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Filthy ISIS scum. Need to be exterminated asap


http://twitchy.com/2014/08/19/evil-straight-from-the-pits-of-hell-american-journalist-james-foley-reportedly-beheaded-by-isis/ (http://twitchy.com/2014/08/19/evil-straight-from-the-pits-of-hell-american-journalist-james-foley-reportedly-beheaded-by-isis/)

Youtube version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grb_HHBGhoU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grb_HHBGhoU)

Unedited Liveleak version: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc1_1408481278 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc1_1408481278)

I'm sure there's some sort of rush or ranking that goes along w/ being a war photo-journalist and this fate is always possible. I'm not the man for that job. There's nothing left to say, we knew these guys were crazy.

not only are they barbaric dogs, but they're so deluded by their religion that they think provoking america while trying to contain certain regions in the middle east is a good idea.

fuck.. i just saw the video, that shit is fucking chilling.

Yeah that's pretty fucked up, if real (probably real, but couldn't see the actual beheading, was edited out)

Few points: Why was the journalist condemning America? Maybe to avoid torture? Also I thought the executioner had a distinctly British accent? Weird.

why is he saying that shit? because he's scared and they have guns pointed at him. he probably had a .1% chance of hope on living, and condemning america was worth it.

Fucking animals

Yeah man, you're probably right. I still think it's weird that they edited out the actual execution, and that the IS guy is British. I've seen so much fake shit on the internets, I'm pretty skeptical with everything I see these days.

Don't get me wrong though, these IS guys are fucking full on nut-jobs.

He is most likely reading off a card or something. They have so many mock executions that he probably doesn't even think he was going to be killed. If he doesn't say those things, they will probably torture like you said.

Obama must be happy now because he funded and trained this barbarians.

Remember, this is what true democracy looks like...

wait, what? do you have a source on how he funded ISIS? or are we just blaming everything on him?

Sad sad times we live in. The world is taking on an increasingly troubled and dystopian feel.
RIP James

Everyone blames the US for almost all wars/conflicts..

I think its fucking retarded and its because they cant see the whole picture.

ISIS should be taken down.. I think arming the kurds is maybe not a good idea since it can hit back..
The kurds could start a new conflict with Turkey..

I think that the US should request more air crafts from other nations to help with the strategic bombing.

Fuck it..

One solution.. Clean them out for good..

Send in the US troops, and any other nation that wants to help and check under every single rock. Get all the bastards to one place and let them get tortured. Fucking terrorists does not deserve any better.
Or give them 1 knife to let them execute one of their own like they apparently enjoy doing.

while it's not 100% americans, they have a big role in all of it though. but watoshi was claiming that obama trained them, and there doesn't seem to be evidence for that. i don't like obama either, but i don't blame him for shit that is actually not his fault.

At least 400 "British" jihadist have been identified by the secret service until now. Most of them are second generation Britons. So the IS guy can be British.

Yep, kurds can be the next chapter. Now they will have lots of modern military hardware, tons of money (oil concession to Lukoil etc) and they are practically independent now. It will be difficult to persuade them to join Baghdad again, and it will be even more difficult to persuade them to don't support kurds in Turkey.
Actually an independent Kurdistan would be the right thing. They deserve it.

I feel sick and in my opinion this is a legitimate video and I am not happy about it.
If James Foley was still alive that would be better but it does scare me that there are extremist elements in that country and well funded.
That said I think there are issues over there that need addressing but this is never the solution.

It does make me war hungry though want to shoot missiles on their asses and do covert ops to rescue him, by him I mean the other hostage at the end of the video.

Probably because they are to blame for a lot of wars/conflicts. I don't think you can see the whole picture here. What's the difference between ISIS beheading people and American's dropping bombs on civilians then just saying "whoops we were trying to get the bad guys"? There isn't one. They're both terrorists just with different techniques.

America is repeating its mistakes. the US should just let ISIS do what ever it wants,messing with them will only bring more problems.

This is what ISIS wants. The US can not afford staying away when those blokes are massacring ethnic and religious minorities. Especially not after flaunting for decades as the defender of mankind. Not to mention that they are largely responsible for the ongoing turmoil as they destabilized/destroyed the secular governments in the region.

