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Title: QORA IS OPEN SOURCE !!!
Post by: Djinou94 on September 05, 2014, 11:14:14 AM

Source
The source code can be found here:
https://github.com/Qora/Qora

    Update : Qora and AT team agreed to integrate a Turing complete virtual machine into Qora named
    Automated Transactions. It is almost ready!

    Forget your others coins one second

    The Qora Asset Exchange is launched!
    Qora is under the radar, don't miss it
    Qora is a new 2nd generation cryptocurrency
    Qora is being built from scratch and will not rely on any other crypto-currency.
    Own source code, innovative Voting system, Naming service and more promising features


    • 1-5 Minute block times depending on the network activity.
    • Password protected wallets that can be recovered/generated from seeds.
    • New Proof-of-Stake algorithm.
    • A Naming service that allows users to give a customised name to their wallet address, URL Addresses, aliases, etc.


    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.0

    Just a quick question, what is the benefit of using this over the NXT Asset Exchange?

    built-in multi-dividend payments, ~35x cheaper trading, maybe even asset/asset trading

    Paying dividends on NxT asset exchange has been a huge hassle for many of the asset managers because the payment process is 100% manual.
    Qora is the only crypto with a built-in dividend payment system

    Qora is the first 2nd gen coin with implemented a working decentralized voting system

    1. Decentralized Voting = Direct Democracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy)

    The decentralized voting feature is actually a voting feature where all the Qora holders are able to vote.

    On Qora Asset Exchange we can trade ASSET to ASSET directly

    2. Asset / Asset Exchange = Barter Exchange System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barter)

    Asset / Asset exchange feature of Qora (the first into cryptocurrencies) is a real life exchange system where assets are trading directly for other assets without the need of money to made the transaction.

    Security by having a Seed and Password, it is also possible to mine with locked wallet
    More revolutionary surprise coming, it's top secret  ;)

    Wow this area of town just got a lot cooler than NXT. ASSET TO ASSET  ::). This is a huge improvement over current AE's. In NXT we have to Sell An Asset->Get NXT->Buy another Asset. This just takes loads of time and NXT fees. But ASSET->ASSET->HAPPY SEAMLESS TRADING ;D


    This means that somewhere during this week I will post the final version including the GUI.
    After that we will have to wait a few days to make sure the heavy forgers have had the chance to upgrade and then assets will finally launch.

    You will be able to trade any combination of pairs. This includes Qora/Asset, Asset/Qora or Asset/Asset.
    All the orders on the exchange will be matched automaticly.

    https://i.imgur.com/hkvVqvc.png

    https://i.imgur.com/JhUPzhH.png

    https://i.imgur.com/Fhw76IS.png


    You can buy and trade on BTER and Poloniex

    https://bter.com/trade/qora_btc

    https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_qora

    Don't miss the train!


    Here are some of the features in brief:

      • New code, totally built from scratch, original and not a clone.
      • Naming exchange integrated. You can buy/sell key pairs.
      • Voting feature implemented (community already voted for the sequence in which features will get implemented). Democratic and fast.
      • Asset exchange with advantages that NO OTHER crypto has - eg. an asset can have dividends & asset/asset exchange is supported.
      • Qora has the best approach for user simplicity - it is so user friendly that even a total newbie can use it.
      • It has a new POS algorithm - depends on activity and amount of coins your wallet holds, if I remember well.
      • The block time depends on network activity.
      • It has arbitrary transaction support integrated into the core, so developers can build apps on top of qora (eg. chat/blog apps).
      • It boosts the transaction speed, by not having to broadcast the transactions to the whole network.
      • There is maximum wallet security -> you have to enter a seed and not just a password to gain access to your wallet.
      • You can forge new blocks without leaving the wallet unlocked.
      • Qora will have Automated Transactions build-in to the core, once the crowdfunding succeeds. It will be the first to have such huge innovation. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822100.0
      • The developer has shown that he has extremely high competence in programming, he is very communicative and to me he is the only one who can code efficiently and at an extremely high speed.
      • Qora is just starting..so don't miss the chance to get in. It's way too cheap now imho. It should be in the top 3 list of cryptocoins worldwide. With such a dedicated dev and features being constantly built inside qora, it's a win-win situation.
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      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange in 3 days!
      Post by: DooMAD on September 05, 2014, 11:40:03 AM
      Poloniex too:  https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_qora

      I wouldn't go too crazy with the hype, though.  The thing I like most about Qora is that the dev just quietly works away on it without trying to hype it up like some pump and dump.  Nearly all of the focus is on development and there's pretty much no marketing.  Let the features speak for themselves.


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange in 3 days!
      Post by: wizzardTim on September 05, 2014, 11:44:49 AM
      Posting here to show my trust in qora and the dev.


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange in 3 days!
      Post by: twospirit on September 05, 2014, 12:27:36 PM
      can't wait!


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange in 3 days!
      Post by: sumantso on September 05, 2014, 01:03:57 PM
      can't wait!

      for the pump. Have some to unload and was looking for good prices.


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange in 3 days!
      Post by: wizzardTim on September 05, 2014, 01:27:19 PM
      I'm not gonna unload, cause I believe qora deserves to be among the top 5 coins.


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange in 3 days!
      Post by: rabbiter on September 05, 2014, 03:38:30 PM
      Supporting Qora is all about supporting what is good and genuine in Altcoins.


      Qora for the win.



      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange in 3 days!
      Post by: BlackShibe1 on September 06, 2014, 12:38:42 AM
      Together brothers we will win

      Qora forever



      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange in 2 days!
      Post by: merkalor on September 06, 2014, 11:10:33 AM
      D-2 !!!


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange in 2 days!
      Post by: cocales on September 06, 2014, 06:38:27 PM
      When Cryptsy is going to add Qora?  ???


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange for tomorrow!!!
      Post by: Djinou94 on September 07, 2014, 01:01:24 PM
      Are u readyyy?!


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange for tomorrow!!!
      Post by: Wulfcastle on September 07, 2014, 03:00:24 PM
      Just a quick question, what is the benefit of using this over the NXT Asset Exchange?


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange for tomorrow!!!
      Post by: twospirit on September 07, 2014, 03:29:26 PM
      Just a quick question, what is the benefit of using this over the NXT Asset Exchange?

      built-in multi-dividend payments, ~35x cheaper trading, maybe even asset/asset trading


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange for tomorrow!!!
      Post by: twospirit on September 07, 2014, 08:33:31 PM
      AE will be delayed, but asset/asset trading confirmed!  8)
      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.msg8718769#msg8718769


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange for tomorrow!!!
      Post by: keats3 on September 07, 2014, 08:53:52 PM
      Has the version with the GUI been released yet?


