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Debunked all over the place.

Do your homework!

I have already done my research and my opinion is well-founded.

Is yours?

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Autism/Index.html

"As the country's leading public health agency, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is committed to protecting the health of all Americans–including infants, children, and adolescents. CDC shares with parents and many others great concern about the number of children with autism spectrum disorders (ASD). We are committed to understanding what causes autism, how it can be prevented, and how it can be recognized and treated as early as possible.

Recent estimates from CDC's Autism Developmental Disabilities Monitoring network found that about 1 in 68 children born in 2002 have ASD. This estimate is higher than estimates from the early 1990s. Over the years, some people have had concerns that autism might be linked to the vaccines children receive. One vaccine ingredient that has been studied specifically is thimerosal, previously used as a preservative in many recommended childhood vaccines. However, in 2001 thimerosal was removed or reduced to trace amounts in all childhood vaccines except for one type of influenza vaccine, and thimerosal-free alternatives are available for influenza vaccine. Evidence from several studies examining trends in vaccine use and changes in autism frequency does not support such an association between thimerosal and autism. Furthermore, a scientific reviewExternal Web Site Icon by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) concluded that "the evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal–containing vaccines and autism." CDC supports the IOM conclusion that there is no relationship between vaccines containing thimerosal and autism rates in children."

http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4026.pdf

"One Thing We Know About Autism: Vaccines Aren't to Blame
Anti-vaccine advocate Jenny McCarthy has a new platform on The View. Experts hope she won't spread more lies."

"published—and later retracted—in the journal Lancet. In 2010, Great Britain stripped Andrew Wakefield, the lead author of the study, of his medical license. An investigation had deemed his research an elaborate fraud.

But in those dozen years, fear of lifesaving immunizations took hold of millions of parents. Jenny McCarthy—former Playmate of the year, model, actress, and soon-to-be cohost of the television show The View—fueled parental fears. She built a movement around the flawed theory. McCarthy, who has an autistic son, wrote Louder Than Words: A Mother's Journey in Healing Autism, correlating the increase in childhood vaccinations with the rise in autism worldwide.

"She is absolutely entitled to her opinion, but to say that it's fact when it's not fact is just wrong," says Glenn Braunstein, vice president of clinical innovation at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. "It's one step down from yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater when there is no fire. It's fear-mongering."

But the movement snowballed. Congress held hearings. More than 5,000 people petitioned a newly formed Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, charging that vaccines injured their children. (Courts eventually found no proven link between vaccines and autism.) Parents began saying no to immunizations, and the percentage of parents who delayed or refused vaccinations rose from 22 percent in 2003 to nearly 40 percent in 2008. For the first time in decades, the U.S. saw outbreaks of diseases like measles, mumps, and whooping cough.

Completely Discredited

The original research began to be discredited as early as 1999, when two studies commissioned by the U.K. Department of Health found no evidence that immunizations were associated with autism. In 2001, a panel of 15 experts from the Institute of Medicine, which advises Congress, found no connection between the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism. In 2004, a comprehensive review by the Institute of Medicine found no causal relationship between vaccines and autism.

But it would take almost another decade for the furor to even begin to die down. A study this year in The Journal of Pediatrics may at last put the final nail in the coffin of the discredited research. In April, researchers published a study that looked at nearly 1,000 children and concluded that exposure to vaccines during the first two years of life was not associated with an increased risk of developing autism.

Maybe, just maybe, Jenny McCarthy won't even mention autism and vaccines from her new perch on The View. That's the hope of Paul Offit, chief of the Division of Infectious Diseases at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. "In a more rational world, this discussion would be un-reopenable," Offit says. "The answerable questions have all been answered." It's not the vaccine, or anything in the vaccine. It's not the number or timing of vaccinations. Scientifically, he says, we know that.

So what is causing an increase in autism? We don't know for sure, says Offit, but the best data are genetic, involving several genes required for brain development that may generate abnormalities even in the womb. Some researchers have found a connection between older fathers and an increased risk of autism in their children. Or the increase could be due to more awareness of autism and a broader definition of the disorder.

