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Community,

Promote centralization of the Bitcoin mining network.  It will crash soon after.  

Why should the community do this?  Name one good thing Bitcoin has done for you other than reducing transaction fees.  You can't.  Bitcoin hasn't ended the fed, hasn't fixed the divide of wealth in society, has hindered our economy more than it has helped, has promoted corruption on a massively unprecedented scale…

PROMOTE CENTRALIZATION TO END BITCOIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=armNJPSFOCI

how to be a subversive to end the bitcoin and fight corruption. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8K5Nm-_gac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8K5Nm-_gac)

Do you have anything other than YT video for sources?

Good luck with your current project.  :D

I dont wanna be subversive.  I want to eat pizza and be happy.

It sounds like your issue is more with the Bitcoin foundation.
You mentioned Gavin and Jeff.

I think a lot of people would agree with you here.  Personally
I take a neutral stance on the foundation.

Regardless,  I see no reason for you to bash Bitcoin the protocol.

For you maybe.

It has ended my use of the fed.

Not sure you will get a lot of support for your new found "project". Or are you just looking for views?

I love the technology, the decentralized consensus is awesome.  I am a crypto 2.0 developer and see awesome potential in the technology but Bitcoin is not the potential.  This was and is a bubble caused by Fed inflation that will end as soon as mining is centralized.  

My sources are me, my experience, mathematical skill, and implementations of the technology make me a valid source.


I did the math proofs for datacoin's algorithm on the Alt block chains forum in November 2013.  Datacoin is one of the most innovative ledgers out there and it is being used to launch StorJ, the first Crypto 2.0 to hit the market.  

If these other cryptocurrencies are as great as you think they are, they will succeed on their own merits
without you asking people to help crash Bitcoin.  Come on now...
 

until we crash bitcoin...

Of course they will succeed on their own just as surely as Bitcoin will find the end of its life cycle and die. 

I have been spending many an hour to find a usable Storj client, or at least, anything beyond a pretty website. Do you have links to a working impelementation?

And no, don't post another YT vid.

Yes, surely.  Look into Dankcoin.  I think it will mark the beginning of a new era.

He's just looking for views.

Bitcoin takes central power out of the control of governments. It puts the power IN THE PEOPLE. Bitcoin is the god damn definition of democracy.

StorJ has not been released yet.  It likely will not be released for some time as there is growing dissent in the bitcoin community where developers feel they have been exploited by investors.  

THIS IS A PROPAGANDA LIE

Satoshi's original code was hacked and 184 billion BTC were created.  What happened? Gavin Andresen deleted the additional coins and restarted the network from a previous point.  



In a democracy, if a rich guy has all the gold until one day it begins raining gold, and the rich guy says "hey that gold isn't supposed to be there!!!"  Would the community gather up all the gold and bury it so the rich guy could keep his position in society?  Do you enjoy your enslavement to the wealthy that much??

THIS HAPPENED IN BITCOIN

Ok your a troll/hacked account, your stupid lies are not even remotely amusing.

Go back to your troll cave.

Calm down:
Even if that really happened, it was Alpha software...Gavin fixed it and now BTC is growing up.  :)

So let me get this straight…

"Satoshi's" 1 million BTC were diluted to 1,000,000 / 184,001,000,000

and the "democratic community" opted to return Satoshi's $600,000,000 worth of BTC?  

How many times has democracy elected to give you $600,000,000?

not even worth debunking this... time to abandon thread.

No, this was in 2010, over 2 years after bitcoin was released.  

Bitcoin was released in 2009, and 'Alpha' can last more than a year.
Details are important, please be more accurate.  :P

please say how the community unanimously elected through democracy to give Satoshi 1,000,000 bitcoins when his software failed

Satoshi charged a very high fee for his services.  :D
Seriously, the large early mining isn't "fair" but he did announce it publicly, so many people think it was done properly.  

And then his network failed and rather than fork and restart…

Gavin Andresen (on the take) restores the previous proportions of BTC distribution and continues from there. 

vitnage, thats because they didnt think Bitcoin would make it as large as it is today, they cant freaking see the future.

Calm your tits.

No, its because Bitcoin claims to be transparent and democratic, but it has been corrupt from the beginning.  Community members have propagated this lie of equality to get open source developers to work on Bitcoin. 

However, Bitcoin is a rat hole investment scheme that utilized the Winklevoss twins as front men to push prices higher.  It is the same scam outlined in "The Wolf of Wall Street."

Oh, yea because the first days of Bitcoin, flaws were found as it was the first cryptocurrency ever made, and because it had a few flaws while in early Beta, that means the whole thing is corrupt.

Yea your logic makes complete sense...(sarcasm)

The only claim of bit coin's productivity:

"It costs almost nothing to move nothing around the world!!!"

IT MIGHT AS WELL BE A SHAMWOW INFOMERCIAL

After 1 year of mining and 2 years of vetting the software had a fatal flaw.  The distribution of BTC didn't restart tho… Gavin Andresen stepped in to save the profits of the organization paying him. 

