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my neighbor was just talking to me about paying it forward. he believes if you help others good things happen for you and if you do bad it comes back to you.

what do you guys think?

ask BiPolarBob, if it's true he must know it, the guy paid out a couple of huge loans for people who got scammed

There is no such thing as karma, just random chance, though that's not to say good deeds or actions can't benefit you as they can (and also the opposite with bad deeds and negative consequences), but there is no divine or cosmic force that dishes out 'karma'.

I don't think that you are talking about karma here.
This is basic christian teaching, and also teaching in many other religions, that we should love and help others and for our good deeds we will receive reward in other world but also we will be blessed in this world.
Karma, as I understand, means that we are passing through different lives and our ultimate goal is to achieve special spiritual ''awareness- Nirvana'' and unite with ultimate reality by living according to certain rules.

For sure bad guys get rewarded in this corrupted system

You shouldn't have to believe in anything to "pay it forward".


Doesn't it make you feel good once in while to help someone out for no reason other than to be a nice person?  I don't have a lot of cash to give out usually but it doesn't have to be money you give them, hold a door open, talk to someone new, listen to them.  Pay for someones meal behind you at drive through, just do some random nice things it makes you feel pretty good, you don't need to have "karma" coming your way

there exists something like that in a way but it's not what people think it is 
 

I think it doesn't exist as a binding concept, i.e. it works that way and there's no way of avoiding it. But the basic principle is a highly interesting one. If more people adhered to it (as some kind of behavioural rules) it could really improve the world.

It is a very romantic view that something bad happens due to person/s eventually it will come about full circle and they will be at the receiving end. Oh so very nice to believe which more people did  :)

I believe in these things. It would be great if there was some higher power judging our deeds. One should have hope that bad ones won't go unpunished just like he should have hope that his energy or soul as people call it will survive after his death.

In order to do what seems good to you you have to create a feeling of good inside.

Knowing whats objectively good is impossible it seems.

The word "Karma" is a Sanskrit one of the oldest language ,The word simply means deeds/actions doesn't good or bad.  Its simple logic, If you are good and nice to me I'll be same for you or If I'm good and nice to you then you should be same, I believe in that. But if someone breaks the cycle he/she should be punished.

there are effects in your acts. If you screw someone, the screwed will be pissed off and will wish you get screwed too, if people see you doing bad things, they will close contact with you and you will end up in a bad situation.

Karma can be the effects of your actions beyond the relations you can grasp, but without any mystical force that wishes everything is balanced.

Sometimes people do bad things and just get away with that with no consequences.

How does this concept relate to bitcoin scammers like Karpeles, Brewster or BFL? :D

Maybe one day they'll wake up and start making a list of all the people they've scammed. They could group up and travel the world and reimburse everyone. And every single customers who got scammed has some background story that's being told. A great premise for a TV Series... I think I'm going to call it "My Name is Mark"

They fall in the last part:



So karma doesn't exist, just consequences you may or may not suffer

I believe in karma. :)

Randomness does not exist.  Everything is interconnected.  To imply randomness is to imply you can walk across a beach without moving each grain of sand to a new location thereafter.  To imply randomness is to imply unintelligence.  As intelligent beings, we create the world.  Every action ripples throughout the universe and the reaction of each action is felt within you.

Spread love to others and you will feel peace within yourself.  Spread hate and you will feel the same.

Even if you cannot see the energy or matter between us, we are all connected.

I suppose it can happen in ways you never can really know.

Like if you give a dollar to someone and maybe cheer them up right before they are about to lose their mind and attack someone - we have no way of knowing what will happen next.

I try to be a positive influence in my immediate environment but it is hard sometimes, when the world is so competitive.

both sides of the coin are right.. look up chaos theory. if you observe random/entropic action, it will be random while at the same time you can still extrapolate some kind of order.

http://www.icr.org/article/can-order-come-out-chaos/

No such thing as Karma as explained in religion:


There is a such thing as improving or worsening relations with people by exhibiting preferred or unpreferred behavior, who are the only agents to observe and interpret your actions in a similar fashion (and this is the same reason why the original concept of karma is impossible; no divine judge, or afterlife for that matter, can be known of.)  When you treat people in a way they wish to be treated, they typically return the behavior in kind.  OTOH, if you treat people in a manner they do not like, they will also return this behavior, whether an exact replica or simple avoidance.

The universe ain't gonna punish you if you kill a guy.  You don't have an increased chance of being struck by thunder or getting cancer for the act alone.  You do, however, have to deal with the ramifications of having ostracized yourself from the rest of common society, the direct effects of which can easily lead you to an early grave or a lesser life.

Likewise, the universe ain't gonna reward you if you donate to charity.  You're not going to grow back any missing limbs or braincells, you're not going to get an increased chance of finding money.  However, people respond favorably to these things, they're more willing to help you when in need and more happy to be around you, which can lead to greater opportunities in life.