Those theories require a lot more research. The vaccine theory does not. It was thoroughly investigated, and it doesn't hold up"

Bang, bang!
 
You just got shot down!

Bang, bang!

That awful sound!

Ban g, ban; the TRUTH just shot you down!

Further, your horseshit is killing children!

http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.html

Stop killing children!

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm

And this!:

"What Would Happen If We Stopped Vaccinations?

Before the middle of the last century, diseases like whooping cough, polio, measles, Haemophilus influenzae, and rubella struck hundreds of thousands of infants, children and adults in the U.S.. Thousands died every year from them. As vaccines were developed and became widely used, rates of these diseases declined until today most of them are nearly gone from our country. 

    Nearly everyone in the U.S. got measles before there was a vaccine, and hundreds died from it each year. Today, most doctors have never seen a case of measles.
    More than 15,000 Americans died from diphtheria in 1921, before there was a vaccine. Only one case of diphtheria has been reported to CDC since 2004.
    An epidemic of rubella (German measles) in 1964-65 infected 12½ million Americans, killed 2,000 babies, and caused 11,000 miscarriages. In 2012, 9 cases of rubella were reported to CDC.

Given successes like these, it might seem reasonable to ask, “Why should we keep vaccinating against diseases that we will probably never see?”  Here is why:

 
Vaccines don’t just protect yourself.

Most vaccine-preventable diseases are spread from person to person. If one person in a community gets an infectious disease, he can spread it to others who are not immune. But a person who is immune to a disease because she has been vaccinated can’t get that disease and can’t spread it to others. The more people who are vaccinated, the fewer opportunities a disease has to spread.

illustration: if only some get vaccinated, the virus spreads. if most get vaccinated, spreading is contained.

If one or two cases of disease are introduced into a community where most people are not vaccinated, outbreaks will occur. In 2013, for example, several measles outbreaks occurred around the country, including large outbreaks in New York City and Texas – mainly among groups with low vaccination rates. If vaccination rates dropped to low levels nationally, diseases could become as common as they were before vaccines.


Diseases haven’t disappeared.

The United States has very low rates of vaccine-preventable diseases, but this isn’t true everywhere in the world. Only one disease — smallpox — has been totally erased from the planet. Polio no longer occurs in the U.S., but it is still paralyzing children in several African countries. More than 350,000 cases of measles were reported from around the world in 2011, with outbreaks in the Pacific, Asia, Africa, and Europe. In that same year, 90% of measles cases in the U.S. were associated with cases imported from another country. Only the fact that most Americans are vaccinated against measles prevented these clusters of cases from becoming epidemics.

planeDisease rates are low in the United States today. But if we let ourselves become vulnerable by not vaccinating, a case that could touch off an outbreak of some disease that is currently under control is just a plane ride away.


A final example: what could happen.

We know that a disease that is apparently under control can suddenly return, because we have seen it happen, in countries like Japan, Australia, and Sweden. Here is an example from Japan. In 1974, about 80% of Japanese children were getting pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine. That year there were only 393 cases of whooping cough in the entire country, and not a single pertussis-related death. Then immunization rates began to drop, until only about 10% of children were being vaccinated. In 1979, more than 13,000 people got whooping cough and 41 died. When routine vaccination was resumed, the disease numbers dropped again.
The chances of your child getting a case of measles or chickenpox or whooping cough might be quite low today. But vaccinations are not just for protecting ourselves, and are not just for today. They also protect the people around us (some of whom may be unable to get certain vaccines, or might have failed to respond to a vaccine, or might be susceptible for other reasons). And they also protect our children’s children and their children by keeping diseases that we have almost defeated from making a comeback.  What would happen if we stopped vaccinations?  We could soon find ourselves battling epidemics of diseases we thought we had conquered decades ago."

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm

Do your homework and stop being a jackass!

