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My Account "Zedicus" has been hacked! I found the instructions to recover account by theymos and i sent him a signed message a few days ago but have not heard back! Can someone contact a mod for me so they can disable my account so the hacker cant keep posting as me!! plz!!  

Nope, only theymos (or can bad bear now too?) will restore your account and only if you can prove that its yours. Mind sharing the signed message?

^^ I can easily proove its my account. What i need is to get the attention of a mod so they can disable the account until my proof is confirmed and the account is recovered. 

It looks like this user is trying to steal an account with zero proof of anything. If he had signed a message then theymos would have reset the password email for him so he can reset his password.

This is a new low for scammers.

You suck man!!! Get your own account! 

If you can prove it's your account please do so. I'm not exactly sure what disabling the account will do - anyway regardless, the most a mod could do for you is to ban the account in question for a period of time.


I must say, given that the style of writing of your account has shifted a lot since (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=87896;sa=showPosts;start=80) I would consider you rather suspicious. Any explanation for that?

I've exchanged PMs with both accounts. Bayuo first contacted me asking for help, saying his Zedicus account was hacked. I pretty much told him I couldn't help. I then PMed the Zedicus account informing him of this thread, just in case he is in fact the real Zedicus, and the account Bayou was trying to pull some scam. It is obvious one of them is the real Zedicus and one is not, so I hope a solution is figured out quickly.

To the real Zedicus: Any way to prove you are who you say you are?

Regarding the bold part, BadBear said he won't do it except in special cases.

I have done some digging around looking for something that could link Zedicus to his account. I have done some business with him in the past, as he participated in a group buy I did a while back. Here is a link to all of the transactions in the group buy which were done about a year ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=268280.msg2869200#msg2869200

Zedicus' transactions include the following Bitcoin transaction IDs:


All transactions done with him involved the Bitcoin address: 1Mc6bbZKwthrCWgtwa7yGsADKAqoNNza5L

Assuming the real Zedicus still has control of this Bitcoin address, we could have him sign a message proving he owns the private key for that address.

Hope this helps!

Hey CH!

Hell yeah i have control of that account!!! I have control of both that and the other account that was in my sig too...  :)

EDIT: Just sent you a signed msg CH!!

I also sent you more proof via pm a second ago   ...!!!
( ill post in that forum )
EDIT: i just posted a msg in your profile page on that secret forum we used just for that group buy!!


No matter what happens thanks alot for trying to help CH, you are a gem!!



@ Shogen: Thanks for posting that bit of info ..

@ Light : Wow you almost hit it right on the nail!!! I think this was my last post before the account got hacked: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577437.msg7798338#msg779833
 
 

 

I took a look at the account's post history and your claim is looking to be more credible by the moment. As anyone can check, the original owner of the account was quite sporadic in posting. Then suddenly, August 14 comes and the account suddenly makes close to 80 posts in just a couple of days. The speed at which the posts are made is clearly due to the PD advertising found in the signature. If bayuo is indeed telling the truth, then someone prolly hacked the account in order to sell the account to a fool or to participate in a signature campaign himself/herself. I would recommend contacting Stunna about this matter as well, since payday is on the 17th. If bayuo can prove his/her claim, then we can stop any payments to the hacker. If not, then we can all vouch for zedicus in the future.

Yeah, I'll send a PM to Stunna explaining the situation, don't want the possibility of a thief benefiting from their crime.

@bayuo: You still have to send the signed message to theymos - while it helps us in helping you, we cannot actually reset your account for you. Do you have a direct post from which you posted an associated address from which you are signing the message?

The suspense. I like it.

This Zedicus account is definitely hacked.

The owner uses a lot of smileys, whereas I don't see a single smiley in the last posts of zedicus.

Pretty damn sad though that the scammer came on the account and says he took it to an all time low despite the real zedicus having all the evidence needed.

Gonna leave some rep on that account till you get it back bayuo!

I wouldn't say conclusively it's been hacked yet, but currently all the signs indicate it's true - including his willingness to sign a message. I know for a fact that if I was hacked I would be more than happy to sign a message. We just need the actual signed message and we're pretty much good to go.

PS: Might as well sneak in my address - just in case I do get hacked I have a reference post. 1Light1BN9Lu38Jab9iqVmJXt4Rc66WAoB.

I'll keep that in mind :D

I should sneak in my IRC name.

*Hint* It's Somekindabitcoin too

Actually, you might want to post a BTC address or PGP key. Those are the only two accepted verifiable means by which theymos will return you your account.
See here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497545.0

Yup, you could put your btc address or PGP key in a post and write down the post ID.
Or you could put it in a PM and sent the PM to defaulttrust and write down the PM ID.

In that case,

1PTNSYEd6XwiU66emBdhpkZ42SNW76QdXX

@ Light !!! &  Relnarien !!!

I am telling the truth!!! Thanks for trying to help!!! If this guy is using my account to profit from it somehow from signature advertizing? It would be really great if we could stop him from getting paid!!! I dunno who Stunna is but im assuming its the guy who runs the advertizing thing! If you guys can get his attention and point him this way i would forever be grateful!!

Look at this google cache of this post i made in dec!
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8f7xqK_Mz7UJ:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php%3Ftopic%3D355305.0%3Ball+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a



Look in my sig on that cached page from December!!! See that btc address!!! Thats mine! I can sign a message from that address!

1A29gJEFXB2yJ7kVVmR7xrnZTj4yeumwyU



Also like CoinHoarder said! I did a 14 btc transaction with him like a year ago for a group buy!  

From this address:  1Mc6bbZKwthrCWgtwa7yGsADKAqoNNza5L

So i can sign from that address too!!

Also on that same google cached page if you scroll down you can see i posted a picture of my PANEL!!!


Here is the same panel right now ... i just took a pic of it, my electrician added new breakers and a 30A!!!
 https://i.imgur.com/jmqYBpr.jpg

Hey! Light & Relnarien!!

I just sent you both a signed msg via PM from my btc address.

Look at the address on my sig on this google cached page below! Now look at the PM i sent and verify it!

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8f7xqK_Mz7UJ:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php%3Ftopic%3D355305.0%3Ball+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a



You both should now have no doubts that i am the one and only Zedicus! Also CoinHoarder should chime in when he gets my PM as i sent him a signed msg from the other btc address associated with my account!


 

If there is anything else you guys can think of..


Thanks again!

Well I can confirm that the signed message I received via PM comes from the address he's listed in the cached version of his post. Hence, I can say with almost full confidence that bayuo is in fact the real owner.

@bayuo: I would advise you send theymos a PM with all the information he's requested as stated here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497545.0

Please do so in a single PM. If he doesn't respond in a couple of days - send it once more, he does occasionally miss some PMs. I've already PM'ed Stunna so hopefully the hacker won't get any profit from this venture.

Thanks for confirming and Vouching for me!!! Appreciate it alot!! Im going to PM theymos again!!

When you get your account back send a personal message to  the people who gave negative trust on the account.

From the conversations above it seems that the account really got stolen (not Hacked ~ Hackers dont steal).

As I can see, there is no -ve on this account => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=87896. I guess no trusted member has left -ve on it.

There are some untrusted feedback on there and if that was my account I would want that removed when I got my account back.

your account was hacked?
i am sorry for that.

first of all. realize that your old account is gone and never ever will return to your controll. that is fact.
do not pay any ransom
make a new account and live with that.
no one will restore your old account. to be safe let the old account freezed by a mod. that is all what you can do.

btw
i lost my hero account a few months ago.

regards
pazor

No, stop misleading people. Hacked accounts can be recovered, if you'd even bothered to read this thread, you would find that there are 2 methods of recovering the account. He can perfectly get his account back now that he proved his Deity.

after around 100 signed messages to theymos in a period of more than 3 months without reaction/action, i can say, i know what i am talking about...

 :(

but if he gets his account back, i am interrested in the trick to recover my account too

I do not have an explanation that I am willing to share publicly, however I do have timing and blockchain proof that I do in fact own this account that I am willing to share with theymos or any other global moderator that asks. I could also give proof to a very trusted member of this forum subject to my desecration however they would likely need to be on an escrow list and even then it would not be everyone that meets this criteria (I have no way of proving it to them but can give an explanation - I do have the ability to prove that I own this account to a global moderator as I can give them PM #s that show proof).

EDIT: I think there is a good reason that Theymos has not reset the email for this person (AFAIK this is not something he does publicly but if he had received a signed message and looked into the account he would likely see the evidence himself). 

EDIT: (separate issue - same edit) I had sent bayuo a PM over 7 hours ago, asking him what he is doing and have not received a response as of yet.

Theymos and now BadBear may compare the IP range of the current owner with the IP range of the owner 2 years back. The same IP range may get compared to the IP range of the new claimant for independent verification.

p.s. There are downsides of this if any of the claimants demand that they have used TOR.

So expanding on that. It's probably a good idea to login at least a few times with your real ip address? Can we get any conformation from staff if they check ip logs in case of hacked accounts.

I would be so glad if mods did an ip check!!


I just sent Theymos a second PM! Seems i found a bug whilst tripple checking my original signed msg i sent him!

I included "" quotes around my username and email address in the signed message like below which made verification fail!

Like i was telling Theymos .. It seems when i copied the signed msg from notepad to: "brainwallet.github.io/#verify" it worked fine and verified.

I wanted to check the output or how "Theymos" would see it so i pasted the same signed msg into the browser like any other post and clicked PREVIEW. Then i copied the results and tried to verify it and it DOES NOT!

I think it had to do with the quotes i used around my username and around my email address!

Here is the template i used that caused the "OUTPUTED" verification to fail!  


-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hi my account "zedicus" got hacked.
Please reset the email to  "mynewemailaddress@here.com"
The current date is "8/13/2014"


-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1A29gJEFXB2yJ7kVVmR7xrnZTj4yeumwyU

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----




I have resent my signed msg to Theymos!  Hopefully he can clear this right up!

If anyone can find me Stunna i think he is the guy running the advertizing thing on the stolen sig!!


