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Servers : us1.ghash.io   with port 3333
User    : username.worker  - auto creates workers!
Password: anypassword

Servers : stratum.bitcoin.cz   with port 3333
User    : username.worker
Password: password

Servers : stratum-lb-usa48.btcguild.com   with port 3333
User    : username_worker
Password: anypassword

Servers : geo.bitcoindigger.com   with port 3333
User    : username.worker  - auto creates workers!
Password: anypassword

cd C:\Program Files (x86)\bfgminer-4.7.0-win64
bfgminer -o stratum.antpool.com:3333 -u username_worker -p anypassword --stratum-port 3333 --set-device PXY:diff=512

cd C:\Program Files (x86)\bfgminer-4.7.0-win64
bfgminer -o stratum.btcguild.com:3333 -u username_worker -p anypassword --stratum-port 3333 --set-device PXY:diff=512

cd C:\Program Files (x86)\bfgminer-4.7.0-win64
bfgminer -o us1.ghash.io:3333 -u username_worker -p anypassword --stratum-port 3333 --set-device PXY:diff=512

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Great guide Dogie the pictures are amazing as always. Will you provide information on over clocking I see you have said it will achieve 920gh/s over clocked how stable is that?

Thanks dogie.

A few questuons:

1) I have my fan pushing air through. Should I deassemble?
2) The fan is loud for anyplace people will be. Have you tried a 2 fan method?
3) What do the settings reclock etc do?
4) any method for temp sensing?

Thx

A few notes - I've assembled over 30 of these things, and the easiest process I found was to lay out the heatsinks, stick on the thermal pads, stick on the PCBs, then assemble into the housing. This kept all screws (there are 164 total, not 168) visible at each step as you don't have to fight with the endcaps to access some of the board screws.

Additionally, mmpool.org was tested functional with Tubes.

Unless there's something I've overlooked in the last week of jacking with the software on these, Tubes do not speak Getwork so using slush's standard proxy will not work with port 8332. Additionally using slush as a stratum forwarder will not work because of the extranonce2 length issue. I have just tested this with the version you linked to and found it to still be the case. www.gekkoscience.com/misc/mining_proxy.py should work on linux and incorporates the code required to fix that problem with slush-based pools (I've been using it on ozcoin successfully for a week). Additionally https://bitbucket.org/ckolivas/ckpool run in proxy mode (ckpool -p) has the same fixes.

1) Pushing is suboptimal but still fine, its what some of the OEMs like HashRatio use to work with their hot/cold isle arrangement.
2) I thought about publishing with 2 fan straight away, but its going to be cost inefficient and over silly things. You're going to need to get hold of a second set of those longer screws and potentially another set of washers to get the right length of screws. AND, potentially a cable extender if the cable doesnt come with 20cm as standard.
3) Reclock activates the on the fly overclock/underclock.
4) No, but BE200 isn't temperature sensitive unless something is very wrong.

Thanks Dogie.


To those doing a 2 miner daisychain those dip switch settings are very important> I could not get all 8 blades to hash until I copied dogies pin out settings.  Notice all boards count in order 1 to 8. If you daisy-chain and set the boards wrong the controller does not pick all of them up.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/911/zGZ002.png

Yeah 164. I agree with you, but it also increases the potential for damage and its not significantly easier [I've used both methods multiple times]. The endcaps aren't a problem with a thin screwdriver.

mmpool is too small for me to list.

I was told Slush's original had the en2 fixes included and it was built for windows. Neither ckpool or gekko run on windows which is the problem. I'll have to remove Slush for now then.

Pulled link as requested. I was wondering do you know if  FC plans to update the controller's software. To have an auto pool switch option like the antminer s-3's have?

You can do it manually via BFG proxy if its critical for now

The BFG proxy starts showing "error from bufferevent" and crashes the controller.

great guide, dogie

have you encountered problems with controller saving settings?
i can save only when hashing cable is disconnected or miners are off. (i got 5 chained)

have you noticed randomly chips going off after longer operation?
soft controller rebot wake them up.

i got 39/40 thermal pads, is it normal or am i unlucky ? ;)

can you measure hashing speed, power consumption and temperature at diffrent frequencies?

any hints on undervoltage those boards? in few months/weeks they will mine less then power bill.

I'll talk to Novak about getting a Windows build of our slush fork up sometime. Right now he's a bit busy figuring out the UART protocol to see what we can do about making a better controller.

I guess I don't see the potential for damage, so long as your fingers were not buttered beforehand. Additionally if you don't need a thin screwdriver and careful finagling, the entire thing can be done with a power driver and #2 philips bit. I was using a Porter Cable 18V screwgun to assemble all 31 tubes, had zero issues.



Here's the numbers I got, off one of our D750 PSU kits. No temperature data.

MHz   GH   IAC   VAC   WAC   W/GH
270   829   4.4   212   933   1.13
260   799   4.25   212   901   1.13
250   768   4.1   213   873   1.14
240   737   3.9   213   831   1.13
230   707   3.8   213   809   1.14
220   676   3.6   213   767   1.13
210   645   3.5   213   746   1.16
200   614   3.3   213   703   1.14

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=735982.msg8544454#msg8544454

Once Novak's done playing with my test Tube for controller stuff I'll probably look at hacking the VRMs for undervolting and get some performance data.

at leadtek platinium 1150 i got
229W at one board with fan
so D750 is not so efficient :)

As the 750W PSU was at 110-115% load and well WELL past its peak efficiency, also being used hardware with unknown life already, comparing a different load on a probably relatively new platinum-rated PSU at 20% rated output is sorta irrelevant. If you quadruple your load and subtract an erroneous 20W from fans, you're still about 900W and only 80% load so closer to peak efficiency point. Hook up about six boards to your PSU and see what the efficiency looks like, that'll be a comparable measurement.