I think they do cause autism.
And even if they don't, they are poison anyway, so I'm not going to take them.

You're crazy. You can't actually be serious can you?

I assume you were immunized as a child. But are you saying that if you had kids(do you?) you wouldn't get them their shots?

You're crazy. You can't actually be serious can you?

I assume you were immunized as a child. But are you saying that if you had kids(do you?) you wouldn't get them their shots?

There seems to be a slight split of opinions on vaccinations. Here's a link that everyone should visit to learn all about the topic:

http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/

Who the fuck spends that much on a domain name just to troll people? LOL :D.... Oh wait, that's exactly the sort of thing I'd do if I had the money.

I think they do cause autism.
And even if they don't, they are poison anyway, so I'm not going to take them.

What is it, like $7 dollars or something to register a domain and a buck a month to host it? :P

You're wrong and are going to cause people to die.

Why I am wrong?
H1N1 vaccine caused narcolepsy, even doctors admitted it.
And I'm sure other vaccines will have other side effects too, they sell them for money.

If a vaccine is used in modern medicine then whatever side effects are there outweigh the dangers of not being vaccinated. Children die because of people like you. You should seriously consider what your willing to do in the name of 'fighting the system'.

Well that's where I disagree, if there were definitive proof that these vaccines did serious harm to children then by all means I'd be fighting it as well, but really this is just a case of paranoid delusion, if it really were the case that vaccines caused this many problems then doctors would be up in arms, because you know, there are people who choose to become doctors to help people, that's why you can trust them more than say a politician.

Well that's where I disagree, if there were definitive proof that these vaccines did serious harm to children then by all means I'd be fighting it as well, but really this is just a case of paranoid delusion, if it really were the case that vaccines caused this many problems then doctors would be up in arms, because you know, there are people who choose to become doctors to help people, that's why you can trust them more than say a politician.

The vaccine you guys are referring to is called "Pandemrix", it has been discontinued by GSK.

Most vaccines have side effects, some more serious than others. You just have to balance the benefits and the probability/gravity of the side effects yourself. I would give my children vaccines for serious illnesses and never for flu.

If people are so worried about vaccine side effects, what about antibiotics or common paracetamol? They have side effects too, where do you draw the line?

In the UK, the MMR vaccine was the subject of controversy after publication of a 1998 paper by Andrew Wakefield et al. reporting a study of twelve children who had bowel symptoms along with autism or other disorders, including cases where onset was believed by the parents to be soon after administration of MMR vaccine.[33] In 2010, Wakefield's research was found by the General Medical Council to have been "dishonest",[34] and The Lancet fully retracted the original paper.[35] The research was declared fraudulent in 2011 by the British Medical Journal.[36] Several subsequent peer-reviewed studies have failed to show any association between the vaccine and autism.[37]

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,[38] the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences,[39] the UK National Health Service[40] and the Cochrane Library review[17] have all concluded that there is no evidence of a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.

Administering the vaccines in three separate doses does not reduce the chance of adverse effects, and it increases the opportunity for infection by the two diseases not immunized against first.[37][41] Health experts have criticized media reporting of the MMR-autism controversy for triggering a decline in vaccination rates.[42] Before publication of Wakefield's findings, the inoculation rate for MMR in the UK was 92%; after publication, the rate dropped to below 80%. In 1998, there were 56 measles cases in the UK; by 2008, there were 1348 cases, with 2 confirmed deaths.[43]

In Japan, the MMR vaccination has been discontinued, with single vaccines being used for each disease. Rates of autism diagnosis have continued to increase, showing no correlation with the change.[44]

Is this a real thing???? And i thought you could trust today's medic system  >:(. I hate doctors so much , they told vaccines were good for you. I'll never take vaccines again, and i'm gonna tell all my friends and family to not get vaccines!!!!

I don't have kids. I wouldn't give them shots if I would have.

Ah, PTL. At least your branch of idiocy will end with you.