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange for tomorrow!!!
      Post by: wizzardTim on September 07, 2014, 09:01:35 PM
      OMG i just saw the screenies!!

      Love the devs dedication to the project :)

      come join the chat, he's there with us now


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange in 3 days!
      Post by: mnporter2001 on September 07, 2014, 09:03:51 PM
      I'm not gonna unload, cause I believe qora deserves to be among the top 5 coins.

      I'm with you, I purchased real cheap, and could dump now for profit but I see a long term gain from this one.


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange in 3 days!
      Post by: wizzardTim on September 07, 2014, 09:08:18 PM
      I'm not gonna unload, cause I believe qora deserves to be among the top 5 coins.

      I'm with you, I purchased real cheap, and could dump now for profit but I see a long term gain from this one.

      exactly.

      I mean if this project cannot succeed then its a real failure for all the crypto world. It's obvious that the future is bright.

      Innovations + user friendliness + dedicated dev = recipe for success


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange in 3 days!
      Post by: mnporter2001 on September 07, 2014, 09:32:32 PM
      I'm not gonna unload, cause I believe qora deserves to be among the top 5 coins.

      I'm with you, I purchased real cheap, and could dump now for profit but I see a long term gain from this one.

      exactly.

      I mean if this project cannot succeed then its a real failure for all the crypto world. It's obvious that the future is bright.

      Innovations + user friendliness + dedicated dev = recipe for success

      Agreed and to be honest I don't give a shit about most altcoins as far as I'm concerned they exist for me to make money buy abusing them, take ASC for instance I'm making shit loads from that every hour, simply by having created my own pool, mining and dumping them, I don't even have my own ant's pointing at my pool, I'm renting from betarigs and making a 33% profit on everything I hire.

      However as we have agreed I feel Qora deserves a little of my respect and I'm sure it will bare bigger fruits in the long term.

      Cheers
      Mark


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange for tomorrow!!!
      Post by: DooMAD on September 07, 2014, 10:47:21 PM
      First post might need editing, there's a minor delay:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.msg8718769#msg8718769 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.msg8718769#msg8718769)

      Basically some minor bugs to squash.  New interface and release coming later this week, not tomorrow.  Then Assets launching a few days after that to make sure everyone is actually running the new version.  Screenshots look pretty good.  Bonus points for Hodor!   ;D


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange soon!
      Post by: Djinou94 on September 07, 2014, 11:42:30 PM
      Edit
      Good news
      We have more time to buy cheap Qora yummy yummy!


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: zanzibar on September 08, 2014, 01:31:40 AM
      Don't really see the big deal here, can someone enlighten me?  There are already several coins with an AE, and much nicer looking UI than this. 


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange in 2 days!
      Post by: PondSea on September 08, 2014, 02:12:35 AM
      When Cryptsy is going to add Qora?  ???

      cryptsy can die in a fire  >:(


      Title: Re: Qora Asset Exchange in 3 days!
      Post by: bitcoin1992 on September 08, 2014, 02:54:35 AM
      Poloniex too:  https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_qora

      I wouldn't go too crazy with the hype, though.  The thing I like most about Qora is that the dev just quietly works away on it without trying to hype it up like some pump and dump.  Nearly all of the focus is on development and there's pretty much no marketing.  Let the features speak for themselves.

      yes
      This will be a long project full of innovations


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: jrsfiend on September 08, 2014, 04:18:41 AM
      Been chatting Qora for a little bit this evening and it does seem like a great project, filled with promise. The team has a ton of work and it looks as though they're dedicated and full of great ideas - from my quick observations - and I think there's tons of room for growth here.

      I'm also aboard the Qora train :)


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: bitcoin1992 on September 08, 2014, 04:43:33 AM
      Been chatting Qora for a little bit this evening and it does seem like a great project, filled with promise. The team has a ton of work and it looks as though they're dedicated and full of great ideas - from my quick observations - and I think there's tons of room for growth here.

      I'm also aboard the Qora train :)

      ;) great !!!


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: twospirit on September 08, 2014, 05:47:29 AM
      Been chatting Qora for a little bit this evening and it does seem like a great project, filled with promise. The team has a ton of work and it looks as though they're dedicated and full of great ideas - from my quick observations - and I think there's tons of room for growth here.

      I'm also aboard the Qora train :)
      welcome  :)


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: Fernandez on September 08, 2014, 05:55:02 AM
      Don't really see the big deal here, can someone enlighten me?  There are already several coins with an AE, and much nicer looking UI than this. 

      Want to know too whats the big deal with Qora AE.

      NXT already has a fully functional multigateway.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: rabbiter on September 08, 2014, 05:58:08 AM
      Don't really see the big deal here, can someone enlighten me?  There are already several coins with an AE, and much nicer looking UI than this.  

      Want to know too whats the big deal with Qora AE.

      NXT already has a fully functional multigateway.


      Put simply it's a lot better.

      Just because Ford made a car before Ferrari doesn't mean you would prefer it.

      With Qora you don't need to trade Qora for asset. You can go straight from asset to asset. Plus Qora has dividend payments set up. In practice you wouldn't use NXT for asset trading when you could use Qora, it would be like using Windows 95 rather than XP. You can but why would you?


      Qora is the Facebook of Crypto!

      NXT is MySpace.


      Plus I bet none of the up coming semi clones do asset to asset like NEM, NODE etc. They are inferior and based as we all know on NXT framework.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: bilt10 on September 08, 2014, 06:08:24 AM
      Wow this area of town just got a lot cooler than NXT. ASSET TO ASSET  ::). This is a huge improvement over current AE's. In NXT we have to Sell An Asset->Get NXT->Buy another Asset. This just takes loads of time and NXT fees. But ASSET->ASSET->HAPPY SEAMLESS TRADING ;D


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: rabbiter on September 08, 2014, 06:15:07 AM
      Wow this area of town just got a lot cooler than NXT. ASSET TO ASSET  ::). This is a huge improvement over current AE's. In NXT we have to Sell An Asset->Get NXT->Buy another Asset. This just takes loads of time and NXT fees. But ASSET->ASSET->HAPPY SEAMLESS TRADING ;D


      Plus we haven't even worked on the wallet GUI yet, but it's coming now. Then open source. that will prove if people ended it there is no comparison to NXT at all.

      Qora unfairly gets compared to NXT, sure compare NODE and NEM to NXT cause they know NXT framework and I'm sure ripped it off to some extent. But Qora the developer doesn't even know how NXT works!


      Only way is up for this coin, we can't hype it enough cause the hype is based on real quality not short term Bullshit.