Additionally my current meter only had one decimal of precision, so if you care about sigfigs the numbers aren't that reliable, could be high or low (which is mentioned in the linked post). In any case, D750 is definitely not a recommended option for these Tubes as they draw well over the rated load and reliability at such loads is questionable at best. The numbers given are for reference and estimation only.

i will post some results later

i had few toys to play

deus 650, 600
xfx 850+br,550+br,550TS  (all seasonic, branded by xfx)
dell900W
leadtek 1150plat
lketc 1TH 1200W dragon psu (forgot name)

they are consuming around 1,05-1,15j/GH

will mod cooling too (got various fans)

thanks for your feedback

PS. I am waiting for pencil/cap mod (voltage play) tutorial

Known bug, only solution is to hard reset BFGMiner and the controller for now.

I've not seen that before. By miners do you mean mining boards or Tubes (ie 5x4 mining boards?).

Chips shouldn't be dropping out, they should either be there or not. What PSU are you running? Are you absolutely sure all the screws are in good and tight?

270 and 300 results are in the OP, measured pre PSU. Its not really worth doing anything more detailed because the units are quite variable outside stock speed, whether you use 4 or 8 PCI-E, 16 or 18AWG, 20C or 40C ambients etc. The results just end up as a giant band of 'its somewhere in here' which isn't very useful. We don't know any meaningful temperatures because there are no on die (or other) probes on BE200s for cost. They're not temperature sensitive anyway, as you can see by the lack of top side heatsinks. Edit: Its worth mentioning I have these PCBs from 4 different OEMs and they all perform rather differently.

I'm sure someone will work out a pencil mod when we need it, we have all the schematics.

How much airflow do you think these need? I have a quiet fan I attached, but the flow is very minimal compared to stock...

As much as stock provides really, remember we're removing 800-900W of heat with a single 120mm fan. Thats 3x what the Cube was doing and more than any other miner on the market. The Cube's stock fan is already on the lower side of airflow compared to what other OEMs are using, I really wouldn't recommend lowering it if you want your boards to last any amount of time.

What's the CFM on the stock fan?

Tempted to get more of these tube miners but frustrated that it won't work with miningrigrentals type of pools.

Also here is a youtube video of me assembling it with some tips:

http://youtu.be/zEL5EKWwBx0

Its less about CFM and more about static pressure which is hard to measure and impossible to compare against anything other than server fans. You can try and track down the data sheet for HashRatio's 120mm Nidec Beta V TA450DC to compare as ASICMiner's fan is generic/unmarked.

You should be able to use any type of pool using the proxy.

I'm really sorry to see this as the accepted solution and AM are not addressing it.

Its not the solution, its a workaround.

Dogie how many tubes would you recommend be used per controller board for stability?
What are common factors that effect stability?

Also congratulations on 4000 forum posts.

The controller is fine dealing with 8 but then every time you take one down for maintenance you take half the chain down with it. Temperatures and using the wrong PSUs are the main factors. I have lots of CX750s (http://goo.gl/plP2rp) from the good old days and while two of them can power 4 or 5 boards between them, getting 6 out of them is very difficult. RM1000s (http://goo.gl/R9aQQ5) are infinitely more suited to the task.

wonderful thx dogie, tipped (https://blockchain.info/tx/218c16e59ec537cd3b710ec8376cc8cb79308a1244670f47a4c8fd3685e2a64e)! :)

I know it's a workaround. What I'm telling you is I've seen this pattern before and that's all AM will do about it and it will be the solution.

What would you suggest?

Maintain pressure on the manufacturer since these are aimed squarely at the hobbyist miner which is all we have left as a community here.

Thanks

What I figure on doing is helping Novak trace the protocol, cook up a cgminer driver that talks to the boards directly, and then probably not buy ASICMiner hardware again. I know my business is small but I've always enjoyed messing with their hardware and this is a fairly heavy dropped ball that turns things pretty sour.

Yeah this is a pretty good piece of gear. I am babysitting the controller.  I don't mind using the hated ghash even though right now I am running my 2 tube daisy chain (sounds like a porn film .)
at mmpool.  A controller with 2 pools auto switching using a free choice of  any two pools is not much to ask for.

I agree.  Especially since this solution/workaround sucks, to put it mildly.  BFGMiner regularly freezes the controller!  That is completely unacceptable as a solution.

thats the highest GH ive seen so far and one board is having problems lol

Really very good thankyou for this info we just recieved 5 units of these miners and waitng on rest of our order, i do want to comment the folowing,
1: packaging is not the best we recieved one unit with suport base bent and one of the R44 BUSTED.( i guess that board will not hash)
2: WE PAID FOR ASSEMBLED UNITS AND THEY SENT THERMAL PADS NOT INSTALLED.(to me that means no quality control !, i hope my units run well will advise)
As far as the erruptor is concerned i would like to verify , the ones i recieved say 5 volts input,( not 12v) please advise, and thankyou again for the most thorough guide in setup.

I don't know about running them without thermal pads...  Usually in the PC space that's a big no-no.  Be careful.

The controller has an internal switching DC regulator, and works with a range of DC inputs. I've got controllers running both 5V and 12V with no issues.

wait so do you need to unscrew all the boards or did you somehow get extra pads?

The stats are garbage, he was only running for 7 minutes but on 6000 difficulty. Thats the equivalent of 40 seconds on 500 difficulty.

Lol thanks

Do not run without thermal pads!!!!

I am running two and I used the adapter that runs off your PSU, https://buyahash.com/shop/molex-4-pin-gridseed-power-plug-2-1mm-dc-barrel-plug/

They are absolutely 12V and will not work at 5V. I have no idea who was responsible for labelling the cases as 5V.

Is that a misprint do you mean will not work at 5volt?


Here is the deal 1 device just one device the little silver controller device  that I want fc to program better
yeah that one absolutely  positively works at 5volts.

The 4 boards need pcie at 12 volts.

 Here are my 2 running right now daisychained on 1 controller. I will take a photo.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/902/0p9Yj8.jpg

The DC/DC chip on ethernet controller handles inputs from 5 to 12V. We tested cases of 5V and 12V and both work.

