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he left me a negative trust for no reason. it is not a crime to stipulate that a user must leave a positive feedback after a successful trade. i request you leave him a negative feedback for abusing the trust system. I have posted here on and off since july of last year, and it is not fair that he would just leave me a negative feedback. I have done nothing wrong, why should my account wear the badge of dishonor because of this?

Some may argue you were trying to abuse the system by attempting to essentially buy trust. You'll have to work it out with him, but I don't think he did anything wrong here, especially when you were quite open in what you were attempting to do.

i simply stated that i wanted to establish myself as trustworthy, and request to receive positive trust after completion of a trade. how does that warrant a negative trust. this is bullcrap

Can you not see how trying to buy trust to make yourself appear 'trustworthy' makes you the exact opposite?

i'm not trying to make myself appear as anything you fucking retard, i'm trying to prove my trustworthiness by completing a trade!

I think the best way to try a reputable  trust is:  the activity , you should stay more time here in the forum an help the other users , the second thing is do a  lot of deal with a lot of users ;).

i was trying to do a deal until the gamerguy left me a negative trust on my profile. i want the positive trust so i can establish relationships. when i come offering my coding services i want people to see the green trust and know that i am a man of my word.

If you act like a teen you will not be treated like an adult. Hilariousandco is trying to give you a different perspective here and you react with insults. You ask people to missuse the trustsystem because you feel it has been missused. You also try to get green trust so hard one has to wonder if your intentions are honest.
There is no shortcut to trust here, deal with it.

Adults don't sneak around leaving negative trusts on peoples profile, an adult will confront the person directly. your move.

And yet you don't realise the irony in this, so I'm not the 'retard' here. You want to appear trustworthy by buying feedback for $5 a pop via Paypal. How does that make you trustworthy? It makes you the exact opposite because you wanted that green feedback for one thing. You appear trustworthy by building up trust doing trustworthy things, not purposely seeking out reputable hero members to buy yourself feedback for $5.


 ::) Yet again you prove to everyone why this negative you have received is completely valid. You establish the relationships first, that's how you get positive feedback that actually means something. How does this feedback mean anything when you wanted to buy it for $5? You think merely having green trust makes you trustworthy, when you yourself have just proved why it isn't.

Nope, not "my move", just my wasted attempt to give you a different perspective. If this would be chess, you just lost your Queen with these two threads, dont lose your head

byte me

Your sharp words are empty and devoid of logic, or should i say sound logic. its logical but false, so i really have nothing else to say to you. You are simply projecting your own mindset upon me.

http://images.wikia.com/simpsons/images/7/7b/Eat_My_Shorts.jpg

Byte me? How old are you? You're really not doing yourself any favours here and are just justifying why not only the feedback is warranted bit why you shouldn't be trusted. People were trying to give you advice here and tell you where you fucked up but now you're just digging yourself deeper into a hole.


Lol. You just contradicted yourself there, but I get it, you're too stubborn to admit where you fucked up and went on the militant defensive and your attitude is now betraying your age. You really should try look at this from outside the box because you will see that what we're saying is right.

Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

h4xx0r, trading $5 to gain positive trust ?

you deserve that warning message, scammer alert  ;)

No, you faggots are just attacking me at every corner. i'm obviously in a no win situation so fuck you all. i maintain that i did nothing wrong, you are just being faggots and projecting your agenda on to me in order to stroke your own faggot ego.

What agenda do we have exactly?  You are in a no-win situation though because what we are saying is right. What you did wrong was attempt to bolster your rep or trustworthiness by trying to buy trusted feedback. Once you had acquired some green feedback you would've more than likely touted yourself as 'trustworthy' based on this. I get it, you wanted some feedback to give yourself some prestige or credibility, and I'm sure most of us would like lots of trusted feedback, but you went about getting it in completely the wrong way and for the all the wrong reasons. Calling people 'faggots' doesn't do you any favours and you probably could've got rid of the neg feedback or at least proved to us you were genuine and just made a mistake but it's probably too late for that now.

Illuminati confirmed.

To the OP: You just keep digging yourself into a hole. Admit what you did was wrong and maybe people will listen to you and remove the feedback, eh? You effectively wanted to buy trust for $5. The more you insult people here, the more attention this gathers and the more negative feedback you'll accrue.

Ha, I would've considered removing the feedback in the future but I don't appreciate unsolicited PM's from scammers.


I'm straight FYI.

Yep, that's totally the way to ask me to remove it.

