoutlet.com/products/titan-10-port
10 usb ports - currently $10 (some kind of daily deal) for those looking for a hub :)

 >:( Silly Americans and their awesome deals, any Canadians know of something similar for that great of a price?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 06, 2012, 02:03:14 AM
Howdy trolls, I got my tracking number. Will confirm delivery by the end of the week.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on March 06, 2012, 02:04:49 AM
Howdy trolls, I got my tracking number. Will confirm delivery by the end of the week.

LOL!   ;D

Couldn't have happened to a better person.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on March 06, 2012, 03:42:43 AM
If anyone in Chicago wants to go to the USPS International Sorting Center and kick all the staff in the nuts, that'd be great :)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Inspector 2211 on March 06, 2012, 03:56:36 AM
Howdy trolls, I got my tracking number. Will confirm delivery by the end of the week.

May I ask when you ordered it?
Thanks.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SysRun on March 06, 2012, 04:58:20 AM
Howdy trolls, I got my tracking number. Will confirm delivery by the end of the week.

Order date?

<edit> oops... May I ask when you ordered it... also?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 06, 2012, 03:22:40 PM
Howdy trolls, I got my tracking number. Will confirm delivery by the end of the week.

May I ask when you ordered it?
Thanks.

Howdy trolls, I got my tracking number. Will confirm delivery by the end of the week.

Order date?

<edit> oops... May I ask when you ordered it... also?

Nov. 5th. 2011


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Inspector 2211 on March 06, 2012, 03:25:45 PM
Howdy trolls, I got my tracking number. Will confirm delivery by the end of the week.

May I ask when you ordered it?
Thanks.

Howdy trolls, I got my tracking number. Will confirm delivery by the end of the week.

Order date?

<edit> oops... May I ask when you ordered it... also?

Nov. 5th. 2011

So, in other words, that puts you at the lower end of the promised "4 to 6 months" delivery window - oh, wait...


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 06, 2012, 03:27:01 PM
Nov. 5th. 2011

So, in other words, that puts you at the lower end of the promised "4 to 6 months" delivery window - oh, wait...
You seem to be angry. Have a joint and calm down, I don't mind the slight delay ;D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Glasswalker on March 06, 2012, 05:01:33 PM
I'll just leave this here as eye candy for you guys ;)

http://www.btcsyn.com/pics/Single-BurnRack-3.JPG

(was just sent this by BFL via email, pic of their burn-in/testing rack right now)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 06, 2012, 05:02:26 PM
I'll just leave this here as eye candy for you guys ;)

http://www.btcsyn.com/pics/Single-BurnRack-3.JPG

(was just sent this by BFL via email, pic of their burn-in/testing rack right now)
Saved to pr0n folder.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: bulanula on March 06, 2012, 05:13:37 PM
I'll just leave this here as eye candy for you guys ;)

http://www.btcsyn.com/pics/Single-BurnRack-3.JPG

(was just sent this by BFL via email, pic of their burn-in/testing rack right now)

Real strange.

I have exactly the same type of rack ( only different polish on surface ).

Is this in the UK / EU or they have exactly the same racks in the US ???



Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SgtSpike on March 06, 2012, 05:51:27 PM
We have those racks at my workplace (US).  So yeah, suppose it's a worldwide phenomenon.  :P


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: bulanula on March 06, 2012, 05:57:03 PM
We have those racks at my workplace (US).  So yeah, suppose it's a worldwide phenomenon.  :P

OK. Maybe a coincidence.

I still am looking for that Rig Box. ;D

Maybe some pictures of just the case so we can establish a scale or imagine how big it will be etc. ???


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on March 06, 2012, 06:01:56 PM
We have those racks at my workplace (US).  So yeah, suppose it's a worldwide phenomenon.  :P

OK. Maybe a coincidence.

I still am looking for that Rig Box. ;D

Maybe some pictures of just the case so we can establish a scale or imagine how big it will be etc. ???

Don't worry, I'll post some pics when they arrive.  ;D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: bulanula on March 06, 2012, 06:03:07 PM
We have those racks at my workplace (US).  So yeah, suppose it's a worldwide phenomenon.  :P

OK. Maybe a coincidence.

I still am looking for that Rig Box. ;D

Maybe some pictures of just the case so we can establish a scale or imagine how big it will be etc. ???

Don't worry, I'll post some pics when they arrive.  ;D

You ordered more than 1 :o


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 06, 2012, 06:03:42 PM
We have those racks at my workplace (US).  So yeah, suppose it's a worldwide phenomenon.  :P

OK. Maybe a coincidence.

I still am looking for that Rig Box. ;D

Maybe some pictures of just the case so we can establish a scale or imagine how big it will be etc. ???

Don't worry, I'll post some pics when they arrive.  ;D

You ordered more than 1 :o
Go big or go home! ;D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Blackasaurus on March 06, 2012, 06:56:24 PM
I'll just leave this here as eye candy for you guys ;)

http://www.btcsyn.com/pics/Single-BurnRack-3.JPG

(was just sent this by BFL via email, pic of their burn-in/testing rack right now)

@_@
Need to go change my pants


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: wogaut on March 06, 2012, 07:10:11 PM
I'll just leave this here as eye candy for you guys ;)

(was just sent this by BFL via email, pic of their burn-in/testing rack right now)

You're just being mean, man!  :P
I'd do the same  ;D

I caaaaaaaaaaaaant waaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit aaaaaaaaaaaaaany loooooooooooooooonger!

Phew, now to get on with some work, while I dream of my BFL to arrive.



Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: PulsedMedia on March 07, 2012, 01:53:37 AM
I'll just leave this here as eye candy for you guys ;)

http://www.btcsyn.com/pics/Single-BurnRack-3.JPG

(was just sent this by BFL via email, pic of their burn-in/testing rack right now)

hrrr, i still have a hard time in believing BFL is not a long con.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 07, 2012, 01:58:25 AM
I'll just leave this here as eye candy for you guys ;)

(was just sent this by BFL via email, pic of their burn-in/testing rack right now)

hrrr, i still have a hard time in believing BFL is not a long con.
hurr durr ;D all the more for me!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: TheOriginalMyth on March 07, 2012, 01:58:41 AM
I'll just leave this here as eye candy for you guys ;)

(was just sent this by BFL via email, pic of their burn-in/testing rack right now)

hrrr, i still have a hard time in believing BFL is not a long con.

Still possible (anything is) but if it is a con is a very complex one with may forum members in on the con, which seems incredible unlikely to me. Sill when your putting in this kind of money its good to be vigilant


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: dave3 on March 07, 2012, 02:46:57 AM
I'll just leave this here as eye candy for you guys ;)

(was just sent this by BFL via email, pic of their burn-in/testing rack right now)

Very cool.

I'm trying to order one, too, if they'll be willing to ship it to my freight forwarder since I'm not in the US (haven't heard back from them yet).  The last time I had something substantial shipped internationally via USPS it took 3 months to arrive (most of the time stuck in customs) and I paid significant import duties, vs. the freight forwarder that takes 2-3 weeks with no extra fees.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BlackPrapor on March 07, 2012, 11:18:08 AM
Very cool.

