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Title: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: commandrix on July 29, 2014, 12:06:58 AM Maybe they realized that Bitcoin users who are serious about carrying cryptocurrencies around on a tablet were going to switch to Android. The Blockchain app is back in their store. http://www.wired.com/2014/07/blockchain-back/?mbid=social_fb
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: bridgesro on July 29, 2014, 12:19:30 AM I'm glad they finally got it back in. The old blockchain app made on-the-go payments a breeze. It was a shame that they closed it out.
New app seems to be well designed, though the send/receive icons could be a little clearer/less cluttered. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: DannyHamilton on July 29, 2014, 01:00:24 AM Maybe they realized that Bitcoin users who are serious about carrying cryptocurrencies around on a tablet were going to switch to Android. The Blockchain app is back in their store. http://www.wired.com/2014/07/blockchain-back/?mbid=social_fb They are too late for me. I already bought an android replacement for my iOS device specifically because I needed an easy way to carry bitcoins around and Apple was blocking bitcoin wallets. They lost me as a customer and aren't likely to get me back anytime soon. I'm probably not the only one. This was a big mistake on Apple's part. Perhaps Bitcoin is still in the early adoption phase, and they'll be able to capture a lot of future business, but I suspect they'll feel the pain of their decision for a while. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: waldox on July 29, 2014, 05:10:16 AM they realize by banning bitcoin they are hurting themselves in the trend setting geek crowd
they are the early adopters and influence a lot of the non nerds... Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: SunBin on July 29, 2014, 05:18:57 AM They need to be friendly to new idea and new application. If not, innovation will happen elsewhere.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: AsiaNexgen on July 29, 2014, 08:02:07 AM Yes, it is a good news tho. ANX Vault (iOS and Andriod) has a new update which able to send and receive Crypto!
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Qsquegg on July 29, 2014, 08:22:16 AM please apple don't kick it out again this time, counting on it being there now lol :D
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: ljudotina on July 29, 2014, 08:23:16 AM Apple is trendsetter....they know what you need, they know how you need it...so shut up and USE! ;D If they say Bitcoin is out, it's out, if they say it's in it's in.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Gargulan on July 29, 2014, 08:32:39 AM Apple is getting lamer after Steve job is gone. Innovation has left the building.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: ljudotina on July 29, 2014, 09:26:24 AM Apple is getting lamer after Steve job is gone. Innovation has left the building. Innovation was never in the building. But there was theft of already produced ideas, products and designs, put into fancy boxes and nice colors....than again, when you look at world avarage and patent law, that IS classified as innovation so yeah...in this totaly upside down wierd world, Appl had innovation while Steve was alive...now they lost part of it for sure... Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: joshraban76 on July 29, 2014, 09:40:28 AM It's great to see that Apple have brought this back, however I can never understand myself as to why they took it away in the first place as it only pushed people who used it to another device to be able to keep on using it.
I do like the new look an layout of it though since it's been brought back and I am very much looking forward to using it again myself. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: minerpumpkin on July 29, 2014, 09:54:28 AM Maybe they realized that Bitcoin users who are serious about carrying cryptocurrencies around on a tablet were going to switch to Android. The Blockchain app is back in their store. http://www.wired.com/2014/07/blockchain-back/?mbid=social_fb It's already been about a month or so since apple allowed apps back to the store that allowed the transaction of Bitcoin and generally other cryptocurrencies, that 'are legal in the respective jurisdictions' Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: LiteCoinGuy on July 29, 2014, 06:17:56 PM I'm glad they finally got it back in. The old blockchain app made on-the-go payments a breeze. It was a shame that they closed it out. New app seems to be well designed, though the send/receive icons could be a little clearer/less cluttered. the new design is 10 times better than the old one. try it out :) Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: keanbosch on July 29, 2014, 06:28:10 PM Someone's already broke an iphone and replaced with Android (My friend)..
Apple's afraid of the money laundering thing and so they have to lose the apps and now putting it back.. They maybe realized that more people are using their mobiles to track and use their bitcoin, a potential crowd for iphone.. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: ibittunes on July 29, 2014, 06:29:39 PM the my wallets chart on blockchain should have apple spike now
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: roslinpl on July 29, 2014, 06:33:26 PM Maybe they realized that Bitcoin users who are serious about carrying cryptocurrencies around on a tablet were going to switch to Android. The Blockchain app is back in their store. http://www.wired.com/2014/07/blockchain-back/?mbid=social_fb Really glad to know about it and I am happy for those who can't live without an Apple. :) Biggest Apple's mistake was to ban Bitcoin apps. It was mentioned many times that it was a mistake and in my opinion they should invite something innovative for bitcoin users which will help to support Bitcoin if they want to pay back they mistakes. :) Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: leex1528 on July 29, 2014, 06:39:31 PM Apple is sort of a joke as a company.
