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Hi,

We're buying Bitcoins, we pay with Western Union and MoneyGram in USD.

The rate is currently the last price on btc-e.com
The minimum amount per transaction is 400 USD and the maximum is 1250 USD, however it is possible to make several transactions.
Transactions are performed from a few minutes to 6 hours after reception of funds.

The Western Union/MoneyGram fees are deducted from the total amount.

Western Union's fees table:
$400.01 - $500.00 = $40.00
$500.01 - $750.00 = $45.00
$750.01 - $1,000.00 = $50.00
$1,000.01 - $1,250.00 = $76.00

MoneyGram's fees table:
$400.01 - $500.00 = $35.00
$500.01 - $700.00 = $39.00
$700.01 - $1,000.00 = $45.00
$1,000.01 - $1,250.00 = $65.00

It is possible to use escrow through localbitcoins.com (+1% on price):
Western Union: https://localbitcoins.com/ad/109381/cash-out-your-bitcoins-western-union
MoneyGram: https://localbitcoins.com/ad/110907/cash-out-your-bitcoins-moneygram

We do not have specific schedules.

Contacts IM:
Jabber: Wy9o2Y3s@jabber.ccc.de
or PM.

Regards

I will open a trade now through LBC.

Have you?

No one going to do exchange with you unless you will use escrow here on this forum try to share WU and MG fees then you have better chance

We have performed some transactions already, therefore "no one" is way exaggerated. Although, I am going to take a look at the escrow on this site, I can't find anything, how does it work?

Just use localbitcoins. Only safe way.

I can escrow for you. I have no fee. I can also sell you Bitcoin but you probably won't like my rate. PM me if you need either.

Which african country is the author from?
Do not deal with this guy without escrow. Not a person from the forum either. People are renting their signatures and accounts are occasionally hijacked. Use btcrow.

Otherwise you might end up with less btc, expecting an WU/MG transfer. HA!
Just ask yourselves - "Who with their right mind would pay 8% fee for WU/MG instead of 1% paypal fee?" Not only. Paypal has a "gift" option that cannot be reversed. If you use escrow it's the most convenient way.

Why have you stated that high MG fee? I've received amounts up to $2k+ with MG and the fee the sender had to pay has always been around $20.

We are not from Africa, we're from Ukraine.

Paypal is not common here and it can be reversed no matter what, even long time after the payment was made. Western Union/MoneyGram allow you to have cash directly. If you want to have cash with Paypal it is certainly not going to cost you only 1%.

These are the MoneyGram and Western Union fees in our country, a few years ago the fees were extremely low but they've changed suddenly. Although, I have checked the fees to send from other countries and we do not have the most expensive ones. I agree though that they charge abusive fees.

Paypal has a "gift" option, which cannot be reversed. Even if made by credit card. Which means you never used paypal to send money.
Its used to send money to your friends/family. Otherwise everyone would intentionally send money to their family and reverse it after money are withdrawn.
Thats why they ask you for a reason for payment.
I dont believe that after you get the coins you will go through all the trouble an pay all the fees to send money to anyone. Why would you want to?

People who are newbies anx immediately start to "buy" or "sell" stuff but "you send first" and claim to are more than one (speaking in plural for themselves - "we") are definitely scammers.

Tell you what. If you're so honest and trusting why don't you send someone 5k$ WU and then he'll send you your coins?

Ill tell you why - even if you had coins (which you dont) you wouldn't trust us.

How would you prove:

1.That you're not from Africa;
2.That you have money;
3.That even if 1 and 2 are facts you will actually pay for the coins?

In order to avoid he above people thought of escrow.

But wait you don't want "time wasters", its "urgent deal", you want "serious traders", "but they have to send first".

Doesnt work.

It sounds like you haven't used paypal much.

No matter if you send as a gift paypal  can still be reversed. If you don't think so why don't you sell your coins for paypal gift and see for yourself.

You are misleading people, whether or not you use the "gift" option, paypal can charge you back even a month after the payment was made.


I have used paypal to send and receive money. The victim of a fraudulent payment can charge back the money the hijacker paid with their account even after a very long period of time therefore you're much more the one who has not used paypal much.


Thanks for telling me what paypal is, I am too dumb.


So you are proving that you did not even narrowly read my post, and that you do not even know how localbitcoins.com works. Also I don't see what troubles I would go through making the transfer?