You were 'buying' BTC for $5 and said you would wait til the chargeback period was over.  You clearly didn't care too much about the coins, but you really wanted that trust from somebody high ranking.  Rep loans can get you negged here, this really isn't any different

You are managing to appear to be someone who cares only about yourself and who will fight with those who trade with you if they do not do exactly what you want.  How does that make people want to deal with you?

i want to trade with reputable members only so i don't get scammed! i would have removed my stipulation about the trust if someone told me that that wasn't allowed. how the fuck am i to know? i don't read minds.

When I don't want to be scammed (i.e. always) I trade with any member, reputable or not, but use a trustless escrow (e.g. bitescrow.org). Trading with a reputable member means nothing, as reputation doesn't guarantee that I won't be scammed.

how can i do escrow with paypal?

You can't, that's why you shouldn't use it and pretty much everyone gets treated with suspicion when they do because of the chargeback issue. I'd forget about trying to use PayPal all together here.

You can't, it can be charged back for months.

You made it pretty clear you were trying to artificially inflate your trust, it backfired.  gg

You were warned. When one finds himself in a deep hole, the first thing to do is stop digging. I believe this applies here.

I wasn't trying to buy trust . jesus get it through your head

no i didn't you never confronted me or asked me what my intentions were, you acted on your own accord without knowledge. what does "gg" mean. is that some type of insult?

why didn't you tell me that in the first place. fuck

Jesus came back already?  :o


Good game

If you are wanting to build up a reputation (not talking about the reputation system here - I'm talking about a real reputation), then in order to do that you'll need to invest some time to do research!  You'll have to satisfy the wants of other people.  You'll have to find out people's preferences and beliefs and desires.

You've now learned some of those preferences, the hard way.  If that motivates you to expend more effort into researching your customer base, you can probably make that one tiny mistake made by a young experienced guy at the beginning of a very successful career.

A really good reputation goes to someone who researches his customers and learns how to please them.  Arguing with them is the exact opposite of that.

Here's a great article I read recently that might be helpful to you:

http://tucker.liberty.me/2014/09/24/how-to-be-a-great-employee/

The author of the article was once told he was "useless."  Watch his response carefully and see if it benefited him or not.

So you don't want to be trusted at all?  Because who is going to trust an angry guy with a chip on his shoulder who yells at everybody and can't control himself?

Why do you feel entitled to have other people do your research for you?

They are telling you now, and you are yelling at them and getting angry at them.

Do you always treat people badly when they give you helpful information?

Yeah i wanted to be trusted. thats kinda what this whole thing is about. I am angry because i'm under attack for what i perceive to be minor. Now my reputation contains negative feedbacks, i am ruined.

What is the big sin here? i simply stipulated the terms of my agreement. I fail to see why this is such a controversial an issue? People make trades and leave feedback all the time. Why am i not allowed to stipulate that in a deal?

Because you were trading to make your trust go up, not do regular trades and have your trust go up by effect like the system is for.  One means you're legitimate, one means the exact opposite.

I disagree, but i guess that i have no choice but fall in line, with all of you web bullies forcing my hand. What can i do from here? How do i get the negative trusts removed and start over? is it possible to get a second chance

Trust can only be removed by the person who leaves it. Most people in your situation would create a new account although i don't support multi accounting. The trust system is unmoderated so no admin will remove it.

The whole thing is about you not realising the irony and contradiction of wanting to buy feedback to become trusted. Your account isn't ruined, but it's pretty badly tarnished but you could still get rid of those negatives one way or another, but you haven't done yourself any favours and have continued to dig yourself deeper into a hole that you may now never be able to get out of (or at least it's going to be a very big struggle).


You've already admitted several times you wanted the feedback merely for the trust and to appear trustworthy - that is buying trust whether you're willing to admit it or not.

No, you are angry because you don't know how to control yourself in the face of adversity, or learn from your negative experiences.


Oh, don't be such a drama queen.  I gave you a lot of helpful information about how to build a real, good reputation.  You could expend the effort, or you could whine about it.

I was giving you full benefit of the doubt until you started backtracking and saying:
And now here you are saying "Yeah I wanted to be trusted."

One of those two statements is dishonest.    Best of luck, though!  My advice would be to apologize.  To me, this certainly wouldn't be a reason to not trust you indefinitely if you demonstrate trust in other ways. 

Bottom line is that nobody here knows for certain what your intentions are/would be if you were successful in buying positive feedback, but I think there's a good chance you were just trying to be creative in building your trust more quickly.  There are a lot of reasons that someone would want to do this that don't involve scamming others.

I agree!  This can be just a mistake to look back on.

Your previous posts had made it clear that your only intention of conducting this $5 paypal trade was to obtain positive trust from trusted members. Conducting a trade just to gain positive trust is generally seen as "buying trust". Let's say you did not know this was frowned upon, the correct thing would be to politely message the person who let you negative feedback. You did the exact opposite by crying and insulting people in multiple threads.