The malibu barbies of the real world. "Oh that Malibu barby has a new hat and its only 10 dollars more? SOLD" "Oh that iPad still doesn't have a USB port, and its only $100 dollars more? SOLD" Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: yayayo on July 29, 2014, 07:05:17 PM Apple is sort of a joke as a company. The malibu barbies of the real world. "Oh that Malibu barby has a new hat and its only 10 dollars more? SOLD" "Oh that iPad still doesn't have a USB port, and its only $100 dollars more? SOLD" So true. :D Apple is too late. People already trashed their phones... I don't think that an overcontrolling company like Apple is a good match for bitcoin. Bitcoin liberates, Apple incarcerates the user. ya.ya.yo! Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: AliceWonder on July 29, 2014, 07:10:56 PM Apple is sort of a joke as a company. A joke with an incredible amount of influence and an incredible amount of assets... Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Peter R on July 29, 2014, 07:13:04 PM Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: roslinpl on July 29, 2014, 07:21:31 PM Apple is sort of a joke as a company. The malibu barbies of the real world. "Oh that Malibu barby has a new hat and its only 10 dollars more? SOLD" "Oh that iPad still doesn't have a USB port, and its only $100 dollars more? SOLD" You are joking isn't? :) Apple is a legend and a cradle of desktop computers. Even with many mistakes they are still not a joke. :) Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: leex1528 on July 29, 2014, 07:25:57 PM You are joking isn't? :) Apple is a legend and a cradle of desktop computers. Even with many mistakes they are still not a joke. :) It is a slight joke with exaggeration. Apple is the only company I know of that basically says "fuck you customers, we are doing this shit my way" PS, we are going to overcharge the shit out of you too. I really like their products they do work great. But you can get it so much cheaper anywhere you look and they still have refused to put a USB charger on an iPad....insane! Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: roslinpl on July 29, 2014, 07:40:44 PM You are joking isn't? :) Apple is a legend and a cradle of desktop computers. Even with many mistakes they are still not a joke. :) It is a slight joke with exaggeration. Apple is the only company I know of that basically says "fuck you customers, we are doing this shit my way" PS, we are going to overcharge the shit out of you too. I really like their products they do work great. But you can get it so much cheaper anywhere you look and they still have refused to put a USB charger on an iPad....insane! I am not saying I am an Apple fan as I haven't got even one "Apple" device at the moment :) I agree that their company policy is quite not good to me and prices are way to high for their devices :) But still - they are "Apple" :) http://cdn.gajitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/first-apple-computer.jpg Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: leex1528 on July 29, 2014, 07:45:28 PM I am not saying I am an Apple fan as I haven't got even one "Apple" device at the moment :) I agree that their company policy is quite not good to me and prices are way to high for their devices :) But still - they are "Apple" :) That is the joke....people only buy it cause it's apple:) If they made Fake Shit and sold it for $20 dollars per gag. They would make a killing. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: oceans on July 30, 2014, 06:15:09 PM It's a shame it took them so long to finally bring this back because those who used it would have by now swapped to devices like Android that had it meaning Apple have already lost customers. I myself am happy to see they have brought it back however I like probably quite a few others was one of the ones that swapped when they got rid in the first place.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: milan74 on August 07, 2014, 12:03:35 AM I am glad to see Apple accept Bitcoin, it is the largest company in the world and other companies will follow it hopefully.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: sandykho47 on August 07, 2014, 08:48:01 AM Good now for bitcoiner who use apple device :)
Crazy number for 1 day ;D but not raise BTC price :( Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: yibit on August 07, 2014, 04:00:47 PM what a shame apple.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Daniel91 on August 07, 2014, 05:03:52 PM Maybe they realized that Bitcoin users who are serious about carrying cryptocurrencies around on a tablet were going to switch to Android. The Blockchain app is back in their store. http://www.wired.com/2014/07/blockchain-back/?mbid=social_fb I'm glad to hear this! Over time this will help global acceptance of Bitcoin. Bitcoin is slowly but surely on its way to become mainstream. Of course, ''big companies'' like Apple will not accept Bitcoin if they don't see some benefit or profit from it :) Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Koko on August 07, 2014, 06:42:01 PM Apple is sort of a joke as a company. The malibu barbies of the real world. "Oh that Malibu barby has a new hat and its only 10 dollars more? SOLD" "Oh that iPad still doesn't have a USB port, and its only $100 dollars more? SOLD" Apple also tried launching their own clothing line in the 80's. I don't know how expensive those clothes were, but they were certainly something: http://www.avclub.com/article/apples-1986-clothing-line-was-glorious-trainwreck-207745 (http://www.avclub.com/article/apples-1986-clothing-line-was-glorious-trainwreck-207745) Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: jjc326 on August 07, 2014, 06:59:56 PM Like it or not Apple is the way to get things to the masses...look at all the stupid apps that have millions of sales. Now for something worthwhile like Bitcoin wallet to get on iphones.