Stunna if you are reading this i can send you a signed msg from both my btc addresses associated with my Zedicus account!


Please dont let this thief profit from stealing my account!!

 








Thanks again for confirming!!


Hopefully Coinhoarder will Chime  in too when he gets my signed PM!! Relnarien too!!!!!!

This is a perfect example of why I don't want to restore accounts (for the most part).  While bayuo obviously did control the Zedicus account at one point, and is probably the original owner, there appears to be a pretty good reason he doesn't anymore (I won't elaborate for privacy reasons). Though there really is no way to be positive either way.

Exemplifies perfectly what I was saying the other day about signing addresses not being conclusive proof that the person signing *should* be in control of that account.  


Yes, but it isn't conclusive proof anymore than signing an address is, just a piece of evidence.  

hmm... smells like something happened in a certain section under marketplace... if I'm not wrong ;)

Thanks for chiming in!!


Please elaborate!!! I give you full permission !!! I have nothing to hide in anyway!!

I just dont understand why changing email accounts doesnt require email verification!

Like when you want to change a password most sites require you to know the old password!!


This thief stole my account and changed the email address associated with the account...


He does not have access to my email or btc addresses ! A simple email verification check to change email addresses would have stopped this guy dead in his tracks!!  :(






This guy nailed it right on the head!  

Hey BadBear!

Can you or another mod temp ban my "Zedicus" account till this is sorted! ???




 

I think we are forgetting one thing, there is another chance may be OP sold his account now try to recover
by trying to say his account hacked, there is big possibilities of this too.

But buying account, there is always possibilities of recover by old owner, that is why buying account is very risky.

In my opinion, bayuo is the only one providing solid evidence as to why the Zedicus account should be his. If we are going to assume that every time a situation like this pops up it is because a user sold his account, it can lead down a very slippery slope. I don't think that should be assumed unless this scenario happens to a user more than once or evidence is provided (IE. Screenshots of negotiations and payment transaction IDs.)

Anyways.. I am completely against the selling of forum accounts as they can only be used for nefarious purposes such as cheating coin giveaways, alt coin distributions, or signature campaigns. Or for simply scamming forum users by purchasing an account that people would trust by other means.

IMO, Bayuo has provided enough evidence to have his account back, unless the Zedicus account can provide some evidence to the contrary that the original owner of the account sold it to him. So far he has provided no evidence to support this claim.

It makes perfect sense to show these information only to an admin as bought accounts are frowned upon. It is allowed, yet the community does not like it.


Thanks for making my point here.

Hey CH!! Thanks for confirming my Signed msg!!

I did not in anyway Sell my user account or anyuser account for that matter EVER!!!

Except for this bayuo account i made to report this thief, Ive never had another bitcointalk account besides Zedicus!!!!

 
I have never participated in the selling of usernames of anything remotely related!!
In fact i just found out people were selling usernames at bitcointalk when i got a PM yesterday from a user named "quickseller"  who implied that i had such dealings but i did not reply. No doubt he is the scammer using another account because he didnt post it here, he sent a pm instead! Here is the pm in question..


its hard to make out wtf this guy is saying.. Looks like he sent the pm to another user with a similar name except with two "cc's" --->  ( " Zediccus " ) <<---- NOT MY ACCOUNT/ DIFFERENT SPELLING
  
This is the pm i got! like i said i have no doubt its the scammer trying to bait me into a conversation!

https://i.imgur.com/fPocOIX.jpg
http://imgur.com/fPocOIX




I have never replied to or talked to anyone regarding ANY account selling of any kind whatsoever!!!





AGAIN i have never ever sold my account or any accounts or anything remotely related! ( EVER )




In fact the only transactions ive made here at bitcointalk have been with CoinHoarder for a 14 btc transaction on a groupbuy, some potcoins i sold to some guy named devnullius... and I also made a donation to organofcorti, the guy who does the stats at http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/.

THATS IT!!! Outside of those, Ive never had any other transactions with anyone here at bitcointalk for any reason, let alone some fraudulent account related crap!!


Im trying to be 1000% percent transparent ive signed all the btc accounts related to my bitcointalk account Zedicus.

Im no doubt 1000% the owner of the account.

 
Im bending backwards to be transparent and the scammer who is still impersonating me hasnt posted any proof whats so ever!!  

I dont know what else to say! Like i said to BadBear when he posted! I wave all privacy rights if you think you have have some supposed proof POST THAT SHIT!  Im waving all my privacy rights because i know i didnt sell my account and or im not up to anything shady in any way!

I can 1000% percent verify that i did not sell my account or any account EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope i am being 1000% crystal clear to anyone who reads this, mods, theymos or otherwise!!!!




By the way!!! I believe this is the last time i had access to my account!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577437.msg7798338#msg7798338

I posted that!!
 

 

I got a PM from user "Quickseller" titled "Purchased Account" and i want the conversation to be public so im posting this here! 

Assuming what "Quickseller" said is true, it is possible that someone has hacked your "Zedicus" account and then sold it to "Quickseller" soon after.
Seriously I have no idea how this mess should be resolved...

Now, I think there is a great twist in the story. The account was not only sold. It was stolen and sold !!! I'm not sure who should be considered as the true owner now.

There is one thing I can definitely guarantee you - Quickseller is not going to go after you criminally or civilly.

"Your honor, I'm on this Bitcoin forum (oh, you mean that darknet anonymous serial killer drug dealer fake money?) and I buy and sell member accounts so people can impersonate and scam people, and/or promote illegal gambling websites. Well, some user tried to get back the $5 account that was hacked and sold to me! Put the original user in jail!"

I'd say that it accurate. Screw the people selling accounts.. let them rot in negative trust hell. It is not Zedicus' fault that the hacker sold his account, and he should not be punished for it. Maybe this will help teach people a lesson not to buy and sell accounts.

Give Zedicus back his account!!

Definitely not my fault!! Ive been totally blindsided here..









Thats exactly what happened ! Someone stole my account and then pretended to be me when he sold it to this "quickseller"!   ( unless quickseller is the thief as well )

At this point its so blatant its unbelievable!!! Ive signed both btc addresses associated with my account, im trying to be as transparent as possible, heck i just invited the guy to an open public conversation with the mods and public!!



Clearly he knows im NOT the guy who sold him my "zedicus" account. Why else would he not be part of the dialog here.  


? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?


why would you do that to someone? ? ? ! You have taken over my identity here and you are impersonating me in every sense of the word. Ive pored years into my account and suddenly i have 0 access to all the relationships ive built, all the threads i had on watch and i have been muted from a community i have positively engaged with for years!  


 If you are remotely a stand up guy you would have this conversation here!

 You are either a standup guy or you are a crook. There is no in-between!  
 


Im open and transparently trying to shed light on the events that led to my account being stolen and sold. The only reason NOT to have this conversation is if you KNOW or KNEW you were purchasing stolen property from someone who wasnt me! Possession of stolen property doesn't make it yours!


At this point i have no record of sale, no proof of the account actually even being sold!
(Quickseller actually thinks "i" sold him the account!!! Im completely in the dark here!!!  )


The burden of proof has for some reason landed only on me and i have complied in every way and proved that i am the account owner.

Any update to this... has OP gotten his account back?

So the claim is that the Zedicus account was stolen and sold. Bayou owned the account in the past. There is no proof that the account was stolen. There is no proof that Bayou sold it.

Sounds like a stalemate.


In my opinion account buyers (that means you, Quickseller, as well as whoever bought it from you) should ensure ownership of the account before buying it. It is something they can do. It is something they should do to prevent situations like this.

Can you, Quickseller, proof that the person you bought it from actually owned it?

No! I still dont have access to my account! Im the sole owner and creator of the zedicus account and the current operator claims he has a PM of "me" supposedly selling him account...  But i cant even get a moderator to do an ip check of the supposed transaction of which i dont have a date time or tx of anykind!

I havent gotten any help from a mod whatsoever!!

 Ive PM'd Theymos twice and ive pm'd Badbear asking him to do an ip check of the supposed transaction and pm that the current operator of the zedicus account says he has!
 

This really sucks!! 
 







Negative!! Its impossible!! If mods look through my account history before this post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577437.msg7798338#msg7798338

They would see ive never sold anything in the market place EVER! i dont hangout there, i dont post there nothing!!!!


When i last had my account i was hanging out in an alt coin thread called MNR..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577437.0

I had been hanging out there quite a bit!

Are you vod2 by any chance?


~BCX~

My thoughts exactly. Let's see the PMs relating to the sale of this account. If you refuse... It'll lead me to believe that you somehow knew this was a compromised account being sold.

oh - here's my disclaimer: Personally, I don't like the selling of accounts. It indirectly condones scamming... actually it facilitates them. 

But then how is the account buyer able to verify the account seller is not a hacker?

BTW, we need the 2FA fuction badly (I know it will be there in the new forum).

1) Have a signed message from the original controller stating the account is being sold (dated, with forum names)
2) Once dealer has control of the account they should tag it with either a Bitcoin address they control or a pgp signature
3) Repeat 1): Dealer signs a message that he is selling the account to buyer.

It doesn't matter how many times it is sold. It seems like common sense to me. It's fairly easy to do and it makes it very hard to dispute a sale.

Note I used "controller" instead of owner. It would still be possible for a criminal to gain control of both the forum account and the BTC address/pgp linked to it. But it is far more challenging than merely breaking a (potentially) weak forum password.

@ BitcoinExpress: Im sorry i dunno who vod 2 is..




@ Lucky Cris : I have no info regarding this event .. I dont have a time, date, blockchain transaction or anything. Just someone saying i sold him my account and he is not willing to divulge the information in public for reasons that are UNKNOWN!



I completely agree about the selling of accounts and how it condones scamming! 


I dont want anyone to be ripped off! If the guy who is in control of my account is a "victim" and was sold the stolen user account .. then returning the account to me would leave him with a negative balance!