Muslim is down right evil killing innocent civilians and reporters.

And using their own people in Gaza as human shield.

Except they're not doing that. Israel is evil and killing innocent people because they're sending bombs into a densely populated area that they are mostly responsible for creating. They keep the people of Gaza in an open air concentration camp and then throw bombs at it. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Except they're using TNT and not guns.

Only if you're an idiot and believe all the propoganda you read. Sure, some parts of the world Muslims may be more restrictive towards women, but this isnt shared by all the 'Muslim world' and doesnt just happen with Islam but all other cultures and faiths across the planet. I know plenty of Muslim's who have regular marriages and have the same rights as everyone else.

sick shit

Yes, I know there are many British radical Muslims/members of IS that are doing shit like this, the reason I thought it was weird was that the victim was American, and the video was intended as "a message to America". So it seemed odd to me that a Briton was in it. But I guess the perpetrator's original nationality is irrelevant really.


We have to remember that it's only a tiny majority of Muslims that have these ideologies, most Muslims would condemn such horrific actions. In the same way (although less extreme), we shouldn't look at groups like the Westboro Baptist Church and then say "Christians are all evil bigots".

While these animals hack off the heads of American citizens, our president is enjoying his vacation, thinking "yea, we are doing a good job over there" bombing a few.  Send in the dang Marines and end these people.

http://weaselzippers.us/197092-report-obama-knew-isis-was-about-to-behead-james-foley-as-he-partied-on-marthas-vineyard/


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This is the jay-vee team obama isn't worried about? Now they are making demands on the US with threats for more beheadings if obama doesn't do as they say?  Someone remind me why what happens in iraq has no bearing on the US and pulling out all our troops was the right thing to do? Foley was captured in Libya, moved to Syria and now he's been executed by isis in iraq, somehow I think our foreign policy in the ME hasn't exactly created peace or allies.

It's so bad there now, Iraqi Kurd commanders are claiming ISIS jihadists are worse than Saddam:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/20/islamic-state-jihadists-are-worse-than-saddam-iraqi-kurd-commander-says/

"It is an emotive assertion for a member of Iraq’s Kurdish community, which was targeted in a genocidal campaign in the 1980s by executed dictator Saddam Hussein’s regime that killed tens of thousands of people".

Can't exactly blame Obama for all the carnage there, still waiting for Bush to find Saddam's WMD's.... ::)

Why, yes, I believe it is.  It's only a matter of time before the attacks on soft targets start here....our southern border is wide open.  When the terror begins, you can blame it on one man....Barack Hussein Obama.

How many examples do we need before we declare war on jihadists and determine to wipe them out for good? It's long overdue for liberals to call the savages what they are: "terrorists".  Unleash our fury. 

Being human is depressing as fuck. How can animals like these exist, and im talking about both the beheaders and the fucking USA bombers. War = you are a retard that cannot solve things with inteligence, aka talking about it. Fucking half evolved imbreed monkeys we are. I wish I was born in year 10000 when I hope there are no wars anymore because we are past barbaric concepts such as religions, private property and scarcity.

I believe the same hope was a reality in the heads of ancient Greek philosophers 3000 years ago...

And what are you going to do different than Obama? Spew threats at Islam? Round up all Muslims and put them in internment camps.


What exactly is this magical foreign policy you are looking for, that you obviously think will make these terrorist zealots love us and stop trying to kill us?

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/423eb5d2-288e-11e4-8bda-00144feabdc0.html

For Fawaz Gerges, professor of international relations at the London School of Economics and an expert in al-Qaeda and Islamic extremism, the defining characteristic of the Isis/AQI approach, however is the their particular “use of violence”.

“Groups like al-Qaeda used violence in a tactical way, in a way proportional to their aims,” he says. “For Isis and AQI the savagery is the point. The action is what matters, not the ideas. To Zarqawi and Baghdadi [the Isis leader], the spectacle and the limitless force – beheadings, crucifications, people being buried alive – is what matters.”