If there existed a real force like karma, we all know politicians and corporate heads would be in far worse spots than they are now, but they're not; this is because "karma" as described here is subject to the human experience, and so long as people agree that the actions which take place to make those people rich are legitimate, they'll continue to get all that "good karma"; they will never get what's coming to them without human action or accident of nature, and accidents aren't subject to karma.

i get karma yesterday just because i use real money to buy drugs .
and now i lost a lot bitcoin in gambliing around 1BTC, really sad

not sure if serious, but if you are, then you have serious gambling issues if you are blaming your losses on "karma."

That's not what that definition said at all.  It defined karma as it is.

I wish it was true but sadly just pie in the sky

there's probably no such thing as karma

but if you do good to other people they'll act better around you and spread the word which will some day reflect back the good on you

so there is some karma after all :)

the chances! the chances no such thing as karma;)

i think life and all it's mysteries is too complex to be sure of anything so i keep an open mind to possibilities even if they don't seem rational.

Life is only as complicated as far as you look out.

Look within and life becomes simple.

but if you believe in it, maybe you can better your life?  by like having a heart?  :)

There is no such thing as random chance. Everything operates by cause and effect. So, probably, karma is the Great First Cause rewarding those who do good.

:)

Nicely stated.  And once you become aware of the pattern of cause and effect, you can break free from the pattern ans transcend to dimensions beyond karmic law.

Are you talking quantum entanglement? Be careful using that. You never know what you might quantumly entangle yourself into. Take it slow and easy.

:)

if you are an asshole to people it's more probable that they will be assholes to you - that's karma for me, not some kind of universal justice but cause and effect. If you are an asshole but have means of protection from your "victims" then probably nothing will happen directly because of you being an asshole to those people. If it happens it's probably just chance.

Haha, I know, I know.  Had a pretty crazy encounter not long ago.

Karma is like this to me:  If you are a negative person your whole life, upon the instant you die, when you are reunited with your all knowing soul (as frequencies never end, they ripple through the universe forever), you will experience egodeath and may have a bad trip in the process.

If you are at peace when you die, you have left a positive spiritual footprint, you will reap the benefit of what you have done through life - up to infinite love and peace.

Though in everyday life, as you change the frequency that you vibrate at, different scenarios will unfold within your life.  If you vibrate at a lower frequency, you will attract people and events of disynchronitiy of a similar lower vibration.  If you vibrate at a higher frequency, love, you will attract more positive people and events into your life.

Change your perception and you can change the course of your vibration.

I don't believe in karma, and I don't believe in coincidence.  It seems pretty obvious to me that doing good does not always come back to you in good ways and doing bad does not always come back to you in bad ways--not in this life anyway.  It also seems to me that everything happens for a reason, even if the reason is sometimes trivial or not known for a very long time.

It's true very open.

How can you not think it's real.. it's no special force... it's common sense.

If someone is an asshole to 100 people everyday and he needs help at some point.. "karma" is going to F him..

If someone is nice and helps 100 people everyday when that person needs help "karma" will be good to him and he will get help..

Sure in .1% of cases it does not..

If you make many enemies..

If you make many friends..

I guess most of the times something happens that's being attributed to "karma" really is just some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy! People know that they did something wrong, and thus they may induce something negative in return. Maybe even to get rid of their bad conscience!

I want to believe in Karma so I do. It makes me fell better when people do bad things.

Not really sure why I believe in it anymore. I don't lie/steal/cheat/hate... and I help people in the real world and ask for nothing in return. Under this karma fantasy, one would think good things would happen to me in return. Well, hasn't happened yet. Hell, I never even sued anyone before even though I've had reason. I can't help but wonder... am I missing out on my good karma?

maybe it will happen later in life when you really need it? maybe it follows you after life?

it's very easy to dismiss something your body can't sense but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

gravity is a great example of this.

Actually, karma is not real. What we call karma is really a God Who is so absolutely great, that He can react with each of us individually all the time, and all of us at the same time, including knowing EVERYTHING in the whole universe, and holding it all in place.

:)

My body can sense gravity!   ;)

So you are saying one madeup concept is not true by claiming another one made up concept is?

I do belive in it.

+ there is a special kind of "instant karma" which is basically justice served right there and then :D
thats the best kinda karma  ;D ;D

Karma is the nature of god within a dualistic universe.  It is the essence of nature, interdependant with the environment around it.

Every action has a reaction whether you understand karma or not.  If you believe on Newton's third law, you believe in karma.

I think It exists.

Instant karma's gonna get you, gonna knock you right in the head

What horrible things did you do to end up homeless then????
You must have killed some1!

Karma is awesome, man. It connects everyone and everything nice we do will reflect upon ourselves and come back multiplied. If we do something bad, we will get our deserved punishment, it's the universe's way of retaining balance. It's real, for sure!

