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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/19/world/europe/scotland-independence-vote.html

United we stand, divided we fall.

E pluribus unum.


Scotland made the right choice. Unite with england and tackle the problems together. The idea that you want to divide up europe even more instead of banding together and tackling the common problems is insanity in today's world.

Europe and UK cannot be divided any more then they already are.

Bitcoin has taught us that single points of failure and single central authority isnt as strong as distributed power and many authorities.

The Scottish not leaving England is a bad result, more division is needed not less.  You can still make alliances for common interests.

Im English and i say divide it all up even further i dont want to live in a 60 million person tribe as it is - we cant run these large tribes efficiently.

Go write a thesis or something. I hear the braindead liberal college profressors want to fornicate with those kinds of papers during their lonely nights.

Leave the real job to professionals. If democratic processes and separation of power are not working, it' most likely because of people like you.

Yeah people like me have all the power sure...

45% which is a huge amount are now forced into a deal they dont want, split it all up even further far beyond just scotland imo.

Look at the Glasgow result also, large city = people farmed on large scale, people hate it, poor people suffer bad farmed in these shit hole cities.

Sorry to inform you but if democratic processes and separation of power are not working, it's because democracy was made to rule in one city (Rome)... and there it made spectacular job! But as imperium was growing it becomes unsustainable.

Crack open a book. better yet, do your own research. Democracy was not invented in rome. No one in their right mind without bias would consider US a successor to rome - that's just an excuse for fool to bitch about 'imperialism' while they oppress their own people and fuck each other for crumbs.

Ahem, Rome's democracy system was made base of many modern democracy system, yes democracy was here before Rome, but it's undenyable to me that it was made rather to control smaller parts/cities than big countries. Also US law system (Imperial one) is far away from systems based on Roman law...
I agree i wrote it not precisely, Rome was surely greatest contributor to democratic system to date, so yes, we can conside Rome as origin of modern democracy

That silent "majority" that is paid to count the votes so that the worst possible evil "wins" and hundreds of millions of taxpayers' pounds are wasted in a pointless exercise with a predetermined result.

lol i suppose you think you can say internet was invented with telegraph. You are what passes for educated these days. Weak equivalence, baseless comparisons and completely undisciplined use of what plagiarizes academic standards that obviously has no clue what it means to know anything.


Cry more, if you can. While you are at it, pretend you know how corruption works and keep telling those imaginary scenarios in your head - not that you ever had actual experience of dealing with them.

And i am really happy you can make statements like this, with no added value, or explaining anything :) Classic interwebz politics discussion.

But just for my amusement: what makes base for modern democracy? From your posts i can see it wasn't Romans, who was it then? Athenians? Tell me!

Basis of modern democracy draws heavily from american experience, one that is both unique in origin, intent, and design. It self referenced several sources both pre-modern and ancient, such as swiss canton system, but the overall character of the system itself in modern era is uniquely american, with a slight influence of british parliamentary system that shows up in various places.

You make a good toy, pretending you know anything when you are obviously making very weak tangential connections. On the other hand, you don't bother to know proper facts - just what you read from very biased sources that confuse political bias with 'truth'. Better yet, you try to squeeze it through the narrow slit you call eyes and lable it as the one and only truth.

Get the message? :) If you can't understand anything I said that pointed out the vapid ignorance in your statements, then feel free to go running your mouth about how you don't get it. I will be happy to spell it out for you again :D

First: thanks for your nice response.

Second: I am geting the image where the problem is. We have just different opinion on what is based on what, and from what I know you are missing something from history lessons.

Also you must be American (say if I am wrong ofc, but...)! Otherwise you couldn't say American law system is original ( based on UK system - precedential one - and Montesquieu's and many other thinkers works, he's just only one i can recall atm, as well as many other systems, nothing original beside that combination).
Americans basically just took everything good that was in that time and put it together and make a system. And since then everyone else is trying to be like US, making perfect "democracy" and so. Not because it was original, but good combination of previous attempts and/or thoughts. Besides that, US was really young, what experience you are talking about?
As you can see, in my point of view, i am going really deep, thus considering older entities as Romans, originators of modern democracy. Thats my opinion and I can clearly see you won't agree. Cuz I don't know proper(*) facts. heh

Third: I really don't know how you discover that i am toy! It was secret well kept till now!
But no joking, I am amazed how you can evaluate my character in just two posts about topic that is more about our history knowledge and opinions than me being toy  ::).
I didn't say i know everything, nor i can't change my opinion, but tell me, read our discussion and be honest: would you change your opinion being in my place? Your facts and posts you are presenting are far away from healthy and productive discussion but rather going on "American freedom" way of trash talking.

