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"infowarsstore.com will start using it"

Like him or hate him, he's got a large listener base, and certainly can help introduce lots of people to the usefulness of BTC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crEYF4_5fP8&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg&index=3

good to see Alex come around... i know he was skeptical a year ago.

So I'm unable to watch the video right now, I'll get that confession out there.

Is Alex Jones supportive of Bitcoin? Or is he just announcing he'll accept it as payment?

Those are two different distinctions - Anyone who's in the business of making money should be accepting Bitcoin. It's so easy to accept payment and store it or convert as you deem necessary. If he's actually becoming a supporter of Bitcoin I'd be very interested to hear his comments and his take on it all.

never watched his shows but good to have him.

if i remember correctly (read this yesterday), he has a coinbase account and is accepting BTC, but it's turning into fiat/cash right away. so you can send him money via bitcoin, but it turns up in cash. make of it what you will.

I guess I'll have to watch the video.

Another gold bug bite the dust and turn into coin bug.

I can only imagine the Bitcoin promo spots to come.

Great news!
Another step to global acceptance of Bitcoin.
It's still slow process but we are getting there :)

FYI, alex jones thinks that max keiser is satoshi, the father of bitcoin  :D

part of me likes alex jones just for the pure entertainment value. that is one funny angry dude. but then again, there are people who take him seriously.

Haha the voiceovers should be great.

dunno whats worse bitcoin being linked to the iodine suppliments that arnt really needed. or bitcoin related to silkroad.

i kinda lost respect in alex jones since he started selling ice to eskimo's

I like to hear a lot of what he says.   I think the guy could get his point across better if he was a little less abrasive.   His documentary the Obama Deception was quite an eye opener.

The guy basically single-handedly puts the Bilderberger crew on front street.

The guy might have some merit in what he rants about but he is so arrogant it's stupid.

Alex Jones is a knob but bitcoin acceptance....

call him crazy but he was the only one who predicted 911 ON VIDEO  a few months before it happened. 

I think it's good news, because the viewers of his show will hear of bitcoin from a positive perspective.  I think soon other (competitor) shows will follow.

I wonder if the store will actually accept BTC or is he saying that he is now just accepting fiat from bitpay/coinbase.

Lots of people did. The "X-Files" spinoff "The Lone Gunmen" did an episode about it in early 2001. The 1996 Gena Davis movie "The Long Kiss Goodnight" was about a similar type conspiracy. The 1994 Tom Clancy book "Debt of Honor" is credited as originating the idea.

Actually, he says that he's gonna accept Bitcoin quite often, but still hasn't yet. He did sound a bit more serious today though.

He is not a Bitcoin supporter btw, he is skeptical of it, and the possibility that it is run by the establishment.

He stated plainly that the only reason he is going to implement it is because his fans have "demanded" it. He said that it would be converted directly into fiat, and then fiat converted into other valuable commodities, or used to pay his team.

You don't want this guy on your team.   Nut job

As long as his political and conspiracy beliefs aren't applied to Bitcoin.

Image is big for Bitcoin right now, it needs to be seen for what it is, a revolutionary alternative.

Alex Jones is a walking false-flag operation.

He exposes real-life conspiracies but then drowns out the meaning of the message with his own bewildering flamboyance.

He is meant to dissuade the average person from believing in conspiracies by being so over-the-top nutty and unbelievable.

If anything, he's going to have a negative effect on bitcoin by attracting negative attention to it. Frankly he's turning me off from bitcoin right now.

so many alex jones name i see  ::)

Lol! I like all the haters chiming in right away to bash the man, when they probably never even listened to anything other than lame stream media hacked up clips!

Bitcoin is a CURRENCY. A good currency is one that is universally accepted. The more people willing to accept a currency the better.

You seem to think Bitcoin is something other than a currency. What do you think Bitcoin is?

He is already "linked" to the USD by accepting it via PayPal.

This is good news for people who'd be interested in using Bitcoin for shopping on his site.  I was hoping this would happen for a while so yeah I'm looking forward to trying some products at the shop.  Some people don't like the guy for whatever reason.  He woke me up to a lot of important issues that don't get discussed elsewhere and he thinks for himself so I respect that.

At least he came around on it. He was a real bitch about it all.

Haha.  I think he was worried he would be made an example of by the IRS or whatever which is actually something worth considering.  The IRS was caught targeting certain people based on political preference so I can understand the hesitation.

Ok, please point out what he was wrong about then?? Anything will do.

Must be factual based though, not something that "in your opinion" he was wrong about.

all i meant was, it is really a big news worthy event to mention that you can now buy alex jones's wonder drug that can ** prevent cancer **? to me Dell and overstock are more newsworthy.

I dont think the big news is that his store is accepting BTC, and I agree his product claims seem to be a little fantastical.  But he has a large listener base and a big platform to introduce people to BTC.

thats guy its a big man i can see in him future really brightshine . lol

"When the Illuminati round us up into FEMA camps they can take our cash, they can even take our gold too, but they can't take our Bitcoin. For a limited time, you can buy Alexcoin minted right here at the Infowars studios. You'll get these easy-to-swallow microcapsules carrying your money safely secured with NSA-proof encryption. They are fabricated from non-detectable ceramics; the same type as the guns used by Obama's homosexual monkey soldiers. So fight back with Alexcoin and defeat the jackals of Jekyll Island."

