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the Palestinians can not beat Israel militarily, there is no point in continuing to fight a war they can not win.
they must realize their land has been taken by an enemy much stronger than them, cut their loses, and negotiate an unconditional surrender.

every day this war goes on more Palestinians are dying for nothing.

Don't the Palestinians have the support of the Arab countries though?

(I admit I don't know much about this situation.)

What Happens When A Palestinian Doesn’t Hate Israel Enough?

http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/01/what-happens-when-a-palestinian-doesnt-hate-israel-enough/

Look what happen during Vietnam war, US is winning on all fronts and it even killed more than 1 million Vietcong soldiers, but US still loses and Vietnam wins the war.   

yes, both sides have foreign support, for a long time. No matter how small a country is, there always seems to be foreign involvement, I mean even in korea.

the US didn't really lose, it just decided the war is pointless and went home.
more than 1 million Vietcong soldiers dead, i know on which side i'd rather be on.

there is no need for 1 million Palestinians to die as well, surrendering and disarming is a far better option.

Both sides wants to stop the war, but both sides also want to gain leverage in the negotiation.

Vietnam did not win the war. The USSR did win the political war. It was a proxy war. The population lost 2 millions souls under Pol Pot's genocide, after the departure of the USA. Easy to double check.

Anti-Zionism is not about people but about land, they would prefer a radioactive no man's land rather than Israel.

If I got my facts straight, I think the Israelis are scoping out the underground tunnel cities under Gaza and looking for a way to flush the bad dudes out. Gassing wouldn't be allowed and bombing everything seems out of the question. I've heard someone say that they could pipeline in water from the Mediterranean and soak em out. :-\

I'm sure that by a pure coincidence there will be a lot of children in the tunnel at this moment...

They have a "fight until death" culture and religion. which means they'd rather die than surrender

When 3 Israeli go missing it gives the justification to slaughter over 800 Palestinians  ???
When your family is indiscriminately blown to smitheries you must not attempt to defend those that survive because it makes you a terrorist ???
When over 5 million Palestinians live in exile those that remain must not resist the illegal occupation of their land because it makes them terrorists  ???
When your people are driven into ghettos and the boarders are closed you may not resist the oppression or you are terrorists  ???
If you dig tunnels to escape or smuggle in fuel and supplies you are terrorists  ???


I beg to differ, resisting the Nazi Occupation by the terrorist sate of Israel does not make the oppressed terrorists

Tunnel are used to do terrorist attack in Israel...

Israel is the Nazi terrorist state

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etXAm-OylQQ&feature=youtu.be

I dont know what is the logic behind your comment because it's doesn't make sense at all, is that some sort of a joke? or satire/sarcasm <.<
what war are you talking about? a war is between two armies, and here it is NOT the case, it's a massacre. What do you expect the palestinians to do? leave their land and everything they have so Israel is happy ? maybe you should start by imagining your self in their place before spouting such non sense, this is not a game where you give your land and you can start right over in somewhere else or maybe you have the political power and willing to give them part of your country so they can live there as any human being deserve to

Actually,it is a response for the constant rocket fire and terror attacks on Israel

Which was the legitimate retaliation to the Nazi occupation by the terrorist state Israel of Palestinian land   

I assume you are an radical Islamic...

I personally agree with you, but this is not the mindset of Hammas.

Hammas are encouraging the people of Palestine to act as human shields so most of the dead would be palistine civilians killed by Hammas (by luring them to places they know Israel will target/bomb)

Lol. killing Israeli civilians is a legitimate response for the "Nazi" occupation? that makes you no better than those who kill Palestinian children.
BTW,look how much death and destruction this "legitimate retaliation" has brought on the Palestinians.

Haha that's the how shallow Zionists Nazi mentality is, if you call them out and hold a mirror of truth to their deeds you must be a radical Islamic, anti Semitic or support terrorism. I'm sorry to to disappoint you, I am none of the above. I am just fed up with the hypocrisy being used to defend genocide.

Genocide ? Palestinian population growth for decades...

You know that Arabs NEVER won against Israel before? In the past they tried many times to invade the Jews. With army much more potent than this in Palestine now. Israel prowess in combat is astonishing. It is no wonder when they are surrounded by hostile nations. Plus Israel has nukes.

i expect the Palestinians to realistically look at the situation they are in and save themselves and their children by laying their weapons down and surrendering.
luckily for them Israel isn't as brutal as most other military forces in the middle east (Syria, ISIS) and will let them live if they accept an unconditional surrender.

if i were in their place i sure as hell would not fight a suicide war against an army 100 times stronger than me, you only live once, it is not worth dying for a lost cause.