      Qora is a vote against all the shitcoins with hyped promises.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: PondSea on September 08, 2014, 07:48:09 AM
       :) Been speaking to a dev and we have some exciting ideas for the AE and the Arb transaction :)

      I have a promotional idea too which might do wonders.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: bilt10 on September 08, 2014, 07:57:29 AM
      :) Been speaking to a dev and we have some exciting ideas for the AE and the Arb transaction :)

      I have a promotional idea too which might do wonders.
      Care to explain more? :)


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: PondSea on September 08, 2014, 08:05:45 AM
      :) Been speaking to a dev and we have some exciting ideas for the AE and the Arb transaction :)

      I have a promotional idea too which might do wonders.
      Care to explain more? :)

      Too early at the moment, hopefully will have more info tomorrow.

      But I will be giving new qora users a good surprise hopefully when it is up and running.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: twospirit on September 08, 2014, 08:58:44 AM
      I"ve just noticed, in fact it's ~350x cheaper than trading on Nxt AE, but I don't expect the price to stay about 20 sat...much cheaper anyway!  8)


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: Coinshot on September 08, 2014, 09:39:18 AM
      I was using the QORA signature to earn some, but prices were too low. This might help increase the price.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: Brangdon on September 08, 2014, 09:41:13 AM
      Paying dividends on NxT asset exchange has been a huge hassle for many of the asset managers because the payment process is 100% manual.
      That's not strictly true. Nxt does dividend payments through Nxt Services. You tell it the asset and the total to pay and it creates the transactions for you. It's not manual.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: Jungian on September 08, 2014, 10:19:37 AM
      Paying dividends on NxT asset exchange has been a huge hassle for many of the asset managers because the payment process is 100% manual.
      That's not strictly true. Nxt does dividend payments through Nxt Services. You tell it the asset and the total to pay and it creates the transactions for you. It's not manual.

      It's also being built into the core.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: rabbiter on September 08, 2014, 11:06:19 AM
      Paying dividends on NxT asset exchange has been a huge hassle for many of the asset managers because the payment process is 100% manual.
      That's not strictly true. Nxt does dividend payments through Nxt Services. You tell it the asset and the total to pay and it creates the transactions for you. It's not manual.

      It's also being built into the core.


      Thats awesome, Im glad you NXT guys are keeping up! :D


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: wizzardTim on September 08, 2014, 11:31:08 AM
      Paying dividends on NxT asset exchange has been a huge hassle for many of the asset managers because the payment process is 100% manual.
      That's not strictly true. Nxt does dividend payments through Nxt Services. You tell it the asset and the total to pay and it creates the transactions for you. It's not manual.

      It's also being built into the core.


      Thats awesome, Im glad you NXT guys are keeping up! :D

      LOL   ;) ;) they are already late.. qora builds things extremely fast... nxt didnt have a stable client without forks for months..


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: rabbiter on September 08, 2014, 12:27:34 PM
      Paying dividends on NxT asset exchange has been a huge hassle for many of the asset managers because the payment process is 100% manual.
      That's not strictly true. Nxt does dividend payments through Nxt Services. You tell it the asset and the total to pay and it creates the transactions for you. It's not manual.

      It's also being built into the core.


      Thats awesome, Im glad you NXT guys are keeping up! :D

      LOL   ;) ;) they are already late.. qora builds things extremely fast... nxt didnt have a stable client without forks for months..


      we shouldnt be too hard on the NXT guys, they work as a team not as an individual genius, it's can't be easy for them.

      https://deadwrite.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/keystone-cops11.jpg


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: jrsfiend on September 08, 2014, 02:19:53 PM
      :) Been speaking to a dev and we have some exciting ideas for the AE and the Arb transaction :)

      I have a promotional idea too which might do wonders.

      Very interesting chats ahead :)


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: bilt10 on September 08, 2014, 02:43:55 PM
      :) Been speaking to a dev and we have some exciting ideas for the AE and the Arb transaction :)

      I have a promotional idea too which might do wonders.

      Very interesting chats ahead :)
      Where can I see the chats? Any links?


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: jrsfiend on September 08, 2014, 02:46:01 PM
      :) Been speaking to a dev and we have some exciting ideas for the AE and the Arb transaction :)

      I have a promotional idea too which might do wonders.

      Very interesting chats ahead :)
      Where can I see the chats? Any links?

      Wait til there are solidified plans!


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: chanc3r on September 08, 2014, 03:17:33 PM
      Wow this area of town just got a lot cooler than NXT. ASSET TO ASSET  ::). This is a huge improvement over current AE's. In NXT we have to Sell An Asset->Get NXT->Buy another Asset. This just takes loads of time and NXT fees. But ASSET->ASSET->HAPPY SEAMLESS TRADING ;D

      Its a nice concept that this exchange doesn't bully you into buying a coin to use it, so I can trade anything for anything without having to buy lots of Qora just to trade.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: zanzibar on September 08, 2014, 03:22:45 PM
      Don't really see the big deal here, can someone enlighten me?  There are already several coins with an AE, and much nicer looking UI than this.  

      Want to know too whats the big deal with Qora AE.

      NXT already has a fully functional multigateway.


      Put simply it's a lot better.

      Just because Ford made a car before Ferrari doesn't mean you would prefer it.

      With Qora you don't need to trade Qora for asset. You can go straight from asset to asset. Plus Qora has dividend payments set up. In practice you wouldn't use NXT for asset trading when you could use Qora, it would be like using Windows 95 rather than XP. You can but why would you?


      Qora is the Facebook of Crypto!

      NXT is MySpace.


      Plus I bet none of the up coming semi clones do asset to asset like NEM, NODE etc. They are inferior and based as we all know on NXT framework.

      When I look at the Qora client, it reminds me of Windows 95, so your comment makes zero sense.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: jrsfiend on September 08, 2014, 03:34:08 PM
      Don't really see the big deal here, can someone enlighten me?  There are already several coins with an AE, and much nicer looking UI than this.  

      Want to know too whats the big deal with Qora AE.

      NXT already has a fully functional multigateway.


      Put simply it's a lot better.

      Just because Ford made a car before Ferrari doesn't mean you would prefer it.

      With Qora you don't need to trade Qora for asset. You can go straight from asset to asset. Plus Qora has dividend payments set up. In practice you wouldn't use NXT for asset trading when you could use Qora, it would be like using Windows 95 rather than XP. You can but why would you?


      Qora is the Facebook of Crypto!

      NXT is MySpace.


      Plus I bet none of the up coming semi clones do asset to asset like NEM, NODE etc. They are inferior and based as we all know on NXT framework.

      When I look at the Qora client, it reminds me of Windows 95, so your comment makes zero sense.

