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Today the Salt Lake City District Attorney ruled that the shooting death of 20-year-old Dillon Taylor was justified. Taylor was on his way to visit his mother’s grave, along with his cousin, Adam Thayne and his brother, Jerrail Taylor, just moments before a group of cops rolled into the parking lot on August 11, 2014. Both Taylor’s brother and cousin say he was wearing headphones.

Police claim that they stopped the three young men because of a 911 call about someone waving a gun around. They also claim that Taylor matched the description given during that call. Taylor did not have a gun on him, and no gun was ever recovered from the area of the shooting. According to the St. Louis Tribune, the caller told 911 dispatch:

    “Some gangbangers” walking near 200 East and 1900 South had “flashed” a gun.

    “They’re obviously looking for trouble, just the way they look.”

That caller is eerily similar to the caller that reported a black man, John Crawford, with a gun in Walmart. Crawford was purchasing an air rifle from the store. That 911 call led to his death; another shooting that was found “justified” by a system that seems to have lost all sense of right and wrong.

In the video you can see police approaching the three young men in the parking lot of the convenience store where Taylor was shot. It’s clear from the video that both Thayne and Jerrail Taylor heard and saw the police, and responded accordingly. Although there is no sound in the beginning of the video, both men put their hands up, apparently following a police directive.

Dillon Taylor continued walking at a normal pace, consistent with someone who did not realize that there was a cop behind him, pointing a gun at his back.

Here’s the video from the officer’s body cam, via KUFRNEWS:

*warning this video contains graphic images
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ejrxHwvJCE

That did NOT look justified. He did not obey police instructions and I assume the officer thought he was clutching a gun at his waist, but you can't just shoot someone for that.

so should the cop have risked his life and waited another second to see if there was a gun or not?  I mean I'm not all for the police being justified in every shooting, but when someone is walking away, then puts their hands into their pockets, cops expect a weapon to come out.  Obviously in hindsight he could have taken cover behind a car, then continued making his commands, but he didn't.

I'm sympathetic, my Dad was a cop. But, yes, he needs to risk his life and wait. I carry every day and the law is the same for me. I can only shoot if it is reasonable to think that my life is in immediate danger. Just because someone is non-compliant does not rise to this standard. He needs to see a gun or hear a threat to his life from the suspect.
Of course it was not an execution of any kind. It was a scared man who shot another man based on his fear. If you or I had done this we would be convicted of murder. There is no exemption for being a cop. You made the right call when you suggested he take cover.

Another innocent person murdered simply because he had his hands in his pocket.

All it takes is for you to have your hands in your pocket and if you don't respond to the officer within 2-3 seconds they will kill you.

And they will get away with it.

This country holds cops to the same standard as trained monkeys, apparently.

are you kidding? he wasn't just walking with his hands in his pockets. he put them into his pockets, turned around and took them out.  cops need to think in a split second, or he could have been dead, and potentially others that were in that parking lot.  yes its unfortunate, but put yourself in that situation. I'm sure hes seen 100 other situations like that where someone DID have a gun in their belt.  Dont say you wouldnt have done the same thing.

Bullshit. The cop coulda waited half a second to see if there was a gun in his hand or not. Blindly MURDERING the kid for NO REASON was completely unnecessary.

He had headphones in, he couldn't clearly hear the officers. So now turning around to face an officer when you just realized they were talking to you and then taking your hands out of your pockets so you can talk to them warrants a death sentence? Haha... God Bless America.

The copper should be in jail or at-least barred from ever being a cop again.

This is a shame.

a split second would have been too long.  the kid saw the cop pull up, and decided to play games. yes its sad, but he acted stupidly to try to play games with a cop.

Cops in the US seem to be way too trigger happy. Seems like every week there's another murder by some power-crazed redneck cop.



If you're lucky you might just get tazered...