Certainly. I'm a noob and a scammer from Africa because I might have used "we" as we're a team of friends.


You are again proving that you have not read my post and that you do not know how localbitcoins.com works. Secondly, we have a maximum of $1250 per transaction, we have not made it, this is set by the National Bank of Ukraine.


You have proved enough that you know nothing. Therefore I will politely ask you to stop defaming us and eventually stay away from this topic.

And stop posting your incoherent and misleading information.

Also, regarding your bashing on Africa. We have dealt with people from different African countries without any problem and that's most likely because we used irreversible payment systems which prevent us from having to deal with scammers.

Bro, you're transparent, but if someone wants to risk it, then who am I to stop them.

I guess there is only one way to understand.

We are a community. We should all be here to stop newbies from making mistakes and selling their bitcoins for paypal.

Just don't say gift payment isn't reversible because it clearly is, it just makes you look ignorant.

You still don't get it? Localbitcoins is the escrow system.

Pfff! HAhahaha! It's NOT reversible!

Paypal are on the prowl of scamming their customers. Not themselves!
If it was reversible then the majority of users would use it to double their cash, before their account gets closed.
If marked as "GIFT" even your bank cannot charge-back paypal!

I bet 100$ on it.

Yes it can, it will just take more time. Paypal sucks.

I accept this bet. My address you can pay to is 1KCt9ZFS2L6QW4vcdTFqHVzusiaZe6wQGz

How many coins do you want to sell for paypal gift?

I accept the bet, however I am not going to use paypal. Also it is completely illogical as anyone who has compromised a paypal account can make a transfer as "gift".

Not sure if you quoted the wrong comment but I am saying it is reversible.

Sorry, reading too fast indeed. I'm ok to bet with that guy too.

I think some people from the default trust list should add negative feedback until he pays the $100 bet he made (and clearly lost).

Yes, I'd like to be able to add a negative feedback to his profile since he has soiled my topic and did not apologize. Furthermore, the posted disinformation could mislead a lot of people.

You cant leave negative feedback for no reason. People get "scamer tag" for that! I could report you to a moderator. You have multiple accounts and are trying to scam people.

Good luck.

FWIW people will often attempt to use local bitcoins to do an online exchange and will then attempt to ask for your phone number|email address which they will then attempt to hijack and steal your BTC private key backups.  (I've read this story a couple times already)

Just because you have an open trade on LBC doesn't mean that you aren't trying to do the above.  Instead - just search for and approach different people offering to sell bits of BTC online here and deal with escrow from a hero member that has not been compromised.  (do a google search for their profile name to see if there is a fraud thread open about their past activities)

Oh, now I have multiple accounts? Go have this proven, however I think that we've demonstrated enough that your posts are absurd.

Nonsense, I don't see any difference with localbitcoins, neither how that makes it safer if you imagine such a scenario.

He must be slow. Show me just 1 case someone received a scammer tag for "false feedback".

You must have bought that account.

The thing is that now I've got two users spoiling my topic with incoherent rambling while other users posting announces without providing any method of escrow don't get any of such commentaries.

You guys should really be using a dedicated betting escrow platform like https://www.betmoose.com for any bitcoin bets. You create and resolve yourself so we don't care what the bet is about. We've seen over 200 resolved in the past 2 months, with hundreds more currently active.

If you need something special though, like private-party PayPal verification, please PM me and we can try to assist.

Cheers,

Adam

I appreciate the reply, I will check the site out next time I want to bet someone. When I accepted his bet I figured he won't pay anyways so no real lose.

How is your betting site related to my topic?

Start a new topic, and make sure you check the "Self-moderated" box under "Additional Options" BEFORE you click post. Once you click post, you can't go back and change it to self-moderated.

This way, you can delete posts made by trolls!

I will take this bet!! In fact, I will bump it to one BTC. You and I will both put 1 BTC in escrow with DannyHamilton, or someone else of equal stature if he is unavailable. Then I will send you $10 as a gift on FuckPal, and reverse it a short time later. Then I will proceed to collect the 1 BTC from the escrow. Ready??

It was directed at the other users who wanted to prove their point here. We've seen many good bitcoiners get burned from using single individuals as betting escrows so we try to do our best to jump in when we can. Apologies that the post didn't directly relate to the main thread.

Regarding this stupid comment, we've just performed a trade with an African user and everything went through fine and he had most likely found the announce on this site.

Therefore segregating African when you use ethical practices is a no way to go.