      UI has zero to do with functionality. Never has, never will. What isn't pretty now takes some very simple modifications later to make pretty - and what works behind the scenes is the real measure of how something's valuable, insofar as software's concerned.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: bilt10 on September 08, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
      https://twitter.com/burnscamcoins/status/509032924864208896. Please retweet & tweet your own. We need to bring new people into Qora so that they can see the real potential. BTW why is the news on AE not yet tweeted on the Qora handle yet ??? Who handles that twitter account?


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: PondSea on September 08, 2014, 08:07:06 PM
      https://twitter.com/burnscamcoins/status/509032924864208896. Please retweet & tweet your own. We need to bring new people into Qora so that they can see the real potential. BTW why is the news on AE not yet tweeted on the Qora handle yet ??? Who handles that twitter account?

      Probably waiting for it to go live.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: twospirit on September 08, 2014, 08:32:23 PM
      https://twitter.com/burnscamcoins/status/509032924864208896. Please retweet & tweet your own. We need to bring new people into Qora so that they can see the real potential. BTW why is the news on AE not yet tweeted on the Qora handle yet ??? Who handles that twitter account?
      well, it was given to some external promotion company to handle it...not a wise decision...
      I'm running this https://twitter.com/Qora_news


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: bilt10 on September 10, 2014, 02:33:03 PM
      https://twitter.com/burnscamcoins/status/509032924864208896. Please retweet & tweet your own. We need to bring new people into Qora so that they can see the real potential. BTW why is the news on AE not yet tweeted on the Qora handle yet ??? Who handles that twitter account?

      Probably waiting for it to go live.
      https://twitter.com/qoracoin. Still they have not tweeted anything on AE ??? They suck bigtime :-[


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: Djinou94 on September 15, 2014, 12:29:15 AM
      Version 15 is now available.

      https://mega.co.nz/#!b9BgTSpb!XyKfhrYRt9ZuClLdAYlJF9SETGI1dsVRmhlSxa266o4 (https://mega.co.nz/#!b9BgTSpb!XyKfhrYRt9ZuClLdAYlJF9SETGI1dsVRmhlSxa266o4)
      MD5: 00ABFB83FBA61E02ABA952FC671CEFB1
      SHA-1: D4F8DE12388602950D4E5ACD286874D784C36D32

      If you would like to run Qora without the command line window you can use the Qora.exe file.
      Place this file in the V14 Qora folder and run it instead of the run.bat. (windows only)
      https://mega.co.nz/#!u15wSaaQ!2wqO5EIsaZ3-KcLrmJqdEUHJL-g9mOpRlFvdW3gjV-o (https://mega.co.nz/#!u15wSaaQ!2wqO5EIsaZ3-KcLrmJqdEUHJL-g9mOpRlFvdW3gjV-o)
      MD5: 1C15D176478EE3D44DDEC69BBB3390A1
      SHA-1: 6F62B8F6693D1B1021610C283F554E63446062A2

      Please download the applications from the original post and not from a quote.

      • Finally completed the GUI for assets. Assets will unlock on 19 September 5PM GMT.
      • Upgraded the database. You will have to delete all your data files. Once we have the application stable future updates will patch the current database.

      Now that assets has been completed, making the client 100% stable will be the first priority.
      Qora will also be reorganised as the current direction is not really working.

      Not upgrading to this version before 19 September 5PM GMT will make your client fork.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE 19 September 5PM GMT !
      Post by: nextgencoin on September 15, 2014, 08:10:48 AM
      Great, looking forward to how this pans out.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE 19 September 5PM GMT !
      Post by: Kevinrasf on September 15, 2014, 08:55:36 AM
      The Asset to Asset is a unique feature that is very wanted in the NXT AE world.

      Im very curious whats going to happen.



      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE SOON !
      Post by: Fernandez on September 15, 2014, 09:25:50 AM
      Wow this area of town just got a lot cooler than NXT. ASSET TO ASSET  ::). This is a huge improvement over current AE's. In NXT we have to Sell An Asset->Get NXT->Buy another Asset. This just takes loads of time and NXT fees. But ASSET->ASSET->HAPPY SEAMLESS TRADING ;D

      Its a nice concept that this exchange doesn't bully you into buying a coin to use it, so I can trade anything for anything without having to buy lots of Qora just to trade.

      It also means there is no incentive to buy this coin. The prices will remain low so is not a good investment.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE 19 September 5PM GMT !
      Post by: DooMAD on September 18, 2014, 07:46:07 PM
      Asset exchange starts tomorrow, still time to get in under 20 sats. 

      Maybe if the Scots get independence in the vote tonight they can adopt Qora as their new national currency.   :P


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE LIVE TODAY AT 5PM GMT !
      Post by: Djinou94 on September 19, 2014, 10:52:34 AM
      It's a glory day my friends!

      Qora dev says he has a killer feature that will make Qora unique. Don't miss that


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE LIVE TODAY AT 5PM GMT !
      Post by: twospirit on September 19, 2014, 04:49:45 PM
      are you ready?


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE LIVE TODAY AT 5PM GMT !
      Post by: DooMAD on September 20, 2014, 07:15:40 PM
      Minor delay due to the bugfix:

      • Assets will now be enabled at 21 September 2PM GMT.

      And a quick reminder of the other features, aside from asset exchange:

      • 1-5 Minute block times depending on the network activity.
      • Password protected wallets that can be recovered/generated from seeds.
      • New Proof-of-Stake algorithm.
      • A Naming service that allows users to give a customised name to their wallet address, URL Addresses, aliases, etc.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE LIVE TODAY AT 5PM GMT !
      Post by: fred930 on September 20, 2014, 07:18:55 PM
      Looking forward to trying out the asset exchange tomorrow. Thanks for all the hard work from the dev and people running nodes.


      Title: Re: QORA ASSET EXCHANGE LIVE TODAY AT 5PM GMT !
      Post by: Djinou94 on September 21, 2014, 02:49:38 AM
      Minor delay due to the bugfix:

      • Assets will now be enabled at 21 September 2PM GMT.

      And a quick reminder of the other features, aside from asset exchange:

      • 1-5 Minute block times depending on the network activity.
      • Password protected wallets that can be recovered/generated from seeds.
      • New Proof-of-Stake algorithm.
      • A Naming service that allows users to give a customised name to their wallet address, URL Addresses, aliases, etc.


      Thanks

      Version 16 is now available.

      https://mega.co.nz/#!DoITmbaD!1Aw01QCglzpnryavLjjT6nnXNjn4NQccmTtElg85fC4 (https://mega.co.nz/#!DoITmbaD!1Aw01QCglzpnryavLjjT6nnXNjn4NQccmTtElg85fC4)
      MD5: A2FEDD9A07F78EB0F7F1A556A43723F7
      SHA-1: 137047D4EE592D8FC799B28023696AAEDD6A9EA9

      Please download the applications from the original post and not from a quote.