I don't think he was playing games. He was walking away with headphones in, unaware of what was happening. Then he turns around and sees a gun in his face.. probably not sure how to react. Then a second later he is dead. Clearly the cop over-reacted and there should be consequences for the cop, otherwise it sends a message that they can get away with murder whenever they want.

thats hardly murder, clearly it was not premeditated.  I'm not saying this kid deserved being shot, but he saw the car pull up, and decided to run off.  and anyone with half a brain knows you dont try to do jumpy stupid things like stick your hands down your pants when a cop is trying to talk to you.  its sad, yes, but not murder

Yeah sorry but that is way to aggressive policing, like you say they could have just hung back.  The suspect wasn't waving a gun around when they initially saw him i dont see why the public should immediately stand to attention 100% of the time the police approach.  

Seems like you play for higher stakes in america.

Are you under the impression that cops regularly don't get away with murder? I'd love to see nationwide statistics on what how often police departments rule their own shootings to be justified, but those statistics don't exist because police aren't interested in being overseen by civilians.

Police departments shouldn't be able to investigate their own shootings. Every single one that results in a life taken should be investigated by an impartial, outside source that has no ties to the police department. In Wisconsin, police shootings used to be investigated by the police department that did the killing. In every single case over 129 year period, not one shooting was ruled unjustified. Does that seem likely to you? It sounds to me like police looking out for each other, and not the public they are sworn to protect.

I highly recommend this story about a shooting in Wisconsin that spurred one father's fight to get the law changed so that police departments couldn't investigate their own shootings:  http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/08/what-i-did-after-police-killed-my-son-110038.html (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/08/what-i-did-after-police-killed-my-son-110038.html)

tl;dr his son was sitting on a street corner in police custody with his hands cuffed behind his back. A cop shot him in the head twice at point blank range (he pulled the trigger twice because the first shot misfired). The shooting was ruled justified by the same Wisconsin police department that shot him because the officer believed that the handcuffed kid sitting on the curb was trying to get his gun. An outside review determined the officer got his gun holster caught on a car mirror as he walked by it, mistook this for the kid reaching for his gun, and his first instinct was to shoot him in the head twice while he was still seated with his hands cuffed behind his back.

Remember. Cops answer to their sergeant, who answers to the lieutenant, who answers to the captain, who answers to the police commissioner, who answers to the city council. While the chain of command isn't always the same, the city council is the group that should have made sure that the policing policies that were set in place did not offer a chance to harm anyone.

You have a way more likely chance of being killed by a police officer than you do by any other kind of terrorist. Get after your city council and force them to install training and policies in your police department that protect you rather than harm you. If they won't do this, arm yourself, and demand the removal of the police department.

Consider common law litigation, which doesn't follow police policy or statute law.

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The opening of this article is chilling:

After police in Kenosha, Wis., shot my 21-year-old son to death outside his house ten years ago — and then immediately cleared themselves of all wrongdoing — an African-American man approached me and said: “If they can shoot a white boy like a dog, imagine what we’ve been going through."

I'm not anti-cop, but I'm certainly anti-bad cop. There's just no room in our society for those who take lives needlessly and then hide behind their badge and the police union to protect their job or pension.

Tip of the iceberg dude, police brutality in the US has got way out of hand. Not saying they're all psychopaths but there does seem to be a culture now of shooting first and asking questions later. The militarization of the cops certainly hasn't helped, they're policing the country as if it's a warzone.

Exactly. It's not the use of deadly force per se that is the problem, it's the immediate use of all types of force as the solution to the immediate problem. Tasers aren't the solution, it just reinforces the notion that cops have these instruments to make people do what they want when they order it, and the fact that they're supposed to be nonlethal (which is not always the case) increases the likelihood they'll use them.

Oh say for instance this cop who tasered an elderly woman in the back as she was walking away from him:  http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/us/florida-police-tase-woman/index.html?iref=allsearch (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/us/florida-police-tase-woman/index.html?iref=allsearch)

NOT A JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE.

Yeah I read about that woman getting tazered, absolute disgrace. Expect the cop will not get charged, probably get himself a nice fat pension when he retires.

