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All I hear on here is how awesome Qora is and how it's the best crypto and now will be first coin to get Turing complete which is a major advance in crypto etc blah blah blah..
So I think about investing in it and dropping a few BTC assuming it's already exploded in price and has massive vol but it trades like a shit coin, it's below mona coin in marketcap!

So is the Qora hype just hype or should I invest? I'm tired of coins that promise and don't deliver, is this one of those?

Qora promised Voting System and it was delivered.
Qora promised Arbitrary Transactions and it was delivered.
Qora promised wallet upgrades and it was delivered.
Qora promised Asset Exchange and it was delivered.
Now Turing Complete and new GUI is promised, so I would expect delivery :)

Why the volume is low? I don't know.

Really? That's funny, I never hear anybody say any of that stuff about Qora. I would go with "just hype" if I was you. Coins are meaningless if you can't get people to use them. We're already having a hard enough time getting people to use BTC.

Bitcoin is only 500K-2M users.  Not sure how we get more people to use Bitcoin as clearly something is not clicking with mainstreet.  Bitcoin has been in the financial section of many newspapers and I see it on television a bit and yet the userbase expansion just isn't happening.

It's so far off to even compare BTC at the moment to something like Yahoo (which had more users in 1995) or Myspace which had 100 million accounts by 2006 (3 years after its' inception).

Until I see code I think Qora is a reskinned NXT (aka Qora is a $hitcoin and has a $hitcoin capitalization as a result). Qora also just doesn't have the community.  Look at Doge - almost no innovation and yet its worth more than most coins due to the community.

This looks suspicious. All these features were in Nxt source code (even Voting System which simply lacked client support in NRS and hence wasn't considered as "released") and Qora didn't offer any unique feature. It looks like Qora is really Nxt but with its own client part. We could solve this riddle easily in such the manner:

1. Someone sends me complete source code of Qora.
2. I check if it can be a modified Nxt.
3. I don't share the source code and delete it after the analysis without any copies kept.

Do you want to stop the FUD about Qora being a clone of Nxt?

exact community is 90% of the value of the currency
 see BTC there are already other best coins but still BTC will reign for a long time

It will be great, if you can inspect the code. It will finish the endless speculation. I am contacting Qora about your offer.
Btw. Qora had naming service with an exchange on launch and AE offers asset/asset trading. Nxt did not have this features that time.

AT Devs should have a peak at the code so they could verify.

Also Qora dev has indicated he will open source soon enough either way so need to assume...

this is the reason ? ;D
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579858.0

An all clear from CfB would be a PR gamechanger far more than any AT developer.

I have trust in qora and believe that it is not a clone. I also believe that its volume and marketcap should be among the top 3 coins and it will get there in time.

That is for a lot of reasons, eg check my post here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.msg9207780#msg9207780

But I'd also like all rumors saying it is a NXT clone are to put an end. That will come in time, after the wallet GUI embellishment and new website is done (from what the dev said in the main qora chatroom). There is no rush.

Community can vote again for going OS, or just a quick review from CfB. I would vote yes for you CfB..
Maybe the community can vote for giving the 1st version of qora's code for a check to CfB. Now or sometime in the future.

Naming service aka Alias System? Asset/asset trading is not difficult to add if you have asset/NXT one. Nxt didn't do it because this would lower price of 1 NXT significantly.

No. It would be great if you stopped trolling, your claims are based on pure speculation and doesn't make you look good.

The best person to look at the code is CfB, but if CIYAM is going to look at the code I think he could tell for sure too. Regardless, somebody familiar with both systems that is reputable needs to look it over. Both CIYAM and CfB can be trusted to look at the code and not leak it.

No.

Just suspended your disbelief for one second and answer this theoretical question.


Just say Qora WAS BCNext. Wouldn't his next project have hallmarks of NXT?

*Qora has never denied being BCNext but he has said he knows almost nothing about NXT, my point is rumors of this have been community created.


This shit needs to be sorted out once and for all.

He would have some bias, plus who knows NXT code better than CfB?