Damn, man! Human killing another human is sick and twisted. Doing it on purpose is something beyond the borders of this reality. I totally agree with you. And with the risk of sounding cliche, in the end it's all about money and power which you can't take when you die eventually.

Its obvious that obamas foreign policy in the ME that is to do the exact opposite of what bush did is a failure on every count. Its obvious that he should have addressed the war in Syria when it started instead of waiting for it to explode and create isis. And its obvious that the peace loving moderate muslims in the ME and across the globe are not going to lift a finger to stop the radicals and will allow them to continue on their rampage until the evil west stops them and then the moderate muslims can bitch about western intervention in the ME.

What exactly is this magical foreign policy you are looking for, that you obviously think will make these terrorist zealots love us and stop trying to kill us?

Having a Mossad Agent at the hem of ISIS probably means he is going to encourage the radicals into the area. This will also cause normal people to migrate. So whats left will be expendable. Though I think a lot of innocents will be killed also. Families of older members who are not mobile enough to travel will stay behind to care for their immobile elders.


Sad, really sad.

The Nazis, as evil as they were, had a secular leader, a Furher, telling them what to do. But ISIS is saying God Almighty is telling them to do this. That is much worse in my opinion. If you think the creator of the Universe is telling you to cut heads off.

Quite disturbing trend that American can get killed anywhere with the killer not having to face justice.

The country should held their citizen accountable for violent crime.

If it's a religious component you'd like then I would point to the LRA which has been operating since 1986 (though it is pretty small scale now). With the ISIS we've seen massacres and persecutions done in "God's name." we've seen that with the LRA too, though the LRA have also used different tactics in terms of heavy child soldier usage, forcing children to rape their grandparents and kill their family so that even if they escape they will forever be shunned in their home community (goal is to cut down on defection), we've seen recruitment tactics from them that involve burning down a school and capturing those who make it out alive, the beheading, debreasting, and other forms of mutilation of entire villages with machetes and the mass rape of thousands.

I'd point also to the Liberian Civil War, the civil war in Sierra Leone, the DRC conflicts, the Rwandan Genocide, the Bosnian Genocide, the Genocide in Darfur, etc. There are plenty of examples of incredibly horrible and near incomprehensible human treatment of each other, particularly during conflict.

All of this is how war has been handled throughout history. The new idea of a polite and equitable war is unlikely to continue for long. Mostly it's been horrendous and filled with atrocities.

This problem cannot be looked at in Isolation, The whole swamp of hatred in the middle east is as a result of the money garbing western policies that first set up the dictatorial puppets so they could exploit the oil, then they went in and supported the "arab spring" and pumped heaps of weapons into the this festering swamp of hatred. Now because of this you have many pissed off second generation Muslims coming from Europe to join in what they see a legitimate war against all these western manipulations to eradicate any future western puppet democracy, Invading under bush was a bad idea and going after IS will result in even more extreme retaliation. If these youth return to Europe they going to bring this chaos there. Why these politicians are so short-sighted is beyond comprehension. The instability and misery they are causing will blow back. Drone attacks and arming people is not a solution. Israel just assassinated some Hamas  leaders while "negotiations" were supposedly taking place ???

The only conclusion I can draw is; to these psychopathic leaders peace is not the prize, we are all expendable. The more conflicts there are, the more justification they have to kill and steel resources. Although the beheading of the journalist by IS is horrific, the complete reckless impunity that these leaders knowingly instigate an perpetuate violence war and hatred is far worse.                  

That is why they are called the "Religion of Peace." Because when they kill you, they do it in a "Peaceful" way. Actually it's the Religion of Pieces, because when they murder you, you usually end up in pieces.

James Foley was a victim of murder, but by the content and the presentation of how ISIS decided to execute him suggest that Foley was also victim of being forced to say the things he said in his last moments.

In his last moments the ISIS scum manage to intimidate Foley long enough to make him say the things he said, since one of goals of ISIS is to make an state that dominates every Islamic country and put they're will over others by force, is obvious that they will use the worst kind of intimidation that will make them control the people they have in they're power and make them obey.


ISIS breaks every value of the Islamic ways and killing journalist and reporters because they inform the world the truth is really depreciable and a sign of having no sense of dignity, they´re goals are truly worthless.