Yea after 1 year(not yet 2 years), in relative obscurity with only a few individuals(less than 100) even knowing Bitcoin existed. And satoshi only started working on it in 2007, and it was released in 2009. so 2009-2010 is 1 year.

As I said again, they didnt know Bitcoin would reach this far, and the software did not have a fatal flaw.....Talking to you(a troll) who continues to lie is just pathetic. Im not gonna bother responding to your lies anymore. Pce

BTW, what drugs are you high on right now?

Except you can't point out where I've lied… 

Not a fatal flaw? Being able to arbitrarily create 184,000,000,000 BTC is not a fatal flaw in your opinion?

In case you havent noticed, that problem was already solved...back in fucking 2010. Take your trolling elsewhere.

this will be my last post in this thread.

From the wiki (from Myths section)

Yes, and the proportions of BTC returned to an even distribution?  Oh wait, they didn't.  In your mind the community "unanimously democratically elected" to award Satoshi Nakamoto 1,000,000 BTC.  

Oh wait, Gavin Andresen is on the pay roll of some organization… and he's the one who decided how the BTC would be distributed after the fatal flaw…

*Yakamoto has entered the ring*

If it's so bloody fatal, why do we not see 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 artificial coins everywhere?

The issue was solved, and it was reset to preserve Bitcoin, but it may very well have been just to save profits. I doubt the latter, however, as BTC was maybe dollars back then. Not tens or hundreds.

You tried.

Are you this damn stupid. Back then, 1 BTC wasnt even worth $1. Gavin was on no one's payroll. There was NO bitcoin foundation. There were no mining companies. It was simply an error, and they didnt think btc would get to be this big.

No, it was *fixed* so Gavin Andresen could save his boss' money.  However, there was no reset, just corruption moving forward in a corrupt manner.  

Nobody can deny the levels of corruption in crypto currency at the moment.  It is absurd!  This has to end somehow!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=693342.0

Let's play a game.

You find me these 184 billion coins, and I'll consider your ranting. Trace them from the input address to their final destination, as well as a list of addresses containing 184 billion BTC total.

And Photoshop is easy to spot.

Same with HTML modification.

Timer starts now.

OTHER THAN MY CHALLENGE, EVERYONE IGNORE THE TROLL. "If you and a fool are arguing on the side of a street and a passerby watches you, he won't be able to tell the difference."

the BTC distribution should have restarted by all accounts. 

Obviously they were deleted!!! DUH!!!  Why weren't BTC proportions restarted from neutral at that time?!

WHAT HAPPENED IS THE EQUIVALENT OF ONE GUY HAVING ALL THE GOLD UNTIL ONE DAY IT RAINS GOLD… AND THEN EVERYONE DECIDES TO COLLECT AND DESTROY THE NEW GOLD SO THAT THE ORIGINAL MONOPOLY CAN BE RESTORED

IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!

PROMOTE CENTRALIZED MINING SO THAT IT WILL CRASH

 :o

I smell a bit of "reverse psychology" at play here :p

Do you think that writing in all caps will make more people pay attention to you??? How old are you, 2?  ::)

Can anyone refute the absurdity of what happened without blaming it on "low prices at the time."  It makes absolutely no sense.  Clearly, Gavin and Satoshi believed in the importance and value of Bitcoin regardless of its market price at the time.  Why else would they be working on it?  They should have restarted from 0 BTC. 

Name one realistic manner in which BTC has hindered our economy.   Obviously it has made a lot of people a lot of money, but most importantly it has opened a whole new door to how money can be stored and used.

If you need to move a large amount of money, you can now do so on a thumbdrive without having to wait for a bankwire, or carry a suitcase full of cash.

embezzlement, fraud, and corruption.  It got many open source developers to work for free which is crap that I hate.  

Not to forget the potential to turn into a ponzi scheme.  When mining is centralized it will be like buying air from a company.  Mining will become centralized!!

When Satoshi and Winklevii dump on you and you realize they invested practically nothing, you will understand

 

You're overlooking something.  I figured this would be a good-enough comment to quote before you go off into all caps.

The community *did* choose, by a majority vote, to allow Gavin to implement a fix to the protocol.  The fact is that an overwhelming majority of the community seems to trust Gavin.  There have already been plenty of attempts to release Bitcoin clones under a  'more fair' distribution model (e,g, Bytecoin) but none of them have ever gained much traction.

There are literally hundreds of alternatives to Bitcoin, and it's obvious to anyone who's familiar with them that a good number of them are technically superior to Bitcoin in a lot of ways.  For now, Bitcoin seems to be 'good enough' to most people that use it.  Of course it's possible that something far superior could come along -- possibly from a team of professionals supported by a major financial player -- that would clearly out-compete Bitcoin.  But, to date, the community has *always* chosen by selecting the cryptocurrency software of its choice.  There is nothing stopping someone from releasing a fork and promoting it.

Are you fucking serious?

I think BTC distribution should have restarted at the time of fixing the exploit.  Also, recognize that BTC does have a life cycle and it will die eventually.  I believe we are nearing the end of that life cycle.  All I am asking, whether you adopt my view point of fairness or not, is that community members accelerate the decline of BTC by promoting centralized mining.  