Thing is CfB has kind of laid down a gauntlet here. He has questioned Qora as a scam and also given us a way to prove it isn't.

Are we chicken?

Hey guys,

I will gain access to a private qora repository this week, and i can easily verify if it is or not nxt based. From the talks we had with qora about the intergration of the AT , i got the feeling that has some basic fundamendal at least difference from nxt. Now if some parts or ideas were borrowed from the nxt platform, i dont see why that is a problem.

I see no problem with Qora being a clone of Nxt if this is stated honestly. Nxt and any other coin are just clones of Bitcoin. But trolls like TaunSew ruin reputation of Qora more than it deserves. I offer a solution that could get rid of taunsews.

Why is it when I look for images and videos of Qora on Google, it redirects me to Doge?  Even the search engine knows it's a $hitcoin.   :o  Google artificial intelligence is smart enough to advise people to go for a better coin.   :P

I've been waiting for independent code before I even consider buying something like Qora.

If Qora is BCNext then indeed it will look like Nxt. But if the code is brand-new then we will get an answer on the question if Qora is a clone.

Already replied upthread.

This is good. Let's wait for your verdict and if you are sure in it then no need to give the source code to me.

As a next supporter we want to see a complete distance from NXT.

WHY?

Because Qora has stated from the start that it was developed with no other coin as the base and he has stated he knows nothing of how NXT works.

It's an integrity issue at this point. We want validation.

Already replied on Twitter. Let me know if you change your mind and stop playing taunsew.

As a Qora supporter Smaraga, go away. If I did t know any better I would say your heart is to destroy Qora not help it.

Nothing to hide nothing to lose.  Qora is a dying $hitcoin and CfB gave you a good offer to help redeem Qora.  I assume that was an offer to do it for FREE - you do realize people otherwise charge money for this service?

This is very good !! This way the rumors will stop.

@CfB: Thank you for volunteering to check the source, even though it is not needed now that vbcs will review it.

@TaunSew: I'm thinking of adding you in my ignore-list. Which is small..so please stop and behave well

I think you are a good guy and helpful but wouldn't CfB make more waves than AT developers?

Let's give it to him.

Yes, exactly this. TaunSew is a special troll as you can see here, for example, - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=816312.msg9133502#msg9133502. He backstabbed a great community and this will haunt him till the end of his days in cryptos. I can assure you.

PS: C'mon Smaragda. 5 min left and no reply from you. If I returned to BitcoinTalk then I expect to get some fun by doing my favorite hobby - trolling trolls. At least post your "WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LIST".  :D

I was too busy, now I have free time.

Do you like tango? Let's create a separate thread. Your turn.

dude, what's wrong with you?  :o :(

He's a fucking idiot, always has been.


On behalf of Qora community we apologise for this jackass.

I don't think the source code should send to you review.
The reason is obviously, you are from a community who hostile to qora.

This thread came to its logical conclusion and we can occupy it for off-topic I think.

So...

Let's recall one of your posts - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654463.msg9052126#msg9052126
Here it's obvious that you don't see real motives behind my behavior. I'd like to hear your assumption why I tried to help to fix crypti's algorithm. Your opinion regarding my involvement into Qora thread is clear.

Really this discussion has been going back what 6 months?  If you want the critics to be powerless then prove you have independent code

BitcoinTalk is hostile to ANY altcoin, why are you here? Do you own bitcoins? If yes, then you should be kicked off Qora community.

You still have 2 tricks up your sleeves:

1. Post "Thank you for your competent opinion".
2. Post "WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LIST".

Pick one right now.

NXT guys always makes people sick, your guys attack everycoin which may threaten NXT.
The rumor from NXT at the beginning.
There is no reason to just send the code to a NXT guys.
I support to open the source code, but I oppose that the source code just send to you.

You should use something else. Strong language has never let to win a dispute.

Btw, WHAT should I stop?

You are supposed to post few links that prove your words. You don't want others to put you into the list of people who spread baseless accusations, do you?