I'm trying to order one, too, if they'll be willing to ship it to my freight forwarder since I'm not in the US (haven't heard back from them yet).  The last time I had something substantial shipped internationally via USPS it took 3 months to arrive (most of the time stuck in customs) and I paid significant import duties, vs. the freight forwarder that takes 2-3 weeks with no extra fees.

Now that sounds like a con.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: dave3 on March 07, 2012, 11:38:51 AM
Now that sounds like a con.

I've been using the freight forwarding service for more than a year and I've had lots of stuff shipped to me.  Of course it's not free ($5.50-$8.50 per pound), but after you pay for the shipping, that's it; they handle the importing.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BlackPrapor on March 07, 2012, 11:47:52 AM
I've been using the freight forwarding service for more than a year and I've had lots of stuff shipped to me.  Of course it's not free ($5.50-$8.50 per pound), but after you pay for the shipping, that's it; they handle the importing.

Would you mind posting their web site here? Currently I'm looking for a freighter, which could efficiently get the cargo in time and clear the customs at Russia. If BFL devices are using same HS code as ZTEX'es then it should bear no duties, but who knows  ???


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: dave3 on March 07, 2012, 12:04:10 PM
Would you mind posting their web site here? Currently I'm looking for a freighter, which could efficiently get the cargo in time and clear the customs at Russia. If BFL devices are using same HS code as ZTEX'es then it should bear no duties, but who knows  ???

It's my-shoppingbox.com, but they only reship to the Philippines.

Anyway, I'm still not sure if Butterfly Labs will allow it since my paypal address doesn't match the shipping address in the US.  And I'm not sure if I'm willing to pay via wire transfer at this point in time.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BlackPrapor on March 07, 2012, 12:19:27 PM
It's my-shoppingbox.com, but they only reship to the Philippines.
Anyway, I'm still not sure if Butterfly Labs will allow it since my paypal address doesn't match the shipping address in the US.  And I'm not sure if I'm willing to pay via wire transfer at this point in time.

I'm not sure if it's allowed to change the shipping address for Paypal orders, but I think it's totally negotiable for other ways of payments, since shipping address @ Paypal is used for account verification and needed to protect participating parties from scam, for returns/claims and etc. That's how I see it anyways.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Pipesnake on March 07, 2012, 01:45:51 PM
I'll just leave this here as eye candy for you guys ;)

(was just sent this by BFL via email, pic of their burn-in/testing rack right now)

hrrr, i still have a hard time in believing BFL is not a long con.
Agreed.  This is just another little piece of bait to keep it going.

If BFL was legit this forum would be flooded with "I got my single!!" posts.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 07, 2012, 01:48:06 PM
I'll just leave this here as eye candy for you guys ;)

(was just sent this by BFL via email, pic of their burn-in/testing rack right now)

hrrr, i still have a hard time in believing BFL is not a long con.
Agreed.  This is just another little piece of bait to keep it going.

If BFL was legit this forum would be flooded with "I got my single!!" posts.
Sorry sir, your sarcasm detector is broken, rather badly. I am getting mine today, but even then as they are delivered one-by-one, people like you and goat and bulanula are still going to be moaning about how few people have turned up to evangelize them. Live with it, not everyone feels the need to post every time they get some hardware, no matter how rare it may seem to be.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: fabrizziop on March 07, 2012, 03:25:12 PM
I swear BFL accepted bitcoins for the orders, or they didn't?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SysRun on March 07, 2012, 03:27:24 PM
I'll just leave this here as eye candy for you guys ;)

(was just sent this by BFL via email, pic of their burn-in/testing rack right now)

hrrr, i still have a hard time in believing BFL is not a long con.
Agreed.  This is just another little piece of bait to keep it going.

If BFL was legit this forum would be flooded with "I got my single!!" posts.
Sorry sir, your sarcasm detector is broken, rather badly. I am getting mine today, but even then as they are delivered one-by-one, people like you and goat and bulanula are still going to be moaning about how few people have turned up to evangelize them. Live with it, not everyone feels the need to post every time they get some hardware, no matter how rare it may seem to be.

I don't think anyone who receives a single wants to advertise it... Instead, they keep quiet and order as many as they can afford.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: bombo999 on March 07, 2012, 03:28:53 PM
shhhhhhhhhh


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: bombo999 on March 07, 2012, 03:29:57 PM
I swear BFL accepted bitcoins for the orders, or they didn't?

Received from BFL:

"Processing bitcoin takes more time and incurs more value fluctuation risk.  Some customers were attempting to pay for large orders with bitcoins which obligated us to take on a currency trading responsibility so we removed the option for the time being."


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 07, 2012, 03:32:37 PM
I swear BFL accepted bitcoins for the orders, or they didn't?

Received from BFL:

"Processing bitcoin takes more time and incurs more value fluctuation risk.  Some customers were attempting to pay for large orders with bitcoins which obligated us to take on a currency trading responsibility so we removed the option for the time being."

Hint to BFL.  One word:  Bitpay

No currency risk
No trading.
No processing time or effort.

Customer pay in BTC and you get USD in your bank account in 2-3 days.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jddebug on March 07, 2012, 04:27:15 PM
I have 2 tracking numbers now.

I ordered 10 but at this time only 3 are on the way.

The first tracking number was Monday with one unit in it.

The second was Tuesday with 2 units in it.

I hope to see a tracking number each day until they have built and sent out all of mine. It seems like it must be a more labor intensive process than they were expecting.

They asked me if I would like them without the extra fan for esthetics. They said at 72F there is no throttling. The extra fan would give me more options for heat tolerance though. I opted for the extra fan. That seems like it might be their bottleneck.

I'm in Alaska and these are coming from Kansas so Friday/Saturday they should arrive.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SysRun on March 07, 2012, 05:07:28 PM
I have 2 tracking numbers now.

I ordered 10 but at this time only 3 are on the way.

The first tracking number was Monday with one unit in it.

The second was Tuesday with 2 units in it.

I hope to see a tracking number each day until they have built and sent out all of mine. It seems like it must be a more labor intensive process than they were expecting.

They asked me if I would like them without the extra fan for esthetics. They said at 72F there is no throttling. The extra fan would give me more options for heat tolerance though. I opted for the extra fan. That seems like it might be their bottleneck.

I'm in Alaska and these are coming from Kansas so Friday/Saturday they should arrive.

Order date?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: wknight on March 07, 2012, 06:59:25 PM

They asked me if I would like them without the extra fan for esthetics. They said at 72F there is no throttling. The extra fan would give me more options for heat tolerance though. I opted for the extra fan. That seems like it might be their bottleneck.


Its interesting your mentioned this as I had a feeling this was one of the delays. Quality control found that over 72 degrees can have any effect on their units. This is why they added another fan.

I am glad they are asking people for the option now. I myself will be running these in a datacenter which is 65 degree's. I would be more than happy to get my units earlier if I had to forgo my extra fan. Maybe if others are in the same boat this will allow things to speed up a bit.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: fred0 on March 07, 2012, 07:23:45 PM
I swear BFL accepted bitcoins for the orders, or they didn't?

