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Title: Question about forum moderation
Post by: restless on June 24, 2014, 09:31:20 AM
Is there a place where one can ask for moderation of a moderator?
Recently a new assigned moderator is deleting posts written in the only bulgarian thread in the forum claiming they are offtopic
So far this moderator never wrote anything in bulgarian, it seems he is deleting posts only because they are in cyrillic.

It seems there is no place where bulgarian can write and post about new coins in this forum. If we post in the ONLY bulgarian thread, a moderator who has NO knowledge of the language, deletes our posts.
Should we troll in the russian or serbian forum then?
Or Bitcointalk forum has special (ethnic based) treatment for bulgarians?


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: BadBear on June 24, 2014, 10:19:47 AM
If there's only one Bulgarian thread you shouldn't be cluttering it up with altcoin content.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: BadBear on June 24, 2014, 10:26:59 AM
Ah, you don't even care about the coin, you just want to collect the bounty for translating it. Yeah, definitely spam, knock it off, and stop reposting deleted messages.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=658562.msg7482143#msg7482143

Bulgarian translation
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56593.msg7484284#msg7484284
(a moderator deleted the post initially)
just in case: Sjxyhk9fuJz4WKzNFioL8bErkEEcqLGem3


PS: Awesome idea, I hope it will be released in-time


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: restless on June 24, 2014, 10:44:57 AM
So.
No post, no problem
This is simply nazi-way of solving the problem.

Where can I post about a new coin, here is these forums?
Are you saying, that for Bulgarians, posting about new coins is prohibited, because we are Bulgarian?
Why are you NOT deleting post about new coins from Russian?
From Greeks? From Turkish? From Romanians?
Are you implying that these are BETTER and so they are allowed "to spam" ?

I have no problem posting on different forum. But I want to post here, in Bitcointalk forum

Please clarify if moderators of Bitcointalk forum prohibit Bulgarians about talking for new coins?


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: restless on June 24, 2014, 10:57:41 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=658562.msg7482143#msg7482143

Quote
Bulgarian translation
http://hardwarebg.com/forum/showthread.php/234128-%D0%90%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B8-%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8-%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B8?p=3822007&viewfull=1#post3822007

I don't want any bounty for the translation or future publications which I will do for promoting the coin


PS: Awesome idea, I hope it will be released in-time
Satisfied Mr Moderator who hates cyrillic letters?

All the best. Moderate to live.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: kaosbg on June 24, 2014, 11:26:11 AM
If there's only one Bulgarian thread you shouldn't be cluttering it up with altcoin content.

Well, in that case, on behalf of the Bulgarian comunity in that forum, we would like to have a dedicated section.

If the forum administration consider that as inapropriate due to a low count of members, then a Slavik languages section could serve the Bulgarian, Russian, Serbian, Croatian, Check, Polish, Slovenian, Slovakian, Macedonian, Montenegrian, Ukrainian, Belorussian members of the forum. And of course, it would be appropriate to create a sub-section for every language plus a moderator crew, having a clue of these languages.

The comunity from the aforementioned countries is quite bigger than the e.g. Portuguese speaking one (Portugal, Brasil, Mozambique, Angola, Macao, Goa), the Hebrew speaking one, the Greek one etc.

Consider this message as an official request.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: EFS on June 24, 2014, 12:03:26 PM
Why are you NOT deleting post about new coins from Russian?
From Greeks? From Turkish? From Romanians?
Are you implying that these are BETTER and so they are allowed "to spam" ?

We have subforums for altcoin discussion.

Other languages/locations board should be used for Bitcoin discussion only, as you said this is Bitcointalk forum.

I have no problem posting on different forum. But I want to post here, in Bitcointalk forum


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: BadBear on June 24, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
If there's only one Bulgarian thread you shouldn't be cluttering it up with altcoin content.

Well, in that case, on behalf of the Bulgarian comunity in that forum, we would like to have a dedicated section.

If the forum administration consider that as inapropriate due to a low count of members, then a Slavik languages section could serve the Bulgarian, Russian, Serbian, Croatian, Check, Polish, Slovenian, Slovakian, Macedonian, Montenegrian, Ukrainian, Belorussian members of the forum. And of course, it would be appropriate to create a sub-section for every language plus a moderator crew, having a clue of these languages.

The comunity from the aforementioned countries is quite bigger than the e.g. Portuguese speaking one (Portugal, Brasil, Mozambique, Angola, Macao, Goa), the Hebrew speaking one, the Greek one etc.

Consider this message as an official request.

This is the only real solution, using the only Bulgarian thread here on a Bitcoin forum to promote altcoins is not reasonable, but then again neither is cluttering up Other with a ton of threads for alt coin translations for a ton of different languages (many will do it for the bounties, even if not you or the OP). It's still a Bitcoin forum. Bulgarian thread only has 9 pages since it's conception in 2012, so probably not worth it for that. Some of the countries you mentioned already have dedicated sections as well. There may be a better solution we haven't thought of yet.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=658562.msg7482143#msg7482143

Quote
Bulgarian translation
http://hardwarebg.com/forum/showthread.php/234128-%D0%90%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B8-%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8-%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B8?p=3822007&viewfull=1#post3822007

I don't want any bounty for the translation or future publications which I will do for promoting the coin


PS: Awesome idea, I hope it will be released in-time
Satisfied Mr Moderator who hates cyrillic letters?

All the best. Moderate to live.

That doesn't change anything, you may not be the translate for bounties spammer type, but others are.

Why are you NOT deleting post about new coins from Russian?
From Greeks? From Turkish? From Romanians?

Because they have an altcoin section within their respective forums already.  

We aren't trying to limit anyone from talking about an altcoin, we're trying to limit the altcoin spam in Bitcoin sections. Look at the big picture instead of rushing to play the martyr. If we let you promote altcoins in the Bulgarian thread, then there will be many others who do it as well since they'll be getting paid for it. Same for posting in Other or English Alt Currencies, except 20 times as worse.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: kaosbg on June 24, 2014, 12:44:12 PM
Quote from: BadBear
Bulgarian thread only has 9 pages since it's conception in 2012, so probably not worth it for that.

Well, as our dedicated language "corner" is a single topic, it is not quite amazing that is is undeveloped. A lot of the Cryptocoin enthusiasts in our country do not speak very well english. Therefore, they have to jump into alternative forums due to the lack of understandable information or rely to friends to help with translation. I hope you agree, that the current format (single topic) is quite uncomfortable not only for us, but for the other "single-topic" language users.

Quote from: BadBear
many will do it for the bounties

I don't have the impression that the other translations are "pro bono" :) Anyway, if the dev of the coin agrees to pay for that translation, I don't see a reason that deal to be interfered by any form of authority.

Imho, it is a discriminative to restrict any translation just because the forum administration consider a language as "irrelevant". And "irrelevant" because the users of that language haven't been given with equal to other languages conditions to develop their language section. If the translation has been placed in wrong section, it is totally agreable to be deleted. BUT... there is no section, where these translations are allowed. This is a kind of Catch 22.