      • Fixed the problem where new assets would not confirm. Assets will now be enabled at 21 September 2PM GMT.

      Not upgrading to this version before 21 September 2PM GMT will make your client fork.


      Title: Re: QORA Assets will be enabled at 21 September 2PM GMT !
      Post by: twospirit on September 21, 2014, 06:34:58 AM
      Are we gonna have a place, where issuers can present their assets?


      Title: Re: QORA Assets will be enabled at 21 September 2PM GMT !
      Post by: PondSea on September 21, 2014, 09:12:38 AM
      Are we gonna have a place, where issuers can present their assets?

      Probably on the official forum.


      Title: Re: QORA Assets will be enabled at 21 September 2PM GMT !
      Post by: Atheose0 on September 21, 2014, 03:29:30 PM
      A great news for Qora.Has the asset exchange been launched yet?


      Title: Re: QORA Assets will be enabled at 21 September 2PM GMT !
      Post by: PondSea on September 21, 2014, 03:33:47 PM
      launched


      Title: Re: QORA Assets will be enabled at 21 September 2PM GMT !
      Post by: Conurtrol on September 21, 2014, 03:54:57 PM
      Very cool. It just needs a new GUI and a little publicity.


      Title: Re: QORA Assets will be enabled at 21 September 2PM GMT !
      Post by: Djinou94 on September 22, 2014, 01:51:05 AM
      Congratulations !

      Remember this day! 21 September 2014!

      People who don't know Qora, download the wallet and have a look by yourself!



      Title: Re: QORA Asset Exchange is unique and launched!
      Post by: Djinou94 on September 28, 2014, 12:20:33 AM

      Once qora hammers out the bugs and designs a superfly wallet...


      What's a superfly wallet? Does it have near instant transaction processing like Nxt is planning?

      http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Whitepaper:Nxt
      "The planned implementation of Transparent Forging will allow for near instant transaction processing, drastically increasing this limit."

      Cannot wait for the Superfly wallet !!!

      This feature will surpasse NxT definitely!

      See http://qora.co.in/chat/logs/2014/07/31.html
      ....
      [21:49:34] <pondsea> @Qora do you have any ideas up you sleeve once we have ae and wallet upgrades?
      [21:49:58] <pondsea> like ideas that would set us apart from nxt
      [21:51:04] <Qora> If I can do the wallet like I want it will make us unique.
      [21:52:53] <spaw> Will there be teaser screenshots?!
      [22:00:18] <pondsea> @Qora can you guve us a description of what you have envisioned for the wallet to make us unique?
      [22:33:57] <Qora> You will see it in time :p.



      Title: Re: QORA Asset Exchange is unique, SUPERFLY WALLET SOON
      Post by: Djinou94 on October 08, 2014, 01:16:04 PM
      Qora and AT team agreed to integrate a Turing complete virtual machine into Qora named Automated Transactions.

      In a brief preview Automated transactions allows many types of applications ranging from games of chance to automated crowdfunding and ensuring that savings will not be lost forever.

      But this project needs to be funded by Qora Community in order to be done.
      ATFunding is an asset I have issued which represents the funding purpose of this project.I will provide escrow services on this fund raising.
      ATFunding asset has a quantity of 250 millions assets with each asset's price equals to 1 Qora and total worth of 250.000.000 Qora.
      AT team will integrate Automated Transactions into Qora if the minimum amount of 100 millions Qora has been pledged for this purpose.
      The crowdfunind period will start at 15 of October and will last for a period of two weeks.If the sold units during this period reaches the minimum quantity of 100.000.000 assets then Automated Transactions will be integrated into Qora.

      The ATFunding asset holders by funding this project they will also be able to exchange their ATFunding assets with the official asset of AT Team that they will issue if the minimum goal has been reached.25% of the AT Team services asset will be exchanged with the total quantity of the ATFunding Assets, 1 ATFunding asset will be equal to 1 AT team services asset.

      So, actually a maximum quantity of 25% of the AT services asset, a divinded asset, will be sold into this fund raising period in a lower price,only via ATFunding asset and the integration will be achieved if 100.000.000 or more ATFunding assets sold.


      Specification and use cases of AT can be found here (http://ciyam.org/at/).

      AT Team :

      CIYAM
      vbecas
      btc2nxt

      ATFunding asset specifications :

      Name : ATFunding (http://qora.co.in/?q=61-61)
      Asset Key : 61
      Asset Owner : QYsLsfwMRBPnunmuWmFkM4hvGsfooY8ssU
      Asset Description : This asset represents the funding of AT team for the integration of a Turing complete virtual machine into Qora.
      Quantity : 250.000.000 units
      Divisible : Yes
      Price : 1 Qora/unit



      Version 18 is now available.

      https://mega.co.nz/#!a8gBlTaR!qilS-9NrDvBzGSg0V6IOKLk4_FEXqLIdnRnQSSooelU (https://mega.co.nz/#!a8gBlTaR!qilS-9NrDvBzGSg0V6IOKLk4_FEXqLIdnRnQSSooelU)
      http://qora.org/Qora.v18.zip
      MD5: 799A733C886C833AA15E3B8A57D8FB1A
      SHA-1: 494C525CBC2403B1FFEC8DA35ECF013EBCFAC052

      Please download the application from the original post and not from a quote.

      • Reworked the closing of the application. Closing the application by force should no longer be required. When you close the application by force while it is processing a block, you will receive an error the next time you start it up.
      • Fixed a problem while synchronizing that caused the database to become corrupt.
      • Fixed multiple rounding issues on the assets GUI.
      • Fixed a problem where cancelling an order that created a trade caused problems for the GUI.
      • Fixed a problem where an order could create empty trades.


      Title: Re: QORA Asset Exchange is unique, Automated Transactions and SuperFly Wallet soon
      Post by: wizzardTim on October 08, 2014, 01:25:07 PM
      So great news!!!



      Title: Re: QORA Asset Exchange is unique, Automated Transactions and SuperFly Wallet soon
      Post by: PondSea on October 08, 2014, 08:01:44 PM
      choochoo


      Title: Re: QORA Asset Exchange is unique, Automated Transactions and SuperFly Wallet soon
      Post by: Djinou94 on October 15, 2014, 12:11:46 AM




      Qora and AT team agreed to integrate a Turing complete virtual machine into Qora named
      Automated Transactions.


      In a brief preview Automated transactions allows many types of applications ranging from games of chance to automated crowdfunding and ensuring that savings will not be lost forever.