You should really listen to the people trying to help you. Don't be so adamant and try looking at your behavior from a different perspective.

ok, i'm sorry.

A nice start to see :)

BTW, if you're interested, I'd exchange a litecoin for an equivalent amount of BTC later this evening.

i don't have enough btc for a whole ltc yet. i have only .007 btc

cooldgamer, i submit to you an public apology, and humbly beg you to remove the negative trust. It is true i wanted to get some positive trust quickly, and i suppose that means i tried to buy it,and i did ignore the warnings from KWH about doing so. I would have admitted it but for fear of being crucified and labeled as a scammer. I do not feel like it was that big of a deal, but nonetheless: I apologize and i will not do it again. I am also apologetic for calling you mean names. i have no excuse for doing so. please forgive me and remove the negative trust. i will remove mine from you as well if you will do me that one favor.

 ::)

Why wouldn't you remove your negative trust now, as a show of good faith?  How old are you?

Because i'm not a pushover.

Good first step.  ATM it looks like your trust rating might have improved, too.

Somebody earlier posted a good quote about when you find yourself in a hole the first thing to do is to stop digging.  That is really good advice!  It has served me well in life!

Later on I suggest you reread these entire threads.  You'll find you may not remember everything you said and did.  When you are angry you really are temporarily insane.  You have to ask yourself how well temporary insanity serves you in life when you have problems.  It doesn't!  When you feel that way, pretty much everything you are thinking of doing or saying is going to make your problem worse - so do nothing until you calm down.  There are relaxation therapies you can undertake that will teach you how to stay calm and relax when something upsets you.

Sorry for all my unsolicited advice.  I know it might not be welcome.  But it's served me well in life, and if your goal is to have a trusted reputation in any enterprise, I think this will help.

"BTCTalkAccounts" ring a bell? how about your involvement with Blazr and his scams. remember that?

I strongly encourage reading that article! :)

This one by the same author is also good advice for someone seeking to build a positive reputation:

http://mises.org/daily/4547

Use proven methods to build a high opinion of yourself in the eyes of others, and you won't have to worry about your numeric rating in an online system.

Perhaps what I'd do is remove the negative trust you gave them and PM saying you're sorry and asking them to remove the negative feedback they've given you.

Because he's not a pushover apparently, which of course means that he's too stubborn to do so and wants the feedback removed on his own terms, which obviously isn't going to work out that way.

You must work hard for it !
Convince him !

Start from yourself , remove your negative feedback from someone you left on it
and wait a good response from them  ::)

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Apologize? for doing nothing wrong? yeah, ok

But you just apologised:


Why apologise if you feel you haven't done anything wrong? You did several things wrong whether you want to admit it or not, mainly trying to buy trust then acting like a child about the whole situation, but it doesn't look like you're going to be able to drop this stubbornness so nothing will change here.

I apologized for calling him a name, that does not mean i will be walked over, so gtfo with your bullshit. i don't care. I feel strongly that i did not doing anything wrong in the situation. That hasn't changed. I conceded the point and apologized to cooldgamer and to devthedev, so basically i am acknowledging that you would not allow me to stipulate that positive trust must be received in a trade(you deem this is buying trust, matter of opinion i guess, but whatever. your iq of 150 is clearly superior to mine). I am not admitting that i did anything untrustworthy, because I DID NOT. I am not admitting to buying trust, because THAT WAS NOT THE POINT. Kinda just threw that in there at the last second. I am still mad, true but whatever. You faggots win, so congratulations, here's your prize. My middle finger bitch! sit on it and spin. wait you'd probably like that.

Now back to cooldgamer and devthedev. i apologized to them.One removed feedback, one did not. cooldgamer did not. Now Vod has decided to leave me a trust as a way to pile on the fire and join in the trolling. Vod will remove this trust or his role in helping Blazr cover up his scams will be revealed, that's all there is to it. Should cooldgamer decide to leave the trust rating, so be it.

Oh, and pussy ass fuck boy, there is a difference between being stubborn and standing your ground. I'm not gonna take any shit, so go try that logic on someone dumb enough to accept it.

It baffles me how you still think you didn't do anything wrong. By your own logic of wanting trust to appear trusted clearly there is a contradiction there, but it's become quite clear you are not a rational person nor can you think outside the box, not to mention you are being very immature about all this. So you're now going after vod because you've concocted a conspiracy that he's somehow involved in some other scam in an attempt to vindicate yourself? Well done, you've just joined the ever growing list of butthurt children who have received justified feedback from vod and want to try get their comeuppance. It's not going to work, so I'd just drop the whole thing because you're only going to come out looking worse than you already do, but if that's the path you're wanting to take so be it I guess.