That said i have even offered to pay what he paid for my account blindly! Meaning i dont even know what he paid for it! I cant even get a mod to do a simple check on the ip or check on the supposed transaction so i can at least hear it from a global moderator when the supposed event happened and for what price. A moderator would be able to see that my account logged in from a strange ip during the course of the supposed transaction. Like i said i have never logged into bitcointalk using some kind of masking service like tor or vpn or what not. Every time ive logged in into my account it has been from the same location since i created the account!! Same computer same isp ..

I would assume it wouldnt be too hard to see when a strange ip started using my account. 



Btw i so wholeheartedly agree that the selling of account condones scamming ... So much so that if theymos decided to change the rules this minute, i would be ok with that even if that meant i couldnt buy the account from Quickseller who was sold my account by someone who is NOT me!!!! --->>>  as long as they disable my ZEDICUS account so i cant be impersonated.

Like i mentioned above, if the guy who is controlling my zedicus account could send the proof to a global moderator of the supposed date, PM's and transaction .. ill pay what the scammer took from the current controller of my account -->>  "the supposed victim" who was sold my account.

and then mods can permanently DISABLE my Zedicus account!! 
 

If i cant have my account back at least disable it so i cant be impersonated anymore as that is putting everyone who ive had a positive experience with a bitcointalk at risk. Imagine if someone was PM'ing people as YOU!

Does that make any sense to anyone out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That said i have been transparent in every way that i could think of.. but it seems that may not be enough.


 

If you are the real Zedicus, I hope you will get your account back! PM theymos with your signed msg and proof. He will recover your account. :)

  ~~MZ~~

It is not that simple I am afraid, as it appears that the account was hacked and sold.

   Its just beyond me at this point. The burden of proof has fallen on me and i have done my best to prove i am who i say i am and nothing has been done to corroborate the claims that my account was sold at all! Nothing has been shown to anyone about the said claims of my account being sold. All i got is some guy named "Quickseller" who claims i sold him my account when i did not!


I had a 36 character password on my account and unless i find out otherwise im leaning towards some sort of phishing that compromised my account. In fact common sense would tell you the guy named "Quickseller" is probably the owner of some phishing site and he sells the accounts that he steals here and the mods dont care and let him do it in plain site!!


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=704370.msg7964147#msg7964147


You dont have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out and its plain as day that the mods dont care, ive msg'd mods 2-3 times and not a single reply! Its the equivalent of apple telling the owners of the accounts that were recently brute forced:  "Sorry, we are going to let the hackers keep your account", Its ridiculous. At least have the courtesy to look into the matter! If you run any-kind of community, you owe it to the users.
 


  



 

Account selling is allowed.
That they are enrolled in sig campaign doesn't mean they are hacked.
Reason why they are in sig campaign most likely that it makes account more worthy so the seller was wise and enrolled them in them to make them more valuable.
Sorry fo your account though.

How to hack Bitcointalk accounts and keep them

1. Hack account.
2. Pretend to 'sell' your hacked account to someone else (that someone else being yourself, or a friend, etc)
3. When original account owner comes back and sends signed message for account restoration, claim that you legitimately bought the accoutn.
4. theymos doesn't restore the account back to the original owner
5. profit!

Also the new "Zedicus" is pumping out posts like crazy. They have to make 400 posts a month, at BTC0.0012 per post. That is BTC0.48 per month.

If they bought it at BTC0.5 they will ROI pretty fast.

Was it signed up on PD before he claimed it was hacked or did the account sign up after?

There is compelling evidence to show that the OP sold this account and is now fraudently trying to restore it after receiving the payment. The negotiations took three days, the OP's account was created on the last day of negotiations after the deal was made.

The length people go to scam on this forum is incredible.

Yeah, there's a good chance that happened but hard to say for certain in these sort of situations. It would be quite an easy scam to sell your account then try recover it. Hero accounts go for around 1btc so it'd be an easy coin if pulled off. People never surprise me here. If they can try get some free money out of it they will.

Thanks for letting us know that's a purchased account.

Show the compelling evidence!!! Show it to a global moderator or post it here!! Nobody has shown me shit!!!


I asked Quickseller to prove he was in control of my account and on the 20th you pm'd me:







Did you read that! Thats him telling me to pm him via his Quickseller account!  


Show us this compelling evidence! Everyone in this thread has been waiting for someone to show us ANYTHING!
 

The last time i spoke with "Quickseller" via pm i told him look man you are either a royal idiot or retarded if you havent figured out im not the guy who sold you my account! At that point he got his panies in a bunch and fucked off and claimed he would never give me my account and would never consider even selling it to me!  



Then yesterday out of the blue i get a pm from guess who!! "Zedicus" or shall we say "Quickseller"!!! He probably realized that he lost his chance to get any btc out of me because of the above and decided to pm me as Zedicus!


This is the PM: and off-course i immediately call him out!





After i pm'd him that he responds by calling me a retard!! The same thing i called "Quickseller"!!! How coincidental! He couldnt even think up his own insult.




Ill say it private and ill call you out and and tell you in public! You sir are a looser and fraud!

I may have lost an account but you will have looser tattooed on your forehead for the rest of your life!

It gives me great pleasure to know that the best you can do in life is sell other peoples "bitcointalk.org" accounts.

 

Do you have any idea how the hacker was able to obtain your credentials? It would be good to share so that others may learn from it..

You've gone from trying to be the original owner to saying the account was purchased...odds are not in your favor.

There is compelling evidence to show that a hacker hacked this account, and pretended to sell it to prohibit the original owner from getting the account back.

Left negative trust.

Well, not at least it's in the open that the account was bought.

Regarding this compelling evidence... Just saying it's there doesn't convince me. You'd have to provide it. Publicly.

Of course, there's no need to convince me at all. So carry on I guess.

I don't know why people leave feedback for accounts just because they are bought /sold. It doesn't really accomplish anything in the big picture, and only serves to drive the activity underground, which leads to a lot of people getting screwed over. If people didn't leave negative feedback, people would probably be a lot more open about what accounts are being sold/bought, which would be much more beneficial over the long term than the short term benefits of a few accounts getting bad feedback.

If the "compelling evidence" is made public my feedback will be removed. So far the "buyer" of the account is being shady in my opinion. And the original owner is disputing the sale. Something is up, isn't it?

Maybe it's a bit of a vicious circle... Buying accounts is a pretty underground activity right now. So people don't trust bought accounts and leave negative feedback to warn others. In turn account buyers try to hide.
However, the circle can be broken from both sides. The buyer can take the first step and be transparent about what happened. That could breed enough trust to get the negative feedback returned.

And in this case the negative feedback might accomplish something. I know the new owner is signed up for a signature campaign. The negative feedback thing may get him kicked out of that. I hope it will give them an incentive to resolve this particular issue openly.

You must not be very smart since it is throughout the entire thread. I wish I had the time to be a try-hard mod to get some self-worth in my life. If you want to be the towns sheriff, at least know the rules of the land (which you clearly do not understand). Or simply grow up.  


Like BadBear said, I'm trying to be open about the process but if people act like crazed animals, you are only going to push this practice down further. Especially when it is within forum rules to do so. If people more spoke about it without fear, it would be a more open topic.

I have already reached out to both parties. Quickseller gave me a lot of information about the deal which makes it look like OP sold the account with the intention to try and reclaim it later. Which is fraud. I have also reached out to the OP and offered him to buy the account back for the price I paid. I just got some queer manic response, therefore he must not want his account too badly.

I'm still happy to negotiate. I think OP and Quicksellers should work together to compensate me for the BTC I paid. Otherwise I will be out of pocket for doing something that is within the forum rules.

I'll keep everyone posted and hopefully we can come to an agreement.

 

@bayuo The new owner of the zedicus account has offered to sell his account to you for the price he paid (against my recommendation). I would suggest that you do so as this is the only way you will be able to get control of what you claim to be your former account back, and have any credibility. The negative trust that you had Lucky Cris leave the account says that you are willing "to pay current user the amount he paid for the account", you also sent me the following PM (PM#2744455) I have made no edits to the PM other then to bold the part about you offering to pay what I paid for it.
Regarding the proof that you attempted to scam me. Your account was created on Aug 13, 2014.

On Aug 10, 2014 I get a PM from you (PM# 2685227)
I respond via PM (PM#2685818)
You replay via PM (PM#2685997)
My response via PM is (PM# 2686003)
None of these PMs have been altered in any way, including the timestamps. Note how they were all dated on Aug 10, 2014 (three days prior to the bayuo account being created).

Three days later, I get another PM from the zedicus account (PM# 2703358)
My response was this PM (PM# 2703503)
He replied with this PM (PM# 2704039)
I replied with this PM (PM# 2704103)
He replied by sending this PM (PM#2704128)
I replied (PM #2704282)
I altered the above PM to remove the escrow member that I suggested we use. Some time later after payment was made to escrow I receive the following PM from him (PM#2704883)
I edited this post to remove the BTC address that he provided. The escrow provider had gone offline for some time and I eventually get the following PM (PM# 2705006) - note there were other PMs sent/received in-between this, however they would likely not affect my case one way or another.
I have edited the PM to remove the name of the escrow provider that was used. He had previously told me that the escrow had changed the password but not the email address. I suspect that bayuo PMed theymos a signed message to have his email address reset very soon after he provided the credentials to the escrow and theymos was quick to reset it, however this is speculation.

Some time later I received the following PM from the escrow (PM# 2705742)
I would not have a problem if badbear (or anyone else who had access to PMs to verify the validity of the above PMs (when [redacted] and snip was used it will not match however this should be obvious).


@TF I am confident that the opposite happened.

A more accurate representation of what he was likely trying to have happen was:
1. Sell account for well under market value knowing an account buyer would likely jump at the opportunity
2. Pretend that account was hacked
3. Once the transfer of ownership of the account is complete and payment is received from escrow or the buyer PM theymos claiming account was hacked
4. theymos resets email to the previous owners email address
5. profit!

It was signed up after. Please see above PMs showing how this was part of the original agreement.