Good, let's continue.

Care to answer my question?

Yeah stop trying to prove Qora is innocent and not a $hitcoin.. wait.. what...   ???
CfB boss man looks like our suspicions are correct, Qora is a $hitcoin and not even a good one at that.   :'(   :'(

5 months these Qora people are delaying over the code... 5 months...   they could had even compiled fake code with all that time, good enough to fool old man Garzik into thinking the hashes match.

If Qora is a clone then only bad thing is that its creator didn't say all the truth. You should know that the community of a coin has little common with the coin creator. You, UtopianFuture, know this much better than anyone else.

And this is your main problem. Being a troll you think that others are trolls too. An idea that someone may help other cryptos simply for the sake of helping cryptocurrency concept in general can't even come to your mind. Do you see this?

I bet your IQ is much higher than others may think looking at constant usage of one word. Make another post but without "HORSESHIT" this time, please.

See, it's quite easy to troll at more intellectual level.

Now let's talk about QoraAT. Do you know that in its beginning AT idea was developed by CIYAM and me? We were talking a lot via Skype. During one of these talks an idea of Atomic Cross-Chain Exchange was born. This idea is not mine, it's CIYAM's too, I consider it as 50/50. Here is my post that proves that I knew how to do atomic cross-exchanges several months ago - https://nxtforum.org/smart-contracts/express-your-wish-(smart-contracts)/msg64511/#msg64511.

Would you still post this tweet - https://twitter.com/CryptoScalper/status/522103357012709377 - if you knew all this?

I saw CIYAM's thread about AT later. It was a coincidence, what did you expect me to reply?

The idea explained here - https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/not-a-holy-grail-of-cryptocurrencies-but-still-a-very-usable-artifact/ - came to my mind while I was thinking how to protect Counterparty against Luke-Jr and other guys who would like to censor Bitcoin transactions.

Don't you see a clear pattern here:

1. I try to help Crypti and post an idea how to improve their algo - you troll me.
2. I try to help Counterpart and improve the idea of CIYAM and me - you troll me.
3. I try to help Qora - you troll me.

You are not a hardcore troll like UtopianFuture/TaunSew. You should think about this pattern and change something in your life. Do you agree?

No matter how many links with dates and times you post, you won't convince him. He threw his teddies out of the pram on this before as no one would acknowledge he was the 'saviour of Nxt' RE: NxtAT and wouldn't stop trolling until Damelon deleted all traces in the Nxt thread. I posted links 3 times showing the plan had always been the same as events that passed... NxtAT to get its own testnet and that happened at the weekend.


But soon you will be part of the Nxt 'circle jerk' so welcome!  ;D


I used to follow the Qora thread but if you asked the wrong questions (like 'how do you know it is new code?' rather than 'who is Qora's favourite member of One Direction and why?') then Smaragda and a couple of others chased you out for 'trolling'. I am probably not the only one who doesn't bother going over there anymore.

He behaved like a man once. He will do it again, I'm sure. For now I'm leaving this thread.

So we agree that vbecas and btc2nxt are the 'saviours of NxtAT' (aka the NxtAT devs) and put NxtAt on testnet as had been planned in June when CIYAM was still part of NxtAT. CfB referred to this as 'Nxtthereum'  :D




PHEW! I thought you might flip out and act like an hysterical child. Thank god that didn't happen.


I think your issue is that you believe CIYAM was snubbed (and maybe CIYAM does too) and that has led to this behaviour toward CfB. NxtAT /= CIYAM, the project is open source with two other devs. I was sad to lose CIYAM in Nxt but I don't think he sees himself as aligned to any crypto. From some discussions with him, he seemed to believe he had something that would be the next step after blockchain tech.


CIYAM is very talented and is promoting AT well, Gavin A even checked in. QoraAT will be good. But AT implementation of Atomic Cross Chain Transactions requires NxtAT, DogeAT, LtcAT, BTCD AT etc etc... for it to be really useful and each one need the others. CIYAM doesn't need an 'attack dog' to protect him so let's just tone it down. AT will raise all ships.