I'm not convinced either way, to be honest. ???

Some people simply should not breed.

I don't like vaccines, so I should die? Seems legit.
You guys have very strong argumentation skills  ::)

If it seems harsh at least consider it from the point of view of someone who has children who are potentially in danger of losing their lives because of people like you who ignore scientific evidence and decide to make up their own minds based upon their own feelings.

Not that I'm saying I think you should die. But anti-vaxers impose a legitimate threat upon the lives of children everywhere and thus it's not surprising that people can make an argument that they shouldn't be allowed to continue to put others in danger.

you halfwit, vaccines ARE the treatment, this is why so many in the world think Americans are stupid and I'm from the UK where we have this:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54204000/jpg/_54204967_54204966.jpg

This is as stupid as when there are populations that get wiped out by aids etc. because they're so religious they refuse to wear a fucking condom, on a fairly ironic note though, they're proving Darwin's theory of evolution by doing this, since when did these forums get infested by so many neo-cons?

If they give their children vaccines, what does it matter to them do I give it to my children?
Don't their kids already have immunity so my kids aren't going to infect them.

Most of those diseases can be treated, and most of death caused by them happens at developing countries, why don't we just make hospitals into them? (Oh, yeah, it is too expensive and they don't have money to pay for treatments)

Because the children who don't get their vaccines can bring back diseases that were virtually eradicated and not every child is old enough to have the full course of standard vaccines yet.

What if there was a vaccine that was 100% proven to cause zero side effects, not even one in a million chance of mild symptoms. Would you take that/give if to your children or are you just being obtuse for the sake of it?

If there would be zero side effects and it is proved believable, of course, why not.

The ones used today either have side effects so minor they're not worth concern or the chance of a major side effect is so low that it's not even worth considering, so why not use our current vaccines?

you halfwit, vaccines ARE the treatment, this is why so many in the world think Americans are stupid and I'm from the UK where we have this:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54204000/jpg/_54204967_54204966.jpg

This is as stupid as when there are populations that get wiped out by aids etc. because they're so religious they refuse to wear a fucking condom, on a fairly ironic note though, they're proving Darwin's theory of evolution by doing this, since when did these forums get infested by so many neo-cons?

They are the best we got and they are far better than none at all

I don't like vaccines, so I should die? Seems legit.
You guys have very strong argumentation skills  ::)

wait what? How does that prove Darwinian evolution?

Do you even have the slightest idea about scientific evidence? I guess not.

Well done, anti-vaxxers:

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/measles-outbreak-traced-back-single-unvaccinated-child  :'(

I wish everyone just clicked the link. It'd make this thread a lot better.  ::)

I dont get the vaccines for autism.

Sure a vaccine can save lives and eradicate disease  and are very useful for this, however

What else can they do?


The programs in Africa and elsewhere are masked as philanthropy and providing health services for poor Africans. In reality they involve involuntary population sterilization via vaccination and other medicines that make women of child-bearing age infertile. …

http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/10/10/is-the-cdcs-mandated-vaccine-schedule-a-health-disguised-compulsory-sterilization-program-by-william-davies/


The picture becomes clearer when we learn that our Rockefeller-friend John D. the Third back in the 1950's also began advocating that all vaccines should have added Mercury. That served a tripple purpose: Mercury works as a preservative. It can help the chemical industry get rid of a highly toxic waste product (just like Fluoride in toothpaste did). And, most important, the Mercury is absorbed in our body, is not automatically excreted and has various toxic effects.

http://rense.com/general79/vaxcc.htm


Microsoft founder Bill Gates told a recent TED conference, an organization which is sponsored by one of the largest toxic waste polluters on the planet, that vaccines need to be used to reduce world population figures in order to solve global warming and lower CO2 emissions.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/bill-gates-use-vaccines-to-lower-population.html


"Using WHO-recommended technologies like Gas Chromatography (GC) and Radio-Immuno assay, Dr. Kaita, upon analysis, found evidence of serious contamination. "Some of the things we discovered in the vaccines are harmful, toxic; some have direct effects on the human reproductive system,"

http://www.axiomatica.org/revealing-the-matrix/eugenicsdepopulation/1037-vaccines-as-depopulation-tools


 Recombinant birth control vaccine
United States Patent 5733553

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5733553.html


edit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB0FOjzvjiA

I was about to sigh when I read the title of this thread. Good post OP. I like that website lol.