@tomatocage - please remove the negative trust. He is not trying to conduct business with the subject account (at least nothing that has been posted in public). Your trust feedback says you wold not trust him with anything because the account is purchased. I would think that you would also not trust anyone who has not publicly conducted business on the forum/btc-otc (you would probably want either use escrow or for him to go first), however you do not give any negative trust to any of them. He does not have any meaningful positive trust that would allow others to think he is trustworthy. You may or may not believe me but I have sold a lot of accounts on here and none of them have been used to scam (none of them have received negative trust trusted or untrusted or a scam accusation that I can see - yes I check periodically). Most of them are used for signature campaigns. Hero accounts are generally sought after because of the prestige they offer, people tend to respect (but not trust) people posting from a hero account. If a person is to try to scam with a purchased account then they would need to scam at least the amount they purchased the account for, but also risk that amount as if someone thinks they are trying to scam they will get legitimate negative trust and lose their investment. Your negative trust makes his trust show as red which takes away the prestige of having a hero account. I think you should remove your negative trust.

@ABitNut your negative trust says that the account is purchased and being used on a signature campaign. I really don't think this is a reason to not trust someone. A purchased account on a signature campaign is providing advertising to the person paying for him signature. A purchased account will likely add to conversations that would likely not otherwise be had because of the incentive to contribute. I do not think this is a valid reason to give negative trust. I think you should remove the trust you left zedicus.  

@TF Your negative trust says that the original owner has offered to pay the current owner the price he paid for it. As per bayuo's above post zedicus offered to sell the account back to him at the price that he paid for it. Bayuo replied with what essentially was zero interest in trying to reach an agreement. I think you should remove the negative trust.

@zedicus - having it be suspected that an account is sold, and the account admitting to it being sold are two very different things. The selling of accounts is allowed and is within the forum rules, however many people do not like it when an account is sold, they tend to think it will automatically be used to scam. As badbear said above, this mentality is bad and will do long term harm to the community. It was already established that your account was not going to be taken from you. Like I said in the PM I sent you, I would strongly recommend that you use escrow if bayuo is going to buy the account from you as I very much do not trust him.

TL;DL - bayuo PMed me 3 days prior to selling me the zedicus account. He sold it to me with the intention of having the email reset so he could steal the BTC that I paid for it. When this did not work he went public and tried to get the upper hand to force me to sell it back to him at the price I paid for it (I declined because it would mean he would lose nothing when he failed to scam successfully). Examples of trying to get an upper hand, telling people to have stunna not payout the earnings from the signature campaign, asking mods to ban the account, trying to get people to negative trust the account.

Like I said before I am fine with any mod with PM access to verify the above quoted PMs are accurate. I am also curious to know if the email was ever changed on the zedicus account prior to it being sold, or if the email was ever reset via a signed message (I think the chances of getting an answer on this are low).

Leaving feedback because of a lack of evidence isn't really a good reason. I don't trust anyone involved in this, so I stay out of it.


Except he did post his opinion on what happened, or his version of events, and since it included that the account was bought by necessity, he got negative feedback for it. Not taking sides here, I don't trust anyone involved in this. Quickseller, if he wants to be reputable should have confirmed the account wasn't stolen before buying it. Current owner of Zedicus should have confirmed this. Original owner of zedicus should have been more careful with his account. 


Except you and others gave him the feedback as soon as he did post openly. If he posts proof, it's also proof he bought the account. Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Makes it really hard to resolve these situations when people leave negative feedback for posting about it. I'm not picking on you specifically, you aren't the only one.

You are both right and reasonable. I haven't seen the new owner do anything weird yet. The "Hero" rank may give them more credibility than they earned, but I guess others will have to see through that. It's hard to tell who is lying and who is telling the truth. I have seen no evidence of an hack. I've seen no evidence of a sale either. As much as I'd like to have some conclusive evidence I'm not willing to invest time in it.

I left my feedback (which I deliberately made with the only facts that I know) as a note (for myself) that the account was sold once. I do not know another way without any negative/positive trust effect to leave a note like this. I had a secondary motive; giving new zedicus a reason to convince the community that they obtained the account in good faith before they get kicked out of their signature campaign.
I admit it's not the intended use of the trust system (and even assholish to make them risk losing their signature campaign) so I will just rely on this thread being around to provide my "note-to-self" and remove my trust on the zedicus account.

I hope account buyers will find a way to avoid these disputes in the future.

Personal experience. Every single purchased account I've ever encountered was done so for reasons that were not exactly above-board, to say the least. I'm sure there are a few cases where people use them legitimately for sig campaigns, but as a rule of thumb I do not trust purchased accounts.

Fair enough, and you're right - I'm not very smart. However, I still do not trust any purchased accounts, period; hence your negative trust. That being said, I'll remove my negative rating until the issue is sufficiently sorted out.

@Quickseller: Did the person who you negotiated a sale price with provide any sort of proof he was the actual owner? Ie. signed an address that was previously attached to the zedicus account?

Looking at all of the negative trust you have left (you have left a lot), only three mention the account being sold. The zedicus account because the account was sold is one. Goodnightcoin because he was trying to sell his account and was trying to take out multiple loans is number two. The third was a 2011 account that was trying to take out a .5 loan and you assumed it was a sold account for this reason. You also had 3-4 consecutive negative posts about people selling hacked accounts to only have the new owner regain control of the account.

All of your other negative trust was for other reasons. I think the most common reason was due to newbie+loan request, but there were a lot of "alt" of x scammer ones as well.

To relate the buying of accounts to lending (something you are involved in): if the sale of accounts was more accepted by the community, and you know how much a particular account is worth, then you can generally lend up to 1/2 of what the account is worth because they could get a lot more by selling the account vs borrowing money and running off.

See my above post. I was in contact with him over three days and no reports of the account being hacked came up. A quick review of his posts did not show him posting any BTC addresses. As per above (one of the first few posts in the thread) show him participating in a group buy however it would have been difficult to know the address was associated with the account without looking at every single thread it posted in.

The main reason that I feel like bayuo was trying to scam is because he had not posted in ~a month, then creates a new account (to recover his "hacked" account) the same day the account is sold. This would have been at least 3 days after the latest time the account could have been hacked.

And that is why you will NEVER be considered to be a mod. You are too trigger happy with your trust ratings (I agree with what Quickseller pointed out). Someone has already mentioned that the new Zedicus account has hugely increased their post count. I wonder what that could have been for (hint: signature)? Nothing in my history indicates that I am looking to scam. If anything, I've come forward to work this out with both parties. I want to get to the bottom of this as much as everyone else so I'm not sure why a bunch of people have decided to jump the gun before the truth was unveiled.

I have 1.1 BTC up in the air right now, I have as much reason as OP and Quicksellers to sort this out.

First of all thank you for blessing us with your presence! All ive asked for from the start was for a mod to look into what happened. Instead you and Theymos chose to go silent! Its Theymos's place and i wont tell him how to run his community but really?



Anyway .. Of course he is not reputable!! If Quickseller buys and sells accounts here at bitcointalk which he does, Its should be a god dam common conversation!!!!


Like this: "If you own the account you are trying to sell me. Send a signed msg from the btc address associated with the account!"   But of course he didnt do that!!




The current operator of my Zedicus account is in cahoots with Quickseller or they are one in the same person! I asked Quickseller to post proof he was in control of my account and the current operator of my Zedicus Account pm'd me on the 20th saying "You can PM via via quickseller. "














Really???? i used a 36 character password on my account!!









Definitely not! Quickseller knowingly buys and sells stolen user accounts at the minimum!!  If he was remotely a stand up guy at all he would have asked for a signed msg to prove the account was indeed being sold by the true owner of the account.  








I didnt know what PrimeDice was until my account was hacked, so the account was signed up for PD after it was stolen from me!! Thats another thing that really bothers me! I sent a signed msg to Stunna asking for help and even left a post in his thread!!  Stunna is supposedly the guy who runs PD! I got the idea to contact him from this guy "Relnarien" or another guy named "Light".



 










Like i said above, you are in cahoots with Quickseller, werent you just calling me a tard in PM and suddenly you show up talking about "I've come forward to work this out with both parties".


 the only reason you are here right now is because PRIMEDICE maybe going bye bye and you may not get ROI on a stolen user account that you have been using to spam PD in the sig!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg8739735#msg8739735

& what the fuck are you talking about "Nothing in my history indicates that I am looking to scam"


You are using my stolen account!!! You are a fraud in every sense of the word!!



Dont be mad at Tomatocage because he is calling you out! Come on Quickseller or whoever the hell you are! Show us the signed msg you have from the two btc addresses associated with my Zedicus account.


Show us fucking anything!  





 

bayou / old zedicus;

You have to admit that the scenario proposed by QuickSeller (the account was sold with the intention to gain it back through signed messages) is at least plausible. If you got hacked/cheated I understand you're sour about it at best. But some restraint would be in order. Staying calm and reasonable is more likely to lead to an acceptable resolution. Rants filled with expletives are not furthering your case. Especially since even if you were hacked QuickSeller and the eventual account buyer may still have acted in good faith.

If I understand BadBear he has no conclusive evidence for either side, and thus no basis to act upon. In my society we are guilty until proven innocent. I extend that to QuickSeller / new zedicus.

The funny thing is, you actually do care. Otherwise, you wouldn't waste your life trying to be a mod with your default trust. You put so much time into your online personality but you get no recognition. You are just another bitcointalk user who doesn't have anything else better to do with his/ her time. I hope you don't kick your cat, otherwise how else would you get your power trips? I referenced a cat because it is clear you don't have a family.

Sad.

I've already reached out to old zedicus, as you can see he does not want to work with me. He seems disorientated/ manic.

I want a solution, not scribble. All I want is my 1.1 BTC back.

First im sorry if i offended you or you took offense some how because of my choice of words. That said you are right im a bit sour that someone hacked my account, violated my privacy, put in danger people ive interacted with and then started and continues to impersonate me!!  YES!!! Im very sour about that, im a bit sour that not a single mod tried to even see what possibly happened. Im a bit sour that stunna stood by and did nothing too!