Oh my god this is gold. Thank you kind sir, I needed a good laugh.

Alex Jones accepting Bitcoin?

The moment he starts applying his beliefs I will start bashing the guy, i honestly think he's full of crap and only draws attention to himself.

However, we'll still get the conspiracy nuts on our side, so the price will probably go up.

if it will happened maybe it will change the price at 5k next year ? let see what will happened.

Im going to start taking btc soon and Ill be doing the same. Exchanging the btc to dollars at the time of the transaction. My margins are so small that I cant take a chance of btc falling, since I have people to pay etc. so just because he exchanges it for fiat doesnt mean that hes not supporting bitcoin.

I have never saw this man before

im happy alex jones is finally pro bitcoin
he sees the light!!!
he was sceptical regarding bitcoin for the last year
he thought before it was the one world money for the new world order

^ waldox, see post above yours. Alex doesn't understand cryptocurrency, and has no motivation to study it, because Alex only cares about one thing: Alex.



+1

It's also very funny, if you pretend it's a parody.



That's not the reason you don't want him on your team. If you believe that, then I wouldn't want you on my team, LOL.



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Why would you let him succeed?! Whatever attention he brings to Bitcoin, it's not gonna be nearly as bad as MtGox. Mild negative attention is good in the long run.



Or, in the case of some, we have listened to dozens/hundreds of hours of him and thousands of hours of countless other interesting people. It doesn't take that long to realize how incredibly full of shit Alex Jones is.



 :D

He wouldn't call it Alexcoin though; it would have to be AlexJonesCoin.

Are you sure it wouldn't be InfoCoin? Mined by viewing his videos and buying his products?

crickets........

Here's one for you:

From Alex Jones' radio show, December 15 2008:
"In a few months all of the pension funds are gonna be gone"

WRONG.

All I had to do was type in "Alex Jones wrong" into Google, and this is what came up:

http://disinfo.com/2013/04/45-failed-alex-jones-predictions/

http://aattp.org/false-flag-or-true-idiot-alex-jones-is-wrong-all-the-time-video/

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200639

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/rachel-maddow-annihilates-alex-jones-conspiracies-in-epic-segment/

If none of the hundred+ examples listed therein cut it for you, you simple aren't attempting to understand reality because your ego is blocking the way.

Had a good laugh watching all the crap this webstore sells.

THIS IS NOT GOOD!

Well with this guy's track record if he now says that bitcoin is going to succeed IT HAS ABOUT A 95% CHANCE OF FAILURE.

Perhaps it will be one of those things where he has been so wrong about so many things it loops around at the end and becomes right again.

Neil

Hes definitely not a fortune teller, but at least he doesn't shy away from attacking the lies the gov't spews.  I mean he even goes back to bring up all the sex assault allegations against bill clinton (dating back to his college days) most of which have been settled for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

And please, rachel maddow is nothing more than a part of the mainstream propaganda machine, repeating all the lies that the white house puts out, about benghazi, the irs, fast and furious, syria, etc.

i'm not surprised there are some alex jones supporters on this forum - bitcoin has a strong libertarian base. but alex jones, at least to me, is just a provocateur who feeds off anger from paranoid people. actor_tom_truong even links to his site  :D

He is a A++ douche, but good for him to realize facts afterall ;)

Alex has been right about a lot of things too.

anyway I don't see him making bitcoin predictions,
he's just accepting it.  

True, but most of the time he is wrong.  If I make random predictions about what temperature it is going to be outside your house sooner or later I am going to be right ;) .

Neil

So you are saying you used to have respect for him?  :D
I'll agree he has some entertainment value, but he also does "serious damage" on a regular basis.

If by "serious damage" you mean convincing otherwise smart, normal people to believe in utter horseshit, then yes I agree.

I'm quite certain the world around us would be a better place if Alex just shut the fuck up, but no he has to use his "talents" to attract attention to himself instead of actually educate people.

He's not really a better person than Dick Cheney or Glenn Beck or anybody else who spews hatred and lies for a living.

I'm going to go ahead and defend Alex Jones because I think he generally speaks the truth.  Yes, "they" ARE putting dangerous fluoride in our water. Chemtrails.  CPS.   Political control by banksters.  Filming police.  Gun rights..etc etc etc.

These and many more are all serious issues that he's shining the spotlight on.  People need to know about this stuff, and many do not know.  he's opened my eyes to things I was unaware of, so when I see Alex Jones, I see passion and truth.

Maybe he's over the top and makes wild predictions but I don't care.
To quote Barry Goldwater "extremism in defense of liberty is no vice."

You can disagree with me.  that's fine, but to me Alex Jones and Dick Cheney are night and day.

I would call them "night" and "grey".

Dick Cheney = Knight of extreme Darkness.
Alex Jones = "Truth-teller" mixed with lots of 'spin' and stupid antics that drive many people away with a really bad impression.

Judging by other posts you've made, it's fair for me to assume you're also a conspiracy theorist. Not saying that that is bad, but I don't agree with you.

