Title: Suicide tourism? Post by: sana8410 on August 22, 2014, 01:37:25 PM Quote 'Suicide tourism' to Switzerland has doubled since 2009: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/health/suicide-tourism-switzerland/index.html?hpt=hp_t4(CNN) -- The law on assisted suicide in Switzerland isn't clear, according to a paper published in the journal Law, Ethics and Medicine this week. That's why, the authors say, people from other countries are traveling to the state of Zurich for the "sole purpose of committing suicide." They're called suicide tourists. Between 2008 and 2012, 611 "tourists" came to Switzerland for assisted suicide, according to the published analysis. They arrived from 31 countries around the world, though the majority were from Germany and the United Kingdom. "In the UK, at least, 'going to Switzerland' has become a euphemism for (assisted suicide)," the study authors write. "Six right-to-die organizations assist in approximately 600 cases of suicide per year; some 150-200 of which are suicide tourists." This published paper is the result of a pilot study completed for a larger project on assisted suicide in Switzerland being done by experts at the Institute of Legal Medicine in Zurich. Of the 611 assisted suicides identified during the four-year study period, just over 58% were women. The patients' ages ranged from 23 to 97, researchers found, but the average age was 69. Close to half of the patients had a neurological disease. Others stated they had cancer, rheumatic disease or cardiovascular disease. Many had more than one condition. In all but four cases, the assisted suicides were done using sodium pentobarbital. A fatal dose of this drug causes the patient to slip into a deep coma. Sodium pentobarbital paralyzes the patient's respiratory system, causing him or her to stop breathing. The total number of suicide tourism cases dropped from 123 in 2008 to 86 in 2009. But the number of cases doubled between 2009 and 2012, to 172. Its a rather strange phrase "suicide tourism" for people who go to a foreign country to receive assistance in ending their life. It must be strange as well to know exactly when and how you will die. To actually have an appointment for it to happen. When you land at the airport in Switzerland you have to realize everything you see and do from now on will be for the last time. Its doubtful these people are thinking too much about such things. They are looking for relief from agony and an end of suffering....for them and their families. Death can be very difficult and everyone needs help at the end even if that means help to die. The fact that so many have to leave their own countries for this final assistance is both sad and a shame. In America only four states, Vermont, Oregon, Washington and Montana allow assisted Suicide. I am convinced sooner or later more will allow it. It just seems the right thing to do. All the so-called "slippery slope" concerns should be able to be alleviated as this is really an issue of common sense. No one wants to die in agony and without dignity or watch someone they love go through such an end. Folks have no control over their birth and sometimes not much control over their lives so at least we should have control over how we wish to die. Don't you think? Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: zolace on August 22, 2014, 01:52:35 PM I can see tremendous commercial potential for the first country that makes the theme park. People are going to pay money to pick the way they die. Some will see it and some won't.
Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: superresistant on August 22, 2014, 02:13:33 PM This is what happen when you make law based on "moral" instead of rational arguments. Killing yourself or ask someone to help you is illegal because some religious pedophiles said it is wrong. Fuck religion, fuck moral. Use your brain people, it's made for it. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: umair127 on August 22, 2014, 02:33:20 PM My opinion (which can't be disputed, disproven or otherwise challenged bwahahaha) is the commercialized Swiss suicide spas, where suicide is on offer not only to the terminally ill or those with agonizing conditions, are a life-negating slippery slope. I'd append "What do you think?" but that would be disingenuous because I don't want to consider member thoughts, refine or elaborate on mine or bother with addressing arguments to contrary. "Ditto" is an acceptable reply of course. ;-)
Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: noviapriani on August 22, 2014, 02:47:18 PM Reminds me of Soylent Green and Edward J. Robinson's famous line..."I'm going home." Really loved the musical overture they played after he drank the poison and all the beautiful clips of how abundant life used to be, not a bad way to go if one has already made up their mind.
And suicide is a very personal decision, it retains at least a measure of dignity, it should be legalized but with certain restrictions, certain age limits and of course, at a reasonable cost. All Catholics must sign a waiver. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: zolace on August 22, 2014, 02:53:24 PM My opinion (which can't be disputed, disproven or otherwise challenged bwahahaha) is the commercialized Swiss suicide spas, where suicide is on offer not only to the terminally ill or those with agonizing conditions, are a life-negating slippery slope. I'd append "What do you think?" but that would be disingenuous because I don't want to consider member thoughts, refine or elaborate on mine or bother with addressing arguments to contrary. "Ditto" is an acceptable reply of course. ;-) Personally, I don't understand why this isn't allowed in all states. With close regulation to prevent exploitation and to prevent that "slippery slope" it seems only proper to allow someone to willfully expire with dignity. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: Hash Master on August 22, 2014, 03:10:07 PM "Suicide tourism" is a very wrong name of the whole concept.