Received from BFL:

"Processing bitcoin takes more time and incurs more value fluctuation risk.  Some customers were attempting to pay for large orders with bitcoins which obligated us to take on a currency trading responsibility so we removed the option for the time being."
Hint to BFL.  One word:  Bitpay

No currency risk
No trading.
No processing time or effort.

Customer pay in BTC and you get USD in your bank account in 2-3 days.
FYI.  https://bit-pay.com/ (https://bit-pay.com/)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RandyFolds on March 07, 2012, 09:56:02 PM
I hate to harp on this, but does anyone know the status of BFL's business registration?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on March 07, 2012, 09:57:11 PM
I hate to harp on this, but does anyone know the status of BFL's business registration?

Please take this some where else. Start your own thread if you feel this is an issue.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on March 07, 2012, 10:06:24 PM
Well mine just arrived :)



Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: PulsedMedia on March 07, 2012, 10:07:41 PM
Well mine just arrived :)

Pictures please so i can put in my order! :P


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RandyFolds on March 07, 2012, 10:10:46 PM
I hate to harp on this, but does anyone know the status of BFL's business registration?

Please take this some where else. Start your own thread if you feel this is an issue.

Fuck off, guy. I am asking a relevant question of the people who have done business with BFL.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: despoiler on March 07, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
I hate to harp on this, but does anyone know the status of BFL's business registration?

Please take this some where else. Start your own thread if you feel this is an issue.

Fuck off, guy. I am asking a relevant question of the people who have done business with BFL.

Yup in a thread that is about proving BFL singles exist and work as advertised. 


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SysRun on March 07, 2012, 10:21:00 PM
I hate to harp on this, but does anyone know the status of BFL's business registration?

Please take this some where else. Start your own thread if you feel this is an issue.

Fuck off, guy. I am asking a relevant question of the people who have done business with BFL.

It doesn't matter if they are selling out of a van down by the river as long as they keep delivering a product. Now, lets talk some more about how we're unhappy with the "handling" cost of the "shipping and handling" from BFL :P


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on March 07, 2012, 10:22:16 PM
Yeah, piss off Randy, you've had your fun.

Photos incoming PulsedMedia :)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 07, 2012, 10:34:47 PM
Fotos:

http://imgur.com/a/cALGV

https://i.imgur.com/B50GFl.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/B50GF.jpg)
Size comparison with a 5870

https://i.imgur.com/SLrlCl.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/SLrlC.jpg)
Secondary and tertiary fan and heatsinks

https://i.imgur.com/HJbNyl.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/HJbNy.jpg)
Second fan removed to show the third fan and VRM heatsinks

https://i.imgur.com/GH5cdl.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/GH5cd.jpg)
Run out of fan connectors? Use butt splices!

https://i.imgur.com/4Eu8Bl.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/4Eu8B.jpg)
Bare board in my hand for size comparison. Click on it and zoom in to see an interesting thing - a header marked "LCD"....

I need to go for now, haven't gotten it started mining. I'll be back later to post more.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on March 07, 2012, 10:38:40 PM
Here we go:

http://www.use.com/118bfe8900c119f24c3b


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: P_Shep on March 07, 2012, 10:46:13 PM
Fotos:
 . . .
Second fan removed to show the third fan and VRM heatsinks
 . . .

So they (BFL) put on that copper HS&F and extra heatsinks?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SysRun on March 07, 2012, 11:03:09 PM
Are we through the November orders yet?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: PulsedMedia on March 07, 2012, 11:13:57 PM
Thanks for the awesome photos! Exactly what i were hoping, big and detailed images :)
Now i can finally belief this ain't vaporware long con, and put in a order for a few ...


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Global BTC on March 07, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
someone just posted this:
http://bensoutlet.com/products/titan-10-port
10 usb ports - currently $10 (some kind of daily deal) for those looking for a hub :)

 >:( Silly Americans and their awesome deals, any Canadians know of something similar for that great of a price?

I'm not a Canadian, but I think I can find something for you. Have a look at my list of stuff available on Bitmit in 30 minutes. The link is in my signature.

EDIT: First hub is up:
https://bitmit.net/en/trade/i/1424-7-port-usb-2-0-hub-with-external-2a-power-supply-us-plug/pics

I'm adding more as we speak.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: fred0 on March 07, 2012, 11:21:19 PM
Are we through the November orders yet?
Definitely not!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RandyFolds on March 07, 2012, 11:33:45 PM
I hate to harp on this, but does anyone know the status of BFL's business registration?

Please take this some where else. Start your own thread if you feel this is an issue.

Fuck off, guy. I am asking a relevant question of the people who have done business with BFL.

Yup in a thread that is about proving BFL singles exist and work as advertised. 

Yup. Asking their customers, whom I would assume have the most information on them, in a discussion about their product.


It doesn't matter if they are selling out of a van down by the river as long as they keep delivering a product. Now, lets talk some more about how we're unhappy with the "handling" cost of the "shipping and handling" from BFL :P

And if they are collecting sales tax from that van down by the river regardless of where the item is shipped, it seems as if we could be discussing whether or not they are committing felonious tax fraud.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Inaba on March 07, 2012, 11:41:31 PM
Quote
And if they are collecting sales tax from that van down by the river regardless of where the item is shipped, it seems as if we could be discussing whether or not they are committing felonious tax fraud.

But, as has already been stated, we don't care.  We are interested in a working, shipping product.  Please try to understand this. I know you like to troll and harp on any subject you can, no matter how irrelevant or incorrect, but we honestly DO NOT CARE.




Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on March 07, 2012, 11:43:28 PM
I hate to harp on this, but does anyone know the status of BFL's business registration?

Please take this some where else. Start your own thread if you feel this is an issue.

Fuck off, guy. I am asking a relevant question of the people who have done business with BFL.

RandyFolds, I am glad to see you have such a strong grasp of the english language that you have nothing better to say to me than "Fuck off". I shows just how mature of an individual you are and how much you respect others.

As to your question, it was answered before in the other "Off-Topic" thread and I, along with many others, have no problems sending BFL money.

I don't know why you choose to keep harping on these non-issues, but as I said before, please take it elsewhere. The topic of the thread is about forum members proving they have received their singles. If you do not have proof of your single arriving, and don't have any money on the line, I'm not really sure why you should even care.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 07, 2012, 11:43:57 PM
Quote
And if they are collecting sales tax from that van down by the river regardless of where the item is shipped, it seems as if we could be discussing whether or not they are committing felonious tax fraud.

But, as has already been stated, we don't care.  We are interested in a working, shipping product.  Please try to understand this. I know you like to troll and harp on any subject you can, no matter how irrelevant or incorrect, but we honestly DO NOT CARE.