All this inequality is not in a benefit of the crypto community and definately does not help for the popularisation of the ideas behind the crypto currencies. Well, at least by this forum.

Quote from: BigBear
We aren't trying to limit anyone from talking about an altcoin, we're trying to limit the altcoin spam in Bitcoin sections


Altcoins exist and their market share is growing. So dedicating a space for them will decrase the spam in the BTC sections.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: bluefirecorp on June 24, 2014, 12:50:24 PM
Quote from: BigBear
We aren't trying to limit anyone from talking about an altcoin, we're trying to limit the altcoin spam in Bitcoin sections


Altcoins exist and their market share is growing. So dedicating a space for them will decrase the spam in the BTC sections.

This site is "bitcointalk.org", not "insertaltcoinheretalk.org". I'm working on a solution for communications regarding alternative coins, but it's not done yet.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: kaosbg on June 24, 2014, 12:56:31 PM

Other languages/locations board should be used for Bitcoin discussion only, as you said this is Bitcointalk forum.


According that statement, the Altcoin section should not be present in that forum...

Imho, developing the altcoin section will benefit that forum, cause Bitcoin and altcoins are connected. Conflict BTC vs. Altcoins is not the path we want to follow.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: Soappa on June 24, 2014, 01:04:44 PM
According that statement, the Altcoin section should not be present in that forum...

Indeed quite some people here have been suggesting to remove the whole altcoin section in the past, IIRC.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: kaosbg on June 24, 2014, 01:16:20 PM
According that statement, the Altcoin section should not be present in that forum...

Indeed quite some people here have been suggesting to remove the whole altcoin section in the past, IIRC.

Well, compare the percentage activity in that section with others... more than 2.2M posts, which is about 1/3 of the posts in that forum, excluding the "Local" sections. In the "Local languages" - the posts regarding Altcoins are more than 50%. And almost all these posts belong to late crypto adopters. Not everyone got the chance to mine 50 BTC per day with his laptop...


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: tysat on June 24, 2014, 02:41:37 PM

Other languages/locations board should be used for Bitcoin discussion only, as you said this is Bitcointalk forum.


According that statement, the Altcoin section should not be present in that forum...

Imho, developing the altcoin section will benefit that forum, cause Bitcoin and altcoins are connected. Conflict BTC vs. Altcoins is not the path we want to follow.

Agreed, I fully support removing the altcoin section... but it's here to stay for now.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: Lauda on June 24, 2014, 02:51:59 PM
Other languages/locations board should be used for Bitcoin discussion only, as you said this is Bitcointalk forum.

According that statement, the Altcoin section should not be present in that forum...

Imho, developing the altcoin section will benefit that forum, cause Bitcoin and altcoins are connected. Conflict BTC vs. Altcoins is not the path we want to follow.

Agreed, I fully support removing the altcoin section... but it's here to stay for now.
Likewise, there needs to be a petition or something for the removal of that section.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: kaosbg on June 24, 2014, 03:11:43 PM
You might get quite surprised of the outcome :)


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: dserrano5 on June 24, 2014, 03:54:02 PM
1.- Clone bitcointalk onto e.g. altcoinstalk.
2.- Remove alts crap from bitcointalk.
3.- Remove bitcoin stuff from altcoinstalk.
4.- Peace and love.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: Lauda on June 24, 2014, 05:32:23 PM
1.- Clone bitcointalk onto e.g. altcoinstalk.
2.- Remove alts crap from bitcointalk.
3.- Remove bitcoin stuff from altcoinstalk.
4.- Peace and love.
If only theymos would listen. This forum would be so much better off if that happened.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: WildChaser777 on June 24, 2014, 08:42:23 PM
Here's what I wrote to theymos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35)

Quote
Hello,

Excuse me if I should not be writing to you, but you're the only global administrator that I found. If I should not be writing to you, please forward the following message to whoever it needs to be addressed.

So, I'm a Bulgarian. I just discovered that the Bulgarian thread here is only one, and it's hard to post in it. Everything could turn into mess when people have to write about different kind of things in only one thread. That's the main reason why so few Bulgarians post here. We have quite a big mining community, Btc-e is hosted in Bulgaria after all. So my question is, is it possible to move/create a Bulgarian section in the "Local" sub-forum? We really need it so we can post different topics, etc. This would be a really nice thing to happen.

Thank you for you time. Looking forward to your answer.

As I thought that there are no that many Bulgarians here, I proposed him to put me as a moderator, just to get the section going, if there are no other Bulgarians who can moderate here. Didn't get an answer. We're talking about linguistic and cultural censorship here. We have quite some big mining community, after all BTC-E is hosted in Bulgaria. Quite childish from the management staff.

And you're not to judge who should, or should not translate. The French/Spanish/German guys are translating and claiming bounties, and we must not??? Isn't the crypto idea about decentralization and equality? You're not the one to say to someone not to translate, and not to get payed for it, if he's doing it professionally. I studied 4 languages (excl. my native - Bulgarian, 5 with it) and I translate sometimes for real $ (more then you guys are getting here) in the real world, and getting stopped from translating in some forum is simply ridiculous. I laughed so hard when my post was deleted yesterday, with my Veil translation.

P.S. I wrote to theymos. Let's see if the guy will spend a minute and say if we can have our forum, or we'll get the hell outta here.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: Cyrus on June 24, 2014, 09:14:58 PM
As I thought that there are no that many Bulgarians here, I proposed him to put me as a moderator, just to get the section going, if there are no other Bulgarians who can moderate here.
That's not quite the way things work around here(usually moderators in local forums are elected after a vote). Plus, if you aren't sure if there are any other Bulgarians who can moderate here, what makes you think there are enough to justify creating an entire subforum.
As Badbear properly pointed out:
Bulgarian thread only has 9 pages since it's conception in 2012
Pretty rough calculation equates to 0.17 posts/day.

Didn't get an answer. We're talking about linguistic and cultural censorship here. We have quite some big mining community, after all BTC-E is hosted in Bulgaria. Quite childish from the management staff.
As pointed out, the Bulgarian activity on Bitcointalk is low. That's the actual fact. When/if that changes, we can talk some more about it.

And you're not to judge who should, or should not translate. The French/Spanish/German guys are translating and claiming bounties, and we must not???
So, you're jelly, is that it? You just want some crappy bounty offered in a coin that may or may not be around next month. This is the only reason you guys complain when I delete your posts(not just from the Bulgarian thread, but from the Other Languages forum altogether).

Isn't the crypto idea about decentralization and equality? You're not the one to say to someone not to translate, and not to get payed for it, if he's doing it professionally.
If there is no proper place to post it, it's either offtopic or spam.

