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Go onto ebay, choose any listing but it now or auction, WIN the listing $$ is no object bid it up!

When you receive that equipment message seller to discuss a "problem", does not matter the reason try; Low hash, will not power up, smells funny, etc... Seller will most likely offer a refund/replacement, GREAT. Now just mine for the next 28 days, then file claim with ebay "CS" in the resolution center and request "Full Refund", after 3 days escalate the claim and eBay will issue a RMA and sometimes even front you the shipping. You can usually get a few more days of mining before returning equipment. 3 days after return delivery to seller, eBay will transfer funds and they go after the seller. So for the "cost" of a traceable shipment you can get 30+ days of hash.

The best thing EBAY will support you in the action 100% forcing the seller to accept equipment back (or even empty boxes :) )


Ah eBay -- A Pirates life for me..



p.s. Above depicts actions taken against my business, thousands lost trying to spread the BTC network. Scumbags are getting thick in here!

No cool, bro.

Took me 3 hours on the phone and 4 layers of CS to get this concept, E'N'AY needs to change the way they do business. Clearly they have created a monster.

Ebay is an extremely shady company when working with bitcoin related stuff. They will always side with the buyer and there were cases, where the buyer got the goods and said he didn't. The seller had tracking info and everything, still buyer got money back + the miner...

Stay away!

you just probably gave a good scam to the neg trust fanboys

Is selling overpriced hardware on Ebay to noobs not working out for you anymore? ::) h my.

Yeah real noobs alright! and the money WOW I can almost make ROI ;(

Pathetic!  Life is hard enough without people like you.  The Bitcoin community doesn't need more scams.

If you read carefully, he has been scammed by the above method not scammer...

I've had really good luck & met fantastic folks selling my miners!!!  8)

I don't put up with any crap either,less than 10 positive feedback/no communication/too many neg feedback,I cancel the bid & ban that ebayer from bidding on my stuff!!  ;D

It is sad but I hear a lot of these going on...  Ebay sellers can ROI fast but there is always the risk of catching one of these customers and forget the ROI.  Will be in a hole so fast

:(

Ahh eBay... Pirate's life indeed.  Nothing for the seller and every chance in the world for the buyer to scam.  Criagslist is a decent option in bigger cities.

Had the EXACT thing happen to me.

For those who didn't read the entire thing he is a seller that had this happen (probably multiple times).

I had 2 units the user kept for 2.5 months and still won the claim that it was broken.  Shipped back 2 Avalon 2 55nm 200GH/s FUBAR'ed...  They left FULLY secured and hashing.

Ebay basically told us to get fucked in the long run.  No matter how much I helped the guy originally with problems that didn't exist with the miners.  We dealt with a guy named DJ from Ebay and basically he is just as large of a failure at life as the guy who screwed us.

I've sold a lot of asic miners through ebay, only had 1 return which was legit.  I did get some guidance from ebay though as well as paypal to not sell bitcoin related items with a refund due to high fraud rates. When I was selling bitcoins on ebay and accepting paypal, fraud was through the roof and lost some btc to compromised paypal buyer accounts. Anyway, after putting no refund/no return on my auctions, I've had no issues.

I am waiting for someone to develop that awesome alternative system to replace the ebay/paypal system. It's just a matter of time before something breaks through.

I read that Avalon customers had a lot of complaints, did you get scammed twice on those?

This is a good reason why I prefer to sell in this forum using escrow...

+1

Ah,no wonder I've done ok,I've been doing no refunds myself after looking around Ebay auctions for miners & noticing the majority of sellers doing this,dumb luck I figured it out  :D

How can u set no refund for ebay auctions?

When creating a listing,it's one of the last sections on the page.It's a drop down selection,if that helps  ;)

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old news.

i'm a seasoned ebay seller. ebay sucks big fat donkey balls.

there is a quick available buck profit with miners but with scammers it's a risk.

ebay return policy prevented me from selling miners for easy profit for the whole time due to risk of these stalled returns. i know some, who have done well, and then lost all profits due to 2-3 scam transactions.

ebay does this for all products not just miners.  miners are vulnerable market due to the whole, worth more today than tomorrow, and worthless in a month story.

sorry you fell victim to buyer scams.  not offering a refund policy is actually worse these days since ebay cs will just force you to take a return based on "product not as described"

if you offer a refund within 14 days you can say your shipping is not refundable and buyer pays return shipping..
you limit the claim to 14 days and at least get to keep the money you spent to ship the item to the buyer. 
buyers cant force a claim and have to follow the return policy. 
still sucks for the seller but puts some limit on your potential loss.

easy money has risks.  op should stop complaining as they probably made good profits before someone nefarious took advantage.

That is correct IF you have NO RETURN as policy ebay states "That is your policy, NOT ebay's"

The Profits WOW man I am rolling in it..  ROFLMAO. The $20 in profit per sale really tips the scales bro.. 

I did not post to bitch I posted to warn sellers to stop using ebay. ebay is a bad actor that needs to be thwarted. Every time a scam is run thru ebay not only does the seller loose, but so does ebay/paypal. The more scams the more ebay looses and hopefully they will loose BTC miners as a whole.

+1 on needing a new BTC market place.

Many alternatives have popped up only to be stifled by eBay's bullying.  If Google were to enter the auction marketplace there would be competition, but alas they have not.  I would be happy to see eBay's marketshare shrink.

Amazon is the same.  I think amazon is even worse than eBay.  Happened to me when I sold one used s3.  Buyer claimed machine broken. And then Buyer shipped 14 lbs of garbage back to me and won the claim.  Bunch of scum bags. 

Omg that sucks.... can the cops do something about it?

sorry.. did not mean to offend.  i too am not "fond" of ebay but am forced to use it because that's where the buyers are. it used to be fair, before, when you could leave negative feedback for buyers.  then ebay decided to stop the back and forth and move more towards a "mall of ebay stores" mentality where buyer is king and sellers must comply.

as for the profits.  its too late now with the flood, but in jan feb and march of this year when it was not as popular antminers were selling for absolutely insane premium on ebay.  2/4/8/24/48 hour mining contracts were selling for 500-1000% + of value also.