It's not like I'm out here lying about my true intentions: I want to weaken BTC by promoting centralized mining

But seriously, imagine you were mining in 2010… that reset would have made about a $100,000,000 difference to your life right now!!!

That's not fair!! That's a swindle!!

September 12, 1962: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_choose_to_go_to_the_Moon

January 27, 1967: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_1

This crazy shit ain't gonna work! Shut it down!

Now, I'm going to PM Josh and beg him to take down that post.

Fucking with Joshua Zipkin is so much motherfuckin' fun.

The following is the content of what I'm PM'ing fucktard Joshua Zipkin. Bet he posts that as well.

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Josh, Please take down that last PM I sent you. If you do, I promise to leave you alone.

Bruno Kucinskas

Yes, you think and you have an opinion and you're sharing it.  You are voting by not using the software.  Those who are using it have elected to do so, so they've cast their votes, too.  Why promote centralization in a democratic -- if not at times seemingly anarchic -- community?

And why would someone just suddenly agree to *help destroy a multibillion-dollar market* if they don't agree with you?  ???

...You sure you've thought this through?  Good luck getting a profiting miner to stop so he can help devalue the currency he just mined :)

I will grant the OP has come up with a clever way to antagonize against large mining pools. Kind of tired of the FUD about all of this now.  

Mining's natural tendency appears to be towards centralization.  Promoting centralization doesn't require one to stop mining, it actually requires the developers to slowly make changes that will incentivize centralization. 

Developers can and will turn against bitcoin because it gets them to work for free which is total crap.  At the end of the day, open source developers are exploited by investors in the bitcoin community. 

So are you looking at it strictly from an investment standpoint?   Obviously like any speculative investment, there is a chance of losing a portion (or all), of your investment.   If you are looking at it as a way to transact, BTC is something that truly has never been done before.   That is really significant to be a part of that.  

Lol OP keep dreaming. You got to be just trolling? Attention seeking like a little kid...

I hate bitcoin from an investment perspective.  I like the technology and math.  The tech has lots of valuable implementations.  I do not think that currency is the best implementation. 

List of things I don't like about bitcoin…

1) exploitation of open source developers for investor profits
2) lack of functionality
3) lack of economic productivity
4) embezzlement, greed, corruption
5) profits are only made from investment of financial capital while labor results in 0 profits

Seriously, developer's efforts and gains were socialized for zero profit while total d-bags like the winklevii made a killing off of investing with daddy's money.  That is disgusting!!!

THIS IS THE REAL REASON WHY BTC MUST DIE!!!

Hey vintagetrex, look at this accurate quote:
"Lol OP keep dreaming. You got to be just trolling? Attention seeking like a little kid..." ~SirKoin99

I don't get it…

Anyways, the economic system needs changes.  This "make money by investing your daddy's money" is total bull shit.  Make money by investing your brain or labor.  However, BTC does the exact opposite of this.  It takes value created by open source developers and delivers that value to douche bag investors such as Winklevii

How can anyone get behind the exploitation of open source developers for the profits of Wall Street investors??  That is a disgusting business model.  That is the bitcoin model. 

Can anyone explain why BTC is worth $8 billion instead of $1 billion??

...NOPE

vintagetrex,

Have you always been such a bitcoin troll?  You've been around the forum for over a year, were you always so down on bitcoin or did something just go really wrong for you recently and that's why you seem to be so trollish on BTC?  I'm just curious, can you explain your story with something more than "mwa ha ha ha!"?

Yes,

I am fairly new to bitcoin.  I have known and understood bitcoin for about 18 months.  Other than being a full time student I previously worked summer internships as an inventor/theorist/developer for Exxon Mobil's Upstream Research Company.  My work was confidential.  

There is a big greed game being played in U.S. finance.  People with money are always trying to play an anticompetitive strategy against laborers.  When you work for a large company, they only offer you a one time payment of $1000 for an invention, even if it makes the company $1,000,000,000.  This is the contract you sign when you begin work, and it is the only contract used by fortune 500 companies.  The environment is completely anti competitive.  

So, where does the money go if you create an invention/product that profits billions of USD for the company in return for $1000?
the answer: shareholders, investors who didn't lift a finger

Bitcoin is the same but worse!!! They pay $0 to open source developers who create software that has produced billions in profits for… investors.  Someone who didn't contribute a line of code to the protocol or ever compute a single hash has made billions on bitcoin.  They haven't produced a single thing yet they have profited, moved up in society, secured a better life for their children, all while open source developers were left groveling over 1 paid position and 1 kicked back ASIC miner.  

THAT IS DISGUSTING

But wait, it gets worse.  You might ask, well why don't innovators not work for the large companies and pursue patents for themselves.  Well,… the same investment money has lobbied the USPTO so it is very inefficient and impractical for individuals or even start ups to utilize profitably.  