      But this project needs to get funded in order to be done and ATFunding (http://qora.co.in/?q=61-61) is the asset that represents this crowdfunding.

      ATFunding asset has a quantity of 250 millions assets with each unit's price equals to 1 Qora and a total net worth of 250.000.000 Qora.
      AT team will integrate Automated Transactions into Qora if the minimum amount of 100 millions Qora has been pledged for this purpose.

      The crowdfunind period has started today, 15 of October and will last for a period of two weeks.If the sold units during this period reaches the minimum quantity of 100.000.000 then Automated Transactions will be integrated into Qora.

      The ATFunding asset holders by funding this project they will also be able to exchange their ATFunding asset with the official asset of AT Team that they will issue if the minimum goal has been reached (details can be found here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.msg9201327#msg9201327)).


      Specification and use cases of AT  (http://ciyam.org/at/).

      Why blockchains might want to consider using AT "Turing complete" txs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822100)



      ATFunding asset specifications

      Name : ATFunding (http://qora.co.in/?q=61-61)

      Asset Key : 61

      Asset Owner : QYsLsfwMRBPnunmuWmFkM4hvGsfooY8ssU

      Asset Description : This asset represents the funding of AT team
                                      for the integration of a Turing complete virtual machine into Qora.

      Quantity : 250.000.000 units

      Divisible : Yes

      Price : 1 Qora/unit


      Crowdfunding has began

      http://www.pending.me.uk/cd/bla_1414627199.png (http://www.pending.me.uk)





      Cross post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823928.new#new)


      Title: Re: QORA Asset Exchange is unique, Automated Transactions and SuperFly Wallet soon
      Post by: rabbiter on October 15, 2014, 06:34:49 AM




      Qora and AT team agreed to integrate a Turing complete virtual machine into Qora named
      Automated Transactions.


      In a brief preview Automated transactions allows many types of applications ranging from games of chance to automated crowdfunding and ensuring that savings will not be lost forever.

      But this project needs to get funded in order to be done and ATFunding (http://qora.co.in/?q=61-61) is the asset that represents this crowdfunding.

      ATFunding asset has a quantity of 250 millions assets with each unit's price equals to 1 Qora and a total net worth of 250.000.000 Qora.
      AT team will integrate Automated Transactions into Qora if the minimum amount of 100 millions Qora has been pledged for this purpose.

      The crowdfunind period has started today, 15 of October and will last for a period of two weeks.If the sold units during this period reaches the minimum quantity of 100.000.000 then Automated Transactions will be integrated into Qora.

      The ATFunding asset holders by funding this project they will also be able to exchange their ATFunding asset with the official asset of AT Team that they will issue if the minimum goal has been reached (details can be found here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.msg9201327#msg9201327)).


      Specification and use cases of AT  (http://ciyam.org/at/).

      Why blockchains might want to consider using AT "Turing complete" txs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822100)



      ATFunding asset specifications

      Name : ATFunding (http://qora.co.in/?q=61-61)

      Asset Key : 61

      Asset Owner : QYsLsfwMRBPnunmuWmFkM4hvGsfooY8ssU

      Asset Description : This asset represents the funding of AT team
                                      for the integration of a Turing complete virtual machine into Qora.

      Quantity : 250.000.000 units

      Divisible : Yes

      Price : 1 Qora/unit


      Crowdfunding has began

      http://www.pending.me.uk/cd/bla_1414627199.png (http://www.pending.me.uk)





      Cross post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823928.new#new)


      Maybe this could be another thread?   The new Etherum!

      Its a good way for people to check out the AE too.


      Title: Re: QORA Asset Exchange is unique, Automated Transactions and SuperFly Wallet soon
      Post by: twospirit on October 15, 2014, 07:11:51 PM
      wow, people are going to buy all the funding shares!


      Title: Re: QORA Asset Exchange is unique, Automated Transactions and SuperFly Wallet soon
      Post by: Conurtrol on October 15, 2014, 07:44:21 PM
      If there are any Qora whales who would buy 5 million shares of the AT asset and then sell them to me when Poloniex fixes their Qora wallet then I would be very grateful. Please pm if you can do this. Thank you.


      Title: Re: QORA Asset Exchange is unique, Automated Transactions and SuperFly Wallet soon
      Post by: Djinou94 on October 16, 2014, 01:42:46 AM



      In less than 24 hours the crowdfunding for the integration of the Automated Transactions has been fulfilled and the Qora community embraced the AT team by overbuying the ATFunding asset.Right now remaining unit's are 20,643,121 and there have already been sold 229,356,879 unit's of the ATFunding asset.

      The truth is that I'm speechless .. I'm really amazed by Qora community who have embraced this reminding again that Qora is all about innovation!!!!!
      A long awaited feature for the entire world of cryptocurrencies will be integrated into Qora and this is because of Qora community who decided to make it happen!!!

      As I said I am really speechless.. I have nothing more to say!! Thank you all for making this real!!!

      The asset of the AT team regarding Qora will be created soon and announced by the AT team with all the needed details.

      In the pre announcement I have stated (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.msg9125859#msg9125859) that I will provide escrow services for this integration.The funds will be released to the AT team by me partially when I have proofs of the integration process.Any recommendations about this would be fully appreciated. I hope to release the funds the soonest possible and to have AT running on Qora in a few days!But this is something between the developers and they will coordinate it properly.


      PS : Some details has been discussed earlier today at Qora chat.You can find them here (http://coinia.net/qora/chat/logs/2014/10/15.html#17:35:52.434004)
      PS2 : I'm not going to forge for the entire period that I will hold the amount of this crowdfunding.


      Title: Re: QORA IS OPEN SOURCE TODAY !!!! 09/12/14
      Post by: Djinou94 on December 09, 2014, 02:26:20 AM
      http://www.hopechurch.net.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/are-you-ready_wide_t_nv.jpg


      Title: Re: QORA IS OPEN SOURCE TODAY !!!! 09/12/14 at 8:00 GMT
      Post by: Djinou94 on December 09, 2014, 01:57:56 PM
      Qora AT almost complete!!

      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=826263.msg9759240#msg9759240


      Title: Re: QORA IS OPEN SOURCE TODAY !!!! 09/12/14 at 8:00 GMT
      Post by: wizzardTim on December 09, 2014, 09:53:40 PM
      Woohoo!!

      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881230.msg9789549#msg9789549


       8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)


      Title: Re: QORA IS OPEN SOURCE !!!
      Post by: Djinou94 on December 10, 2014, 02:28:49 AM
      http://www.planetsforkids.org/upload/-moon-a.jpg


      Title: Re: QORA IS OPEN SOURCE !!!
      Post by: TaunSew on December 10, 2014, 03:00:34 AM
      Took you a year to forge code?