I studied 4 languages (excl. my native - Bulgarian, 5 with it) and I translate sometimes for real $ (more then you guys are getting here) in the real world, and getting stopped from translating in some forum is simply ridiculous. I laughed so hard when my post was deleted yesterday, with my Veil translation.
Well, then go translate in the real world and go earn some more real $ and leave this forum alone. Afterall, this is the sole reason you want a Bulgarian forum, in order to make some real $.

EDIT: I don't have nothing against the Bulgarians(I visited Bulgaria quite a few times, lovely country and people - recommend). I remove coin announcements in the Other Languages forum because they disrupt the thread. Maybe in the new forum software coming out, there will be a better way to incorporate different local boards.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: PepiX on June 24, 2014, 09:29:56 PM
If there is no proper place to post it, it's either offtopic or spam.

Do you really believe that? That is utter bs..

So depending on the language one (and the same) thing may be either offtopic/spam or not? Would you really confirm that?

Noone blaims you that you hate bulgarians.. as far as I see it you are trying to justify something unjust with illogical statements.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: WildChaser777 on June 24, 2014, 10:04:28 PM

As Badbear properly pointed out:
Bulgarian thread only has 9 pages since it's conception in 2012
Pretty rough calculation equates to 0.17 posts/day.
What do you expect people to talk about when they're forced to only one thread for....let me think what... Aw, yes, for EVERYTHING?!

Didn't get an answer. We're talking about linguistic and cultural censorship here. We have quite some big mining community, after all BTC-E is hosted in Bulgaria. Quite childish from the management staff.
As pointed out, the Bulgarian activity on Bitcointalk is low. That's the actual fact. When/if that changes, we can talk some more about it.
Yes, look my upper post. We can talk about it in our Bulgarian sub-forum, when it's created.

And you're not to judge who should, or should not translate. The French/Spanish/German guys are translating and claiming bounties, and we must not???
So, you're jelly, is that it? You just want some crappy bounty offered in a coin that may or may not be around next month. This is the only reason you guys complain when I delete your posts(not just from the Bulgarian thread, but from the Other Languages forum altogether).
So you have nothing more to say, but to allude that I'm "jelly" because I want to talk to my Bulgarian friends here in my NATIVE language? And it's jealous, alright bro? Jelly's what you eat. Learn English, the English-English. When Bulgarians can't speak a foreign language well, they do not speak it. That's why those of us who can, we translate it to them. If the translator gets payed for it, that's a bonus. What, people mustn't be payed if they're doing something well, is that what you're saying? Really nice and totally non-insulting...

I studied 4 languages (excl. my native - Bulgarian, 5 with it) and I translate sometimes for real $ (more then you guys are getting here) in the real world, and getting stopped from translating in some forum is simply ridiculous. I laughed so hard when my post was deleted yesterday, with my Veil translation.
Well, then go translate in the real world and go earn some more real $ and leave this forum alone. Afterall, this is the sole reason you want a Bulgarian forum, in order to make some real $.
Keep your compliments to yourself. It's twisted of you to say:  "I've been to Bulgaria, nice people, nice country, I love trading on their BTC-E and get real $ for doing nothing, but hell I ain't letting them having their own sub-forum here, where they can post, incl. translate and get payed for it, like the French,German, Spanish, Italian, Indians are doing". You're sounding like a fascist, you know that? You've no right to let some people do one thing and to forbid to others to do it. And please, don't you dare to tell me where I should go to make my money, ok? That's immature of you, and the position you're representing. You should be ashamed. Oh, and what nationality you are? You know where from we are, let's see where from you are so we can forbid you and your people to translate in their native language. ;)

P.S. This message is backed up.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: WildChaser777 on June 24, 2014, 10:17:03 PM
If there is no proper place to post it, it's either offtopic or spam.

Do you really believe that? That is utter bs..

So depending on the language one (and the same) thing may be either offtopic/spam or not? Would you really confirm that?

Noone blaims you that you hate bulgarians.. as far as I see it you are trying to justify something unjust with illogical statements.

He uses Google translate, shhhh. Very pro. Much respect.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: BadBear on June 25, 2014, 06:20:23 AM

What do you expect people to talk about when they're forced to only one thread for....let me think what... Aw, yes, for EVERYTHING?!

Works pretty well for everyone else, saying they aren't here because of that is not true in my experience. Almost all the foreign language boards started out as a single thread, and as their needs grew, so did their space. This isn't a Kevin Costner movie, just because we make it doesn't mean they're going to come. There is no or very little interest by Bulgarians, or if there is, there is no posting about it. So no section is necessary.

If that means you can't post about altcoins here, then that's what that means. This is a Bitcoin forum, it's already difficult enough to try and accommodate international Bitcoin users without worrying about the altcoin of the week too. There's minimal support by the forum for altcoins here, even in the dedicated sections, including English. If you don't have a dedicated section for whatever reason (which I covered already), then you shouldn't post it. Sorry, but that's the way it is.    



Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: WildChaser777 on June 25, 2014, 09:04:26 AM
Sorry, but the altcoins are keeping the Bitcoin alive. We mine them, convert them to BTC, then you bitcoiners out there get payed for the confirmations. Stop this discussion already. Altcoins are not less important than Bitcoin. You're alluding that we want two impossible things to happen - Bulgarian sub forum for altcoins and bitcoins. I bet admins and mods have their native language forums here, I also bet that the French and German forums were not a single thread.Every time you guys are posting and trying to throw an explanation why we won't see our own forum, the level of hypocricity in your posts is too damn high. So, its fine for some people here to, let's say translate and get played for it, but for us it ain't. Classic example of making the rich richer. Please, don't try to explain anything. It's all clear + the show of uninterest of the global admin, he did not enter here even though I asked him. Use the btc-e, we ain't hypocrites like you guys. That's the way things are around here unfortunately.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: Cyrus on June 25, 2014, 09:27:05 AM
And you're not to judge who should, or should not translate. The French/Spanish/German guys are translating and claiming bounties, and we must not???
So, you're jelly, is that it? You just want some crappy bounty offered in a coin that may or may not be around next month. This is the only reason you guys complain when I delete your posts(not just from the Bulgarian thread, but from the Other Languages forum altogether).
So you have nothing more to say, but to allude that I'm "jelly" because I want to talk to my Bulgarian friends here in my NATIVE language? And it's jealous, alright bro? Jelly's what you eat. Learn English, the English-English. When Bulgarians can't speak a foreign language well, they do not speak it. That's why those of us who can, we translate it to them. If the translator gets payed for it, that's a bonus. What, people mustn't be payed if they're doing something well, is that what you're saying? Really nice and totally non-insulting...
Ever heard of slang? Or the proper past tense of the verb 'to pay'? You should know this if you claim you're a translator.
I'll give you a hint, it's not 'payed'.


Once and for all, understand that creating a language subforum so that translated coin announcements can be posted is not a proper reason, it's not a reason at all.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: restless on June 25, 2014, 10:11:45 AM
So.
Moderators say that Bulgarians are forbidden to translate to Bulgarian.
Because they are from Bulgaria and write and speak in their own language.
And the thread has small amount of posts... when you DELETE posts, and disable any communication.
And, according to Eal F. Skillz , he thinks we should be forbidden to discuss altcoins also. No one from moderators disputed him.