+1, I'd rather see all the pre-orders delivered than see all the hardware locked up in a government warehouse courtesy of Randy's gumshoe detective shit. Wait a bit willya?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Tamerz on March 07, 2012, 11:45:42 PM
And if they are collecting sales tax from that van down by the river regardless of where the item is shipped, it seems as if we could be discussing whether or not they are committing felonious tax fraud.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.msg786692#msg786692 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.msg786692#msg786692)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Global BTC on March 08, 2012, 12:02:38 AM
I've added some more multi-port hubs. I would add more, but Bitmit has an item limit for new sellers. Here are all the USB hubs I have listed now:
https://bitmit.net/en/trade/i/1391-3-port-usb-2-0-hub-with-iphone-ipad-ipod-cable-black
https://bitmit.net/en/trade/i/1392-3-port-usb-2-0-hub-with-iphone-ipad-ipod-cable-white
https://bitmit.net/en/trade/i/1424-7-port-usb-2-0-hub-with-external-2a-power-supply-us-plug
https://bitmit.net/en/trade/i/1429-7-port-usb-2-0-hub-with-on-off-switch
https://bitmit.net/en/trade/i/1428-7-port-usb-2-0-hub
https://bitmit.net/en/trade/i/1426-10-port-usb-2-0-hub-with-individual-leds-blue
https://bitmit.net/en/trade/i/1427-10-port-usb-2-0-hub-with-on-off-switch

Free shipping to anywhere in the world.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RandyFolds on March 08, 2012, 12:16:06 AM
I hate to harp on this, but does anyone know the status of BFL's business registration?

Please take this some where else. Start your own thread if you feel this is an issue.

Fuck off, guy. I am asking a relevant question of the people who have done business with BFL.

RandyFolds, I am glad to see you have such a strong grasp of the english language that you have nothing better to say to me than "Fuck off". I shows just how mature of an individual you are and how much you respect others.

As to your question, it was answered before in the other "Off-Topic" thread and I, along with many others, have no problems sending BFL money.

I don't know why you choose to keep harping on these non-issues, but as I said before, please take it elsewhere. The topic of the thread is about forum members proving they have received their singles. If you do not have proof of your single arriving, and don't have any money on the line, I'm not really sure why you should even care.

My 'fuck off' was in response to your forum policing. If you don't like my post, report it; don't shout down at me from your apparent pedestal.

It was a question, directed at those I thought may have an answer to it. People spend billions of dollars on lottery tickets each year. Just because they are willing to throw their money at a stupid venture doesn't mean they should be applauded for it. Because you and a few others are happily paying them, I can't ask a question? My question has not been answered in the other 'off-topic' thread. Had it been, I would not have repeated it here.

I'm not really sure why you bear such issue with my curiosity. I learn about all sorts of things that I have no stake in, bear no influence on my life and could care the less about every day. Did you know snooki is pregnant and engaged to jionni?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 08, 2012, 12:26:07 AM
OK so I have it mining now. I used Ufasoft because that was what was recommended, but I'll be switching to cgminer later to see how it does. On Slush's pool, I am getting anywhere from 715 to 975 Mhash/s according to Ufasoft's fairly jumpy hash meter. Probably close to 850 after some smoothing.

It was a simple plug-'n-play affair. When it is first powered up, it appears to go through a boot process, because the front LED blinks for several seconds, and then stays steady. When mining, a pair of red LEDs come on inside the case, and they blink together once very quickly each time a hash is submitted (approximately every 6 seconds).

It identifies itself to the host computer as a "BitFORCE SHA256" and has a built-in USB-to-serial converter that identifies itself as an FTDI device: FTDIBUS\COMPORT&VID_0403&PID_6014.

I can't tell how loud it really is since I am in a room with several loud servers, but the fans appear to be running at full blast and the PWM leads have been cut out, so it might be a little loud to anyone in a silent office. The airflow goes in the gap between the lower fan and the bottom of the box, and into the grilles in the side, and gets blown out the bottom and out the top like follows:

Code:
                ^
                | airflow out
                |
             _________
             | single |
             | /////  | <-- airflow in
             |________|
                        <-- airflow in
             |___fan__|

                  |
                  |>> airflow out

It runs cool, but even though there is plenty of airflow it is still possible to feel the heat coming out. According to my Kill-a-watt, the power draw is about 12 watts during startup, 22 watts during idle, and 85 watts at full burn. You can attach and detach devices without killing and restarting ufasoft - it just stops and starts hashing as you unplug and plug it in. This is cool.

I asked Sonny whether I could flash a faster bitstream if I took care of my own cooling (heatpipes, peltiers, etc), but his response was that "it's not that simple". However, he did say that any future speed upgrades would apply retroactively to previously released devices.

Sorry I couldn't indulge you guys with a video, but it was only after I finished the unboxing with the narrative and everything that I realized the camera had stopped recording because the memory was full. :( It was packed very well, and shipped to me by Priority USPS in a medium flat-rate box.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: legolouman on March 08, 2012, 12:27:02 AM
I want to be helpful. Thinkgeek has a 16 Port Hub, I'm sure that it could be really helpful for someone really wishing to have a huge farm.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cef0/


I know they ship international, I just don't know what products.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 08, 2012, 12:31:13 AM
Fotos:
 . . .
Second fan removed to show the third fan and VRM heatsinks
 . . .

So they (BFL) put on that copper HS&F and extra heatsinks?
Yes. That copper thing is actually an additional fan.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on March 08, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Thanks for the write up rjk, very nice :)

Unfortunately I have to sit through a day at work before I can get home and play.   I've already sold my GPU's this morning though :D  Good riddance.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: dave3 on March 08, 2012, 12:41:48 AM
Thanks for the pictures and report; very nice.

Does the second fan on the bottom interfere with the smaller third fan next to the VRM heatsinks?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 08, 2012, 12:45:43 AM
Thanks for the pictures and report; very nice.

Does the second fan on the bottom interfere with the smaller third fan next to the VRM heatsinks?

No, it is held apart by standoffs.

On another note, it appears that the PSU is horribly inefficient - it is rated for 120 watts, and total power draw is 85 watts, and the brick is as hot as the sun. It might not melt or anything, but it uncomfortably hot to the touch. I'll need to get this hooked in to a rig with a more efficient PSU as soon as I can.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jddebug on March 08, 2012, 01:01:36 AM
Thanks for the pictures and report; very nice.

Does the second fan on the bottom interfere with the smaller third fan next to the VRM heatsinks?

No, it is held apart by standoffs.

On another note, it appears that the PSU is horribly inefficient - it is rated for 120 watts, and total power draw is 85 watts, and the brick is as hot as the sun. It might not melt or anything, but it uncomfortably hot to the touch. I'll need to get this hooked in to a rig with a more efficient PSU as soon as I can.

If you come up with a good replacement PSU please share the information. I'd like to get things set up as efficient as possible.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: P_Shep on March 08, 2012, 01:16:04 AM
Pick one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007657%20600112163&IsNodeId=1&name=80%20PLUS%20PLATINUM%20Certified

;)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: wogaut on March 08, 2012, 01:31:02 AM
Seems like rjk is running his BFL Single under Windows.

Anyone running your BFL Single under Linux and can tell me what you are using (Linux ver, miner...)?

Insight much appreciated!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: fred0 on March 08, 2012, 02:02:14 AM
Pick one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007657%20600112163&IsNodeId=1&name=80%20PLUS%20PLATINUM%20Certified

;)
Well, I have a Bronze Rated PSU unused, I'm sure it's better than the power brick.  But I know nothing about wiring the output of an ATX PS into a BFL Single.  Is there any obvious source I'm missing? Maybe even an adapter?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: P_Shep on March 08, 2012, 02:04:15 AM
Not too difficult:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67627.0


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: fred0 on March 08, 2012, 02:10:47 AM
Seems like rjk is running his BFL Single under Windows.

