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With all the mystery around the disappearance of Flight MH370 and now less then 4 months later MH17 shot down, what are the odds? With both having many questions about the flight paths, you almost begin to think this is part of an Ian Fleming plot.  ???

Well, once again, Putin takes a fall. Now he is faced with either looking like someone who would allow his puppets, on the sly, to shoot down a plane, OR he looks like someone who can't control his puppets.

Malaysia Airlines has a timeline of blips and tragedies, as many airlines do in their history. The fact that MH17 was shot down is likely unrelated to the disappearance on MH370.

It's just the close occurrence of two (one 100% confirmed) tragedies. I'm sure that it has freaked a lot of people out.

Too bad year for Malaysian airlines!  :o
So who downed the plane? Nobody knows for sure... We'll see...

In case of MH370 disappearance, Malasyian Airlines showed great degree of incompetence. Now they let their MH17 to fly straight through this dangerous war zone where fighter jets and SAMs are active all over the place. Why? To save some fuel. How brilliant. So no, I wouldn't say its 'a coincidence, that company is horrible.

RT reports that flight MH17 was instructed by Kiev air traffic control to deviate and drop from 35k to 33k  

Donnie Darko

lol ,what Putin has to do with the disappearing of the first Malaysian plane?
I don\t know if is a coincidence between those 2 airplanes but one thing is for sure,i will never travel with Malaysian airplanes,i think this company is now the most unsecured airplane company in the world.

In my opinion, the MH370 disappearance was swiftly covered up by many governments. I find it impossible to believe that, with current technology, a plane carrying so many people can just disappear off the map. There's plenty of Satellites monitoring and filming the earth, something that big simply cannot "disappear".

By "once again", I don't necessarily think that umair127 was pointing the blame for MH370's disappearance on Putin, rather that once again Putin has got himself in another predicament, another negative story in the eyes of the world media.

Other controversies in the media involving VP include gay rights etc.

Is it just a coincidence Malaysia Flight MH370 disappearance now MH17 shot down?

Yes, I think so.
Is always fun to develop some kind of conspiracy theory but in this case I see just  coincidence and nothing else.
of course we can judge Malaysia air official why they didn't change the plane route but also other air companies used the same route previous days without any problem.
I guess really bad luck for this air company, 2 horrible accidents this year.

I think he will be ignoring the issue. It's not like it's Russia's problem. Let the US deal with it. If thing continue like they were doing, Russia will do, what it always did when faced with external threat: clamp up, and close in on itself. Isolate from the world.

We have not see Russia isolate from the world for more than one century...

Odd of one random tragic event is coincident, but two consecutive small chance random tragic event is probably not coincident.
 

Soviet Union post 1925 and until 1989 was a big chunk of isolation to miss...

soviet union tried to impose his fucking ideology everywhere in the world...  ::)

Yes, it literally is just a coincidence. What other relation could there possibly be, though this isn't going to stop conspiracy theorists going wild with their imaginations. I think the simple matter of a fact was that the plane was flying over a warzone and some idiots blew it out of the sky just because they could.

What is striking to me is there is a double coincidence at play here

1) Two aircraft disasters with the same airline
2) Both involve deviations from their regular flight plan

What are the odds of that ???

In the case of Flight MH370 nobody knows where it went

In the case of Flight MH17, granted its still early, but as far as I understand the plane deviated off course into the conflict zone and dropped from 35K to 33K ???

This coupled with the fact its the same airline makes the odds  about as close as me guessing satoshi's private keys ???  

No. It is a couple of tragedies brought on by human error. There is nothing out of the ordinary other than it happening to the same airline twice. Look ay American Air lines back in 2001. They lost more air craft and lives in a couple of months than MA has lost. Unlikely events happen all the time. 

It is a coincidence and nothing more. MH17 could have been easily avoided had the pilot not flown into a known combat zone. The aviation authority at MAS should have enforced a no-fly policy over that territory.

It's easy to say these things in hindsight, knowing the tragedy that unfolded. But just as there is huge blame and condemnation over the acts carried out by the perpetrators, there is also blame to be pointed at those within the airline for allowing their plane to fly over a dangerous zone.

How many commercial passenger planes cross that part before the crash happen? Is it the usual route for most planes or just Malaysian airplane cross that part.

I'm not sure how many passed over that region without problem during the conflict, but given that a lot of airline companies have now said that they are treating that area as a no-fly zone, as well as the Ukrainian powers stating that it is a no-fly zone then I imagine that there must have been some activity.

If the plane was not run by MAS then I'm sure that there would be a lot more people treating it exactly for what it is, and not for some conspiracy against MAS.

If that was an American plane, Obama would be declaring war by now.

It's interesting how the situation changes based on whose plane it was.

If the perpetrators genuinely knew that it was a commercial flight carrying innocent civilians then I don't believe that they would have shot it down. Unless of course they wanted to try and pin the blame on somebody else.