Chemtrails have been debunked by numerous sources, one of my friends is a commercial pilot, given lots of access to his aircraft, meaning he can check almost everything on it, and even took some fuel to an independent lab to get it tested after hearing these theories. Tests were negative. And if you think there are special planes flying around, that's been debunked too. I also have yet to see a plane spotted somewhere that I can't track via online radar. Everything else seems normal, not like a conspiracy... Governments do crap like that. Early governments did that...

i'd say alex jones' content is about counterculture infotainment.. of course he's not the same as dick cheney. he's still a piece of shit who does what he does so that people pay attention to him.

See, this is exactly what a "walking false flag" operation would hope to accomplish: blending in real conspiracies with fake conspiracies to taint them ALL with fake conspiracy smell. Fluoride is put in your water to prevent cavities. You don't like it, don't drink or use tap water. There is no such thing as a "chemtrail;" what you are looking at is water vapor that collects in the wake of jet engines.

Political control by banksters IS a real conspiracy. It is easily demonstrable and visible.

Filming police, gun rights are just issues of common sense that I'm sure Alex Jones puts his signature nutty ass spin on.


Barry Goldwater lost the election BTW.

Finally someone who agrees with me (On the internet).

Glad to see there are others who think the same way.

I agree with all your points fully, there isn't a much better and simpler way to explain it.

So, what else has Alex Jones convinced you of? Was MH370 turned into a "Stealth Nuclear Weapon by the Illuminati"? What about the Lizard people who are in the Federal Reserve? How has Alex Jones enlightened you?  ;D

Alex Jones is not at all

you apparently missed my point.  what is obvious and common sense to you is not known by the masses, otherwise it wouldn't persist.  iow, if everyone realized how slimy the banksters were, we'd probably all be bitcoiners already.

And who cares if BG lost the election, what's that got to do with anything?
You missed the point of the quote.  I'd rather have AJ ranting and raving like a lunatic
and shedding light on issues than nothing being said just because he comes across as abrasive.
If you don't like him, don't listen, but he's waking people up IMO.

Nearly everyone here and on reddit is critical of Alex Jones, and there is A LOT to be critical of.

But I would bet that most of his critics believe the official story of 9-11, as an important example.  If you haven't figured out that was a false flag event (one of MANY) then go ahead and criticize Alex Jones because you are just another know-it-all, arrogant windbag.

Alex Jones is a deeply flawed man, but he IS talking about important stuff.

Don't forget Die Hard with a Vengeance.  Terrorists set off a series of attacks in New York to distract people while they steal gold from the New York Federal Reserve.  Some conspiracy theorists claim that there was Gold stored in WTC 4 which was removed during the confusion of the attack. 

the matrix predicted 9-11.  the file that agent smith throws on the desk has neos birthdate as 9-11-2001.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SKngMkRjylE

also Simpsons predicted 9-11.

This is a good move, for someone who was and still in a way is skeptical about bitcoin and him still sounding pretty serious on accepting it as a payment is a very good move forward :)

I personally do not watch his shows or listen but I have heard he does make a lot of sense in what he does speak about.

There's one obvious big difference. Alex Jones hasn't actually killed anybody, and doesn't advocate war.



You can argue that the intention behind water fluoridation is benign, but you can't argue with the scientific studies, which prove that fluoride is highly neurotoxic and that systemic fluoridation (as opposed to topical) does not help prevent cavities. This is fact, and if you believe otherwise you are the biggest fool. Research the full body of scientific studies, not a subset of selected ones by proponents of involuntary mass medication.


So is the neurotoxicity of fluoride.



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Terrorism is carried out by the people who benefit from it. If you believe otherwise, you are the victim of brainwashing.

Also in The Big Lebowski, The Dude writes a check dated September 11th as George Bush Sr. is heard giving a speech in the background. The Dude was in on it.

Good thing. One at a time. It's always good to see people embracing Bitcoin and its usefulness, even though (or especially when) they used to be against Bitcoin or at least critical of it. It's the best thing to give them time, not to push them and let them see the advantages for themselves!

If that's your one obvious difference, then I would argue they are actually the same person, because Dick Cheney hasn't actually killed anybody either. He almost did that one time but his hunting partner lived. Yes I know, Dick Cheney caused people to die and I am taking advantage of the flaws in your phrasing.


Yes I can argue with it because its not true and this is just stuff you are pulling out of thin air. If fluoridation doesn't help prevent cavities, why is fluoride in almost every single toothpaste?

http://health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/oral-care/products/fluoride-free-toothpaste.htm

If its "highly neurotoxic" as you claim, please supply one case study where fluoridation of tap water resulted in brain damage.


Oh, you should have said this earlier, I would have been more inclined to disengage from seeking a rational explanation for how you arrived at your unreferenced conclusions. Thanks for setting me straight.


Yes it is, and you are ignoring the vast majority of research and evidence which suggests the benefits of water fluoridation outweigh the negatives. You can argue with me till you're blue in the face but it won't change the fact that not a single human being has ever died from "overfluoridation" of their water supply, ever.