As  I see it, and as claimed by you, you are literally fucking us, telling that "you are small and unimportant, we don't care about you. Better be gone from these forums"

Thank you kindly for being so open with us.





Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: restless on June 25, 2014, 10:19:29 AM
And 1 more thing.

I allowed myself to skip into several topics of other 1-thread languages.

Guess what?

There are translations about altcoin announcements.
They are NOT deleted

So.

Why OTHER 1-thread communities are ALLOWED to translate?

While 4 or 5 of you MORONS keep telling that this is forbidden for everyone else, and in fact IT IS NOT.

Prove you are not racists - delete ALL TRANSLATIONS in other single-threaded nation-topics.

Please, prove me you are sincere.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: EFS on June 25, 2014, 10:25:43 AM
And, according to Eal F. Skillz , he thinks we should be forbidden to discuss altcoins also.

Read again: Other languages/locations board should be used for Bitcoin discussion only, as you said this is Bitcointalk forum.

There are translations about altcoin announcements.
They are NOT deleted

Report them.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: restless on June 25, 2014, 10:53:04 AM
Now you claim to delete only reported posts... which is the true statement?
Or you admit that only bulgarian thread is strictly cleaned?


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: dserrano5 on June 25, 2014, 10:55:18 AM
Moderators say that Bulgarians are forbidden to translate to Bulgarian.

Pretty bold stuff, care to quote that?


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: mitzie on June 25, 2014, 11:07:42 AM
Now you claim to delete only reported posts... which is the true statement?

Moderators are humans. We don't have the time to go through every post and check if it is ok. That's why there are reports.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: bluefirecorp on June 25, 2014, 11:26:57 AM
Now you claim to delete only reported posts... which is the true statement?

Moderators are humans. We don't have the time to go through every post and check if it is ok. That's why there are reports.

Wait, you're not heartless robots!? I've been tricked!

I honestly can't believe this thread is still active. It seems that OP is pulling the race card (in this case, the speech card).

In reality, we have NO rights to the forums at all. If theymos wanted, he could ban us all without reason right this second. If you don't like it, you can create your own forum.

Personally, I'm working on creating my own forum, but with blackjack and hookers. Well, screw the forum part.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: restless on June 25, 2014, 11:59:25 AM
Moderators say that Bulgarians are forbidden to translate to Bulgarian.

Pretty bold stuff, care to quote that?
See above.
It was clearly written that Bulgarians are forbidden to translate to bulgarian, altcoin-related texts written in English and post these in the thread which is supposed to be for bulgarians and is supposed to be used only from bulgarians writing and reading Bulgarian.
I'm pretty sure my English is better than your Bulgarian.... yet I don't ask to moderate english forums

And moderators admitted to delete these posts even without reports from bulgarians.

Even deleting posts which were comments on the translated text, not a translation

And deleting posts and parts of the posts, where we asked the moderator to EXPLAIN WHY IS HE DELETING the posts.

2 quotes that describe the situation

Quote
He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.

Quote
Freedom of choice is made for you my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception








Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: WildChaser777 on June 25, 2014, 12:25:09 PM
What kind of twisted administration this is? So you control us by yourself. You stalk our thread, and if someone posts something about altcoins, his post gets deleted. But the French forum can be filled with payed altcoin translations?! And you're blind to see that and you want us to believe this crap that you ain't seeing it, and report it to you by ourselves? Fascism my friend, just accept it.

I demand again, what is your nationality?

EDIT:


Ever heard of slang?

Since you're such an English grammar pro. You should've known better that it should be "Ever heard of a slang", aka indefinite article.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: Cyrus on June 25, 2014, 12:31:18 PM
I demand again, what is your nationality?
Neither of our nationalities matter in this case. Spam is spam and it has been dealt with. But if you care so much, you could simply look at my signature :).

What kind of twisted administration this is? So you control us by yourself. You stalk our thread, and if someone posts something about altcoins, his post gets deleted. But the French forum can be filled with payed altcoin translations?! And you're blind to see that and you want us to believe this crap that you ain't seeing it, and report it to you by ourselves? Fascism my friend, just accept it.
By the way, you made the same grammar mistake again, still late at night/early morning?

I'm pretty sure every translated coin announcement has been deleted from the Other languages forum, but if you happen to spot one, please report it and it will be taken care of.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: WildChaser777 on June 25, 2014, 12:34:49 PM
I demand again, what is your nationality?

Neither of our nationalities matter in this case. Spam is spam and it has been dealt with. But if you care so much, you could simply look at my signature :).

Yes they do matter. Alright then. I just saw this : Romanian sub forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=108.0)
Then I saw this crap (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=661327.0) at your sub forum. Hahahaha, you're so messed up man. You're not obeying your own principles. You're saying that there should be no discussions in the foreign language forums for anything else but Bitcoin. Tell me, what are you seeing in the 2nd link?  ::)

NB! Delete the Romanian translation from the 2nd link then. Here you go. I'm waiting. More to come.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: dserrano5 on June 25, 2014, 12:36:52 PM
Moderators say that Bulgarians are forbidden to translate to Bulgarian.

Pretty bold stuff, care to quote that?
See above.

A search of "forbid" in this thread doesn't yield any result like that. In fact, almost all ocurrences of "forbid" are yours.


It was clearly written that […]

I don't want a "clearly written". I want a literal quote to a post by a moderator saying that "Bulgarians are forbidden to translate to Bulgarian".


Even deleting posts which were comments on the translated text, not a translation

Followups to a deleted post hardly make any sense.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: bluefirecorp on June 25, 2014, 12:41:29 PM
I demand again, what is your nationality?

Neither of our nationalities matter in this case. Spam is spam and it has been dealt with. But if you care so much, you could simply look at my signature :).

Yes they do matter. Alright then. I just saw this : Romanian sub forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=108.0)
Then I saw this crap (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=661327.0) at your sub forum. Hahahaha, you're so messed up man. You're not obeying your own principles. You're saying that there should be no discussions in the foreign language forums for anything else but Bitcoin. Tell me, what are you seeing in the 2nd link?  ::)

Can you not read? Bitcoin Forum > Local > Română (Romanian) > Altcoins (Monede Alternative)

ALTCOINS belong in that section. There's a dedicated section for altcoins.

Bitcoin Forum -> Local -> Romanian would only allow Bitcoin discussion, but that extra step, the "> Altcoins" allows altcoins.

See, the Bulgarian thread doesn't have a section for altcoins. I don't understand why you don't understand this super freaking simple concept. I mean, this is basic categorization. Do I need to explain it like shapes for you?


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: WildChaser777 on June 25, 2014, 12:46:47 PM
See, the Bulgarian thread doesn't have a section for altcoins. I don't understand why you don't understand this super freaking simple concept. I mean, this is basic categorization. Do I need to explain it like shapes for you?