      I'm waiting for Jeff Garzik to compile the code and determine whether the hashes match.


      Title: Re: QORA IS OPEN SOURCE !!!
      Post by: Djinou94 on December 10, 2014, 12:24:15 PM
      Ok, here are some quick notes on Qora v. Nxt (I've looked at both sets of code a little while this evening.)

      Initial Impressions

      I can not rule out, beyond certainty, that this wasn't cloned but I can easily verify that if this started from a Nxt fork, a TON of work has been put in modifying the code.  Qora is organized completely differently than Nxt.  From the application entry point, all initialization methods execute completely differently.  If Qora took Nxt, he heavily modified it beyond recognition.

      Personally, I've suspected that this wasn't a clone and I've never seen any reason not to trust Qora's claims.  So far, this seems to be likely true-- this is not a fork and is "new source".

      Cryptography Analysis

      Nxt uses SHA-256 to hash passphrases and then Curve25519 and SHA-256 again to create public/private key.  It signs it's data using, EC-KCDSA.

      Qora is a bit of a different beast.  I'm still digging into this section of code but if my quick-scan of DB, Crypto and Account files has produced an accurate understanding, your wallet seed is a random value, stored to a secure DB. Each time a new account is generated, a nonce is appended to the the seed, and a new address is calculated and stored in the DB.

      Specifically, an address account is generated by taking the Nonce+seed+Nonce value and double-SHA-256 hashing it to produce a unique account seed.

      Next, a Key pair is generated using Ed25519 key pair creation, from the account seed.  To be clear, Ed25519 is slightly different than Curve25519 (which is what Nxt uses.)  After the Pub/Privkey pair is generated,the application takes the RIPEMD160 of the SHA-256 hash of the pub-key.  NExt, Qora prepends a version byte to this hash and then double, SHA-256 hashes the byte array and finally appends the first four bytes of the new hash, to the former.  These last four bytes are used as an account checksum and are used for account ID validation.

      This process of a account generation is significantly different than Nxt.  Obviously, Qora makes use of a wallet, where Nxt does not.  Still, the process of creating a payment address is far more robust than Nxt.  In fact, this process is almost-exactly how BTC addresses are created, rather than Nxt.  The only variation is that the version byte is likely different (which results in the "Q" at the beginning of the address) and Ed25519 keys are used by Qora where ECDSA keys are used by BTC and it's clones.

      Forging

      First, let me go ahead and say that forging is something that I've never looked into deeply. I  understand the very high-level nature of it and I very much understand the big differences between traditional "1.0" coins and these new PoS "2.0" coins.  My notes on forging will, therefore, be very basic sense I know so little about the nuts-and-bolts.  Regardless, here are my observations.

      The code is significantly organized in a different manner.  At first glance, I think Nxt and Qora us a completely different approach to come up with similar results.  Again, Qora is more succinct than Nxt.  I'll have to take a while longer to dig into this but since I can't seem to figure out how to build and debug java code through eclipse (:P yeah, pretty basic stuff, I know...) I can't run the code and step through this portion to clarify what's going on.  All I can verify is that Nxt vs. Qora looks completely different.  Also, Qora makes use of the global "Generating Balance" to determine the block Target.  From my scan of the Nxt code, no such value is used.  I think there is a bit more randomness to Nxt than their might be of Qora, but I won't stand by that.  Qora basically looks at the time since the last block, the forgers personal balance and the total balance of forging accounts.  It then uses a fairly straight forward process to test if a block has been forged.

      I haven't been able to figure out what Nxt does.  This isn't because of poor Nxt coding.  It's because I don't have the time to look into it.  If a Nxt guru is around, please comment.

      Final Thoughts

      My vote is, no, this is not a clone.  If Qora was inspired by Nxt, I would make the guess that he read up a lot on it, possibly read through the source and thought "I can do that" and gave it a go at writing his own application.  Qora uses mostly different libraries and is structured significantly different. 

      I also assume that Qora is a professional day-time coder, who works with a team of devs at a software firm or possibly large company.  Nxt feels like good, solid code, but it doesn't adhere to strict practices that big-team developers tend to follow since they are use to having to organize and share  code with co-workers.  I know that open source projects are often shared across devs, but having worked in both environments I can attest that "good" developers, in both areas of software engineering tend to have different coding approaches and styles because requirements differ.  Qora feels like it's written by an experienced, professional business coder, while Nxt feels like a large, open source project.

      One piece of software isn't necessarily better than the other but they look VERY different.  This adds to strong evidence supporting that this is almost certainly NOT a clone.


      Title: Re: QORA IS OPEN SOURCE !!!
      Post by: merkalor on December 10, 2014, 12:37:26 PM
      Took you a year to forge code?

      I'm waiting for Jeff Garzik to compile the code and determine whether the hashes match.


      6 months
      Yes please, more people who review the code, better it is


      Title: Re: QORA IS OPEN SOURCE !!!
      Post by: poncho32 on December 10, 2014, 03:28:59 PM
      Took you a year to forge code?

      I'm waiting for Jeff Garzik to compile the code and determine whether the hashes match.


      6 months
      Yes please, more people who review the code, better it is

      The Nxt and Qora hashes definitely do not match because the two coins are coded differently using different cryptographic technologies. One programmer has already reviewed Qora's code and he thinks its not a Nxt clone as shown below.






      Ok, here are some quick notes on Qora v. Nxt (I've looked at both sets of code a little while this evening.)

      Initial Impressions

      I can not rule out, beyond certainty, that this wasn't cloned but I can easily verify that if this started from a Nxt fork, a TON of work has been put in modifying the code.  Qora is organized completely differently than Nxt.  From the application entry point, all initialization methods execute completely differently.  If Qora took Nxt, he heavily modified it beyond recognition.

      Personally, I've suspected that this wasn't a clone and I've never seen any reason not to trust Qora's claims.  So far, this seems to be likely true-- this is not a fork and is "new source".

      Cryptography Analysis

      Nxt uses SHA-256 to hash passphrases and then Curve25519 and SHA-256 again to create public/private key.  It signs it's data using, EC-KCDSA.

      Qora is a bit of a different beast.  I'm still digging into this section of code but if my quick-scan of DB, Crypto and Account files has produced an accurate understanding, your wallet seed is a random value, stored to a secure DB. Each time a new account is generated, a nonce is appended to the the seed, and a new address is calculated and stored in the DB.

      Specifically, an address account is generated by taking the Nonce+seed+Nonce value and double-SHA-256 hashing it to produce a unique account seed.