Yes, at very high levels. Many ions are neurotoxic at high concentrations, so whats your point? Where's your evidence that its neurotoxic at the suggested levels of 0.5 to 1.0 mg/L; all studies comparing IQ of children born in "high fluoridation" areas involve levels 3-60x higher than this (and took place in China). Usually the excess fluoride has to do with chemicals released by coal-burning power plants and have nothing to do with a grand conspiracy to keep people dumb anyways.

Please keep in mind fluoride is also found in air pollution and a wide variety of food too:

http://fluoridealert.org/content/fresh_foods/

Just so you know, here's who's side you're on in American politics:

"The John Birch Society in the 1950s, founded by John Koch (father of today’s Koch Brothers), saw creeping communism in public water and slammed it as “mass medicine." "

More likely they were just rich evil fucks who didn't want to spend $1 per year on dental care for their workers.

I guarantee you there are plenty of dumbasses who never have a sip of fluoridated water in their entire lives. And the worst part is they have shitty teeth too.

I had no idea the John Birch Society was founded by the Koch bros dad, thanks.

Long story short he's done way more good then bad.  He ignites discussion on issues the general public would not otherwise be thinking about.  People that say this is bad just don't get it.  He has tons of listeners all over the planet how is that bad for Bitcoin?  I don't get why people who don't like the guy are always to attack him and not so much interested in appreciating the benefits the news brings to Bitcoin.

Besides, ala the thinking behind "chemtrails," why the fuck would the government go through so much trouble to brainwash its citizens when television and news media are doing such a fucking fantastic job as it is?

I mean, our nightly news is top-notch stupid. The second story the other night was about a baby that dances to Katy Perry songs. The great expose piece was on a fast food joint that took 70 seconds instead of their guaranteed 60 to process your drive-through order. Meanwhile Palestinians are being obliterated by the hundreds, there's 3 wars going on, the greatest inequality in distribution of wealth the world has ever seen is taking place and our democracy has officially turned into a oligarchic corporatocracy.

WHY THE _FUCK_ would the government ALSO need to fluoridate our waters? We are fucking stupid as fuck already. It has nothing to do with fluoride and everything to do with rewarding stupid behavior with MONEY.

You wake up, get to work, shut up, be a team player, keep your head down and get paid. You agree to do all this and we will keep giving you your paycheck, at least for now. You figure out a way to make money for your boss, even if its by ripping other people off, you will get rewarded with a raise. This is bullshit behavior and we validate it with ever-increasing salaries, to the point where hedge funds now control 75% of our country's wealth.

It has fuckall to do with fluoride.

I think it does matter because it's is a stepping stone to a better way of life.  There is a problem in our society and it needs to be fixed simple as that.  When people are concerned with their health and that of their loved ones it restores values in our society that clearly are not what they once were.  I'm not sure why people being force fed toxic waste isn't something that merits attention to you but hey that is just me
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my problem with alex jones is that he is an extremist who uses anger and paranoid to get other angry and paranoid people to follow his belief system. something like this video is pretty a common occurrence for him. in a lot of his interviews, he puts on a tinfoil hat on and talks over his interviewer.

http://youtu.be/_XZvMwcluEg?t=3m

Does being concerned for your dental health matter? Does caring about scientific measurements, concentrations, standards and realities matter?


Fluoride is not toxic waste. Its a single atom missing an electron. You're overexaggerating in order to make a point which does not exist.

here's more of how people have come to know alex jones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xHCgcGTRAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhvaI07jmkA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3_45pHrnGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APy4j9CY37M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5f8gty0peE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5wBAJgRKlI

damn, there are so many more videos but i just don't want to link them all. he seems bipolar to me. i think i actually like him, as a performance artist. his unbridled anger is pretty hilarious  :D

Who wouldn't have been skeptical last year with all the silk road disasters as well as mtgox faking trades (not that anyone knew it at the time)
Good news tho

Lucky for you, only 62% of U.S. drinking water is fluoridated, with this number being much lower in most of the developed world, with the exception of areas where drinking water is contaminated by the products of coal-burning power plants.

However you simply fail to recognize the difference in concentrations of fluoride between toothpaste and drinking water. The amount of fluoride put in tap water was decreased in the late 90s / early 00s by a pretty substantial amount, so the amount of problems it has subsequently caused has decreased from 1 to 0.

Besides, the amount of problems caused by swallowing toothpaste is pretty minimal, in case you didn't know. There's been exactly 1 toothpaste-related death in the past 30 years, making it much safer than cheetos or aspirin.

I think there were a lot of people who believed in bitcoin a year ago. I would argue that the Silk Road seizure got a lot of people to start using bitcoin (for less then legal purposes) and Silk Road in general likely was able to get bitcoin on his feet.

I highly doubt that MtGox was faking trades, although them loosing all those coins did likely hurt bitcoin long term.

I wouldn't say that this Alex guy is going to particularly help bitcoin overall, he doesn't seem like exactly a roll model, although I doubt he would hurt bitcoin either.

I think Alex Jones' role is to gather up the ignorant, patriot prepper community and soften them up for his survival products.  Dude's making a mint.

This is good for bitcoin, however, not a huge thing but good because his audience is huge.  So if just some of them buy some bitcoin that is very, very good.