Im sorry if you think i have no reason to use expletives because i disagree!

and in society they say: "if everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking!"


So its ok to disagree! That said there is no way Quickseller acted in good faith. Signing messages is what we have to identify ourselves and like i said since Quickseller is someone who routinely sells user accounts, it should be a very common conversation for him to have.

Like asking for ownership papers when you buy a car. Anyway i appreciate your input as thats why i posted this but  Remember the very first thing i said was "Account Hacked Help" "Plz"!  









You better go find Stunna and tell him you will work extra hard this week..(laughs) Then go come up with some more nonsense to fill bitcointalk with. Whats wrong you dont like my account anymore? Campaign got your tongue?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg8739735#msg8739735



What happened to all that proof you were gonna show us? 
 

Simply go to page 4 and see what evidence Quickseller presented. Here are my reasons why I think you are a scammer.

- You claim that your password was 36 characters, I don't think too many people would try that hard bruteforcing an account from last year. 36 characters would take a VERY long time. If your computer was hacked, why would the hacker target one of your forum accounts and leave EVERYTHING else on your computer. Unless you are going to come up with a story now that includes malicious files being detected on your computer?

- You haven't been willing at all to work with me. You just keep posting big childish letters everywhere and having a tantrum. If you are genuine about getting your account back, I suggest you start acting like it.

I bet you thought it would have been incredibly easy to pull this off. You must be pretty pissed off right now since your scam hasn't paid off. Although kudos for getting some forum members believing your story.

Like I said. If you want your account, show me that you are genuine.

You are absolutely wasting your time if you think im going to give you btc Quickseller! The only way im giving any btc in this situation would be to donate some btc to bitcointalk in hopes of swaying Theymos for a rule change.

Then he could permanently disable my zedicus account. 

I think that would make it crystal who the scammer is?

Sorry to tell but donating BTC will not make Theymos to change any rules. For changing rules, post in 'Meta' board and get maximum supporters for the rule but still the chances are less. If Theymos think the rule isn't good enough, he will not apply it. Anyway, you can give it a try. I saw people posting that you sold your account for BTC. Is it true? Just want to know.

  ~~MZ~~

The only thing I cared about is my real account. This account was created specifically to talk smack and get in flame wars ;D But now you're just steering this thread off topic intentionally. Wonder why that could be...

Of course not. I speculate that Quickseller may be running a hacked account laundering campaign, and the current controller of Zedicus is either an innocent victim or the hacker (or connected with the hacker).

Just letting everyone know that I am requesting a refund from Quickseller as he has breached the conditions of the sale. It will be up to him with what he does with the account. I don't care who is lying, I just want my money back. 

I'll keep everyone updated.

Thanks for the info. Can I ask you something? Did you buy this account? I think you bought the account with 1.1BTC, he told you are a hacker and he want's the account. Now you are asking 1.1BTC back and you will give his account back. This is what happening here? ??? I am confused. :-[ Or what I said above was totally bullshit?

  ~~MZ~~

He said he bought it, and was probably told that Quickseller was an intermediary. He bought this for signature campaign, and has already earned at least 0.2 BTC.

Account trading should be banned. If I see a Hero or Legendary member posting I assume it has some weight. It won't be if I am thinking this may have been some scammer buying accounts.

Don't assume that then. Even if account selling was banned it would still go on but behind the scenes and just push the business of doing it even further underground, and it's for this reason that it's allowed so people know it goes on and can be weary. Don't just blindly trust people because they are a certain rank or have a little bit of feedback.

Thats a very poor excuse. Just make it easy to retrieve account. If that happens then account trading won't happen as buyers will be wary of their accounts getting repossessed.

No it's not. You can't stop people selling accounts just as you can't stop people from scamming. It's also already easy to retrieve accounts and there's nothing to stop people from selling an account and then trying to get it back as we can see from this exact thread.

Why hasn't it retrieved yet in this case, then?

If you ban this and strictly return accounts once they are proven selling will mostly stop. You're providing protection to the buyer which makes it possible in the first place.

It wont stop just because you say it will. Theymos probably has better things to do than deal with the fuss of returning accounts and can be quite lax on returning them, not to mention this situation isn't as easy as giving the original owner their account back because it looks like it quite possibly shouldn't be returned to him. Whether account selling is or isn't allowed it won't stop and situations like this will always happen. 2-factor is desperately needed though and hopefully that will cut most hackings down when it arrives with the new forum.

If account trading was banned the situation would have been easy. You see the difference?

If a buyer knew that the seller can easily get it back, the market will reduce. That will decrease hacking too. You are going about handling the problem the wrong way.

Buyers should already be aware that accounts can be retrieved and if they're not then it's their own problem. I'm not going about it the wrong way, I'm going by about how the policy is here. If you want to change the forum's policy on account selling start a thread or petition theymos about it and make your case, but it's been attempted many times before and theymos and the other staff have given roughly the same answers as I'm giving you now.

Even if a post of selling/buying account isn't there, that doesn't mean buying and selling isn't done, they can always contact through PM or any other forum or any Social Messenger.


Banning of account trading is futile. A script for that can't be made, I can assure you. Only way to do that, is making Geo-locking, i.e, preventing a user from entering the account from another place other than place from where he registered. Making that option is definitely a huge disadvantage. ::)


Both theymos and BadBear haven't got enough proof retrieval of the account. theymos has already told that he wouldn't respond to any of the PM from the person who fails to provide the proof in the first PM. So I think, theymos is avoiding bayuo's PMs as he couldn't give the proof. AND, how is hilariousandco protecting the buyer? He is telling it is easy to retrieve accounts, that means seller has more advantage AND you're telling 'providing protection to the buyer'? ??? :) . I believe you understand why this Buy/Sell account can't be banned. :)

  ~~MZ~~

It may seem easier to implement such a thing like banning account trading but it isn't. There are many problems behind it. And if the trading was done in a secret way, how can theymos know the account has been traded? Looking the way he/she writes? It isn't a good proof although we can tell the account has been traded. Every buyer knows it can be retrieved. But theymos mostly avoid retrieval of account which has been traded.

  ~~MZ~~

Bingo. Now he's trying to play it off like the OP is running a scam. Hey Quickseller, why don't you log into your previous account anymore? Is it because it has negative trust?

You are "Quickseller"!!! & You are the only one lying! 

 I asked Quickseller to prove he controlled my Zedicus Account and on the 20th i got a PM from YOU via the Zedicus account telling me to pm you "via your Quickseller account"!! I got the pm and the mods can confirm it. You are a liar and a fraud in every sense of the word!






He is not an innocent victim! Its "Quickseller" himself!!  Quickseller "IS" running a hacked account laundering campaign!!








Themyos puts his pants on one leg at a time, If we put enough btc in front of him not only will he change the rules but he will do it with a smile on his face.

http://www.thewire.com/technology/2014/09/how-to-check-if-you-were-exposed-by-todays-5-million-password-leak/379960/

I forgot who said this but allowing accounts to be sold "indirectly condones scamming... actually it facilitates it"!

How long till Satoshis account here gets hacked .. or some other prominent member of this community!


The first thing that will happen if Satoshi's accounts gets hacked is we will demand a signed msg from satoshi to prove its him right!?

And if the account gets hacked and sold, The first thing we are going to ask the buyer of the stolen account is did you ask for a signed msg to prove it was satoshi you were talking to when you bought his account!! RIGHT???





 








You are a liar and a thief and if you were anything otherwise you would have asked the person who sold you my account for a signed msg from my btc address!!! When he couldnt provide one you would have known instantly it was not me and the account was hacked!

At this point im not sure if you are the actual thief who stole/hacked my account as well, But for sure you are the person controlling my Zedicus account and you are Quickseller as well!! That I know!!!
 
 You are unwillingly transparent and you have been outted and called out!

 




 






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To: light, Coinhoarder, Relnarien, Somekindabitcoin, MakeBelieve, pazor_true, Lucky Cris, Muhammed Zakir, ABitNut, peligro, moreia, $username, and last but definitely not least Tomatocage!!


Thank you so much for your participation in this thread! All i ever wanted was mods or anyone to look at the situation objectively and whether or not i agreed with any of you, your participation has been monumental in exposing Quickseller who is indeed controlling my "Zedicus" account and is without a shadow of a doubt a scammer,  a liar, a con and a possible thief as well!!

The only person i knew in this thread before this fiasco was Coinhoarder since we did a 14btc transaction on a group buy but the rest of you who took it upon yourself to leave negative feedback and stand up for what you think is right, i will be forever in debt! I asked nothing but for someone to hear my story and you guys responded in unbelievable fashion!



Some of you like "Relnarien" & "Light" who took one look at my "Zedicus" account history and knew immediately what was up .. Thanks so much for your effort! Tho Stunna didnt repsond, your efforts will not be forgotten!!!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741302.msg8378994#msg8378994

Sorry bayuo, I'm allergic to dumb people and your massive 3 year old tantrum just makes you look stupid. I've reached out to reason with you and you just spit out filth. Next time, try to engage someone in a normal manner instead of your weird manic spins. It's funny how much of a fuss you made out this to be but when you have the opportunity to get your account back, you act like a retard. Only wanting to pay admin for your account and not the actual owner of it. Makes sense. All I know is that you fucked up bad.

If badbear/ theymos would like proof or transaction records, I would happily be able to provide them to show that I am not Quickseller. They will be able to see my negotiations with Quickseller including the 1.1 BTC transaction for what I spent on this account on the blockchain.

