Bitcoin Forum

For the record, I realize that this topic should be in "meta", but nobody reads that section...

I just created this forum topic in this "Bitcoin Discussion" section, and it was instantly moved to the economics section: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=7774.0 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=7774.0)

I fail to see how the topic is more related to the "economics" of bitcoin than general bitcoin discussion itself? I was talking about the security/acceptance of the bitcoin blockchain, not the price or cost of anything.

That and it seems like there have been like 10 posts moved in the last 10 minutes...

I considered currency competition between various bitcoin blocks an economic issue.

Hrmmm, and I considered it to be more of a bitcoin-centric/generic issue pertaining to everybody who owns or participates in Bitcoin, not just those who are interested in the economics of it. What to do?! :S

Maybe we could have a forum process of waiting for a few forum readers to suggest to the moderator(s) that a post be moved... that way it is somewhat more of a democratic process.

Inb4 I hate democracy -kiba

I think that that thread was fine where it was.

Kiba, calm down with the moving man. People put stuff where it goes roughly, that's all you can hope for.

Exactly my point.

I have participated in many forums in my time and it is quite rare that a thread actually gets moved. Usually if you blatantly post in the wrong section you will be called out by a few members for doing so and you will not do so again.

If the forum sections are too vague/limited then that is not my fault.

Don't get me wrong though kiba, I appreciate you doing your job as moderator of this forum, I simply suggest we democratize the moving process a bit and get some more input rather than just one man determining what should go where.

EDIT: Lol, and now this move two minutes later? Are you kidding me? My post about possibly being addicted to Bitcoin is more related to the "bitcoin discussion" area than it is "off topic"? I was purely joking, obviously...?

/me shrugs

I don't really care.

You should. This isn't "your" forum. Are you high right now or something? Go take a break and step outside or something please...

And I don't care either way.

Who went and made you moderator again?

I support benevolent/rational autocratic authority.  The thread was clearly an economic one.

And I don't care if I lose my power.

Why don't you simply give it up then?

You have made it quite clear right now that you do not care to keep your position.

good commander listens to his army

+1 for mewantsbitcoins if we still had karma, and -1 billion for kiba...

I'm actually getting quite irate about this situation now... I am going to excuse myself from bitcoin.org until tomorrow. 'Night all!

I said I don't care either way.

I am not sure why people are getting worked up by my categorization effort.

this is a forum full of anarchists and hackers; you are moving their posts (infringing on their speech!).  of course they get upset.

the market being boring probably has an effect as well

K, let's start right now. I, for one, think this thread should definitely be moved to Meta because "nobody reads that section" is never a good excuse to post something in the wrong section.

That may be so, but I am changing or censoring anybody at all. Just moving them to the right place.

What you perceive as "the right place" might be perceived differently by other people, so why don't you leave things where they are and save some time for yourself and other?

My sorting algorithm is about 99% accurate as far as I am concerned.

You must be joking  ;D ;D ;D

Nobody complains. I consider that a "yes".

I admire your determination, but that's just stupid

Don't like the moving? Complain each and every time I moved something. Than I'll stop moving anything.

Right now, it looks to me to be the first complaint about an everyday routine maintenance activity.

I don't think Kiba was saying that he doesn't care what people think. I think he was saying that he doesn't care which section this particular post goes in. Sorry, Kiba, if I'm wrong and being presumptuous.

In general I don't think there is usually one right section for a post. If someone wants economic analysis of a subject or thought they'll put it there. They might put the exact same post in say project development if they are more interested in the logistics of actually doing the thing or want help or something.

A good rule would be to trust that someone with 100+ posts knows about all the sections and made an informed decision about where to place a thread unless it is totally obviously wrong. Like a WTB in Meta, people sometimes mistakenly think they are in a different forum. Noobs though are more often careless, and also less likely to have a strong desire for putting it in a certain place. I don't start many threads, but if I do I know I want them where I put them.

So, more deference to old-timers and more 'help' for newbies imo. And less moving in general, though I know some of it is just transitional.

Right. I don't really fight hard when push come to shove. A few posts back and forth about a particular thread in question should be the end of it.

On the other hand, I am highly amused by people asserting their independence against me as if it were for the very spirit of the forum.  :D

Folks, this is just maintenance. No need to blow it out of proportion.

I don't mind all the moving, however I'd prefer if it just got completely moved, without leaving behind a message saying where it went.

All those little empty "This has been moved" threads are annoying.

People can always use the search if they're looking for something specific.

Have you ever wondered why you are the only mod feeling the need to move threads?

No.  ;)

If you are a participant in a thread, you will be wondering where the thread goes.

And then you will see the search feature and the earth will start rotating again.

OPs can move their topics back if they disagree with moves. Then we can have a discussion about whether it was appropriate.

A few of kiba's recent moves were unnecessary, IMO. I try not to move topics unless almost all people would agree with my categorization.

Freedom of speech only applies on your own property. If these forums get too oppressive, we'll just make our own.

That being said, I don't really see the point in organizing things too strictly. If I click on a thread entitled "the economics of Bitcoin" then I expect to see some economic discussion. I don't really care if it's in the "Bitcoin Discussion" or the "Economics" section. I doubt anyone is going to feel slighted. Then again, I don't really care about the moves either. I just like arguing. :P

Isn't this the whole problem of items fitting into multiple categories. Threads should be tagged based on each category they fall under, not exclusively placed in one section.

@kiba: your lust for power will be your undoing. One day, the forum will rise up and take back what is theirs! You think you can just push us around, tell us where threads will go? We will not be subject to your tyranny much longer. Sleep with one eye open...

You're asking for something other than a message board..

A hugely active board such as this one does need active moderation. I don't agree that what Kiba is doing is wrong. He's only putting things in the right place, not deleting them.

He is also leaving a lot of "moved" messages, for which is completely unnecessary.
Plus some changes are arguable, topics should only be moved if it is completely clear they are in the wrong section.

Also, his attitude of "don't care" isn't the best.

That is all this thread is about.

And you reported.


I am curious that people call for stripping my power simply because of the perceived excess categorization and simply because of my attitude.

Perhaps, I will be stripped of my power. Big fricking deal. Other mods will be there to pick up the slack.

Calling for stripping of powers seems silly. He's one of the most active members and obviously not malicious.

I just say, relax a bit bud :) You're wasting your time trying to fit everything perfectly and making the forums look a bit cluttered

Besides, I have enough trouble reading all the threads that show up already!

No, your powers are fine. It is just about dealing with your attitude. I reported so that other mods could look and help you in a civil way. You can read it because, obviously, you are a mod. The report is plainly o your attitude, not on your actions.

They are fine, though this are some criticisms to help you. You as a mod need to hear the community. Some posts were great, for instance you defending the moving by telling nobody complained. The post on "don't care" is what worries me. Why did you posted that?

Because being a mod shouldn't be a big deal?

It isn't a big deal. Being a mod or not, the don't care attitude isn't the best nor something worth posting.

We could close this if you want at any moment.

The only thing that should matter is whether or not I do my job.

Well, if you want to look it like the don't care attitude isn't the best since you give a bad impression of the forums. Again, all your arguments were mostly great. You hit yourself in the wall for posting the "don't care" message.

common man, leave the threads alone - shit's just sliding out of view before i can read it