Innovators have 4 options:
1) start a company for the invention which will likely beaten by a larger company who may see the promise in your invention at a later time
2) file for patent which is a losing investment because you will be bust by a larger company
3) get low balled by corporate america
4) give tech away for free (open source) and hopefully get some altruistic feeling from it

How to fight back against the corruption of investment

• predict their position (long on bitcoin)
• analyze market liquidity (low)
• recognize flaws in the bitcoin model (centralized mining)
• decide your advantage (mobility, small investment in BTC)
• make a plan

1) sell your BTC
2) promote centralization
3) have BTC crash

So you want us to crash something we currently have that works because we have your word that a new coin that hasn't been released or had the code peer reviewed is coming out.

Um, dude, pass me the bowl. I want some of what you are smoking.

Also, Jeff Garzik's Bitpay has recently created a service called BitAuth.  The underlying cryptographic technology was invented by me.  I pitched the concept for a web start up at a bitcoin meet up in March.  Within 3 months the technology had been ripped by Jeff Garzik and implemented on Bitpay.

Within 1 month it was re-ripped from Bitpay and launched as a decentralized project called Block Auth.  At least block auth has a sense of humor about it as the name is clearly playing on "knock off"

Hah.... now i see where your hate comes from. Guess what boho?, the concept "might" be from you but you couldnt do a damn thing to bring it to life. Now you just hate btc because of you cant gain anything?

LOL why dont you just kill yourself then?

I was on the StorJ team at the Texas Bitcoin Conference Hackathon.  I already stated that I designed and help implement datacoin, with my specific contributions being the proof of work/storage algorithm.  

On day 2 of the Hackathon, we are clearly going to be awarded $250k and win.  Some guy on the team starts fighting with me because he wants more money for himself.  I end up leaving because he is harassing me and I haven't slept.  

So now you have private investors taking source code from the public domain that was contributed by me, making minor changes, paying for equity and then reselling it to the public.  WTF is that?!

Because I didn't put any of the profitable features on the website when pitching my start up.  As a result, these companies have ripped completely shit concepts.  I have learned to do this out of necessity.  When people know you're smart, they will send employees just to follow you around and find out what new concepts you have invented.  This is corruption at its worst.  

I hear you. I'm sure they will make copies of this thread and turn them into gold. Fck these corrupted rich ass bitches man.

Only way out is to end this life.

Btw, did you know i contributed in PFsense project? Damn i'm so mad now that i want to kill myself after reading your thread.

Actually, the way out is to end this economic system.  This can be done by releasing an alternative economic system that allows its users to gain from actively participating in the disruption of the current economy.  I released a 0 day exploit on how to hack the economy.  As a result, the people who funded the theft of my ideas will be losing their money. 

If it is your code and you did not release it under a FOSS license, get a lawyer.

Otherwise, tough shit.

its not my code its my math (which is way more valuable since theres 100s if not 1000s of people who can write the code but far fewer who can do the math)

I think maybe you are ok with your exploitation.  Your life probably has little meaning or validation for your existence. 

When you become activated for a cause you believe in, you will know.  Fighting for this cause has given my life new meaning.  It has validated my existence. 

Dont listen to him, BitAuth is OpenSource :https://github.com/bitpay/bitauth

I also doubt his integrity that its his "idea" as his purpose of this thread is to "kill" bitcoin out of spice.

Even if its true, i support innovation and growth,  not gaining "profits" for having an "idea".

So whoever asked why Bitcoin is economically bad…

It stifles innovation through greed and corruption (I am with holding several innovations from the community because I will not be compensated for them)

Bitcoin exploited a ton of open source developers for investors

Winklevii

Ponzi

Propaganda

Disinformation

I'm really not worried about having this concept jacked from me.  As stated, I intentionally only showed non profitable concepts when trying to launch my start up.  But ya, thats my concept for ubiquitous user authentication.  

Also, BitAuth has investors who are paying for the development and look to profit from BitAuth.  Both the programmer and the investor look to turn a profit from this transaction.  This opportunity was created by me and my brain, the only person not being paid.  

I would be correct in stating my only contribution is information.  However, the programmer's only contribution is information, and the investor's only contribution is likely information (bitcoins).  So how did I do less in bringing this to market??

Look - Open Source developers do what they do because they have a reason.

For some it is street cred.

For some it is their resume.

For some it is philosophy.

For some it is a hobby.

The truth is without developers, bitcoin wouldn't have happened and the investors would not have made money off of it.

But the truth also is without the investors, bitcoin would still be a nerd currency that no one takes seriously.

Are the investors profiting? Sure, but they also risked money. Those risks don't always work out, but without that risk they took, bitcoin wouldn't have gone anywhere.

This is my favorite argument to debunk…  "Investors take all the risks!!"

Well, as a kid I was a prodigy video gamer playing Halo 2.  My teachers said it was a waste of time.  My parents said it was a waste of time.  Everyone I knew said it was a waste of time.  My grades definitely suffered as a result.  Had I not played this game, I would probably have been top ranked in my high school class and attended an Ivy League school.  

Several years later, studies showed that Halo was one of the only games to increase your reasoning IQ.  My reasoning IQ is in the upper 99th percentile.  I have made the best mathematical proofs in crypto currency, some of the best inventions in the world, and this is largely due to my training playing video games as a kid.  Now who took the risk?