From now on, I will only be dealing with Quickseller to get my BTC back. 

when i lost my hero account, the first thing that i have done was to send a signed message to a mod (in my case phantastisch) and ask for freeze/lookup my lost account. so i try to prevent more damage and scam do it by the hacker.
i advise you to make it as soon as possible.

also i try to prove my legit property providing a old post in the forum that i have wrote and there was an btc address controlled by me to sign the messages with that address.

as i metioned in my first post above, you lost your account for ever and now try to reduce the damage.

regards
pazor

As you were aware prior to buying the account, and as I have told you numerous times I am not going to give you a refund. If you want to sell the account that is your choice, and if you choose to do so I would recommend creating a new account to do so and to not reveal specific information about the account until they have paid escrow.

There is evidence that would suggest that bayuo did in fact sell his account and is now fraudulently trying to retrieve it. I am not 100% sure as to the criteria that was used to make that conclusion, however the conclusion is accurate.

There is no evidence to support this. If this was true then why are there not more accusations of accounts being hacked?

I also find it ironic that you support the notion that the OP's account was hacked even though there is evidence to the contrary. Seems a little fishy to me. This post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741302.msg8738615#msg8738615) provides evidence to the contrary. Why would the account be hacked for three days, then bayuo only create his account the day it was sold?

See this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741302.msg8738615#msg8738615). It shows how I concluded that you were in control and were the owner of the account prior to purchase.

Also please stop with the big fonts, it is extremely annoying. I personally consider this SPAM (although it is not against any of the forum rules AFAIK).

Also please understand that whining on here is not going to get your account back - period. If you want the account that you sold to me back then you can work with zedicus to make this happen. It is out of my hands and I no longer have anything to do with this account. You can think what you want about me still having ownership of it, but IDC and that is what you can do.

QuickSeller, you're either a moron or the hacker of the account. Your 'evidence' is absolutely worthless.

The hacker could've not changed the password on Zedicus until it is sold, and could have changed the email to prevent PM email notifications. Then bayuo could log in, post, and do everything perfectly fine until the day the account is sold - he would've only been alerted that someone hacked his account by then.

Is it strange that he posted about his account being hacked the day he discovered it was hacked?

This is blatantly obvious. The fact that you are not mentioning this makes me believe you are the person who hacked the account, or working together with the account hacker.

You missed the point completely. IF trading accounts is not allowed in forum policy, then buyers would know that sellers can take back the account at will, and that will drastically reduce trading and hacking.

In this particular case bayuo can't get back his original account as Theymos is not sure if it was indeed sold or not. If policy was that trading is not allowed then the decision would have been easy.

Thats the only thing im not sure of. Im not sure if Quickseller was the guy who actually did the deed. In other words im not sure if he is the theif as well but Im sure he is a liar and a con and im sure he is the one controlling my Zedicus account.



 Points and laughs.. Did you really think i was going to give you some btc you moron! I would rather give Theymos 10btc before i give you a red cent. Now tuck your tail between your legs and go crawl back to whatever hole you crawled out of!
 

Here is where you lose credibility. Logic would dictate that you either think that I am the one who hacked your account (or someone associated with someone that hacked your account) and a liar and a con or you could think that I bought your account from someone and is essentially caught in the middle of all this. It would be illogical to have doubts that I hacked your account but still am a liar and a con.

Additionally if you have any idea as to who had "hacked" your account then your beef would be with that person, not with me, nor the person who bought it from me.

The most likely scenario is that you actually did not have your account hacked at all.

@TF that kind of logic is not the logic used in the US court system and the logic does nothing to prove guilt. You are saying that because I presented evidence that points to my innocence but does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that I am innocent that I am therefore guilty.  

Again, loosing credibility. You previously said that you would be willing to pay me what was paid for the account, but now you say that you will not pay anything. You also had people leave trust saying that you are willing to pay me what was paid for the account. If you were lying about that then who is to say that you are not lying about having your account hacked?

Also you are doubting that I was the one who "hacked" your account but you somehow expect me to give it back to you for free. I am pretty sure I am not the only one who sees the disconnect here.

Also you are doubting the way that TF suggested the account was stolen and how to account for the PMs three days before the account was sold to me. If you have an idea as to how the account was hacked then you would have had the opportunity to stop it.

Like I said above the most likely explanation is that you did not have your account hacked, but rather sold the account to me at below market value with the intention of stealing it back from me later.

Theymos didn't recover because he didn't get enough evidence. Why there is no such policy is because we can't know whether it is traded or not. Seller can always come with a new account and sign from his BTC address and tell I was using it. It will always became a problem. Theymos told that if he didn't get enough proof on the first message he avoid users future message too. So he might have avoided bayou. The better thing to do here is to freeze the account. Giving back to real zedicus, he might sell the account to another person.

  ~~MZ~~

It seems rather simple;

Hacker gained access to OP's account.

Hacker cleansed account of BTC address posts / changed email / password.

Hacker contacted Quickseller and acted as though he was OP.

Quickseller thought he was dealing with OP.

Quickseller sold account to other person.


If it were me that was making the decision, OP would get his account back. Quickseller refunds the buyer his amount. Quickseller takes a loss on the account. Quickseller should verify account ownership better.

[quote author=Quickseller link=topic=741302.msg8812270#msg8812270 date=1410674601Like I said above the most likely explanation is that you did not have your account hacked, but rather sold the account to me at below market value with the intention of stealing it back from me later.
[/quote]

Only a hacker would want to sell an account below market value to complete the transaction fast. If bayou intended to scam you and claim it was hacked, he has time to spare. The hacker doesn't.

Badbear and hillarious are saying its because there is a chance that he might have sold it. If it was not according to rules then he would have got it back regardless of whether he sold or not. At least it would have been disabled.

Quicksellers is no longer responding. I really don't care who is right between bayuo or quicksellers, all I know is that I want my money back. I don't want to be involved in this.

What would be the proper process? Start a scam accusation thread? I know quicksellers has a few accounts so I will list them all for us to zap with negative rep.

You could open a scam accusation if you want, but have you actually been scammed? You got the account you paid for, right? And how do you know what other accounts he has? If you do post them please provide evidence so people don't neg-rep somebody elses ones. Those could end up in the same or similar position to you are now.

At this point i would be more than happy if the mods just froze my Zedicus Account! Permanently!

Quickseller buys and sells accounts here at bitcointalk! It should be an everyday conversation to ASK for a signed message to prove account ownership before he purchases it. Like when you buy a car !!

NO "TITLE" or PINK SLIP! THEN THE CAR IS MOST LIKELY STOLEN!!

Whatever Quickseller regurgitates out his mouth is nonsense because he cant get past that fact!!


He is without a shadow of a doubt a lair and a cheat!


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From the day i started this thread the controller of the Zedicus account has been a lil girl about being transparent and even threatened that if i went public with the PM that confirmed he was QUICKSELLER he would no longer be open to negotiations!


Quickseller is controlling my Zedicus or they are very much working in concert so im not buying the "i want my money back" theatrical show the Zedicus account is putting on!
 
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The only person in this thread i knew before this event was Coinhoarder as we didnt a 14BTC transaction last year..
 
I have not contacted anyone via PM to ask them to leave Negative trust remarks but to everyone who did so after reading this thread!! You farking Rock!!! :)


Coinhoarder said it the best!!

He bought that account to earn money from signatures. With primedice closing he would like his money back. He has stopped posting too.

PD closing is irrelevant and that's his problem, but there are and will be other new campaigns available.

The issue is that this account has been tainted with negative rep and it was revealed by Quickseller to the public that this account has been purchased (breaching the agreement). Furthermore, if bayuo is telling the truth (although I doubt he is), Quickseller further breached the agreement by telling me this was not a hacked account. He assured me that it would be problem-free.

I wanted this account for signature advertising. With the amount of negative rep it is receiving, it is making it worthless.

I understand that but that's something you're going to have to try work out with Quickseller and bayou though obviously that is difficult and probably futile now. Luckily for you none of that negative feedback is from people on the trusted list but that could change in the future.

I think you should ask for a refund by threatening the account seller that you will publish his to-be-sold accounts and they could be worth nothing then.

Other than that, I don't see how you could have pushed him to pay you back...

How would he even know whats his other to be sold accounts are. He asked for a Hero Member account, he got one a paid for it.

Maybe Quickseller offered him a few more accounts after the trade, or maybe Quickseller gave him a few accounts to choose from?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2hne0g/useraccounts_bitcointalkorg_not_like_other/

SMH - at this point I would speculate that bayuo was likely behind the article about the selling of accounts, and was behind the thread in meta with the dramatic title something along the lines of people buying up accounts to spread propaganda

Interestingly, it seems to be easier to get theymos' attention on reddit than on bitcointalk lol.

Two main points from theymos' post there:
1. theymos knew the existence of this thread, and chose to not to deal with the recovery request as the case is uncertain.
2. theymos handles a few account recoveries each month only, and many requests get ignored.

BadBear had previously dealt with this thread. I don't see any reason why both BadBear and theymos would need to address this thread. They have the same "mod ranking" so what BadBear says should be just as good as something that Theymos says
I would suggest that there is more evidence that the original owner sold then account then there is evidence that the account was not sold. If there was only a small amount of evidence the account was hacked then the account would likely have been recovered (especially considering how good bayuo is at getting attention). He also said that the reason most accounts are hacked/lost is because of "user error". There was recently an "attack" when several phishing PMs were sent in which a link to a "post" was sent with the bitcointalk.org domain but with one of the "i"'s being replaced with a "l". There have been several reports of accounts being hacked since this "attack" and it appears that few/none of these were actually returned. (I would also not be surprised if bayuo was behind this attack in an attempt to either recover his old account or to wreck additional havoc on the forum, or to create additional attention towards the lack of the ability to get accounts recovered - although this is speculation - I reach this conclusion because of bayuo's apparent lack of morals, as he has reneged on his work at least once [when he offered to buy back the account at the purchase price and then backed out] and the evidence that he did in fact sell his account and is now trying to recover it). I would be curious if the zedicus account received a PM from this attack

EDIT: One example of how bayuo is able to get a lot of attention is the fact that this thread has received more views then the sticky thread about how to recover hacked/forgotten password accounts

New Zedicus has been last active 10 days back. We can assume that the issue is resolved.