It's a truly awful incident. I can't imagine what it must be like for the locals who had to witness such a horrific scene. Something like a war zone that you might see in places like Gaza or Iraq etc. The thing that makes it creepier is that the media shows you the victims and their stories, which obviously they don't report on such things when innocent people die in war zones - but that's another discussion.

The locals who witnessed this ARE living in a war zone. Have been since May. The day of the disaster, over 20 civilians were killed by Ukrainian artillery in Lugansk, on that single day alone.

So, the "etc." in "Something like a war zone that you might see in places like Gaza or Iraq etc." shoudl have been "Something like a war zone that you might see in places like Gaza or Iraq of East-Ukraine, etc."

My apologies, I omitted that part of Ukraine from the war zone remark as I felt that it was implicit given that my previous post (not in your quote) referred to the conflict in that region.

You're right though, it is another horror within the lives of those living within an unstable region. I feel very fortunate to live in a country that is free from daily bombings and occupation.

You sound like a perfect customer for that bridge everyone's trying to sell.

Wake t.f. up.

Oh, do you have information to suggest otherwise? So you're telling me that the plane was destined to be shot down irrespective of its flight path, or are you suggesting something else altogether?

I would doubt this, Obama is not a good leader and does not how to handle foreign policy situations.

I think it was stupid on MH's part to have their plane flying over a war zone. I would say that it was a coincidence though.

Oh stop it. This is tragic enough without a whole new group of "troofers" slinging conspiracy theories.

The airline, or pilot, or an air traffic controller made an incredibly stupid and tragic decision. It happens.

Flight routes are checked many times before they are set, and definitely before the flight takes off. If there is a storm or something, changes are made between air traffic control (of various countries) and the pilot(s). So no, I don't believe that this was just an "accident".

If this can be verified, then there is something more to what's happened then what we being led to believe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXQ_8_KUT3w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXQ_8_KUT3w)

You wake t.f. up as well and start accepting that the world isn't shaped by random nutcases but by geopolitical powerblocks with agendas.

I'm not saying jump to any conclusions, just keep an open mind and look at the evidence, so far there is little to go on and yes this could all be a set of tragic of errors, but there are quiet likely some sinister forces at work, we have seen this before with the chemical attacks in Syria. I'm just very sceptical there is no such thing as a convenient truth, accepting that would be an insult to the dead.

The main problem of conspiracist is they assume that the government have an high rate of success when it try something...

When it comes to destructive agendas, military or financial - then yes.

They do have a pretty high rate of success actually.

Destroy something is really different than drive the thing as you want...

Yes , it's just a coincidence .

So you think the people that have control of the geopolitical agendas today have it by accident and not because they wanted it ?

What an idiotic proposal.

You think they don't know how to manipulate the media and the population ?

You think that so called "psy-ops" don't happen because secret services are run by clowns and not by people with a lifetime experience in doing just that ?

Sure - they f*ck up all the time - it's just that it doesn't matter because there's always a band of willing zombies ready to promote their agenda for then and convince everybody that things are "just a co-incidence, nothing to see here".

After the last MH "disappearance" there was a chorus of commentators expressing the view that this aircraft would turn up in a terrorist attack in a few months - not least this guy, the former political secretary to an ex Malaysian prime minister.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmpL2il3cdE

So here we are - a few months later and a Malaysian Airways 777 HAS indeed turned up in a terrorist attack. Who knows whether it's the same one or another one or whether there's a link or not, whether it was the *real* russian rebels or fake Ukranian-sponsored Russian rebels that shot it down or what the f*ck happened.

But given that the worlds airline fleet numbers about 20,000 planes and only 13 of them are Malaysian Airways 777's then that leaves a probability of about 1 in 1500 that the above mentioned "conspiracy theorists" would be right which means that statistically,

YES. THERE IS SOMETHING TO SEE HERE

And even if there isn't, it's about time some people started to wake up and smell the coffee that what they read in the news is the "for public consumption" version of things and to stop being so dismissive of suggestions that a more plausible one might exist.

Not that much different than US.

Take a world map and see the result of capitalism and the result of socialism. And what the fuck a no free marketer do in a bitcoin forum ? What the fucking hipster have find to socialist wash bitcoin ?

Three days have passed, and now Obama looks like he can't control his Ukranian puppets. And even can't keep his own word!

Wake the fuck up if you think US is running a capitalism system and have free market in the country. Do you even live in US?

Your post is perfect, as always. Thank you.



Is there any logic in such boasting? lol It is funny how some naive people still seem to ignore that the US government is not a model of perfect moral superiority. I am sorry to say that, but the Founding Fathers of the United States would be disappointed if they could come back to see what a monster has developed from all the corruption.

The American people do not deserve the shameful greed, terror and lies that we all have been witnessing from the politicians at that country.

Exactly what I am thinking. This company has deficit for years and they try their best to minimize the cost. Many decision are made without giving safety the first priority and that's why tragedies often take  place.