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Have a look at the sent feedback. As you can see, Vod is leaving a lot of feedback on suspected scammers BEFORE they scam.

The problem is that Vod has left so many people unsubstantiated negative feedback that his feedback isn't useful anymore. none of the feedback good or bad he has left are people who he has traded with in anyway. Anytime I see his feedback I have to ignore it and I know I'm not the only one who does that too.

He also never leaves negative trust to users who are trusted, even if they are confirmed to be scammers. For example, notice how Vod STILL has positive trust for TradeFortress. You might remember TF was also in the trustlist which is probably why Vod didn't tag him, because TF could have retaliated and ruined his feedback.

How do you guys feel about this practice? I think that trust feedback should be "mostly" reserved for reporting people who have actually scammed, not accusing unconfirmed ones. Perhaps a scam accusation thread is more suitable for that so that the accused has the ability to challenge the accusation.

I notice Vod is on the trustlist of BadBear and Tomatocage, I hope you guys reconsider and remove him. His feedback will still show up but it won't be "Trusted", I don't think you can call unsubstantiated accusations "Trusted Feedback" .

As I can see from the page, Vod gave negative trust to new accounts asking for loans without collateral.

IMHO, this kind of warnings is very helpful to newbies to stay away from potential scams, and I think Vod has been doing a pretty good job. :)

Lately, I can see, there are lots of allegations coming about Vod's feedback. There is also a doxing thread on Vod from a disgruntled user. I just wonder, can there be a clear declaration on this section saying "Newbies asking for loan without collateral will be left with -ve feedback without any second chance" ? Then it would probably be easier to defend Vod from a more logical angle.

This request coming from someone with a scammer tag.

Vod mainly patrols the lending board and prevents loans being given out without collateral. On a board prevalent with scammers you aren't going to garner sympathy from the community about the negative trust he leaves. It's most likely deserved.

The OP is a Newbie, no wonder he's complaining.
OP stop trying to pull a scam.

I strongly agree that no loans should be given out to newbies without collateral, but I do not think they deserve negative trust. I think a big red scammer warning inside the thread will do nicely. "Destroying" their accounts is a bit over the top.

Anyhow, he should remain on the default trust list.

Whats about to just look the lending section to newbies ?!

Whoops - wasn't aware of that.  That scammer has been removed.

I agree that if a user is intending to scam or looks like he could scam because he is not providing collateral it should deserve negative trust I have no problem with what vod is doing.

I would say that VOD stops the scams from happening before they happen. This prevents bitcoin from getting a bad name and being associated with even more scams then it already is.

I think that he should remain on the default list. He's doing God's work by hunting down scammers. If anything, we need to add more people to the default list.

Vod, thanks.  So glad you got rid of that TF rating as clearly there were a lot of unresolved issues with what went down with some of his activities.  Not saying he was a scammer, but clearly wasn't a good custodian of coins given the inputs.io "hack".

On to OP, you can always just take the default trust out of your trust network.  I've done that and find life is much better, of course, I don't do a lot of marketplace transactions.

Either way the TF has over 400 negative trust and it should be obvious that he is not trustworthy.

+1.  If you make a deal with someone with that trust, no matter what they post, you deserve to lose your money.

If you use escrow and it would not be possible for the TF account to scam the escrow then it should be safe.

Vod does NOT just give new members negative feedback that haven't scammed anyone, he did this to me too. I am a full member and been around for a while. He gave me feedback completely out of anger / dislike of something I had to say that was of a personal nature. His basis for the negative feedback was that I was removing questions / not answering questions in a moderated thread I had, which is simply NOT true at all. I had never removed any questions or avoided answering any. So, he lied and when he was questioned about it, it further infuriated him and he has since made the feedback sound worse and worse, trying to ensure that no one will do business with me or deal with me.