Paid 1.1 BTC for the account, and earned 0.2 BTC from Primedice. That leaves him 0.9 BTC in the red.

He earned 0.8 BTC in Primedice campaign not 0.2 BTC.

I don't think it is safe to assume that, as he did take some breaks in the past. He didn't make any posts from Aug 25 to Sept 4, and also from Sept 11 to Sept 18.

So he almost made it back. Now that Primedice is gone, getting a part of 1.1 BTC means he will make a nice profit.
I thought he got just 1 payment from Primedice worth almost 0.19 BTC.

No deal was made and no BTC was received from PD. Quickseller received that BTC as he has been farming a few accounts.

I've been doing my research to start a scam accusation thread. I've identified around 3-4 alt accounts and I have been speaking with people who have trust. I plan to fry his whole business.

You received at least 0.1932 BTC from PD.

If the current owner of the account zedicus is telling the truth, it could be indicating the account was still controlled by Quickseller at least until August 19.

For the alt accounts, how are you going to prove they are controlled by Quickseller? Will Badbear check the PM logs or IP data for that matter?

Yes.

Don't be content losing a ******* Hero account.

Are flipping kidding me.. You have a lot of nerve trying to ruin someones good name! You already stole my account and now you are claiming im some sort of hacker.. You are a pathetic individual! You are a liar and a con and there is nothing you can do to change that. Just because i cant prove that the person who was controlling my account when it got sold wasnt me doesnt change the fact that my account was hacked/stolen and that YOU bought it without asking for proof of ownership!! --->> Similar to buying a car with no title.  You have no response for that so the best you can do is name calling. Today im a hacker tomorrow im a evil superhero, astronaut the next day?











After asking Quickseller to prove he controlled my Zedicus account... Quickseller PM'd me on Aug "20" using the "Zedicus" account (August 20, 2014, 03:45:55 PM) I have that PM to prove it.

Thats what lead me to believe they are either one in the same person or they were in cahoots and working together.
But lets just say for the for the sake of conversation they are different people...


 


   In terms of being a liar!!!!  From day one the controller of the zedicus account has been lying!!


Let me Jog everyone's memory... On Aug 16 when i made this thread. The person operating my zedicus account pretended like he was the original owner and said that i was a scammer trying to steal his account! Remember that!  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741302.msg8376811#msg8376811
https://i.imgur.com/O5Q1Oo5.jpg





Then on September 8th  Tomatoecage caught him in lying!!! So for 12 days he pretended to be me until this moment. Then he suddenly said he purchased the account!! I think he was to stupid to realize he fucked up!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741302.msg8734620#msg8734620
https://i.imgur.com/rKOrZuJ.jpg


Tomatocage called him out for the liar that he is!!
( "Thanks for telling us the account was purchased" )

Its also the reason the controller of the Zedicus account got into it with Tomatoecage!! He called him out on his lie and he realized he had been made a fool of.




Thats when he started changing his tune ... that was also around the time when STUNNA's PD campaign was ending.

He then drops a mind blowing confession, that he **actually dialoged** with Quickseller about the validity of his claims to owning the account!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741302.msg8887615#msg8887615
https://i.imgur.com/XqciHvr.jpg



In that post he says:




What!!? It was the Zedicus account who revealed to the public the account was purchased!! TomatoeCage called you out on it on the spot!!!!

Then he drops this dooosy!



Really!!! He assured you!!! You actually had that conversation with him!!! So you asked him to prove he owned the account right??????????! You asked him for a signed msg from the previous owner and Quickseller assured you "it will be problem free"??????

So its like you purchased a car without a title ... knowing the account was stolen! Even after the guy selling you the account says he has no title!! NO signed msg!!!

YOU STILL BOUGHT IT!!

You knowingly bought a stolen account and now you are claiming to have been ripped off.

I call  BULLS***!!  You knew the account was stolen, YOU admitted to actually having the conversation with the con man himself ( Quickseller)



So the current operator of the Zedicus is a liar in every sense of the word!

**He lied** when he claimed he was me (original owner) Aug 16
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741302.msg8376811#msg8376811
https://i.imgur.com/O5Q1Oo5.jpg


**He lied** about the account being purchased until TomatoeCage Called him out!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741302.msg8734620#msg8734620
https://i.imgur.com/rKOrZuJ.jpg



**He lied** about being a victim when he knowingly bought a stolen account.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741302.msg8887615#msg8887615
https://i.imgur.com/XqciHvr.jpg





If im making any of this up please feel free to call me out on it but you cant because you are a liar and **Its your own words im quoting**!!  

So In terms of telling the truth. The current operator of the Zedicus account is a liar straight up!







Now in terms of Quickseller. Its obvious from not only my perspective but from the perspective of other members who have read this thread that Quickseller is the thief himself or was working in concert with whoever stole my account.


Whoever sold my account to Quickseller impersonated me and i cant prove it wasnt me! All that would have been required from Quickseller was to ask for a **signed msg**! Thats it! All of this would have been avoided but instead he too **"chose"** to purchase a STOLEN account knowingly just like the current operator of my zedicus account **"chose"** to purchase the said STOLEN account from Quickseller!!

 
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The only person who didnt have a **choice** was me! I just lost access to my account and came to meta asking for help and i was accused of selling my own account.  
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When i posted on reddit it was to ask the community (r/bitcoin) why it would be ok to sell user accounts?.. I felt as if i had done everything correctly and i was put in a situation where i couldnt prove my innocence because i was being impersonated! I didnt think for one second that **Theymos would actually reply** and to my surprise he did!



**He replied:**  
It's clear that the OP owned the account at one point. But there's a decent chance that the current owner bought the account from the original owner. Since the case is uncertain, **I'm erring on the side of inaction for now.**


**Theymos also said:**
To my knowledge, there has only ever been one account stolen due to a flaw in the forum itself





**Unique situation?**

At the end of the day its Theymos's community and its up to him to decide how he wants to run the place but to claim there has been no account stolen due to a flaw in the forum is just not being fair to people like myself whos accounts have been stolen from them without repercussion. Im not sure if my situation is unique or if there are others who have lost their accounts in this way but for sure **its a flaw in the forum** whether Theymos wants to admit to it or not is another thing altogether.

In that regard we can agree to disagree.  





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One thing for sure.. a couple people have been dead on the mark and their perspective lets me know that im not going crazy and that i am getting through to not only the mods but everyone reading this thread too!  
 
I was re-reading this thread and it seems $username has been calling it how he sees it the whole time! He has been money and i will use him and another member as an example to show that im not coming out of left field when i say there is a huge flaw in the forum and i have been taken advantage of because of it.


There is no 2factor, no email verification when a users email is changed .. nothing. That in combination with the allowing of accounts to be bought and sold ( WITHOUT A SIGNED MSG FROM PREVIOUS OWNER) i believe creates and environment perfect for the manipulation of the flaw.





**Daylight!!:**

Now where i see some daylight is in the response that Theymos gave as to why user accounts are ok to be bought and sold at bitcointalk.org.

I thought he was about to say something of substance or maybe something ideology based like some libertarian yada yada but what he replied with let me know there maybe a chance we can convince him to change his mind so that this forum flaw can't be used to steal other peoples accounts.



Here's Theymos's reply as to why accounts are ok to sell here: ( you decide if he is approachable for change )

"While I find the idea of selling accounts to be distasteful, I suppose it's a good thing for people to be able to get some money for their previous high-quality forum contributions if they no longer value the account. I've had people ask me whether they could sell their accounts because they desperately need the money, and I really don't want to say no to such requests."

(end quote)



Ill sum up this post by saying i haven't told a single lie during this whole ordeal and ive been put in a position where i cant defend myself because i was being impersonated. But the two other people who were involved ( the current operator of the Zedicus account and Quickseller) have not been telling the truth since day 1 and i have proved so in "their" own words!




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These post below were made by onlookers $username and bluefirecorp and they lead me to believe that not only have i not been coming out of left field but what im saying is actually getting through. One of the reasons Themos said he was opting for inaction was because of the length of this thread and that alot of investigation was needed but some of these replies came on page 2-3 of this thread. I dont think my perspective was exclusive to me and i believe the Theymos considered it tho he opted to not participate in the dialog until the latter end of the ordeal.


That said these posts make it clear there is a forum flaw!!! I dont think Theymos is unreasonable, and i think if we give him reason enough he will do whats right to protect the users of his forum! But as it stands he believes "there has only ever been one account stolen due to a flaw in the forum itself"!! That is where we disagree. Assuming he wasnt talking about my zedicus account.




By the way.. **A big thanks to STUNNA from PrimeDice** who reached out multiple times on reddit and apologized for not being able to assess the matter and take action! As i told him on reddit .. its not his fault someone was using his service maliciously!  

The PrimeDice campaign is done and he could have just just ignored my posts altogether but instead he "chose" to reach out and apologize and that meant the world to me. Thanks for that STUNNA!

 








Perspective posts from bitcointalk members in this thread!














 
DING DING DING!!!

What happened next bayou? I saw that this account Zedicus was last active October 13th, 2014. It still is in suspense or you got your case resolved?

Sorry to report.. My case has not been resolved and it looks like my account has permanently been stolen.

...and this suprises you ?

So it ends as a lose-lose situation. bayuo doesn't get the account back, while the current owner of the zedicus account is blamed and becomes inactive.

I'm still here. Just no progress was being made so I can't be bothered logging in. I just want a refund from quicksellers. Any suggestions on what to do?

Just posting here to let you know I'm in a similar boat so this is no means an isolated case. My account got hacked which could have been prevented had email confirmation been enabled on this forum to begin with. The only difference is no one has stepped up to dispute my claim to my account yet. Unfortunately, I haven't received so much as a peep from theymos and I've been sending him weekly PM's since Sept. in the required signed format outlined.

Frankly, I don't understand how a forum so lax in security can be used to conduct any serious business or money related matters -- this is just ludicrous. Your forum password is the only line of defense and should that be compromised -- whether your fault or not -- then it's basically game over. There's no other recourse then to keep PM'ing forum admin until they respond.