BTW, he has put bitcoin off as long as he could because the owner of his network, Ted Anderson, owns Midas Metals, a gold bullion company.  Sort of like the Steve Schiff thing.

This is exactly what I was thinking. They start buying BTC to hide their purchases from the illuminati or nwo or whatever it is now, so the price would go up.

I have a feeling his audience will start lapping it up pretty quickly, and we might see a rally to $600 or higher.

I honestly don't think his fan base will be smart enough to figure out how to use bitcoin. If the average person isn't, the average Jonestownian definitely isn't.

This guy seems to be kinda, well crazy.....

there's a reason why there are quite a few of his supporters on this forum  :D

As for online merchant, bitcoin is quicker and low fee, the only problem is less people use it now, finally it will became the best way or at least one way like credit card works

Um...yeah. For whatever reason he really puts me off too. He draws listeners and accepts/endorses bitcoin so I'm good with this news. I appreciate that he's not on the fence, but he is just a little too far away from the fence for me.

I have a genuine distaste for goldbugs even though I like bitcoin for some of the same reasons. AJ turns me off.

It is waste from the agricultural industry and they would normally have to pay to dump it somewhere.  Instead politicians make deals so people pay to put in their water, fact.  I've seen footage of it eating away at the pipes and your saying it's nothing to worry about.  Major college and others have stated it lowers IQ and shouldn't be in the water...  Nothing you've posted on the topic changes the truth so either educate yourself or simply stop spreading fud.

Fluoridated water is one of the most obvious scams ever. 

https://www.google.com/#q=fluoride+toxicity+studies

Harvard University, ever heard of it?  They say otherwise about the safety of fluoride in water, they are not the only ones to prove it lowers iq and is dangerous for developing brains.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/

Also, one of the more interesting points from the article is this statement: "Virtually no human studies in this field have been conducted in the U.S."

From the Harvard study I suppose you are trying to reference:

"The researchers conducted a systematic review of studies, almost all of which are from China where risks from fluoride are well-established."

"Fluoride is a naturally occurring substance in groundwater, and exposures to the chemical are increased in some parts of China. Virtually no human studies in this field have been conducted in the U.S."

"They then analyzed possible associations with IQ measures in more than 8,000 children of school age; all but one study suggested that high fluoride content in water may negatively affect cognitive development."

OK I accept this point. Key words: HIGH FLUORIDE CONTENT. AKA: HIGHER THAN ANY CONTENT USED IN U.S. TAP WATER DISTRIBUTION.

I agree with this.

Just because I'm not sitting there worshiping the high and mighty Alex Jones the Fifth, doesn't mean I'm an idiot. My parents drank fluoridated water, I did, and I remain as one of the most praised members among my colleagues. I don't even ask for the praise, they just give it to me... It's strange.

That was some years ago, however. Canada doesn't fluoridate their water past 50%, so I'm ok. My city doesn't do fluoridation.

You guys can go argue, but all I know is that I remain unaffected. Have fun!

Why would I ignore it when it proves my point? You're basing your conclusions off of China studies where the levels of fluoride they consider to be "high concentrations" are 3-60x the MAXIMUM amount ever used to fluoridate drinking water in the U.S. Ergo, application of such results to the U.S. tap water situation is ignorant at best and disingenuous at worst.

The issue is that flouride in drinking water serves basically no purpose whatsoever:

"There is now a better understanding of how fluoride prevents dental decay. What little benefit fluoridated water may still provide is derived primarily through topical means (after the teeth erupt and come in contact with fluorides in the oral cavity). Fluoride does not need to be swallowed to be effective. It is not an essential nutrient. Nor should it be considered a desirable “supplement” for children living in non-fluoridated areas. Fluoride ingestion delays tooth eruption and this may account for some of the differences seen in the past between fluoridated and non-fluoridated areas (i.e. dental decay is simply postponed). No fluoridation study has ever separated out the systemic effects of fluoride. Even if there were a systemic benefit from ingestion of fluoride, it would be miniscule and clinically irrelevant. The notion that systemic fluorides are needed in non-fluoridated areas is an outdated one that should be abandoned altogether."
-Dr. Hardy Limeback BSc PhD (Biochemistry) DDS
Head, Preventive Dentistry, University of Toronto

Decline in tooth decay has not been affected by ingesting fluoride.  Being in toothpaste may help, but there are other factors that have helped.  Whether or not you think its harmful to your health is one thing, but there is no reason to be ingesting it AT ALL.

Well thats funny because 2 minutes ago the issue was the American government is mind-controlling its citizens with fluoride.


You proceed to quote an opinion piece written by 1 man 14 years ago.

Meanwhile, the American Dental Association says this, today:

“The Association endorses community water fluoridation as a safe, beneficial and cost-
effective public health measure for preventing dental caries (cavities). This support has been the Association’s policy since 1950.”

Here's some more recent research findings for you:

 New Zealand study finds no correlation between fluoridated water and lower IQs, May 27, 2014:
http://www.ada.org/en/publications/ada-news/2014-archive/may/new-zealand-study-finds-no-correlation-between-fluoridated-water-and-lower-iqs

Letter in support of fluoridation from 3 Harvard deans:
http://www.ada.org/~/media/ADA/Public%20Programs/Files/harvard-deans-on-fluoridation.ashx

Please point me to where I equated fluoride to mind control.  Now you are flat out making things up, so I won't be able to take anything else you say seriously.