In the 1976 in the USA was epidemic of swine flu. ONE person died because of that. After this incident government ordered vaccinate for people. From the side effect of this vaccine 30 people died and 500 got ill for Guillain - Barre syndrome. Now tell me that vaccine is always good.

Could you at least cite something man? I have a hard time believing those numbers.

It doesn't take much googling to find sources about that incident.

• http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/swine-flu-vaccine-fearmongering/
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_swine_flu_outbreak

Yeah, I apologize. You are correct on that. "The strain itself killed one person and hospitalized 13.[citation needed] However, side-effects from the vaccine are thought to have caused five hundred cases of Guillain–Barré syndrome and 25 deaths.[3]". Do you think vaccines are still that bad though? I think all the improvements in technology would have not caused 25 deaths from vaccines today.

Humans make mistakes and vaccins. Sometimes both at the same time. While there are many checks, something like that could happen anytime in the future. It has been proven before that big pharma will try to "cheat" clinical trials to reduce their cost and maximize their profit...

While I agree it is less likely today, since (I assume) no government will rush a poorly tested vaccination like back then.

...snip...

Well are you sure big pharma will try to "cheat"? Aren't they the ones being sued if their vaccines cause harmful side effects?

I always believe that the mercury in the vaccines is what causes autism..

There is no mercury in vaccines nowadays.

I always believe that the mercury in the vaccines is what causes autism..

I love people who think there is any association between vaccines and autism. Easy dumbass indicator. Although i feel badly that their offspring were born to such a retard. Coincidence that incidences of measles, mumps, and rubella have gone up ten fold since senior expert and local porn star Jenna Jameson stated that vaccines gaves her kid autism? she spouts her vile and uneducated opinion all over The View. The sad part is people listen.

Along the lines of people who deny evolution. No hope for them.

Jenny McCarthy from MTV fame is who it was in case anyone was wondering.

I've got autism. I wouldn't want to have it cured. Enjoy me being more intelligent than you bitches!

Yeah.
Great boobs dosent always mean great mind

There is no mercury in vaccines nowadays.

What are you talking about...??

Yeah.
Great boobs dosent always mean great mind

what are you talking about?

she was smarter than Einstein, *and* Hitler

Being autistic really gives you a lot of time to think about everything without getting bored.

Not necessarily. There's a whole spectrum of function.

She's mis-quoted a lot.

She was never "anti-vaccine" but wants improvements in them.

And some of the things she has said are very logical.

e.g. she said that given a choice of Measles or Autism she'd take Measles anyday.

She's blasted for that, but think about it -

There is no cure for autism. The vast majority of people who get the Measles however get better.

I have an autistic brother and an autistic cousin. There are many types of autism, it's kind of a catch-all for several disorders that have some similar traits.

It's suspected I'm aspie but I've never officially been diagnosed, aspie may not be so bad - but what my brother has, he'll never be a functioning member of society. Most people get the Measles are.

Jenny McCarthy wants safer vaccines, she wants parents to have the option of giving them one at a time to see if there are reactions rather than all at once as is common now, etc.

Yes, she did link autism to vaccines but at the time, there was a peer reviewed paper backing that up. Even then she didn't want them abolished, she wanted them made safer.

But she's blonde and has money so she's a target that many people love to hate without looking at what she actually said in the context she said it.

It's called confirmation bias. You want her to be a nutcase so you can hate upon her, so all you care about is sound-bites whether or not there is context with them. And that is less intelligent than a blonde with boobs, that's willful ignorance.