We also tested the temperature using thermal pads and not using. There are only negligible differences. This is why we marked them as optional. On the other hand, the current thermal pad solution may introduce bubbles which worsens the temperature in some local area. So we do no install them by default, but still ship them along in case there is any rare situation when the back of PCB is damaged and becomes conductive.

 thanks for the info.  how about a better gui on the controller?  2 auto switching pools  of my choice not  just the few that it allows .  Although a 2 pool auto switching  controller with ghash and mmpool would be better then what you sold us. I can not watch my gear 24/7/365 to switch pools if the pool crashes.

Oh thank you for compensation Canary gave it to me.

Thanks for the info, so if you don't use the thermal pads or any paste it won't void the boards warranty?

I did notice today when I pulled a bad board to send back to Canary the pad had developed 2 large bubbles in it and I had it good and flat when I installed it. Would you recommend not using it?

Nice guide as always mate. Love the pictures  ;)

Thanks

I installed my boards the same way you would install a cylinder head on an engine, center to end alternating sides.  I figure this will minimize

bubbles.

Once again...no response from FC on the GUI.

Sadly, to be expected.  If you recall, the BE blades where NEVER updated.  And everyone begged for stratum support.

If you really think GHash.io is going to go down (along with 30% of the network), buy a $20 Pi and use BFGMiner as a passthrough proxy. You can set up as many redundant pools as you want for as many miners as you want if you set miner difficulty properly.


They fundamentally weren't updatable without equipment no one has though, same here. See a USB port?

That must be by design in software.  Both devices have Ethernet connectivity.  An application could be deployed that could update the firmware

over tcp or ftp, if the software is already setup to do this.  The controller for the tubes has a "system" port, 7478 I believe.  Maybe that is for

updating the firmware (I hope!).

Oh okay, yes there is a chance you can update the controllers - I thought you were referring to the board firmwares. At the price of the controllers though, if ANYONE can get a fix and can ghetto hack a fix onto a controller they might as well buy a box and ship them out globally as they're cheap enough and cheap person only needs one.

Fair. Any idea how much static pressure this fan generates?

Edit: this is 3.1mmH2O - http://www.corsair.com/en-us/air-series-sp120-pwm-high-performance-edition-high-static-pressure-fan

Aka 30.4 Pa to the civilised world. Its still not going to be much compared to the 37.5mm fans though.

i can confirm this
thoose fans are very weak...
but they are cooling dragon lketc with no issues.

coolermaster jetflo are much better choice, but i think not enough too

i will test new fans hope they arrive today.

Dogie- any chance for an explanation of the somewhat cryptic options towards the bottom of the settings page?

Specifically

RollNtime[ s]
WakeUp period[ s]
Normal/Smart[0/1]

While the first part of your comment may be valid (it is unlikely GHash.io is going to go down), I refuse to use GHash.io.  I suppose you could argue that's me creating a problem, but the suggested solution of BFGMiner is simply not a solution.  BFGMiner consistently crashes my controller on a NIGHTLY basis.

ckproxy (linux only) can go some way to sanitising these connections. It will allow you to connect to btcguild and slush stratum based pools like slush and ozcoin that I know of but it wont talk to eligius and emc because of the part of the enonce2 that these devices expect to be working on (it's coincidence that ckproxy can sanitise the other pools).

https://bitbucket.org/ckolivas/ckpool

Run it in standalone proxy mode (with the options -p -A)

Flawless Guide. Awesome work Dogie. This will definitely help others.

No sensible noise level 25mm fan will get close to a 37.5mm high static fan with out voodoo.

The corsairs do work as (expensive) second fans though.

BTCGuild can be used directly with stratum-lb-usa48.btcguild.com.

RollNtime is something you will never change, and determines when the pool's packet should expire. I'm not sure why its manually set as I thought its sent as a bit with the work packet. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getwork#rollntime
Don't know the other two.

Same here Steve , i just set up my units  can you tell me how i do the reboot on these Tubes?

Not at this second, no. There are too many cases of unstable units at stock as it is, or damaged units with unknown cause. Most of these are caused by improper power supplies being used, and/or PCI-E cabling, and/or cooling. Once that settles down I will. The other problem is that the OC pushes the unit over the 1KW @ PSU threshold, so all sensible powering solutions go out the window. You end up having to go 2x CX750s (http://goo.gl/wHIAZl) per Tube or 4x RM1000s (http://goo.gl/hSUfR0) per 3 Tubes.

Stop quoting the picture, its not real stats [Only 7 minutes of stats with super high difficulty = random variance]. You can reset your stats with ReSession or restart your unit with Settings -> Update/Restart.

I changed the NRolltime to 150 from 120 and it has reduced the "duplicate share" notifications I was receiving in Bfgminer (proxy).  I was averaging

around 5% rejects due to dups over 24Hr period.  When I changed it to 150, this dropped to about 1.5%. Just an observation. :)

Had a similar issue at some point. Make sure you set diff=n in bfgminer, where n is a max difficulty presented to the miner. From whatbi can tell, without setting it the miner->proxy difficulty stays at 1 even when the proxy->pool difficulty is higher. Bfgminer seems to not pass on the pool difficulty unless you set a max in bfgminer, even if that max is super high. After I did this, my reject rate was comparable to without the proxy. I think the controller or the boards get tripped up at difficulty 1 after some period of time. But I have no hard proof of this, just an observation.

I did.  Set Bfgminer to present 128 diff to the tubes.  Poolside is set to 1024.

Has anyone had a problem where one board shows all "-" dashes in the Test Status page, and doesn't hash at all, while the other three are all working?  I've tried putting it in all four possible positions in the chain, and it seems one board (the same one) always comes up like this:  "Board 04: |---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---| - V:1.41"  

Since it is coming up I assume it is not an issue with how it is assembled (and I even plugged the fan into that board to see if it works, and it did) - could this just be a bad board, or am I missing something?  

doa board.

but sometimes i got same result after longer time of hashing
software reboot wake them up.