This is one hot head with a short fuze and a massive ego that has ZERO respect for the trust system or other full members of this site. If you fart in the guys direction he's going to leave you a negative saying you tried scamming someone. To this day he's never said what I removed or what question I've never answered

Please see my thread about him here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=704289.msg7971391#msg7971391 and here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=702774.40

And I found Vod's response in one of the your linked threads:



It seems there is no way to prove either side's claim, unless theymos spend some time to check the deleted posts in that thread...

I deleted a thread that was not moderated to move to one that was. I reposted the questions in the new thread (including Vod's) pertaining to business and not the troll posts that had nothing to do with it. People making one word posts like "+" or coming in just saying "SCAMMER" or some stupid BS like that. Anyone that posted a legitimate question I was happy to answer and respond to, just didn't want my topic getting derailed by trolls (i'm sure anyone that's posting something serious can sympathize because there's a ton of trolls on the forum).

If he claims I deleted a real question and not just troll posts, he should be able to easily just say what question that was. In the original thread, I was unable to delete anything other than my own posts, so obviously that did not take place there. In the second moderated version, it got derailed so quickly by Vod's negative rating (within a few minutes of creating it), there was not even a chance for that to get off the ground, so I wasn't on any deleting spree there either. I in fact did not even delete the battle back and forth between Vod and I about it (which should be deleted from it).

It's very simple really, all he has to do is say what question I'm allegedly avoiding because I have NOTHING to hide and I'm not avoiding anything other than trolls trying to derail my topic. If he's willing to leave me a negative stating I was trying to scam by deleting important questions, just simply restate the important questions... anywhere... in any unmoderated thread that I cannot delete... why won't he do that, it's not hard..?

Is that why you deleted your name and website from your profile?  Because you have nothing to hide?   

I don't remember what questions you deleted.  Why don't you post the questions you deleted and the reasons you deleted them?

I just did say what I deleted in the above post, that's the only thing that took place. I wasn't hiding anything.

As for why I deleted my website from my sig, I already stated that too, it was a dead site that I made a while back that no longer exists. It was just a vbulletin forum, go look it up on archive.org - ccxe.org is the domain. Nothing shady there.

I deleted personal information from my profile at the same time I did that, I didn't realize it was public and I don't want it to be (like my personal skype, ect), especially while I have a public battle going on with you. What's that got to do with it? You're really getting off topic and now ridiculing me for what information I keep on my profile in the forum? Not even false information, just not displaying it. Sounds like you're getting desperate now for something to use against me.

 I've told people who I am in great detail "trustworthy people that I don't mind having it". Why don't you ask Tomatocage? Just because I don't want every single troll on the planet to have my personal contact information doesn't make me a scammer.

Do you give out all of your personal information in your profile? No, you don't. Please stop with your hypocritical nonsense. You even changed your user name 'mlawrence', to try to hide your identity when you started harassing people.

Bottom line is this:


Ok, then please remove your negative feedback until you remember something that actually took place.

Ah, so you do have something to hide.  Stop lying and saying you don't.

It's very easy to scam when you are anonymous.

In my thread I specifically said I would hold meetings with potential investors, tell them about myself and my history and what I bring to the table as well as the concept I'm proposing. I offered to even hold these meetings in person, go read my post. Are you claiming that I was asking people to blindly send me bitcoin investment because that's the only way what you're saying would be relevant. Are you really going to change your whole basis for the distrust to that now? That would mark what, the 4th or 5th time now you've changed it?

First time: Moved to moderated topic, could be a scam

Second time: I was going to remove it but since you left me a negative too, now I'm not.

Third time: Trying to get investor money to pay himself a big salary and steal it (oh wait, that was an assumption you made so you deleted that)

Forth time: Back to saying I am deleting difficult to answer questions in a moderated topic

Fifth time: Saying I'm deleting questions, have multiple accounts, spam the forums, telling lies about people (all untrue with no proof or even references)

Now it's that I am hiding my personal skype contact and former website project on my profile, so I must be running a scam based on that.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound here? How many times you've changed up your story and reasoning for what you're doing?