Do we need to draw it to you, so that you can see that we want our dedicated sub-forum section where we can post this kind of stuff as well? The Romanian Bitcoin community is just a fraction of the Bulgarian one, be sure. Do I need to repeat again where BTC-E is?


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: pandacoin on June 25, 2014, 12:46:54 PM
-snip-

Either you are idiot or you failed at trolling. I love how moderators show patience to these trolls. Great job guys!


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: WildChaser777 on June 25, 2014, 12:49:25 PM

I don't know who's trolling. They just won't accept some facts.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: bluefirecorp on June 25, 2014, 12:56:14 PM
See, the Bulgarian thread doesn't have a section for altcoins. I don't understand why you don't understand this super freaking simple concept. I mean, this is basic categorization. Do I need to explain it like shapes for you?

Do we need to draw it to you, so that you can see that we want our dedicated sub-forum section where we can post this kind of stuff as well? The Romanian Bitcoin community is just a fraction of the Bulgarian one, be sure. Do I need to repeat again where BTC-E is?

Actually, yes, you do need to draw it out for me. You can have your dedicated sub-forum section as soon as you present proof of what you're saying. The Bulgarian community here at bitcoin is tiny. Stupidly tiny. As in, there's probably what? 5 of you guys?

Hell, I know more people personally on this forums than that? Should I get my own dedicated section because I have 4 buddies?

If you could present reasonable proof that "The Romanian Bitcoin community is just a fraction of the Bulgarian one", then you'll get your own sub-forum in no time.



Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: WildChaser777 on June 25, 2014, 01:13:00 PM
See, the Bulgarian thread doesn't have a section for altcoins. I don't understand why you don't understand this super freaking simple concept. I mean, this is basic categorization. Do I need to explain it like shapes for you?

Do we need to draw it to you, so that you can see that we want our dedicated sub-forum section where we can post this kind of stuff as well? The Romanian Bitcoin community is just a fraction of the Bulgarian one, be sure. Do I need to repeat again where BTC-E is?

Actually, yes, you do need to draw it out for me. You can have your dedicated sub-forum section as soon as you present proof of what you're saying. The Bulgarian community here at bitcoin is tiny. Stupidly tiny. As in, there's probably what? 5 of you guys?

Hell, I know more people personally on this forums than that? Should I get my own dedicated section because I have 4 buddies?

If you could present reasonable proof that "The Romanian Bitcoin community is just a fraction of the Bulgarian one", then you'll get your own sub-forum in no time.



Answer the following questions.

1. Tell me, for how long the Romanians have been here with their own sub-forum?
2. Tell me, for how long did the Bulgarians waited for their own section?
3. When there was no Bulgarian section for like, years, and there was only 1 thread, where should a couple of dozen of people write for different things in order to prove your obsolete point of view?

And about who's bigger than the other, one of the largest and most stable Bitcoin exchanges is Bulgarian. Enough said.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: bluefirecorp on June 25, 2014, 01:19:10 PM
Answer the following questions.

1. Tell me, for how long the Romanians have been here with their own sub-forum?
2. Tell me, for how long did the Bulgarians waited for their own section?
3. When there was no Bulgarian section for like, years, and there was only 1 thread, where should a couple of dozen of people write for different things in order to prove your obsolete point of view?

The burden of proof lies upon you, not me. I don't need to answer any of those questions.

I actually did take the liberty to gather a bit of information though!

This year, there's only been 53 posts in the Bulgarian section (I've made more posts by myself last week alone).

Those posts were made mostly by newbie members (so, could be a dozen alt-accounts). There are only 15 members (1 of which just spams links) that posted this year that are junior+ members.
Code:
ekrem
patica
stamen123
Isildur23
svetliopi44
overcoin
harsi123
xhash (spammer)
kwisatz
Boston.Miner
duts_bg
pastet89
gondel
WildChaser777
restless

If I'm able to get a group of 14 active members to post 53 posts in a thread (within a 6 month period), do I get my own section?

If you'd like, I can tally up the amount of post by person. Honestly, there aren't many posts per person there? 2-3 OVER A FUCKING 6 MONTH PERIOD. Hell, this thread has already almost gotten more posts in it in just 1-2 days than that thread in a 6 month period.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: BadBear on June 25, 2014, 01:27:27 PM
Hell, this thread has already almost gotten more posts in it in just 1-2 days than that thread in a 6 month period.

Maybe we should make a new subforum where we can debate if we need a new subforum or not ;D.

@ the OP and the others, guys I get you're upset and want your own subforum, but this kind of trolling isn't going to help. It's just going to ensure nobody listens to you. Personally I'm not even going to bother reading this thread anymore, it's gone beyond ridiculous and I have better things to do.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: bluefirecorp on June 25, 2014, 01:31:08 PM
Hell, this thread has already almost gotten more posts in it in just 1-2 days than that thread in a 6 month period.

Maybe we should make a new subforum where we can debate if we need a new subforum or not ;D.

Actually, I was thinking the exact same thing. We totally deserve a sub-forum of this!

Hell, this thread has already almost gotten more posts in it in just 1-2 days than that thread in a 6 month period.

@ the OP and the others, guys I get you're upset and want your own subforum, but this kind of trolling isn't going to help. It's just going to ensure nobody listens to you. Personally I'm not even going to bother reading this thread anymore, it's gone beyond ridiculous and I have better things to do.

Why not stick around? This thread is pure entertainment! I mean, come on, you normally have to pay to watch for this level of entertainment.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: WildChaser777 on June 25, 2014, 01:36:45 PM
Answer the following questions.

1. Tell me, for how long the Romanians have been here with their own sub-forum?
2. Tell me, for how long did the Bulgarians waited for their own section?
3. When there was no Bulgarian section for like, years, and there was only 1 thread, where should a couple of dozen of people write for different things in order to prove your obsolete point of view?

The burden of proof lies upon you, not me. I don't need to answer any of those questions.


So, you simply cannot answer. Not that you won't. Your post is irrelevant, because of the 3 questions above. You've went through the trouble to calculate how many people have posted. Why don't you take a moment to explain why so few have posted? Let me give you a hint, because of "Question No. 3".

And please, stop implying the word "Trolling". So far it's the mods here who're only using the F word. Who's the troll and offender, tell me?

P.S. You list of names is so, so empty. A lot of Bulgarians here would have found this thread, if the place was more tidy.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: bluefirecorp on June 25, 2014, 01:45:38 PM
So, you simply cannot answer. Not that you won't.
Actually, I just won't.
Your post is irrelevant, because of the 3 questions above.
My post isn't irrelevant, and don't brush it off as such.
You've went through the trouble to calculate how many people have posted.
I was already calculating that before I read your post bud, just to prove a point.
Why don't you take a moment to explain why so few have posted?
As I said, the burden of proof is on you.

Let me give you a hint, because of "Question No. 3".