It will come up regardless of how well you assembled it (unless you sawed it in half). If its been bent or damaged then it will display this.

Try swapping the power round from another board.

Thanks, looks like its a dead board, it never came alive so rebooting doesn't help, and I get the same result no matter where it is powered (1 or 2 PCI-E).  There's no obvious physical damage.  Is there any reason why I couldn't run 3 together and try to RMA the single board?  Seems like it should work, and I'd rather have 3 going than nothing at all.  And it should be easier to OC 3 with a 1000W power supply.

You can send one back, yes.

assuming 3 tubes can be plugged into one controller......does each tube need a individual IP, or just one for the controller? 

One for the controller

And 8 tubes can be plugged into 1 controller - if you wanted to.

hey Dogie,

there is "5V" marked on my controllers

new low voltage version or just a typo?

typo

you can use 5V or 12V
but amperage must be at least 12W so 5V 2.5A or 12V 1A

This. More likely to drop out at 5V as well.

I can confirm that 3 tubes work off one controller. You just need to set them all to the correct ID's and chain them correctly and they'll come up.

chain them to eachother?

I am trying to avoid that.

I want to plug three tubes directly into the 3 ports on the controller. 

quick question about the now assembled shipped ones:

do they come with cables eachself?
because i got only 7 long and 5 short ones in the controller box

You have to chain them, only the one port works [that I know of].

I can't confirm this.


btw there is another pool working with the BE Controller

btcmp.com
rr.btcmp.com:3333

I'm not saying it will drop out, but if people buy cheaper 5V PSUs then it is much more likely to drop out compared to 12V as you're much closer to the minimum vreg input. Pool is too small for me to list.

have you any problems with controller ?

today i noticed strange thing
after software reboot (to clean some ----) i got all boards at test but 0 hashrate
only hard reboot of controller helped (power off and  power on)

maybe it is overheating? ambient temp 26 celsius :)

The pool is working stable for long time. Then pls change to "my favorit pools" or something, "Only the below pools.."
is wrong. And don't we want a decentralised mining environment ???

If people buy cheap 12V PSU it is more likely that they blow it up...closer to Vmax ;) ;)

Holy fuck, another way I'm clearly biased everything everything under the universe. Its not my favourite pools. Its too easy for the smaller pools to do devious things because they're too small to warrant doing anything against them if they turn sour. If I steal $200 from you, are you going to spend $2,000 on lawyers just to find me? No. If A pool steals $200,000 from clients, are they going to group up and spend $2,000 to find the administrators? They sure are.

There is a size of pool at which I'm not willing to put my name against and recommend because its my opinion that the risks become to great to users. I'm not going to expose my users to that risk.

relax...  :)

I can't follow your argumentation. 50btc, pirate both was big, anybody got BTC back?

yes the pool is small but online since 27-07-2011 without any payout problems (afaik)
I have nothing to do with that pool. I only wanted to point out that there are more pools working fine.

You wrote that the BE controller is only working with "the pools below", what is simply wrong.
So I thought you dont know about that pool, only wanted to help make your guide more comprehensive  :)

Dogie can you send instructions on how to set up an 800 GH ASIC tube from ASIC puppy?

Thats what the entire first post is.

Can one use 12v 2A?  Or just stick with 12v 1A?  


essentially, will this work:  http://www.amazon.com/Amamax-Wall-Adapter-Power-Supply/dp/B006GEPUYA/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1411076631&sr=1-6&keywords=12v+power+supply (http://www.amazon.com/Amamax-Wall-Adapter-Power-Supply/dp/B006GEPUYA/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1411076631&sr=1-6&keywords=12v+power+supply)

A device will only pull what is required. 2a is your maximum, so there is nothing wrong with using 2a adapter, as long as the barrel connector is the right size.

Its like saying can I use a 24W PSU when I only need 12W (which is what is happening here).

Dogie, my tube came without the sheets of thermal compound, do you know what I can use instead ?

They're only strictly required if the hashing boards are damaging and so would be shorted by the aluminium heatsinks.

I used thermal paste (MX-4) and I think it's working well.

But after some time some hashing some "." in the chips are appearing.

They don't appear when the miner is restarted, they appear a while after.

Do you know what can be causing this ?

I'm using a Corsair 850W, maybe the PSU cant handle the Tube ?

That's cutting it close, I would recommend at least a 1000w PSU.

Which 850W?

TX850W

Try just two boards at a time, so that way you know you're not maxing out the PSU capacity wise or the cables. Use all 4 PCI-E cables. Then swap over. If you're still getting .s appearing after time, its heat related.

If no .s, try 3 boards with 1 PCI-E cable each. If you get .s now, you need to get some 2x molex to PCI-E adapters to help reduce the cable loads.
If no .s still, it means you were maxing out the PSU capacity wise and you'll need to get an additional PSU / larger PSU.

Now the tx850w is powering only three boards and a cx750m is powering one board (and one avalon3 290 module).

It's much better now, it really was a power issue.

Thanks.

Hi Dogie,

   You said the Block Erupter Controller Board requires a 12V 1A minimum. Although on my Block Erupter Controller is labeled 5V on the outside. Which is right? Sorry, I just don't want to fry the controller right out of the box. Please clarify this.  :(

Thank you,
Justbyteme

There's whole swaths of posts about this very subject in this very thread.

tldr, can use 5V @ 2.5A min or 12V 1A min

Dogie, where we can keep hitting f5 to check for a new firmware ?

I THINK its at https://github.com/blockerupter/avr_hbc, but they'll publicise it once its ready.

Woah we're potentially getting a firmware update? That's good news.

I didn't say that at all? I was asked where I thought the repository was, so if it was to be published, where it would go up. I said I was guessing at the above link.

...probably why I qualified it with "potentiallly"....

Yes but its the same as saying we're "potentially" going to colonise Neptune...

Woah we're potentially going to colonise Neptune? That's good news.