I agree, this is much worse. Believing that "god" is telling you to do something is much more convincing then some person giving orders. These people are much more unlikely to realize what they are doing is wrong. 

So here's a question I see no one has asked. Is this video actually for real?

We see a prisoner with a knife to his throat, then we see a body.

The parents were on the news, they didn't act like they had just seen their son beheaded.

Also, is it just me or are production values extremely good on terrorist videos these days? And that terrorist seems very well educated. Why did he also commit the beheading? Why not get someone else to do it?

GoPro cameras and a hands on approach.

So what, have one prisoner hold the camera while he watches the other get beheaded?

There must have been more than one terrorist there. Otherwise why would the two of them, the prisoner journalists, not just rush their captor? If he shoots them it has to be a better death than beheading via paring knife while filmed on GoPro.

Beheading is engaged in because it is seen as a humiliating way to execute someone. It is part of the propaganda related symbolism that these videos ooze with, but are often lost on US viewers. If you notice he was also dressed up in orange, which is a popular Jihadi symbolic reference to Guantanamo Bay (as is the shaven head, though the shaving of one's head can also be a holy act during the Hajj).

Why not? Both prisoners were photo journalists. Obviously Foley lost the coin toss...

It seems that all it takes to be a terrorist in the area controlled by ISIS is a black headwrap and some swarthy speech. I bet Foley could have pulled that off.

He's bigger than his killer too, physically taller.


I want you to watch his family though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j03S0m8cTSo

Watch his mother.

Yes, it has been confirmed to be authentic. It was obtained by SITE intelligence from the al Furqan Media Foundation (IS media wing), and confirmed by several independent sources including the US government.

As for why that "educated" terrorist? Probably because it was a "Message to America" and he spoke English.

Now, it may be that they're just too white to reveal actual emotion on TV, but those are not real emotions from real parents who just lost a son. Perhaps they knew what was going to happen, there is a story now that they received an email from their son.
They definitely aren't trying to question what has happened. They certainly said nothing to the effect of the speech the beheaded son made in regards to his Air Force brother. Not even to comfort his brother.

And who the hell was calling the dad's cell during the interview?! It was frantic and obviously the caller knew they were in the middle of an international interview.. and kept calling! The message appeared to be "we really need Jesus" from the change in focus from the parents.


Now. I present the parents of Michael Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43NAG0s5L_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xORC3Kfhw0Y

Do you see the difference? It's on their faces. Their messages differ as well, but these parents did lose a son and are still dealing with the reality of it all. Brown's parents seem authentic. Foley's parents seem like actors.

They had almost 2 years to prepare for this inevitable event, unlike Brown's parents. They chose to celebrate and share his life remembered in public, and let their grief be their own, privately.

It's bad that ISIS is killing people but something is wrong with this war

They are a bunch of murderous scumbags
The civilised world needs to pull its finger out and get medieval on them

Oh, you want civilised world to put them down? To kill more people? Lol

I don't think it's reasonable to not accept that Foley was beheaded by ISIS (though yeah, I've had the displeasure of watching a few Taliban execution videos which leaked out, and they're very different, but people and organizations are all different, so...), but it's difficult to justify more deaths (including Americans) to fight something which can't die (or at least, something which the USG has shown it can't or won't kill). We fought the Taliban. Their numbers were estimated at ~45,000 when we went in. Now, they're estimated to be 60,000 strong and growing (AFTER killing tens of thousands of 'em), and in the meantime, our thirst for justice has led to >3,000 ISAF deaths, >10,000 Afghan National Security deaths, and ~20,000 civilian/contractor deaths.

Moreover, very frankly, meddling in Iraq and Afghanistan has cost the USG $4-6T, money which could've been spent elsewhere, certainly including life-saving sectors desperate for funding. In low-development countries, a life can be saved for ~$400-2,000. In the US - and this is mostly out of my ass - maybe $40,000 for someone who could be cured of something but isn't because they can't pay for it, or deaths of crimes brought by poverty. -So, outside the ~2,600 American deaths, we used enough money to've effectively eradicated poor healthcare and famine in third- and second-world countries, or basically every American dying of a death which could've been prevented by having more wealth (for years if incurable).