I really don't get what shouldn't i get?! I though't we'would be presenting facts, not fighting like teenagers in yo mamma  fight...


*  -  :D  really?  you know, saying thing like proper fact is bullshit, since there are only facts. This is making me feel you are the ignorant one here...

LOL i haven't heard this much kiddy bull masquerading as education in a long time. Most fools at least caught the message and managed to keep their mouth shut when their betters are talking them down.

You clearly have no idea how much experience was crammed into american history in a way that laughs at other culture's so called 'history'. Not to mention you haven't got a clue about what it really means to create a political system. Hint: it's not what you read off of books or emulated from others. The core foundation of such system has roots in collective experience of the people, and their manner towards such laws.

American experience is unique in scale, the idea, and environment in which it started and continues on. The fact that you think you can mouth off about 'originality' reeks of desperate denial that seeks the slimmest excuses to try and convince yourself how you need not feel so anxious about america - for some reason, many people seem to bitch until their throats are hoarse as if they are pricked in the sore spot when america comes around :D

You are going 'deep' through your own bull shit, but that's present day education :) Try being original for once instead of playing some sad contrarian.

Scotland is divided. There was a large majority who voted NO in Edinburgh but a large majority voted YES in Glasgow. I knew the 2 cities were very different, now the whole world knows it. The world will forget, but the Scots will not.

Since other parts of your post are just trash....

So you are saying US got their system based on just their founding fathers thoughts and experience (which they gained from studying history of laws and political systems), not experience of humanity for last thousand years in that time? Ignorance is a bliss. If anything more on this topic create a thread, i'd love to continue there, not hijacking this one which is contributed to Scotland and its separation.

You are wasting your time with this guy nakazznicek he posts stuff like:



but then



United by choice > United by force. 

If you dont have the skills to influence someone to change their opinion on just an internet forum without directly attacking them like a wild animal then you aren't likely qualified for judgements on whats right for people/society on a larger scale.

As a foreigner (American), I'm glad to hear they're staying.  I think they will have more influence on the world stage this way and the world desperately needs their common sense.

With Scotland re-affirming their wedding vows to their UK masters, ole' Cameron will be lifting a few kilts from the back and slipping his rod firm up the Scots for good measure.

With Catalonians and the Basques getting restless in Spain, also the wealthy Bavarians and Venetians in Germany and Italy wanting a bit of independent action, what would the likeliest states in the US be on a list of 1 to 10 for those wanting to separate from their federal US masters ?

Free Cascadia~

History seems to have a way of repeating itself. This is eerily reminiscent of the Revolutions that took place across Europe in 1848 which all eventually failed without exception. Then again, I don't think that too many people here know what I'm posting about.

first:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/36665197.jpg


then:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qWhA3Yty4fM/TZkmEMlBgRI/AAAAAAAAKuM/aUCWhR8RGys/s1600/Epic_Facepalm_by_RJTH%2525255B1%2525255D%255B1%255D.jpg

LOL pot kettle. Really, that's sad.

And just how much of 'choice' do you understand? 'Force'? People like you have no understanding of what true nature of choice entails and hence deserves none. Hint: It's not about doing whatever you like.

;D

YES counted as NO:
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4802/63627607.5/0_ef52f_5eea44c1_orig.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbJif7vISQg

@ 2:08.

110% on CNN:
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4801/63627607.5/0_ef52d_7c2c260a_orig.jpg

Honeypot, you basically just got owned by someone who's first language appears not to be English, and then had to resort to childish attacks because you couldn't get your opinions across in a mature way. Kindly fuck off if you can't have a proper discussion without mouthing off. You Sir, get the coveted first ever place in my ignore list.

I never started attacking people wildly like you, there is no pot kettle situation.

And meh, cant even be bothered with the rest tbh. You win no votes, bye.

'Owned' :D This fucker got a mouth. Who was it that thought this was a 'classic internet politics'? Fuck yourself if you can't keep your lips sealed when you are told.

Did you even bother to read? Ah but ignorance is a bliss. You sound a bit frustrated with how you like to be uppity when you think you can decide this matter as if you can even understand the subtext.