Secondly, water fluoridation began in the 1940's when dentists thought ingestion would benefit dental health.  BTW that guy is definitely not the only one to show fluoride applied topically is what brings about benefits, not ingestion.

Someone's going to say those were paid studies, I'm calling it right now.

And thanks for providing these! At least we aren't being held down info-wise.

TLDR....  I'm done with you.  Your right I'm making it all up because I have so much to gain..  
Only person who is mad is you.  Because I support an issue Alex Jones talks about you interpret is as anger, that's your issue.  As for finding info for you, nope.  Educate yourself, I've wasted enough time on this issue.  I've read the report sent to me form my local water company so I know what is in my water and the amounts.  I've looked into this topic and have researched the matter myself for years.  All you care about is calling people names and spreading lies, I'll leave you to it.

do what you want.  I don't drink fluoridated water.  I also use a shower filter.

Close enough jcoin.

Most conspiracy theorists say low IQ = Fluoridation = Mind control. So I'm using that definition.

Right back at you buddy. Thanks for playing.

My point is, you keep shifting the argument in order to find a point that is still make-able. The point before yours was that America is brainwashing its citizens with fluoride. Then you modified it in order to continue the argument.

Not at all.  And again, I never mentioned "brainwashing."   The FACT that fluoride is a neurotoxin is still a valid argument.  I'm simply stating that there are other reasons in addition to that which do not make sense as to why it is added to drinking water.

Out of curiosity, are you also not going to vaccinate your children?

I'm certain Alex Jones is anti-vaccination because that's how predictable his stance on the issues is.

I can only see positive things coming out of a public figure even mentioning bitcoin (sometimes even negative press can increase sales)...
It would seem that the talking heads should be educated...
Whoever is working on btc PR should reach out with a mass mailing to these media types explaining the positive aspects of cryptos.... keep hitting them over the head until they get it and report on it.

And I'm stating that there are reasons for it which do make sense. There is a vast array of evidence which supports water fluoridation helps prevent cavities, much moreso than there is that levels of fluoride currently present in U.S. tap water supplies is having a negative impact on child development.

http://www.thecommunityguide.org/oral/supportingmaterials/RRfluoridation.html
http://www.oralb.com/topics/fluoride-prevents-cavities.aspx
http://www.ada.org/en/public-programs/advocating-for-the-public/fluoride-and-fluoridation

I concede that in high amounts, yes, Fluoride is probably neurodevelopmentally toxic. But the benefits far outweigh the negatives. The situation is very similar to the whole vaccination scare issue that is also being blown way out of proportion by Alex.

Yes, every once in a while a vaccine mix could be bad or a child could just have a bad reaction to it, but the chances of this happening are virtually nonexistent so it makes sense to keep vaccinating our children, because the positives far outweigh the negatives.

probably not. up to my wife, but she's not crazy about vaccines and she's never heard of AJ.

Alec Jones is a tool in my opinion he tends to contradict himself alot.

Ahh, this explains it. Were fluoridated water (systemic fluoridation, as opposed to topical) significantly neurotoxic, the implications would be unacceptable to your ego. This is silly though, because only the present moment exists; the past doesn't exist. Nothing is permanent. Even the worst effect of chronic systemic fluoride ingestion, pineal calcification, can be healed.

I read this article yesterday that said that threads here that reference BTC as being a CIA/NSA project are actively being removed here. That isn't true is it?

I am fairly confident that vaccines are partly responsible for the large increase in autism in children

I love Alex. Good he is doing the right thing!

alex jones on "vaccines." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZMS4nCLFE

he is just a kooky dude. it's his schtick - anything that is controversial, he'll take the counter mainstream side. sometimes being counter-mainstream ends up being right, other times it ends up being crazy. he's just doing it for show.

Nutildah, what do you think happened on 9-11?

OK, fair enough.... ??


Since you asked, in my person opinion I think some bad men hijacked the planes and flew them into the buildings. I think the towers fell on their own accord and I believe pretty much everything in that one Popular Mechanics article on debunking 9/11 conspiracies.

I also believe that the principle of Occam's Razor (http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/OCCAMRAZ.html) applies here as with most conspiracy theories.

You can argue that Osama was trained by the CIA and had other motives for his actions than what became the focal point (Iraq) as the result of 9/11, but I get offended when I see all these armchair rocket scientists arguing about the temperature of burning jet fuel and the melting point of steel.

The same instant master architects and construction experts insist they know things they simply do not. Similar to the Sandy Hook conspiracy nuts who are now suddenly all clinical psychologists and long-careered thespians. They're none of those things.