I mean - can you just imagine how much better off everyone would be if we simply donated $1T in material aid to Afghanistan (~20-30x their annual GDP) and DIDN'T blow their infrastructure to Hell and frequently halted or impeded business? Maybe we wouldn't be spending so much just on counternarcotics in Afghanistan if our efforts were to build people up instead of shooting them down - maybe Afghanis really would raise llamas instead of growing poppies. US companies could still make the goods, and then we'd have a stronger useful economy instead of a stronger kill economy, and there's no reason for civil war when there's little resource scarcity. Look at that, and it's just.... why try suffocating terrorists with their own blood when we could just suffocate them by dropping hundreds of thousands of canned goods, books, medical supplies, seeds, livestock (... well, I'm not sure if there's a cheap way of safely dropping hundreds of lambs from hundreds of ft up), and building materials on their hideouts? When an "enemy combatant" is identified out in the open, I have no doubt it would be far more beneficial to literally just spray so much USD at him, he's knocked over and can't breathe because he has hundreds of pounds of fiat crushing his body and preventing air circulation. There aren't many wrong changes we could make compared to how awful the consequences of military intervention is.

It's the same damned thing for police, prisons, and related. Police and an outrageously high prison population can only deal with symptoms of a problem (and maybe not even in an effective way), and we still throw more money at treatment than we do at a cure. (alright, I'm out of high-horse one-liners, now)

The beheading of a Human being like as if he was an animal, clearly shows how cold blooded and backward this Islamic militants are.

Journalist is a kind of independent profesional, so if they are getting news from the war area, they must be protecting by the law of journalist
so if james foley reportedly beheaded by ISIS, it's a high rank of crime, so ISIS must be responsible what has been done to the reporter
hopefully there is a justice for this high rank crime ...

Exactly. You can't really pretend to be the more civilized party or country when you resort to stooping down to their level. People get angry because a westerner has been beheaded, but don't seem to mind when their armies blow civilian children to bits in the process of getting "justice" or retribution. You can't fight terrorism with more terrorism.

While the US policy of not negotiating with terrorists is unquestionably correct, the lack of resolve in an effective response to this atrocity is kind of pathetic. Why not tell them that you're going to flatten a population center under ISIS control each day until the other hostage is released? Also assure them that the second hostage being executed will result in Raqqa being turned into a Dresden redux.

America has more than enough conventional ordinance to lay waste to ISIS controlled regions of Syria to a level unseen since Tamerlane did in the 15th century. Why not give them something to fear?

was it right for obama to play golf right after?

So your thought is to destroy civilian population centers of people that have been recently conquered by ISIS at least partially because ISIS took over some American weaponry?

That should work well.
Do people still have conversations with you on purpose?

No. My thought is to make an example of ISIS and the civilians who acquiesce to it. Something shocking and savage which will form a strong cultural memory amongst the people there, sort of like how the Crusader sack of Maarrat al-Nu'man did. They're used to weak responses and have no idea of how much stronger Western forces are in comparison... if they simply had the will to use their power reasonably.

If playing golf helps mister hussein obama come up with a legitimate plan to eradicate Islam from the planet, then yes, him playing was definitely a good thing.

The US systems of government keep the US heavily under shit hole conditions in many states, especially with the failed dark ages approach of capital punishment in use and guns out of control, like some of the atrocious hell holes in darkest africa.

Triple fact rating +1 as confirmed by fact finding factions of the northern fact bureau of facts and figures. Fact.

What the USG could do is establish a new wing of the armed forces of those who'd otherwise face dishonorable discharge for something violent, preferably rape, and ideally, child rape -- arm 'em with a generous supply of ammo, then drop them in Damascus with no money and no orders.

ETA: WAIT! No -- prison overpopulation in the US solved! Send the worst of the worst on "diplomatic missions!"

The bloke on the video cutting a head off, surely each year you might only get as many as a couple of these HD video renderings offered by a few isolated nutters each year ? Plus it was an English bloke what did it.