Their operational procedures do need to drastically change, cops are meant to serve the public, not act like some roid-raged Judge Dredd.

anyone with half a brain knows the difference between "running off" and "walking casually" away still.
It is murder. They are supposedly trained to make those split second decisions and see a weapon. Not just shoot because
the person did what they were told to do.
So if they didn't take their hands out of their pockets than what?

Actually anyone with half a brain would know not to start taking off when a cop pulls up directly in front of them. Anyone with an iq above 50 would know you dont stick ypur hands down ypur pants and pull them out quickly when a cop has a gun aimed at ypur chest 5 feet away. I guess you dont fall into either of those categories.

If he didnt take his hands out he could have lived through that. Just a good lesson why you dont screw around with a cop. Honestly im not trying to defend the cop, but you throwing around the term "murder" shows how ignorant you really are.

Murder is the unjustified taking of a life, which sounds much closer to the circumstances of this case than not. Victim-blaming here is a frequent tactic for someone defending police brutality. 'Anyone with a brain knows not to disobey a cop when he gives you an unjustified order because of racial prejudices.' That's unreasonable. As a free citizen in a free country, you have a right not to be murdered by police. Or subjected to unreasonable searches or orders. Police are granted the power to use force when it is warranted with the expectation they are qualified enough to know when it is warranted. This cop did not. Being a police officer involves known self-sacrifice, in that you are agreeing to put yourself in potentially dangerous situations. That is not an excuse or a justification to be trigger-happy. You still have a duty not to be, and you are still answerable to the public for your actions when you are. If you can't handle that responsibility, DON'T BE A COP.

I dont know if this is murder but its close. Fuck the cops anyways,  no gun means no shoot. Its not this cop but every cop they just shoot at will, they have no backbone or they jsut dont give a fuck. They are worse than criminals they lie, steal, murder and fucking cheat and they get away with it due to the blue code.  Fucking driving around in Mraps and they treat every person like a criminal. Just cause you hae your hands in your pockets/pants doesn't make you a criminal. Kid is probably wondering what the fuck is going on, why he has a gun pointed at him and his shit was in his pants what else was he supposed to do? Almost looks like he is going to lift up his shirt to show he doesnt ahve anything.

This is true, just cause  you disobey a cop doesnt give them right to shoot you dead. People panick or lock up when given orders especially with a gun pointed at them.

A dictionary would benefit you guys:

Murder:  the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought (straight from Merriam-Webster)

Like I said, murder is premeditated.

Again I'm not defending him, but you cant call it murder becasue that is completely 100% not accurate.  To say the cop should have waited a fraction of a second more is to say you think cops should wait to get shot before shooting.  I doubt they are trained to do that.  When you deal with criminals every day, what do you think he expects when soeone reaches their hands down their pants?  Honestly, next time you get pulled over, would you even think about sticking your hands down your pants and pulling them out quickly????????????  Especially if the cops gun was already drawn?????  Come on!

Probably your problem is the same problem cops have: that you view everyone they deal with as criminals. Cops don't have the qualifications to make that call, that's what the courts are for. Everyone in America is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Maybe you've heard of that before? It was a revolutionary concept because it's supposed to keep the government from arbitrarily enforcing laws and supposed to ensure due process, so that people aren't wrongly executed in the streets like this guy was by this overzealous cop.

There are different degrees of murder. Since you're hung up on definitions, why don't you break out a legal dictionary, since that's the definition that matters here.


Second degree murder. Still murder.

Excessive police force is the symptom of the increasing violent community.

Body cams cannot override sociopaths ruling each and every criminal act by LEOs, "justified".

I have to agree.  George Zimmerman was justified in shooting Trayvon Martin.  Darren Wilson may have been justified in shooting Michael Brown, but all the facts haven't been made public yet.  This looks like murder.  Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Benjamin Crump, and all their ilk may have finally found the payday that they've been looking for.

Actually, I just googled "Dillon Taylor" and can see that his skin is the wrong color, so those clowns aren't going to care.