I'm afraid you may be right, it saddens me that many people will die just because their leaders don't know when the war is lost.
then again even the Japanese with their death before dishonor mentality managed to find the wisdom to surrender in ww2 before more lives were lost on a war they could not win.
so there may still be hope after all.

it doesn't make them terrorists, it makes them stupid.
what you call resisting is actually committing suicide, you don't resist an army that has jet fighters with ak47's.

What about when America flys in to the rescue, with their insane fire power and jets.  They are going to free the shit out of palestine

If Might is Right, you are condoning what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazi extermination camps ??? Are you really that retarded  ???

Free them from islamist ? So Israel don't fire then ?

For those in Gaza a ceasefire is their goal
For the ones fighting its freedom from the economic shutdown in their country and a slow death and getting some breathing room
For Israel its keeping the status quo for a few years.

I'm not condoning anything, I'm saying that fighting a war you have no chance of winning is stupid, no matter who you are.

And in WW2 resistant targeted soldiers not civilian...

Your argument implies, the Jews that were exterminated in WW2 by the Nazi were not civilians, they must have been terrorists .

Do you see how insane all this is, you can call it by any name you like what Israel is doing in Palestine is the same thing its genocide

Again, a genocide would first mean Israel want to kill all Arab or all Muslim, it's not the case. Second the Palestinian population growth for decade...

Are you fuckin stupid on purpose to just born that way?
His argument implies that whoever resisted the nazi targeted military personal and facilities, not civilians.

And you are shooting yourself in the leg with this whole genocide bullshit, it's not happening, and you spamming that crap all over the place doesn't make it any more real.

Standing up to tyranny despite how grim the prospect, is a noble virtue, To defend your property is justifiable.  

lol...
Israel is a tyranny, Syria and Iran are the democracies that are here to free the people.

Let me get my tinfoil hat.

O and all the Jews, women and children were justifiable Nazi military targets ???

there is nothing noble in committing suicide by engaging an impossible enemy.
finding a way to keep yourself family and friends alive, that's true nobility.

Hamas and North Korea in secret arms deal
Exclusive: Hamas has paid North Korea for missiles and communications equipment in arms deal worth hundreds of thousands of dollars

More...http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10992921/Hamas-and-North-Korea-in-secret-arms-deal.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10992921/Hamas-and-North-Korea-in-secret-arms-deal.html)

Oh wow, you can't even read, that explains a lot.

Forget it hologram, he can't even comprehend a simple English sentence.

It's like arguing with a potato.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10992921/Hamas-and-North-Korea-in-secret-arms-deal.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10992921/Hamas-and-North-Korea-in-secret-arms-deal.html)

WTF ?

@starscream

Maybe he have a problem with history.

When did I defend Syria or Iran ??? Please do not try associate my opinion of Israel as support for other dictatorships. I happen to despise them equally. You should include Saudi Arabia on that list.

I don't understand how either NK got the weapons out of their country, nor how Hammas got the weapons into Palestine. Both countries have blockaids against them.

Don't know about that
Seems much more likely that Israel will win virtually every battle but lose the war

Perhaps a change of culture and mentality is required
That said the burning tension between these two groups pretty much narrows the field of negotiation but through blood and arms one way or another some sort of solution may be found.
Pretty much when one or both sides have had enough of these wars and do something else an absolute to solve it once and for all.

We can look at the Philippines and the Muslims there for example as one possible solution with the Moro insurgency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_insurgency_in_the_Philippines

On January 24, 2014, Philippine government chief negotiator Miriam Coronel Ferer and MILF chief negotiator Mohagher Iqbal signed a peace agreement in Kuala Lumpur. The agreement would pave the way for the creation of the new Muslim autonomous entity called "Bangsamoro" under a law to be approved by the Philippine Congress. The government aims to set up the region by 2016. The agreement calls for Muslim self-rule in parts of the southern Philippines in exchange for a deactivation of rebel forces by the MILF. MILF forces would turn over their firearms to a third party to be selected by the MILF and the Philippine government. A regional police force would be established, and the Philippine military would reduce the presence of troops and help disband private armies in the area.

That was 45 years in the making.
(And yes in before the MILF references to something else MoFo's  ;))

Palestinian can accept a fair two state solution, but people like you prefer dead Palestinian...

Yes. They should make rational choice and surrender.

Problem is, the conflict is being financed and supported by neighbor countries. And they don't really care if Palestinians suffer.

Arab league is the problem...