Without my risk, crypto currency would not have gone anywhere. 

how about no

Delusional.

vintagetrex

I have a prediction for you:

Bitcoin will be totally unaffected by you, this thread, or any of your brilliant ideas.  It will continue on as if you don't even exist.

Prove me wrong.  Release your alt.  What was that POS called again?

haha we will see man.  I clearly don't expect BTC to immediately collapse as a result of this thread.  I want to gather support for centralizing bitcoin mining.  This will take a few years.  

If BTC was released by a VC planning to use some high profile investors to create a ponzi, such as the Winklevosses… that 184 billion BTC hiccup is starting to look like a pretty huge scam!!!

My project is called the Nemesis

#gifted

i heard this before, wish i could remember where,

no matter , the references to Dune above are the best part of the thread

Muad'Dib will not allow you to crash Bitcoin.

http://cdn.filmschoolrejects.com/images/DUNE1-e1336658762484.jpg

OMG i love this game. Best strategy game ever :D

ok I'm done with this thread for the night.  hopefully I can convince people why Bitcoin is not a solution to society's problems but part of the cause

Dude, you have to remember bitcoin is in its infancy. its still in Beta for hells sakes...

Pls never wake up, google for tips.

Well if your claims to be such a brilliant math guru and developer, why not debunk them, by creating a better solution.

In that way, you just take away their clients in a natural way, without having to worry about "crashing" the bitcoin protocol.

You seem talented enough to do this, so pick up the pieces and build something better. There are massive oportunities for talented developers.

I would even go to work for the competitor, to spite or was that spice, them.  ;D {Yea I am also a dune baby}

 

So are we all posting in a troll thread? Why would any of us here want to crash the network most of us miltantly believe in?

Troll or not, there are valueble lessons to be learn from his/her experience. Keep your developments secret until you have brought it to market.

I have also been excited about a new idea, and mouthed off in forums, and next thing, someone with enough time implemented it, and profit from it. You have no claim, if it's not patented or if your origional code was used, without your concent, that is, if you can proof, that it was your code.

Learn something from this, I sure did.

credentials ?
your halo scores might not be enough to convince

I'm pretty sure that OP is mad for either not getting in on time (even though there is still time), or because Satoshi owns so many coins.

I made some rules for you

Crypto 2.0 Rules for Subversives
1. stop whining like a little baby the computer industry was built on stealing, passing and twisting information, ask Jobs, Gates, IBM and Zerox
2. Put your skills to better use, very few people (outside of developers) even know what open source even is, and a lot less truly care.
3. If you are so smart and so important as a developer, why not make your own crypto and compete with them that way.

And lastly if you want to crash bitcoin contact me I will sell you all of my bitcoins for 650 USD per satoshi and sell all my friends satoshi to you for 650 each minus my 75% referral fee :) and I promise never to own another part of bitcoin again. Let me be your first step in attaining your goal to "crash Bitcoin"

We need a Resource Based Economy, this is the next step in humanity, not fucking internet money with the same greed only mentality.

Sounds good.  Do that.  If that is what you believe why are you wasting your valuable time here?  You have your work cut out for you so get off this forum and go do it.

Great point. History has been cruel to communities who have given up the useful function that money plays in society.

Why don't RBE advocates start with a small community test example before demanding everyone else adopt their ideas? They already have enough advocates to pool together resources for this test project.

As soon as I move out of my parents basement I will get on that thanks.

Thanks for bursting my bubble (no pun intended). I was in a Star Trek state-o'-mind.

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I'm adding the follow PM I'm about to send to AMT. It was created to get Josh Zerlan to post the PM publicly, hence lying about creating the convo of which Joshua Zerlan truly did pen. Note the time state of the edit of this post and compare it the time stamp of the post/PM that I'm almost certain Josh Zerlan WILL be tricked into posting on his self-moderated thread. This fucker is so simply-minded, it's beyond belief.

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Hey, Josh. I know you're busy and all fucking people far and wide, East to West, and West to east, but is there anyway you can speed up that lawsuit you're going present me? Come on man, we're both Jewish. Don't let me down, Brother.

Bruno Kucinskas

PS: To any lawyer reading this: I fully intend to do my damndest to destroy the AMT brand, fuck up Joshua Zipkin's livelihood, and destroy his marriage. For good measure, I wish to fuck the living shit outta Amber, AMT's Night Moderator, and eat her tight Jewish pussy.

PSS: I really fucked you up in creating that imaginary convo, didn't I brother? Too bad they'll believe me and not your lying Jewish ass, you fuckin' pig!

I almost never quote myself but this is just too rich. Check out this guy's username.  Just too perfect.

Burn Baby Burn!

For all we know, Satoshi kept them all in a paper wallet that burned in a fire.

It seems the addresses we can somewhat reliably tie to him are never spent.

I hope that's not the case, but in some respects that would almost be hilarious.

-=-

One thing I've sometimes wondered is if he made a puzzle, brain wallet with clues, the one who figures the clues out gets a rather big payday.