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: GenX on August 07, 2014, 07:03:10 PM Yes Apple was missing out on some BTC action. I see several altcoins also making Android wallets, etc as well as the ones for BTC.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: ensurance982 on August 07, 2014, 08:17:46 PM Maybe they realized that Bitcoin users who are serious about carrying cryptocurrencies around on a tablet were going to switch to Android. The Blockchain app is back in their store. http://www.wired.com/2014/07/blockchain-back/?mbid=social_fb They're approving them for quite a while, yeah. I'm still not sure why they changed their minds! Is it really because they don't want to lose the Bitcoin community? I'm afraid that they're too small, still. But I guess it could be that Bitcoin is getting big enough to not be waved off as some kind of silly experiment. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: zetaray on August 07, 2014, 08:47:12 PM I don't think Apple is supporting bitcoin. As bitcoin is well known now, they don't want to be labeled the platform which does not allow bitcoin apps.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: btcton on August 07, 2014, 08:54:11 PM The receiving addresses are way too cluttered in blockchain.info's app. Plus, archived addresses are inced as well. Expecting an update.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: ShameOnYou on August 08, 2014, 12:03:53 AM Maybe they realized that Bitcoin users who are serious about carrying cryptocurrencies around on a tablet were going to switch to Android. The Blockchain app is back in their store. http://www.wired.com/2014/07/blockchain-back/?mbid=social_fb They're approving them for quite a while, yeah. I'm still not sure why they changed their minds! Is it really because they don't want to lose the Bitcoin community? I'm afraid that they're too small, still. But I guess it could be that Bitcoin is getting big enough to not be waved off as some kind of silly experiment. Another possibility is that they wanted more information about bitcoin before they semi endorse it by allowing wallets on their app store. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: RobertDJ on August 08, 2014, 12:11:29 AM I don't think Apple is supporting bitcoin. As bitcoin is well known now, they don't want to be labeled the platform which does not allow bitcoin apps. They are supporting it enough to allow wallet apps in the app store. That is good enough for me. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Omikifuse on August 08, 2014, 12:45:07 AM For me news about Apple saying they will take positive measures for Bitcoin is the same as PBOC declations they support Bitcoin.
It is a lie and won't happen Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: MasterOwel on August 08, 2014, 01:22:09 AM The only reason I'm with apple is because I don't even own a phone, but an iPod. They're good for music, which is what I use it for. As soon as I get around to needing a cell phone I'm going with android though, mostly because it appeals to my tastes a lot better and is more open source to code.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: AnswerQuestion on August 08, 2014, 01:26:27 AM For me news about Apple saying they will take positive measures for Bitcoin is the same as PBOC declations they support Bitcoin. I don't think the PBOC has said they support bitcoin. Apple actually is allowing BTC related apps. It is a lie and won't happen Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: ArticMine on August 08, 2014, 02:54:13 AM Let me get this. Apple stopped its DRM based attack on Bitcoin when the BTC/USD rate was around 600. This allows us GNU/Linux and Android/Linux users who have being buying BTC all along at say well under 10 USD per BTC to sell to IOS users at say at 10000% profit or more. ;D
Edit: So the new top 1% wealthy are those who choose FLOSS based operating systems, such as GNU/Linux, while the other 99% are those who choose propriety operating systems such as those sold by Microsoft and Apple. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: CoolBliss on August 08, 2014, 11:51:01 AM This is the 100000 post about blockchain app
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: logger on August 08, 2014, 12:34:46 PM "Today, he acknowledges that Apple’s about-face could be related to changes in the regulatory environment, but he thinks Apple’s new attitude comes down to one thing: Android."