Anyone running your BFL Single under Linux and can tell me what you are using (Linux ver, miner...)?

Insight much appreciated!
I'm using cgminer under linux.  I also used ufasoft 0.25 under ubuntu 64-bit (the portable package listed in their thread).  I saw no performance difference between miners.  When terminating Ufasoft's miner, the number given is totally worthless.  You can get an accurate number by recording the shares and the number of seconds, then calculating the average MH/s.

shares*2^32/seconds/10^6 will yield the MH/s.

These number vary by the pool used and connection quality.  You just need to run your own benchmarks.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: fred0 on March 08, 2012, 02:12:10 AM
Not too difficult:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67627.0
Excellent, I'll be going through this!  ;)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: triplehelix on March 08, 2012, 02:13:43 AM
Not too difficult:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67627.0
Excellent, I'll be going through this!  ;)

speaking of power supplies, the one for the rigbox is going to have to be a beast huh?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: wogaut on March 08, 2012, 02:18:37 AM
I'm using cgminer under linux.  I also used ufasoft 0.25 under ubuntu 64-bit (the portable package listed in their thread).  I saqw no performance difference between miners.  When terminating Ufasoft's miner, the number given is totally worthless.  You can get an accurate number by recording the shares and the number of seconds, then calculating the average MH/s.

shares*2^32/seconds/10^6 will yield the MH/s.

These number vary by the pool used and connection quality.  You just need to run your own benchmarks.

Great, thanks!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on March 08, 2012, 02:19:22 AM
Seems like rjk is running his BFL Single under Windows.

Anyone running your BFL Single under Linux and can tell me what you are using (Linux ver, miner...)?

Insight much appreciated!


I am running on BAMT (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=65915.0) with cgminer. You'll need to run the /opt/bamt/fixer utility to get the single working but once you do, cgminer will auto find all of your singles.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: fred0 on March 08, 2012, 02:27:54 AM
I'm using cgminer under linux.  I also used ufasoft 0.25 under ubuntu 64-bit (the portable package listed in their thread).  I saqw no performance difference between miners.  When terminating Ufasoft's miner, the number given is totally worthless.  You can get an accurate number by recording the shares and the number of seconds, then calculating the average MH/s.

shares*2^32/seconds/10^6 will yield the MH/s.

These number vary by the pool used and connection quality.  You just need to run your own benchmarks.

Great, thanks!

Sorry, I forgot to add.  I also made a build of the ufasoft 0.28 version from source under 32-bit ubuntu.  I ran the single on a netbook, but didn't see any appreciable performance increase.  But it works fine.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: wogaut on March 08, 2012, 02:32:05 AM
I am running on BAMT (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=65915.0) with cgminer. You'll need to run the /opt/bamt/fixer utility to get the single working but once you do, cgminer will auto find all of your singles.

Looks interesting. I'm running OpenSuse 64bit here, as it was the best compromise for the work I'm doing.

cgminer looks most attractive to me, especially since there's so much support for it here on the boards.



Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: fred0 on March 08, 2012, 02:33:19 AM
Also,  the temp of the operating single is a pretty much between 61C and 63C.  I'm assuming that this is normal, but my subjectivity is messed up by my GPU thinking.  This is a normal range right? I probably should just email Sonny, but he seems busy processing orders for singles.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: kibblesnbits on March 08, 2012, 02:53:57 AM
Argh.  Choice between new iPad3 and Single... Slowly drifting towards single.  Quick question:  can a Single be used for anything else or only bitcoin mining?  Just thinking if BitCoin falls apart or becomes impractical to mine with it after the reward split date. 


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jddebug on March 08, 2012, 02:56:58 AM
Argh.  Choice between new iPad3 and Single... Slowly drifting towards single.  Quick question:  can a Single be used for anything else or only bitcoin mining?  Just thinking if BitCoin falls apart or becomes impractical to mine with it after the reward split date. 

With a "The New iPad", you can't easily make money to buy a single. With a single you can probably generate enough bitcoin to by a "The New iPad".

Odd that they called the new iPad "The New iPad". I don't like the name much.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: fred0 on March 08, 2012, 03:01:33 AM
Argh.  Choice between new iPad3 and Single... Slowly drifting towards single.  Quick question:  can a Single be used for anything else or only bitcoin mining?  Just thinking if BitCoin falls apart or becomes impractical to mine with it after the reward split date. 
I think that buying a single is a bad, BAD idea. You don't want the single you want an iPad. The single has no purpose other than bitcoin. Don't buy it!
 ;)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 08, 2012, 03:26:38 AM
What's the size of the power socket on that thing?

The power-jack is 5.5 Outer-Diameter, 2.5 Inner-Diameter. Outer cylinder is ground and
inner core is +12V (Acceptable range: 10V to 14V).

How long is the outer cylinder (13mm, 14mm, 15mm?)


The jack is 12mm.


Regards,
BFL, I am having a hard time finding connectors to fit this spec. The closest I have found are Switchcraft 760's, which are 5.5 x 2.5mm, however the pin length is only 9.5 mm and the current rating is only 5 amps. By my calculations, the Single needs closer to 7 amps; will it be a major issue to use 5 amp rated plugs on this?

I don't know how much power is actually being lost due to PSU inefficiencies, so I don't know how much the actual DC power draw is. I have been using 75 watts for my estimations.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 08, 2012, 03:42:21 AM
What's the size of the power socket on that thing?

The power-jack is 5.5 Outer-Diameter, 2.5 Inner-Diameter. Outer cylinder is ground and
inner core is +12V (Acceptable range: 10V to 14V).

How long is the outer cylinder (13mm, 14mm, 15mm?)


The jack is 12mm.


Regards,
BFL, I am having a hard time finding connectors to fit this spec. The closest I have found are Switchcraft 760's, which are 5.5 x 2.5mm, however the pin length is only 9.5 mm and the current rating is only 5 amps. By my calculations, the Single needs closer to 7 amps; will it be a major issue to use 5 amp rated plugs on this?

I don't know how much power is actually being lost due to PSU inefficiencies, so I don't know how much the actual DC power draw is. I have been using 75 watts for my estimations.

Got a clamp meter?

Carefully cut the DC power cords so the two wires (12V & ground) are separated.  Put the 12V wire in center of clamp meter and read amperage.  BTW it looks like the PSU is rated for 10A @ 12V.   Even a relatively inexpensive clamp meter should be pretty accurate on DC current.  It is AC especially for inductive loads which is tricky.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: coblee on March 08, 2012, 03:47:08 AM
Not too difficult:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67627.0
Excellent, I'll be going through this!  ;)

speaking of power supplies, the one for the rigbox is going to have to be a beast huh?

Well speaking of the rigbox, can you even run these at home? If i'm doing the calculations correct, I = 2500W / 110v = 22.72A. Most US home fuses can only support 15A to 20A. So these will not work without doing some electrical work, right? I guess with such a large investment, you'd probably want to run it in a datacenter.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 08, 2012, 03:47:23 AM

BFL, I am having a hard time finding connectors to fit this spec. The closest I have found are Switchcraft 760's, which are 5.5 x 2.5mm, however the pin length is only 9.5 mm and the current rating is only 5 amps. By my calculations, the Single needs closer to 7 amps; will it be a major issue to use 5 amp rated plugs on this?