If it were up to me, this is clearly an open-and-shut case: you provided a signed message proving ownship of said account -- the current person in control of your account cannot provide a signed message proving he bought the account legitimately. Ergo, account access should be restored back to you.

There are several problems with this.

First it would make it extremely easy to scam account buyers who do not think to ask for a signed message and would make any buyer vulnerable to having their account taken back in the event they lose such signed message. It overwhelmingly appears that the OP is almost certainly trying to scam the person that he sold his account to. The OP proved his account ownership by signing a message contained in an other person's post (but not his own) so anyone buying his account would likely not be able to easily find such address to request such signed message.

You need to remember that the person who is in control of the account at one point somehow controlled the password so the burden should be on the person claiming ownership not on the person who controls the account presently. Being as liberal as you are suggesting for account recoveries would encourage both the kind of scamming that the OP is attempting and would encourage people to be reckless with their account passwords. If you are reckless with your private key then the miners are not going to reverse a transaction back to an address that you control. There is no reason why forum accounts should be significantly different.

As I mentioned above, theymos has said that most accounts are "hacked" due to user error; if the administrators were to be as liberal with account recoveries as you are suggesting then theymos would be overwhelmed with requests for account recoveries and this would take his time away for more important work.

Good, let them be scammed. The only reason account trading is allowed is because they can't be stopped. If the rules favour original owners then account trading will reduce drastically.

Go to the Digital Goods section, you will find a few newbie sellers selling a lot of accounts. Why are they hiding? Simple as they know they can sell and leave leaving the buyer stranded. If the accounts are reset to original owners then the buyers will go away.

You're chalking up account buyers as morons that don't know what they're doing. If someone's buying a BCT account, they're likely not a newbie to the community. Even if they did not think to ask for such proof, that can easily be solved with a public service announcement. If the buyer still chooses to go forward with the account purchase without some kind of signed message as a receipt, then it is their risk to take.


And what kind of proof would the OP have to present to satisfy that burden? What would it look like? What form would it take?


Of course, that is just your hypothesis. My guess is that with a more clearly well-defined recovery procedure it would allow theymos to restore more accounts back to their legitimate owners. Of course there's no way to know for sure without trying. And why favor account buyers at all? Theymos himself said he doesn't condone the activity anyway so worrying about account buyers getting scammed is a moot point.

Couple this with email confirmation on changes to vital account detail, like you read from my other post, that will cull out the majority of the account request to start with.

I would say many buyers are new to the community/to bitcoin and want to buy their way into features of higher level accounts. This is why you will often see senior and hero accounts asking newbie questions.

Just because you don't have the receipt for something does not mean that what you have in your possession is stolen. All that it means is that you do not have documentation of the transaction.
I am not sure. Most likely nothing. It has been said before that the majority of the time, the reason an account is hacked is because the owner was being careless (this is not something you addressed) so I don't see any reason why carelessness should be rewarded. Any criteria that is set in stone would be exploitable by potential scammers.

IMO the only time it would be appropriate to reset a password is in the case of forgotten passwords when the account in question has not been logged into recently and it is apparent that no one has control of the account.
The forum does not look highly upon scammers, they only do not moderate scams. There have been a few examples where the mods have outed the alts of scammers after it has been proven they have scammed. The current policy favors the person who is in control of the account. The fact they are in control of the account means that they somehow gained access to the password at one point. If the forum were to be as liberal about giving access back to old owners then it would be enabling scams.
Email confirmation will not work as the forum does not require email confirmation therefore it is not certain that the email the forum has is a real email address and if it is not it would be impossible to change your password in the event it is compromised and people would be able to scam in your name if your password is compromised.

Sorry to hear about your expierience man, that sucks. Thats the part that pisses me off too. For some reason from our viewpoint its crystal clear a simple email confirmation could have prevented the whole thing. Im a lil tired of spelling it out eli5 style for people like Willisius so i wont even bother.

At the least in your case you brought him down with you. The zedicus account is abandoned now. Last time he was threatening to expose accounts but have quietened but thats it.

Him threatening to expose Quicksellers accounts was a farce.. The person controlling the Zedicus account is Quickseller. They are one in the same person or they are working in cahoots with one another hence the initial public threat with nane follow through.   

 


 

Bayuo and Quickseller can sort this out. I don't want to be involved and I want my money back.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=884261

Will you give the ownership of your account back to Bayuo if you get a refund from Quickseller? Also, if he agrees to give you a refund, I would advice you to go through an escrow to make it publicly visible that everything's going under a genuine way...

If I get a refund, it will be in Quickseller's possession. It will be up to him. And I will definitely use escrow.

I am not sure why you are trying to label me as such a scammer. If I was going to scam you then I would not have given you anything after you sent me 1.1 BTC for your account without escrow (assuming you are the same person that purchased the account from me).

You appear to be making good on your threat on trying to ruin my business if I did not pay you 1.1 BTC that you are not due.

Before i even look at that thread just answer me this one question?

On aug 20 i asked quickseller to prove he was in control of my account .. I then got a PM from YOU via my Zedicus account asking me to pm you via the Quickseller account!  Why would you do that? Clearly it has lead me to believe you and Quickseller are in cahoots or one in the same person! Why would you do that??  



Before you answer, the first post you made in this thread was a lie! You claimed it was a new low for scammers and someone was trying to steal your account! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741302.msg8376811#msg8376811


Then after 23 days of lying you suddenly changed your tune and Tomoatoecage called you out on it!! ( Tomatoecage replied "thanks for letting us know the account was purchased")
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741302.msg8734620#msg8734620




Then you lied about being the victim when clearly you actually had the conversation with Quickseller regarding the validity of the account he claimed was his without a signed msg from the original owner! --> ME
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741302.msg8887615#msg8887615


If he promised you it was all good and there was nothing to worry about ...you definitely had that talk. You asked him for proof of ownership and with nothing but an empty promise in lieu of a signed msg you agreed to purchase the account. ( You had a choice )


Why would you lie. Instead of claiming i was a scammer, why wasnt your first post in this thread a simple statement saying you purchased the account from Quickseller? Why Lie?

Why when i asked Quickseller to prove he was in control of my account .. YOU replied in pm via the Zedicus account asking me to pm you via Quickseller?

Why would you do that? If it was you wouldnt that lead you to believe you were dealing with the same person?

Why would you do that?

Now im supposed to go read this thread you started where you are claiming victim??

Explain why YOU lied! Explain why you replied in PM when i asked Quickseller to prove he was in control of my account. You replied and asked me to pm you via the Quickseller account!



There are plenty of honest and stand up people at bitcointalk  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581411.80


I dont think you are one of those people .. not even remotely!! But lets just say for the sake of argument that you were genuinely ripped off by Quickseller (ignoring the fact that you actually knew the account was stolen)

 why would you lie!? You have been lying since the first post you made in this thread! Why lie!?  








Clearly im being sarcastic ..but lets say you were victimized by Quickseller and you "now" realize he lied about being the account owner or he lied about having obtained the account legitimately when he sold you the account.


You are saying that if he gave you a refund you would return the account to him! "the guy who ripped you off "?.. The guy who stole the account of another hero member here at bitcointalk!? You would return the stolen account to the thief when the original owner has been in front of your face the whole time screaming about being victimized by Quickseller?



My god..  What am i missing here!


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Its like Quickseller pulls up in a car with a screwdriver in the ignition and you buy it from him.. Then you come back months later to say you got ripped off and you want your money back because well you know, the screwdriver... and if you get your money back you want to give him back the stolen car tho the owner of the car is your neighbor and a member of your community.

Im not picaso but thats what the picture looks like to me.


 
Expect me in your thread sooner then later.. i gotta get back to work so i may not chime in today but ... If you care to elaborate on why you chose to lie and why when i asked Quickseller to prove he was in control of my account YOU replied via pm using the Zedicus account asking me to pm you via Quickseller!!!!??

 
 
 

Quickseller should just refund the account buyer using escrow and the new owner should give the account back to original owner. Then all parties would be happy.

I think the real owner will have to pay Quickseller to make the trade. ::)

   ~~MZ~~

FIFY

I think that is more realistic then to expect me to pay the new owner of zedicus so a scammer can have his account that he sold me back. Either way whatever happens is between the person who now owns zedicus and bayuo, if they want to make a deal they can do so themselves (hopefully involving escrow). I plan on staying out of it

Wow!!!
This was a very interesting read. 8)

Very interesting read was this ever resolved

Nope, It has not been resolved yet. This issue remains open.

And dead. I don't think both the buyer and seller needs the account or BTC anymore, I am sure that they have bought a new account and got the ROI or they just left silently.

   -MZ

Im neither the seller or the buyer but im the one who started this thread and im still here! 







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Just thought i would leave this here. I took this snapshot from scam accusations!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=884261.20

The current operator of the zedicus account said something important in that thread.
He said that Quickseller posted in the hacked account thread i made before the account was sold!



https://i.imgur.com/q5m1PJw.png

This below is a screenshot of a PM from my inbox!!

At that point i was clueless as to what my account actually fetched.
In my mind i was thinking like $5-10 or something ..
Little did i know my account fetched over a btc.

Nonetheless i offered to pay for the return of my account and this is what he responded!

Im not sure "when" the current operator of the zedicus account bought it to do the signature campaign but "Quickseller" is a scammer.

 He knew well and good the account was stolen and sold it to him anyway.

Quickseller "posted" in my hacked account thread as "Zedicus" BEFORE my account was sold.

https://i.imgur.com/E732kt3.png




Without a shadow of a doubt, Quickseller is a 100% scammer!

Why do you come back here a year later? It was already known that you sold the account. Already had messages and everything clearing up the misunderstanding. If you sold your account and trying to recover it, it's basically a scam. You just see that you can make shitloads more if you do sig campaigns.

Just give up on it.

Within that time, you could've made that account you have a senior member. In fact, you can make your account a senior member if you post enough. Just give it up.