Probably not, I'm pretty sure that's not the firmware on the BE ethernet controller, its probably the firmware on the miner itself(I don't think the BE ethernet controller has an AVR chip but I think the miner does). The BE ethernet controller uses a PIC chip(should be this http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?product=PIC32MX795F512L). The closest repo for the BE ethernet controller seemed to be this one https://github.com/dyzz/picminer which is probably an earlier version. I'm not sure how you would go about upgrading the BE ethernet controller firmware other than with a PIC kit since it doesn't seem to have a built in flash feature unless the "system port" can be used for that.

Please do a setup guide for the Prisma 1.4Th/s miner. Thank You.

Need Prisma first X_X Think friedcat is on holiday?

Hello , someone will have idea about what may be going to the board 11 which stopped working from one moment to another
https://i.imgur.com/5bW35r9l.png

I lost a hashboard a few days ago.  Today I got a chance to pull it from the heat sink and find the burnt core.  Originally I thought I could cut it out (like the old avalons).  Instead I popped out R44, I lost 2 extra cores in doing this, but at least I have an operational hash board again.  I hope this is of use to someone out there.

Dogie, Do you have any info on the USB adapters that could be used with the Tube ?

I will not buy a Prisma, but I would like to use the USB adapter + Cubieboard with my two tubes.

Potentially in my Prisma guide if it comes with a USB adapter.

This doesn't occur with other pools? O.o
Any idea what triggers it?

I don't have more info on it as I didn't use BFG as a proxy, have to wait for others to comment.

Network solving a block it seems.  Had to switch to Ghash.io because of this.

I am having a problem all of a sudden..my be controller is not being recognized but the lights are coming on..? I have reset it and tried manually setting the address but I am still having no luck. Is it possible I fried this thing? It gets hot. I appreciate anyones feedback.

EDIT::I am getting blinking lights when eth is inserted..? I cannot find on network however..?

I had mine do the same thing...controller was dead for me. You should try and get one of those USB adapters and use a Pi. The BE controllers are junk.

I have installed my PRISMA via BE controller
I have done all settings to the controller, changed gw and primary dns to the IP of the router, changed controller's IP to the router's class
Everything seems to work fine, I have entered the BTCGUILD stratrum server etc.

problem is : my PRISMA is running at 550 GH/S only
Why ?

Need screenshots

Hey dogie great guide as always :)

Did anyone manage to find quieter fans for these? The standard one on my tube is driving me nuts :-\

Quietening kit (http://goo.gl/hJG9xv). Same for the Prisma as well.

Thank you very much :). Do you recommend one on the front of each tube in place of the standard fan or both on one tube front and rear?

You might *just* be able to get away with one if you have a cold ambient but its really pushing it. I'd recommend two (one front one back), you'll get similar airflow but an acceptable, lower pitched noise.

That's great thanks very much, I've ordered what you recommended ( from ebay though as I had some paypal funds to use up ). I'll let you know how I get on with them.

Is there any way of telling operating temperature of these do you know? I can't see it in software stats anywhere.

No that's why you have to be careful, BE200s don't have onboard thermal sensors.

Ok thanks I thought that might have been the case.

RE your PM about airflow, anything we put on will be less than the stock as the stock prioritises low temperatures over anything else. That doesn't mean that our solution isn't sufficient though.

BFG proxy cutting out requiring a controller reboot is a known problem unfortunately, no solution.

Ignore smart/normal, we don't need it (and not actually sure what it is).

So the best sollution is use a supported pool - or use another proxy like ckpool ?

I like the ncurse Interface in BFGMiner - ist it possible to use proxy chaining ?

Regards
Stefan

Yes that makes sense really, I'm sure most people aren't bothered by the noise especially if its in a 'mining facility'.

To be honest I'm absolutely amazed in the reduction in noise now with the 2 Corsair fans over the stock fan. Thank you so much for suggesting the idea!

I'd say the noise has reduced by 80% and is now hardly noticeable in the corner of my small office. As I mentioned before the stock fan was giving me a headache after half an hour being in the room.

Try living with an SP10 10m away from you for 4 months.

Supported pool, or find an asicminer usb adapter and use cgminer on a Pi or windows PC.

You mean find a working USB adapter...

What do you mean by "USB Adapter" ? Is there a way to replace the BE Controller with an USB Controller ?

Regards
Stefan

Be patient, Prisma guide is coming.

Yes, but good luck getting them from ASICMiner.  It's basically the same as any other CP2102 USB-UART adapter except for a 1K resistor on the RXD line.  I have a diy thread covering how to build one.  We're also considering building a batch if enough people are interested.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857048 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857048)

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novak

If anyone can help that would be great :).

I've changed the front stock fan on one of my tubes for 2 Corsair fans, one front, one rear. I did this to reduce noise in my small office which it has done by probably 80%.

I'm wondering because the stock ( front ) fan is 110 cfm and I've swapped it for 2 Corsair air series SP120 PWM high performance edition high pressure fans ( front and rear in push / pull configuration ) each rated at 62.74 cfm whether I'm getting better cooling / airflow because 62.75 x 2 = 125.5 or is it still cooling less than the stock fan?

I cant imagine having 2 x 62.75 fans one in front of the other would double airflow. I'm assuming the airflow would stay the same for some reason ???

Any help appreciated.

Two things at play here, the relationship between cfm and pressure, and two in series. A fan acts the same as a pump when its on that enclosed heatsink.

Fans are rating at a cfm for a certain static pressure it has to overcome. In the case of the stock fan, it likely had a higher than normal resistance through the length of the tube and so was running at a lower cfm than 110. In the case of the 2x Corsairs, its likely they had much less of a reduction as they're both doing ~half the work to overcome the static pressure.

When pumps are run in series, head pressure goes up and the flow rate slightly. In our system, this means a minor/moderate increase in cfm and much less reduction in cfm from static pressure.

tldr, both systems will meet in the middle (110 down, 63 up), but its hard to tell what the middle is.

Here is a link to a working setup using a random CP2102

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=865503.msg9597271#msg9597271

Have fun.