I'd imagine nearly no one is buying Android phones because you can get a Bitcoin app for them. Chances are good Apple's lawyers said "shut it down, we need to figure this out first" and this is the end result. No conspiracy theories required. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Curavi on August 08, 2014, 08:54:41 PM Maybe they realized that Bitcoin users who are serious about carrying cryptocurrencies around on a tablet were going to switch to Android. The Blockchain app is back in their store. http://www.wired.com/2014/07/blockchain-back/?mbid=social_fb They are too late for me. I already bought an android replacement for my iOS device specifically because I needed an easy way to carry bitcoins around and Apple was blocking bitcoin wallets. They lost me as a customer and aren't likely to get me back anytime soon. I'm probably not the only one. This was a big mistake on Apple's part. Perhaps Bitcoin is still in the early adoption phase, and they'll be able to capture a lot of future business, but I suspect they'll feel the pain of their decision for a while. I feel you on that one. Apple's decisions sometimes just utterly baffle me. Guess that's what you can do if you have $100B in the bank... Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: mrcashking on August 08, 2014, 09:57:31 PM Yeah they forced alot of crypto fanatics to switch to android. I guess they see the overall potential now. To make money that is.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: wasserman99 on August 08, 2014, 11:56:51 PM I don't think Apple is supporting bitcoin. As bitcoin is well known now, they don't want to be labeled the platform which does not allow bitcoin apps. They are supporting it enough to allow wallet apps in the app store. That is good enough for me. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: NotAtOld on August 09, 2014, 06:56:49 AM "Today, he acknowledges that Apple’s about-face could be related to changes in the regulatory environment, but he thinks Apple’s new attitude comes down to one thing: Android." I'd imagine nearly no one is buying Android phones because you can get a Bitcoin app for them. Chances are good Apple's lawyers said "shut it down, we need to figure this out first" and this is the end result. No conspiracy theories required. I have extensive, direct, front-row experience with getting difficult apps into the store (though not Bitcoin-related). The pattern you describe "shut it down, we need to figure this out first" is very accurate. The app is pulled while somebody high up figures out what the policy is going to be. Often the policy involves setting up safeguards (that you may or may not have already implemented) for abuse, user privacy, legal compliance, etc. These new guidelines are then consistently applied throughout the store (although some of them are unwritten and never make it into the official list.) Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: NotAtOld on August 09, 2014, 06:57:32 AM "Today, he acknowledges that Apple’s about-face could be related to changes in the regulatory environment, but he thinks Apple’s new attitude comes down to one thing: Android." I'd imagine nearly no one is buying Android phones because you can get a Bitcoin app for them. Chances are good Apple's lawyers said "shut it down, we need to figure this out first" and this is the end result. No conspiracy theories required. This process is slow, and not very transparent. However as a person who has been on the receiving end many times I think it is a net positive for the end customer. Sure, I would prefer a system that is both transparent and safe, but it's not so bad really. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: illymoka on August 09, 2014, 07:29:08 AM "Today, he acknowledges that Apple’s about-face could be related to changes in the regulatory environment, but he thinks Apple’s new attitude comes down to one thing: Android." I'd imagine nearly no one is buying Android phones because you can get a Bitcoin app for them. Chances are good Apple's lawyers said "shut it down, we need to figure this out first" and this is the end result. No conspiracy theories required. That sounds right. Especially given the rumor that Apple is cooking up their own mobile payment service. I guess when you try to do something like this, the lawyers and other higher ups need to figure a lot of things out first. And this bitcoin business looks like it falls somewhere either within this scope or at least very very close to it. I think they needed this time to get a comprehensive look what they were planning re: mobile payments and how bitcoin dealing might be affected by this. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: cccarnation on August 09, 2014, 08:19:12 AM "Today, he acknowledges that Apple’s about-face could be related to changes in the regulatory environment, but he thinks Apple’s new attitude comes down to one thing: Android." I'd imagine nearly no one is buying Android phones because you can get a Bitcoin app for them. Chances are good Apple's lawyers said "shut it down, we need to figure this out first" and this is the end result. No conspiracy theories required. Lets not forget iPhone in available on more networks in US because of Android threat :). More App's (By that I mean both in number and Quality) available on Android than iOS is not something Apple would want to become a common theme. That alone already made them more open and will continue to do so. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: PalmerLaura on August 09, 2014, 08:28:38 AM Be warned, the security of this app is not great. It stores your Blockchain.info password and your app's PIN in plaintext on your phone, retrievable over USB. It also stores an encrypted copy of your Bitcoin wallet right next to the plaintext password (which can be used to decrypt the wallet). I haven't checked, but I imagine these files might be included in iTunes backups of the device too.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: PalmerLaura on August 09, 2014, 08:29:19 AM The sandbox keeps it safe from other apps, but you are 100% insecure on a jailbroken device.
They did add a new PIN lock to the app, but again this is not used to encrypt your private key and is only a UI lock. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: StatusSeeking on August 09, 2014, 08:43:57 AM Perhaps this time they didn't blatantly violate Apple's rules by including major functionality that was completely hidden until enabled on the server, and not turning that on until after review. Apple wants to review the app users are going to see.