I don't know how much power is actually being lost due to PSU inefficiencies, so I don't know how much the actual DC power draw is. I have been using 75 watts for my estimations.

Got a clamp meter?

Carefully cut the DC power cords so the two wires (12V & ground) are separated.  Put the 12V wire in center of clamp meter and read amperage.  BTW it looks like the PSU is rated for 10A @ 12V.   Even a relatively inexpensive clamp meter should be pretty accurate on DC current.  It is AC especially for inductive loads which is tricky.
No I unfortunately don't have a good meter, and yes the PSU is 120 watt generic Chinese item. I'm doing up a bill of materials for an adapter that will run 2x BFL Singles per 6-pin PSU connector. Only problem is, I really don't feel like crimping and soldering all those damn terminals. :(


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 08, 2012, 04:02:03 AM
Not too difficult:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67627.0
Excellent, I'll be going through this!  ;)

speaking of power supplies, the one for the rigbox is going to have to be a beast huh?

Well speaking of the rigbox, can you even run these at home? If i'm doing the calculations correct, I = 2500W / 110v = 22.72A. Most US home fuses can only support 15A to 20A. So these will not work without doing some electrical work, right? I guess with such a large investment, you'd probably want to run it in a datacenter.

240V circuit.  2500W /240V = 10.8A.  Derate 20% for continual load and round up = 15A circuit.  A NEMA L6-30R outlet and 240V PDU could power a pair of them.  I got 2x L6-30R outlets and a pair of APC 240V PDUs so I guess I am good for 200GH/s or so.  Well other than the $120K.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 08, 2012, 04:30:12 AM

BFL, I am having a hard time finding connectors to fit this spec. The closest I have found are Switchcraft 760's, which are 5.5 x 2.5mm, however the pin length is only 9.5 mm and the current rating is only 5 amps. By my calculations, the Single needs closer to 7 amps; will it be a major issue to use 5 amp rated plugs on this?

I don't know how much power is actually being lost due to PSU inefficiencies, so I don't know how much the actual DC power draw is. I have been using 75 watts for my estimations.

Got a clamp meter?

Carefully cut the DC power cords so the two wires (12V & ground) are separated.  Put the 12V wire in center of clamp meter and read amperage.  BTW it looks like the PSU is rated for 10A @ 12V.   Even a relatively inexpensive clamp meter should be pretty accurate on DC current.  It is AC especially for inductive loads which is tricky.
No I unfortunately don't have a good meter, and yes the PSU is 120 watt generic Chinese item. I'm doing up a bill of materials for an adapter that will run 2x BFL Singles per 6-pin PSU connector. Only problem is, I really don't feel like crimping and soldering all those damn terminals. :(
For those of you that want to create your own connectors, or wish to have someone create them, here is a mouser cart with all the right part numbers. It includes wire, but you can remove that if you already have some on hand. Link: http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=2d24861d6d

I don't have the time or inclination to deal with all the fiddly connectors, otherwise I would do it myself. That parts list contains the necessary bits to create several copies of an adapter that converts 1 6-pin GPU connector to 2 standard barrel connectors for BFL Singles. You would need to add shrink wrap and solder to that if you want the connections to be more durable.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Splirow on March 08, 2012, 04:37:41 AM
Maybe BFL can make them and include them with the singles. Or have an option for the brick power supply or connector. Probably reduces cost for BFL.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 08, 2012, 04:40:33 AM
Maybe BFL can make them and include them with the singles. Or have an option for the brick power supply or connector. Probably reduces cost for BFL.
Making it an option would be a good idea, and they could probably have a custom adapter made in china for dirt cheap.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: dave3 on March 08, 2012, 05:39:39 AM
I'm not sure if it's allowed to change the shipping address for Paypal orders, but I think it's totally negotiable for other ways of payments, since shipping address @ Paypal is used for account verification and needed to protect participating parties from scam, for returns/claims and etc. That's how I see it anyways.

I heard back from Sonny at Butterfly Labs, and he said they couldn't do it because of paypal restrictions.  Oh well.

I'll have to decide if it's worth the risk to do a wire transfer.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: pieppiep on March 08, 2012, 08:20:00 AM
https://i.imgur.com/4Eu8Bl.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/4Eu8B.jpg)
Bare board in my hand for size comparison. Click on it and zoom in to see an interesting thing - a header marked "LCD"....

I need to go for now, haven't gotten it started mining. I'll be back later to post more.
The atmel chip is also interesting.
I can't completely read the chip number, but it looks a lot like http://www.atmel.com/devices/at32uc3a0512.aspx
A 66 MHz 32bits AVR microcontroller.
Most other boards just have the communication done in the fpga itself I think?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: dave3 on March 08, 2012, 09:01:30 AM
Does anybody know how high the room temperature can get before it becomes an issue for the Single?

I usually keep the temperature in my office at 77° F during the day.  After I shut the A/C down for the night, it often gets up to 85° F by the next morning, though.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BTC-engineer on March 08, 2012, 09:21:57 AM
https://i.imgur.com/4Eu8Bl.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/4Eu8B.jpg)
Bare board in my hand for size comparison. Click on it and zoom in to see an interesting thing - a header marked "LCD"....

I need to go for now, haven't gotten it started mining. I'll be back later to post more.
The atmel chip is also interesting.
I can't completely read the chip number, but it looks a lot like http://www.atmel.com/devices/at32uc3a0512.aspx
A 66 MHz 32bits AVR microcontroller.
Most other boards just have the communication done in the fpga itself I think?

Is this a rev2 board?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on March 08, 2012, 09:57:14 AM
Finally got a chance to get this hooked up.  I feel..... liberated.  I no longer need to have my PC on it's side, case open, with cards dangling out of it and a huge fan blowing at the whole mess.   I now have a tiny little box sat on my desk doing the work instead.    Just brilliant :)

Damn quiet in here now though :D


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BFL-Engineer on March 08, 2012, 10:08:06 AM
Finally got a chance to get this hooked up.  I feel..... liberated.  I no longer need to have my PC on it's side, case open, with cards dangling out of it and a huge fan blowing at the whole mess.   I now have a tiny little box sat on my desk doing the work instead.    Just brilliant :)

Damn quiet in here now though :D

Happy to hear so...


Regards,


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BFL-Engineer on March 08, 2012, 10:42:31 AM
Also,  the temp of the operating single is a pretty much between 61C and 63C.  I'm assuming that this is normal, but my subjectivity is messed up by my GPU thinking.  This is a normal range right? I probably should just email Sonny, but he seems busy processing orders for singles.

What you're seeing as operating temperature is OK.


Regards,


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: BFL-Engineer on March 08, 2012, 10:48:11 AM
Not too difficult:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67627.0
Excellent, I'll be going through this!  ;)

speaking of power supplies, the one for the rigbox is going to have to be a beast huh?

Well speaking of the rigbox, can you even run these at home? If i'm doing the calculations correct, I = 2500W / 110v = 22.72A. Most US home fuses can only support 15A to 20A. So these will not work without doing some electrical work, right? I guess with such a large investment, you'd probably want to run it in a datacenter.