Thanks again for your time and detailed reply, that makes perfect sense :)


Thanks for the link nice use of the fan :). On a side note I'd make sure none of that wiring is near anything flammable ;). When modifying wiring be extra careful with location because it can cause a fire risk unless you know what you're doing and its done to a high standard.

Can anyone please tell me what difficulty they use? I'm not sure whether it should be 512 or 1024?

Either, will make no difference.

Ok thanks :)

Hi dogie,
like always: thanks dogie! Your guids are extremly helpful!

I'd just have another question: Can I control my this miner with another device as the BE Controller?

Thanks in advance

With one of the USB adapters, anything that runs cgminer

There exist USB adapters that don't need to be modded? :D

This might be a stretch, but does anyone have an extra BE Tube controller they'd be willing to sell me? PM me if you have one please, trying to avoid paying ~$50 new, and have 2 that died on me.

Yes, provided with Prismas.

I just had a few questions:

1 - I have a rpi that I used previously when I had block erupters and I would like to use it for mining with a tube. I was going to use Minera but have been unable to find anything on how to set this up. Right now I do not have the USB-UART that comes with prismas but I do have a BE controller that I am running it on right now. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to setup the rpi as a proxy. Anyone know where a set of instructions are?
2 - Does anyone know if Minera can use the adafruit screen on the pi?
3 - Does anyone sell just the USB-UART Adapter? I would love to just plug in my tube straight to the rpi but havent been able to find one yet.

Thanks

I do.  I just ordered all the parts so it'll be a couple weeks until I can ship, but if you're desperate I can tell you how to make one yourself with any commercially available CP2102 USB-UART adapter, although to make it look nice you should buy specific ones and swap SMD parts.  Neither requires any equipment beyond a basic soldering iron, although SMD parts do require some dexterity and tweezers are nice.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=882348.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=882348.0)

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novak

Wow that's pretty awful IMO.

Yeah that is pretty bad I agree. Luckily enough these seem to run ok with either 1 x standard fan (noisy) or 2 x Corsair high performance fans (quiet). I've been running both mine on twin Corsairs for a few weeks now without any problems. Upside is massively reduced noise, probably 80% quieter than the stock fan, I can hardly hear mine running.

Main problems with these is the pools you can use. Most pools don't like asicminer tubes, some do though. I've been running mine on www.bitcoinaffiliatenetwork.com (http://www.bitcoinaffiliatenetwork.com) and www.bitcoin.cz (http://www.bitcoin.cz) and been ok solo mining on www.solomining.com (http://www.solomining.com).

This is my first one...just picked it up.  So far I'm not really impressed.  The PSU-Miner ratio makes it even more messy than usual.  No *good* stats page.  I'm connecting to guild w/out any issues but it would still be nice to have other options.
Have to say for me this one is not a winner.

I haven't been up long enough to collect any usable stats but so far the hash rate is about the only positive.  It's clocked @ 270 and hashing over 800 with (almost) no h/w errors.

I agree they are messy requiring 4 pci-e cables and the software is very, very basic. It would be nice to have access to some more detailed stats... Not working on most pools is my main issue. Only being able to enter a single pools details is another thing I have issue with, not being able to enter any backup pools is annoying if your first goes down...

As mentioned I've got 2, I'm running them @290 and averaging about 850GH/s. I did try running @300 for 900+GH/s but it tripped out my psu a couple of times (Corsair RM1000) because it was pulling too much power. 300 would probably be ok with a more powerful psu.

If it wasn't for the half decent mining speed for the money and relative quietness I would considered getting rid of these. However, they have been mining 24/7 for several weeks now pretty much faultlessly and are generating just enough btc to cover their electricity cost and enough heat to warm my office at home now its winter here in the UK so its not all bad :).

Yea I'm on the hunt for a PSU now.  I had it hooked up with 4 PSU's yesterday..lol
On the plus side the cables were all surprisingly cool.
It is a beast hashing, I'll give them that.

Ha ha 4 psu's bet that was cluttered, I had my first tube running off 2 x CX750's and that was cluttered enough. Both mine are currently running off RM1000's, if I had to buy another psu to run one I'd go for something a little more powerful so they can be oc'd to the maximum. Finding something with 4 x twin pci-e cables to feed the 8 pci-e connections is the tricky part. I like the AX1200 but its double the price of an RM1000 and will never even come close to return the extra cost in the additional overclocked hasrate.

Dogies psu guide is a handy source of info if you haven't seen it already: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=486121 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=486121)

The twins miss their brother ;) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=886325. Anything past 300 isn't viable, and 300s aren't going to happen on every tube without dropping some chips (which defeats the purpose).

If you've got a PSU that can do the wattage but only has 2 PCI-E cable rails, you can use 2x molex to PCI-E adapters to make up the other 2 rails. Remember to mix and match though, so 1 PCI-E and one 2x molex PCI-E per board.

Yeah I bet they do :D. 290 seems to be optimal for the 2 I've got + psu's, I'm happy with their performance @ 850GH/s.

That's a good point :).

Wow so after mining with this thing for 2.5 days I think my controller just shit the bed.  It won't mine and the ping is totally inconsistent...just drops off for about a minute...then comes back...then drops off... rinse/repeat.

So now I have a dead soldier until I can research & get some kind of replacement....less than one week from Christmas...nice.

We have some controllers that are CrazyGuy's leftovers from hosting, ask him and he might sell you one we can ship out. Or grab one of Novak's USB adapters in the group buys and run it off cgminer.

That could also happen if its not mining / pool / network settings have gone bad. The units reset every ~100 seconds when no mining is detected.

Also check the units I.P. address is still what it should be same with your pool settings though the software just in case you've touched the reset button on the controller by mistake.

Well at least I'm not someone who has been in the IT industry for 20+ years...ohh wait.....

yeaaaa.....it's fine.  I fat fingered the dam pool and it was just rebooting cause wrong.
Still kinda sux that it does that but I have to take the blame for this one  :-[

on the plus side (when you don't *k up the config) it hashes like a beast.  I compromised on my PSU setup and am running two Thermaltake 850's and it seems pretty happy.  Stock clock (270) she is pulling 900w through an APC 1500 and all cables and plugs are cool to the touch.  Still wish I had a temp reading on the boards but I thought I noticed someone had an IR app for an android...gotta see if there is one for the iPhone.