Math is not (supposed to be) patentable.

I have a video for you to watch: Patent Absurdity: How software patents broke the system (http://patentabsurdity.com/)


That is a terrible lesson. I mouthed off a video streaming/compression idea on some forums. Nobody "stole" my idea and implemented it yet. I probably have to implement it myself to prove it works.

Again, software is not generally patentable: at least in relatively sane jurisdictions.

YES! Please crash Bitcoin, I gots ta have more cheap coinsssss!!!

http://static3.depositphotos.com/1007168/233/i/950/depositphotos_2339969-Greedy-Leprechaun-Run-with-a-Pot-of-Gold.jpg

Moron.

HELP CRASH BITCOIN ..??
I am certain you could find some enthusiastic support for "crashing" some alt coins.  :D

Come on guys, let's get together and work against our own interests!  :D

But seriously, who would ever thought bitcoin was going to end the fed and fix the wealth gap? You have been reading to much infowars crap. Bitcoin is money, that's all. If you failed to accumulate any wealth in dollars then it's not a good sign of your chances with bitcoin.
As far as your chances of "?crashing?" the network... Well, might you want to try crashing the U.S. dollar instead. It looks a lot weaker these days.

I Agree. Why theymos don't banned he?

What is the sense of all of this? Promote an alt coin and then the interest to fall bitcoin?  I'm amazed  ;D

It's just a selfie. Lost me at "Hi, in this video I'll be talking about..."

You're total crazy with your project  ;D

And if you want to know something, your project will fall in the next time ;)

We all need to do our owe homework, and use more then one source.  I prefer to use at least three or more.

Jerry

I am in.

What was the name of vintagetrex's POS alt coin?  Let's start there.

This person has to be joking. He has to be truly high. Because, yup, everyone will just crash Bitcoin.

I did a quick search and the last 40 posts he has made almost entirely in this thread (what a waste)
Someone will know the name of his alt coin, or I'm sure we can look forward to him returning and telling us.

@vintagetrex BTC is too successful for you to do any real damage:
Chill out and have some fun.

Bitcoin was clearly a huge scam that most of you fell for. It's laughable that you think Satoshi was some anonymous genius working as a lone wolf.  Satoshi is an anonymous front for an embezzlement, rat hole scam performed by an organization.  

The clues to this lie in the obvious corruption that can be seen with the 184 billion BTC exploit.  It's pretty sad how the community has had their altruistic beliefs misled.  

It's actually not against your own interest to sell your BTC and then promote it's demise. 

Well, you do have a couple of good points there but I am not sure about your conclusions.

Vintagetrex(the OP) is trying to promote an altcoin called, Datacoin. He mentioned it in this thread. And he's on some heavy drugs as well.

no, I am not promoting datacoin

AND THEN I SAY HOW THE TEAM MEMBERS FOR STORJ KICKED ME OFF THEIR TEAM SO OBVIOUSLY IM NOT PROMOTING THEM

What did you do to get kicked off?

Yeah I hate how many alt coins there are that are just the same darn thing. I don't know why op tried to find people to help him crash Bitcoin on a Bitcoin forum  :D :D :D

What clues then are indicated by corruption in other markets (e.g. DOGE forks, pump-and-dumps, etc.).  You conclusion that corruption implicates an organization is plausible, but a non-sequitur, don't you think?

By the way, you're still forgetting that the community *voted* to support the 184 billion BTC exploit fix.  If they didn't, nobody would be on the current blockchain.

I would promote crashing alt coins as well.  Shall we start there??

Plan

1) Crash 3 alt coins
2) Crash bitcoin

N1 try  ;D hf gl with crashing bitcoin ;)

Some of us might help you take down DataCoin so you can get back at them for kicking you off the team.  But you would have to pay us in BTC.

Where have you been all of my crypto life !? ;D

People living during the late 1700s were in a situation similar to the one we're in now. They had shitbanks with their printing presses and we have shitdevs/exchanges with their right clickers. Once again, history is repeating itself.

"Century of Enslavement: The History of The Federal Reserve" by the Corbett Report
http://youtu.be/5IJeemTQ7Vk

@ darkota  :-*

Is this the making of part 2 of the movie Antitrust ?

Have to get some popcorn and sprinkle a little spice on it...


Just out of curiosity, how many developers are working on the mining software? Won't this eventually become the transaction processing system once bitcoin is primed? Would regulations eventually take this aspect of bitcoin over? I just don't see mining centralizing any time soon, looks just the opposite right now.

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Wow this must be some kind of a new low.  Trying to fud/crash Bitcoin just to promote your altcoin.  Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.  This is a fail and in very poor taste I hope your coin fails and you wind up learning a lesson down the line.

You should get yourself a girlfriend. Crash bitcoin what a loser !!

Bitcoin is crypto fiat. NOT god(s). ;)

yea..i'm agree absolutely
Using Bitcoin is the first thing you can do to support Bitcoin. There are many conveniences that you can get by using Bitcoin. You can receive payments and make purchases with Bitcoin.