The rig-box consumes roughly the same power a Clothes Iron consumes, less than a washing machine. If you
already are using furniture that consume 2500W (or several which together consume this amount of power), then
there shouldn't be any problem.


Regards,


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 08, 2012, 01:33:27 PM
Finally got a chance to get this hooked up.  I feel..... liberated.  I no longer need to have my PC on it's side, case open, with cards dangling out of it and a huge fan blowing at the whole mess.   I now have a tiny little box sat on my desk doing the work instead.    Just brilliant :)

Damn quiet in here now though :D

Wait you got new hashing gear so you turned the old hashing gear off?  The hashes it produced are no longer valid?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 08, 2012, 01:40:54 PM
The rig-box consumes roughly the same power a Clothes Iron consumes, less than a washing machine. If you
already are using furniture that consume 2500W (or several which together consume this amount of power), then
there shouldn't be any problem.

Something isn't right here.

No iron or washing machine in the US uses 2500W.

In most American homes only three "appliances" use 2500W+ and that would be hot water heater, central air heat pump/AC, and electric clothes dryer and they are almost always run on dedicated 240V circuits for safety.  Even if they don't they need a dedicated high current circuit.

The standard "outlet" in US home is NEMA 5-15 which is good for 15A @ 120V.  For continually loads "the code" requires no device pull more than 80% of rated power for the circuit.  So 2500W on a 120V circuit = 20.83 amps, 20% derate is 26.04 amps.  The smallest available circuit would be a 30A @ 120V circuit or 15A @ 240V circuit.

At first I thought this was the BFL "PR" account but it is BFL Engineer.  Did the PR people log into the engineer account by mistake?

This isn't trolling I have rewired my home and have two of these ...

http://www.internationalconfig.com/prod_shot/l630-r.jpg

So that is enough for 14.4 KW (11.5 KW derated) which is solid safe supply for 4x rig boxes (finding the $120K will be harder :) ).  However most Americans have exactly 1 outlet capable of 240V in their home and it is for the clothes dryer.  There are so little details on the rig box to have information that can't possibly be right is just frustrating.

Either:
a) the specs of rig box are wrong and it pulls <2500W
b) it uses multiple power supplies and user is expected to plug each on into a different branch circuit (not just different outlet).
c) your post here is wrong.
d) something I am missing.

So which is it?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: kjlimo on March 08, 2012, 01:44:27 PM
The rig-box consumes roughly the same power a Clothes Iron consumes, less than a washing machine. If you
already are using furniture that consume 2500W (or several which together consume this amount of power), then
there shouldn't be any problem.

Something isn't right here.

No iron or dishwasher in the US uses 2500W. 

In most American homes only three "appliances" use 2500W+ and that would be hot water heater, central air heat pump/AC, and electric clothes dryer and they are almost always run on 240V circuit.

For continually loads "the code" requires they pull no more than the circuit rated power.  So 2500W on a 120V circuit = 20.83 amps, 20% derate is 26.04 amps.  The smallest available circuit would be 240V, 30A circuit.

At first I thought this was the BFL "PR" account but it is BFL Engineer.  Did the PR people log into the engineer account by mistake?



http://www.langtoninfo.com/showitem.aspx?isbn=3121040034866


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 08, 2012, 01:47:55 PM
The rig-box consumes roughly the same power a Clothes Iron consumes, less than a washing machine. If you
already are using furniture that consume 2500W (or several which together consume this amount of power), then
there shouldn't be any problem.

Something isn't right here.

No iron or dishwasher in the US uses 2500W.  

In most American homes only three "appliances" use 2500W+ and that would be hot water heater, central air heat pump/AC, and electric clothes dryer and they are almost always run on 240V circuit.

For continually loads "the code" requires they pull no more than the circuit rated power.  So 2500W on a 120V circuit = 20.83 amps, 20% derate is 26.04 amps.  The smallest available circuit would be 240V, 30A circuit.

At first I thought this was the BFL "PR" account but it is BFL Engineer.  Did the PR people log into the engineer account by mistake?



http://www.langtoninfo.com/showitem.aspx?isbn=3121040034866

Tada.  A UK product designed to run on .... 240V which wouldn't plug into a normal American outlet.

So your point was?

The point I was making is that a US NEMA 5-15 outlet is rated for no more than 1800W however electrical code (you know that thing that prevents your house from burning down and your home owners insurance from now covering it) limits continual loads to 80% of that or 1440W.

So please explain to to me how a 2500W appliance gets plugged into an outlet rated for no more than 1440W?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Epoch on March 08, 2012, 03:41:38 PM
It is important to keep this in mind: BFL does not have a Rigbox made yet. Any discussion on detailed specs at this point is pointless. As D&T mentioned, if the device draws 2500W then the average household (in North America at least) won't be able to run them on standard 120V circuits. Regardless of what BFL says.

This is the same situation as the pre-order Singles: BLF had a 'best guess expection' on the final specs (1.05ghps, 20W), posted them on their website, and took orders. When the actual Singles were built, they found they can't do 1.05ghps but only 830mhps. And they didn't use 20W, but 85W. Oops.

And here we are full circle again: BFL has no Rig Box prototype but only a 'best guess expectation' that it will do 50.4Ghps @ 2500W. At this point speculation is, again, pointless (and we have 2 old giant BFL threads as a testament to that). Let's wait a few months for the thing to show up (or at least a working prototype) and then start a thread discussing its actual hashrate and power draw and how (or if) you can run one on a 15A 120VAC circuit.

This thread isn't a Rig Box discussion speculation thread; it is a discussion of Singles in the wild, that people are actually holding in their hands. If someone wants to start a 'Pointless Rig Box Speculation' thread, go to town with that. Or just use this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.0)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SysRun on March 08, 2012, 05:15:48 PM
Since we've had so many questions about Order dates and Ship dates I've created a thread for just that information.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67887


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: DeepBit on March 08, 2012, 05:55:43 PM
The rig-box consumes roughly the same power a Clothes Iron consumes, less than a washing machine. If you
already are using furniture that consume 2500W (or several which together consume this amount of power), then
there shouldn't be any problem.
Something isn't right here.
No iron or washing machine in the US uses 2500W.
May be he is from some 220V-country and just used to such equipment ?
Most water kettles are 2300-2400W in 220V-world, same for steam irons, vacuum cleaners, cooking ovens, hair driers and so on

Also it's possible that they know that 2500W is the maximum power available with normal wall sockets (in 220V-world) and decided that they'll try to fit their mining equipment into that limit somehow.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 08, 2012, 06:19:19 PM
Also it's possible that they know that 2500W is the maximum power available with normal wall sockets (in 220V-world) and decided that they'll try to fit their mining equipment into that limit somehow.
http://www.westsky.com/shoehorn2.jpg
Here's a shoehorn. Helps fit things into other things.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Inaba on March 08, 2012, 06:41:31 PM
Looks like a speculum.



Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SysRun on March 08, 2012, 06:48:58 PM
Looks like a speculum.



Goddamnit! Don't google shoehorn speculum on google images! WORSE than RandyFolds.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Bitbird on March 08, 2012, 07:05:25 PM
I have some interesting in set-up a BFL based mining operation for selling mining contracts. Is there anyone else want to do the same thing?