Glad you got it sorted, its pretty easy to get the pool details wrong, I've done it enough times ;).

Don't know whether you're interested but there's a couple of threads where Novac has built a usb controller for tubes and prismas which will allow you to use these on any pool I think rather than the select few available at the moment. They will control your tube via a pc, raspberry pi or beaglebone using cgminer. This replaces the tubes original controller with inherent problems.

The DIY thread is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857048 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857048) and the group buy thread is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=882348 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=882348).

I've ordered myself some, they're dirt cheap (only $4.50 ea.) and he sorts out very reasonable shipping rates. I'm getting 3 sent to the UK with economy shipping for 0.0635 which I think is very good.

Thx hedgy I'm going to check that out.  I'm looking to get a rpi just for the fun of it. There was a post in the fish pool that said the tubes would work using bfgminer but I haven't been able to get it to work or confirm that anyone else has. 

No problem :). Same here with the rpi, been looking around not sure which one to get to be honest as I haven't had one before...

I'm not sure about bfgminer I'm afraid but like cgminer so that'll do me :D.

If by "work with bfgminer" you mean that they can run off of bfgminer using a usb adapter, I cannot confirm that, haven't even checked. 

If you mean that you can use bfgminer as a proxy, than I can confirm first that it works, and secondly that you will probably not get bfgminer to run more than an hour or so at a time as a tube proxy without crashing.  I haven't heard of anyone getting bfgminer to work reliably as a proxy.

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novak

I have managed to get bfgminer working as a proxy reliably for weeks at a time.

Usually if it has issues, it's not bfgminer but the pool problems.

It's on a ubuntu VM though and not a raspberry pi.

Hi,

If anyone can help me with this that would be great!


Is it even possible to use the Asictube as the primary (host)
on a Block Erupter controller

With a Prisma (2nd on daisy chain from the Asictube)

Followed by another Prisma (3rd on daisy chain)

This is what I'm trying to accomplish.



As of typing this..

If the Asictube is standalone (last white cable is not connected to anything)
Then the Asictube will fire up and mine just fine.


I have two used Prisma's now that I bought on eBay..

Been trying to daisy chain them.
I also have the Rasberry Pi controller with Minerva... but I'm not even sure how to configure that (prefer not to if it can be avoided)
It came with the two Prisma's I ordered.

I have tested all the leads for 12 volts (using mulitmeter) so we can rule that option out in troubleshooting.



I've been using this guide at beginning of thread (and the one for Prisma)


Board Configuration:

Here's another part I'm not certain about. Perhaps someone knows answer to this..
When linking those white cable's (A to B > A to B > A to B... or however it's written on boards as long as they alternate)

I'm pretty sure I start from the one closest to fan power connection.
I know the Asictube is lined up correctly because it operates when not on daisy chain.

The Prisma I believe starts from the fan and alternates (those are labeled x51 and x52; but I checked and at least made sure they all alternate)


Another gray area.. (not sure here either)
For the switches (1 through 5 toggles on each switch)
Does it matter which BOARD I start with?
Does it matter which BOARD goes second in the series (do they even have to be in a series)?

I think the guide says BOARD1, BOARD2, etc... but how do I know which is BOARD1, BOARD2, etc...?

When setting it up; I just started from the bottom board.. (not sure if that's 1,2,3, or 4...)
then I set that up as board1 (IAW the layout on Dogie's guide)
then moving clockwise I assigned the next board as board2 (IAW toggle guide)
and so forth...

I did the same thing on the Prisma...

So result is..

when I run Asictube alone; the 4 boards show up on the network and start mining
when I run Asictube + Prisma1 on daisy chain...... nothing shows up at all.....


any advice or support ... any help at all... much appreciated!!

Please ask me anything to help come to a solution (pictures, configuration, etc)

Lots of questions here, let me know if I miss any.

1) If you run a Tube and Prisma on the same controller then you'll have to run them both at the same speed, ie either the Tube at Prisma speeds or the Prisma at Tube speeds (not advisable).
2) I am unsure if there is any other conflicts that would occur so can't advise if its possible, just that its not advisable.
3) I do not believe that which A-B arrangement matters, I've not had problems either way.
4) The only requirement in the numbering is that every board has a unique order. Its advisable to keep each miner sequential so you know which physical miner is providing reported results.
5) Please note that the switches have a different arrangement (see Prisma thread) even though they look the same. This may be the reason the two types aren't playing together.

Use a second controller to control the Prismas.

Does anyone have a tube just sitting around gathering dust? I'm interested in getting one more hash board from a tube. Currently have 2 tubes but only 7 hash boards (sent one for rma, but that process is completely stalled). I'm not willing to pay much, but maybe we can work something out and I can help de-clutter your house. Please pm me if interested.

I've got a fully operating Tube if that helps, would be sold though.

Anyone tried overclocking these? What were your results?

Anything past 300 clock speed is strongly not recommended, and 300 requires a proper PSU.

I agree, I was running mine on a Corsair RM1000 @ 290 and getting about 850GH/s. At 300 it would reach 900GH/s but the psu would cut out after a short while because its pulling over 1000w.

You'd probably want a good quality 1200w+ to run @ 300 but I'm not sure if the extra GH is worth the extra power consumption and more expensive psu.

Dear members,

I have started mining with Butterfly Labs 2x50GH/s miners last summer. Then I have switched to 3 S3+ miners.
Now I bought a Asicminer Tube 800 from ebay. I would like to share some experience with you guys.