CIYAM left an open source project that has two other developers and a plan to implement on testnet.

Plan is carried out and NxtAT launches on testnet.



As I said before, this storm is only in your head. We have been over this, I am out of here too.

Guys, so long as Qora decides to keep the source sealed, we must accept that all arguments about originality are opinion-based, regardless of the coins you support.  If you cannot accept that the originating-state of the source (i.e copied, or not) is completely unknown, then this is going to be a tough coin to evaluate.

CfB, I appreciate your willingness to validate the source.  IMHO, this is good news, just of no immediate benefit.  I've said it before, I'll say it again.  I own a lot of Qora and I own a lot of Nxt.  I also don't care if Qora cloned an early copy of Nxt.  And so what if it was?  The dev is trying to branch out on an "original" front and if he does release this source, I've been intrigued with the nature of his silent work long enough that I'm becoming motivated to support it as a core dev "just because".

In other words, Nxt clone or not, this coin has potential to improve and be worth far more than it is now.  For now, attacking Nxt (for any reason) is like a cub attacking a dominate lion.  Pretty dumb today... but some cubs do grow up to be stronger than their father's.

Supporting Qora is an exercise in faith and patience.  Your faith is a factor of the size of your stake in the coin.

My personal hope is that bugs will be worked out, features will continue and once a little "shiny" is added to the application, we can push it by building out supported tools that can exist on their own, within the realm of cryptocurrency.

As I part, keep in mind there is over $42,000,000,000,000 worth of wealth in this world (source, ahem, XKCD) and all of crypto accounts for less than 1% of 1%.  There is room for everyone to innovate and capture the remaining 99.99%. Both Qora and Nxt.  If we both want this crypto-movement to mean anything we need to stop attacking one another (even if they started it) and start making useful tools that people outside of crypto will look at and go "Aha! I get it! Let me get into this crypto thing!"

While I like your attitude and appreciate your input I disagree on a few points that are important issues.

The fact is Qora has said he had almost no prior knowledge of NXT and has built Qora based on no coin and if he was looking to improve on any coin then it would be Bitcoin which has stated was the purpose and goal of Qora.

So this idea that is somehow ok that he did in fact rip off parts of NXT matter a damn lot and is half the reason people not in the QOra camp have been able to undermine Qora with slights about it just being a reworked NXT.

Imagine if you had built something from scratch and then some other coin says oh you just copied half of ours WHEN YOU DIDNT!!! I would be annoyed to say the least. Honestly Qora must be a saint not to of gone all out on defending Qora as not NXT based I mean he knows the source code was going to come out so he must know his integrity is in question if the code has like 40% NXT code. So I'm thinking the best that he indeed has the patience of a siant and hasnt said a word against all these accusations. he has stated that it has no other coin was used to make Qora but apart from that he has been silent.

To me its simple its a question of Qora's integrity and indeed Qora's worth. If Qora is indeed a brand new source with NOTHING ot do with NXT then it should actually be valued on a similar level as NXT, who came first is of no importance if its entirely a different project.

So when people slip that little clause in 'oh it dosen't matter if Qora was developed from NXT' then you are basically saying its ok Qora is a damn liar and also that you have almost no faith in him telling the truth and probably he is lying. Its not just about questioning his integrity its also about questioning what you care about (not you personally, the concept).


Qora has been held back from the start over this NXT connection that I believe is invalid and a way for Qora to undermined as the innovative work it is. This whole oh its got similar functions so it must not be new cause NXT already did it! And therefore its similarity in function (functions that everyone has been calling for for years I might add) is as poor an argument as you can get. This of course is not an attack on NXT its an attack on the idea that they have any more connection than NXT has to Bitcoin or Ripple.

Well.... this is great news. 

There is a lot of people on both sides really vested in their position.  Somebodies going to get their heart broken, but its gotta be done.  And I am guessing there will be a lot of "told you so" going on.  Hahahaha

Lets hope vbcs really gets a good look and makes the announcement.  I think the sooner the better so this can all be put to rest.