Following that logic, this thread should be dead, no? We literally are discussing a single small topic. In reality, if the community was as large as you say it was, there'd be about a dozen posts a day about new bitcoin related events! I mean, check out the main "Bitcoin Discussion" tab in English. There's literally THOUSANDS of posts per day there. Your average is less than one a day.

And please, stop implying the word "Trolling".

The reason we're implying you're trolling is no one can be this stupid. It's just not logical that you've survived this long and are this stupid.
So far it's the mods here who're using the F word.
Awesome, I'm a fucking mod now! Somehow that's magic. Oh wait, no I'm not. Fuck you, k? Link me to a single post in this thread which a moderated used foul language.
Who's the troll and offender, tell me?
You're the troll and offender! Stop offending me, k?

P.S. You list of names is so, so empty. A lot of Bulgarians here would have found this thread, if the place was more tidy.

Dude, you're just proving our point. There's not enough active members there to even justify more clutter.

Edit: I did some 'research'. By 'research', just to disprove your major point about not being able to find the topic.

The Indonesian, Serbian, Singapore, Slovenia, Croatian, Phillippines, Malaysia, Czech, Vietnamese, Parkistan, and hungarian threads are ALL more active than the Bulgarian forum. Technically, the first to get their new place should be the Croatian thread.

Your logic of saying "it's too difficult to find" or "it's unorganized" is countered by this. Are Bulgarians are just too stupid to navigate through a SMF forum. (Literally, the "S" in SMF is SIMPLE)? Cause if that's what you're arguing, it's silly to solve a people problem with technology.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: WildChaser777 on June 25, 2014, 04:57:40 PM
So, you simply cannot answer. Not that you won't.
Actually, I just won't.

Because you're not so bright, and you won't, because you can't.

Your post is irrelevant, because of the 3 questions above.
My post isn't irrelevant, and don't brush it off as such.
You've went through the trouble to calculate how many people have posted.
I was already calculating that before I read your post bud, just to prove a point.
Why don't you take a moment to explain why so few have posted?
As I said, the burden of proof is on you.

Let me give you a hint, because of "Question No. 3".

Following that logic, this thread should be dead, no? We literally are discussing a single small topic. In reality, if the community was as large as you say it was, there'd be about a dozen posts a day about new bitcoin related events! I mean, check out the main "Bitcoin Discussion" tab in English. There's literally THOUSANDS of posts per day there. Your average is less than one a day.

And please, stop implying the word "Trolling".

The reason we're implying you're trolling is no one can be this stupid. It's just not logical that you've survived this long and are this stupid.

All of your messages above are proving how incompetent and what a sorry troll you are. You're walking in circles, repeating the same sentences over and over again, and only you're thinking that they are true and deserve a serious answer.


So far it's the mods here who're using the F word.
Awesome, I'm a fucking mod now! Somehow that's magic. Oh wait, no I'm not. Fuck you, k? Link me to a single post in this thread which a moderated used foul language.
Who's the troll and offender, tell me?
You're the troll and offender! Stop offending me, k?

You're the offender. Look what you called me above.

EDIT: I bold-ed them out so it'll be easier for your brain to see them.

P.S. You list of names is so, so empty. A lot of Bulgarians here would have found this thread, if the place was more tidy.

Dude, you're just proving our point. There's not enough active members there to even justify more clutter.

Edit: I did some 'research'. By 'research', just to disprove your major point about not being able to find the topic.

The Indonesian, Serbian, Singapore, Slovenia, Croatian, Phillippines, Malaysia, Czech, Vietnamese, Parkistan, and hungarian threads are ALL more active than the Bulgarian forum. Technically, the first to get their new place should be the Croatian thread.

Dude, if you're not a mod, then just GTFO. We're looking for a rational discussion with a non abusive mod. Get your trolling out of here, and don't you try to mask it as non-troll spam B.S., your chef d'oeuvres above, that is.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: -ck on June 25, 2014, 06:02:50 PM
payed


Ever heard of slang?

Since you're such an English grammar pro. You should've known better that it should be "Ever heard of a slang", aka indefinite article.
And that's meant to be a correction? Wow...


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: WildChaser777 on June 25, 2014, 07:08:12 PM
Yes, ckolivas, it is. Since your colleague wanted to play grammar naz!, he got a lesson too. Ain't this forum full of sweat people who want to help each other to learn something new. ;)  ::)


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: bluefirecorp on June 25, 2014, 08:01:09 PM
You're walking in circles, repeating the same sentences over and over again

Because you're fucking blind or something -- you disregard very valid points because they absolutely destroy any sort of argument you have.

and only you're thinking that they are true and deserve a serious answer.

Name on thing directly that I have lied about, k? Ouch, can't find anything in this thread.

Know what WildChaser777? You were destroyed in every aspect of your logic. First you say we're being discriminatory. We proved you wrong. Then you say you deserve a dedicated sub-forum. We proved you wrong again. You just don't stop after you've been proven wrong time and time again. That's why you're the troll here.

Yes, ckolivas, it is. Since your colleague wanted to play grammar naz!, he got a lesson too. Ain't this forum full of sweat people who want to help each other to learn something new. ;)  ::)
Cyrus used "slang" correctly. Slang is an uncountable noun. Therefore, it is incorrect to add that indefinite article.
You don't say: "Ever heard of a music" or "Ever heard of a love".

You do say "Every heard of a piece of music" or "Ever heard of a bit of love".

Yes, ckolivas, it is. Since your colleague wanted to play grammar naz!, he got a lesson too. Ain't this forum full of sweat people who want to help each other to learn something new. ;)  ::)
I really hope you're not trying to teach anyone English. Your English is fucked up man.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: WildChaser777 on June 25, 2014, 09:12:23 PM
Did I tell you to get out with your B.S. ? Don't make me go search your post history. I'm sure I'll find quite a lot of non sences there. Just not in the mood to f*ck your dignity up. Not yet. And when you learn a foreign language other than your native, then you will have the right to speak. We don't need you here.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: Cyrus on June 25, 2014, 09:25:12 PM
Answer the following questions.

1. Tell me, for how long the Romanians have been here with their own sub-forum?
2. Tell me, for how long did the Bulgarians waited for their own section?
3. When there was no Bulgarian section for like, years, and there was only 1 thread, where should a couple of dozen of people write for different things in order to prove your obsolete point of view?

And about who's bigger than the other, one of the largest and most stable Bitcoin exchanges is Bulgarian. Enough said.

1. The Romanian subforum has been created in April 2013. Before that, it was just a thread in the Other languages/locations. That thread still exists: Offtopic - Română (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15007.0)*
*The thread was renamed and posting in it was discouraged in order for people to start threads instead of still posting in it.
2. Since 24 June 2014, when this thread was created. I haven't heard or seen any such request prior to that date.
3. Err.. in that "only 1 thread", until the need for extra room to discuss is needed and relevant.

Please understand, this is not an e-peen 'whose country is bigger' contest. The number and activity of people from certain countries on this forum is the main relevant factor.





Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: bluefirecorp on June 25, 2014, 09:49:23 PM
Did I tell you to get out with your B.S. ? Don't make me go search your post history. I'm sure I'll find quite a lot of non sences there. Just not in the mood to f*ck your dignity up. Not yet. And when you learn a foreign language other than your native, then you will have the right to speak. We don't need you here.

"non sences". Okay. It's the internet broseph, there is no dignity. Also, I'm currently learning French, however, I don't try to correct other people's French.

I'm smart enough to know a French speaker probably knows what they're saying IN French.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: Cyrus on June 25, 2014, 09:55:47 PM
Recently a new assigned moderator is deleting posts written in the only bulgarian thread in the forum claiming they are offtopic[...]
A bit of history:
At first, it was simply labeled as the Local > Others forum. It was renamed to Local > Other languages/locations after I suggested that the name wasn't evocative enough and that it was the main cause of spam in that particular board. The board had no moderator back then and being a low traffic section, other moderators didn't pay too much attention to it.
But more than most perhaps, because the Romanian subforum started in that forum, I knew how important such a section could be for people across the world. It was a mess back then and I offered to help.

Actually, here's how it looked back in December 17, 2013: https://web.archive.org/web/20131217093311/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=11.0
Now check how it looks now. See any differences?

But I was a moderator on Bitcointalk close to an year before being named mod there.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: SaltySpitoon on June 25, 2014, 10:12:10 PM
This is stupid, you would have an alt coin section if you had more traffic, each foreign section has to have enough people that it matters to add the section. At 0.17 posts per day, Theymos probably wouldn't consider adding an alt coin section. Also, translating alt coin announcement threads into other languages will get deleted 90% of the time, the exception for the most part is country coins.

Anyone trying to say Bitcointalk hates Bulgarians is a complete moron.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: kaosbg on June 25, 2014, 11:23:28 PM
That discussion went off tracks. So lets go back to the basics.

To develop a thread, you need to post valuable information, able to trigger a discussion. The valuable information nowadays is the one, leading to a possible profit. As there are a lot of new crypto adopters, that information is concerning the altcoins. Don't forget that the boom of the popularity of the cryptomining came after the peak of the BTC price to $1200. In these times, many people (including me) have heard the words "Bitcoin", "Cryptocurrency", "mining rig" for the first time. And as you know very well, the train called "BTC mining" for these people has departed the station few months ago. So their only option became the Alts. You know the drill - mine Alts, turn in BTC, turn in FIAT money. Anyway, for the "newcomers", there is no "BTC pie" left. Everything is divided and consumed. In fact, without an almost insane investment, you cannot get a profit from direct BTC mining even in a country with quite low electricity price like ours (Bulgaria). The benefit for the early BTC adopters and miners is that the Altcoin miners generate a signifficant part of the market cap of the Bitcoin. In general, you can do the math. Therefore, the confrontation BTC vs. Alts is ridiculos. It is not a secret that there are alts with grades better features than BTC regarding anonimity, transfer speed etc. But we still use BTC as a point of profit calculation, revenue tool and payment method. And there is no alternative. BTC is the flag. It is the pioneer and the best-known synonim for cryptocurrency. If it will keep its cuppent position - future will tell.

But in general, we need a simple thing - let us develop our thread. Even if it is with a occasional altcoin OP translations. Anyway we don't have other thread, where we can post something in our native language. These translated OPs are information. And that information can trigger the interest to that thread, can trigger the Bulgarian users of that forum to start asking questions, share information etc. Anyway, there is not much other information that can be shared. E.g. - a 10 page topic, concerning a new miner software can be summarised in a single message of few words - "use drivers v xx.xxbeta, download the miner from <here>, set these parameters in your conf." And that is all. All the info mashed and served with silver spoon. And a strawberry ontop. E.g. here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56593.msg7517643#msg7517643)

In general - let us be. We have a single topic. No other place to share info regarding a potential profit. And you apply to us Catch 22. "Develop your thread, but don't share any valuable info." Erm... I would highly appreciate a plain and simple information how we are supposed to do that?

Thank you in advance.

P.S. Пичoвe, нe c poгитe :) He ce вpъзвaйтe нa тия чeбъpи, дeтo ce кльoфнaxa тyкa дa дигaт oлeлия и дa oмaжaт пeйзaжa, тaкa чe иcкaнeтo ни дa oтидe y pякaтa. Oт твa фaйдa нeмa.

P.P.S. Don't bother "google translating" the above - you will get an utter nonsence :) Google is not enough sophisticated to translate a mix of bulgarian dialects ;)


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: -ck on June 26, 2014, 05:29:58 AM
Or the proper past tense of the verb 'to pay'? You should know this if you claim you're a translator.
I'll give you a hint, it's not 'payed'.
Interestingly there is still a valid use for 'payed' though it's not the same as the correct 'paid' but that seems an extraordinarily common mistake on these forums. I believe it's along the lines of 'payed out on someone' though I digress. Sorry for off topic grammar discussion but I'm easily amused by the errors I see on bitcointalk and even more so when people try to correct what is already correct.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: restless on June 26, 2014, 08:42:39 AM
This is stupid, you would have an alt coin section if you had more traffic, each foreign section has to have enough people that it matters to add the section. At 0.17 posts per day, Theymos probably wouldn't consider adding an alt coin section. Also, translating alt coin announcement threads into other languages will get deleted 90% of the time, the exception for the most part is country coins.

Anyone trying to say Bitcointalk hates Bulgarians is a complete moron.
Then why Bulgarians can't translate, but Romanians can?
I still wait to read an answer
As a member of EU I have equal rights... but not on this forum
Why Chech thread is not moderated in same way?
Double standards.

Bulgarian translates text. SPAM
Romanian translates its ok.
Now. Tell me this is not segragation
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Ethnic+segregation

Quote
Noun   1.   racial segregation - segregation by race
petty apartheid - racial segregation enforced primarily in public transportation and hotels and restaurants and other public places
separatism, segregation - a social system that provides separate facilities for minority groups

I feel like living again before Berlin Wall was brought down

Too bad many of moderators are too young , they could perfectly fit into Ceaușescu's Securitate


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: restless on June 26, 2014, 08:54:07 AM


The burden of proof lies upon you, not me. I don't need to answer any of those questions.

I actually did take the liberty to gather a bit of information though!

This year, there's only been 53 posts in the Bulgarian section (I've made more posts by myself last week alone).

You are funny. Try making discussions with 1 and only 1 allowed thread. If right now, I post another thread, what will happen?
You obviously don't realize how many of bigger pools, for example, are hosted or run by bulgarians.
The amazing thing is that 4 other bulgarians started writing in this topic... altho I didn't put a link to it. They found the topic by themselves.

How many of moderators started writing here from pure curiosity and how many were asked to help?


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: restless on June 26, 2014, 08:57:50 AM
Moderators say that Bulgarians are forbidden to translate to Bulgarian.