I don't believe in karma, but if you go around hurting people it'll come back on you eventually, but that's not karma.


I think he scammed someone. Check his trust.

If you do good things you won't get something good back everytime but it's more likely some good things may come to you.
If you do bad things you won't everytime get something bad in return but it's more likely something bad may happen because of your behaviour.

Isn't that what religions/cults tell you so that you donate your wealth to them too?
And after doing something bad, they could "heal" you from it, obviously for some donations ;)

This whole concept is nice to manipulate people...

Actually, everybody has religion. Essentially, a person's religion is what he believes. And what he believes is reflected in what he does. Formal religions are simply massed groupings of folks who believe similarly in some major ways.

As far as the religion about God, the evidences for God are all around us. For example, a tree. Nobody can make a tree. The marvels of its life and coming together and procreation are too great to understand, to say nothing about making one. Yet modern science is learning about how trees live and procreate. Science is showing us that trees (and all life, really) are like fantastically complicated machines. Machines have makers.

The maker of life is the thing that we call God. We call Him God because that is the simple word that the dictionary gives the attributes of someone able to make all the machinery of the universe.

Now, if you tell me that this all came about by accident, randomly over millions of years, show me anything that can be shown that it was made greater by entropy. Yet entropy is the only real thing that is happening all around us regularly all the time. God, whatever He is, got this whole thing started using powers and abilities way beyond what it takes to keep it going.

If you don't like the dictionary definition of God, see if you can find another word that fits the marvels of machinery that we see in the universe around us. There really isn't any. God is probably the best.

:)

woah,woah,woah

let me settle this using physics

3rd Newtons law of motion


boom

karma!

I kinda think it is a thing.
I mean, if you are nice to people they are nice back correct? i think karma (if it exists) would just be a extension of that effect.

I don't think it's real in RL but on reddit it's fucking real.

On reddit everything is "real".

I think karma is a nice way to maipulate yourself, but if it improves a person, why not?

Is being homeless a 'bad' thing?

I used drugs in my parents house.  I sought to evolve.

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Stream of Kamma, Stream of Causal Dependence
https://atenlightenment.wordpress.com/2014/11/08/stream-of-kamma/

This article was from this great book.  (^___^)

GOOD, EVIL AND BEYOND : Kamma in the Buddha’s Teaching.

You can download PDF here to read a book.
http://atenlightenment.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/good_evil_beyond_extended_edition.pdf (http://atenlightenment.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/good_evil_beyond_extended_edition.pdf)


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i think its pretty real, I mean theres that famous saying of do oneself as to others or some lingo.

people are gay.  And that those that believe in divorce are gayer, but have bigger gonads.

its real to oneself

I believe in causality and go into greater detail in the following thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=824135.0

actually if you really research karma you get to see that doing good actually creates the opposite effect

karma is to balance things, so all good deeds cannot be balanced with good karma, it would actually create negative results

the whole buddhist doctrine of 'karma' is neutrality, to balance, walk the line between concepts of good/evil

now if you believe in doing a ton of good now to say balance old negative karma from past lives, okay, maybe do good

but if you want good karma 'now' then one would actually do all the 'bad' they could to swing the good karmic scales your way

so the whole concept of karma is misunderstood

as bruce lee said, be like water, it hits an obstacle it flows around it

look at one of his last interviews, if not his last, he was asked do you believe in GOD?

he said, I believe in SLEEP

So what happened, HE WAS PUT TO SLEEP

just look at all the historic do gooders

MLK bullet in the head
Ghandi bullet
Jesus crucified (if he even existed)

so yeah do all the 'good' you want and when negative results keep coming you way maybe you will learn to walk the neutral line and try to create the least ripples you can

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

isn't self-sacrifice the ultimate good deed? the martyr archetype.

but that sacrafice came rights for african americans with improved life style.

If you see the movie or read the book "The secret"... its all about the law of atraction. If people think life will be nice with they because they do good things, it will happen. But at last karma is not %100 true because there is a lot of bad people with good life out there.

Its real for sure... there are videos like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXcxpdcJngE

But well.. anyone can try it do something bad and wait for your justice...

I'd say its real on the net for sure and probably real in RL.  8)

he believed in sleep.  he just believed in death.  no connection.  /blue pill

sleep and death, nice synchronicity as this was just published today over at http://www.smbc-comics.com/ :

http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20141117.png

i think its pretty real, since I had helped someone recently. And in return I didnt notice it, but got helped by a random stranger at starbucks when I needed it.

i basically forgot my wallet, and someone covered my drink at starbucks.

It's real IMHO if not always so obvious sometimes.  :)

I had a random guy help me out, when I needed change. Thats good karma  :)

or else I would of have to break my $20 dollars..

It's real so... don't do to others what you wouldn't like done to yourself..

Karma can be a bitch sometimes. :)

It can indeed. I know a few people who got everything they deserved and them some for being shitty people to others.