Who needs chemtrails and water fluoridation when you've got Alex Jones, the world's newest and greatest Rush Limbaugh?

ok lets settle the argument on the whole iodine (selling ice to eskimos) and the fluoride mind control

fluoride topically applied to the teeth can prevent tooth decay.. fact
fluoride ingestion can screw with your body.. fact(slow down metabolism and slow down brain function)
iodine has a positive bodily use.. fact
fluoride does not cause 'mind control'.. fact (but can slow down metabolism and slow down brain function)

right now for the science bit which is where alex jones is selling iodine incorrectly.. yet also the opposition have it wrong too.
the thyroid gland is one of the most important glands in your body, it controls growth and controls the whole hormone balance of your body. if you have a decreased thyroid function, one of the symptoms is lethargy the other is early aging, infact there are 30 symptoms mainly metabolic, but lets concentrate on the 2 that conspiracy theorists claim most. this is not to say you are not smart with a lower thyroid function, but it does mean your slower in responding, forgetful, sluggish, less motivated EG 'writers block' or lazyness.

fluorides damage the thyroid system on 4 levels.
 
1. The enzyme manufacture of thyroid hormones within the thyroid gland itself. The process by which iodine is attached to the amino acid tyrosine and converted to the two significant thyroid hormones, thyroxine (T4) and liothyronine (T3), is slowed.
 
2. The stimulation of certain G proteins from the toxic effect of fluoride (whose function is to govern uptake of substances into each of the cells of the body), has the effect of switching off the uptake into the cell of the active thyroid hormone.
 
3. The thyroid control mechanism is compromised. The thyroid stimulating hormone output from the pituitary gland is inhibited by fluoride, thus reducing thyroid output of thyroid hormones.
 
4. Fluoride competes for the receptor sites on the thyroid gland which respond to the thyroid stimulating hormone; so that less of this hormone reaches the thyroid gland and so less thyroid hormone is manufactured.

5. Fluoride is stored in your body and accumulates which can lengthen symptoms even long after being fluoride free

as for the iodine.
many foods contain iodine and your body needs less than one drop a day. your body does not store excess iodine for later use like it does with fats, proteins and fluoride. so even if you drank a litre of iodine, it will not make your metabolism go into hyper mode. you simply pee out what your body does not need (unless the litre of iodine puts you in hospital first).

now then.
when fluoride attaches itself to the tyrosine enzyme (explained in point 1) iodine cannot attach itself. thus your body does not make as much T3/T4. no amount of extra iodine will destroy fluoride to then allow the iodine-enzyme reaction. the only thing that will help is your thyroid gland producing more of the tyrosine enzyme in the hope that there is enough to share between the amount of fluoride in your system and the iodine both trying to attach themselves to the tyrosine enzyme.
again iodine does not destroy fluoride, iodine does not reduce fluoride, iodine does not increase the tyrosine creation.

so alex jones makes out that he is fully alert, and more energetic due to his wonder drug. i am sorry but if you have a dysfunctional /underactive thyroid function due to nature or the possibility that fluoride is messing with your thyroid(points 3 and 4). extra iodine wont help.

iodine is not the cure to fluoride. the cure is to avoid fluoride and take T4 T3 tablets.

now then for the conspiracy theorists. your body can naturally cope with 1 part per million fluoride in water. and if occasionally you end up swallowing your mouth wash your body would over days will use up the excess fluoride that entered your system, (which is why its important to spit and not swallow). as it takes time for your body to react you normally dont notice any effect, as long as your intake of fluoride is not excessively regular.

But a daily overdose of more than 1 part per million of fluoride EVERYDAY will slowly mess you up. again alex jones's other lie is that he instantly feels better taking iodine. Pfft. the T4/T3 (metabolism enablers) doesn't work that quick,. chump!

now that de-myths the iodine / fluoride crap. my next post however will mention where alex jones is missing the point of his conspiracy.

totally putting aside fluoride, this is a separate matter away from fluoride but is linked to the whole thyroid (lazy mind) conspiracy theory

as i explained iodine is essential to make T4-T3 hormones (metabolism and alert mind). but your body only needs a small amount. but in parts of the world iodine is low. and guess what the main dietary component of iodine is in.......... natural salt.

so alex jones should not be selling iodine as a fluoride shield as that's just wrong, but as a supplement for iodine deficiency due to local diet.
and thats where the conspiracy theorists have it half right.

governments are not "mind controlling" but they are increasing the chances of people becoming lazy sheeple. by telling people to not eat as much salt aswell as adding fluoride to water. both of which combine to exacerbate thyroid dysfunction, slowly over time.

I knew that would be your answer, I just wanted to confirm it.  You are a man who has very strong opinions but doesn't have good reasons for having them.  Many of us have spent years researching these issues so encountering people like you is very familiar.  You are simply wrong about 9-11, Sandy Hook, and probably most everything in your mental landscape.  But there's absolutely no point in going into the details because your mind is made up before you know the first new thing about them.

You are either lazy, as in "I wouldn't want to have to rearrange my whole belief system to let this startling new information in, so I won't."  Or you are arrogant, as in "If there WERE such huge conspiracies then someone of my intellect would surely have figured it out."  Given the high opinion you've expressed of your mental faculties I'd say it's the latter.

I'd be willing to bet you are a software engineer.

He obviously was waiting for others to start accepting it. Peter Schiff came around....

Who else? Gerald Celente? Mike Maloney? David Morgan? ...

LOL, not they are anything but being actively removed here. There are probably 5 or 6 threads about the US government creating BTC. So I guess Alex is behind all these threads. He is certainly a very unique chairector, and I would never say that I don't want any one person to not be behind bitcoin. 