Pretty bold stuff, care to quote that?
Can you find it or I should help you?
Quote
If you don't have a dedicated section for whatever reason (which I covered already), then you shouldn't post it.

I still wait for explanation, how forbidding what is allowed for other nationality is not segregation.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: BadBear on June 26, 2014, 08:59:45 AM

The amazing thing is that 4 other bulgarians started writing in this topic... altho I didn't put a link to it. They found the topic by themselves.


I was giving you the benefit of the doubt til now, but now I know you're trolling. Posted in the Bulgarian thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56593.msg7485310#msg7485310

For posterity before you delete it.
Eтo къдe https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663829.msg7484373#msg7484373
мoдepaтopитe oбяcнявaт чe нa бългapитe ce зaбpaнявa дa пишaт зa нoви мoнeти
Pycнaцитe мoгaт.
Pyмънцитe мoгaт, вceки мoжe, caмo бългapитe - нe.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: bluefirecorp on June 26, 2014, 09:21:01 AM
You are funny. Try making discussions with 1 and only 1 allowed thread.

Erm, this thread is a perfect example of "discussions with 1 and only 1 allowed thread". There's NOW more post here in 2-3 days than what's been posted in 6 months on the Bulgarian thread. Does that mean this thread should get a dedicated section?

You obviously don't realize how many of bigger pools, for example, are hosted or run by bulgarians.

And what does that have to do with the bitcointalk community? If they were active members here, and posted in that section, you would have a point. But obviously, they don't.

Edit:


The amazing thing is that 4 other bulgarians started writing in this topic... altho I didn't put a link to it. They found the topic by themselves.


I was giving you the benefit of the doubt til now, but now I know you're trolling. Posted in the Bulgarian thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56593.msg7485310#msg7485310

For posterity before you delete it.
Eтo къдe https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663829.msg7484373#msg7484373
мoдepaтopитe oбяcнявaт чe нa бългapитe ce зaбpaнявa дa пишaт зa нoви мoнeти
Pycнaцитe мoгaт.
Pyмънцитe мoгaт, вceки мoжe, caмo бългapитe - нe.

Don't forget about the race card. He's gone and pulled the race card again!

Can I pull the race card too? I mean, pig latin doesn't even have a thread! What's that about? I mean, come on, a lot of members know pig latin! I demand a section in which I'm moderator of today!

Oh, don't delete my reported, off-topic posts in the pig latin either! Otherwise, I'll have to tell on you!


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: gondel on June 26, 2014, 09:31:45 AM
There is just very few Bulgarians on this forum this is why there is not much activity in the Bulgarian threat. In my opinion nobody has forbidden translation and speaking in Bulgarian in this forum. I personally do not like all the shitcoins nowadays and spamming all over the place about new one translated in 20 languages. There was even several posts in English in the Bulgarian threat for a long time spamming for some shitcoin and that was too annoying for me. This is not true that we Bulgarians are not allowed to write about new coins, it is just wrong and ridiculous to say such things.
BR
Gondel


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: pandacoin on June 26, 2014, 09:42:04 AM
There is just very few Bulgarians on this forum this is why there is not much activity in the Bulgarian threat. In my opinion nobody has forbidden translation and speaking in Bulgarian in this forum. I personally do not like all the shitcoins nowadays and spamming all over the place about new one translated in 20 languages. There was even several posts in English in the Bulgarian threat for a long time spamming for some shitcoin and that was too annoying for me. This is not true that we Bulgarians are not allowed to write about new coins, it is just wrong and ridiculous to say such things.
BR
Gondel

They can talk about altcoins on Altcoin board. Show respect to Bulgarians who want to read BITCOIN discussion in BITCOINtalk forum. Nobody has any rights to clutter Bulgarian (and other one thread Local languages) thread with stupid altcoin spam.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: theymos on June 26, 2014, 01:19:24 PM
Then why Bulgarians can't translate, but Romanians can?
I still wait to read an answer
As a member of EU I have equal rights... but not on this forum
Why Chech thread is not moderated in same way?
Double standards.

Bulgarian translates text. SPAM
Romanian translates its ok.
Now. Tell me this is not segragation
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Ethnic+segregation

Quote
Noun   1.   racial segregation - segregation by race
petty apartheid - racial segregation enforced primarily in public transportation and hotels and restaurants and other public places
separatism, segregation - a social system that provides separate facilities for minority groups

I feel like living again before Berlin Wall was brought down

Too bad many of moderators are too young , they could perfectly fit into Ceaușescu's Securitate

Oh noes, mah rights
bitcointalk is literally hitler
EU save me!


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: theymos on June 26, 2014, 01:26:48 PM
As has already been said, there aren't enough Bulgarian users to warrant an entire section, but altcoin stuff doesn't belong in the Other Languages section. So there is no valid place for Bulgarian altcoin messages, and this stuff is therefore not allowed anywhere on this forum.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: tysat on June 26, 2014, 03:26:29 PM
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Oh noes, mah rights
bitcointalk is literally hitler
EU save me!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law for the uninformed


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: WildChaser777 on June 26, 2014, 03:53:01 PM
Did I tell you to get out with your B.S. ? Don't make me go search your post history. I'm sure I'll find quite a lot of non sences there. Just not in the mood to f*ck your dignity up. Not yet. And when you learn a foreign language other than your native, then you will have the right to speak. We don't need you here.

"non sences". Okay. It's the internet broseph, there is no dignity. Also, I'm currently learning French, however, I don't try to correct other people's French.

I'm smart enough to know a French speaker probably knows what they're saying IN French.

If you speak French at a decent level, you would have seen that "payed" was a typo mistake. "Payer" means "To pay" in French, therefore typo mistake - I wrote "payed" instead of "paid". I'm a B2/C1 francophone. Mods here obviously ain't perfect, so am I (at least I have the balls to admit my mistakes, but you don't). Now GTFO, fils de salope (new French word for you).

Oh noes, mah rights
bitcointalk is literally hitler
EU save me!

Yes, Bitcointalk's administration apparently is acting like a fat a$$ bureaucrat - cutting the way up of the newcomers. I'm out, go cry to someone else, my opinion won't change for you from now on.

P.S. EU is Hitler Nr.2.


Title: Re: Question about forum moderation
Post by: Cyrus on June 26, 2014, 04:30:12 PM
Caution! Feeding the troll.

If you speak French at a decent level, you would have seen that "payed" was a typo mistake1. "Payer" means "To pay" in French, therefore typo mistake1 - I wrote "payed" instead of "paid". I'm a B2/C1 francophone. Mods here obviously ain't perfect, so am I2 (at least I have the balls to admit my mistakes, but you don't). Now GTFO, fils de salope (new French word for you).

1No, a typo(short for typographical error) is something differnet(see what I did there?). Typing 'payed' instead of 'paid' is a grammatical error.
2'Neither am I'. You can take this short quiz to check if you understand the differences: Quiz: So do I & Neither do I (http://www.usingenglish.com/quizzes/68.html).