Just stop already... I'm no scammer and the reason I'm exposing what you've done so vigilantly is because I'm very insulted and offended that you would do this to me. I to fight scammers and expose people. You looked me up on Google didn't you, can you probably easily see I have a long history (many years) of doing it under the same user name on other forums. The difference between you and I is that I don't jump the gun, I do it responsibly and with undeniable evidence against the accused. I'm well respected for that at the places I frequent.

At this point I think you're just too proud to admit that you've mislabeled me and jumped to a conclusion about who I am which is not correct.

Just remove your negative rating and I'll remove mine and do my best to delete everything I've said in protest to what you've done to me.

I never set out to ruin you but you've got to admit when you're wrong and in this case, you are. I'll happily retract what I can if you do the right thing here.

Nice lie, but viewing your negative feedback will show it is unchanged since 7/21 - and you continue to post lies.  Sorry scammer.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=112569

Wow, are you for real buddy? I'm staring to be convinced that you're simply just a malicious lair. Just because the 21st was the last time you changed it doesn't mean you haven't changed it. Let's go take a look at some solid proof here that you've been changing your story, shall we? We can reference here for some direct evidence. I'll pull the quotes and screenshot it now just in case you go try to go delete this stuff after you see it and hide it, because now you're going to look pretty bad. Seems like at this point you're perfectly willing to play dirty since you're now blatantly lying about stuff: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=702233.msg7937222#msg7937222

I've seen the trust message changed multiple times.

Your first reasoning, here's your exact quote which is still live in the original thread (and never got deleted btw)


Your feedback stated this crap about a salary and there was never even any talk about it at all. Just you being a baboon with your assumptions. It's quite clear I'm not lying, look at your post there. (you've just been caught in one lie now)


There again, you and your smug attitude, saying you were going to remove it but since I gave you a rating back... you're not. Yes, clearly you believe I'm this hardcore scammer and yet were going to 'remove' it but since I naturally posted feedback in response to yours, you were not. Basically this alone blows up your entire fucking story about how I'm a lying scammer. It shows that what you're doing is simply out of anger, nothing else. You state here you were going to remove it if I didn't delete the post, which I never did. Ya, you really believed I was a scammer, didn't you. This really proves that you've only done this because I fought back (Liar, again)


Wow, that statement alone contradicts your whole argument, doesn't it? Your basis then was that I 'WOULD' delete your words. Still, to this very moment, I have not. Even the stuff that's irrelevant and has nothing to do with the topic itself. I'm glad I didn't, it shows what a liar and a creep you really are. I never deleted any questions, I never avoided answering anything.

I encourage you all to go read that thread and then come back and read what Vod has said here. Tell me who the liar is.

Original feedback left on July 20th, last feedback on July 21st. Ya, he didn't change it yet ANOTHER time today (at least so far) but you CAN clearly see that he has been. You can also clearly see his reasoning / story is changing a lot and has been changing because his old one is falling apart badly. Vod, I've just proven to everyone you're a liar with direct evidence based on what you said there, what you've been doing and what you've just stated in this thread here. Are you sure you want to continue this charade?

I'm going to go get some shut eye now. I'll let you cook that one over Vod. I can't wait to see what your response is going to be now.

Looks to me you just got caught red handed and careless trying to lie to the community.

Seems like it's time to call on these people to do what Vod himself said is the right thing for them to do:

Found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=post;topic=704391.20;num_replies=24


Well people, by Vod's own words, are you going to 'self correct' Vod's improperly given Green Trust by removing it??

Quite the imagination you have.  I changed it one time, several days ago, to more accurately indicate how dishonest you are.

You're nothing but a pathological liar.  The only person that has deleted things is you.  The feedback will remain.

Have a better day.

I have proven you are a liar. You just call me one with no proof and sad attempts to find stuff to accuse me of.  Just previous to this you called me a liar saying you had not changed anything. I prove that you did, beyond any doubt and you admit to lying about it. You sir are a liar and a coward. Proven.

Good luck getting anyone to respect or trust you on this forum now. I'll also be following you around reminding everyone what a douche you are since you don't want to do the right thing.