So let me get this straight, you believe:

On Sept 10, 2001 Donald Rumsfeld says $2.3TRILLION cannot be accounted for (Fact)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU

The next day a "commercial airliner" crashes into the pentagon's accounting dept, killing "accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts."  Yet, there is not one photo or video of this happening at the "most secure building in the world."  Not any visible plane wreckage at the site, and pilots have said it would have been an extremely difficult flight maneuver to crash exactly where it did.  The you think Donald Rumsfeld went back into his office (maybe because he knew that the "attack" was over?)

Then you believe WTC building 7 fell hours later from some "debris."  Yet seismic data shows spikes exactly when it fell, and the video evidence shows it falling exactly as if it was demo'd.'

Furthermore, you believe the us gov't had solved the case 100% no investigation necessary and got the info out to all news sources within an hour of the first WTC building being hit.

Obviously you haven't looked into what happened that day at all.  Open your eyes, mainstream media and the gov't in conjunction LIE TO YOU EVERY DAY!

Yep, that's probably what he (and most of the rest of the sheeple) believe! As well as believing that Sandy Hook & the Boston Bombing happened just the way they say it did.

You can lead a horse to water..........................

Alex Jones is only interested in it because he can make money of it. All he does he peddle fear to sell his shitty products. I love how he finds crazy consipiracies in ANYTHING, and will always find a way to capitalise on it. He's a crook and phony.

^ Thank you for that.

If you think that building fell from "debris hitting it" then you truly are brainwashed.  There now you can say that I've used that term.  Maybe you did have too much fluoride as a kid.

A good starting point for your own investigation, this video touches on a few of the MANY pieces to look in to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

Also this more recent press conference, where congressmen basically say the media has been lying to us (big surprise) about the truth of that day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItE28oeMnas

I'd encourage you to find the whole press conference, as there are others speaking about these secret documents.

This is one of those posts where I know i shouldnt look, but I do, and its like:

 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SQA3d7NwSCE/Ur1rMrSiRpI/AAAAAAAAPh0/mnmxLbwtw54/s1600/what-i-expected.gif

Lets keep controversial subjects away from bitcoin publically IMHO

Even if these conspiracies are true, they scare away people who just want to see what bitcoins about

Last time I heard Jones thought bitcoin was part of the Illuminati.

LOL!  :D

man, i would love for someone to troll him and start calling him an illuminati conspirator. just put a tinfoil hat on and argue with him without letting him speak. keep on repeating "are you with the illuminati, why are you helping bitcoin?"

I don't like how "pro-BTC" sounds.
It gives the impression that people are divided into pro-btc and anti-btc groups that are constantly in fight with each other...
Btc is just a technology. It either suits you or it doesn't. I mean is pro-internet a thing?

I just love it when people sling mud at anybody who may even somewhat agree with something the man has to say is immediately called out as a conspiracy theorists.  While the same same mud/fud slingers claim he is CIA with no proof.  It's truly amazing watching these people try and rationalize their insane claims while putting others down at the same time.

Not directed at anybody just a observation really.

Certain interest groups stand to gain or lose money based on the success or failure of BTC, so those are the people doing the majority of the fighting. For me "pro-BTC" has libertarian connotations (for better or for worse) whereas "anti-BTC" has connotations of ignorance and the old guard protecting itself.

I am not claiming he is CIA. But I am slinging mud at him because he deserves it. He perpetuates a culture of willful ignorance and mental weakness. He has placed his ego as being more important than the proper education of his fans. This is undeniable given his incredibly poor track record of his predictions. If he truly cared about people, he'd stop filling their heads with certifiably false garbage for profit.

Again, if you ignore the FACT that Alex Jones is documented as being WRONG or a LIAR literally hundreds of times, its simply because your ego is too fragile to accept the totality of the situation. You're just a weak person too afraid to admit that your hero and savior might be just another cheesy, self-centered charlatan.

BTW, you can't sling FUD at one of THE biggest FUD-slingers of all-time. That's what he does for a living: FUD. Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt = the initials of Alex Jones.

Lol!  ::)

 :-*

 ;D

http://s36.photobucket.com/user/benjamindees/media/infowars_zpsc8179013.png.html

Yep, here's the video, announcing the Infowars Store takes Bitcoin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovk-G_sgwmc

Alex following the money again  ;D

Didn't realize Satoshi is a shape-shifting lizard

Saw that this morning. I subscribe to his channel just for the lolz really. I'm not a fan oif him but he entertains me. Glad he's got on board with bitcoin though. It's all good for us.

so that means more transaction volume. and you cant be certain he isnt buying some things in btc or paying som eother people in btc, unless he stated that 100% of it gets converted to fiat EVERYTIME. i really doubt he would do that, even most people/businesses dont do that. most people like to hold a little bit just to have some fun and try to be a hipster.

He seems on the fence about it fully, but he said he supports it because it's an alternative way to corrupt fiat and likes it because of the freedom and frees choice aspect of it, but doesn't believe in it fully enough to put much of his own money into it. I'm sure he'll come around fully eventually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovk-G_sgwmc
nice!