Why don't you wait until Vod shows up before you decide that i've "concocted a conspiracy".

Clearly I'm dealing with someone who isn't smart enough to accept logic. I'm really not sure whether you're just trolling now or are just so blinded by your anger and stubbornness that you won't listen to anything that doesn't suit your agenda or proves you wrong. You're being stubborn because nearly everybody apart from you can see where you fucked up and what you did was wrong. You made a thread in meta detailing exactly what you were going to do: attempt to buy trust from trusted users. Why the hell did you even do that? You're either ridiculously stupid or this was just your plan all along. It's like a scammer announcing how he is going to pull off a con then crying when someone busts him. You're also just getting more pathetic as you go on and it's becoming pitiful now. 'Pussy ass fuck boy'? Seriously, how old are you? Let it go, seriously.


Fair enough, I look forward to it, but hope you've got some decent evidence and not just a whole load of slander based on little to no evidence.

There you go inserting your agenda, which is clearly to get me to admit that i'm wrong somehow, when i'm not. notice you casually try to twist my thread titled "how to get a green trust on my profile" and twisted it into some evil maniacal scheme by me to defraud the trust system. Like i told you, push that logic on someone dumb enough to accept it.

To reiterate: I apologized for not heeding the warning from KWH( and anyothers as well, that should be a given). I felt like his opinion was probably a minority of the general consensus here, and decided to take my chances. I am also apologizing for calling cooldgamer and devthedev names. It was uncalled for i get that, my execuse: i was mad, and quite justifiably so. When you've done nothing wrong and you're the subject of a witch hunt like this and you can take it like a champ, well then you are a better man than me, and i would salute for you that. This is as much as i'm going to concede to you or anyone hilariousandco. i seriously wish you would drop it.

How did I try twist your words? You laid out what you planned a couple of times and in your original thread:


Everyone can see what this is apart from you. Nearly everyone accepts this logic, except you. There is no witchunt only people trying to get you to see how you are wrong on this. You've admitted several times what your intentions were and what you wanted from the trades but you just seem to not want to admit it or call it by what it is and that is you were trying to buy trust. I don't think you had some evil plan, but you wanted to abuse the system to make yourself look better regardless of whether you had honest intentions or not. I'll drop this when you do. You don't even have to admit you were wrong if you don't feel you were, but stop flogging a dead horse because you're still digging your hole so just let it go and move on and there'll be nothing further for me to comment on.

I did nothing wrong and I maintain that. I do not agree that is abusing the system. Taking a short cut and trying to gain a competitive advantage yes, but abuse no. Abuse would be fraudulent trust. If you think about it, all trust on this board is bought, some of it cheaper than others. Do you contest this logic?

Not exactly, if you look at my trust feedback most of it is not from buying or trading anything.

So make your mind up. You didn't attempt to buy feedback but all feedbacks are bought? If you were truly smart you would've just done this without announcing your intentions and got the feedback quickly and with minimal cost to you and everybody would be none the wiser. You saying you tried to get a competitive edge by taking a shortcut but you didn't cheat in any way is like an athlete taking performance enhancing drugs to quickly get the edge whilst maintaining he did nothing wrong (he did, he tried cheating the system just like you did regardless of what excuses you can spit out). And no, not all feedback is bought. Most people just acquire it naturally over time from doing honest trades and other such stuff but you attempted to bypass this, and your revelations here are quite revealing of your true mindset.

Yeah, I woudn't trust someone who insults other people, no matter how many trades went OK.
Maybe you just confuse the word "trust" with "that green indicator on the left on bitcointalk forum"?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=55122 is how you get a high trust. Not by trading $5 PP -> BTC back and forth with the sole objective of gaining Trust. Just admit your mistake and maybe your negative trust will be removed. You're getting fucking annoying now and it just decreases your chances of the negative trust being removed.

I already did admit it was a mistake(only in the court of public opinion, morally there is no problem, but i see that paypal trades are sketchy anyway, so overall it was a mistake). I still must inform you, I don't feel like it was the big deal its being made out to be(because it isn't, you've probably just all synchronized your menstrual cycles. it happens when a bunch of bitches cohabit the same space, even on forums apparently). The sole objective wasn't just to gain trust. a killing two birds with one stone kind of thing. Gain some trust , get some bitcoin to deposit at cryptsy, none of which really matters. its my own damn business.