Have a great day, liar ;)

PS.. Several days have not even passed. Guess you just can't help yourself with the lies. Sounds like you seriously need meds or something.

I'm not a liar, and I doubt anybody believes your words.

On the other hand, it's easy to prove you're a liar... did you really risk 1,000 btc in your dealings with miter_myles?  The feedback you left him says you did.   ::)

I will have an awesome day - I always do!

Haha. Your desperation is so obvious now. Just reaching for anything you can to try to make me seem as bad or worse than you.

No matter what you say now you have been caught red handed in several lies. There's nothing you can say or do at this point to fix that.

You did this to yourself. The more you keep trying to lie and change the subject from the lies you were caught in the worse you are going to look to everyone. So please keep it up.

;)

Nice imagination.  I've never lied.  I've proven you have. 

 ;)

Wow, are you really that childish. Going to pretend that this page didn't happen and I haven't just pointed out with proof that you have been lying?

Oh well, guess it's useless to argue with if you you're going to move to 4th grade level antics.

I'll just direct everyone over here so they can see for themselves what a child and a douche bag you truly are.

lol.  You haven't pointed out anywhere that I've ever lied (I haven't).  I, however, pointed out with proof that you lied.

Send the masses here!  I welcome it.   :)

Scroll up. I made a massive post showing multiple lies you have told in this thread alone along with quotes and links. What have you shown other than I have removed my Skype contact from my profile? Nothing...

I'm sure you know that which is why now all you do is continue to make 'I know you are but what am I' responses like a child.

Your massive post doesn't prove I lied about anything.  Can you summarize for everyone where I lied even once?

You, on the other hand, delete questions about your scam, delete personal info while saying you have nothing to hide, and lied about risking 1,000 btc in a trade gone bad,

In short, you are a liar, I am not.  That may sound childish to you, but it's the truth.   :)

I'm sure everyone realizes that everything you complain about now is none of the original stuff you were complaining about and you try to keep those lies out of the discussion now.

Here's one lie you just told, You say I lied about 1k btc in a trade gone bad, what did I try to trade exactly? What did I lie about in that trade exactly,  elaborate on how that went down since you know all about it, please.

I deleted my personal skype contact info from my profile, so what, I didn't lie about doing that. I did remove it, and I said I did. You're lying saying I was hiding it somehow. Lie 2

Lie 3, here's you trying to say you never changed the feedback you left for me:


Here's me proving you did:


You lied again.

Your basis for the negative trust: Deleting questions from my thread...


Because you're a liar.

There's another dozen or so things I cannot prove as easily.

All you've got is that I deleted my Skype from public view (big fucking deal) and I left some piece of shit troll bad feedback ages ago (yet another, big fucking deal)

You've completely gotten off the topic of trying to say I was deceiving anyone in my original thread (what happened  there Vod, why aren't you trying to say stuff about that any more?)

What lies am I telling about you Vod? Can you show some of them along with the same type of proof I've provided for your lies?

Please Vod, show us something other than just you saying so.... I know you're blind with rage right now, but try to take a pill and focus for a second, ok? Provide some evidence that I have lied about either my business proposal or about my statements about your abuse.

This is why this type of trust system isn't very good. Most people don't even know you can make custom trust list..

Read the bold part.  See the error in your accusation?  I posted the feedback has been unchanged since 7/21 - which it has been.  I did not post I "never changed the feedback".  Are you that dense Shawn?

At this point you are just trolling.  I've never lied about anything.   ::)

If you didn't do a 1,000 btc transaction, why did you post feedback that you risked 1,000 btc?   Because you are a liar.

You are just feeding the troll. There is no reason to keep this conversation going

You're an idiot. When I posted that back then I had no understanding for how the trust system worked and I thought the effect of the trust was based on what was put in that field. Because the guy was nearly as big of a douche bag as you, I put an amount in there. So ?? It clearly says in the comment what I marked him negative for, stop trying to make that in to something else when you know exactly what it is. It only makes you look dishonest and obvious.