Previous discussion from back when that happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7194085 Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: JypsiCreme on August 09, 2014, 09:04:49 AM Be warned, the security of this app is not great. It stores your Blockchain.info password and your app's PIN in plaintext on your phone, retrievable over USB. It also stores an encrypted copy of your Bitcoin wallet right next to the plaintext password (which can be used to decrypt the wallet). I haven't checked, but I imagine these files might be included in iTunes backups of the device too. The sandbox keeps it safe from other apps, but you are 100% insecure on a jailbroken device. They did add a new PIN lock to the app, but again this is not used to encrypt your private key and is only a UI lock. That does sound pretty poor. However, if the app stores its data in /Documents and you have a lock on your phone (preferably complex passphrase / touch ID) then the app's data should be encrypted on your device. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: mamarried on August 09, 2014, 09:37:47 AM Be warned, the security of this app is not great. It stores your Blockchain.info password and your app's PIN in plaintext on your phone, retrievable over USB. It also stores an encrypted copy of your Bitcoin wallet right next to the plaintext password (which can be used to decrypt the wallet). I haven't checked, but I imagine these files might be included in iTunes backups of the device too. The sandbox keeps it safe from other apps, but you are 100% insecure on a jailbroken device. They did add a new PIN lock to the app, but again this is not used to encrypt your private key and is only a UI lock. That does sound pretty poor. However, if the app stores its data in /Documents and you have a lock on your phone (preferably complex passphrase / touch ID) then the app's data should be encrypted on your device. They should really just store the private key and password in the keychain, it's super simple to do. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: abora on August 09, 2014, 09:59:20 AM Its good to know Apple is back. The new app is better designed
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: smashingpumpkin on August 09, 2014, 10:23:48 AM Be warned, the security of this app is not great. It stores your Blockchain.info password and your app's PIN in plaintext on your phone, retrievable over USB. It also stores an encrypted copy of your Bitcoin wallet right next to the plaintext password (which can be used to decrypt the wallet). I haven't checked, but I imagine these files might be included in iTunes backups of the device too. The sandbox keeps it safe from other apps, but you are 100% insecure on a jailbroken device. They did add a new PIN lock to the app, but again this is not used to encrypt your private key and is only a UI lock. That does sound pretty poor. However, if the app stores its data in /Documents and you have a lock on your phone (preferably complex passphrase / touch ID) then the app's data should be encrypted on your device. Didn't the recent "scandal" about those usb "backdoor" services show that this isn't good enough; you need to set those explicit NSFileProtectionComplete attributes? Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: AlPutino on August 09, 2014, 10:57:32 AM Perhaps this time they didn't blatantly violate Apple's rules by including major functionality that was completely hidden until enabled on the server, and not turning that on until after review. Apple wants to review the app users are going to see. Previous discussion from back when that happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7194085 Oh, bull. It'd be significantly easier to use credit cards for IAP than Bitcoin. Apple prevents this easily with the review process Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: FlowerMatt on August 09, 2014, 11:32:26 AM Perhaps this time they didn't blatantly violate Apple's rules by including major functionality that was completely hidden until enabled on the server, and not turning that on until after review. Apple wants to review the app users are going to see. Previous discussion from back when that happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7194085 That may be the case, but did any of the banned Bitcoin apps actually try to do IAP? How would Bitcoin IAP work, given the lack of inter-app communication in iOS? Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: BowieMan on August 09, 2014, 11:45:23 AM This is a great thing! I really do prefer Apple over Android and Windows phones! I think it is easier to use. People with Android phones always have tons of extensions showing them their CPU usage and memory footprint. I don't want to take care of those things if I'm using my freaking phone. It should just work and be fast and simple!
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: ChuckStrawberry on August 09, 2014, 11:48:23 AM I'd imagine nearly no one is buying Android phones because you can get a Bitcoin app for them. No, they're buying Android phones for just about every other reason (approx 80% marketshare according to IDC [1]) [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-v-android-market-share-2014-5 Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Intaryna on August 09, 2014, 12:10:50 PM I'd imagine nearly no one is buying Android phones because you can get a Bitcoin app for them. No, they're buying Android phones for just about every other reason (approx 80% marketshare according to IDC [1]) [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-v-android-market-share-2014-5 Most of the "reasons" being money. Android phones are mostly sold to the "unwashed masses" who just want a cheap phone and get some low/medium spec Android phone with their contract. You cannot really compare something sold in 200 models and 50 price points to something sold in 5 models and 5 price points. It will be like saying people buy more Toyotas than Mercedes. Well, of course they do. Here's another data point: this 80% of marketshare is reversed when considering profits. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: DhaniBoy on August 09, 2014, 03:56:39 PM Maybe they realized that Bitcoin users who are serious about carrying cryptocurrencies around on a tablet were going to switch to Android. The Blockchain app is back in their store. http://www.wired.com/2014/07/blockchain-back/?mbid=social_fb i think Apple is realize that bitcoin is become a financial solution for every people in the world, so they make bitcoin app in their store back again, bitcoin will become unity of the world currency ... Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Mobius on August 09, 2014, 10:29:16 PM This is a great thing! I really do prefer Apple over Android and Windows phones! I think it is easier to use. People with Android phones always have tons of extensions showing them their CPU usage and memory footprint. I don't want to take care of those things if I'm using my freaking phone. It should just work and be fast and simple! I think a lot of people prefer the iPhone to an Android. The iPhone is generally safer to use as anyone can create and public an app for Android phones (and there is no vetting process for the apps). As a result there are a large number of apps that contain malware that will steal data and do other harm. There are almost no (if not none) similar apps for the iPhone. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: TheGalacticHacker on August 09, 2014, 11:30:12 PM This is a great thing! I really do prefer Apple over Android and Windows phones! I think it is easier to use. People with Android phones always have tons of extensions showing them their CPU usage and memory footprint. I don't want to take care of those things if I'm using my freaking phone. It should just work and be fast and simple! I think a lot of people prefer the iPhone to an Android. The iPhone is generally safer to use as anyone can create and public an app for Android phones (and there is no vetting process for the apps). As a result there are a large number of apps that contain malware that will steal data and do other harm. There are almost no (if not none) similar apps for the iPhone. Sure. Continue believing that (http://www.thegadgetmasters.com/2013/03/06/iphone-apps-steal-more-user-data-than-android-apps-report/). Funny you should mention speed. I have a Nexus 5 and a Nexus 7 running Android L, and they both out-speed iThingies.. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: BSIG on August 09, 2014, 11:35:49 PM Good to hear it , using the old blockchain app for now. ;D
I heard of Bither and another wallet app, bitwallet. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: TRYpolar on August 09, 2014, 11:44:26 PM Good to hear it , using the old blockchain app for now. ;D The new blockchain.info app for the iPhone is more secure. It forces you to setup a pin that you must enter anytime you open the app. So if someone were to steal your phone they will not be able to steal your BTC. I heard of Bither and another wallet app, bitwallet. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: troleybüs on August 09, 2014, 11:49:21 PM Apple saw that they need Bitcoin. They should be in the competition. I'm Android user but this is good news.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: BSIG on August 09, 2014, 11:52:24 PM Trypolar,
I didn't know of it, I'll check it. Does it allow for frugal miner fee when sending coins? Thanks. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: jaberwock on August 10, 2014, 01:12:52 AM Quote (Reuters) - China has prohibited government agencies from purchasing Apple Inc hardware products due to security concerns, Bloomberg News reported on Wednesday, citing government officials familiar with the matter. You can say many things about the chinese's government behavior related to internet, but not that they are dumb. For me is good that Apple wants by its own will stay away from Bitcoin Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Light on August 10, 2014, 01:18:18 AM Funny you should mention speed. I have a Nexus 5 and a Nexus 7 running Android L, and they both out-speed iThingies.. Well Apple has a tendency to skimp on the hardware and just make the OS and the phone itself look slick. You have to admit they do a good job on their marketing gimmick getting a diehard fanbase who will wait all morning for hours in a queue to give them money. Although I own Apple products, I dislike them a lot simply for their shitty value and the fact they've swindled the market. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Cenenigo on August 10, 2014, 08:56:21 AM I'd imagine nearly no one is buying Android phones because you can get a Bitcoin app for them. No, they're buying Android phones for just about every other reason (approx 80% marketshare according to IDC [1]) [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-v-android-market-share-2014-5 On the other hand there's a large portion of android users that really aren't participants in its app economy. At this point the value the iOS market presents to developers equals Android and the cost and hassle of developing for iOS is significantly less. Android winds up being a haven for techies who want to run task managers and antivirus on their phones, people who religiously hate Apple and people who want to spend as little as possible on a smartphone. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Jubettarr on August 10, 2014, 09:13:14 AM Be warned, the security of this app is not great. It stores your Blockchain.info password and your app's PIN in plaintext on your phone, retrievable over USB. It also stores an encrypted copy of your Bitcoin wallet right next to the plaintext password (which can be used to decrypt the wallet). I haven't checked, but I imagine these files might be included in iTunes backups of the device too. The sandbox keeps it safe from other apps, but you are 100% insecure on a jailbroken device. They did add a new PIN lock to the app, but again this is not used to encrypt your private key and is only a UI lock. That does sound pretty poor. However, if the app stores its data in /Documents and you have a lock on your phone (preferably complex passphrase / touch ID) then the app's data should be encrypted on your device. Didn't the recent "scandal" about those usb "backdoor" services show that this isn't good enough; you need to set those explicit NSFileProtectionComplete attributes? The usb "backdoor" applies only to computers you have specifically authorized by unlocking the phone and tapping "trust this computer." If you can unlock the phone, you could just transfer yourself the contents of the bitcoin wallet anyway. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: 666uazan on August 10, 2014, 09:35:40 AM Be warned, the security of this app is not great. It stores your Blockchain.info password and your app's PIN in plaintext on your phone, retrievable over USB. It also stores an encrypted copy of your Bitcoin wallet right next to the plaintext password (which can be used to decrypt the wallet). I haven't checked, but I imagine these files might be included in iTunes backups of the device too. The sandbox keeps it safe from other apps, but you are 100% insecure on a jailbroken device. They did add a new PIN lock to the app, but again this is not used to encrypt your private key and is only a UI lock. That does sound pretty poor. However, if the app stores its data in /Documents and you have a lock on your phone (preferably complex passphrase / touch ID) then the app's data should be encrypted on your device. Didn't the recent "scandal" about those usb "backdoor" services show that this isn't good enough; you need to set those explicit NSFileProtectionComplete attributes? The usb "backdoor" applies only to computers you have specifically authorized by unlocking the phone and tapping "trust this computer." If you can unlock the phone, you could just transfer yourself the contents of the bitcoin wallet anyway. Well, if you have access to an unlockable phone, this would get you access to the Blockchain app's data despite the app's PIN lock Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Dawnbreaker on August 10, 2014, 09:47:40 AM Maybe they realized that Bitcoin users who are serious about carrying cryptocurrencies around on a tablet were going to switch to Android. The Blockchain app is back in their store. http://www.wired.com/2014/07/blockchain-back/?mbid=social_fb Wow wow wow, slow it down, ghost of Steve Jobs! Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Riniaiokl on August 10, 2014, 09:50:21 AM Perhaps this time they didn't blatantly violate Apple's rules by including major functionality that was completely hidden until enabled on the server, and not turning that on until after review. Apple wants to review the app users are going to see. Previous discussion from back when that happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7194085 That may be the case, but did any of the banned Bitcoin apps actually try to do IAP? How would Bitcoin IAP work, given the lack of inter-app communication in iOS? It's probably more a case of IAP being the only sanctioned way to pay for digital services inside apps, with bitcoin transactions being a way to bypass the entire 30% cut that Apple takes for IAPs. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Tenarlty on August 10, 2014, 09:54:59 AM Perhaps this time they didn't blatantly violate Apple's rules by including major functionality that was completely hidden until enabled on the server, and not turning that on until after review. Apple wants to review the app users are going to see. Previous discussion from back when that happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7194085 That may be the case, but did any of the banned Bitcoin apps actually try to do IAP? How would Bitcoin IAP work, given the lack of inter-app communication in iOS? It's probably more a case of IAP being the only sanctioned way to pay for digital services inside apps, with bitcoin transactions being a way to bypass the entire 30% cut that Apple takes for IAPs. No more than credit cards, PayPal, etc. are. Both methods would result in your app being rejected, so Apple has nothing to fear there. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Jacobit on August 10, 2014, 10:53:33 AM It is a slight joke with exaggeration.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Mobius on August 11, 2014, 05:24:36 AM Be warned, the security of this app is not great. It stores your Blockchain.info password and your app's PIN in plaintext on your phone, retrievable over USB. It also stores an encrypted copy of your Bitcoin wallet right next to the plaintext password (which can be used to decrypt the wallet). I haven't checked, but I imagine these files might be included in iTunes backups of the device too. The sandbox keeps it safe from other apps, but you are 100% insecure on a jailbroken device. They did add a new PIN lock to the app, but again this is not used to encrypt your private key and is only a UI lock. That does sound pretty poor. However, if the app stores its data in /Documents and you have a lock on your phone (preferably complex passphrase / touch ID) then the app's data should be encrypted on your device. Didn't the recent "scandal" about those usb "backdoor" services show that this isn't good enough; you need to set those explicit NSFileProtectionComplete attributes? The usb "backdoor" applies only to computers you have specifically authorized by unlocking the phone and tapping "trust this computer." If you can unlock the phone, you could just transfer yourself the contents of the bitcoin wallet anyway. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: kerimk2 on August 11, 2014, 05:31:05 AM I've already left apple for this sole reason. I have now realised how much better android is, although it is extremely insecure, as one bad apk downloaded means all your wallet passwords would be stolen and used. Thats why I don't keep any more than 0.01 on my phone wallet at any time. I use xapo.com's vault for long-term storage.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: MultipliedCombo on August 11, 2014, 07:45:56 AM Well, that's a good choice that Apple has done to re-add it. Good on ya, Apple.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: montello on August 11, 2014, 10:27:53 AM It's good to know they are back before been totally flawed by others.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: HarmonLi on August 11, 2014, 02:26:28 PM I've already left apple for this sole reason. I have now realised how much better android is, although it is extremely insecure, as one bad apk downloaded means all your wallet passwords would be stolen and used. Thats why I don't keep any more than 0.01 on my phone wallet at any time. I use xapo.com's vault for long-term storage. Haahhaa, so you're telling me that Android isn't sandboxing the access for 3rd party apps to other 3rd party apps? Wow, what a security flaw right there! I just thought Android as ugly as the night, but that takes the story to a whole new level... Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: zhouqi_cn on August 13, 2014, 02:04:30 AM Yes, I found several bitcoin wallet app in apple store, like Blockchain,Coinpocket,Bither. It's good for bitcoin.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Candystripes on August 13, 2014, 02:41:48 AM Imagine the bank they could have made if they set it to a .99 price, hehe. If 100K users bought it...