Why would they lose the war? They have a very advanced military, much of the western world is behind them. Haamas does not have any of this and generally are regarded as terrorists, their only ally is North Korea.

LMAO the fucktard nazi boy created a whole thread about his inhuman conception of peace and human rights. But he changed his wording to hide his truly disgusting nature..


like a said, GFY you brainwashed idiot.
this is a bitcoin forum not some isreali propaganda blog.

french resistants, during the nazi occupation, were referred as terrorists too... did they stop fighting? me no think so.
fuckin semantics, that israeli propaganda justified a 60 years butchery and invasion with only 2 words: terrorist & antisemite.

what do you want from me, im simply stating facts. there is a possibility that if the palestinians dont surrender israel will end up killing everyone of them.

continuing to fight a suicide war is not rational, they must put their pride aside and surrender to save themself.

Are you being serious ? at least be partial before making judgment and check the chronology of events, Israel attacked 2-3 Gaza, breaking prisoner exchange deal with Hamas, killed Hamas members and bombing Gaza before the rocket started firing, and all this happened between the 12 and 19 of June.

Also the death numbers are reaching 1200 and more to come, but yes one side can do whatever they want as they are protected and no one dare to take real measures against them.

Israel is protected politically by the United States, which is exactly why the Palestinians need to put their freaking pride aside and surrender.
the Israeli's are too strong both militarily and politically, there is no scenario where this ends well for the Palestinians.

And soon by China. China is smart and bet on the good horse.

So they should surrender and do what? die? I don't understand why people can trow words like surrender on other people, no they have one choice it is resistance, for now the majority of palestinian people are going with peaceful resistance, with some groups fighting but if Israel keeps killing civilians as they do things might change and more palestinians will take arms, and I hope that would never happens.
Resistance is a fundamental right, and there is no other choice for Palestinians, unless you are willing and you have the political power to split your own country with the Palestinians, so Israel can has all the land, and the Palestinians has a place where to live, but I doubt you'll anybody has an inch of your country

Palestinians are willing to accept a two state solution, it's Israel that undermine any peace solution and refuses to accept UN resolutions and La Haye supreme court orders and keeps doing illegal activities, from building illegal settelement and kicking out people out of their land, to killing civilians and imprisoning people without trial.....ect

You cant be serious, the notion that Israel has already won, the Palestinians must surrender to avert a disaster is so flawed. The Jews go around the world telling everyone we must not forget the holocaust and then we supposed to buy into this crap that might is right ??? you cant have it both ways ::)

Hammas is not a rational fighter. They want to fight to the death and inflict the max damage onto Israel.

man, this whole israel-palestine conflict just incites more divisiveness.. it's such a clusterfuck of information, and there are good points from both sides, so people outside of that region are bound to bicker and fight.

might is not right.
staying alive is right.

if they surrender unconditionally and disarm completely Israel will stop killing them, or at least will stop mass killing them.

the smartest thing they could do is leave the middle east altogether and move to Europe just like the Jews did 2000 years ago when the Romans kicked them out.
then they could learn how to build a modern army and maybe one day come back and win the land back.

as it stands they pose no match for the Israeli's and are simply sheeple in a shooting range.

Your appeal that the Palestinians should capitulate to the Nazi, Apartheid Zionist State of Israel because they are more powerful has no moral backing. As you correctly point out “Israel will stop killing them, or at least will stop mass killing them” so what then?  More occupation more illegal settlements until “God” forbid some Palestinian snaps and justifiably retaliates and another excuse for the Nazi state to commit further genocide.

This has reached such absurdity; the holocaust was the pretext for the establishment of the state of Israel. Now they are committing genocide. Your argument that might is right makes a complete farce of the Jewish holocaust narrative and the justification for imposing the state of Israel on the Palestinian people. The illegal settlers instead of desecrating Palestinian land should take their bulldozers and build their settlements on Treblinka or Auschwitz-Birkenau because Might is Right!

might is not right, but he who is mighty makes the rules, like it or not.
what good is it for the Palestinians to be morally right if they are all dead?
that's why I'm saying that for the pure sake of surviving they are better off surrendering.