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: wknight on March 08, 2012, 07:26:36 PM
Received an email yesterday of a confirmation of my order of two BFL singles I put back on the Feb 25th.. even have a little PS saying Please excuse the late reply.  I wanted to email back but heck I would rather let them work then saying thanks for the update :)

I used to do business with China factories and Holidays always delayed orders getting done. I have been in their shoes to a point. In the meantime I wait like everyone else.. Hoping I get an email asking me if I want the extra Fan or not.. I dont need a extra fan :) Its cold enough in the Datacenter :)


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: wogaut on March 08, 2012, 07:57:13 PM
Looks like a speculum.
Goddamnit! Don't google shoehorn speculum on google images! WORSE than RandyFolds.

Now you made me do it!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pLe737RsBKg/STbOSkOIcsI/AAAAAAAAArs/XFDI01Ri0fs/s1600/frustrated.jpg

http://www.egs-avatars.com/e_gs_images/divers/gifs_fun/image11.gif


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on March 08, 2012, 08:15:22 PM
Finally got a chance to get this hooked up.  I feel..... liberated.  I no longer need to have my PC on it's side, case open, with cards dangling out of it and a huge fan blowing at the whole mess.   I now have a tiny little box sat on my desk doing the work instead.    Just brilliant :)

Damn quiet in here now though :D

Wait you got new hashing gear so you turned the old hashing gear off?  The hashes it produced are no longer valid?

Correct.  This isn't about me increasing my hashing power, it's about me reducing my power consumption.

Mission accomplished.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jothan on March 08, 2012, 11:22:40 PM
What's the size of the power socket on that thing?

The power-jack is 5.5 Outer-Diameter, 2.5 Inner-Diameter. Outer cylinder is ground and
inner core is +12V (Acceptable range: 10V to 14V).

How long is the outer cylinder (13mm, 14mm, 15mm?)


The jack is 12mm.


Regards,
BFL, I am having a hard time finding connectors to fit this spec. The closest I have found are Switchcraft 760's, which are 5.5 x 2.5mm, however the pin length is only 9.5 mm and the current rating is only 5 amps. By my calculations, the Single needs closer to 7 amps; will it be a major issue to use 5 amp rated plugs on this?

I don't know how much power is actually being lost due to PSU inefficiencies, so I don't know how much the actual DC power draw is. I have been using 75 watts for my estimations.

I have bought some of these http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?vendor=0&keywords=CP3-002BH-ND for BFL singles. They fit the spec, but are slightly longer than needed, should be ok, but I have not had the opportunity to test them yet.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: rjk on March 08, 2012, 11:24:12 PM
What's the size of the power socket on that thing?

The power-jack is 5.5 Outer-Diameter, 2.5 Inner-Diameter. Outer cylinder is ground and
inner core is +12V (Acceptable range: 10V to 14V).

How long is the outer cylinder (13mm, 14mm, 15mm?)


The jack is 12mm.


Regards,
BFL, I am having a hard time finding connectors to fit this spec. The closest I have found are Switchcraft 760's, which are 5.5 x 2.5mm, however the pin length is only 9.5 mm and the current rating is only 5 amps. By my calculations, the Single needs closer to 7 amps; will it be a major issue to use 5 amp rated plugs on this?

I don't know how much power is actually being lost due to PSU inefficiencies, so I don't know how much the actual DC power draw is. I have been using 75 watts for my estimations.

I have bought some of these http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?vendor=0&keywords=CP3-002BH-ND for BFL singles. They fit the spec, but are slightly longer than needed, should be ok, but I have not had the opportunity to test them yet.
Nice find! 8 amp rating too. Maybe if you combined it with my parts list above you could make a few $$ by making and selling adapters.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: defxor on March 09, 2012, 01:54:14 PM
Something isn't right here.
No iron or washing machine in the US uses 2500W.
May be he is from some 220V-country and just used to such equipment ?
Most water kettles are 2300-2400W in 220V-world, same for steam irons, vacuum cleaners, cooking ovens, hair driers and so on

Also it's possible that they know that 2500W is the maximum power available with normal wall sockets (in 220V-world) and decided that they'll try to fit their mining equipment into that limit somehow.

So I just had to go and look:

  • My portable top of the line AC: 1240W
  • My run of the mill steam iron: 1200-1450W
  • My no-frills-but-cool-design water kettle: 1800W

I'm in 240V Europe, and these are plugged in at whatever outlet's the nearest.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: Mousepotato on March 09, 2012, 04:58:51 PM
So if I ordered a BFL Single unit today, when is the expected delivery?  I'm too lazy to read this entire thread.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SysRun on March 09, 2012, 05:02:36 PM
So if I ordered a BFL Single unit today, when is the expected delivery?  I'm too lazy to read this entire thread.
4-6weeks


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: btc_artist on March 09, 2012, 05:54:51 PM
So if I ordered a BFL Single unit today, when is the expected delivery?  I'm too lazy to read this entire thread.
4-6weeks
I see what you did there.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: SysRun on March 09, 2012, 06:00:54 PM
So if I ordered a BFL Single unit today, when is the expected delivery?  I'm too lazy to read this entire thread.
4-6weeks
I see what you did there.
For actual Order/Ship dates you can check this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67887.0


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: allten on April 03, 2012, 03:34:56 AM
Hijacking ButterflyLab Threads as a shameless promotion for my BitMit post

BitForce Single 3rd Generation on Bitmit.

7 day auction.
Starts at 0.01 BTC
There's no Reserve and the shipping is free.

https://bitmit.net/en/trade/i/1985-butterfly-labs-bitforce-single-3rd-generation


Enjoy!


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: DiabloD3 on April 03, 2012, 04:43:09 AM
Hijacking ButterflyLab Threads as a shameless promotion for my BitMit post

BitForce Single 3rd Generation on Bitmit.

7 day auction.
Starts at 0.01 BTC
There's no Reserve and the shipping is free.

https://bitmit.net/en/trade/i/1985-butterfly-labs-bitforce-single-3rd-generation


Enjoy!

Thats fine and all, but BFL hasn't even shipped 2nd gen yet.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: pieppiep on April 03, 2012, 04:54:53 AM
Hijacking ButterflyLab Threads as a shameless promotion for my BitMit post

BitForce Single 3rd Generation on Bitmit.

7 day auction.
Starts at 0.01 BTC
There's no Reserve and the shipping is free.

https://bitmit.net/en/trade/i/1985-butterfly-labs-bitforce-single-3rd-generation


Enjoy!
Quote
I'm near the top of the list to receive a bitforce single 3rd generation with the ability of clock higher than the 1st and 2nd generation due to heat dissipation.

I should receive them early next week (just as the auction ends)
If not, I will start deducting its potential earnings from the winners price until it ships.
Isn't it better to wait for when you actually have the item?
Personally I won't bid for sure now, but would think about it if you already have the item.


Title: Re: BFL Single in the wild (BOUNTY RECEIVED!!!)
Post by: jamesg on April 03, 2012, 08:38:54 AM
Seems that people now want to spam this thread so I'm going to lock it.