Power adapter for the block erupter is 12V , 1A. It had a UK plug type power adapter which was broken during shipping.
Her in Turkey we use Franch type plugs. Luckly I had an extra 12V 1A one. :)

Asicminer 800 has 4 boards, 8 power sockets, 2 sockets on each board to fill. I have used one socket from each board.
Because I'm not planning to overclock. I used two 600Watt power supplies. One is 80+, one is not (a regular one).
But accidentally I have used one cable which had two connectors daisy chained at the end. Cable has burned.
Luckly again, no damage to boards. I replaced the power supply. This time I used different cables from the power supply. I took the PCI-E conector from the burned one and added to the new PSU.

After managing how to setup the pool from 192.168.0.254:8000, I had a weird problem.
I was trying to use eclipsemc.com pool. This miner did not work with it. I read everthing on the internet.
As I learned Slush, Ghash.io and some other pools work with this miner. Others not.

So I setup ghash.io and slush with no success. "with no success" means, the miner was starting to mine for some period of random time, let's say 2 hours, or 3 hours 15 minutes or more or less,
then the worker of the pool was droping to something around 50GH/s. I would nearly quit. Bu after reading this forum I decided to use a proxy (although it's not needed), I was feeling suspicious about the Block Erupter thing. Whenever I started to use Slush pools proxy everthing started to run perfect.
This requires a dedicated computer.

I was thinking how to kill the ebay seller, but now I can just thank him. May be apologise in mind. :)
Sorry for my shaky English.
Doggie, thank you for your efforts here.

Glad you got it sorted in the end baykan :)

Best thing I did with mine was change the big noisy fan for 2 x Corsair high performance fans. The noise reduced by probably 80% - 90%.

Best pools I found for my tubes were bitcoin.cz, bitcoinaffiliatenetwork and solomining.com. They would run for days perfectly unless there was a problem with the pool.

This was using the standard block erupter controller.

I too would like to publically thank dogie for his guides and constantly trying to help people on here, he helped me out a lot with mine and for that I'm very grateful :).

If you'll sell me the tube for .3 BTC shipped its a deal.

I had ASICMiner Tube 800+ GHs for the last 3 month, now the controller's rebooting every 2Min.
the controller's is working OK when not connecting to the miner, but the moment I connecting it to the miner its start rebooting every 2 Min.
Any idea?
Please HELP!

Have you tried a different pool? I know they only work on a few. I used mine on bitcoinaffiliatenetwork, bitcoin.cz or solomining.com (currently down for maintenance).

Yes trid with:
stratum-lb-usa48.btcguild.com - this one was working
also try stratum.bitcoin.cz just to see if this is the problem.
But no now its rebooting every 2Min!!!
No I dont think its anything to do with the pools.

Well
stratum-lb-usa48.btcguild.com - this one was working now not working
I try stratum.bitcoin.czagain and everything is working OK again.
Thank you hedgy73! ;D

How come this is the only one that work?
Are there any more pools that work?

No problem :).

I was using this one: https://mining.bitcoinaffiliatenetwork.com/ (https://mining.bitcoinaffiliatenetwork.com/)

Ca you use Raspery + with MinePeon with it?

Not sure buddy but I should think so. I was using mine there with the standard block erupter controller.

Ok try it with  Raspberry pi+ minepeon 3 working OK with --stratum-port 8335

Thats 20% the $/GH of an S5, doesn't really make sense to sell.

BTCGuild, GHash and BAN are the main three.

Your controller will restart every ~3 minutes when its not connected to a pool, that's standard.

Thanks that will explain it.
stratum-lb-usa48.btcguild.com stop working
stratum.bitcoin.cz is working
But now I set it up to connect to Raspberry pi+ with Minepeon 3 on and all working OK.
 ;D

Thought maybe you weren't using it anymore, in which case it would make sense.

Hey thanks for this I got my tube setup and everything is swell.

I want to water-cool my tube, I know this is unnecessary and probably a bad idea but humor me.

It seems like most water-blocks are designed for CPU's or graphics cards, is there a pre-existing solution I could put on the opposite end of the fan to draw some of the heat into water?

I've been looking for 120mm case fans that might have a copper plate on the back and a water reservoir but cant find anything like that.

I was even thinking about running a copper pipe through the hollow center and stopping just shy of the fan, and attaching the other end to a cold water source.

What do you think?

I think don't bother really. The amount of heat transfer you'll get from hot air to an improvised block will be minimal. If you want more cooling, add a second fan. If you want quieter cooling, get 2 Corsair SP120s.

Hello

I hate to ask because i feel like i'm simply passing over this info somewhere...

I ended up getting reimbursed an asicminer tube for another miner that ended up being screwy. I had too purchase the block erupter ethernet controller separate. So I ended up with only 3 UART cables and not the extra 4th cable that would go to the controller.
Which leads too my question: Can someone direct me to a website/store that sells the UART cables? (or something that works the same) I can't seem to find anything or maybe i'm just overlooking something lol.

What you're looking for can be found on Ebay or similar under "XH2.54 3pin". Its a relatively common cable but you might have to buy a pack of 20.

hello again

i purchased this cable that you suggested: http://www.ebay.com/itm/181435479007?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

and after several tests i have determined they are not working with the board.
the only visible difference ive noticed is the new cables seem to be a smaller gauge than the cables that came with the tube.
can you telll me if i bought the wrong thing?
anything helps!

At this point only Asicminer could really tell us. Its the same type of connection as the original cables, or appears to be.

I'm not an expert with tubes but as far as I understand that cable is just very simple uart cable.So it must have tx,rx and gnd.With multimeter you can easily figure out which pin is ground (in controller and card). Connect with jumper wire or solder it.Then you have tx and rx left.Just try! There is two possible ways to connect them: other one works, other one doesn't.I don't think it could break anything.My thoughts, correct me if I'm wrong.

I think I have a spare. Send me a pm.

Any chance these tubes Can be used in other pools Then the ones listed?

I Got 4 of Them not running and would like Them to run again. But im no fan of slush or the other big ones

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=769570.0#post_section5b

Was looking for some pool names that works with that proxy guide you made ;D

I asked both ck and kano but seems i cant use their pools either

Hi;