The annoying truth here is that you all overreacted to something very minor, and now you are putting the full court press on me to admit and walk away, and i won't do it. A simple "hey that's against the rules! cease and decist immediately!" would have sufficed, but no we needed the back biting, preconceived notion about me and my intentions, modus operandi injectus ( i made that up)  and confrontation. OTR, the pompous assery is what makes bitcoin a sideshow oddity unappealing to the masses. look how people are treated as a newbie here, whether the individual is good or bad at heart. Go ahead and give me a negative feedback if you feel that strongly that i'm a bad person and have broken the sacred laws of bitcoin talk forum. At the end of the day, you will still be full of shit, and even more so high on your own farts. I may lose the ability of selling my services for bitcoin, but with the treatment received here, good riddance. I am doing just fine in the fiat world, and i will gladly return to it and continue to do my business solely in fiat. Maybe you should learn to solve problems without jumping to conclusions and we'd all be better off.

That pisses me off. ANY forum with a trust system where you tried to do that would result in you being instantly slapped down. Buying trust is buying trust on ANY forum with a trust system. Don't whine about the truth.

Umm, ok? if you have a point make it. Seems like you're the one whining about the truth. I never tried to buy trust. i said i thought about it, then i stipulated in my post requesting a trade that we would exchange feedback. that is not the saming thing as "buying trust", you all are trying to find deeper meaning in something as shallow Mozart's grave.

You were obviously trying to farm trust from those trades, no matter how many times you try to say you weren't.  You tried to game the system, now you are marked as so.  You can still get plenty of trades here by using escrow.

those trades? it was a singular, one time trade, i'm not here to trade cock sucker. you already knew that, and if you didn't well, you're the one calling me out atleast get it right. i was here to get some bitcoin through the trade, and get a positive trust rating. then i planned to offer my services, using the trust rating to help me attract potential clients. here to try and tap the bitcoin economy for extra work. that way if fiat collapses, i already will have inroads here.

Okay, that one trade (although I suspect you would have done the same again or taken up multiple members)  You wanted to make a trade for the point of gaining trust, not unlike a rep loan, both of which are scammy behavior.  You said in your other thread that you would make trades with Hero MemberS in an attempt to get green trust, which obviously takes more than one.

I'm done here, the rating stays.

      You weren't going to remove it either way. I had already apologized to you and you ignored that post, so it goes without saying that that apology is now rescinded.

      Continuing,  you cannot possibly know i would have done another trade again. That reminds me of that movie with Tom Cruise where they charged people with crimes they would commit in the future, but i will digress and defer on that matter, to the more pressing issue:

If this is scammy behaviour, why are Signature Campaign reps not considered scammy?

       Ive saw plenty of rep loans btw, look at default trust. half the members on the list have questionable feedback. Look at TF, Blazr, and Vod. Far from model citizens. Remember their account farming operation? how about when Blazr got caught and paid his way out of it? enlisting Vod and others to leave negative feedback on the posters who busted them out? there was never any recourse for either of them on the matter.

No punishment for the protected, tsk tsk. Reminds me of corporate america.

To me, it seems we have a system here designed to protect the interest of a select few, and leave the common user on the outside looking in. We need a clearer guidelines and more accountability for all, not just the select few. there needs to be a counterbalance. like the ability for an admin to leave a note on trust ratings.

Sig campaigns are people providing a legitimate service (advertising) in exchange for BTC.  Once the transaction is done people may leave trust.  Stunna did not make trusting him a requirement to be part of the sig campaign.

I looked before i leapt with that post. Hence my admission of a mistake. I am not talking about stunna. he is a respected user and is no doubt on the up and up.

Now that you can buy and sell accounts with no recourse, the trust system is completely meaningless.

Think about it.

h4xx0r : "I want to trade $5 Paypal for Bitcoin, so I can buy trust. Or maybe not, I just want to buy McDonalds using Bitcoin !!"  :o

Exchanger A : "Ok, let me check your profile..."


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h4xx0r
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
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you deserve that warning message,
h4xx0r -- Scammer Alert!

there was no negative trust prior to this incident.

What is this "we" business?  If you don't like the way bitcointalk works, nobody is making you use it.  Why not use a different forum, or start your own?

Bitcointalk is not your government or your country.  It is not imposed on you.  If it is not doing what you like, maybe it is doing what lots of other people like and you should look for somewhere else to get what you want.

I'm letting it go as per your earlier advice. You should too.

Vod,

Thanks for removing the negative feedback. i removed my negative feedback against you as well. I apologize for the entire incident, i should learn to pick battles more carefully. I will no more troll you on forum. see ya around

This thread is an example of when the negative feedback was warranted. The OP in this case was trying to buy trust, something that is untrustworthy

Since you decided to necropost, how's this for untrustworthy?

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