Israelis can bomb hundreds of tower blocks in Gaza and wipe out thousands of poor babies and women over the years, nothing like the numbers of a few isolated IS / ISIS beheadings.

Also the numbers of deaths of carpet bombed Cambodians or Afghans / Iraqi deaths by the US of babies and women make a laughing stock of the tiny minuscule number of head chop hatchet jobs. They are not even using proper axes.

What would you want him to have done? There are a million things that Obama could or should be occupied with, but he is also entitled to some time off. People are always going to criticize that sort of stuff with every leader just because they like to moan, but if any one of us cared about the state of the world we wouldn't be sat behind a computer screen and we certainly wouldn't get a single second of sleep at night. The fact that he played golf is utterly irrelevant IMO.

Just because I'm anti-Democratic and anti-liberal doesn't mean that I'm a troll. Sure, outside the Western mainstream, but the West is a diseased society rotting from within, and the Western mainstream is somewhat of a hollow idol.

Modernism as the West defines it needs to be deconstructed and replaced with something that works and isn't totally decadent

So what you're saying is that a rational response to horrific crimes is to emulate those crimes? Many people that have been conquered in the area due to the military incompetence and confused foreign policy of the US deserve to die at American hands because the US government didn't have the brains to take their dangerous toys away from people that didn't know how to keep them out of the hands of children?

That is an insane concept. You used to make some sense, but this is ridiculous. Mass killing of people who believe in mass killing won't change their minds, and mass killing of innocent people merely creates long term revenge motives. So you want to direct more hatred at the US? That is insane shit, man. You have issues.

You are a troll, because your answer to depravity is absolute depravity. You're not so much against the ways of the west as you're jealous that Slavic stupidity wasn't given a similar chance to fail on the same scale.

According to a few media outlets, the beheader was a former rapper from London (dude in the red baseball cap):

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/ISIS-beheading-suspect-Abdel-Majed-Abdel-Bary-aka-L-Jinny-or-Lyricist-Jinn-Facebook.jpg

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/25/report-british-ex-rapper-identified-as-person-who-beheaded-james-foley-in-isis-video/
British ex-rapper identified as person who beheaded James Foley in ISIS video

The video is bogus. Not saying the foley didnt get killed but there is no way its being authentic since ISIS was/is occidental puppets.
This is yet another mambojumbo from US to mess with syria or whatever they want to do.

Here are the main points of the supercherie:

1/ HD quality, such nice bugdet uh?! is it a gopro?! they can certainly make a commercial out of it..
2/ 2 cams and angles, like a real holywood movie.. such production wow. yet we dont see the most important beheading part. such waste.
3/ They have some sensitive western TV show tie-microphones and there is no wind sound recoreded although they seem to apparently be in the freakin desert
4/ Foley and the other hostage appear in good health, not injured etc whilst being alledgedly captive for months (he even seems to have gained weight ffs!)
5/ They are wearing orange clothes.. which are kinda the same as in guantanamo.. where would desert fanatics would find such nice, clean and even ironed prisoners clothes?
6/ Although foley being 2minutes from death, he does not panic or anything. not a single tear.
7/ Foley talks clamly and repent or whatever. if i knew i was about to be beheaded i would not be that stoic. ffs he does not even glimpse when adressing for the last time his family.
8/ The speech is adressed at westerners. no allah uakbar or anything, just english.. and with a british accent.. lol
9/ Cutted scene of the actual beheading. lol why so cautious for our sensitive western habits? thought the point was to show the world their savagery and godwill.
10/ No blood shed when actually starting the beheading
11/ No blood on the executor's clothes or knife when threatening the other hostage afterwards at the end.

