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October 04, 2014, 12:03:14 AM |
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Another innocent person murdered simply because he had his hands in his pocket.
All it takes is for you to have your hands in your pocket and if you don't respond to the officer within 2-3 seconds they will kill you.
And they will get away with it.
This country holds cops to the same standard as trained monkeys, apparently.
are you kidding? he wasn't just walking with his hands in his pockets. he put them into his pockets, turned around and took them out. cops need to think in a split second, or he could have been dead, and potentially others that were in that parking lot. yes its unfortunate, but put yourself in that situation. I'm sure hes seen 100 other situations like that where someone DID have a gun in their belt. Dont say you wouldnt have done the same thing. Bullshit. The cop coulda waited half a second to see if there was a gun in his hand or not. Blindly MURDERING the kid for NO REASON was completely unnecessary. He had headphones in, he couldn't clearly hear the officers. So now turning around to face an officer when you just realized they were talking to you and then taking your hands out of your pockets so you can talk to them warrants a death sentence? Haha... God Bless America. The copper should be in jail or at-least barred from ever being a cop again. a split second would have been too long. the kid saw the cop pull up, and decided to play games. yes its sad, but he acted stupidly to try to play games with a cop. I don't think he was playing games. He was walking away with headphones in, unaware of what was happening. Then he turns around and sees a gun in his face.. probably not sure how to react. Then a second later he is dead. Clearly the cop over-reacted and there should be consequences for the cop, otherwise it sends a message that they can get away with murder whenever they want. thats hardly murder, clearly it was not premeditated. I'm not saying this kid deserved being shot, but he saw the car pull up, and decided to run off. and anyone with half a brain knows you dont try to do jumpy stupid things like stick your hands down your pants when a cop is trying to talk to you. its sad, yes, but not murder anyone with half a brain knows the difference between "running off" and "walking casually" away still. It is murder. They are supposedly trained to make those split second decisions and see a weapon. Not just shoot because the person did what they were told to do. So if they didn't take their hands out of their pockets than what? Actually anyone with half a brain would know not to start taking off when a cop pulls up directly in front of them. Anyone with an iq above 50 would know you dont stick ypur hands down ypur pants and pull them out quickly when a cop has a gun aimed at ypur chest 5 feet away. I guess you dont fall into either of those categories. If he didnt take his hands out he could have lived through that. Just a good lesson why you dont screw around with a cop. Honestly im not trying to defend the cop, but you throwing around the term "murder" shows how ignorant you really are.
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October 04, 2014, 12:29:51 AM |
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Actually anyone with half a brain would know not to start taking off when a cop pulls up directly in front of them. Anyone with an iq above 50 would know you dont stick ypur hands down ypur pants and pull them out quickly when a cop has a gun aimed at ypur chest 5 feet away. I guess you dont fall into either of those categories.
If he didnt take his hands out he could have lived through that. Just a good lesson why you dont screw around with a cop. Honestly im not trying to defend the cop, but you throwing around the term "murder" shows how ignorant you really are.
Murder is the unjustified taking of a life, which sounds much closer to the circumstances of this case than not. Victim-blaming here is a frequent tactic for someone defending police brutality. 'Anyone with a brain knows not to disobey a cop when he gives you an unjustified order because of racial prejudices.' That's unreasonable. As a free citizen in a free country, you have a right not to be murdered by police. Or subjected to unreasonable searches or orders. Police are granted the power to use force when it is warranted with the expectation they are qualified enough to know when it is warranted. This cop did not. Being a police officer involves known self-sacrifice, in that you are agreeing to put yourself in potentially dangerous situations. That is not an excuse or a justification to be trigger-happy. You still have a duty not to be, and you are still answerable to the public for your actions when you are. If you can't handle that responsibility, DON'T BE A COP.
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October 04, 2014, 12:31:13 AM |
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I dont know if this is murder but its close. Fuck the cops anyways, no gun means no shoot. Its not this cop but every cop they just shoot at will, they have no backbone or they jsut dont give a fuck. They are worse than criminals they lie, steal, murder and fucking cheat and they get away with it due to the blue code. Fucking driving around in Mraps and they treat every person like a criminal. Just cause you hae your hands in your pockets/pants doesn't make you a criminal. Kid is probably wondering what the fuck is going on, why he has a gun pointed at him and his shit was in his pants what else was he supposed to do? Almost looks like he is going to lift up his shirt to show he doesnt ahve anything.
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October 04, 2014, 12:32:47 AM |
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Actually anyone with half a brain would know not to start taking off when a cop pulls up directly in front of them. Anyone with an iq above 50 would know you dont stick ypur hands down ypur pants and pull them out quickly when a cop has a gun aimed at ypur chest 5 feet away. I guess you dont fall into either of those categories.
If he didnt take his hands out he could have lived through that. Just a good lesson why you dont screw around with a cop. Honestly im not trying to defend the cop, but you throwing around the term "murder" shows how ignorant you really are.
Murder is the unjustified taking of a life, which sounds much closer to the circumstances of this case than not. Victim-blaming here is a frequent tactic for someone defending police brutality. 'Anyone with a brain knows not to disobey a cop when he gives you an unjustified order because of racial prejudices.' That's unreasonable. As a free citizen in a free country, you have a right not to be murdered by police. Or subjected to unreasonable searches or orders. Police are granted the power to use force when it is warranted with the expectation they are qualified enough to know when it is warranted. This cop did not. Being a police officer involves known self-sacrifice, in that you are agreeing to put yourself in potentially dangerous situations. That is not an excuse or a justification to be trigger-happy. You still have a duty not to be, and you are still answerable to the public for your actions when you are. If you can't handle that responsibility, DON'T BE A COP. This is true, just cause you disobey a cop doesnt give them right to shoot you dead. People panick or lock up when given orders especially with a gun pointed at them.