If you haven't seen with your eyes what a cancer disease can do, than maybe that's the right term. These people are in immense physical pain, so choosing to die with dignity is the best someone can let them do, since they have already lost control over their bodies and obviously - the battle with cancer. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: umair127 on August 23, 2014, 10:35:19 AM "Suicide tourism" is a very wrong name of the whole concept. There is a popular novel on this topic called "Me Before You" which as fiction goes, does a fairly good job at portraying both sides of this issue through one man's personal quest to off himself in Switzerland. If you haven't seen with your eyes what a cancer disease can do, than maybe that's the right term. These people are in immense physical pain, so choosing to die with dignity is the best someone can let them do, since they have already lost control over their bodies and obviously - the battle with cancer. As for the argument for "assisted suicide", calling it that is the first step down the slippery slope with all respect to the two gents who just said it. The slippery slope always starts with appealing euphemisms...after all, who doesn't want women to have choice? Who wouldn't want folks to be treated equally? Who doesn't want to die with dignity? Try calling it what is really is..."state sanctioned murder of an innocent helpless sick person"....and see how much traction that will get advocates. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: sana8410 on August 23, 2014, 10:48:02 AM "Suicide tourism" is a very wrong name of the whole concept. If I was dying of a painful disease, like cancer, I would ask for whatever got rid of the pain and take in as much as I needed, whether it killed me or not. I don't want to be in pain at the end of my life. I want to die in bliss.If you haven't seen with your eyes what a cancer disease can do, than maybe that's the right term. These people are in immense physical pain, so choosing to die with dignity is the best someone can let them do, since they have already lost control over their bodies and obviously - the battle with cancer. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: umair127 on August 23, 2014, 10:55:36 AM Most major religions and large denoms of our majority Christian population support their respective version of the sanctity of life, the exceptions are those which are heavily based or influenced by humanist tenets. It doesn't always follow that what the individual or majority of religions believe is immoral should be reflected in law....I don't ascribe to that view because there are lots of things which the government has no compelling interest to prevent heathens from doing if they are only harming themselves or other consenting adults. If someone wants to kill themselves, I wouldn't stand on "moral principle" to make that illegal per se because once they are dead, what in the world can you do to them that would matter? But the problem with suicide is that if it is not made illegal, then you have no authority to try to stop someone in process and get them help. Furthermore, assisted suicide (another euphemism) is not just the person offing themselves, it is the sanctioning of a government authorized doctor to kill you with your permission. So setting aside the morality, how do we logically reconcile that we need to keep suicide illegal so we can intervene to stop someone who wants to do it themselves with making suicide legal as long as it is someone else killing you after you beg for permission from Big Brother? That is about the screwiest justification of a "personal right" there is, not to mention compassion.
Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: zolace on August 23, 2014, 11:04:40 AM Most major religions and large denoms of our majority Christian population support their respective version of the sanctity of life, the exceptions are those which are heavily based or influenced by humanist tenets. It doesn't always follow that what the individual or majority of religions believe is immoral should be reflected in law....I don't ascribe to that view because there are lots of things which the government has no compelling interest to prevent heathens from doing if they are only harming themselves or other consenting adults. If someone wants to kill themselves, I wouldn't stand on "moral principle" to make that illegal per se because once they are dead, what in the world can you do to them that would matter? But the problem with suicide is that if it is not made illegal, then you have no authority to try to stop someone in process and get them help. Furthermore, assisted suicide (another euphemism) is not just the person offing themselves, it is the sanctioning of a government authorized doctor to kill you with your permission. So setting aside the morality, how do we logically reconcile that we need to keep suicide illegal so we can intervene to stop someone who wants to do it themselves with making suicide legal as long as it is someone else killing you after you beg for permission from Big Brother? That is about the screwiest justification of a "personal right" there is, not to mention compassion. Very well stated. I'd only add that I lived with my mom while she died of lung cancer a few years ago. Nothing very graciousabout it, but it did give us six months to discover two people neither of us knew existed before that. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: umair127 on August 23, 2014, 11:06:21 AM "Suicide tourism" is a very wrong name of the whole concept. If I was dying of a painful disease, like cancer, I would ask for whatever got rid of the pain and take in as much as I needed, whether it killed me or not. I don't want to be in pain at the end of my life. I want to die in bliss.If you haven't seen with your eyes what a cancer disease can do, than maybe that's the right term. These people are in immense physical pain, so choosing to die with dignity is the best someone can let them do, since they have already lost control over their bodies and obviously - the battle with cancer. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: noviapriani on August 23, 2014, 11:11:28 AM "Suicide tourism" is a very wrong name of the whole concept. If I was dying of a painful disease, like cancer, I would ask for whatever got rid of the pain and take in as much as I needed, whether it killed me or not. I don't want to be in pain at the end of my life. I want to die in bliss.If you haven't seen with your eyes what a cancer disease can do, than maybe that's the right term. These people are in immense physical pain, so choosing to die with dignity is the best someone can let them do, since they have already lost control over their bodies and obviously - the battle with cancer. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: Gervais on August 23, 2014, 11:17:37 AM I don't really understand why people need to travel to a foreign country to commit suicide. It seems like such a stress and added cost, and why can't they just take a drug overdose at home of painkillers or whatever. That's all these clincs would probably give them anyway (or some other fatal amount of another drug).
Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: umair127 on August 23, 2014, 11:21:01 AM For me personally, I do not judge a person like Robin Williams for what he did. He made his decision, I have no desire or need to add insult to injury to a dead man by emphasizing illegality after the fact. I feel the same in regard to someone who refused to eat or treat their disease or an infection or personally offed themselves to hasten their demise. In that sense, I support their "right" and they can work it out with their God or karma or whatever higher power there may be. I will extend compassion to these folks who in their minds feel they cannot make a different choice. But in no way will I ever embrace state sanctioned murder of the sick. I watched a dear friend die of cancer slowly and with tremendous suffering, and he did with such courage, unfailing good humor and selflessness, and gratitude for every minute and every person in his life, it was so powerful and humbling and inspirational, I dare anyone to argue that is not the epitome of what dying with dignity really looks like. Dying, and dying is a messy way, is part of life and it has a value even if it is painful and hard which I think in the long run and larger picture will not benefit the larger community to sanitize.
Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: umair127 on August 23, 2014, 11:24:07 AM I realize not everyone has what it takes to do what my friend did, and I can't honestly say I do...but I WANT to be like him, so do hundreds of folks who watched him, and yes, IMO, that is the culture I want to live in. One that values REAL courage, and REAL compassion, and REAL life, all of which I think are turned upside down in state sanctioned murder.
Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: sana8410 on August 23, 2014, 11:44:31 AM I realize not everyone has what it takes to do what my friend did, and I can't honestly say I do...but I WANT to be like him, so do hundreds of folks who watched him, and yes, IMO, that is the culture I want to live in. One that values REAL courage, and REAL compassion, and REAL life, all of which I think are turned upside down in state sanctioned murder. That's going in a personal archive of "perfectly stated opinions", passages for which I am grateful to author for articulating clearly and beautifully. I also watched my brother die of terminal cancer, taking from his courageous example the same humbling and life affirming message you did. While my initial reply was glib, concern over the marketing of suicide, (which will occur, if this 'procedure' is normalized) is 100% genuine, for the reasons you've outlined so thoughtfully. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: sana8410 on August 23, 2014, 12:16:25 PM For me personally, I do not judge a person like Robin Williams for what he did. He made his decision, I have no desire or need to add insult to injury to a dead man by emphasizing illegality after the fact. I feel the same in regard to someone who refused to eat or treat their disease or an infection or personally offed themselves to hasten their demise. In that sense, I support their "right" and they can work it out with their God or karma or whatever higher power there may be. I will extend compassion to these folks who in their minds feel they cannot make a different choice. But in no way will I ever embrace state sanctioned murder of the sick. I watched a dear friend die of cancer slowly and with tremendous suffering, and he did with such courage, unfailing good humor and selflessness, and gratitude for every minute and every person in his life, it was so powerful and humbling and inspirational, I dare anyone to argue that is not the epitome of what dying with dignity really looks like. Dying, and dying is a messy way, is part of life and it has a value even if it is painful and hard which I think in the long run and larger picture will not benefit the larger community to sanitize. There's bedridden and bedridden. Being hooked up to a bunch of tubes, on constant painkillers and other medicine, that's one thing. But having, say, a leg chopped off for diabetes, that's another. It's our responsibility to construct our lives as best we can given the cards we are dealt. When I was young, I worked in retirement facilities, not real convalescent hospitals, though they did have SNFs, but rather retirement homes, some very well heeled ones. I saw folks at both their best and worst in older age, even some who were bedridden but still kept an active mind and relative control over the rest of their body others who were hale in both body and mind but made their own elder years miserable of their own choice.Ultimately, where I come down on assisted suicide is here: I feel the same in regard to someone who refused to eat or treat their disease or an infection or personally offed themselves to hasten their demise. In that sense, I support their "right" and they can work it out with their God or karma or whatever higher power there may be. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: sana8410 on August 23, 2014, 01:01:33 PM "Suicide tourism" is a very wrong name of the whole concept. If I was dying of a painful disease, like cancer, I would ask for whatever got rid of the pain and take in as much as I needed, whether it killed me or not. I don't want to be in pain at the end of my life. I want to die in bliss.If you haven't seen with your eyes what a cancer disease can do, than maybe that's the right term. These people are in immense physical pain, so choosing to die with dignity is the best someone can let them do, since they have already lost control over their bodies and obviously - the battle with cancer. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: sana8410 on August 23, 2014, 01:04:47 PM For people like me, we can have great suicides of the past, "Open your veins like Petronius Arbiter" or "stick your head in the oven like Sylvia Plath" or "Shoot yourself like Ernest Hemingway", complete with the actual setting in which it took place so you get the real sense of it all. Or, at least, your survivors do! I'd love to go out like Petronius!
Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: umair127 on August 23, 2014, 01:08:38 PM For people like me, we can have great suicides of the past, "Open your veins like Petronius Arbiter" or "stick your head in the oven like Sylvia Plath" or "Shoot yourself like Ernest Hemingway", complete with the actual setting in which it took place so you get the real sense of it all. Or, at least, your survivors do! I'd love to go out like Petronius! Socrates for me. Had almost identical thought yesterday, and in fact wrote words below to Titan, who'd said that if legalized, procedure should be reasonably priced - but was on way somewhere, and didn't post:When and if the 'procedure' becomes normalized and commonplace I'm sure there'll be market options, from low budget "Dr. Kevorkian special" to elaborate arrangements. For those who've always fantasized a heroic or spectacular demise, the ultra wealthy could opt for the "Thelma and Louise," "Gunfight at OK Corral" or other staged setting - they'd be premedicated to blissful state prior to final glorious moments. Copy in brochures would tout these deluxe packages as ‘for those who want to go out with a bang and not a whimper’. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: zolace on August 23, 2014, 01:12:34 PM "Suicide tourism" is a very wrong name of the whole concept. If I was dying of a painful disease, like cancer, I would ask for whatever got rid of the pain and take in as much as I needed, whether it killed me or not. I don't want to be in pain at the end of my life. I want to die in bliss.If you haven't seen with your eyes what a cancer disease can do, than maybe that's the right term. These people are in immense physical pain, so choosing to die with dignity is the best someone can let them do, since they have already lost control over their bodies and obviously - the battle with cancer. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: noviapriani on August 23, 2014, 01:37:16 PM I realize not everyone has what it takes to do what my friend did, and I can't honestly say I do...but I WANT to be like him, so do hundreds of folks who watched him, and yes, IMO, that is the culture I want to live in. One that values REAL courage, and REAL compassion, and REAL life, all of which I think are turned upside down in state sanctioned murder. You are the one manipulating the meaning of words to try to advance your argument. It is not murder. It is not euthanasia. The person wanting to die is the person who does the killing in assisted suicide. The doctor or other person merely provides the pill or other means by which the person may kill himself. The main benefit in this is that someone with a hopeless disease or condition can DELAY killing himself past the point where he could do it all by himself. The assisted suicide laws actually prolong his life. Now tell me what is wrong with that. Tell me, do you really want to have a law that prevents a person who wants to die via assisted suicide from doing so? What gives you, or even the majority of voters, the right to deny him that choice?Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: umair127 on August 23, 2014, 01:37:36 PM Gallows humor, by the way. It's a serious subject but a person, if already down, could spiral into depression if it weren't leavened.
Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: umair127 on August 23, 2014, 01:40:15 PM I realize not everyone has what it takes to do what my friend did, and I can't honestly say I do...but I WANT to be like him, so do hundreds of folks who watched him, and yes, IMO, that is the culture I want to live in. One that values REAL courage, and REAL compassion, and REAL life, all of which I think are turned upside down in state sanctioned murder. You are the one manipulating the meaning of words to try to advance your argument. It is not murder. It is not euthanasia. The person wanting to die is the person who does the killing in assisted suicide. The doctor or other person merely provides the pill or other means by which the person may kill himself. The main benefit in this is that someone with a hopeless disease or condition can DELAY killing himself past the point where he could do it all by himself. The assisted suicide laws actually prolong his life. Now tell me what is wrong with that. Tell me, do you really want to have a law that prevents a person who wants to die via assisted suicide from doing so? What gives you, or even the majority of voters, the right to deny him that choice?Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: noviapriani on August 23, 2014, 01:43:06 PM I realize not everyone has what it takes to do what my friend did, and I can't honestly say I do...but I WANT to be like him, so do hundreds of folks who watched him, and yes, IMO, that is the culture I want to live in. One that values REAL courage, and REAL compassion, and REAL life, all of which I think are turned upside down in state sanctioned murder. You are the one manipulating the meaning of words to try to advance your argument. It is not murder. It is not euthanasia. The person wanting to die is the person who does the killing in assisted suicide. The doctor or other person merely provides the pill or other means by which the person may kill himself. The main benefit in this is that someone with a hopeless disease or condition can DELAY killing himself past the point where he could do it all by himself. The assisted suicide laws actually prolong his life. Now tell me what is wrong with that. Tell me, do you really want to have a law that prevents a person who wants to die via assisted suicide from doing so? What gives you, or even the majority of voters, the right to deny him that choice?Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: umair127 on August 23, 2014, 01:55:40 PM Quote The main benefit in this is that someone with a hopeless disease or condition can DELAY killing himself past the point where he could do it all by himself. The assisted suicide laws actually prolong his life. No, the main benefit is a doctor does your dirty work, with the approval of the village to validate you taking the easier way out FOR YOU, but not those you leave behind.Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: noviapriani on August 23, 2014, 02:51:17 PM Quote The main benefit in this is that someone with a hopeless disease or condition can DELAY killing himself past the point where he could do it all by himself. The assisted suicide laws actually prolong his life. No, the main benefit is a doctor does your dirty work, with the approval of the village to validate you taking the easier way out FOR YOU, but not those you leave behind.Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: noviapriani on August 23, 2014, 02:58:43 PM I see. So you and yours get to decide how I die simply because you have the majority vote? Majority votes supercede any personal rights, or just the right to die as one chooses to? That sounds awfully risky to me when you might someday not be in the majority. I suspect then you'd scream to the world about how no one else should decide how and when you die. How about we ban all use of any painkiller, even on a deathbed, that to ANY degree will hasten one's death? Is that fine with you, so I could not take the "easy way" out? FYI, drugs like morphine already are commonly used in every state for what amounts to doctor assisted suicide at the end stages of cancer, etc. So it still amounts to suicide, but unfortunately only after the person has had to endure great suffering that could have been avoided if our laws gave better protection to the doctors.
Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: zolace on August 23, 2014, 03:06:47 PM I see. So you and yours get to decide how I die simply because you have the majority vote? Majority votes supercede any personal rights, or just the right to die as one chooses to? That sounds awfully risky to me when you might someday not be in the majority. I suspect then you'd scream to the world about how no one else should decide how and when you die. How about we ban all use of any painkiller, even on a deathbed, that to ANY degree will hasten one's death? Is that fine with you, so I could not take the "easy way" out? FYI, drugs like morphine already are commonly used in every state for what amounts to doctor assisted suicide at the end stages of cancer, etc. So it still amounts to suicide, but unfortunately only after the person has had to endure great suffering that could have been avoided if our laws gave better protection to the doctors. if you have ever worked in or visited an assisted living facility, you'd see that there is very little "living." I can fully understand and appreciate the desire to end that torture. Our society should give those suffering, like Robin Williams, a more dignified way out. "It does not communicate "you spared me"...it communicates "I'll rather die than be with you". There is no "being with you" when in a vegetative state. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: umair127 on August 23, 2014, 03:13:16 PM Most major religions and large denoms of our majority Christian population support their respective version of the sanctity of life, the exceptions are those which are heavily based or influenced by humanist tenets. It doesn't always follow that what the individual or majority of religions believe is immoral should be reflected in law....I don't ascribe to that view because there are lots of things which the government has no compelling interest to prevent heathens from doing if they are only harming themselves or other consenting adults. If someone wants to kill themselves, I wouldn't stand on "moral principle" to make that illegal per se because once they are dead, what in the world can you do to them that would matter? But the problem with suicide is that if it is not made illegal, then you have no authority to try to stop someone in process and get them help. Furthermore, assisted suicide (another euphemism) is not just the person offing themselves, it is the sanctioning of a government authorized doctor to kill you with your permission. So setting aside the morality, how do we logically reconcile that we need to keep suicide illegal so we can intervene to stop someone who wants to do it themselves with making suicide legal as long as it is someone else killing you after you beg for permission from Big Brother? That is about the screwiest justification of a "personal right" there is, not to mention compassion. Very well stated. I'd only add that I lived with my mom while she died of lung cancer a few years ago. Nothing very graciousabout it, but it did give us six months to discover two people neither of us knew existed before that. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: sana8410 on August 23, 2014, 03:15:02 PM I see. So you and yours get to decide how I die simply because you have the majority vote? Majority votes supercede any personal rights, or just the right to die as one chooses to? That sounds awfully risky to me when you might someday not be in the majority. I suspect then you'd scream to the world about how no one else should decide how and when you die. How about we ban all use of any painkiller, even on a deathbed, that to ANY degree will hasten one's death? Is that fine with you, so I could not take the "easy way" out? FYI, drugs like morphine already are commonly used in every state for what amounts to doctor assisted suicide at the end stages of cancer, etc. So it still amounts to suicide, but unfortunately only after the person has had to endure great suffering that could have been avoided if our laws gave better protection to the doctors. if you have ever worked in or visited an assisted living facility, you'd see that there is very little "living." I can fully understand and appreciate the desire to end that torture. Our society should give those suffering, like Robin Williams, a more dignified way out. "It does not communicate "you spared me"...it communicates "I'll rather die than be with you". There is no "being with you" when in a vegetative state. Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: zolace on August 23, 2014, 03:21:35 PM Here is a transcript of a FRONTLINE program, from 2012 I think, that includes non-physicians assisting in some way, often just with information to avoid being prosecuted as a criminal.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/social-issues/suicide-plan/transcript-33/ Here is a 2010 FRONTLINE show "Suicide Tourist". Thankfully, American states are starting to come around and put common sense and individual rights above the religious dogma of people wanting to control the lives of others by imposing their religious views upon them. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/suicidetourist/view/ Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: sana8410 on August 23, 2014, 03:33:39 PM Here is a transcript of a FRONTLINE program, from 2012 I think, that includes non-physicians assisting in some way, often just with information to avoid being prosecuted as a criminal. fun, I watched that in its entirety when it came out. Very powerful and thought provoking. I think anyone interested in the subject, and why wouldn't we be, would benefit from watching it. Actually we know why; our own mortality is a taboo subject for many.http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/social-issues/suicide-plan/transcript-33/ Here is a 2010 FRONTLINE show "Suicide Tourist". Thankfully, American states are starting to come around and put common sense and individual rights above the religious dogma of people wanting to control the lives of others by imposing their religious views upon them. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/suicidetourist/view/ Title: Re: Suicide tourism? Post by: Hash Master on August 25, 2014, 01:50:42 PM "Suicide tourism" is a very wrong name of the whole concept. If I was dying of a painful disease, like cancer, I would ask for whatever got rid of the pain and take in as much as I needed, whether it killed me or not. I don't want to be in pain at the end of my life. I want to die in bliss.If you haven't seen with your eyes what a cancer disease can do, than maybe that's the right term. These people are in immense physical pain, so choosing to die with dignity is the best someone can let them do, since they have already lost control over their bodies and obviously - the battle with cancer. Doing it yourself is no better than dying in pain. If you kill yourself in the comfort of your own home, you are automatically inflicting a huge damage on your family's psyche. Like "hi honey, sorry you're finding me like this, but the society thinks its weird to travel to Switzerland just to kill myself. i left you some money for therapy sessions, since you will certainly develop PTSD after finding my cold dead body in our bedroom". Like... It's sad. Doing it the "legal" way is actually saving the damages that will be caused the other way. And talking about being a burden, it might not be a burden for the ones that are taking care of the ill person, but he/she will surely feel that way. You don't want to leave this world feeling guilty that you're keeping you family stuck in that situation. You're dying anyway, the best thing to do is convince your family to move on. We all have our opinions. I don't know what would I do if I ever find myself in a similar situation. I guess it takes balls to take the decision to end your life whether alone or with a bit of help. Either way, it's the sad reality we live in. |