Just freaking bogus. Not the MO of real fanatic islamists that just love showing the blood of the infidels and crying out loud in arabic allah uakbar (especially when executing someone). So what? they evolved?! ^^
Like if they care about your western sensibility or whatever, no, they want to terrorise you. And they are certainly not going to talk the impure english language. These guys have ideals ffs! ^^


edit: and FFS snowden has linked ISIS Supreme Khalif al baghdadi to the CIA and the mossad (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/23/376292/isils-baghdadi-trained-by-mossad/). So keep your hate and anger towards muslims, this is just BS.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/24/376378/baghdadi-mossadtrained-saudifunded/


edit edit: Reminds me of those vids from that funny faked terrorist in the latest Iron man movie.. really ;D ;D ;D

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SYF-gTSXSCo/UTZ6I5Zh2vI/AAAAAAAAZ3g/BHsODo3bUM8/s1600/Iron_Man_3_Trailer_2_2013_h36m16s188.png

A much better solution would be to educate them as to why mass killing is wrong. If they do not learn and still attempt to kill others then they should be punished, including possibly death, but only if they had committed very hanenious crimes.

We don't have any publicly available data that Qatar for example funds the Islamic State. This has been a pretty popular misconception because these countries fund other Islamist militias who may also work with say the Al Nusra Front or even contain Al Qaeda affiliates, but that isn't the same as directly funding the IS. In fact, these countries have been, under US pressure, cracking down fairly hard on financial sources for the Islamic State and even Al Nusra recently. Saudi Arabia might have at one point, it is hard to tell, we don't really have that data unfortunately and it is difficult to distinguish between private funders and those allowed to fund with Saudi government complicity / support.

always amuses me those numbies blaming the US for Islamic fanatics. Crazies have been around for millennia. Religious zealots as well. THe numbies refuse to acknowledge that blaming the US is pathetic. We are the EXCUSE. Not the reason.

What should be pointed out again and again is how the mainstream Islamic leadership REFUSES to stand up and denounce the extremists. When was the last time you saw a march against Islamic extremists by other Islamics?

And then they wonder why no one thinks much of them.

It seems almost childishly naive to think that the United States, the global superpower, couldn't be the cause of anything in the world. The Islamic State has already been denounced by the largest names in formal Islam. When was the last time you marched in the streets against the activities of Jundallah? America did that twice. Japan unconditionally surrendered.

Comparing the IS to the Japanese government is laughable.

you really do not study a lot of history do you?

Take a good hard look at the composition of the Japanese government (such as it was) during WW2. With attention especially to the Army senior officers who ran most of it.

You want fanatics? You got them right there.

Are you willingly this stupid or are you forced? I notice that you refuse to admit I was right on #3. And as regards #1 you are as dense as usual.
And I also notice you refused to admit I was right on that. And so called denouncements? No surprise an idiot like you would call them that.

You were wrong on all three accounts. Deal with it.

There is no question US foreign policy has some blame for attacks against US interests. Nothing operates in a vacuum. If you piss people off enough, they react. This is the result of US foreign policy pissing off a lot of people. I'm neither attacking nor defending the policies themselves, just making a statement of fact that they sometimes cause violent blowback.

As far as mainstream leadership, your point might have had more weight if Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen hadn't made a joint statement denouncing ISIS on 08/11/14.

As far as marches and protests in dictatorships, they tend to happen less often.

Indeed, the Grand Mufi of Saudi Arabia, the Grand Mufti of Egypt, and the head of turkey's Islamic community have all publicly condemned the ISIS which rounds out the big Sunni three. Throw on top of that the condemnations by the Arab League, and Iran and pretty much all of the big official bases are covered.

You also seem to be unable to tell the difference between excuses and reasons.Where are the Religious leadership denouncements? Political types mean very little.And I wonder. Where are those marches in the US and the UK and elsewhere?

would be interesting to see what PREVIOUS denouncements of Islamic extremism that did NOT directly threaten THEM that they made.

And by the way since you like to ignore things like this can you point out anything like that from the Islamic communities in the US or UK or anyplaces like that?

OR actually any marches protesting Islamic extremism in the West?

Notice how you keep dodging that question

A lot. Just because you never pay attention doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. There were strong condemnations of 9/11, of Al Qaeda, of extremism in general, we see Islamic clerics assassinated all of the time for espousing moderate views in the face of radicals. Dozens this year alone. We've even seen considerable progress in the area of womens rights over the last several years within mainstream theological views including a denouncement of female genital mutilation from the head of the four main schools of Islamic Sunni though (which is based out of Egypt).

Easily, it happens all of the time.