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: BitcoinMachine on August 13, 2014, 03:15:56 AM Good to hear it , using the old blockchain app for now. ;D The new blockchain.info app for the iPhone is more secure. It forces you to setup a pin that you must enter anytime you open the app. So if someone were to steal your phone they will not be able to steal your BTC. I heard of Bither and another wallet app, bitwallet. You must be kidding. Bither is far more secure. You can take a look at this thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=606238 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=606238) Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Leina on August 13, 2014, 03:20:58 AM Apple caved in due to crypto trend. If they don't, they will increase the speed of losing smart phone market.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Mobius on August 13, 2014, 04:17:36 AM I've already left apple for this sole reason. I have now realised how much better android is, although it is extremely insecure, as one bad apk downloaded means all your wallet passwords would be stolen and used. Thats why I don't keep any more than 0.01 on my phone wallet at any time. I use xapo.com's vault for long-term storage. It sounds a lot like you are making the argument to stay with apple. If android phones are insecure then why use them? Your BTC is only one of many things that could get stolen if an attacker were to gain access to your phone (sensitive information on your phone like text messages, banking information, pictures, your geo-location, potentially your identity). Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: bitkilo on August 13, 2014, 04:22:34 AM The damage has alreay been done to Apple for not having bitcoin apps long ago, and for this reason among other i will never use Apple.
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Vortex20000 on August 13, 2014, 06:38:05 AM Quote from: AliceWonder Quote from: leex1528 on 30 July 2014, 02:39:31 :yesnod:Apple is sort of a joke as a company. A joke with an incredible amount of influence and an incredible amount of assets... Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: Mobius on August 13, 2014, 06:40:46 AM The damage has alreay been done to Apple for not having bitcoin apps long ago, and for this reason among other i will never use Apple. I think what they are doing now will matter more then what they have done in the past. If they allow BTC wallets now then people will be able to buy, use and spend bitcoin that have an iPhone. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: leex1528 on August 13, 2014, 03:33:43 PM As long as IOS will be more secure then Android and Windows, Apple will have any interest in encouraging people to use cryptos: it will mean people will be forced to buy apple just to sleep sweet dreams. Yes they are more secure...but mostly because of their product not being sold as much. Yes apple OS is built on a unix background so its slightly better. The fact of the matter is though, people don't hack it as much because there isn't enough of them out there to be a big hit Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: bitcoinminer007 on August 13, 2014, 03:36:18 PM It is a good news for Apple users like me. I am using Iphone 4S. Can anyone provide me the direct link of App store?
Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: zedicus on August 14, 2014, 10:54:55 PM As long as IOS will be more secure then Android and Windows, Apple will have any interest in encouraging people to use cryptos: it will mean people will be forced to buy apple just to sleep sweet dreams. Yes they are more secure...but mostly because of their product not being sold as much. Yes apple OS is built on a unix background so its slightly better. The fact of the matter is though, people don't hack it as much because there isn't enough of them out there to be a big hit I think that overall iPhones are much more secure then android phones, however you need to trust any dev of any app that you install that will have any amount of your bitcoin on that phone. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: SunBin on August 14, 2014, 11:32:55 PM As long as IOS will be more secure then Android and Windows, Apple will have any interest in encouraging people to use cryptos: it will mean people will be forced to buy apple just to sleep sweet dreams. Yes they are more secure...but mostly because of their product not being sold as much. Yes apple OS is built on a unix background so its slightly better. The fact of the matter is though, people don't hack it as much because there isn't enough of them out there to be a big hit I think that overall iPhones are much more secure then android phones, however you need to trust any dev of any app that you install that will have any amount of your bitcoin on that phone. Iphone is just way over price compare to other phones if you factor in the monthly service fee that locked you in for 2 years. Title: Re: So Apple is letting Bitcoin back in. Post by: btckold24 on August 15, 2014, 12:03:14 AM I personally didn't upgrade to the 5s and instead went with a galaxy.
Surprising that a company that views themselves progressive like apple would shut bitcoin out. I figured they would be the 1st to adopt it. Maybe I will be back for 6s now that more and more apps are coming out for apple |