Shit just got real, ball is in your court now Qora.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.msg9294813#msg9294813

BOOM   8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Nearly 10BTC worth bought on bter in an instant  :)

we are going up!  8)

Not if Renat0 is tolerated and his price manipulation.


You've been fooled by him, he wins. Expect I think he thinks the price will shoot up the moment he wants to sell but at this rate the price will stay in this range he has artificially made. Screw him and screw the idiots at Qora.

I have made a research on that based on your words of how the idea has been born and AT seems that it has adopted ideas who were published already.
Turing completeness in crypto currencies has been firstly exposed by Vitalik, right? (https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/White-Paper)
Atomic cross trades was firstly been published by Sergio_Demian_Lerner. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91843.0)

AT seems based as I said on those ideas which is pretty healthy and discussions around them is what can bring it to life.
But my research has been made to see the development progress of AT, not only about the idea.Have you developed AT or contributed in the development further than those brainstorms?
Because as I said discussions around it can have a proper workaround on this and afterwards the development is taking place according to the proper work flow that it has been established based on those discussions (and it's actually shaping forms during time).
It is really different to say idea was born and developed and different to have a final product based on the prior ideas around it and that's why I am asking you if you have been involved furthermore than the brainstorms around it.

What has motivated me to make this research?
I think that it is not healthy to say that if you have not contributed in the development of AT and it is not healthy to not being a part of it if you have contributed to the development of it.Brainstorming around ideas is something usual and every one can grab ideas to implement them into his own projects.

I only brainstormed this idea with Ian. Ah, I also initiated all this by contacting kLee who approached Ian. The idea is very obvious and naturally follows from SPV description of Satoshi's whitepaper. Here - https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/not-a-holy-grail-of-cryptocurrencies-but-still-a-very-usable-artifact/ - I extended the idea for a case of two currencies bound via a third one and (what a surprise!) few days later Adam Back et al. publish their Sidechains whitepaper that explains the same method. If we want to choose the original inventor of atomic cross-exchanges then it's Satoshi without any doubt.

In the year 2045 CfB, Satoshi, and Back are jointly award a Noble prize for their work in cross chain exchanges.  Only Back shows up.  hehehe

To do the research, the early NXT thread is the best place, for example:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5103208#msg5103208


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=search2;params=YWR2YW5jZWR8J3wwfCJ8dG9waWN8J3wzNDU2MTl8InxzaG93X2NvbXBsZXRlfCd8MXwifGJyZHwnfDE1OXwifHN1YmplY3Rfb25seXwnfHwifHNvcnR8J3xyZWxldmFuY2V8Inxzb3J0X2RpcnwnfGRlc2N8InxzZWFyY2h8J3x0dXJpbmc=;start=150

Social Network for the first time worldwide using blockchain technology is now a reality thanks to QORA.
Also profile making, blog post, web hosting. All free, anonymous and user-friendly!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1015379.msg11976426#msg11976426

Decentralized search engine for the QORA web: http://qora.co.in:9090/index/main.html
Main public Qora board: http://qora.co.in:9090/index/blog.html
Private blogs: http://qora.co.in:9090/index/blogdirectory.html , eg. http://qora.co.in:9090/index/blog.html?blogname=cyborg


To all QORA owners: don't forget to vote regarding the BitShares integration: http://qora.co.in:9090/index/blockexplorer.html?poll=integrate%20qora%20to%20bitshares

There are many innovations with the new qora release, please check the main thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1015379.0 or join slack for full-action.

Qora is totally under valued. People will know this if they really spend a few time to learn about it.
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The only issue is how to make them spend some time to learn. ;)
This issue is not only related to QORA but to all other 2.0 coins.

I'm pretty sad right now that I had 15% of my Qora in a sell at 10, before the price jump.  We could be looking at HUGE percentage increases in the near future, if the decentralized blogging/web/social network features catch on. 

Right now almost nobody has any Qora, price could go crazy.