Norway: http://www.torontosun.com/2014/08/27...y-against-isis

Michigan: http://twitchy.com/2014/08/25/muslim...humane-crimes/

London: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...s-9673410.html

Paris: http://www.usnews.com/news/world/art...ic-state-group

After 9/11 The British Muslim Council paid to take out full page advertisements against terrorism in British newspapers. The Nigerian Islamic council was quick to denounce Boko Haram as well, and in Egypt a couple of years ago we saw Egyptian Muslims stand outside Coptic churches during Christmas masses in order to protect them from attacks by radicals.

Once again, just because you can't be bothered to pay attention doesn't mean that these things don't exist.

When was the last time that you participated in a march against Islamic extremism? How about radical Christian groups that engage in violence? How about against terrorist organizations that the US has supported like Jundallah? It's interesting that you keep dodging THAT question. The simple fact is that you have a clear double standard and expect others to do something that you can't even be bothered to get up and do yourself.

The Saudi governmental decision to designate the aforementioned groups as terror organizations is an implicit acknowledgment that the removal of al-Assad's regime by violence was no longer possible. Not because of US pressure. The Saudis (and Qataris) only made those designations out of necessity to formally address the inadvertent threat from Syria, which is the hyper influx of jihadi combatants returning from there.

Are you eve qualified to make these assertions about the unavailability of public data? Even Wikileaks has made available reports detailing Saudi intelligence chief Bandar bin Sultan's post-US Ambassador directives to work with US administrations to strengthen Salafist jihadis against foreign Iranian-supported elements. There is a myriad of solid circumstantial evidence for someone not to presume that the Saudi-Salafist network is not active in Syria or not being supported by official al-Saud arms.

Incorrect, it was largely because of the threat that Saudi Arabia felt that such groups posed to its own governing abilities domestically. Your assertion also assumes that Saudi Arabia only would have an interest in completely removing Assad, while ignoring the potential political benefits of simply promoting instability through protracted conflict even if the supported side ended up losing (a pretty common tactic used within realist policy making).

Yes.
Qatar, Kuwait and the UAE less so than Saudi Arabia. Us pressure has been pretty instrumental in the past couple months in terms of cracking down on financial chains coming from Gulf States.

That doesn't necessarily mean support for the IS.


Of course they've supported Salafist organizations, all Salafists aren't the same though (all Salafist groups aren't even violent) and the question isn't do they support Salafists, its do they support the IS.

We can knock 'em back into the stone age and make them start all over again. Like an ant farm. Maybe at some point and with some generation, they will get the clue.

Our media won't focus on those we call our allies, the Middle Eastern countries (I'm not going to name any to steer clear of misinterpretation and controversy!) who behead immigrants for smoking weed

I think the purpose of the mainstream media to focus on just this video is to make this another 9/11, another excuse to go to war so the buddies who made massive profits because of the Iraq war can once again find more ways to fill their pockets, using the puppet Obama as a middle man.


I smell "White man's burden"

ISIS
is mainly a group that is killing Muslims and is oppressing Muslims.
Yet people are associating them with Islam. Boggles my mind.

Shit, fundamentalism and the adulterous association of church and state hurts the religion more than it benefits the state

The act of barbarism speaks for itself.
At this juncture, any western journalist going to Syria or Iraq to investigate or write a story should have his or her family institutionalize them for their own safety.

I deplore this murder.
I worry that it makes me want revenge and to strike back. I suspect that is what these lunatics want.
As many other posters comment, I suspect we are not far off boots on the ground time. But our last little escapade is what led to the vacuum that ISIS now fills. What on earth will we get after this lot are crushed?

Unfortunately, no country will take this seriously because we have neutralized more journalists than ISIS ever will.

Did the video for the second assassination ever get liveleaked
See the one for James Foley but not the other journalist.

You can find the other video on gore sites but liveleak put out a message that they won't be posting or allowing the sotloff video on their site

It is very easy to believe that they use those people who can speak the best English to speak in English in their propaganda vídeos aimed towards Americans.

 >:(

Why can't we use just a tiny little nuke and vaporize these assholes once and for all!!

You've apparently forgotten Hiroshima