The best part of your obviousness is that you KEEP trying to change the subject to stuff that's irrelevant to what we're discussing here. We're discussing your original accusations. You know, those one's you keep avoiding providing any explanation for?

I'm calling you out.... instead of trying to dig up other things so desperately, please touch a little on your original accusations that you made.

-There was the salary I supposedly was planning to pay myself (please elaborate on that imaginary conversation that never took place) AKA Lie 1

-There were those posts I supposedly deleted, what were those posts about again? Oh ya, you forgot a day later right? Do you have Alzheimer's disease? AKA Lie 2

-There where those lies I was spreading about users? AKA Lie 3

-There was that spamming I was doing? AKA Lie 4

But we already know that you're going to avoid responding to any of this since that's all you've been doing. Instead you don't respond to your previous accusations and you look for new things to say, like if my skype contact is public in my forum profile.... lol.... Do you think people are stupid? Do you think that people don't realize you're dodging these questions and accusations you made?

Have fun coming up with some lies for that Mr. Lawrence. I'm putting you on the spot now, answer your original accusations properly and stop avoiding them.

Date Registered:    July 21, 2014, 05:41:38 AM

With dank MIA, this has been an entertaining conversation for the other forum users - so I let it go on for a while.  But you like to twist words and your reality seems a bit skewed.

Never argue with an idiot - people reading may not be able to tell the difference!   :-\

Called it! Yet another avoid / attempted subject change!

Answer the questions Vod.... What are you waiting for?

Why are you avoiding these questions exactly? They seem legit and it's what your negative trust rating states against Evershawn.

Like usual, when it comes to this point, he's got nothing to say.

I'm answering questions, providing proof of any accusation I made and responding to stuff he's saying (even the silly shit about my skype on my profile, some negative I left some troll ages ago and petty tactics he's using just so he has SOMETHING to try to use). Even though he strays way off of what this arguement is about, I still respond to it for him

When I ask him to just lay down some examples for the stuff he's saying in his negative on me, he's got ZERO. He can't even provide any example of the basics he's calling me out on.

Case in point - Guy has anger issues / mental issues. His claims are false, he's simply manipulating people to 'get at me' and try to bully me for personal reasons. If he wasn't, he would have answered these simple, basic questions this time, or the past dozen times he's been asked to.

he isnt going to be removed.
go through the default trust list and is filled with scammers. they have not been removed.
so what makes you think the admin will remove him

"Trustfeed back" should at least only be limited to two people doing transactions and the escrow.

anyone out of the picture shouldn't have the permission do give trustfeedback.  so before giving feedback, they'll be redirected to the thread they did transaction.

a good php programmer can do this as far as i know.

That's a good idea - you should mention it for the new forum.

Vod, I want my negative trust removed..
I am a girl!

You think proving you're a female negates the fact that your profile fits that of a scammer?

Good call, Vod.

No shit I'm a poor University student, got a problem with that?
Yes I do have a bit of money(I've been working all summer).
I do wish I had more money and I do wish I had more bitcoins.

Get a life Lucky Cris and leave me alone.

I'm a university student too btw ;) so of course I can relate
But I'm also a professional who works everyday
Don't we all?

I have a life & done; I've said what I had to say. You're actions will determine your fate here, not my assessment.

As you can see, when it comes down to Vod being asked to pony up some facts in my case, he doesn't reply. All I have ever asked for is proof of his claims, (which I know are 100% false). He knows he has nothing to produce so he just does not reply to it.

Even if you're blindly one of his fanboys because he's busted some scammers in the past, how do you explain this?

Can you really sit there saying these are the actions of an honest person? I think not....

Vod does this community a favor with calling out scams... although I don't always agree with his justification. He's called out a few that I know of that weren't warranted, but without knowing the full background here, I won't put myself out there. But I will say this:

Vod - the man has a point. That point being he's asked some specifics that it seems you're dancing around. You're the topic of this thread here... can you please entertain us by entertaining the questions to you?