You haven't addressed a single point, only threw tantrums. Now, I expect some answers as to the points I made, none of which you could address properly. It seems you are simply incapable of having a discussion if you can't close down the inconvenient facts and instead resort to thinking you 'can't be bothered' :)

Bitch please~

You better come up with a better response, because scotland ain't going anywhere no matter how much you bitch about it.

Of course, you think your own laws are part of that 'humanity' LOL

How old is you? You must be young and weak to spew this garbage and call it discussion. You never answered any of my points - instead of explaining yourself, you resorted to questions. Your own position indefensible because you carelessly mouthed off about your 'educated' views when it was clearly an ignorant statement that was devoid of substance and against facts of history.

Give a straight answer for once. Your question time is over.

If this is the case then just the one city can leave the UK. If this would not be feasible then there is nothing to complain about.

I personally never say any upside to leaving the UK.Scottland would have a small economy, with little trust in their ability to tax and repay their debt (their credit rating). They would have no currency (they would need to create one).

The decision to put Scottish independence to the vote was agreed upon by all sides. The campaign from both sides of the question was conducted peacefully without violence or threats. And the leader? of those who want independence has graciously conceded. There have been no riots in the streets. I think maybe others should pay attention to the lesson in civility that the people of Scotland has just given.

There haven't been riots in the streets in the US over election fraud for a long time either (since the Battle of Athens, I believe). Civility does not prove legitimacy.

Everyone should remember that the only age group which voted for the Union is the elderly (60+ yrs). All the other age groups were voting for independence.

Including corpses, one of the mainstays of election fraud.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/29279384


That is a gigantic margin. In future, there is no doubt that Scotland will secede from England, unless the British find some way to neutralize this huge gap.

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4288340.ece/alternates/s615/top-yes2.jpg

http://s3.mirror.co.uk/mirror/ampp3d/articles/indy-ref-by-age.jpg

Was it paper ballots, hand counted? Or was it corrupt, electronic voting machines?  :)

Good luck to Scotland going forward. Hopefully this will be an eye opener to Great Britain to address the issues that led 45% of voters to want independence. Nice to see clean democracy at work.

Scotland have their own laws, their own Parliament, we even let them keep the stone of scone so it was all nonsense anyway because all they are dependant on is money from the treasury via the Barnett formula which is base on current population figures.

The stone of scone known as The Stone of Destiny or The Coronation Stone of the Kings of Tara (Ireland) was originally robbed from Ireland by one of the AWOL kings of Ireland.

It was taken across to Argyll (Scotland) by Scotland's first Irish King Fergus son of Erc in 1200 odd when many a ruling clan of Ireland would pop over to Scotland to sort things out there as the Irish had been populating Scotland for most of the last seven centuries from the 5th century, hence the familiar Gaelic language the Scots speak based on old Irish.

The Scots robbed whiskey off the Irish too.

The word whisky (or whiskey) is an anglicisation of the Gaelic word uisce/uisge meaning water.

The first confirmed written record of whisky comes from 1405 in Ireland. In the Irish Annals of Clonmacnoise in 1405, the first written record of whisky attributes the death of a chieftain to "taking a surfeit of aqua vitae" at Christmas.

In Scotland, the first evidence of whisky production comes from an entry in the Exchequer Rolls for 1494 where malt is sent "To Friar John Cor, by order of the king, to make aquavitae", enough to make about 500 bottles.

With a licence to distil Irish whiskey from 1608, the Old Bushmills Distillery in Northern Ireland is the oldest licenced whiskey distillery in the world.

Scottish had  the stone for over 6 centuries in England, it was captured by king Edward I and stored in Westminster Abbey and it was used for coronations because the Kings and Queens of England were also the Kings and Queens of Scotland . They gave the stone back to the Scottish in 96' as a symbolic gesture and there was a handover ceremony before it was taken to Edinburgh Castle.

The scots probably robbed bagpipes off the Irish or Europeans ...

Actual examples of bagpipes [in Scotland] from before the 18th century are extremely rare; however, a substantial number of paintings, carvings, engravings, manuscript illuminations, and so on survive.

Evidence of the bagpipe in Ireland occurs in 1581, when John Derrick's The Image of Irelande clearly depicts a bagpiper. Derrick's illustrations are considered to be reasonably faithful depictions of the attire and equipment of the English and Irish population of the 16th century. The "Battell" sequence from My Ladye Nevells Booke (1591) by William Byrd, which probably alludes to the Irish wars of 1578, contains a piece entitled The bagpipe: & the drone.