      Next, a Key pair is generated using Ed25519 key pair creation, from the account seed.  To be clear, Ed25519 is slightly different than Curve25519 (which is what Nxt uses.)  After the Pub/Privkey pair is generated,the application takes the RIPEMD160 of the SHA-256 hash of the pub-key.  NExt, Qora prepends a version byte to this hash and then double, SHA-256 hashes the byte array and finally appends the first four bytes of the new hash, to the former.  These last four bytes are used as an account checksum and are used for account ID validation.

      This process of a account generation is significantly different than Nxt.  Obviously, Qora makes use of a wallet, where Nxt does not.  Still, the process of creating a payment address is far more robust than Nxt.  In fact, this process is almost-exactly how BTC addresses are created, rather than Nxt.  The only variation is that the version byte is likely different (which results in the "Q" at the beginning of the address) and Ed25519 keys are used by Qora where ECDSA keys are used by BTC and it's clones.

      Forging

      First, let me go ahead and say that forging is something that I've never looked into deeply. I  understand the very high-level nature of it and I very much understand the big differences between traditional "1.0" coins and these new PoS "2.0" coins.  My notes on forging will, therefore, be very basic sense I know so little about the nuts-and-bolts.  Regardless, here are my observations.

      The code is significantly organized in a different manner.  At first glance, I think Nxt and Qora us a completely different approach to come up with similar results.  Again, Qora is more succinct than Nxt.  I'll have to take a while longer to dig into this but since I can't seem to figure out how to build and debug java code through eclipse (:P yeah, pretty basic stuff, I know...) I can't run the code and step through this portion to clarify what's going on.  All I can verify is that Nxt vs. Qora looks completely different.  Also, Qora makes use of the global "Generating Balance" to determine the block Target.  From my scan of the Nxt code, no such value is used.  I think there is a bit more randomness to Nxt than their might be of Qora, but I won't stand by that.  Qora basically looks at the time since the last block, the forgers personal balance and the total balance of forging accounts.  It then uses a fairly straight forward process to test if a block has been forged.

      I haven't been able to figure out what Nxt does.  This isn't because of poor Nxt coding.  It's because I don't have the time to look into it.  If a Nxt guru is around, please comment.

      Final Thoughts

      My vote is, no, this is not a clone.  If Qora was inspired by Nxt, I would make the guess that he read up a lot on it, possibly read through the source and thought "I can do that" and gave it a go at writing his own application.  Qora uses mostly different libraries and is structured significantly different.  

      I also assume that Qora is a professional day-time coder, who works with a team of devs at a software firm or possibly large company.  Nxt feels like good, solid code, but it doesn't adhere to strict practices that big-team developers tend to follow since they are use to having to organize and share  code with co-workers.  I know that open source projects are often shared across devs, but having worked in both environments I can attest that "good" developers, in both areas of software engineering tend to have different coding approaches and styles because requirements differ.  Qora feels like it's written by an experienced, professional business coder, while Nxt feels like a large, open source project.

      One piece of software isn't necessarily better than the other but they look VERY different.  This adds to strong evidence supporting that this is almost certainly NOT a clone.


      Title: Re: QORA IS OPEN SOURCE !!!
      Post by: Djinou94 on December 11, 2014, 01:06:36 AM
      It's definitely not a clone

      Congrats guys, open source really matters!

      First look thoughts:

      1. This is definitely not another Nxt fork
      2. What's in native libs? I guess the should be opensourced as well.
      3. I did successfully run Qora under Intellij Idea by importing Eclipse project in the repo and adding native libs to a project
      4. JSON settings are looking cool, but comments are needed, I guess, especially for non-coders
      5. Got unsafe memory issue related to MapDb https://github.com/Qora/Qora/issues/8 . I guess it's better to avoid off-heap operations, for current MapDb state at least. I bet I did read Jan Kotek's article on how to do that.
      6. Worse issue, I got not much useful message trying to run a node after crash https://github.com/Qora/Qora/issues/9 . Verbosity matters here.
      7. Code seems to be more clean & easier to read than Nxt at the moment. However, after adding features / patches it could be the same, so have luck guys  ;D   And formatting isn't Sun(Oracle)'s standard http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/codeconvtoc-136057.html (the same is true for Nxt).
      8. Commented code is not good and not necessary with VCS (the same is true for Nxt at the moment as well)
      9. What's the Orders launcher about  ???
      10. Any detailed description of Arbitrary Transaction available?



      All I can verify is that Nxt vs. Qora looks completely different.  Also, Qora makes use of the global "Generating Balance" to determine the block Target.  From my scan of the Nxt code, no such value is used.  I think there is a bit more randomness to Nxt than their might be of Qora, but I won't stand by that.  Qora basically looks at the time since the last block, the forgers personal balance and the total balance of forging accounts.  It then uses a fairly straight forward process to test if a block has been forged.

      I haven't been able to figure out what Nxt does.  This isn't because of poor Nxt coding.  It's because I don't have the time to look into it.  If a Nxt guru is around, please comment.

      You can get Nxt forging algo in slighlty simplified form in my blog http://chepurnoy.org/blog/2014/10/inside-a-proof-of-stake-cryptocurrency-part-2/ . And I'm going to investigate Qora's forging algo(got no detailed view from first investigation). I can even publish a blog on that if it's interesting, and make executable simulation of Qora forging process(I already made that for Nxt https://github.com/ConsensusResearch/ForgingSimulation )


      I haven't been able to figure out what Nxt does.  This isn't because of poor Nxt coding.  It's because I don't have the time to look into it.  If a Nxt guru is around, please comment.


      I am not a Nxt guru but i reviewed the Nxt Code and i understand the Nxt forging algo.
      Qora's forging Algo is definitely better, if it actually works (safe).
      I think the biggest secret is still hidden in these native files.

      I am not a crypto-expert, but i think
      the problem with ECDSA is that for a specific public key and specific data to sign there are several valid signatures. That makes it normally a bad choice to determinate the next forging account.
      Qora must have somehow solved that problem.
      But as long as these native libs are not OS we will not know how.




      Title: Re: QORA IS OPEN SOURCE !!!
      Post by: Djinou94 on December 11, 2014, 01:09:26 AM
      AT integrating almost ready!

      Congrats to qora for making it OpenSource. Now I am sure nobody will be able to say that qora is a nxt clone. Soon AT will be also launched and added to the repo. I will try to synchronize both releases of AT (qora and burst) so we can also run some atomic cross chain txs. Burst version ( as it is a nxt clone ) is also almost ready, Qora needs some work but is almost ready.  Also, while integrating AT in qora platform we added more functionality (new op codes), you can check the documentation in www.ciyam.org/at to see more info.


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