You can join the Bitcoin network by letting the original software is still running on your computer. Software to protect and deliver all user transactions. Can be considered the backbone of the network.

Don't you need a nation or some political authority to declare a fiat?  I'm totally confused.

Judging by the patriotic /religious /cult like reactions seen here, I'd say we're already there.

Bitcoin is crypto fiat?
What...Could you possibly expand on that and let us know what you are saying?

I do not drink, tyvm. :P

I believe it is you that should explain why and how Bitcoin is any different than this corrupt and userous system we have to endure.

Next iteration please.

Because:
1) Bitcoin isn't really inflatable.
2) It is backed by resources, namely mathematics and computational power. Also by goods and services.
3) It's by the people, for the people. Not by the government for the government.
4) It's decentralized
5) It's not paper, and it has been given more value by people BECAUSE it is pseudo-anonymous, and for the points listed above.
6) Better efficiency ratio when compared to traditional paper money.
7) Anyone anywhere can use it, and send it to anyone. No customs, no checks, nothing.
8.) Peer to peer. No middle man is necessary, leading into my next point,
9) Really low fees. Maybe cents, not 3-4% fees charged by credit card companies.

1) its uninflating air
2) true, BTC is backed by computer hashing power… something almost completely useless
3) no its pretty corporate
4) true but we're working on undermining this
5) true, BTC has gained value through an inelastic demand for being able to embezzle and launder money online
6) true
7) true
8) true, P2P air that produces nothing except the ability to move air
9) true, it is very cheap to move the intangible digits around the globe, WOW

Honestly I just think that there is way too many kids on this website posting garbage like this.

THere really should be a requirement to join or hold bitcoins because this is getting ridiculous.

I agree, this is becoming ridiculous...

I'm done trying to post useful information on this thread, it won't be useful at all. I'll just post away from what OP says, and discuss what logical people put forward, if any are still left posting on this other than a few...

Now, then again, requirements would be kind of hard to keep, as you can just share software, but requirements to join this forum sounds more like it. That would be a bit harder to by-pass, and would save us from some of this crud.

>claiming to be more logical than me

bro, do you even logic?

All I see is a troll, with people feeding it.

there are things you do not know.

Centralize the network!!

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Same goes for your comments and all statements referring to some fantasy knowledge.

"Centralise The Network'!

"Oh, hey!

Big Brother!

COME ON DOWN!"

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The chance of this happening is slim.

The banks and the money system are on the verge of collapsing. If they don't have a proverbial rabbit in their proverbial hat, they are going to crash... soon.

It's difficult to see what the effect will be on Bitcoin. Bitcoin might become the next REAL money. But if the crash is so bad that the Internet or the power grid go down, Bitcoin might flop right along with everything else.

:)

What is your major malfunction private?!

bitcoin will not become the next REAL money.  When everything crashes electronics, guns, and silver will be the money.  Bitcoin is a scam and so is mastercoin.  Look at the rampant corruption within the VC community and bitangels.  Look at how David Johnston forces centralized corruption on future implementations of the blockchain.  He conned maidsafe into accepting MSC which is total crap. 

All the signs are there for runaway corruption followed by a huge price collapse!!!

THE BITCOIN NETWORK IS NOT THE ANSWER TO OUR FAILING FINANCIAL SYSTEM!!

The Bitcoin Network has added extra strain to the failing financial system.  One reason the financial system is failing is due to inefficiency, often caused by corruption.  The Bitcoin Network increases the potential for this corruption and inefficiency, not the other way around.  


Bitcoiners are like… "oh this ponzi scheme is going to solve our economic problems!  Winklevoss told me so!"

Sorry, that's not the case.  


WORK TO CENTRALIZE THE NETWORK

Once again.. (clears throat) WE'RE ALREADY THERE !

WARNING ! 5-10% control 80-90% of the high level descision making, hashpower and coins ! :o

Why has this thread gotten to 9 pages??  ???

Are we in the troll feeding business now? Have we no better way to spend our time and energy than playing a ridiculous game rolled out by a troll who feeds on frustrating and confusing people? trols no importan

#mylastpostonthisthread

So much for being free from 3rd party intervention/ control. How many of you are renting/ cloud hashing from people such as these ?

http://hongwrong.com/hong-kong-bitcoin/

Now lets just sit back and watch while the whales do most, if not all, of the work for us. ;D

Btw, before ANY coin can claim to be decentralized it needs a decentralized internet and power grid to run on. ;)

Even though BTC just loweres transaction fees,
It's a quick and easy way to send money IMO.
Also paypal just takes away too much money from my services. :(

This is crazy. Why would you even post this here? No one is going to agree with you.

Why the fuck would you want to do this anyway?

I would think that for someone with that forum ranking would almost certainly not post something like this.

I would assume that the OPs account has been hacked/sold.

Firstly, your video says its private???
Secondly its already 85% centralised by the Farms.