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October 04, 2014, 01:26:51 AM |
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Actually anyone with half a brain would know not to start taking off when a cop pulls up directly in front of them. Anyone with an iq above 50 would know you dont stick ypur hands down ypur pants and pull them out quickly when a cop has a gun aimed at ypur chest 5 feet away. I guess you dont fall into either of those categories.
If he didnt take his hands out he could have lived through that. Just a good lesson why you dont screw around with a cop. Honestly im not trying to defend the cop, but you throwing around the term "murder" shows how ignorant you really are.
Murder is the unjustified taking of a life, which sounds much closer to the circumstances of this case than not. Victim-blaming here is a frequent tactic for someone defending police brutality. 'Anyone with a brain knows not to disobey a cop when he gives you an unjustified order because of racial prejudices.' That's unreasonable. As a free citizen in a free country, you have a right not to be murdered by police. Or subjected to unreasonable searches or orders. Police are granted the power to use force when it is warranted with the expectation they are qualified enough to know when it is warranted. This cop did not. Being a police officer involves known self-sacrifice, in that you are agreeing to put yourself in potentially dangerous situations. That is not an excuse or a justification to be trigger-happy. You still have a duty not to be, and you are still answerable to the public for your actions when you are. If you can't handle that responsibility, DON'T BE A COP. A dictionary would benefit you guys: Murder: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought (straight from Merriam-Webster) Like I said, murder is premeditated. Again I'm not defending him, but you cant call it murder becasue that is completely 100% not accurate. To say the cop should have waited a fraction of a second more is to say you think cops should wait to get shot before shooting. I doubt they are trained to do that. When you deal with criminals every day, what do you think he expects when soeone reaches their hands down their pants? Honestly, next time you get pulled over, would you even think about sticking your hands down your pants and pulling them out quickly? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ?? Especially if the cops gun was already drawn? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ? Come on!
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October 04, 2014, 03:13:58 AM |
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Actually anyone with half a brain would know not to start taking off when a cop pulls up directly in front of them. Anyone with an iq above 50 would know you dont stick ypur hands down ypur pants and pull them out quickly when a cop has a gun aimed at ypur chest 5 feet away. I guess you dont fall into either of those categories.
If he didnt take his hands out he could have lived through that. Just a good lesson why you dont screw around with a cop. Honestly im not trying to defend the cop, but you throwing around the term "murder" shows how ignorant you really are.
Murder is the unjustified taking of a life, which sounds much closer to the circumstances of this case than not. Victim-blaming here is a frequent tactic for someone defending police brutality. 'Anyone with a brain knows not to disobey a cop when he gives you an unjustified order because of racial prejudices.' That's unreasonable. As a free citizen in a free country, you have a right not to be murdered by police. Or subjected to unreasonable searches or orders. Police are granted the power to use force when it is warranted with the expectation they are qualified enough to know when it is warranted. This cop did not. Being a police officer involves known self-sacrifice, in that you are agreeing to put yourself in potentially dangerous situations. That is not an excuse or a justification to be trigger-happy. You still have a duty not to be, and you are still answerable to the public for your actions when you are. If you can't handle that responsibility, DON'T BE A COP. A dictionary would benefit you guys: Murder: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought (straight from Merriam-Webster) Like I said, murder is premeditated. Again I'm not defending him, but you cant call it murder becasue that is completely 100% not accurate. To say the cop should have waited a fraction of a second more is to say you think cops should wait to get shot before shooting. I doubt they are trained to do that. When you deal with criminals every day, what do you think he expects when soeone reaches their hands down their pants? Honestly, next time you get pulled over, would you even think about sticking your hands down your pants and pulling them out quickly? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ?? Especially if the cops gun was already drawn? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ? Come on! Probably your problem is the same problem cops have: that you view everyone they deal with as criminals. Cops don't have the qualifications to make that call, that's what the courts are for. Everyone in America is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Maybe you've heard of that before? It was a revolutionary concept because it's supposed to keep the government from arbitrarily enforcing laws and supposed to ensure due process, so that people aren't wrongly executed in the streets like this guy was by this overzealous cop. There are different degrees of murder. Since you're hung up on definitions, why don't you break out a legal dictionary, since that's the definition that matters here. Second Degree Murder: Definition Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as: 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion"; or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second degree murder. Still murder.
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October 04, 2014, 08:06:32 AM |
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Excessive police force is the symptom of the increasing violent community.
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October 04, 2014, 08:16:19 AM |
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Body cams cannot override sociopaths ruling each and every criminal act by LEOs, "justified".
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Saying that you don't trust someone because of their behavior is completely valid.
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October 04, 2014, 08:24:56 AM |
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That did NOT look justified. He did not obey police instructions and I assume the officer thought he was clutching a gun at his waist, but you can't just shoot someone for that.
I have to agree. George Zimmerman was justified in shooting Trayvon Martin. Darren Wilson may have been justified in shooting Michael Brown, but all the facts haven't been made public yet. This looks like murder. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Benjamin Crump, and all their ilk may have finally found the payday that they've been looking for.
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October 04, 2014, 08:45:43 AM |
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That did NOT look justified. He did not obey police instructions and I assume the officer thought he was clutching a gun at his waist, but you can't just shoot someone for that.
I have to agree. George Zimmerman was justified in shooting Trayvon Martin. Darren Wilson may have been justified in shooting Michael Brown, but all the facts haven't been made public yet. This looks like murder. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Benjamin Crump, and all their ilk may have finally found the payday that they've been looking for. Actually, I just googled "Dillon Taylor" and can see that his skin is the wrong color, so those clowns aren't going to care.
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"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford
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