If they surrender what then? An excuse for Israel to claim they were victorious and thereby claim justification for the immoral actions, rubbing salt into the wounds of the survivors. Israel will use this as vindication to step up restrictions on the Palestinians and further pretext for Illegal occupation and expanded settlements. This has been Israel's agenda from its inception what will change? This is what the Palestinians are now saying what is peace if its just more of the same? Its an excuse for Israel to keep doing the same, incremental genocide           

Again, your are repeating yourself, so they surrender and leave? where to? Europe? no one wants millions of refugees and doesn't have the means to deal with them, and why should they give up their lands and country, and why are you standing for an unjust cause? why not help by demonstrating peacefully, and putting pressure on your government to react on the matter, why not push for the application of the international law? so we can get the two state solutions that many UN resolutions been made for, if Israel could do that and go away with it, what would stop other countries for doing the same? how about your country being invaded next and you being kicked out after seeing your familly members and friends getting killed and or disabled?

you are right in the sense that there is no happy ending for the Palestinians no matter what.
at this point its only a matter of making the choice with least bad outcome.
surrendering and taking potentially 2-3 casualties per month is better than the current 600 every 10 days.

they will have to enter Europe illegally, sure is better than being mowed down by an Israeli tank.

they should give up their lands because there is no practical way for them to get them back and if they stay they are as good as dead.

I'm not standing for any cause, i simply think what the Palestinians are currently doing doesn't make sense (assuming they want to live).

no one gives a damn about any peaceful demonstrations, I'm a nobody and have zero power to push on any government to do anything.

nothing stops any country from doing the same, countries have been doing this ever since countries exist.
my country is well protected making it not worth it for anyone to invade.

In my country Apartheid has already been defeated

I think Israel won because International community allowed this by not stopping their brutal attacks and bombing every day.
In world politics is always like this, stronger countries defeat weaker and don't mind much about peace talk (in the case they are confident they can get more by force).

They will not be allowed, you know during the Libya war when thousands (and just a couple of thousands) of refugees we reaching Europe, through Italy mainly illegaly, a whole drama started about closing boarder, and putting boarder guards withing Schengen space, just so said countries could protect them selfs from such migrations, you think that millions of refugees would be allowed? no they will not, and the boarders will closed, as they are with Egypt right now for example .

Your response is exactly what's Israel wants, keep terrorizing them by all means, till they give up and leave, but sadly that's not how it works, it's not like they can just pack and leave to somewhere else, they have no where to go, and they are on their right to stay

As for Palestinian, they want to live, and what you are talking about is not an option they can't leave they have no where to leave to and they are in their right

You might be a nobody on your own, but many nobodies , have the ability to push for drastic changes.

Your country might be protected, but obviously it's not safe, especially if anything is allowed as Israel seems to be enjoying such freedom

being in a European jail is better than being gunned down by a tank.

unfortunately there aren't many nobodies, 99% of people don't care, sure as hell don't care enough to go protest.

my country is safe because invading it costs more than the gain from the invasion.
if the Palestinians weren't so weak and could hurt Israel Gaza wouldn't be invaded either.
and anyway no one needs Israel for an example of an invasion, countries have been doing it long before Israel existed.

It's not being in jail, they will not and cannot pass the border all together.
They are weak because they are not allowed to anything, while the other side is getting unconditional support from worlds power.
And that's why after WW2, UN and it's security council, International supreme court.... were created to handle this kind of issues among others and to avoid atrocities of war, but the way they were built on is flawed from the beginning, as just a few countries reign on such organisation, hence Israel is going away with it, and that why people should pressure their government to push resolutions and sanctions so we can have a peaceful solution and so that the massacre stops

but they won't, no one cares.

they do care especially when voting periods gets close at least in democracies, the wouldn't care about the voice of one person, but when it is hundred of thousands voicing their anger on the situation things are different

Being in a (Western) European jail is much different than ending up in an Israeli prison or an American one. In the first type, you can pass your time by playing Xbox and Nintendo. However, no such luxuries in other parts of the world.

Very true, I've heard the Norwegian prisons are the most luxury of all.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A9kqv-o0BpI/UBFG0uF3ynI/AAAAAAAARaQ/jW53tVBMyRA/s640/Norwegian+prison+1.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A9kqv-o0BpI/UBFG0uF3ynI/AAAAAAAARaQ/jW53tVBMyRA/s640/Norwegian+prison+1.jpg)
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/236/236815/23681547/jpg/active/978x.jpg (http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/236/236815/23681547/jpg/active/978x.jpg)

Norwegian prisons are better than real apartments or houses! I would imagine that is a problem there because poor people would just do a small crime to get into jail, and live better than they did pre-jail. Do the norwegian jails cost a lot to maintain by the government? I assume so.

I think, and I hope a Norwegian person will correct me if I'm wrong, that Norway has a strong social system, also the jobless rates are quite low, so in general people are fine

Edit: also it seems that not all prison in Norway like that, there is only one prison to my knowledge like that, but that of course doesn't change the fact that Norway has a more human approach to prisoners and prepare them for their prison exit