Bitcoin blows bigtime all the same. Here's my story:

In the 7 months I was involved here at bitcointalk.org and with BTC.
Their were at least 4 payments from mining that were on the blockchain BUT NEVER reached my wallet.
That led me to asking questions on this forum, that NOBODY could answer. Instead I was called a TROLL and I was lying.
I did eventually get a friend to try and help, but they couldn't resolve why either.
I allowed them access through T.V. as proof the BTC never hit my wallet. I watched them the whole time and they NEVER dumped my private keys.
BUT that PM was unfortunately intercepted by a MOD. Because No-one else knew my pass.
That MOD was around at the time, replying to my posts for help when I was posting their was an issue. No-one else had the power to intercept that PM to my friend telling him I had PM'd him my login details.
After my friend tried to help and had logged out, about 3 hrs later while asleep, my Private keys were stolen and the Teamviewer log deleted. I didn't know they had been stolen as yet, but seen that Teamviewer had been contacted again by the logged out msg that appears when somebody terminates a hookup.
The robbery all happened on the fly when I was on again another day questioning for help about the missing payments. The Mod was also again their that day posting to myself.
I can't prove it was the MOD, but I just know it was. Incredibly I was made fun of by hereomembers after it all went down and how my BTC was stolen.

When I posted after the robbery what I believed had truly happened and how could hereomembers make fun of this. My posts were then deleted, then my account was also. (I have a copy of all this as proof it went down as I anticipated the deletions)
I then realised any credibility that bitcointalk.org MOD was not involved was gone.
I followed where the BTC went and it ended up in this account and  is 100% connected to Bitcointalk - https://blockchain.info/address/16R14EH4v8A9GPXkAAP8gcMFBA8oxA8nbY
It used to be in constant rotation with about another 10 wallets, but it seems they gave up on rotating it about 3 months ago.

On my next account, I mentioned on the BC forum that their "Wall St" investors coming on board was a scam. Again that account was deleted also.
I have never been abusive to warrant any account be deleted. Just hard facts that were washed away like my posts and accounts.
Here's Iconexpert from BC lying about that initial dump to investors and saying it was a glitch - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=469640.17480

I will never forget the day it all clicked and I realized that BTC had turned into nothing but a scam.
From its humble origins of everyone having access to mine as Satoshi had developed. To the mining equipment sellers ripping off buyers while they mined with their machines.
To the farms that have grown pushing difficulty so high its now worthless to mine and centralizing BTC. To the continued lies from equipment sellers with their B.S. of ASIC Scrypts of over 200 MHs.
I have called it a day! I still have BTC even though I am down 90% with all the pump and dumps and continued scams like Mintpals and other exchanges of buying before listing to the public.
The best thing I have ever done is given away all to do with BTC and have returned to a normal life much wiser from the truth.

I don't care if you delete this account, I don't care if you call me a liar or a troll, because I, like most out their believed in BTC.
The facts are is that nobody is buying BTC, as in USD for BTC, yes theirs trading but market gap continues to decline.
So these massive bag holders from all these scams, the farms, bitcointalk.org and the cheating exchanges cant ever cash out even if they tried.
It is only a matter of time before somebody grabs what buy orders their are left. 95% would be fake anyway!

Justice has come full circle and it is redemption to those that have lost.
I have learnt what looks good on paper defiantly doesn't mean anything in the real world, and BTC sadly developed into nothing but a giant scam.
Ironic isn't it?
Goodluck to those who don't know, and to you scammers your fucked! Those who do know are excited to know you can never cash out your hoards of monopoly money and BTC is in its final days of existence.


I will end saying with what I first said on my first ever post on a now deleted account.
GREED DESTROYS ALL WITH EVIL!

And FUCK YOU in advance to those who try to keep you believing in this worthless junk! Its all a Virtual price, their is no demand for BTC whatsoever let alone reasons of saving on TX costs.
I simply feel sorry for those blinded by lies and manipulation to what was once 5 years ago a decent venture into decentralization.

This thread was (should be) voted "topic most needing to die", so let's all just stop.  :)

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I'm an ass for telling the public the truth am I?
Thanks for the public confirm there Snr Member, on how BTC is a giant scam.

Virtual millionaires. Your soon to be virtual recluses.
You will return to back under that rock you crawled out from in about another month.

Why you want BC to die?
Also the youtube video you posted is private and I cannot watch it.
It is true that Bitcoin is used for funding not good things but also has many positive as the fiat money. It is the same! The world is not only flowers and butterflies
BR
Gondel

THIS

One of the absolute best things we all can do is, help crash Bitcoin. Why? The concept of Bitcoin encryption and usage involves some radical thinking and scripting technology. Has everyone thought of all the possibilities? Probably not. But if we all work hard at crashing Bitcoin, we will discover any potential flaws that it might have, and then we will know what has to be done to keep Bitcoin working effectively. So, let's keep on trying to crash Bitcoin as hard as we can. We will only improve it by doing so.

:)

I'm pretty sure that you aren't going to find a flaw anytime soon.
Have fun wasting your time hunting.

All I see is a fat troll ( OP ) mad because he didn't buy bitcoins when they were cheap, trying to lower the price by spreading false info.

Abandon thread, lel.

You are an unmitigated jackass.

YOUR DYING YOU FUCKING SCUMBAGS!

lol, what?