In the early part of the second millennium, bagpipes began to appear with frequency in European art and iconography. The Cantigas de Santa Maria, compiled in Castile in the mid-13th century, depicts several types of bagpipes. Though evidence of bagpipes in the British Isles prior to the 14th century is contested, bagpipes are explicitly mentioned in The Canterbury Tales (written around 1380): A baggepype wel coude he blowe and sowne, /And ther-with-al he broghte us out of towne.

The Scottish realized it is difficult to be hardcore Socialists when you run out of other people's money to spend. Staying in the UK means they can keep spending other people's money.

It was offered back on loan to the Scots, but will still be taken when needed for royal coronations. More so, especially now the Scots are UK bitches and whoever needs to get crowned south of the border will just holler at the scots to get the feckin stone back down.

Just think though in the future if young English royals turn out to be gay ? What will happen if royal sons and daughters turn out to be chutney ferrets and carpet munchers ?

Will royal bosses ban gay boys and lesbo's and get less gay royals further down the chain to step up to the plate ? Is english royalism all a load of anti-gay fascist and gay bashing power hoarding, dashing for the big cash with no regard for sexual orientation ?

That English shit Eamon de Valera was gay as Liberace.

Yes, it will be used for coronations which is like once or twice a century, but it will always be given back to the Scots. And there will will never be a gay royal or prince/princess as it's not genetic and is due to up-bringing and liberal attitudes so I don't know why you mention this?

What a joke. :D Staying in the UK means that Westminster officials will continue to spend their money.

As gay as a may flower dandy as they say.
Auld Pilgrim Poem ..

I came on the boat to see americee,

I was rodgered by injuns in two's and three's,

I sucked a tribe dry ooh ma belly ached good,

I did it again for the whole neighbourhood.


chorus ..

Stockings and garters, ruffs and cuffs,

Stuff me hard up the chuff so rough,

Laces and bows and frills all dandy,

Fuck ma ass hard and call me Mandy.


repeat chorus ..

Stockings and garters, ruffs and cuffs,

Stuff me hard up the chuff so rough,

Laces and bows and frills all dandy,

Fuck ma ass hard and call me Mandy.

Charles was the biggest faggot the royals had for some time, although Diana was a bit of a horse, Charles had no interest and wanted the company of a right old knackers yard hoofer Camilla, like a bloke in drag altogether.

Especially Edward number one poof. Andrew was a bit more of a hardcore swordsman out of the three brothers, prob fucked Diana if he had half a chance plus most of the loose skirt about in his day. Still he married and divorced a fat hoofer. All feckin' queers the lot of them.

http://www.sundaypost.com/that-s-life/memories/prince-edward-at-50-fifty-facts-you-didn-t-know-about-him-1.258332
24. In January 1987 he dropped out of training with the Royal Marines. It was said at the time that his father, the Captain General of the Marines, berated Edward and reduced him to tears. (gay)

28. In February 1988 he joined Andrew Lloyd Webber’s The Really Useful Theatre Group. (gay)

31. In 1990 Edward reacted angrily to persistent rumours he had more than a friendship with the singer Michael Ball. “I am not gay!” he told a reporter, adding: “It’s just outrageous to suggest this sort of thing. It’s so unfair to me and my family.” (gay)

42. The couple struggled to have a baby and used IVF treatment. (gay)

45. In 2001 Sophie made disparaging comments about her royal relations to an undercover reporter. In return for them not to be used fully she gave an interview to the News of the World and was mortified that the headline they used was ‘My Edward is Not Gay’. (gay)

46. The prince is considered pompous by palace staff. His chauffeur was reportedly informed he has to sit facing the front even if the car is stationary. (gay)

47. The couple still have a flat inside Buckingham Palace where their bed is covered in fluffy toy dogs and bears. (gay)

The vox populi has to be respected, kudos for the large turnout
As somebody said, shows the limits of nationalism absent economic rationality

I don't understand this election stuff !!! if they always wanted to go with UK ..what was all that stuff about "free Scotland" . ???

Most of the 16 to 17-year-olds get their money from parents as pocket money. When they'll learn how hard is to earn money with jobs, I suppose may start to revise their positions.


Agreed. Kudos to all Scots!